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Title: Beyond The Pagoda 28mm Warfare in S.E Asia Burmese, Laos, Siamese, Vietnam 1820
Post by: Shipka on August 20, 2017, 12:43:53 PM: Yes guys, another start on an esoteric project, the initial figures to be sculpted with be Burmese ,the figures will cover a wide period the initial
figures will be suited to the 16th-early -19thC (First Anglo Burmese War), these will be followed by Laotians and Siamese

Ref Material

The Defeat of Ava: The First Anglo-Burmese War 1824-26

Our War With The Burmese 1539-1767

Beyond the Dragon Pagoda: A Personal Narrative of the First Anglo-Burmese War

Paths To Conflagration Warfare in Laos, Thailand and Vietnam 1778-1828

This is going to be a joint commission with another eccentric gamer, if anyone else wants to get in on the action then please message me!
Title: Re: Looking to get some Burmese and Siamese 28mm Sculpted!
Post by: FierceKitty on August 20, 2017, 02:51:43 PM: I could be tempted if it were 10mm....
Title: Re: Looking to get some Burmese and Siamese 28mm Sculpted!
Post by: clibinarium on August 20, 2017, 03:57:50 PM: Have you got a particular sculptor in mind?
Title: Re: Looking to get some Burmese and Siamese 28mm Sculpted!
Post by: Shipka on August 20, 2017, 08:44:41 PM: I always use Steve Barber
Title: Re: Looking to get some Burmese and Siamese 28mm Sculpted!
Post by: Helen on August 20, 2017, 11:12:40 PM: Best wishes Geoff on this endeavour.
Title: Re: Looking to get some Burmese and Siamese 28mm Sculpted!
Post by: olyreed on August 21, 2017, 09:00:06 AM: Count me interested
Title: Re: Looking to get some Burmese and Siamese 28mm Sculpted!
Post by: clibinarium on August 21, 2017, 10:58:24 AM: Quote from: Shipka on August 20, 2017, 08:44:41 PM
I always use Steve Barber

Ah yes- you did the 1848 stuff together?
Title: Re: Looking to get some Burmese and Siamese 28mm Sculpted!
Post by: Shipka on August 22, 2017, 02:31:48 PM: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fecfjxUVzzM

Sino Burmese War
Title: Re: Looking to get some Burmese and Siamese 28mm Sculpted!
Post by: Shipka on August 23, 2017, 12:03:07 PM: What rule systems would people consider for the South East Asian battles
Title: Re: Looking to get some Burmese and Siamese 28mm Sculpted!
Post by: Sir Barnaby Hammond-Rye on August 23, 2017, 09:23:18 PM: What period is the Pontoonier stuff? That is coming back on line soon...
Title: Re: Looking to get some Burmese and Siamese 28mm Sculpted!
Post by: Shipka on August 23, 2017, 10:13:37 PM: The Pontoonier minis designed for The Third Anglo Burmese War, not suitable for earlier campaigns unless they expand range and irregulars Re produced
Title: Re: Looking to get some Burmese and Siamese 28mm Sculpted!
Post by: Shipka on September 10, 2017, 07:39:35 AM: Well 1 Burmese tribal spearmen, 1 Royal Guard with musket and bayonet, 1 levy Spearman,1 regular match!ockman and a levy Musket man have been commissioned as a start
Title: Re: Looking to get some Burmese and Siamese 28mm Sculpted!
Post by: Sir Barnaby Hammond-Rye on September 10, 2017, 01:16:30 PM: Sounds good! :)

Will there be camp followers to portray a unit on the march? Per the illo in the Foundry book?

Some nations had a sort of "highland" guard IIRC? Don't recall the details...
Title: Re: Looking to get some Burmese and Siamese 28mm Sculpted!
Post by: Sir Barnaby Hammond-Rye on September 10, 2017, 01:19:42 PM: Quote from: Shipka on August 23, 2017, 12:03:07 PM
What rule systems would people consider for the South East Asian battles

Warhammer Colonial is a very versatile set that served us well locally for a good many years. Price was good at $0. :D

In the USA, no doubt The Sword and the Flame will be used.
Title: Re: Looking to get some Burmese and Siamese 28mm Sculpted!
Post by: Shipka on October 10, 2017, 08:50:17 AM: The first green in the Beyond The Pagoda range representing a Northern Tribesman
Title: Re: Looking to get some Burmese and Siamese 28mm Sculpted!
Post by: carlos marighela on October 10, 2017, 09:02:14 AM: Now this really grabs my attention, I have a long standing interest in the First Anglo-Burmese War. Good luck with the range!
Title: Re: Looking to get some Burmese and Siamese 28mm Sculpted!
Post by: Shipka on October 10, 2017, 11:03:17 AM: There is a second fig being sculpted as we speak, there is a list of the proposed figs on the FB 19thC War Games and Warfare group. This list will have some tweaks.!
Title: Re: Looking to get some Burmese and Siamese 28mm Sculpted!
Post by: Shipka on October 23, 2017, 11:37:02 AM: The next green is that of a Burmese regular levy with European musket
Title: Re: Looking to get some Burmese and Siamese 28mm Sculpted!
Post by: Shipka on November 10, 2017, 09:11:08 PM: The latest greens, excellently executed by Steve Barber
Title: Re: Looking to get some Burmese and Siamese 28mm Sculpted!
Post by: Helen on November 10, 2017, 09:44:07 PM: Nicely done by Steve. Lovely work Geoff once more on an esoteric period that captures the imagination for gaming/collecting.

Cheers,

Helen
Title: Re: Looking to get some Burmese and Siamese 28mm Sculpted!
Post by: Shipka on December 17, 2017, 12:05:42 PM: The latest green is that of a Laos Spearman used by Burmese as mercenaries although could be used as a Siamese Marine, he wears traditional cloth helmet with gilt spike and decoration to cloth edges.
Title: Re: Looking to get some Burmese and Siamese 28mm Sculpted!
Post by: ichwillauch on December 17, 2017, 05:11:35 PM: They are looking fantastic.
Title: Re: Beyond The Pagoda 28mm range Warfare in S.E Asia Burmese, Laos, Siamese, Khmer
Post by: chicklewis on December 19, 2017, 05:53:00 PM: I am very interested in obtaining a few units of these figures. I could help out with the costs of sculpting.

If that is still a viable option, please contact me at chicklewis(AT)aol.com

I have painted a unit of 40+ of the Pontoonier figures, and would love to expand the army.

Thanks in either case.

Chick Lewis
Title: Re: Beyond The Pagoda 28mm range Warfare in S.E Asia Burmese, Laos, Siamese, Khmer
Post by: HerbyF on December 20, 2017, 07:34:11 AM: Some of these greens would cross over for use as Dyaks and/or Moros with little or no mods.
Title: Re: Beyond The Pagoda 28mm range Warfare in S.E Asia Burmese, Laos, Siamese, Khmer
Post by: Shipka on December 21, 2017, 09:19:37 AM: Currently working on briefs for the Lao infantry, then will be The Siamese, after which command for all
Title: Re: Beyond The Pagoda 28mm range Warfare in S.E Asia Burmese, Laos, Siamese, Khmer
Post by: Sir Barnaby Hammond-Rye on December 28, 2017, 05:16:10 PM: The latest figures have been great! :-)
Title: Re: Beyond The Pagoda 28mm range Warfare in S.E Asia Burmese, Laos, Siamese, Khmer
Post by: Shipka on December 31, 2017, 12:14:08 PM: Briefs have been written for a Laos levy Spearman, no sword in cloth cap and a Southern Laotian levy musketeer, bare headed armed with Vietnamese musket.. Information is based on 19thC temple wall Paintings along with descriptions from obscure Laos and Siamese texts...the briefs are an amalgam and accordingly the troops will be generic....if anyone has any detailed info I would welcome it, the info contained in the Ian Heath book is predominantly based on illustrations and photos from the latter part of 19thC., pre 1850 info is scarce and open to interpretation!.
Title: Re: Beyond The Pagoda 28mm range Warfare in S.E Asia Burmese, Laos, Siamese, Khmer
Post by: Shipka on January 22, 2018, 01:59:26 PM: The latest green in The Beyond The Pagoda range is a Laotian /Siamese Levy Spearman , the ref material was based on a display at Surin, Thailand along with various Lao 19thC temple paintings...
Title: Re: Beyond The Pagoda 28mm range Warfare in S.E Asia Burmese, Laos, Siamese, Khmer
Post by: ichwillauch on January 23, 2018, 02:17:35 PM: Looking forward for this range!
Title: Re: Beyond The Pagoda 28mm range Warfare in S.E Asia Burmese, Laos, Siamese, Khmer
Post by: Shipka on February 08, 2018, 04:05:12 PM: The latest green is a Laotian/Village musketeers armed with a Vietnamese matchlocks musket
Title: Re: Beyond The Pagoda 28mm range Warfare in S.E Asia Burmese, Laos, Siamese, Khmer
Post by: HerbyF on February 08, 2018, 11:07:07 PM: Just wondering how these guys will look along side Gringo40s Vietnamese that he is working on.
Title: Re: Beyond The Pagoda 28mm range Warfare in S.E Asia Burmese, Laos, Siamese, Khmer
Post by: Shipka on February 09, 2018, 12:48:00 AM: I have been advised by Ged of Gringos40 that the Vietnamese fit in with their Opium Wars range, I have some of the Mandarins and these are in my opinion compatible with Steve Barbers figures hope that helps?

I am awaiting the Vietnamese Royal Guard to be made so I can use them as allies for my Laotian army.
Title: Re: Beyond The Pagoda 28mm range Warfare in S.E Asia Burmese, Laos, Siamese, Khmer
Post by: gringo on February 10, 2018, 09:31:08 AM: indeed chaps.............all well underway :D

cheers
Ged
www.gringo40s.com
Title: Re: Beyond The Pagoda 28mm range Warfare in S.E Asia Burmese, Laos, Siamese, Khmer
Post by: Shipka on March 06, 2018, 12:36:51 PM: Hi all, just to advise Steve Barber has advised me that all except the Lao musketeer should be available as castings by the end of March

Further additions to the range have been commissioned and are currently being worked on
Title: Re: Beyond The Pagoda 28mm range Warfare in S.E Asia Burmese, Laos, Siamese, Khmer
Post by: Shipka on March 13, 2018, 08:00:41 AM: HerbyF, if the Tonkin range is similar to their Opium Wars figures then they will be compatible!
Title: Re: Beyond The Pagoda 28mm range Warfare in S.E Asia Burmese, Laos, Siamese, Khmer
Post by: Shipka on March 23, 2018, 10:29:58 AM: Steve Barber Models hopes to be in a position to release the first phase of The Beyond The Pagoda range by the end of the month, I have outlined below a list of the existing sculpts showing those indicated by TBA as those either waiting for molds, in process of being sculpted or those being commissioned during April, all others will or should be available.

1) Burmese Royal Guard Advancing with Musket

2) Burmese Regular Levy Standing with Musket

3) Burmese Levy Advancing with Spear

4) Burmese Levy Advancing with Sword. TBA

5) Laotian in Cloth Helmet Advancing with Spear

6) Laotian/Siamese Levy Advancing with Spear

7) Laotian Musketeer Firing. TBA

8) Northern Tribesman with Spear

9) Siamese Regular Advancing with Musket. TBA

10) Siamese Guard Spearman. TBA

11) Officer Encouraging Troops. TBA
Title: Re: Beyond The Pagoda 28mm range Warfare in S.E Asia Burmese, Laos, Siamese, Khmer
Post by: gringo on March 23, 2018, 11:11:05 AM: looking good Geoff :D

cheers
Ged
www.gringo40s.com
Title: Re: Beyond The Pagoda 28mm range Warfare in S.E Asia Burmese, Laos, Siamese, Khmer
Post by: Sir Barnaby Hammond-Rye on March 24, 2018, 01:03:28 PM: Do you have figure prices worked out yet?
Title: Re: Beyond The Pagoda 28mm range Warfare in S.E Asia Burmese, Laos, Siamese, Khmer
Post by: Shipka on March 25, 2018, 12:49:26 AM: Check Steve Barber Models for pricing of 28mm, The range doesn't feature there yet but pricing should be the same as other ranges
Title: Re: Beyond The Pagoda 28mm range Warfare in S.E Asia Burmese, Laos, Siamese, Khmer
Post by: Shipka on March 26, 2018, 08:30:55 PM: http://www.stevebarbermodels.com/113-28mm-burmese-laotian-and-siamese-armies

Steve has now released the first wave of figures
Title: Re: Beyond The Pagoda 28mm range Warfare in S.E Asia Burmese, Laos, Siamese, Khmer
Post by: ichwillauch on March 27, 2018, 07:34:18 AM: I will place an order and looking forward for more to come.
Title: Re: Beyond The Pagoda 28mm range Warfare in S.E Asia Burmese, Laos, Siamese, Khmer
Post by: Shipka on March 27, 2018, 09:32:17 AM: There is a Burmese Swordsman, Laotian Musketeer awaiting molds a generic officer being worked on as well as a Siamese musketeer who has just been commissioned, following these a Siamese Spearman, village militia along with a Lao regular and Siamese Marine(although the Lao levy just released can be used as same). A polearm pack will be done
Title: Re: Beyond The Pagoda 28mm range Warfare in S.E Asia Burmese, Laos, Siamese, Khmer
Post by: Shipka on April 08, 2018, 07:06:45 AM: To encourage those troops, Steve rolls out another green, this time a figure of a Senior Commander leading actively from the front
Title: Re: Beyond The Pagoda 28mm range Warfare in S.E Asia Burmese, Laos, Siamese, Khmer
Post by: gringo on April 08, 2018, 11:18:55 PM: splendid looking fellow :D 8) :) :o

cheers
Ged
www.gringo40s.com
Title: Re: Beyond The Pagoda 28mm range Warfare in S.E Asia Burmese, Laos, Siamese, Khmer
Post by: Shipka on April 16, 2018, 04:32:10 PM: A Siamese Musketeer has been added to the greens, he is ideal for engagements 1780-1831
Title: Re: Beyond The Pagoda 28mm range Warfare in S.E Asia Burmese, Laos, Siamese, Khmer
Post by: juergen c. olk on April 16, 2018, 09:28:54 PM: Good stuff.
Title: Re: Beyond The Pagoda 28mm range Warfare in S.E Asia Burmese, Laos, Siamese, Khmer
Post by: Sir Barnaby Hammond-Rye on April 27, 2018, 12:38:32 AM: Any swordsmen coming? Hand-weapons I mean, as opposed to just spearmen? I have no idea what is appropriate. I just received my order from Steve Barber - very nice figures, though slightly taller than I expected. I may actually use them for the purpose intended! ;) The other option is as proxies for Tekumel, trimming off the muskets! ;D
Title: Re: Beyond The Pagoda 28mm range Warfare in S.E Asia Burmese, Laos, Siamese, Khmer
Post by: Shipka on April 27, 2018, 09:31:03 PM: Yes Steve will be working on a villager armed with sword and axe, which I have just commissioned and there will be further swordsmen
Title: Re: Beyond The Pagoda 28mm range Warfare in S.E Asia Burmese, Laos, Siamese, Khmer
Post by: Shipka on May 15, 2018, 08:39:50 PM: Glad to preview a photo of a Siamese Musketeer standing firing armed with slung Dha sword , designed for a fellow Pagoda addict who is jointly involved with the project . Designed and sculpted by Steve Barber
Title: Re: Beyond The Pagoda 28mm range Warfare in S.E Asia Burmese, Laos, Siamese, Khmer
Post by: Shipka on May 16, 2018, 06:52:01 AM: Sir Barnaby Rye-Hammond, your wish for a swordsman has been realised, the following green represents a Siamese/Laos villager armed with both sword and an axe called a Mak.
Title: Re: Beyond The Pagoda 28mm range Warfare in S.E Asia Burmese, Laos, Siamese, Khmer
Post by: gringo on May 16, 2018, 07:29:10 AM: love the Siamese helmets....some fierce looking hand held weapons! :o

cheers
Ged
www.gringo40s.com
Title: Re: Beyond The Pagoda 28mm range Warfare in S.E Asia Burmese, Laos, Siamese, Khmer
Post by: Shipka on May 16, 2018, 08:00:51 AM: Scary when you think that villages fought dressed as above, the engagements were savage....watch the film Bang Rajan
Which is based on fact !
Title: Re: Beyond The Pagoda 28mm range Warfare in S.E Asia Burmese, Laos, Siamese, Khmer
Post by: Shipka on May 17, 2018, 07:42:14 AM: I was asked if Gringos40 Tonkin figures were suitable opponents for this range of figs, the simple answer is Yes if one is selective from the Black Flags and Vietnamese. There were several wars between the Siamese and the Vietnamese were allies to the Laos during the first have of the 19thC.
Title: Re: Beyond The Pagoda 28mm range Warfare in S.E Asia Burmese, Laos, Siamese, Khmer
Post by: Sir Barnaby Hammond-Rye on May 18, 2018, 06:53:12 PM: Quote from: Shipka on May 16, 2018, 06:52:01 AM
Sir Barnaby Rye-Hammond, your wish for a swordsman has been realised, the following green represents a Siamese/Laos villager armed with both sword and an axe called a Mak.

Looks great! Hopefully more to follow as you expand the range. I really like the sampling I purchased back in the April sale. Will be expanding my collection as expenses allow. And there is another local gamer I am going to show them to, only we haven't been able to coordinate a game for several weeks now.
Title: Re: Beyond The Pagoda 28mm range Warfare in S.E Asia Burmese, Laos, Siamese, Khmer
Post by: Shipka on June 20, 2018, 10:10:01 PM: Every Siamese or Lao village needed their own Monk
Title: Re: Beyond The Pagoda 28mm range Warfare in S.E Asia Burmese, Laos, Siamese, Khmer
Post by: gringo on June 21, 2018, 07:30:53 AM: simple but splendid sculpt

cheers
Ged
www.gringo40s.com
Title: Re: Beyond The Pagoda 28mm range Warfare in S.E Asia Burmese, Laos, Siamese, Khmer
Post by: FierceKitty on June 24, 2018, 03:40:17 AM: I hope people remember that these fierce-looking Siamese just don't win wars; depressing history, though entirely congruent with their performance as students and administrators. Rule 1: Don't learn to swim until you've fallen in the water. Rule 2: Complain as you go under for the third time that "to swimmin difficun".
Title: Re: Beyond The Pagoda 28mm range Warfare in S.E Asia Burmese, Laos, Siamese, Khmer
Post by: vodkafan on June 27, 2018, 08:25:06 AM: I could see the monk having loads of different usages.
Title: Re: Beyond The Pagoda 28mm range Warfare in S.E Asia Burmese, Laos, Siamese, Khmer
Post by: Shipka on June 27, 2018, 08:54:52 AM: Yes one of the followers suggested Frostgrave!
Title: Re: Beyond The Pagoda 28mm range Warfare in S.E Asia Burmese, Laos, Siamese, Khmer
Post by: Shipka on July 31, 2018, 09:09:13 PM: https://www.stevebarbermodels.com/113-28mm-burmese-laotian-and-siamese-armies

These are the current releases now featuring on SBM web site, there is one figure yet to be released and that is a Siamese Infantryman in Helmet standing firing
Title: Re: Beyond The Pagoda 28mm range Warfare in S.E Asia Burmese, Laos, Siamese, Khmer
Post by: gringo on August 02, 2018, 12:16:40 PM: all coming together nicely :D

cheers
Ged
www.gringo40s.com
Title: Re: Beyond The Pagoda 28mm range Warfare in S.E Asia Burmese, Laos, Siamese, Khmer
Post by: Shipka on September 14, 2018, 10:00:38 AM: The latest green from Steve Barber is that of a Vietnamese village conscript 1820-1835 armed with matchlock, the uniform was based around an illustration kindly sent to me via a Vietnamese contact
Title: Re: Beyond The Pagoda 28mm range Warfare in S.E Asia Burmese, Laos, Siamese, Khmer
Post by: Byblos on September 14, 2018, 10:20:13 AM: Such a VietNamese conscript : could it be used for the Tonkin war !?
Title: Re: Beyond The Pagoda 28mm Warfare in S.E Asia Burmese, Laos, Siamese, Vietnam 1820
Post by: Shipka on September 14, 2018, 01:51:09 PM: At a pinch, the hat should a regular salako,however lose the PLUME and you could poss use the figure as an armed villager from Northern Vietnam perhaps of Chinese Miao origin

I would stress he was designed for the Siamese Vietnamese war of 1835
Title: Re: Beyond The Pagoda 28mm Warfare in S.E Asia Burmese, Laos, Siamese, Vietnam 1820
Post by: Byblos on September 14, 2018, 04:45:11 PM: OK Shipka thanks !
Title: Re: Beyond The Pagoda 28mm Warfare in S.E Asia Burmese, Laos, Siamese, Vietnam 1820
Post by: Shipka on October 07, 2018, 03:21:24 PM: Byblos , Interesting to note that at the bombardment of Hue in 1883 all of the Vietnamese defenders are described as only using muzzle loading guns of all eras
Title: Re: Beyond The Pagoda 28mm Warfare in S.E Asia Burmese, Laos, Siamese, Vietnam 1820
Post by: TChard on October 10, 2018, 04:33:59 PM: What a great looking range of miniatures on an unusual topic!

You mention that the range is designed to cover the 16th to the the 19th century - am I right in thinking that all the figures without firearms would be suitable to represent the first Toungoo empire of the 1500's? I'd love to play out some of their border skirmishes against the Ming
Title: Re: Beyond The Pagoda 28mm Warfare in S.E Asia Burmese, Laos, Siamese, Vietnam 1820
Post by: Shipka on October 14, 2018, 07:26:20 AM: Yes they would be perfect
Title: Re: Beyond The Pagoda 28mm Warfare in S.E Asia Burmese, Laos, Siamese, Vietnam 1820
Post by: Shipka on December 23, 2018, 01:31:03 PM: Here is the latest offering from Steve Barber a Nguyen regular (1840s-1870s) in plain dress armed with an early percussion musket, hair/pigtail tied up in turnam
Title: Re: Beyond The Pagoda 28mm Warfare in S.E Asia Burmese, Laos, Siamese, Vietnam 1820
Post by: gringo on December 23, 2018, 06:22:25 PM: rather nice fig... :D..good pose!

cheers
Ged
www.gringo40s.com
Title: Re: Beyond The Pagoda 28mm Warfare in S.E Asia Burmese, Laos, Siamese, Vietnam 1820
Post by: Shipka on December 23, 2018, 07:18:13 PM: Designed for the conflicts with Siam in mind
Title: Re: Beyond The Pagoda 28mm Warfare in S.E Asia Burmese, Laos, Siamese, Vietnam 1820
Post by: Helen on December 25, 2018, 08:32:15 PM: Lovely work Geoff of the miniature from Steve.

Best regards,

Helen
Title: Re: Beyond The Pagoda 28mm Warfare in S.E Asia Burmese, Laos, Siamese, Vietnam 1820
Post by: Shipka on February 27, 2019, 11:30:58 AM: The latest fig is of a Vietnamese Nguyen Mandarin
Title: Re: Beyond The Pagoda 28mm Warfare in S.E Asia Burmese, Laos, Siamese, Vietnam 1820
Post by: marianas_gamer on February 27, 2019, 07:38:05 PM: Looks great! :-* :-* :-*
Lon
Title: Re: Beyond The Pagoda 28mm Warfare in S.E Asia Burmese, Laos, Siamese, Vietnam 1820
Post by: gringo on March 01, 2019, 09:43:58 AM: I do like this figure..great charm :D

cheers
Ged
www.gringo40s.com
Title: Re: Beyond The Pagoda 28mm Warfare in S.E Asia Burmese, Laos, Siamese, Vietnam 1820
Post by: carlos marighela on March 01, 2019, 11:48:12 AM: It would be wonderful if that figure could be cast with a two piece hat, with the middle section with the wings free to rotate. The original propeller cap.
Title: Re: Beyond The Pagoda 28mm Warfare in S.E Asia Burmese, Laos, Siamese, Vietnam 1820
Post by: Svennn on March 01, 2019, 12:24:09 PM: There are plenty of figs in this thread that I really like and I have to keep telling myself that I would not use them but I need some of those mandarins for sure

Svennn
Title: Re: Beyond The Pagoda 28mm Warfare in S.E Asia Burmese, Laos, Siamese, Vietnam 1820
Post by: Shipka on March 01, 2019, 07:02:56 PM: I hope by end of March, one was going to find its way too you!