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Miniatures Adventure => The Conflicts that came in from the Cold => Topic started by: Wyrmalla on October 02, 2017, 08:09:52 PM
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I just came across a really promising Chechen Wars Kickstarter. Its already funded, and looks like it should meet its first stretch goal without too much bother. They'll all be fantastic for my modern Ukrainians.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1026360580/28mm-chechen-wars-miniatures/description
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£30 for 10 of either side, £50 for all of them and the stretch goals.
Russian VDV Recon
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Chechen Fighters
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Stretch Goal #1 Chechen Snipers
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Backed, great minis and already made it`s target so watch out for stretch goals :-* ;D :D
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Very nice looking minis! :-*
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Many thanks for the heads up 8)
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Very nice looking minis! :-*
I've just discovered they're Igor Karpov's sculpts, so no surprise they are that good! lol They have plenty of character, so that they can even be used in some kind of Sci-Fi setting IMHO!
Only one point: where are the FEMALE SNIPERS?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Tights (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Tights)
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Thanks for pointing this out.
Have been following the web site waiting for the KS to began.
Just joined and can't wait.
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Funny, talked at the weekend about the fact, that Igor did this sculps. They are so PA for me, but do not fit in his PA-Range. I will use them as PostApos.
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I'm looking at them for modern stuff, but they'll equally work with my S.T.A.L.K.E.R. models. The Russians, with a bit of work (maybe mixed in with Empress Miniature's ballistic facemask helmets) would for Metro 2033 soldiers too (a game I'd love to do, but hell, show me someone with the patience for a modular subway system board...).
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Stretch Goal #2 has been updated (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1026360580/28mm-chechen-wars-miniatures/posts/2004736). At £2750 Russian soldiers armed with RPGs will be unlocked. :)
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They look great.
Just joined my first ever kickstarter funder
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SG #3 is a mdf building, a ruined warehouse. SG # 4 will be more Chechen fighters.
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Said MDF building, unlocked at £3500 - we're at £3308 at the moment.
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Meh.
More Chechen fighters though...
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Nice, albeit the weapons are a bit chunky. Some of those Chechens would make fabulous elves for Santa's War on Terra.
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I think the gun on the middle of the first row of VDV is a PKM. ...Don't quote me on that. ::)
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A somewhat short and chunky PKM at that.
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Somewhat chunky weapons on minis are much better for butterfingers like me, at least with Spectre minis I fear I snap the barrels, they are just too flimsy, at least in the original models. They might have improved the moulds for later runs.
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I much (*much*) prefer correct proportions with my minis, though I guess I'm in the minority with that one. They fit the sculptor's style I guess, and yes and much easier to actually produce as well. In this case whilst the guns are ridiculously sized when compared to their real world counterparts, they're miles ahead of many other manufacturers - so in the acceptable band.
Considering that if you want 28mm models of the setting you're stuck with Eureka or Red Star (now owned by Empress) I'll take these. Both of those companies' models are far too short for 28mm unfortunately (odd in Empress' case given the rest of their range).
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I much (*much*) prefer correct proportions with my minis, though I guess I'm in the minority with that one. They fit the sculptor's style I guess, and yes and much easier to actually produce as well. In this case whilst the guns are ridiculously sized when compared to their real world counterparts, they're miles ahead of many other manufacturers - so in the acceptable band.
Considering that if you want 28mm models of the setting you're stuck with Eureka or Red Star (now owned by Empress) I'll take these. Both of those companies' models are far too short for 28mm unfortunately (odd in Empress' case given the rest of their range).
Eureka make 28 mm Soviet figures for the Afghan war. Arguably, some could be used for Chechnya. They are definitely 28mm to eye, as advertised on the tin. Eureka do make a Chechen Wars range but it's 15mm, definitely too short for 28mm. :)
I don't have the ex-Red Star range but their French Indochina range is compatible height wise with most of the other 28mm stuff I have. Empress' own moderns are if anything a shade taller than Eureka.
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These look superb and may push me over the egde (though I haven't the money to pledge --- but I'll be keeping an eye on a retail release).
Personally, give me short and chunky weapons all day if it means they actually are paintable and don't break if you look at them. My miniatures get used and abused and gamed with a lot...hence no resin, and no "proper" scaled weapons. Also, I believe in the stage-makeup approach to miniature gaming.
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In all these years I can think of but one occasion when I have had a barrel break off on a Eureka or Empress mini and that was dropped from some height. Eureka use a higher lead content so their minis aren't as brittle. Some British manufactured minis seem to have the properties of tin solder, rather than tin soldier.
Edit. No, make that two. I remember the end of an SLR broke off on a Mike Broadbent sculpted Vietnam Australian but those were ridiculously slender.
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Eureka make 28 mm Soviet figures for the Afghan war. Arguably, some could be used for Chechnya. They are definitely 28mm to eye, as advertised on the tin. Eureka do make a Chechen Wars range but it's 15mm, definitely too short for 28mm. :)
I don't have the ex-Red Star range but their French Indochina range is compatible height wise with most of the other 28mm stuff I have. Empress' own moderns are if anything a shade taller than Eureka.
My statements might have been a bit broad. Its my assumption that both Eureka and Red Start's lines are all the same size. I have the Eureka Soviets in NBC suits and Red Star Chechens. Now if the rest of the line are taller than those then I may well go back and pick more up, I've just stayed away from both as they're not just smaller than Empress' admittedly tall 28mm, but also most other lines. Real people aren't all 6ft tall, but well I'm just not into the short end of 28mm / 25mm.
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The NBC suited chaps are mostly in crouching poses. They were fairly early works by Kosta. I suspect that there has been a bit of scale creep over the years. The recent Australians and Russian factory militia are quite tall.
You should pick up some of the Soviet Motor Riflemen, they are amazing sculpts, some of the best work Kosta has ever done and probably my favourite modern figures. I only wish he would do some more support weapons and some engineers.
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I've been looking at the Motor Rifles and Afghan National Police since they came out, but ignored them because of how titchy the NBC suited guys are (half a head smaller than "regular 28mm" and a head under Empress'). If they're the standard size I'll go ahead and pick some up to stand in as Ukrainians or Separatist forces (plenty of those guys are still wearing Soviet era kit. Hell if you're not a cream of the crop Russian soldier that's what you have). Those
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And more Strech Goals. Currently we're at £3,668 pledged.
Stretch Goal #4 - Open at £4250 (Free to all backers at the "All in" pledge level) - Chechen Sniper Set #2 -(Locked)
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Stretch Goal #5 - Open at £5000 - (Free to all backers at the "All in" pledge level) - Chechen Female Fighter - (Locked)
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I'm interested in the Russians which're planned for the future stretch goals.
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#4 sniper team now done I think.This looks very popular glad I'm in!
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Yeah, it shot up £1000 in a day. :D
After the female Chechen fighter its supposed to be more Russian support troops. I believe most of the future sculpts are included below. There was mention of future possible addons as well (so if the stretch goals aren't met hopefully we can nab anything there).
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This is damned tempting.
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They look like they could pull double duty as PDF for WH40k.
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I gave in and jumped on board. It is already a very good deal.
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Well worth it and the kickstarter has run really well so far, chuffed to bits too as I am in for all in and for £50 nicker is a cracking deal with Igor sculpts too ;D :D
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Really interesting KS. I would like to see more figures in the future, civilians, downed pilot, tank crew, support weapons...
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Really interesting KS. I would like to see more figures in the future, civilians, downed pilot, tank crew, support weapons...
Yes, hopefully after this KS there will be those as additions to their range achieved here through this KS.
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I've also given in and backed it - seems a great deal and the models look brilliant :D
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Backed :-*. They will make very good proxies for military and neutral factions for STALKER-like game (with previous Ratnik/Lead Adventure miniatures in mind :D).
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Yes civilians would be a great addition to this range
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Yes civilians would be a great addition to this range
+1 !!! ;)
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Not been updating this much, but here's the latest. Things are going pretty well. ;)
Stretch #7 - Open at £6500 (FREE to backers who pledge "All In") - Russian Sniper Set #1 (UNLOCKED)
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Stretch #8 - Open at £7250 (FREE to backers who pledge "All In") - Lifetime 10% discount on all Tiny Terrain Products purchased via our webstore (LOCKED)
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OK, damn a permanent 10% discount? Phew...
Pledge an additional £20 and you can get an additional 6 unique sculpts from either side, or £35 for the full 12 addon models as well (that'll help to get them over the latest stretch goal I imagine).
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Also from the latest update, whilst not part of the kickstarter a range of 1/50th vehicles are planned, which I'm rather pleased to read. :D
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I would have preferred more minis in the last stretch goal rather than life time discount... 30£ for 12 miniatures seems a tad too much...
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I added the extra 35 for the extra 12 figures.
The cost per figure is a little more that the going rate.
Am lucky that I have a few extra bucks, I know many don't.
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£26 into 12 models not £2.16 a model? Oh well, I'm being frivolous right now anyway.
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It's £35 divided by 12 so just under £3 per mini, but with the other add ons comes out at 41 figs for £85 and the satisfaction you have in helping to bring a new range of Nice miniatures out
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It's £35 divided by 12 so just under £3 per mini, but with the other add ons comes out at 41 figs for £85 and the satisfaction you have in helping to bring a new range of Nice miniatures out
Absolutely, I think it is a cracking deal, if you put hasslefree Spectre or other moderns against this it works out good value, plus as you say a new range that is getting off the ground and some excellent sculpts by Igor, check out the Warhansa modern ones (and our own Lead Adventure miniatures range), wish I had backed those at the time too ;D
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... check out the Warhansa modern ones (and our own Lead Adventure miniatures range), wish I had backed those at the time too ;D
Warhansa moderns are really very detailed miniatures... but they lack of skills in gun handling is disconcerting! ;D
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The miniatures are nice, but the idea of KS is not paying miniatures more... (it is to give backers some discounts). And I was complaining not for the original deal (that with all the stretch was quite reasonable, but for the add-ons (20 for 6 miniatures... ). I had pledged for the all in... then canceled... nothing against the miniatures, but I got the realization that I have mountains of leads to conquer and I prefer finish some project before starting a new one (plus two things bug me: no comparison shot... so I do not know if I can use them with other miniatures... ??? and one their website one miniature they are selling look to me too close to an empress one... :o ) ). Finally I will also say that while the campaign is designed to get maximum effect, it is not very user friendly. I was more interested in the Russians (the Chechen sculpts do not inspire me so much, and I do not have an use for them right now, no Grozny table), but pledging only the Russians was not worthwhile. Not very inspired by the warhansa too...
well one people tea is someone else poison (or they where other beverages? 8) )
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The miniatures are nice, but the idea of KS is not paying miniatures more... (it is to give backers some discounts). And I was complaining not for the original deal (that with all the stretch was quite reasonable, but for the add-ons (20 for 6 miniatures... ). I had pledged for the all in... then canceled... nothing against the miniatures, but I got the realization that I have mountains of leads to conquer and I prefer finish some project before starting a new one (plus two things bug me: no comparison shot... so I do not know if I can use them with other miniatures... ??? and one their website one miniature they are selling look to me too close to an empress one... :o ) ). Finally I will also say that while the campaign is designed to get maximum effect, it is not very user friendly. I was more interested in the Russians (the Chechen sculpts do not inspire me so much, and I do not have an use for them right now, no Grozny table), but pledging only the Russians was not worthwhile. Not very inspired by the warhansa too...
well one people tea is someone else poison (or they where other beverages? 8) )
Absolutely, fully understand :D
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Glad to see this KS thriving, obvious use is of course the 1st Chechen War but I plan to use the Chechens for many other factions than "just" the Chechen side. They get to be one (local) faction in some scenarios set in somewhere in somewhere-stan, somebody already mentioned a possible use for PA gaming etc. Same goes for Russians as well.... Actually, I have no direct plans for any Chechen War gaming :)
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Aye, I'll be using mine as militia units for games set in Ukraine. The Russian outfits match what many forces worldwide are still wearing (hell plenty of Russians are still kitted out with the old gear).
Personally the guns do nothing for me, but seeing as I need 30-40 models for the force this seems the way to go. I'll just smatter in Empress/ Spectre/ Eureka fighters to fill out the rest. A big plus with this KS is the amount of specialist weapons available. Whilst making my Russians/ Ukrainians, getting a hold of those in can be a bugger, and yes, whilst other manufacturers do them on the own, they fall prey to the "my gun barrel's thicker than a tank's autocannon" syndrome.
The 10% future discount may also be appreciated with Tiny Terrain's other stuff. They have an Israeli Sand Cat (popular worldwide) coming out at some point along with American bits.
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Running out of stretch goals... :P
Stretch #9 - Open at £8000 (FREE to backers who pledge "All In") - Chechen AT Support Set #1 (UNLOCKED)
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Stretch #10 - Open at £8750 (FREE to backers who pledge "All In") - Chechen AT Support Set #2 (LOCKED)
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Just checked on the KS page.
Over $11,000, that's exciting. :)
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Missed it until this morning. Received an email and went all in. Been a while since I backed a KS but I'm a sucker for Igor Karpov's sculpts and can always find a need for more chunky Russians with guns.
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Well we're onto the last 16 hours of the Kickstarter. £10,556's been raised, and all stretch goals unlocked. The "All in" Pledge now nets 34 models for £20, with 20 more for another £35. Anyone who pledges at All in also gets an mdf building, and one extra special model as well.
So anyone left over now's the time to pledge. I'm using my stuff for generic modern militia forces, but the same models could work as post-apocalyptic survivors and the like. Regardless, I'll be awaiting them being cast up by the new year hopefully. :D
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Congrats!
Mike Demana
www.firstcommandwargames.com
http://leadlegionaries.blogspot.com/
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Well we're onto the last 16 hours of the Kickstarter. £10,556's been raised, and all stretch goals unlocked. The "All in" Pledge now nets 34 models for £20, with 20 more for another £35. Anyone who pledges at All in also gets an mdf building, and one extra special model as well.
So anyone left over now's the time to pledge. I'm using my stuff for generic modern militia forces, but the same models could work as post-apocalyptic survivors and the like. Regardless, I'll be awaiting them being cast up by the new year hopefully. :D
This is a real bargain
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Should be 34 for £50 not £20 the rest of it appears correct.!,!
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Email received today with photos of test casts
They look great should arrive end of month approx
Really glad I backed it
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Shipping's now for some time in February due to the non-projected increase in the number of casts. They didn't expect to have to be making so many models.
Not like I'm going to be through my existing lead pile by then anyway. :)
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Edit: Nah, keeping mum. :-X
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From Kings Hobbies and Games - evidently where the rest of the original line which Igor couldn't find a buyer for went. :)
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I don't think so Tim may have had these done as they are based on Ukranian militia rather than chechens and more modern e.g. knee oads
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I believe Tim and Igor have their own arrangement separate from that Kickstarter. ;)
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I believe Tim and Igor have their own arrangement separate from that Kickstarter. ;)
Excellent, he is a cracking sculptor :D
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So... Will these be going out on general release later somewhere? Sorry if this has already been answered, very tired and it IS Monday o_o
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Tiny Terrain Models are the owner, and yes, have the intent to sell them (why else pay for the moulds). They already have an existing moderns line, though by another sculptor(s).
https://tinyterrainmodels.wordpress.com/
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Apparently the first orders are being shipped. Contacted Tiny Terrain and paid additional for tracked shipping rather than 4-6 week Economy International. Looking forward to these.
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Some in the UK have already received their's a day following the announcement that they were being shipped.
"Some". In back o' beyond Scotland it'll be a while before I see mine I suspect. :)
I'm considering given them all silly hats and making them Cossacks for my Separatist forces. Um, though that one female Chechen's outfit may be a bit out of place for more contemporary settings (cargo pants and a ballistic vest more like).
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I have received my figures today and they are wonderful sculpts with a lot of character. Now, to paint them and await new models...
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My pledge came (to Scotland) on Monday, the figures are magnificent-well chuffed,
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Mine was found in a bin. :P
I'm doing my best to lay what's there into platoons. Looking at them it works out as:
Chechens - 4 squads of six with: 3 RPGs, 1 Sniper, 2 AKs. Plus 2 leftover AKs (both could work as leaders)
Russians - 3 squads of 7 with: 1 PKM, 1 Sniper, 1 RPG, 4 AKs
I'll wait till Kings Hobbies and Games release their Ukrainians, as those are sculpted by Igor too (and have a similar look, just with more modern vests). With those extra 20 models I should be able to bulk out the Chechen forces a bit to represent other forces, as they're fairly short on AKs. Meanwhile the Russians could do with more specialist weapons (RPKs in particular) and some form of command element so that they properly represent a Russian platoon (which is usually 3 squads plus the command).
Oh, and looking at the now, their guns don't look as large as I had thought. They should work alongside say Empress or Spectre's without too much trouble. :)
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Every day when I come home from work I am totally excited to see if the postman has left a box for me. And every day I am disapointed.
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Got mine through yesterday - lovely sculpts and moulding. Looking forward to getting them painted up :)
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Every day when I come home from work I am totally excited to see if the postman has left a box for me. And every day I am disapointed.
Hey, your post in Denmark comes only monthly, because they do not have enough Elk-Sleds ;) lol
Here in Germany we also wait, slow mail...
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Mine was found in a bin. :P
I'm doing my best to lay what's there into platoons. Looking at them it works out as:
Chechens - 4 squads of six with: 3 RPGs, 1 Sniper, 2 AKs. Plus 2 leftover AKs (both could work as leaders)
Russians - 3 squads of 7 with: 1 PKM, 1 Sniper, 1 RPG, 4 AKs
I'll wait till Kings Hobbies and Games release their Ukrainians, as those are sculpted by Igor too (and have a similar look, just with more modern vests). With those extra 20 models I should be able to bulk out the Chechen forces a bit to represent other forces, as they're fairly short on AKs. Meanwhile the Russians could do with more specialist weapons (RPKs in particular) and some form of command element so that they properly represent a Russian platoon (which is usually 3 squads plus the command).
Oh, and looking at the now, their guns don't look as large as I had thought. They should work alongside say Empress or Spectre's without too much trouble. :)
They are lovely models, I liked the sculpting style , Igor did some a few years ago which were more chunky but had come up trumps with these. I have a shed load of the red star who has attempted to catch the cold weather gear but am chopping off the heads as they are just not quite right. Itching to buy some more myself and Tim`s range too :)
worth having a look through these as there may also be a few worth picking up for your more modern theatre Igor sculpts too http://warhansa.com/index.php/katalog/modern_adventurers_mercs.html
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Please can we see some comparison photographs?
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Please can we see some comparison photographs?
I will dig them out over the weekend
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Weird, my post is gone. :(
The Warhansa stuff is a bit too post-apocalyptic/ pulpy for use in a more realistic setting TBH. Its that the poses are so dramatic, and gear non-standard (which yeah, you can buy anything on Ebay or find falling off the back of a truck) that they don't really fit in with much of the other ranges. That, and the guns, whilst being sort of the same size as this stuff, don't have the same detail. They're more sci-fi looking (like Judge Dredd when they have a gun that looks like an AK, but not quite). I'd reiterate maybe waiting for SASM's Ukrainian range, as its the same sculptor, though of course not to say those aren't an option. ;)
I've made it home way too late tonight to take some pictures, but I'll see what I can do tomorrow. Probably: Empress/ Spectre/ SASM/ Eureka/ Wargames Factory for a comparison if you need them. Though they're similar to WGF/ Empress in their proportions (if the guns are less detailed. Most of the other manufacturers have moved to 3D printer their weapons for thinner proportions and better detail). However, I'd hazard that the PKMs aren't that amazing, especially when compared to Spectre's - who's barrels are needle thin.
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Empress / Kickstarter Chechen / Wargames Factory/ SASM / Kickstarter Chechen / Eureka
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The notable difference between the other ranges, other than the slightly larger guns, is the barrel size. Though they aren't Warhammer bad. :P
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Thanks.
The SASM does seem to tower over the others. The Kickstarter ones looks similar in proportions to the others.
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Not really. They're a smidge bigger, its just that particular one who's on his tip toes (its not a great pose), and his base is a bit taller than the others. Meanwhile Eureka's are smaller by about the same amount to the others. This one may illustrate the difference in sizes a bit better, though again, the SASM models aren't as hunched over.
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* SASM are the rear pair - Spectre in the front.
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Still not got mine
UK based and one of first in the Kickstarter
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My all in arrived last week lovely models they are a bit smaller than Red Star/Empress Chechen war figures of which I was hoping to match but going to keep them seperate now. Really looking forward to hopefully see a 2nd wave especially Spetsnaz/Recce figures fingers crossed
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I take it that the second Kickstarter is a while off? With what came in the Kickstarter I'm short a few things for running games of Spectre (mostly AKs), and would rather have squads planned out first before painting anything.
Similarly a indicator of a release date for Special Artisan Services Ukrainian range would be good. Those are more likely to be released before another Kickstarter is fulfilled I suppose.
The Chechens are distinctively Chechen, in that its a bit difficult to plan out a force of them with half the guys from the current Kickstarter having RPGs (which isn't really practical for systems where hand grenades are considered OP - Spectre). :(
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Very pleased with the models, but I've never ventured into the realm of moderns before. I wondered if anyone had any recommendations for a good set of rules to try?
Thanks :)
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Very pleased with the models, but I've never ventured into the realm of moderns before. I wondered if anyone had any recommendations for a good set of rules to try?
Thanks :)
This is a good place to start.
http://hntdaab.co.uk/blog/wargaming/great-big-modern-wargaming-rules-comparison-complete-edition/ (http://hntdaab.co.uk/blog/wargaming/great-big-modern-wargaming-rules-comparison-complete-edition/)
Of the modern modern games I own, probably Spectre followed by Skirmish Sangin. Osprey's Black Ops has a slightly different feel. Operation Squad: Modern War has only limited options and no vehicles.
Of course, you could use 7TV2 if you wanted, what with all the military based television out now.
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(which isn't really practical for systems where hand grenades are considered OP - Spectre). :(
Let me tell you about Skirmish Sangin's hand grenades - a device that has on multiple occasions splashed the thrower's team thanks to the massive damage zone.
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For more generic gaming you could try Chain Reaction by 2 Hour Wargames - it’s free so a test would be harmless and the rules encourage tinkering to your own tastes.
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I am not using Spectre for my set, more likely to go for force on force and/or No End in Sight
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Thanks guys - looks like there's some good rulesets out there :D
Has anyone got any good resources for painting? For example any books or websites that would be a decent reference for uniforms/camo etc.? I'm generally used to WW2 models so, as I say, modern stuff isn't something I've tackled before.
Cheers :)
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Thanks guys - looks like there's some good rulesets out there :D
I have Pinterest page and also one from the sculp
Has anyone got any good resources for painting? For example any books or websites that would be a decent reference for uniforms/camo etc.? I'm generally used to WW2 models so, as I say, modern stuff isn't something I've tackled before.
Cheers :)
I have some links on Pinterest and also there is a painting guide In how to book. There is also an I sorry on IN ON and paramilitary units. Will link them when home. I know once the minis are on general sale painting guides are being produced too
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Those running the Kickstarter have a painting guide in the works currently. I believe its covering the models painted in a variety of schemes specific to that particular conflict, along with (the Russians at least) being instead painted as the Ukrainian Azov Battalion (when they were still a National Defence Battalion and not part of the Army) circa the early part of the war in that state.
*edit: oh and looking at Tiny Terrain Model's Facebook page they're painting up the Chechens as bank robbers for a more modern period too.
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I was going to do my Russian VDV up as Ukrainian paratroopers (like the 1% of them who didn't defect) and pair them up with some airborne transports from HLBS possible (or Humvees). Mixed in with SASM's moderns by Igor they should be able to be brought up to a more modern setting (at least "modern" in that they're wearing decade old gear).
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For a bit of reference
Osprey on Paramilitary units https://www.amazon.co.uk/Russian-Security-Paramilitary-Forces-since/dp/1780961057
My pintrest page which has lots of bits and bobs for inspiration https://www.pinterest.co.uk/karllowthian/chechen-war/
this painting guide book is good to get an idea of the types of camo. I picked up a copy for this but lots of other good stuff in it too https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=v-qZBgAAQBAJ&pg=PA285-IA4&lpg=PA285-IA4&dq=wargame+painting+chechens&source=bl&ots=sy89ZpaEQE&sig=dIwEkZ4Le1RNamuGKgDK9MIlscc&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj0vbf4i4XaAhXG6xQKHX6LDgIQ6AEITzAI#v=onepage&q=wargame%20painting%20chechens&f=false
This site has some good info , an extreme collection of Russian uniforms, page upon page of it, god knows where the bloke keeps it all ;D www.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?p=5774882
Good old camopedia is good resource too http://camopedia.org/index.php?title=Russia
If you are looking at the history of the war(s) Osprey do a book on them but not much in the way of images for painting.https://www.amazon.co.uk/Russias-Chechnya-1994-2009-Essential-Histories/dp/1782002774
a must have for scenario inspiration https://www.amazon.co.uk/Fangs-Lone-Wolf-Russian-Chechen-1994-2009/dp/1909384771
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Got my pledge yesterday, wonderful.
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I got my package today. They are brilliant. I could use a few more chechens with AKs. But then again I could balance lake the rpg armed ones out with some soviet armor.
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No sign here in Finland :/
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They are worth the wait. I jumped right into getting paint on the chechens.
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They are worth the wait.
Indeed they are! It must have been my whining that brought them to me today :D
Awesome sculpts, need to start painting them as well. Hopefully there will be a new KS offering some bigger support weapons.
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On that note, are there many manufacturers of heavier Soviet/ Russian kit? Empress have some support weapons in their Chechen Wars range, though what about artillery? Spectre have some weapons too, and I guess making a tripod mounted DShK wouldn't be too difficult.
Probably outside the bounds of most skirmish games, though seeing as this Kickstarter included a thousand RPG-7s people may be looking to be playing larger games where that sort of thing has use.
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Been waiting for my figures to show up here in the US.
They look great.
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Package arrived safely here in MA. Very clean casts. More great Igor sculpts added to the painting queue.
Altho... Is it me, or are they smaller than his Lead Adventure work?
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Package arrived safely here in MA. Very clean casts. More great Igor sculpts added to the painting queue.
Altho... Is it me, or are they smaller than his Lead Adventure work?
They are , it looks like he has refined his sculpting to mix more with other modern ranges such as Empress etc
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I would like to have had them in the Lead Adventure Miniatures size...
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My package arrived.Very nice
We useIron Cross I wrote about them in an issue of Wargames Illustrated and a further one is due soon
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They are , it looks like he has refined his sculpting to mix more with other modern ranges such as Empress etc
Which was my major concern when backing this Kickstarter originally. I much prefer models with smaller proportions, though they're still a tad larger than the other ranges.
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Tiny Terrain have announced the second part of their Chechen Wars Kickstarter. :D
The fantastic news I have to share with you is that Igor has agreed to continued to sculpt for Tiny Terrain Models, and whilst we have been sorting your pledges he has produced another 40 or so Russians and Chechen masters in preparation for a follow on Kickstarter which we are currently calling “War in Chechnya - Part 2” (very imaginative). There will be at least 20 new Russians ( including different MVD units and support weapons for the motor rifles.....AGS17 anyone?) and 20 new Chechens (with plenty more riflemen for those of you who asked for more last time!) We are even getting a dog team made (mainly because Craig wants one to help the Russians clear the Chechens from the sewer network on his table!)
Currently the intention is to launch the Kickstarter at the end of June, with fulfilment planned before the end of the year. This time there will be no MDF options included, so we can ship all your pledges very much quicker.
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Meanwhile, Special Artizan Services have also recently announced a Kickstarter as well, by the same sculptor (he definitely has his hands full that Igor). More to follow on that in a separate thread once it starts. ;)
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