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Miniatures Adventure => SuperHero Adventures => Topic started by: Sir_Theo on January 05, 2018, 07:10:58 PM
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Is this the right board? Apologies if there is another thread about this somewhere else. I just noticed this:
https://manticblog.com/2018/01/05/mantic-games-hellboy-board-game/
Presumably a Kickstarter some time down the line. Mantic havr done such a great job translating the Walking Dead comic into a game I'm mildly interested in this even though it's not my usual thing!
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I just got that email today as well. I was thinking of starting a thread, but wasn't sure where it would go either, lol. This seems like a good enough place.
The blog says it is supposed to launch in April 2018... I will keep my eye on the KS. But that usually means the actual game won't be released until 2019, if usual KS wait times are anything to go by.
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It's interesting it's going to be a board game, not a miniatures game. I'm assuming something like the Conan/Batman monolith games maybe?
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Hmmm...pretty cool idea and setting, but I’m not sure about Mantic. They had some awesome stuff recently but still now and then random models are totally not suiting my taste.
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The difference here is that they won't be using their own designs. They'll be going off Mike Mignola's stuff. I would dare say they've done a good job capturing the spirit of the art in The Walking Dead, so I have hope that their models will be true to ignola's vision.
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The difference here is that they won't be using their own designs. They'll be going off Mike Mignola's stuff. I would dare say they've done a good job capturing the spirit of the art in The Walking Dead, so I have hope that their models will be true to ignola's vision.
I really hope so. TWD is certainly Mantic‘s finest hour yet. On the other hand, I heard many people complain about the material they used for their ... Saga titles.
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I really hope so. TWD is certainly Mantic‘s finest hour yet. On the other hand, I heard many people complain about the material they used for their ... Saga titles.
I can only agree, I am very unhappy with many Star Saga pieces, mostly the furniture and scenery parts are so warped, that you can only dump them!
>:( :( :(
But being a Hellboy fan I hope that they will do it in the same quality as TWD and all is fine.
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Hyped about Hellboy miniatures but slight worried that its Mantic seems to be the common reaction everywhere and I'm no different.
I'd like to know which BPRD investigators will be available, they say that up to four people can play but only mention 3 characters.
I'm also interested in the scale. 28mm would be my favorite and 32mm is doable, but 35mm means that it would be hard to find good alternate/extra models (apart from other board games).
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I can only agree, I am very unhappy with many Star Saga pieces, mostly the furniture and scenery parts are so warped, that you can only dump them!
>:( :( :(
But being a Hellboy fan I hope that they will do it in the same quality as TWD and all is fine.
Agreed. I’m only excited because of the big red one!
Dark Horse had an incredible Black Friday sale and I bought an enormous amount of digital comics which has helped to keep me hyped!
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I'm also interested in the scale. 28mm would be my favorite and 32mm is doable, but 35mm means that it would be hard to find good alternate/extra models (apart from other board games).
Yep. It would be a wasted opportunity if they would not make it compatible to Warlord, Perry and their own plastics.
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I can only agree, I am very unhappy with many Star Saga pieces, mostly the furniture and scenery parts are so warped, that you can only dump them!
>:( :( :(
But being a Hellboy fan I hope that they will do it in the same quality as TWD and all is fine.
No, don't dump them! I dropped mine in boiling water and they snapped back into shape perfectly. I then put them in cold water to keep the position. Anyway, Hellboy could go in the Superhero thread, Weird Wars or the Cthulhu one, it's that varied. Mantic are really improving on the miniatures front and I love all things Hellboy. I'll back this just for the minis I think.
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First mini shown, damnit they’re going to make me buy this.
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Love the Hellboy figure.
Will have to keep an eye out for this.
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I am excited for this. The Walking Dead stuff is rather decent and true the comics. Looking forward to this.
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Hmm. This is a dangerous thing...
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Looking forward to this, I was lucky enough to be involved in the play test day and though under an NDA I can say the game does feel like Hellboy.
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The minis look excellent to me. :)
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The latest Mantic newsletter points to a blogpost on developing the game - link (https://manticblog.com/2018/04/12/hellboy-developing-game-part-one/)
The Kickstarter launches April 25th.
I'll have a look, but their choice of casting material always makes me wary. I did pick up the Star Saga Corporate Minion Booster recently and the figures look okay, although I haven't tried to clean them yet
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The minis look excellent to me. :)
The ones on the Mantic stand certainly looked good.
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The ones on the Mantic stand certainly looked good.
Yeah detail good and hard plastic as far as i can tell. We painted 2 today (poorly)
Glen
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Definitely interesting!
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Saw some of the modes today at Salute, they were very nice indeed
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Pics?
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Pics?
I forgot my camera, so I need to transfer the blurry ones off my 'phone.
If you want to venture into the wilds of the internet, have a look here:
http://wargameterrain.blogspot.co.uk/2018/04/the-big-wargame-convention-salute-2018.html (http://wargameterrain.blogspot.co.uk/2018/04/the-big-wargame-convention-salute-2018.html)
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Pics are fine, but for those who saw them in the flesh, how did they look scalewise? I'm guessing biggish?
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Pics are fine, but for those who saw them in the flesh, how did they look scalewise? I'm guessing biggish?
It is often difficult to judge. They certainly looked on the large size.
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These are rather poor, but I did promise.
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-tpWAg1xZQ9A/WtThvktJ0HI/AAAAAAAADlE/8O1ChiHjW7sRGK0HiI4GLpSlnxnv8ZQ4wCLcBGAs/s1600/hellboy.png)
(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-cSMBM5P5RSk/WtThvuYYboI/AAAAAAAADlI/ZkuwYpXEiTwxm4n6rblUz6sCDNpqZL9qwCLcBGAs/s1600/johan.png)
And a completely rubbish photograph of Liz Sherman.
(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-m-eWXQ7tzEY/WtThvYBsh8I/AAAAAAAADlA/RpN4b7ciPvEJG91T8mQyRgz6BhlQMo4eQCLcBGAs/s1600/lizsherman.png)
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These do indeed look nice, albeit several years after I converted my own set of BPRD minis since none were available at the time. Never mind.
I may pick up a few eventually, but am I the only one a bit disappointed that this is another KS project? I know the licence must be expensive, but do they not have faith in the fanbase? :?
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I get the impression Mantic treat Kickstarter as a giant pre-order scheme, a bit like Reaper and Bones, cmon and the Zombicide series etc.
I don't think they even do much in the way of stretch goals, rather bonuses that are factored into the base price.
I have quite a lot of Mantic figures, but generally avoid the Kickstarters, just in case they go with bad material choices. I pick up any I want when they hit retail, usually cheaper that way, as I'm not paying for the stuff I won't use
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These do indeed look nice, albeit several years after I converted my own set of BPRD minis since none were available at the time. Never mind.
I may pick up a few eventually, but am I the only one a bit disappointed that this is another KS project? I know the licence must be expensive, but do they not have faith in the fanbase? :?
...well, from a producer‘s point of view, it’s pretty obvious: take high risk, and slowly but steadily churn out a handful of sets at a time without knowing if they will sell (warlord games do this currently with Dr. Who) - or take limited risk, get the money before you deliver the product, get a free testing of the demand and being able to finish a complete game within a year and make lots of profit immediately (Monolith - Conan, Mythic Battles, Batman, CMON, Mantic).
I can understand why companies choose the latter.
And even from a painter‘s perspective there is a lot to be gained: I have at least a dozen unfinished games/miniature lines at home, which started, but where the producer ran out of steam/capital in mid-production (Copplestone 15mm, Copplestone 10mm, Chronopia, Inferno, AEon Trinity, Deadlands TGRW, Ral Partha 1889, etc. Etc.).
So I’ve come to the conclusion that this is the new real and a good way to throw more or less complete chunks of models/games on the market. And it’s not all bad!
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All valid points, I agree.
I just feel like it's not really what KS was supposed to be, even if that's what it now is. I dunno.
Anyway, the minis look really nice and I they do well. :)
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All valid points, I agree.
I just feel like it's not really what KS was supposed to be, even if that's what it now is. I dunno.
Anyway, the minis look really nice and I they do well. :)
I agree. I think it is a poor business model for a company to use. It allows them to put all the risk on the consumer and take none of the chance themselves. Whatever happened to companies investing in research and development. Taking the time to get to know the customers. Now these companies put out a Kickstarter. if it doesn't succeed, they just do another one. And worst part in my opinion is that they continue to launch Kickstarters before they have delivered previous ones. I think Mantic has at least two that they haven't delivered yet and here they are starting a third. It feels like this is how they keep their company afloat. Not too mention what all these Kickstarters are doing to the retailers. I know a lot of stores won't even carry a product that was on Kickstarter because it just sits there because anyone who wanted it, already got it through the Kickstarter.
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All valid points, I agree.
I just feel like it's not really what KS was supposed to be, even if that's what it now is. I dunno.
I also share this opinion,
besides, most of my buys are impulse ones. Impulse buys and kickstarter don't work together - usually when the miniatures arrive (after a couple of months or years) I'm no longer interested.
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I think it is a poor business model for a company to use. It allows them to put all the risk on the consumer and take none of the chance themselves.
A poor model for whom? In a pure capitalistic way it is almost zen in its perfection.
If you do not like the model, do not support it ^__^.
Whatever happened to companies investing in research and development.
Where is the return?
In the real world states have to offer incentives (normally tax breaks) for companies to undertake the research the company would use to make money in the future..
besides, most of my buys are impulse ones. Impulse buys and kickstarter don't work together - usually when the miniatures arrive (after a couple of months or years) I'm no longer interested.
I buy stuff, not always on impulse - I have only pre-ordered a couple of times (Dicestarters). Kickstarter is only of interest to see what might be.
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A poor model for whom? In a pure capitalistic way it is almost zen in its perfection.
If you do not like the model, do not support it ^__^.
Where is the return?
In the real world states have to offer incentives (normally tax breaks) for companies to undertake the research the company would use to make money in the future..I buy stuff, not always on impulse - I have only pre-ordered a couple of times (Dicestarters). Kickstarter is only of interest to see what might be.
To each their own. I have only ever sponsored one Kickstarter. It was for a Ganesha games PDF and neoprene mat. They delivered in only a few months.
I just wonder how many people would feel the same if say Games Workshop decided to fund via Kickstarter. These are companies who have established brands and products. There should be no need for them to use Kickstarter every time they want to make a new version of their existing games. Invest your profits back into your business otherwise you will never grow your market share. A prime example of this is Mantic with the Walking Dead miniatures game. They ran a Kickstarter like two years ago. The Kickstarter was for a total of four waves of product after all the funding they received. They have now released all those waves to retail and guess what? They have yet to show anything new for the line. My guess that they probably will not either until they decide to do another Kickstarter for Walking Dead version 2.0.
IMHO running a company with a Kickstarter model is similar to people living paycheck to paycheck without any concern for their future.
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I just wonder how many people would feel the same if say Games Workshop decided to fund via Kickstarter. These are companies who have established brands and products. There should be no need for them to use Kickstarter every time they want to make a new version of their existing games. Invest your profits back into your business otherwise you will never grow your market share. A prime example of this is Mantic with the Walking Dead miniatures game. They ran a Kickstarter like two years ago. The Kickstarter was for a total of four waves of product after all the funding they received. They have now released all those waves to retail and guess what? They have yet to show anything new for the line. My guess that they probably will not either until they decide to do another Kickstarter for Walking Dead version 2.0.
IMHO running a company with a Kickstarter model is similar to people living paycheck to paycheck without any concern for their future.
Well, many gamers tend to complain about everything GW does, but at least they do run a stable business with people getting regular paychecks.
On the other hand, I still think, it’s not the companies that are to blame or misuse Kickstarter, it’s as has ben said a capitalist dream. Getting paid for your investment before you actually produce anything. Well, we all would probably do the same and go to Kickstarter instead of risking our capital.
As long as the masses pledge, this won’t change. And to my surprise, boargames with minis regularly break the 1 million dollar barrier. That’s not too bad - even for Kickstarter. I mean, some rumors say, Monolith was satisfied with the 4.5 mio (!) they made with Batman but had hoped for nearly 8mio.
Just imagine...that’s a company that was more or less not existent befor their Conan KS.
So as I said above, we may like it or not, but this seems to be the new normal. And I really wonder when GW will tryit. I’m pretty sure they’re currently discussing the pros and cons heatedly!
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It's live:
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1744629938/hellboy-the-board-game?ref=hero_thanks (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1744629938/hellboy-the-board-game?ref=hero_thanks)
(https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/021/012/572/862d84f9ddff28708c083562261299a8_original.png?w=680&fit=max&v=1524668544&auto=format&lossless=true&s=9913dee6180755fa6369436310ea94d8)
£89 24 hr EB now available.
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Damn, I love those tiles. Mike Mignola is boss.
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Backed. The Early Bird level is actually really good value, even converting for Australian dollars.
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I’m on! Big Red and Mantic have a much better bundle than the latest Zombicide or the dubious Confrontation KS IMHO!
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They've included scale information, sort of:
(https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/020/863/986/c6a5258330b13ab851179439c0d05561_original.jpg?w=680&fit=max&v=1523543558&auto=format&q=92&s=451a922adcbb7f70e219a5d9bd979992)
I'd say they're 35mm'ish.
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They've included scale information, sort of:
(https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/020/863/986/c6a5258330b13ab851179439c0d05561_original.jpg?w=680&fit=max&v=1523543558&auto=format&q=92&s=451a922adcbb7f70e219a5d9bd979992)
I'd say they're 35mm'ish.
Well, Big Red and Abe are shown to be larger than the average human in the comics afai remember, and the model to the right ist 32mm high (measured with base?). So my guess would be that they could fit well next to (slim) 28mm as well.
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Oh yes the "Giant Frog Monster" and "Tentacle Monster", such memorable foes... but jokes aside, it's looking neat to me. :)
Plus the Archives expansion seems to allow you to easily craft your own scenarios which is a definite plus in my eyes.
Though it could just be the way they're pictured the Nazis are looking a bit taller than the frog minions, is the any size comparison of them? Couldn't find any myself.
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Now if they would only deliver the other FOUR Kickstarters that they received funding for but have yet to complete. Oh and while they are at it how about furthering existing IPs. It is like what they plan for their Kickstarters is all they ever plan to do with something. I love their Walking Dead game. But nothing new has come out for that game that wasn't part of their Kickstarter. It is like they but all kinds of hype behind something up until it is Kickstarted and then they throw it aside. Almost like the philosophy of "We got our money in advance, now let's move to something else. No need to put further effort behind this game unless we do another Kickstarter." Hard to support a company that continually uses Kickstarter. There comes a point when you either have brand recognition to stand on your own or you don't.
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Urgh! I don't wanna admit it, but I'm backing it. I love Hellboy so much, but have zero faith in Mantic. Star Saga and Dreadball 2 in my opinion sucked something awful, and these were supposed to be improved editions of previous games. But at the Early Bird price, I guess it's worth a punt.
Plus side, they've gone with a freelancer and not their studio developers and fans to do the work this time this time, so fingers crossed.
I see Mantic as the new Mongoose...Get a licence, hype it, then move onto other things. I think they really want their own licences to shine, but to be honest, I've never seen them stocked in store, so grabbing a licence and Kickstartering the hell out of it is probably the thing that's keeping them going...Not sure what state they'd be in without The Walking Dead.
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yep despite the reservations, expressed in this august forum, I also went for the earlybird pledge knowing I will probably end up trawling the internet for the minis at some point!
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Now if they would only deliver the other FOUR Kickstarters that they received funding for but have yet to complete. Oh and while they are at it how about furthering existing IPs. It is like what they plan for their Kickstarters is all they ever plan to do with something. I love their Walking Dead game. But nothing new has come out for that game that wasn't part of their Kickstarter. It is like they but all kinds of hype behind something up until it is Kickstarted and then they throw it aside. Almost like the philosophy of "We got our money in advance, now let's move to something else. No need to put further effort behind this game unless we do another Kickstarter." Hard to support a company that continually uses Kickstarter. There comes a point when you either have brand recognition to stand on your own or you don't.
This is a bit off-topic but wouldn't they, in case of a licensed product like TWD, need additional permits/licenses to produce anything beyond what their original license covered?
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Plus side, they've gone with a freelancer and not their studio developers and fans to do the work this time this time, so fingers crossed.
"Designed by James M. Hewitt - the brains behind the likes of DreadBall, Blood Bowl 2016, Necromunda: Underhive, and Warhammer Quest: Silver Tower"
So he did Dreadball for Mantic.
Kickstarter is great for Mantic. They can use it to fund really big print runs with minimal risk. They get their stock as cheaply as possible and by stringing out retail releases they can keep their cash flow up. Backers get a load of stuff. It's already well below £1 per miniature plus all the printed stuff. About the only losers are the retail games shops who will find it difficult to sell for the first year or so, especially when Mantic do a sale.
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....About the only losers are the retail games shops who will find it difficult to sell for the first year or so, especially when Mantic do a sale.
Longer that that in many cases, the game shops around here back Mantic Kickstarters themselves at the "traders pledge" and sell on to pre-booked customers but never get in fresh stock of anything Mantic for retail.
As one of the owners commented, Mantic already soak up the sales from pretty much anyone who would have been his customer so why should he buy product that he knows will just sit on the shelf when he can turn around Infinity, Malifaux or Warhammer stock as quickly as he can get it in.
Unless someone specifically requests one, Mantic games do not feature in the shop club nights.
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I'm backing it too...the game looks like a fun Mansions of madness type deal and the minis look great.
I dont mind Mantic. I like Dreadball and Deadzone (game wise, the Kickstarter were a bit problematic) I've also got dungeon Saga but never got around to playing it.
I really like Kings of War. Although I've never been involved in the Kickstarters. I also think that TWD is awesome.
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Also I think River Horse are the new Mongoose!
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About the only losers are the retail games shops who will find it difficult to sell for the first year or so, especially when Mantic do a sale.
Eh, it's not like game stores really need boardgames. The FLGS makes most of its money from Magic the Gathering events, and miniature wargames. Even with miniature wargames, it's a crowded market. That may be why Mantic's going after boardgamers with some of their projects. Willie Sutton didn't actually say "I rob banks because that's where the money is," but there's plenty of money when you cut out the middleman, know how much product you will sell, and don't have to take out a loan. :$
@Fiona: Yep! For TWD, Mantic had the comic book rights, but Cryptozoic had the AMC television series rights. So that's why Mantic's TWD doesn't have Daryl, a character not in the comics but in the television series.
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This is a bit off-topic but wouldn't they, in case of a licensed product like TWD, need additional permits/licenses to produce anything beyond what their original license covered?
That is true but their license covers all of the comics for TWD. With the Kickstarter being two years ago, there has been plenty of time for them to get approvals on additional sculpts and such to have new product ready for once the Kickstarter waves ran out. Their product line so far only covers up to the conflict with the Governor and Woodbury with the exception of making Ezekiel, Shiva, and Negan. The comic is approaching 200 issues and the game only takes us up to around issue 50. I get the feeling that they obtain these licenses for a quick cash grab. They run a Kickstarter and only develop a certain amount of product based upon what profit levels they desire from the Kickstarter and then let the license languish until it expires. It seems to be a pattern that is forming. Mars Attacks, Deadzone, Dungeon Saga, TWD, and now Hellboy. It is no wonder that game distributors in the U.S. don't want to carry their products.
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Plenty has been added to the campaign (including Baba Yaga) thanks to the new Hellboy In Mexico expansion add on, over £1M now!
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While not a blockbuster like Monoliths Batman game or Firelocks Blood and Plunder kickstarters its looking good.
There are fewer but better stretch goals, from my point of view at least.
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While not a blockbuster like Monoliths Batman game or Firelocks Blood and Plunder kickstarters its looking good.
There are fewer but better stretch goals, from my point of view at least.
Although in Mantic's own terms, it looks like it is their most successful Kickstarter as their first one-million pounds plus project, and has more than doubled the amounts raised from their two previous licensed IP campaigns.
In all, as you say it does look like a smartly constructed campaign.
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Really like the mini's involved in this, but the last scale update has pushed me to the verge of dropping my early bird.
They are going to be too big. It's looking a lot like average humans are going to be 35mm to the eye - which means they won't fit with anything outside of the game.
It also means the doors they have included as an add on, will be too small.
Tbh, I think it's an error on their part not to remain with the scale they already have established. It would allow inventive crossovers like zombies, ghouls and other creatures.
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Really like the mini's involved in this, but the last scale update has pushed me to the verge of dropping my early bird.
They are going to be too big. It's looking a lot like average humans are going to be 35mm to the eye - which means they won't fit with anything outside of the game.
It also means the doors they have included as an add on, will be too small.
Tbh, I think it's an error on their part not to remain with the scale they already have established. It would allow inventive crossovers like zombies, ghouls and other creatures.
I'm guessing that they'll be the same scale as The Walking Dead game, big but still usable with pretty much anything else.
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I would suggest not.
The Walking Dead miniatures vary but seem to be more 32mm. The hellboy stuff seems to be a fair bit taller.
Lobster was listed as over 40mm tall including the base which is going to be 3mm max. And he is a standard human size, so you are looking at around 5mm difference on average human heights going by that.
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Really like the mini's involved in this, but the last scale update has pushed me to the verge of dropping my early bird.
They are going to be too big. It's looking a lot like average humans are going to be 35mm to the eye - which means they won't fit with anything outside of the game.
It also means the doors they have included as an add on, will be too small.
Tbh, I think it's an error on their part not to remain with the scale they already have established. It would allow inventive crossovers like zombies, ghouls and other creatures.
Damn, that would also be a nogo for me! Where did you read about the scale?
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With ho much they have added to the package, making stuff bigger without need would seem a really odd decision.
I see they have better card-weight etc for stretch goals which makes total sense, but making minis bigger? That would seem really odd if true.
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Damn, that would also be a nogo for me! Where did you read about the scale?
In the comments. I queried after they added another image with measurements including Lobster at 40mm and roger at 41mm.
Eventually they answered stating that this is a 35mm game and that the sculptor had included base height in the measurement and withdrem the image to correct it.
Now, that comment is still there and they took down said image.
But even if that is correct Lobster is still going to be around 37mm tall as the base wont be more than 3mm thick.
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Sounds like miscommunication rather than literally resizing the stuff. Regardless, I remain in. :)
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In the comments. I queried after they added another image with measurements including Lobster at 40mm and roger at 41mm.
Eventually they answered stating that this is a 35mm game and that the sculptor had included base height in the measurement and withdrem the image to correct it.
Now, that comment is still there and they took down said image.
But even if that is correct Lobster is still going to be around 37mm tall as the base wont be more than 3mm thick.
Well, that is indeed massive, but 35mm means from foot to eye-level; so lets not panic (yet)! I dont have my collection ready, but I remember most of the recent (i.e. from the last 10 years) models sold as 28mm are tending towards 32mm in reality.
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I'm happy with 35mm scale as it'll fit in nicely with other board game miniatures then :)
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So a couple of things:
1) 'To the eyes' is not an industry standard. Other companies still measure to the top of the head - which is by most sculptors accounts - the preferred method.
2) Mantic kindly updated the scale image on the KS:
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So the average human height isn't 35mm to the top of the head or the eyes, not unless they have 4mm of forehead!
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Hmmm....that is rather large. Not sure whether I'm happy with it. I would have thought they aimed at the weird war collectors who mostly play with 28mm "historical" minis.
Is this maybe fitting with other superhero games (Batman)?
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Might fit with Batman, but then this is a different universe and a different publisher. So it makes very little sense - IMHO.
The two things this would fit with is weird war stuff, post war, and then moderns.
So something around the 32mm mark in total height or there abouts would have made perfect sense. You could mix and match era's and even throw in the likes of Fenris Games pieces to make your own missions etc.
However, upon canceling my pledge I did have a nice exchange with Rob who expressed that they are larger to better capture the feel of the Mignola art work. And I can fully understand this considering they are using PVC.
To make characters easily recognisable without bobble-heading them, making them bigger is a good solution. Like I say, no ill feeling, just not for me if it's a complete standalone game due to scale.
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Well, for me Batman and Hellboy are very close to each other..there are even crossovers and I like to use models also for tabletops. So I’ll keep my pledge and maybe use this as a poorly constructed reason why I must collect some of the shiny weird war stuff in larger scales... lol
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I wonder how these would fit with the DUST minis? Seems like a good opportunity for crossover and about the right scale?
One thing that’s a bit annoying is having to pay for both the plastic minis and then the resin on top. It would be great if you could pick one or the other. Like maybe a resin upgrade option for a bit less. Anyone have a sense as to whether or not the resin will really be all that much better, or is this just an upgrade gimmick? I suppose I will just upgrade the main characters and stick with the plastic for the rest if I dive in.
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IMO just a gimmick, the Hellboy minis are the same quality as the Walking Dead minis which are really good!
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Regarding size and what minis might fit: HeroClix and HorrorClix humans tend to be quite big and once repainted often don't look all that horrible. Admittedly not all are great, but most are at least servicable.
Quickly measured some and the Arkham Asylum Amanda Waller is roughly 33mm in height, Intergang Underboss is just shy off 37mm, Skeletal Maiden (a ghost/ banshee style mini) is 43mm.
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DUST and Clix are two excellent options with a lot of shiny stuff, like Captain America cheaply available at ebay. Thanks guys!
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I've a similar gripe, saw the minis at Salute & they are very nice indeed, but way too big for inclusion in any of my other 28mm gaming (for my taste at any rate). Not being able to use the minis elsewhere puts me off the KS, though if the game turns out to be good in its own right I'll happily shell out once it's released.
It is possible however that they may not look too ridiculous compared with Dust minis (I still think they're bigger, just not so noticeably so) so inclusion in games using those might be possible.
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Hellboy fanboy, I had to ... whatever the mini sizes ... whatever the rules ... I had to
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I ended up dropping out. It got too expensive for all the toys and when there might be scale issues, I want all the toys.
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I am still in, I only ignored the Resin stuff - other wise - all in! :)
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Given that my superhero stuff comes in such a variety of "scale" already, I sticking with it. Also, I'm getting it as a gift now, so I'll happily take it for free. :D
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Another game with giant miniatures. I getting this though, all of it, bar the resin miniatures. It's Hellboy.
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Scale doesn't bother me as there's enough here to play Hellboy with a number of different game systems.
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Well from what I saw on photos and the scale announcements, the mins might be very well in line with all *clix models and many of the recent board games. So while I regret that my 28mm collection won't fit, it's not that bad...