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Other Stuff => Workbench => Topic started by: Condottiere on November 12, 2017, 03:21:39 AM
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If(sic) features a spring-loaded clamp mechanism, which locks tightly onto 25mm, 32mm and 40mm round bases, as well as fitting 60x35mm oval bases.
Paint Grippers Review And Are They Worth It ?? Citadel Painting Handel/RedBeam Paint Gripper (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIpQXQmTllg)
Was going to dismiss the Citadel Painting Handle (https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Citadel-Painting-Handle-2017) as just another overpriced GW tool, but according to the video above, it could also handle square and rectangular bases. I remove tabs and pin figures to cork for painting and eventual transfer to a 40mm x 40mm+ group base, but have been looking for something sturdy and ergonomic for holding individual slotted based ones. I know there are ones with grip systems of metal, plastic or wood, but this one is $8 + sales tax.
For those who picked up one or two, how durable is the spring loaded clamp? Will it break with repeated use?
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I kind of like painting handles. I bought the fancy wood ones on Kickstarter last year
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2066522358/miniature-holders-and-grips-for-painting-and-sculp
They are nice looking but the cork holder slip out to easily.
There is a new one out now that I am getting Like the screw on cap aspect.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/gameenvy/the-hobby-holder-a-better-way-to-paint-miniatures
I just saw the Citadel grip tonight and it looked like it can hold different shaped bases. so I might be interested in seeing that one too
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What I'm using currently is a little glass spice jar* with a cork stopper sawn in half. For unbased minis I put the tab or foot pegs between the cork halves, and it grips nicely when the cork is wedged into the jar. For bases I do the blue tack thing. Haven't had any issues with it, and I find it has very good grip and balance ergonomics, though I would like a Rathcore style vertical tool/finger rest. I'm betting I could make something even better out of PVC or wood dowel if I ever care to.
The Citadel one looks fine, and I'm glad they're making it dirt cheap. I just don't really need one when cheap DIY options work just as well if not better. My main concern about it is it looks specialized towards holding standard plastic bases (and alternatives which emulate the dimensions and thickness of such bases), which I don't use, so I don't think it would work for me. Also I already have a hobby hand vise which is sorta like a wood and metal version of the Citadel holder, and I don't actually care for the ergonomics.
*One of the wee jars Trader Joe's saffron comes in. Not worth buying just for the jar, as saffron is expensive, but if you use saffron, it's worth earmarking the jar to be saved.
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For single 28mm figures I’ve gone back to using an empty film canister and blue-tac...
If anything these are a little small for my hand (going by the cramp after awhile) so I’m interested in how it fits in the hand over time.
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I'm thinking about getting one, after a video review and comparison with others.
They're adjustable for most of the sizes used in the GW games...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIpQXQmTllg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uIpQXQmTllg)
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I kind of like painting handles. I bought the fancy wood ones on Kickstarter last year
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2066522358/miniature-holders-and-grips-for-painting-and-sculp
They are nice looking but the cork holder slip out to easily.
There is a new one out now that I am getting Like the screw on cap aspect.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/gameenvy/the-hobby-holder-a-better-way-to-paint-miniatures
I just saw the Citadel grip tonight and it looked like it can hold different shaped bases. so I might be interested in seeing that one too
Missed out on both campaigns, as I had never heard of such a tool. :( I like the look of the first one and have been waiting over a year for general sale, but $30+ for the product and adapters and shipping from Germany, though will pick one up in the future - are the 3 different finger bars available separately? The second one is slightly cheaper, but it's plastic, so probably lacks the former's durability. I'm not convinced about the finger bar, as holding the stand, with almost a kungfu grip, for an extended period, might lead to cramps.
I would just need the one handle, if GW offers the screw tops separately, and there might be an another top planned, if I haven't misunderstood the discussion on dakka.
Chris Peach has found another use for the ahndle: https://www.facebook.com/WarhammerTVteam/videos/472949403100043/ (https://www.facebook.com/WarhammerTVteam/videos/472949403100043/)
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What I'm using currently is a little glass spice jar* with a cork stopper sawn in half. For unbased minis I put the tab or foot pegs between the cork halves, and it grips nicely when the cork is wedged into the jar. For bases I do the blue tack thing. Haven't had any issues with it, and I find it has very good grip and balance ergonomics, though I would like a Rathcore style vertical tool/finger rest. I'm betting I could make something even better out of PVC or wood dowel if I ever care to.
The Citadel one looks fine, and I'm glad they're making it dirt cheap. I just don't really need one when cheap DIY options work just as well if not better. My main concern about it is it looks specialized towards holding standard plastic bases (and alternatives which emulate the dimensions and thickness of such bases), which I don't use, so I don't think it would work for me. Also I already have a hobby hand vise which is sorta like a wood and metal version of the Citadel holder, and I don't actually care for the ergonomics.
*One of the wee jars Trader Joe's saffron comes in. Not worth buying just for the jar, as saffron is expensive, but if you use saffron, it's worth earmarking the jar to be saved.
How about the red pepper flake jars? (https://www.traderjoes.com/TJ_CMS_Content/Images/fearless-flyer/uploads/article-1593/red-chili-pepper.png)
I've got one cleaned up, though can't recall where I stashed it... lol
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It could work fine. Way too tall for my personal taste, and you'd have to source the stopper seperately. The saffron jars are basically a bit larger than a Citadel paint pot, and made of thick glass so they balance nicely relative to the mini, AND they come with their own cork.
If I were to start from scratch, I'd buy a stopper and scrounge a bit of PVC pipe for the handle. The pipe could be easily tooled, thermoformed, and puttied to whatever shape and weight I could want. Or actually, these days the easiest thing to do would be to just print one or have one printed.
RE: the finger bar-
I wouldn't use it as part of my normal way of gripping, just as something I could shift to ocassionally for certian bits. My little bottle handle works great for the most part, but sometimes when working on certian details in certian areas my hand will want to shift to hold the mini so it's more enclosed/ pinioned for better stability, which would normally be impossible without putting fingers on it's head or shoulders. And sometimes the bar isn't for fingers, but rather for steadying your tool or brush against while doing something particularly small and fussy. That's where the bar would come in very handy for me. I definately want a handle with one.
BUUUUUTTTT...
I really don't like the holders in the Kickstarter linked, as they seem designed to force you to use the finger bar at all times (the grip knob under the figure keeps getteing less and less substantial with each iteration). I would hate that too; not for cramping reasons, but because it takes more than it gives in terms of grip options. When I'm moving around a mini painting or sculpting, I'm going to be shifting my grip constantly, so I want something that gives me the added options of the fingerbar without taking away the options of the jar or whatever in the process.
IMO the latest version looks like something that belongs on on Thingiverse rather than KS. 10 minutes in a modeling app, and I could make a handle like that tailored to my own exact preferences, and finding someone to print it would be easy these days. The accessibility of 3D printing means simple plastic stuff like this is less viable as a marketed product IMO: the fancy carved wood ones were better KS material.
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I use the Hammers Industries CorkMeister 2000 System:
(http://www.adventuregaming.tsome.com/Workbench/Priming/pic3.JPG)
It works a treat.
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Here is an image of my own holder.
(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-klS9usjrVYE/WCXVuvNx-GI/AAAAAAAARDA/aO-wJrkTIj0nkyn8OnTmyokKxAYpvpEIgCLcB/s320/stuff%2B005.JPG)
More details on my Blog.
And.
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-ZQlMzZ0Hf9Q/WAuEuvx6zsI/AAAAAAAAQ-0/OLFVoRP4K2ofDCfiTtE-XxV1C8qNjCj5gCLcB/s320/Stone%2BTower%2BBase%2Band%2Bholder%2B008.JPG)
See here;
http://dampfpanzerwagon.blogspot.co.uk/2016/10/miniature-holders-kickstarter-and.html
and/or
http://dampfpanzerwagon.blogspot.co.uk/2016/11/miniature-holder-latest-update.html
Tony
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I have purchase two of these Citadel Painting Handles and I must admit they are cleverly design and great to use.
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Splashed out on one - a little squat for my lump of a hand but better than the film canisters so I’m a happy bunny!
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Its sold out locally in every shop it had it :)
I guess that happens when GW had best priced product on the market :P
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Bought one last week and really like it! I use corks to hold figures with no bases - figs with tab removed and one leg drilled to take metal post - and it won’t replace these. However, it is the proverbial bees knees for figures I want to put on a base or which come with a base as part of the moulding. And it’s cheap!
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If the production quality is good in the handle I suppose it is a handy tool when you paint single miniatures, like hero, command or display type miniatures. As I (and I suppose a lot of other painters) paint miniatures in batches there are several issues this tool does not solve.
Hot-glueing based miniatures to plastic wine corks and which you stick on a hedgehog board has worked for me a long time.
Has anyone tried that thing on something other than GW plastic bases? How's the grip?
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I have use it for Mantic TWD miniatures so far with out any issue. Works also fine with MDF bases.
No problem either with square bases.
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I have use it for Mantic TWD miniatures so far with out any issue. Works also fine with MDF bases.
No problem either with square bases.
Good. Thanks.
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Don't use it for boardgame minis with bases in softer plastic. Those springs are pretty strong.
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I got mine today. it is much smaller than I thought it was but it fits well in the hand. I placed a figure on a round lipped base in it and it holds it very firmly. As stated in my last post I bought this one on Kickstarter a while ago https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2066522358/miniature-holders-and-grips-for-painting-and-sculp It too works OK but sometimes the cork holder become lose and a Number of figures have fallen out onto the ground. The Citadel handle holds firm and is fairly inexpensive for what you get. I will keep you informed after I have used it for a while.
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I’ve not worked out why it has a standard tripod mount underneath... Maybe a cost thing as it’s a standard size?
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I have a few of them and like them fit my hand very well. I think the tripod mount might be to be able to swop the top to fit bigger bases in later?! At least thats what someone on Facebook suggested
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UPDATE;
The Rathcore Miniature Holder and Grips are now available.
(https://www.pk-pro.de/media/image/product/12760/lg/rc-101010.jpg)
See this link;
https://www.pk-pro.de/Miniature-Holders-Grips-V3
Tony
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I picked a Citadel Painting Handle up from Worcester War Games earlier today for just £4.50. My first impressions are that it is a very well made mechanism and I can see it being well used.
Tony
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Checked the GW store online, to see if they still carried painting handles, and found these two:
Citadel Painting Handle XL (https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Citadel-Painting-Handle-Xl-2018)...
Citadel Assembly Handle (https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Citadel-Assembly-Handle-2018)...
The handle looks the same as the original, so why couldn't the screw on tops be sold separately? The XL looks decent, but hoe durable is the assembly rig?
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I have used my GW handle with miniatures from a lot of different manufacturers and not had an issue with it. But for groups of figures I tend to use a cheap knock off of the Hammers Industries CorkMeister 2000 System. :D
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I have used my GW handle with miniatures from a lot of different manufacturers and not had an issue with it. But for groups of figures I tend to use a cheap knock off of the Hammers Industries CorkMeister 2000 System. :D
But have you used the one with the clips?
The standard one is solid and I've attached cork to it, for use with pinned figures...
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Citadel Assembly Handle (https://www.games-workshop.com/en-US/Citadel-Assembly-Handle-2018)...
I sort of chuckled at this when I first saw it and then two days later I was having to hold parts of a model together hoping that the *%^$ing glue would dry and saw the use of it.
Regarding the original post, I have been using mine nonstop since they were released and the springs are still solid. I've not had any large metal minis on the handle but it manages to hold on to old Alternative Armies 28mm troops no problem. I use them for everything and I find that the size of the handle fits my hand a lot better than cork or spice bottles.
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I have not used the larger handle or clips.
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That assembly handle might actually be able to do some good.
I've had a LotR plastic Gondor horseman with a broken horse leg (the only one connecting it to the base) sitting around in my 'to be repaired' pile for a couple of years, as I haven't been able to think up a way to secure the parts for poly cement to settle. o_o
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I have used my GW handle with miniatures from a lot of different manufacturers and not had an issue with it. But for groups of figures I tend to use a cheap knock off of the Hammers Industries CorkMeister 2000 System. :D
Haaa! I bet you found it on Wish.
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Has anyone tried that thing on something other than GW plastic bases? How's the grip?
The jaws are shaped to accomodate a slotta base - / \ sort of thing, I think partly to counter the pushing up effect of the jaws as they close. I have had problems with figures with straight edged bases popping out when I was applying pressure (I use the handle to hold figures I'm converting, rather than for painting)
All I did was blutak the straight base to a slottabase and it fixed the problem. I would recommend that approach if you're trying to use it to hold corks as well.
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I have never really gotten the point of these painthandles. But then again I don't paint miniatures for competitions.
In my mind it is just some extra needless gear. In the same way that there are two types of people running in the woods. Those in full lycra spandex suits with bandoleers of water bottles and a pulse monitor. And then there a those guys who just run in some ragged old shorts and a t-shirt.
I have used the Hammers Industries CorkMeister 2000 System since before it was cool. And it has never let me down. I do drink a lot of wine so I have a good stock of corks and usually paint 10-20 minis at a time.
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I have never really gotten the point of these painthandles. But then again I don't paint miniatures for competitions.
In my mind it is just some extra needless gear. In the same way that there are two types of people running in the woods. Those in full lycra spandex suits with bandoleers of water bottles and a pulse monitor. And then there a those guys who just run in some ragged old shorts and a t-shirt.
I have used the Hammers Industries CorkMeister 2000 System since before it was cool. And it has never let me down. I do drink a lot of wine so I have a good stock of corks and usually paint 10-20 minis at a time.
Good man. :)
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I just glue figures temporarily to a bit of scrap card.
This works fine even if you are painting a batch of 50 or more figures at once.
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I have never really gotten the point of these painthandles. But then again I don't paint miniatures for competitions.
In my mind it is just some extra needless gear. In the same way that there are two types of people running in the woods. Those in full lycra spandex suits with bandoleers of water bottles and a pulse monitor. And then there a those guys who just run in some ragged old shorts and a t-shirt.
I have used the Hammers Industries CorkMeister 2000 System since before it was cool. And it has never let me down. I do drink a lot of wine so I have a good stock of corks and usually paint 10-20 minis at a time.
I got a Citadel handle after trying corks (over the last 12-18 months) and I find the handle far more convenient. Just pop the base into the spring-loaded holder and paint away. Find it easier than faffing about with blue-tac trying to get figures to stay attached.
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I also used corks before but I had always problems with sticking the figures to them with blutac. Especially metal ones. I probably used the wrong corks lol
I bought the Citadel handle when it were released and I love it. It provides a nice, comfortable grip and I can hold the figure in much more angles steadily than just holding the base of the figure.
I originally bought two, but I have ten now. :D I usually paint at least five figures at a time, and it was annoying changing them in the handles.
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Since I really only paint individual miniatures these days (no batch painting, in other words), and since I've never been happy with the old "blue-tac and a cork" system (which only did one thing consistently for me - let the miniature fall to the ground, usually at the worst possible moment), I picked up one of the GW painting handles a few months ago to give it a whirl.
Long story short - I find it excellent. The handle is chunky, so I don't cramp up holding it in my hand. It holds the miniature firmly, with no wobbling or shifting. It's easy to switch miniatures into and out of it. I now have two of them, and will probably get another couple in the coming months. Love 'em!
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I have never really gotten the point of these painthandles. But then again I don't paint miniatures for competitions.
In my mind it is just some extra needless gear. In the same way that there are two types of people running in the woods. Those in full lycra spandex suits with bandoleers of water bottles and a pulse monitor. And then there a those guys who just run in some ragged old shorts and a t-shirt.
Don't look now but some kids are on your lawn
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Dang kids!! >:(
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I currently have a pledge for the Red Grass miniature holder. It basically does the same thing as what I am using now (big Vallejo bottles with blue tack), but then better.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1061749597/rgg-360-the-best-ergonomic-handle-for-miniature-pa/description
And not expensive. I also have their wet palettes and they are absolutely fantastic. So that made the pledge even easier :)
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Dang kids!! >:(
At least they are dressed appropriately. :)
What sold the GW handle for me was that size of the grip. I've tried using corks in the past (and I have a few handy for things that don't fit onto the GW handles) but the size of them causes my hand to cramp. I don't have that issue with the GW ones. I also eventually picked up ten so I can do whole units at a time and I suspect that I wouldn't have painted a fraction of what I did last year without them.
Now I am a bit of a special case but really whatever works for you and helps you in your hobby...
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Yet another KS for a painting handle - https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/iscreamart/the-complete-holders-for-miniature-painting-by-i-s?ref=discovery
(https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/023/781/710/1b7e814a28f097c752b4d2f4b5bfd763_original.png?ixlib=rb-1.1.0&w=680&fit=max&v=1547480258&auto=format&gif-q=50&lossless=true&s=4a70ca4e818def2535902a9f679e14d9)
Comments on the Reaper forum about how useful the light would be, as it does seem as if it would cast shadows over where you're trying to paint.
It seems to suggest automatic controls for rotation. If that's the case, I forsee a lot of miniatures with a stripe around their middle lol
(https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/023/781/629/673118e57b25ce67ca623379a7fa0783_original.png?ixlib=rb-1.1.0&w=680&fit=max&v=1547479642&auto=format&gif-q=50&lossless=true&s=5d493bbbeb2b23f14e5f5af45bebe898)
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I am sorry, but what a complete fullfilment of a non-existing need.
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I am sorry, but what a complete fullfilment of a non-existing need.
lol
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I am sorry, but what a complete fullfilment of a non-existing need.
They're looking for £16,200 and so far have £742, so I don't think you're the only one who thinks that :D
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They're looking for £16,200 and so far have £742, so I don't think you're the only one who thinks that :D
I noticed.
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I paint armies so use the Hammers & Dr Zombie cork method for 25/28mm figures and card squares for 15/18mm figures.
If I am painting skirmish figures then the figure is already on a base with the groundwork added and then hot glued to the cork, rarely comes off.
I also mount my corks on a 25mm and then a 30mm washer to stop it from falling over.