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Other Stuff => Workbench => Topic started by: Christian on April 09, 2009, 10:20:56 AM
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So begineth the Scale-o-matic:
Simply activate the Search/Find function in your browser and type in the manufacturer you require. Please be patient, this will take a while to complete! All feedback welcome!
(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg142/Intergalactic_photos/Scale-o-matic/3430007201_fdb295ceba_o.jpg)
Renegade, Brigade Games, Woodbine, Scarab, Musketeer, Great War, Baldrick
(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg142/Intergalactic_photos/Scale-o-matic/Brigade006.jpg)
Copplestone, Renegade, Brigade Games, Great War, Brigade Games
(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg142/Intergalactic_photos/Scale-o-matic/CoCcomp.jpg)
Metal Magic/eM-4 Dunwich Detectives (2011c), Metal Magic/eM-4 Dunwich Detectives (2001f), Artizan (PLP094), Artizan (PLP043), Hasslefree (HFW104), Grenadier Call of Cthulhu, Grenadier Call of Cthulhu, Citadel Gothic Horror 1987, Citadel Gothic Horror 1985, RAFM Call of Cthulhu (RAF02912), RAFM Call of Cthulhu (RAF02918)
(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg142/Intergalactic_photos/Scale-o-matic/Gentlemen.jpg)
Copplestone, Hasslefree, Blue Moon, Artizan, Copplestone
(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg142/Intergalactic_photos/Scale-o-matic/Ladies.jpg)
Foundry, Hasslefree, Blue Moon, Artizan, Copplestone
(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg142/Intergalactic_photos/Scale-o-matic/NapInf1.jpg)
Alban, Perry Metal, Perry Plastic, Victrix, Offensive, Front Rank, Foundry
(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg142/Intergalactic_photos/Scale-o-matic/NapInf2.jpg)
Perry Metal, Perry Plastic, Victrix, Offensive (close up)
(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg142/Intergalactic_photos/Scale-o-matic/snake_comparison.jpg)
IKORE, Grenadier, Hasslefree, Foundry Street Violence, Copplestone Future Wars
(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg142/Intergalactic_photos/Scale-o-matic/jr7lkx.jpg)
Heresy inspector, Black Scorpion Cowgirl, BA Rogue trooper, Hasslefree Debra, Reaper Townsfolk
(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg142/Intergalactic_photos/Scale-o-matic/oa19vn.jpg)
Void, Privateer Press pirate, BA Rogue Trooper, West Wind Zombie Hunter, Copplestone, and Super figure civilian
(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg142/Intergalactic_photos/Scale-o-matic/pulp_compare.jpg)
Perry, Foundry, Pulp Figures, Copplestone, Copplestone, West Wind, Foundry, Artizan
(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg142/Intergalactic_photos/Scale-o-matic/pulp_compare2.jpg)
Pulp Figures, Brigade Games, Copplestone, Blue Moon
(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg142/Intergalactic_photos/Scale-o-matic/west_comp1.jpg)
Artizan, Foundry (new), Blue Moon, Knuckleduster, Dixon, Foundry (old)
(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg142/Intergalactic_photos/Scale-o-matic/west_comp2.jpg)
Artizan, Foundry (new), Blue Moon, Knuckleduster, Dixon, Foundry (old)
(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg142/Intergalactic_photos/Scale-o-matic/west_comp3.jpg)
Knuckleduster, Blue Moon, Dixon
(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg142/Intergalactic_photos/Scale-o-matic/HGCOMP01.jpg)
Old Glory, Foundry, Games Workshop Citadel Plastic (6th Edition), Games Workshop Citadel Metal (4th & 5th Edition)
(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg142/Intergalactic_photos/Scale-o-matic/PK4.jpg)
Front Rank, Foundry, Games Workshop Citadel, Old Glory, Mirliton
(http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3030/2771462949_5ed1bd35a7_b.jpg)
Redoubt, Front Rank, Old Glory, Elite
(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg142/Intergalactic_photos/Scale-o-matic/colonials.jpg)
Ironclad, Empress, Empress, Black Tree Designs, Foundry
(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg142/Intergalactic_photos/Scale-o-matic/Compare2.jpg)
Copplestone, Foundry, Copplestone, Foundry, Artizan
(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg142/Intergalactic_photos/Scale-o-matic/14d41fd0a4b50f40a271302838ea8d28.jpg)
Ratnik, Black Scorpion, Copplestone, Foundry, Games Workshop, Privateer Press
(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg142/Intergalactic_photos/Scale-o-matic/4184ff844701879c813c46dbe3b748a9.jpg)
Ratnik, Black Scorpion, Copplestone, Foundry
(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg142/Intergalactic_photos/Scale-o-matic/Scale_comp_2.jpg)
BAM (Bolt Action Miniatures), Artizan, Crusader, Black Tree, Victory Force, Westwind
(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg142/Intergalactic_photos/Scale-o-matic/GREASERSCOMPARISON.jpg)
Grenadier, Brigade, Grenadier, Brigade, Hasslefree
(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg142/Intergalactic_photos/Scale-o-matic/scale_us.jpg)
Pulp, Artizan, West Wind (SOTR), Bolt Action Miniatures (BAM), Eureka
(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg142/Intergalactic_photos/Scale-o-matic/DSCF0276.jpg)
Rattrap Productions, Artizan, Strange Aeons (Uncle Mike), Eureka
(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg142/Intergalactic_photos/Scale-o-matic/bap1.jpg)
Black Army Productions, Artizan Designs, Black Army Prooductions, Pulp Figures, Black Army Productions, BAM Warlord Games
(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg142/Intergalactic_photos/Scale-o-matic/bap2.jpg)
Warm Acre Games, Black Army Productions, Artizan Designs, Black Army Productions, Pulp Figures
(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg142/Intergalactic_photos/Scale-o-matic/DSC00619-1.jpg)
Copplestone, Castaway Arts, Foundry, Pulp Figures
(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg142/Intergalactic_photos/Scale-o-matic/DSC00854.jpg)
Games Workshop Lord of the Rings, Citadel, Avatars of War, Games Workshop
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-v3dLsxX_iJY/TeATQZ0ZVZI/AAAAAAAAMDY/aL81C7HYvLQ/s1600/27%2Bmay%2B2011%2B06.jpg)
Minifigs, Wargames Foundry, Black Tree Design, Wargames Foundry, Rafm, Old Glory, Minifigs
(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg142/Intergalactic_photos/Scale-o-matic/Gesamt1.jpg)
Copplestone, Tsuba Miniatures, Copplestone, Tsuba, Musketeer, Tsuba, Hinterland
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Each square 5mm x 5mm?
Looks OK to me and the general idea works.
The size of different miniatures is a real bugbear of mine. Why can't manufacturers state the size of their miniatures in their catalogues? Its so simple.
Tony
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Excellent idea and I will make this a sticky.
I think it may be helpful to read this blog post in "The World According to Tom (Meier of Thunderbolt et all fame):
http://thunderboltmountain.com/serendipity/index.php?/archives/P1.html (http://thunderboltmountain.com/serendipity/index.php?/archives/P1.html)
It points out several issues with miniature compatibility and problems with miniature photography in that respect.
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Not much of an update but I thought I'd show what I put together as a measuring tool:
(http://i247.photobucket.com/albums/gg142/Intergalactic_photos/DSC01214.jpg)
I'm not going to let this project die, it's just taking a little bit longer than expected! I think also collating any of the great comparison pictures people have put up in the past would also make this work.
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Well done, very good idea. Might I propose the addition of a scale (by adding a ruler or something like that)?
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I have a similar idea (OK, not with the blocks, but a ruler instead) in the comparison tool at http://mainly28s.com (http://mainly28s.com) in the comparison tool.
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Cool! I've used your site before, is there any way for the gaming community to contribute to it to create an ever bigger database?
The squares are all 5mm, but the ruler is a good idea nonetheless!
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The Workbench Moderators Gold Star for a Bit of Cleverness, 3rd Class, to you for inventing that contraption, Christian. Put it to frequent use and post the results here, please.
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Cool! I've used your site before, is there any way for the gaming community to contribute to it to create an ever bigger database?
The squares are all 5mm, but the ruler is a good idea nonetheless!
Well, apart from by sending me the pics and reviews, not yet.
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Sounds a great project. It might be an idea to make an overview of the different ranges in the first post and include links to them from there, that way its easier to find your way around in. Good work, I'm liking the idea.
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Have you got any Ideas about how to tag your Photoes yet? Unsearchable Databases are pretty useless once they become really big. The Tags used in Reapers Figurefinder would be a good point to start from, but we need additional info, such as manufacturer(s).
While online picture bases such as photobucket might not allow for such a detailed tagging an extrenal list with the URL of the photos would. This can be done using something as simple as an Exxel sheet or as sophisticated as a complex Oracle database. As you want everyone to participate I'd reccomend an Exxel list as nearly everyone can do that without to much learning.
Another Question: Your grid doesn't start at level zero, but slightly above. How much is that? I'd assume 3mm
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While online picture bases such as photobucket might not allow for such a detailed tagging an extrenal list with the URL of the photos would.
Flickr supports tagging and searching by tags. Imageshack has some sort of tagging system, but I've never used it.
A "Scale-o-matic" group on Flickr would actually be a cool way to organize something like this, combined with some system of mostly-standardized tags.
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A "Scale-o-matic" group on Flickr would actually be a cool way to organize something like this, combined with some system of mostly-standardized tags.
That would be project I'd gladly join. Unfortunatly I'll not be available for the next month due to exams.
The problems arise with special tags
Someone searching for "handgun" should recieve all results for "pistol" and "revolver" as well. So either we use some formal tagging rules that tell us to set the "handgun"-tag wehenever also set a tag for a subclass, or we let some software do it for us. First option is less effort, but once we decided what tags to use we won't be able to change our tagging rules without having to rework all previously posted images. So one of the first tasks of such a group would be be to define the tags. I'd be glad if we could get some help from a librarian in asissting us in said task.
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Glitzer: It doesn't have to start at zero, as the miniature is only measure from the feet up. So, if the feet are lined up at the bottom of the grid, that's your zero.
In terms of a search function, I was just planning on going by manufacturer. I'm going to update the first post with some images taken from LAF that compare several manufacturers.
Then, one could simply use the browsers search function to get an idea of the scale of those figures.
It's great to see some additional input!
EDIT: And many thanks to those of you who have provided scale shots in the past, hope you don't mind me using them!
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So... too many pictures? Bandwidth?
Would a link be better?
Individual miniatures will be photographed soon... and I have collected several more images form the forum also.
Thoughts?
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I did a sweep of the forum and got some more comparison photos (finally!). Taking my own pics is taking longer than I thought, and they don't come out great.
Has this helped anyone so far?
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I can't say that at the moment :D
But it's good to know that this is somewhere available. How do you process the comparison pictures, as I also have some to offer?
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I just host them, make sure I know who the miniatures are made by and stick them up! If you have a direct link just PM them to me and I will add them to the original post! :D
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Many thanks for this great and very helpful thread! :)
Embarrassing myself now in the eyes of everyone who already knew it, I would also like to mention a little something I accidentally stumbled upon (http://paizo.com/cgi-bin/WebObjects/Store.woa/23/wa/browse?path=paizo/messageboards/community/gaming/minis/direWolfMini&wosid=4u32OV3ecXazVNIfDhkSUM&page=1#5) just minutes ago, and which might actually come in quite handy for the ones of us who regularly browse the Reaper homepage and wonder how specific miniatures behave sizewise:
Apparently, the two metal triangles (http://www.reapermini.com/graphics/gallery/4/60031_w_1.jpg) you find on the starboard side of (most of (http://www.reapermini.com/graphics/gallery/4/02648_G.jpg)) the miniature photos (http://www.reapermini.com/graphics/gallery/4/02442_w_1.jpg) mark the height of 0.5 and 1 inch, respectively.
I actually feel a bit like a simpleton now for never having this thought occurring to me before (and always wondering why the photo people at Reaper do not take pictures without some parts from other miniatures sticking into view). lol
(My sincere apologies to everyone to whom this is old news; at least, you can still play find-the-links-in-this-post, if you have nothing better to do. ;))
/'Nother Edit: I just noticed that this indeed is (http://www.reapermini.com/forum/index.php?/topic/36809-how-high-are-the-triangles/) old news, but since all the mentionings of "Bryangles" and the like in this forum (at least the ones I was able to find) happened in places I usually do not frequent as often, and as this is a centralized and stickied topic, I still find it a tiny bit useful to have it also here, officially, and all. ;)
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Splendid tread, not just for the height comparisons but also for the side by side comparisons of the the different makers.
Christian, tipping of hat in your general direction. :-)
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Thank you for the comments guys. If you care to put together any scale shots do let me know and I will put them up post-haste!
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Very useful idea!
Cheers!
A.
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What a super thing this is, I am really greatful for your work that you have put in to this. You asked if this have helped people, well it sure did help me make up my mind on buying some miniatures today. Heh, the miniature producers should send you figures for free, it will help both you, me and them! Win win! :)
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http://theotherminiaturespage.com/Scale-o-matic/Scale-o-matic.htm
Something to consider...
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Man, that page would be great if the the baseline for measurement was the soles of the feet.
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You did notice that you can move the images around right?
If you want to compare from the base to the figure - choose a line and line it up. When you click an image, it becomes transparent to make it easier to line up.
(http://theotherminiaturespage.com/Scale-o-matic/transparent.jpg) (http://theotherminiaturespage.com/Scale-o-matic/foot-to-head.jpg) (http://theotherminiaturespage.com/Scale-o-matic/base-to-head.jpg)
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Oh ha!
At first I thought you could move them, but drag and drop seemed to do nothing. Turns out it wasn't working because of my ad blocking plugins. Works fine now.
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Hey! You used my photo without my permission!!! >:(
That's okay. Glad to help the cause. :)
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Plan on doing attribution of the images once I get things a little more polished...though the polish is sort of perplexing to me.
Right now I am using full color PNG files. They look the best with the transparent pixels, however they are significantly larger than say PNG-8 or GIF files.
(http://theotherminiaturespage.com/Scale-o-matic/PNG-GIF-PNG-8.jpg)
The first is the full color PNG, followed by a GIF and a PNG-8. You can see the issue at the edges of the figure and lettering. With the prevelance of broadband connections though, I am not too sure the size really makes much difference. It is a significant savings though, 32 kb for a full color image and 10 kb for a palletized image.
As far as the script itself goes - it is pretty basic.
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Hey guys (and girls),
Some comparison shots of my little lead men with those of other manufactures:
(http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q240/Maichus/Tsuba/Redoubt1.jpg)
(http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q240/Maichus/Tsuba/Gesamt1.jpg)
No Musketeer Miniatures' WW1 Russians unfortunately, if anybody has the odd one spare and wouldn't mind parting with it, please let me know.
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(http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q240/Maichus/Tsuba/Gesamt1.jpg)
Hey Maichus,
I'm glad your great new Japanese are on a par with Hinterland. In the early days of Hinterland I wondered if I'd made a horrible mistake not making them more similar in size to Copplestone. As time has gone by, however, I've grown more and more content with their size. Best of luck with Tsuba. And thanks for throwing in a Hinterland mini for comparison.
Jason/Mancha
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A few 15mm sci fi figures with Khurasan alien(not predator) the new Oddzial Osmy NVL trooper, a GZG Nac trooper and a Oddzial Osmy space worm.
(http://i43.tinypic.com/33nvofq.jpg)
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The size of different miniatures is a real bugbear of mine. Why can't manufacturers state the size of their miniatures in their catalogues? Its so simple.
Tony
First there is the issue of scale (1/300th) versus size (6 mm) which is n't standard within each category.
Second, How tall is "a Normal man."
Third there is the stupid (IMNSHO) issue of measuring "to the eyes" which doesn't happen with real humans. Seriously? "...to the eyes.."? Seriously?
Now that I have vented, nice effort on the scale-o-matic thing.
Gracias,
Glenn
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Great, thanks for those pics guys, they will be up shortly! (Goes to show how little I've been on here lately... really must do something about that!).
The issue for 28mm, as far as I see it, is simply one of standardisation across ranges, more so than attributing a quantifiable scale to the figures. Although, both points do affect eachother.
What is frustrating is buying a pack of 28mm figures from one manufacturer, and finding they do not match with those of another. This is sometimes a problem within companies themselves (Foundry's "Old" and "New" Wild West ranges, for example). This, of course, takes into account the diversity of the human form in real life...
Hopefully this collection of pictures will help toy soldier enthusiasts avoid that frustration :)
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Great thread.
I will continue.
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-QWrrnqNASkE/UCKdUJfxTzI/AAAAAAAABP4/EB7lPt25Z4U/s800/P1040374.JPG)
Victrix plastic, Capitan miniatures lead, Perry miniature plastic
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-3O_Z45Y6__8/UCKdVK9gezI/AAAAAAAABQA/ld_WbwAaDws/s800/P1040379.JPG)
Victrix lead. Capitan miniatures lead, Perry minaitures plastic Hussar and Dragoon.
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Head comparison:
(http://i625.photobucket.com/albums/tt337/Hauptgefreiter/Comparison/DSCI0001_zpsf5321c3c-1_zpsefee9359.jpg~original)
- GW Space Marine - - MaxMini - - Mad Robot - - GW Catachan -
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Excellent idea and I will make this a sticky.
I think it may be helpful to read this blog post in "The World According to Tom (Meier of Thunderbolt et all fame):
http://thunderboltmountain.com/serendipity/index.php?/archives/P1.html (http://thunderboltmountain.com/serendipity/index.php?/archives/P1.html)
It points out several issues with miniature compatibility and problems with miniature photography in that respect.
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Gracias,
Glenn
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Third there is the stupid (IMNSHO) issue of measuring "to the eyes" which doesn't happen with real humans. Seriously? "...to the eyes.."? Seriously?
I think the habit of categorizing figures by height instead of scale is the real 'bug' here. When doing so, you have to use a convention to deal with the fact that many model soldiers wear big hats that make measuring to the top of the head rather impractical. My guess is, the idea of measuring to the eye level originates from the fact that almost every model soldier, regardless of headgear, has eihter visible eyes or another indication of the eye level (visor slits, goggles, you name it).
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I think the habit of categorizing figures by height instead of scale is the real 'bug' here. When doing so, you have to use a convention to deal with the fact that many model soldiers wear big hats that make measuring to the top of the head rather impractical. My guess is, the idea of measuring to the eye level originates from the fact that almost every model soldier, regardless of headgear, has eihter visible eyes or another indication of the eye level (visor slits, goggles, you name it).
That's correct. You must not forget that these scale conventions predate wargaming and come from the old "flats". Most of the minis at that time were Napoleonic Wars and the hats were rather big/high at that time.
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Zombiesmith To'ok
(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk301/area23shelter/IMG_4461_zpsd4ac53cc.jpg~original)
Grenadier Trooper - Took - Void Viridian - Took - Took - Dark Eldar
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(http://i283.photobucket.com/albums/kk301/area23shelter/compariz_zps2a32832d.jpg~original)
from left to right:
15mm barbarian - 15mm troll - 28mm german - 28mm barbarian - 28mm yeti - 15mm giant - 28mm giant.
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A strange ensemble of 28-32mm figures
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-TAvbX3erZpI/Uquy9lHXEtI/AAAAAAAAAxU/Q8p-pAKpqps/s1600/FigComparison2.jpg)
Hasslefree, Black Scorpion, Hasslefree, Hasslefree, EM4, EM4, EM4
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Ix9rKRdR6fk/Uquy9FixLYI/AAAAAAAAAxQ/7ceAwYagzwQ/s1600/FigComparison1.jpg)
Hasslefree, Em4, Em4, Hasslefree, EM4, Black Scorpion, Black scorpion, Hasslefree, GW, GW, GW
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Saracen cavalry comparison picture
http://kampgruppe-engel.blogspot.se/2014/09/saracen-cavalry-comparison-pictures-old.html (http://kampgruppe-engel.blogspot.se/2014/09/saracen-cavalry-comparison-pictures-old.html)
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-98nGTiV8VE8/VB_4nY-l9cI/AAAAAAAAIUk/sDFG59viwts/s1600/P1020434.JPG)
The miniatures are from left to right:
Perry miniatures, unpainted Old Glory Arab Armoured Cavalry, Musketeer miniature,Gripping beast (they use the same horses and are almost exactly sculpt-wise), converter plastic Conquest Games Normans, unpainted Old Glory Ghulams, Magister Militum.
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(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-iadS0MPRwvY/VUVdkq9RNBI/AAAAAAAABd0/9n6eoVzdGOU/s1600/FigComparison3.jpg)
Hasslefree Joe 28mm, Brother Vinni Protectron 28mm, WotC Tusken Raider 32mm, WotC Jawa, Black Scorpion 32mm, WotC Merc
Cheers
Matt
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Just wanted to thank those who put these together. I've got some Konflikt '47 (Bolt Action figs) Brits on the way and am planning to order some West Wind Productions gas-masked heads for them.
The pics confirm that while the figs are a bit different sized, the heads are the about the same, with the WWProd heads possibly being better sized than the Bolt Action originals.
Thanks again!
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Some not-working photobucket links ammended.
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are infinity models a complete blow out compared to hasslefree as far as size/height?
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along the same line . . . sort of, does anyone use a scale ruler for their modeling?
or is everything basically done "by eye" - that looks about right?
thanks
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Food for thought:
(https://brooklynwargaming.files.wordpress.com/2016/07/soldierheights.jpg?w=600)
A picture of some of the soldiers who participated in the Boxer Rebellion. Some might say they expect the British and the Japanese soldiers to be different sizes, but look at the variation in the Europeans.
Two Germans:
(https://img-9gag-fun.9cache.com/photo/a5bNbGy_460s.jpg)
A German prisoner and a British soldier:
(https://i0.wp.com/historycolored.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/10/TallestGermanSoldierWW2-1-e1603038767721.jpg?fit=816%2C816&ssl=1)
Two Germans from WWI:
(https://www.moma.org/media/W1siZiIsIjMyOTE0OCJdLFsicCIsImNvbnZlcnQiLCItcXVhbGl0eSA5MCAtcmVzaXplIDIwMDB4MTQ0MFx1MDAzZSJdXQ.jpg?sha=c8a2972359a27e38)
And finally, a thread on Mainly 28's
http://mainly28s.com/comparison/+1910W.weapons.comp.html (http://mainly28s.com/comparison/+1910W.weapons.comp.html)