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Title: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: cram on March 10, 2018, 02:22:07 PM
A quick heads up for you guys!

Just read on their Facebook page that they will be starting on Dark Ages  next! No more details as to what exactly.

Good news though  :) :)
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Charlie_ on March 10, 2018, 03:07:32 PM
If this happens, the Gripping Beast dark age plastics are suddenly not going to look so good...
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Captain Blood on March 10, 2018, 03:08:36 PM
Great news.
Gripping Beast’s last few plastic sets have been extremely disappointing as far as I’m concerned. With the bare minimum components and uninspiring figures.
Victrix sets on the other hand, seem to have been getting better and better, so I’m really looking forward to seeing what they’re going to come out with.
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: cram on March 10, 2018, 03:29:00 PM
I'll post when I hear more. They just finalising the ancients their currently working on before switching to the Dark ages. I'm hoping we will see the first set by late summer! Not that they've said as such.

They planning on returning to do ancient Germans, Dacians and Napoleonics at a later date.
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: DonVoss on March 10, 2018, 03:30:52 PM
Looking forward to these sets....:)

Victrix is doing a very fine job lately.
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Antonio J Carrasco on March 10, 2018, 04:21:29 PM
It's nice that the Dark Ages are receiving some love from manufacturers. Between GB, Footsore and now Victrix, we are going to be spoiled for choices
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Ogrob on March 10, 2018, 04:27:39 PM
That is good news. Following them on facebook now. I don't have any Victrix kits as they don't do any of the areas I've been interested in, but their quality has always looked excellent.
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Engel on March 10, 2018, 07:11:07 PM
I see you guys had similar reaction as me... :D

And I was just about to restart my Viking project, sounds promising.
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: OSHIROmodels on March 10, 2018, 07:49:34 PM
Should be good  8)
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Charlie_ on March 10, 2018, 08:07:15 PM
I've long since admired Victrix plastics, but haven't really been into ancients. If their Dark Ages sets are notably superior to the Gripping Beast ones, it would be perhaps enough to get me into a new era!

Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Tonhel on March 10, 2018, 09:36:53 PM
The Victrix plastics are imo the best historical plastic sets. Imo better than Perry HYW/WotR. Certainly better than Fireforge, Conquest and Gripping Beasts.

I wonder what their first sets could be. Normans, Vikings and Saxons are already available, but I am certain Victrix could do better.
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Garanhir on March 10, 2018, 10:15:12 PM
"Victrix Dark Ages"

That sounds positively yummy.
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: cdm on March 11, 2018, 07:46:11 AM
Given how they've pretty much set the standard for chainmail, nude and light cloth in ancients, this was a pretty natural expansion. I can only see this being a good thing for everyone but competitors. I hope they may add in some picts and arabs of some kind.
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Coenus Scaldingus on March 11, 2018, 08:59:10 AM
Had hoped they would squeeze in some Germanic Tribesmen before moving to another period... Ah well, what's another few years?

Enthusiasm for a new range really depends on what it'll entail. If just a few sets, we're likely looking at things mostly covered quite well by some plastic sets and many, many ranges of metals. Less well-trodden ground like plastic Irish or Carolingians would be great however. But I doubt we'll see them anytime soon. Some more unarmoured folk could still be useful though, especially if armed with bows!
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: cram on March 11, 2018, 09:28:18 AM
We're looking at late Dark Age here, in case anyone was wondering if it was late or early Dark Ages, though it has been hinted that they may look at early at a later date.

Even though there's plastics out there Victrix can and I believe will do so much better in quality, and there are a lot of people unhappy with the standard of the competitors current plastics. Victrix is going to come out on top here , competitors might have started first, but I think they will be coming in last.

I imagine they'll do the usual three: Viking, Saxon, Norman. Then switch back to Napoleonics and Ancients to release those Dacians and Germans. After that more dark ages maybe..... That's just me  guessing though.

Whatever the case, I've started the ball rolling here on whats going to be a couple of years of active conversation regarding Victrix's Dark Age releases.
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: cram on March 11, 2018, 09:52:11 AM
Thinking ahead, how will Victrix scale up with Footsore and Colin Patten sculpts I wonder?

I think Footsore and Patten go well together and own both, so I'm hoping Victrix will fit in fine.

Glad I got a big wargames table (well 7ft by 5ft anyway) to accommodate all these figures!
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Captain Blood on March 11, 2018, 10:16:15 AM
The Victrix plastics are imo the best historical plastic sets. Certainly better than Fireforge, Conquest and Gripping Beasts.

Totally agree with that.


The Victrix plastics are imo the best historical plastic sets. Imo better than Perry HYW/WotR.

I really don't agree with that though ;)


I wonder what their first sets could be. Normans, Vikings and Saxons are already available, but I am certain Victrix could do better.

Shame if they're going to do more Vikings etc, although I'm sure they'll be better than what's on offer in plastic at the moment.
If it was me, I'd start at the early end of the period - nobody does Arthurian / Picts / Irish / Early Saxons etc from the post-Roman invasion era in plastic (apart from the somewhat unlovely GB Late Romans I suppose, which could be pressed into service as Romano-British infantry). That would seem to be a quite popular niche Victrix could do well in. They've done Republican Romans and recently their superb Imperial Romans. It would be logical to move onto Late Romans and then the C5th and C6th centuries. Franks, Carolingians, Avars, et al. More late period Vikings and Saxons would be slightly disappointing in some ways. But it will be fascinating to see  :)
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Antonio J Carrasco on March 11, 2018, 10:38:37 AM
Captain Blood has summed up so accurately my own feelings that I have nothing else to say but agree with him wholeheartedly.
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Mick_in_Switzerland on March 11, 2018, 11:05:22 AM
I would like to add my voice to this.
Yes - I think Victrix will do a very good job of dark ages.

And yes - please don's do 1066 Vikings, Saxons and Normans first.

I would love to have some nice earlier Saxon, Carolingian & Lombard infantry and cavalry, which would get double service as LOTR by the book, Rohan etc.

Mick
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: cram on March 11, 2018, 11:08:22 AM
Its later Dark Ages guys, with earlier stuff maybe coming in the future. But I'd think that'd be quite some time in the future considering there's going to be later Dark Age stuff, then Ancient Germans and Dacians, more Napoleonics to come first, that's quite a workload to get through.
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: cram on March 11, 2018, 11:11:48 AM
What I would say is that if everyone on here messaged Victrix to request Early Dark Age, then the chances of them one day doing them, and sooner than later, is greatly increased surely, if they know how strongly the demand is.
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Tonhel on March 11, 2018, 11:56:20 AM
Shame if they're going to do more Vikings etc, although I'm sure they'll be better than what's on offer in plastic at the moment.
If it was me, I'd start at the early end of the period - nobody does Arthurian / Picts / Irish / Early Saxons etc from the post-Roman invasion era in plastic (apart from the somewhat unlovely GB Late Romans I suppose, which could be pressed into service as Romano-British infantry). That would seem to be a quite popular niche Victrix could do well in. They've done Republican Romans and recently their superb Imperial Romans. It would be logical to move onto Late Romans and then the C5th and C6th centuries. Franks, Carolingians, Avars, et al. More late period Vikings and Saxons would be slightly disappointing in some ways. But it will be fascinating to see  :)

I would be happy with early or late Dark Ages. Maybe something more in the middle like the Charlemagne wars. I woudn't mind a couple of boxes of Franks, Slavs, Avars and Moors. :-D

Anyway I am just happy they are doing Dark Ages. It really doesn't matter if 6th or 11th century. I am just happy we will see plastic set for the early middel ages / dark ages not done by Bbob Naismith. ;-)
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: katie on March 11, 2018, 01:28:14 PM
Light archers. Light archers and light horse. Please.

Forces we'd like a lot of and which no-one seems to want to do properly.


Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: aphillathehun on March 11, 2018, 02:42:34 PM

This doesn't excite me personally.  Although, I was wondering whether I could combine heads and shields from the Gripping Beast dark age warriors with the bodies from the Victrix Gauls to make some decent looking Goths.

The Victrix Gauls bodies with different heads would also make Marcomanni from the column of Marcus Aurelius I imagine - not sure what kind of shields those guys should have though.

Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Corso on March 11, 2018, 03:21:55 PM
Very good news - Victrix make very good plastic kits.

Personally, I would like Moors, but I believe Saxons and other 'european' warriors would sell more so it would make sense they would start with them.
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Nord on March 11, 2018, 03:57:47 PM
It would be so good to get some decent plastics for lightly armed Dark Ages troops. Yes, there are some already available, but they are pretty mediocre compared to the Victrix stuff. I don't really mind which era as long as they are well sculpted.
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: grant on March 11, 2018, 04:44:34 PM
I am loving the Victrix stuff lately. The Naps are great but are very heavy in components. My Numidians project seems to be the perfect balance of variety and simple build. And the sculpting is superb.
Very little clean up, a night to build and sometimes I’m priming the same night. If not the next morning.

If they do Dark Ages I’m in trouble...
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: El Grego on March 11, 2018, 04:54:12 PM
Dark Ages figures sound excellent, especially as I am just starting up with Footsore, but I really hope that the next project after this is Persians (as mentioned in the FB post).
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Codsticker on March 12, 2018, 04:10:56 AM
The only Victrix set I have is the Carthagenian Citizen Infantry. The proportions and sculpting is superb but there is not a lot of variety in components; possibly less than Gripping Beast Dark Ages Warriors. It will be interesting if they opt for more variety with the Dark Ages sets.
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Munindk on March 12, 2018, 06:58:53 AM
I dont mind if they make a better version of whats already on the market, but exploring factions/time periods that havent been coveret in plastics would be ideal.

Now, if they would switch from bags to boxes too...
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: WillieB on March 12, 2018, 09:55:46 AM
Totally agree with that.


I really don't agree with that though ;)


Shame if they're going to do more Vikings etc, although I'm sure they'll be better than what's on offer in plastic at the moment.
If it was me, I'd start at the early end of the period - nobody does Arthurian / Picts / Irish / Early Saxons etc from the post-Roman invasion era in plastic (apart from the somewhat unlovely GB Late Romans I suppose, which could be pressed into service as Romano-British infantry). That would seem to be a quite popular niche Victrix could do well in. They've done Republican Romans and recently their superb Imperial Romans. It would be logical to move onto Late Romans and then the C5th and C6th centuries. Franks, Carolingians, Avars, et al. More late period Vikings and Saxons would be slightly disappointing in some ways. But it will be fascinating to see  :)

Absolutely agree! I can at least name 10 companies all making 'Viking' figures, and lets' be fair and saying that a Late Saxon or Anglo Danish figure isn't all that different. Normans, while certainly fascinating, are also a bit 'boring' and like the Vikings available from umpteen manufacturers . But indeed,  everyone seems to shy away from Later  (Gallo) Romans or Franks, Merovingians (or the slightly later Carolingians)  Frisians, Huns, Avars, Burgundians etc. while that is one of the most fascinating periods ever with an enormous potential in figures. And then I haven't even touched on what is called 'the Celtic Fringe'

And while we are walking backward in time- and I know this will probably never happen- how about a generic set of Northern European Bronze age figures to complement that wonderful but alas limited, Foundry range? A good mix of warriors and light troops. Perhaps even some chariots in a separate box?  Put me down for 5-6 boxes. Cuchullain here I come! :)

Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Antonio J Carrasco on March 12, 2018, 10:37:31 AM
Absolutely agree! I can at least name 10 companies all making 'Viking' figures, and lets' be fair and saying that a Late Saxon or Anglo Danish figure isn't all that different. Normans, while certainly fascinating, are also a bit 'boring' and like the Vikings available from umpteen manufacturers . But indeed,  everyone seems to shy away from Later  (Gallo) Romans or Franks, Merovingians (or the slightly later Carolingians)  Frisians, Huns, Avars, Burgundians etc. while that is one of the most fascinating periods ever with an enormous potential in figures. And then I haven't even touched on what is called 'the Celtic Fringe'

And while we are walking backward in time- and I know this will probably never happen- how about a generic set of Northern European Bronze age figures to complement that wonderful but alas limited, Foundry range? A good mix of warriors and light troops. Perhaps even some chariots in a separate box?  Put me down for 5-6 boxes. Cuchullain here I come! :)

Yes, but Victrix will want to make money from their investment, and as much as we would like to see less popular ranges available in Victrix excellent plastics, we must accept the harsh fact that Vikings, Normans or Anglo-Saxons/Danes are more popular and will, possibly, sell better.

Myself? I have my Vikings and Anglo-Saxons almost done, and for Normans I intend to use Footsore's. They are sculpted by Paul Hicks and what it has been shown appeals to my sense of taste. However, those are warbands for Saga. Maybe in the future I will decide to take the leap and use them as core for a bigger project, probably using To the Strongest. In that case, Victrix plastics will come handy.
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Arlequín on March 12, 2018, 11:49:04 AM
With Vikings, Anglo-Saxons & Normans, how far away is 'market saturation'? Victrix are somewhat late to the Dark Ages party and going earlier to break new ground might be a better option.

There is a multitude out there who don't even know they want to game 'Early Dark Ages' yet. The availability of pretty figures can drive period interest for a lot of folk; myself included.
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: arget8 on March 12, 2018, 01:53:01 PM
Despite the fact that I've already pretty much finished my Merovingian Franks (ca. 450-550) I'd love to see new, up to date models for them. I'd probably pick up a box just to supplement what I have or even just for the heads, as my sculpting skills are still a little weak.

I'd much rather see early dark age stuff rather than Viking period stuff, which have just saturated the market. However, I'm not really a fan of Gripping Beast's plastics and I'm sure that Victrix plastics for the period would be much more to my taste.
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Tonhel on March 12, 2018, 04:42:18 PM
@Cram, you relentlessly emailed Vixtrix about a (Late) Dark Ages sets? Any idea what it will be? ;)

I saw on facebook that they were talking about 3-4 sets?

If so I think it could be Normans.

* 1 set archers / crossbowmen
* 1 set light armoured infantry
* 1 set Heavly armoured infantry / dismounted knights
* 1 set cavalry


If so , I hope it fits scale wise V&V miniatures. Imo they have the best Vikings, Saxons and Normans.
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Coenus Scaldingus on March 12, 2018, 05:20:43 PM
I wouldn't expect just a single faction, given that they intend to move (back) to other ranges afterwards. Granted, the Greeks and Macedonians are still waiting for their Persian opponents, but at least they have a habit of fighting each other and themselves.

Despite my earlier voiced hopes, I do expect a revisitation of things already done in plastic (in which case I hope Normans are included, as the Conquest ones are less to my taste than the armoured Saxons/Vikings by GB). A Hastings range perhaps, with Norman knights, Norman infantry with plenty of missile troops and two boxes of Anglo-Saxon infantry - elites and commoners? Add some Saracens to the range and the Normans can double as Crusaders too. The later Anglo-Saxons would be sufficiently different from GB to avoid needless repetition (longer chainmail, different helmets and plenty of big axes), decent plastic archers haven't really been done yet and more unarmoured infantry is always welcome for so many projects.

Perhaps it isn't so bad after all. Even if I'd prefer plastic Irish. Which could also fight the Normans a bit later...
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Captain Blood on March 12, 2018, 06:56:31 PM
I know the dividing lines between periods are supremely fuzzy, but somehow I never think of Normans and Anglo-Danes of 1066 as ‘Dark Ages’. They’re pretty much the start of the Medieval period aren’t they?
When most wargamers (and wargames companies like Victrix?) say Dark Ages, I think they’re generally talking about the period 500 - 1000 ish. Which makes me think Normans are an unlikely candidate for a ‘Dark Ages’ range. But heck, it’s all idle speculation - fun as it is :)

Plastic Picts / Irish would be brilliant and highly useful and versatile for kitbashing ventures of all sorts. One can but dream...
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: cram on March 12, 2018, 07:14:58 PM
Hi Tonhel.

Victrix posted upon March the 10th that they will be releasing Celtic chariots soon and then: 'Victrix will then take a break from Ancients as we will then commence work on a new Dark Age range. For those who want Ancient Germans, Persian, Dacians fear naught as we will be returning to both Ancients and Napoleonics at a later stage'.

On hearing that I posted the news to this forum. Whilst also responding to Victrix post thus: 'All very good news!! As someone very keen on Dark Ages I'm very interested to know more!! Going to be looking at the usual three I imagine: Saxons, Vikings and Normans, but will you be going a step further and release Scots and Welsh?? Both of which are sadly very much neglected' Another poster commented 'Late Romans would be awesome. To be honest I think late Dark Ages with Vikings, Saxons ect. would be a bit lame'.  His comment was met with the response the he will be disappointed then, at least for the time being.

So its 'later' Dark Age for now then, but they haven't answered what exactly!

People are still commenting that they would like Vandals, Huns, Carolinian Franks and Late Romans though.

I've not actually emailed them to ask what we can expect, just transfered what I've read on the Facebook page to here.

Maybe I should prod them with an email!
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: cram on March 12, 2018, 07:24:48 PM
Ok! I've sent them an actual email asking what we can actually expect from them. Hopefully I will get a reply with some details, as things are rather vague right now.
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: bluechi on March 12, 2018, 08:02:21 PM
Miss the alemannen in the list or langobarden.
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: aphillathehun on March 12, 2018, 10:01:36 PM

If I were in the figure making business I would NEVER tell me what I was going to do next  ;)
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Byrthnoth on March 13, 2018, 01:03:20 AM
Victrix have never shied away from making plastic sets for periods/armies just because there were already sets from other manufacturers, so I won’t be too surprised if their first ‘dark ages’ kits are the standard Normans, Vikings and Saxons. In my opinion what’s currently on the market for the period in plastic ranges from ‘barely passable’ to ‘ok, fine, I guess’, so I’m pretty sure victrix will top what I can buy now.
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Dr. Zombie on March 13, 2018, 10:41:36 AM
I am very interested in this. I would like them to do a somewhat generic dark age warrior box. In this period all armies were more or les equally equipped. I would really like to have lots of unarmoured warriors with a spear, helmet and shield.

Curently there is the GB dark age warriors but they to get a bit dull. Because there is only so much you can do with only one arm and the head interchangeable.
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: cram on March 13, 2018, 06:07:35 PM
Had my reply of Victrix earlier today. They are keeping details under wraps for now.
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Tonhel on March 13, 2018, 07:11:32 PM
Had my reply of Victrix earlier today. They are keeping details under wraps for now.

Thank you for the update? Did they mention a possible ETA?

Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: cram on March 13, 2018, 07:51:22 PM
No. But then I didn't ask, should have done  ::)  I know that they still have a few sets of ancients to finish off, running up to June/July which is when they have mentioned releasing Republican Roman Cavalry. I assume after that they will properly focus on Dark Ages stuff, I'd hope we will see some work in development at the very least before the summer is out! Time will tell I guess.
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Iceaxe on March 13, 2018, 10:31:52 PM
Under wraps? I just read their advert in WSS & it says in black on red, Normans, Saxons & Vikings. The date is a bit broader in just being 2018, along with everything else.
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: cram on March 13, 2018, 10:46:09 PM
Really!! That's curious, wonder why they didn't disclose that when I emailed them  ???  ???

Well if that's the case its what I expected, when you looking at the 'late' Dark Age it always is those three, maybe Irish too if your lucky, seems manufacturers then tend have a bit of an aversion to extending the range to encompass other peoples, sadly.
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Calimero on March 13, 2018, 10:50:48 PM

Victrix plastic Napoleonic have a "short legs, long torso" problem IMHO… From what I saw of their Ancient offering, the problem seems to be resolved. Let’s hope their Dark Ages figures won’t have the same issues as their Napoleonic figures :?
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Antonio J Carrasco on March 14, 2018, 05:13:13 AM
So, what we expected, then. And with a release date for end of the year, at the earliest. Possibly, even early 2019. That means that we won't see any Ancient German nor Persian until late 2019 or early 2020 -which is good for me, as I need the time to paint the Romans and Macedonians I already have!-
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Ninefingers on March 14, 2018, 07:02:44 AM
Ergh, more Saxons/Vikings/Normans. I know that Victrix make nice figures but come on, be brave...

Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Griefbringer on March 14, 2018, 09:39:41 AM
Victrix plastic Napoleonic have a "short legs, long torso" problem IMHO… From what I saw of their Ancient offering, the problem seems to be resolved. Let’s hope their Dark Ages figures won’t have the same issues as their Napoleonic figures :?

Napoleonics were the first plastic figures that Victrix released, back in the day. It took quite a while until they got their first Ancients (the Greek sets) out.

I must admit that I have never bought any Victrix figures, but if they are going to do Normans I could be interested - I still haven't managed to convince myself to by the Conquest versions (the infantry sets seems rather limited when it comes to variety).
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Munindk on March 14, 2018, 10:28:57 AM
OK, so we're basically looking at upgrades instead of news. Could be worse, we might finally get some decent dark ages plastic archers :)
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: cdm on March 14, 2018, 11:20:49 AM
Based on this old Oct 2017 FB post

The following sets are either at the design stage or awaiting a design brief:
Republican Roman Cavalry
Celtic War Chariot plus armoured warriors & personality figures
EIR war machines and archers
2/3 sets of ancient cavalry, details to follow
3/4 sets of Dark Age Warriors, details to be announced later
2 sets of 28mm WWII, details to follow
2 new Napoleonic sets, details to follow


The Dark Age release looks limited in intent from the start. No doubt parts from the gaul sets and others could be interchanged a little, I will use them as such anyway plus the chariots as wild warrior support for a Mordred army. I never bought into the other plastic manufacturers for this period, so I am sure I will get into the norman/armoured warrior sets with some excited glee to add to my existing armies.
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Nord on March 14, 2018, 01:29:44 PM
Might finally get those Saxon and Norman armies I wanted but could never find decent figures. I'm happy with this news, even if others want more adventure.
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Tonhel on March 14, 2018, 03:16:41 PM
Napoleonics were the first plastic figures that Victrix released, back in the day. It took quite a while until they got their first Ancients (the Greek sets) out.

I must admit that I have never bought any Victrix figures, but if they are going to do Normans I could be interested - I still haven't managed to convince myself to by the Conquest versions (the infantry sets seems rather limited when it comes to variety).

If I remember correctly those first sets were also traditional sculpted. Now they only sculpt digital.

---

I wouldn't have mind something else than Norman, Saxons and Vikings, but now I will have finally a very nice and consistent Saxon/Norman/Viking range in plastic.. I am not a huge fan of the other plastic Dark Ages offerings.
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Arlequín on March 14, 2018, 03:38:25 PM
I could honestly go for Anglo-Saxons and Normans if there were Welsh to pit them against. I somehow imagine that it won't be a decision I'll have to wrestle with though somehow; it'll be bloody Vikings as usual.

 ::)
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Argonor on March 14, 2018, 06:05:34 PM
I have my hopes up for Norman cavalry.

I cannot bring myself to buy the Conquest set, although I have been wanting to do a Norman warband for SAGA ever since I bought the first edition of the rules, but a nice set of plastic Norman 'knights' would probably bring my mojo back almost instantly.
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: cram on March 14, 2018, 06:18:38 PM
Arlequin if its of any interest I know Footsore have plans to do Welsh soon, Paul Hicks will be sculpting them. They'll be metal though obviously, and they probably going to be early rather than later, with maybe characters for early and late. Hopefully they will go for helmet and other armour styles that fit in comfortably with both early and late. For me the GB ones are far to Roman influenced to be used for later, and I'm not to keen on those sculpts anyway!

Still scratching my head over Victrix being so tight lipped with me in their email, and on the Facebook page for that matter about what they planned to release for the Dark Ages, when they were actually advertising details in a mag!
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Arlequín on March 14, 2018, 10:19:04 PM
I prefer plastics for their versatility, but I'm very much a Paul Hicks fan-boy too, so good news and thanks!  :)
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Whitwort Stormbringer on March 19, 2018, 03:17:01 AM
Well I'm clearly in the minority in that I like that armored GB Vikings & Saxons pretty well, and like the Conquest Norman range too, so my main interest in any Victrix sets is the possibility of Norman light cavalry, Norman heavy infantry, and Norman crossbowmen. I'm also not too big a fan of the GB unarmored warriors, mainly because of the very limited range of poses. Hopefully Victrix will release some more dynamic unarmored warriors.

Beyond personal preference, though, I would in general also like to see them tackle a subject that's not currently represented in plastic. Scots, Irish, and Welsh all spring to mind as sorely lacking without converting, and I'd love plastic sets that cover any of those. With Ancients they did branch out into some previously unrepresented nationalities and troop types, so maybe further on down the road they'll expand into some of those areas.
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Hu Rhu on March 19, 2018, 08:18:54 PM
This may have already been mentioned but their advert on the inside cover of WSS shows their release schedule for 2018 and states that they will be making Dark Age Vikings, Saxons and Normans in that order.

I wouldn't get your hopes up for any others this year.
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Wookington on March 20, 2018, 01:34:39 PM
I'm sure they will be lovely, but it does feel like Vikings and Normans have been well and truly done in both plastic and metal.  What is a shame is I think there are so many other possibilities that don't get done or done nearly as much, Byzantines, Franks, Lombards, Spanish, Welsh, Scots, pretty everything in Eastern Europe of the time. 

As I said, I'm sure what Victrix do will be great, but there has to be a point at which diminishing returns kick in regardless of quality of Viking. 
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: tomrommel1 on March 20, 2018, 02:24:23 PM
sounds promising . Always liked their Napoleonics
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Tonhel on April 14, 2018, 07:19:38 PM
It seems that Victrix at Salute didn't preview their upcoming Dark Ages set? Did someone talked to them at Salute?
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Post by: Argonor on April 14, 2018, 07:29:13 PM
It seems that Victrix at Salute didn't preview their upcoming Dark Ages set? Did someone talked to them at Salute?

I don't think they have anything to show, yet, probably still at the planning/designing stage.
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Post by: Tonhel on April 14, 2018, 07:58:14 PM
I don't think they have anything to show, yet, probably still at the planning/designing stage.

Yes, that sounds plausible. Than I think it will be a very late 2018 release.. or more likely a 2019 release.
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Post by: Griefbringer on April 16, 2018, 10:06:52 AM
My understanding is that Victrix is using digital sculpting for their sets these days, so they cannot just pick three-ups from their table and bring them to the show.
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Post by: Nord on April 16, 2018, 10:43:03 AM
They could easily provide paper/screen prints of their digital sculpting though, as any kickstarter proves. They probably just have not got very far with it as yet.
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Post by: tomrommel1 on April 16, 2018, 02:35:08 PM
I overheard a conversation at Salute at the Victrix stall . They said that Vikings Sxaons and Normans are the first releases in the range.
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Post by: grant on April 16, 2018, 03:26:49 PM
I'm sure they will be lovely, but it does feel like Vikings and Normans have been well and truly done in both plastic and metal.  What is a shame is I think there are so many other possibilities that don't get done or done nearly as much, Byzantines, Franks, Lombards, Spanish, Welsh, Scots, pretty everything in Eastern Europe of the time. 

As I said, I'm sure what Victrix do will be great, but there has to be a point at which diminishing returns kick in regardless of quality of Viking.

I think people keep buying Vikings. Yes, they’re insanely overdone. But the others you mentioned maybe only appeal to those who are doing this period, but almost anyone will buy a Viking...
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Post by: Argonor on April 16, 2018, 03:44:18 PM
I overheard a conversation at Salute at the Victrix stall . They said that Vikings Saxons and Normans are the first releases in the range.

Norman cavalry by any chance?  o_o
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Post by: Hu Rhu on April 16, 2018, 04:29:16 PM
Not this year.   :(    Their list for Dark Ages are Viking, Saxons and Normans in that order.  They are on the end of the queue for 2018.  They are ususally good for release dates but I wouldn't be surprised if the Normans are the very last releases for 2018 or possibly very early 2019.  I wouldn't hold my breath for Norman cavalry this year.
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Post by: Nord on April 16, 2018, 05:53:16 PM
I think people keep buying Vikings. Yes, they’re insanely overdone. But the others you mentioned maybe only appeal to those who are doing this period, but almost anyone will buy a Viking...

But they are not overdone in plastics are they? Gripping Beast do a fairly mediocre set and there's the very bad Wargames Foundry stuff that Warlord are now selling. So Victrix offering some decent plastics (assuming they are up to the standard of their Romans) will certainly turn a few heads. Vikings may be insanely overdone, but they have not yet been done well and cheaply. If Victrix can do that, they will gain loads more customers.
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Post by: Ninefingers on April 16, 2018, 06:20:46 PM
But they are not overdone in plastics are they? Gripping Beast do a fairly mediocre set and there's the very bad Wargames Foundry stuff that Warlord are now selling. So Victrix offering some decent plastics (assuming they are up to the standard of their Romans) will certainly turn a few heads. Vikings may be insanely overdone, but they have not yet been done well and cheaply. If Victrix can do that, they will gain loads more customers.

Most compelling argument that I've heard...
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Post by: Argonor on April 16, 2018, 08:19:11 PM
...and there's the very bad Wargames Foundry Factory stuff that Warlord are now selling.

I think.  :)
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Post by: henryv on April 16, 2018, 10:20:17 PM
I like the the Wargames Factory stuff, The War of the Spanish Succession are fine figures.
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Post by: Johan on April 16, 2018, 11:23:40 PM
Julian told me that this range will not be limited to Normans,Vikings and Saxons.
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Post by: Nord on April 17, 2018, 08:43:35 AM
I like the the Wargames Factory stuff, The War of the Spanish Succession are fine figures.

That's all well and good, but hardly relevant to a dark ages debate.  ;)
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: delbruck on April 20, 2018, 01:11:18 PM
It will be interesting to see what Victrix does with the dark ages. Although Gripping Beast's initial release of Hirdmen and Thegns was pretty good at the time, I have to agree that all their subsequent releases have been mediocre. I regard the Arab, Late Roman, and dark ages warrior boxes as lost opportunities. Apparently, they are willing to spend the money to produce the sprue, but aren't interested in spending money or time in a thoughtful design. Evidence to me is that Victrix does put a lot of effort in the design of their plastic boxes.
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Post by: Coenus Scaldingus on April 20, 2018, 06:06:18 PM
It will be interesting to see what Victrix does with the dark ages. Although Gripping Beast's initial release of Hirdmen and Thegns was pretty good at the time, I have to agree that all their subsequent releases have been mediocre. I regard the Arab, Late Roman, and dark ages warrior boxes as lost opportunities. Apparently, they are willing to spend the money to produce the sprue, but aren't interested in spending money or time in a thoughtful design. Evidence to me is that Victrix does put a lot of effort in the design of their plastic boxes.
GB's Arab cavalry sets are really rather fantastic in terms of bits and poseability, but somehow always get overlooked in this discussion. Downhill from there though. Victrix has a fair number of lesser episoses, like the four sets of Greek armoured hoplites which share 90% of their contents, or the later phalangites/hypaspists that are severely lacking in options, or the new Greek light cav reusing the non-mixable heavy cav horses, but at least the sculpt quality seems to improve generally.

(Just a bit of perspective as I'm getting rather tired of the usual black-and-white picture repeated so often. The only company truly exemplary in all ways is Perry Miniatures as far as I'm concerned, they really keep knocking 'em out of the park.)
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Post by: TheABG on April 22, 2018, 04:04:45 AM
Thinking ahead, how will Victrix scale up with Footsore and Colin Patten sculpts I wonder?

I think Footsore and Patten go well together and own both, so I'm hoping Victrix will fit in fine.

  Yep, I'm in the same boat. I've got a warband of Patten/Saxon  Normans and I'd like to expand on that but I can't bring myself to accept Conquest as a viable option.

  How do the Victrix minis scale in general?
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Post by: Antonio J Carrasco on April 22, 2018, 06:28:22 AM
  Yep, I'm in the same boat. I've got a warband of Patten/Saxon  Normans and I'd like to expand on that but I can't bring myself to accept Conquest as a viable option.

  How do the Victrix minis scale in general?

I have their Macedonians. Compared with Warlords and Aventine Macedonians, they are big 28s.
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Post by: Coenus Scaldingus on April 22, 2018, 12:19:29 PM
I have their Macedonians. Compared with Warlords and Aventine Macedonians, they are big 28s.
Compared to Warlord Games metal or plastic Macedonians? I only have the Victrix plastic Greek hoplites, but those mix in very well with Warlord's plastic Macedonians.
I have only built figures from their ancient Greek line (armoured/unarmoured hoplites, skirmishers w javelins/slings/bows) which are all from the same range and period of production, so I don't know how they might vary. (With digital sculpts I'd imagine they're pretty consistent.)

They're slightly less bulky than the Warlord figures though, and also mix in rather well with Perry Agincourt plastics to give another comparision (though again, I can speak only for the aforementioned Greeks.)
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Post by: Antonio J Carrasco on April 22, 2018, 01:53:53 PM
Compared to Warlord Games metal or plastic Macedonians? I only have the Victrix plastic Greek hoplites, but those mix in very well with Warlord's plastic Macedonians.
I have only built figures from their ancient Greek line (armoured/unarmoured hoplites, skirmishers w javelins/slings/bows) which are all from the same range and period of production, so I don't know how they might vary. (With digital sculpts I'd imagine they're pretty consistent.)

They're slightly less bulky than the Warlord figures though, and also mix in rather well with Perry Agincourt plastics to give another comparision (though again, I can speak only for the aforementioned Greeks.)

Plastics. Put them together and you will notice, but from a distance is barely noticeable. I wouldn't mix them in the same unit, but in different units it is not a problem.
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Post by: AdamPHayes on April 28, 2018, 01:00:32 AM
I like the the Wargames Factory stuff, The War of the Spanish Succession are fine figures.

This is why companies don’t have to bother with getting their plastic sets spot on...
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Post by: Too Bo Coo on April 28, 2018, 01:09:02 AM
I hope they do a great set of Irish/Welsh/Scots....
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Post by: cram on April 28, 2018, 08:58:57 AM
Wouldn't that be something!! I want be holding my breath though.

When it comes to the later Dark Ages manufacturers shy away from any armies other than Viking, Saxon and Norman. It gets a bit boring after a while. Once Victrix release theirs the markets going to be pretty saturated. I'll get a box or two of the Victrix releases, but that will be me done with collecting Late Dark Ages until someone brings out figures for a different army of the period.
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Post by: westwaller on April 28, 2018, 10:29:14 AM
While I don't hate the GB plastic Vikings, I'd be interested to see another companies take on the subject if I offered something different. I would like to see some later Vikings and Saxons- actually they could combine them and have generic Anglo Danes, I guess. Again I don't hate the Conquest Normans but i agree they could be done better.
What is really like are some good plastic Anglo Norman infantry from somebody for the Anarchy and beyond...
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Post by: Bishop Cockthrottle on April 28, 2018, 12:28:34 PM
I always want to see decent generic figures that can be used as dollies for further work. Man in mid-length, long-sleeved tunic, trousers and buskins in active but not extreme poses. Foot and mounted (especially the latter).

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Post by: cram on April 28, 2018, 05:40:01 PM
Hope the Victrix will mix well with Colin Patten and Footsore stuff as that is what my armies are made up of.
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Post by: Siegfried on April 28, 2018, 05:57:49 PM
Wouldn't that be something!! I won't be holding my breath though.

When it comes to the later Dark Ages manufacturers shy away from any armies other than Viking, Saxon and Norman. It gets a bit boring after a while. Once Victrix releases theirs the markets going to be pretty saturated. I'll get a box or two of the Victrix releases, but that will be me done with collecting Late Dark Ages until someone brings out figures for a different army of the period.

Me too! As much as I love the Late Dark Ages, I must admit that now we have quite a saturated market for that period. I would love it if someone dared to venture into the Arthurian period and released a plastic range for that period.

I wonder though, what periods and armies are you, @Cram, interested in having in plastic?

Cheers!
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Post by: cram on April 28, 2018, 06:49:30 PM
I love Zulu War and Mahdist War, the Perry's have some excellent plastics out for them  :)  2nd Afghan War, again the Perry's have some cracking plastic Brits out for that, I'd love them to change their minds and one day do plastic Afghans also.

Late Dark Ages would be Welsh, Scots and Irish. Hell I wish someone would do Welsh and Scots in metal let alone plastic!!

Everything for Early Dark Ages!

Plastic Caesarian Romans and Ancient Germans and Dacians.

I'm sure I'll add more to that wish list over time.

I know some of these are covered already by GB and Warlord, but those aren't to my taste.

I'd also love a bottomless wallet to buy all this stuff, the ability to freeze time to have more time to paint it all, and a bigger table than my current 5 and a half by 9 foot table to field bigger armies on!  lol
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Post by: cram on April 28, 2018, 07:06:44 PM
Anything else you'd like to see in plastic Siegfried other than Early Dark Age?

I've already thought that more plastic American War of Independence by the Perry's would be great and Biblical would be cool!
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Post by: Antonio J Carrasco on April 28, 2018, 08:36:39 PM
Anything else you'd like to see in plastic Siegfried other than Early Dark Age?

I've already thought that more plastic American War of Independence by the Perry's would be great and Biblical would be cool!

Well, Stephen Hales told me in their Facebook that after their experience with the Celtic chariots, the chaps at Victrix are willing to explore the possibility of starting a range of Egyptian and Hittite chariots. Keep your fingers crossed it comes to fruition!
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Post by: cram on April 28, 2018, 10:32:52 PM
That would be brilliant! If it happens we would be looking at quite some time off yet I imagine, which is just as well as I've got enough on the go at the moment as it is!  ::)
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Post by: TheABG on April 29, 2018, 10:26:28 AM
I kinda wish they'd just go a little further forward and do plastic armies for the First Crusade.
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Post by: Siegfried on May 01, 2018, 08:19:31 PM
Anything else you'd like to see in plastic Siegfried other than Early Dark Age?

I've already thought that more plastic American War of Independence by the Perry's would be great and Biblical would be cool!

Those sound like some really interesting box sets, @cram! I am sure they'd be great for kitbashing, especially if the Perrys turn out to release a plastic set of Afghan tribesmen. Let's keep our fingers crossed for that one!

I personally would love it if the Perry twins dared to venture once more into the Elizabethan period. I know they have a line of 40mm Border Reivers models, but I think it would be great if they expanded that to some 28mm metal and plastic ranges. I would buy the heck out of those sets! :D
Also, a nice plastic range for the English Civil War or the Thirty Years' War would be awesome too! It's incredible that the English Civil War, being one of the most popular periods amongst wargamers, doesn't have any plastic sets other than those mediocre Warlord boxes. Again, from an economic point of view, I think that if the Perrys released something of the sort, they would find a great demand for it. I for one would certainly buy quite a few of those.
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Post by: Antonio J Carrasco on May 02, 2018, 06:26:00 AM
Those sound like some really interesting box sets, @cram! I am sure they'd be great for kitbashing, especially if the Perrys turn out to release a plastic set of Afghan tribesmen. Let's keep our fingers crossed for that one!

I personally would love it if the Perry twins dared to venture once more into the Elizabethan period. I know they have a line of 40mm Border Reivers models, but I think it would be great if they expanded that to some 28mm metal and plastic ranges. I would buy the heck out of those sets! :D
Also, a nice plastic range for the English Civil War or the Thirty Years' War would be awesome too! It's incredible that the English Civil War, being one of the most popular periods amongst wargamers, doesn't have any plastic sets other than those mediocre Warlord boxes. Again, from an economic point of view, I think that if the Perrys released something of the sort, they would find a great demand for it. I for one would certainly buy quite a few of those.

I wouldn't say mediocre, but sure there is room for improvement. I also believe that it would be a useful kit, particularly if they include enough heads to make the box work either for ECW or TYW. Alas, I don't think that we will see such a box anytime soon!

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Post by: Griefbringer on May 02, 2018, 02:49:12 PM
Hell I wish someone would do Welsh and Scots in metal let alone plastic!!

Crusader makes a small range of Scots in metal:

http://www.crusaderminiatures.com/list.php?cat=4&sub=48&page=1
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Too Bo Coo on May 02, 2018, 03:00:10 PM
Crusader makes a small range of Scots in metal:

http://www.crusaderminiatures.com/list.php?cat=4&sub=48&page=1

Footsore as well.
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Engel on May 16, 2018, 09:02:30 AM
For those that have missed the news from their facebook page and news letter mail.

I will buy tons of these...  :-*

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" DARK AGES

We have been asked many times why Victrix has chosen to create a Dark Age range when there are so many other manufacturers that already have extensive ranges of Vikings, Saxons, Normans etc established in the wargames market.

This is very true but the way our design team have developed over the past 2 years we really believe we can add a new positive twist to this very popular period. We should have the first Viking renders ready to show in about a week. These are based on the concept sketches illustrated below this text.

Attention to detail such as natural body positions, fabric textures, the way hair looks and hangs, the character in the faces and may other details is what we will focus on to make sure our Dark Age range really stands out. Of course they will also look terrifying.

Initial work has stated on The Vikings and initial thoughts are a set of between 48-56 figures. This would comprise both armoured and unarmoured warriors plus command figures to include nobles, standard bearers, musicians, bersekers and champion figures. Again the command frame would include lots of head, weapon, arm options.

LittleBigMenStudios have committed to producing an extensive range of shield transfers and banners. "

(https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/32381135_1243250259144199_2046847672286969856_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=19250ae176dfa7a04b04188bb71d630a&oe=5B79D4A5)

(https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/32503745_1243250292477529_5682506006240690176_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=c041b06812cbafe85f4c1f37c239b300&oe=5B8ED686)

(https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/32530715_1243250315810860_7745318729096888320_n.jpg?_nc_cat=0&oh=957e6ae8fadbf551388e382e996bef0a&oe=5B989CBF)
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Post by: Sir_Theo on May 16, 2018, 09:33:42 AM
Footsore as well.

The footsore ones are great.

The great thing about this new Vitrix box, with all the options, is that you get an entire Saga warband in a box! I'm not happy with my old awkward GB ones so I'll be upgrading when these come out!
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Post by: bluechi on May 16, 2018, 09:56:45 AM
Vikings.....and i hoped fore some enemys for the late roman empire. Alemans, vandalen, huns, langobarden etc...but...you can not have enough vikings o_o
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Post by: Axebreaker on May 16, 2018, 11:13:56 AM
Quote
Well, Stephen Hales told me in their Facebook that after their experience with the Celtic chariots, the chaps at Victrix are willing to explore the possibility of starting a range of Egyptian and Hittite chariots. Keep your fingers crossed it comes to fruition

That would be cool. 8)

Christopher
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Post by: Tonhel on May 16, 2018, 12:11:16 PM
This is a must have! Looking forward to the first render!
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Post by: Argonor on May 16, 2018, 10:44:17 PM
I think I have enough plastic Vikings, but I might get the Saxons (especially for the unarmoured ones, as the GB Dark Age Warriors are too bland, and without any 'Saxon Characteristics').

Normans, especially mounted knights, on the other hand...  ;D
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Post by: Bloodsbane on May 21, 2018, 01:01:56 PM
Some preview sketches
http://ttfix.blogspot.se/2018/05/victrix-viking-previews.html

(oops, missed that they'd been posted on the previous page)
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: delbruck on May 21, 2018, 01:13:14 PM
I am not a fan of the arm being part of the body, and the joint being at the wrist. It's a weak joint and it limits the poses. Unlike many on this forum, I want to be able to create a shieldwall, with shields to the front and upright spears.
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Post by: fastolfrus on May 21, 2018, 03:21:37 PM
Well, Stephen Hales told me in their Facebook that after their experience with the Celtic chariots, the chaps at Victrix are willing to explore the possibility of starting a range of Egyptian and Hittite chariots. Keep your fingers crossed it comes to fruition!

Egyptians need shed loads of chariots to field a decent force.

I hope they might consider (Roman) racing chariots too. Would love a decent set of plastic chariots for Ben Hur style racing.
Early Greek (Trojan wars) chariots would be another interesting one to see.

I doubt that I'll see either of them in plastic.
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone?? - First render Page 8
Post by: cdm on May 22, 2018, 09:56:26 AM
From Facebook

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So the Dark Age is looming. Our first render is a Viking Bondi warrior. At present the plan is for the main sprue to contain 4 unarmoured warriors and 4 armoured warriors. Currently we are taking a fluid approach to the command frame so no news on this at present.
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Dr. Zombie on May 22, 2018, 10:06:50 AM
They look great. Way better than the GB plastics.
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Post by: Ogrob on May 22, 2018, 10:15:55 AM
That is a must buy for me. Heaps better than GB.
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Post by: Antonio J Carrasco on May 22, 2018, 11:15:50 AM
And this is just one body and two heads combinations. According Stephen Hales there will be another three bodies plus several more heads variants, in the final product.
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Post by: Duncan McDane on May 22, 2018, 01:36:04 PM
These probably will be the first plastic sprues I buy and put together aswell  lol.
Lovely stuff, great designs. And Victrix is quality so a pretty safe buy....
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Post by: Tonhel on May 22, 2018, 03:54:36 PM
Impressive! It seems that Victrix will become the go to for plastic Dark Ages miniatures!
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Tonhel on May 22, 2018, 06:14:23 PM
Yes, they do look good.

But not those shields.
Keep the shields plain and unadorned so that the design can be varied and not every sodding figure has the same sodding shield design.
And no, I shouldn't have to go and buy replacement shields either.

All other Victrix mini's are plain and have an extensive LBM decal / transfer range. So I think the shield design is only for making the render even more beautiful!
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Captain Blood on May 23, 2018, 12:53:56 PM
And this is just one body and two heads combinations. According Stephen Hales there will be another three bodies plus several more heads variants, in the final product.

The Fb quote above seems to suggest 4 unarmoured bodies AND 4 armoured bodies on the main frame? Plus whatever they decide on the command frame.
That sounds like a serious set with a huge amount of flexibility - and makes GB's recent efforts to minimise the number and variety of components in their sets look even more stingy and cynical.

He looks great  :-*
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Post by: cram on May 23, 2018, 07:51:02 PM
Very promising!  :-* :-*

I don't own any Victrix stuff......yet. How big are their figures, will they fit in ok size wise with Footsore stuff for example, anybody know?
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Post by: Captain Blood on May 23, 2018, 11:52:26 PM
Yes, about the same size.
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Post by: Antonio J Carrasco on May 24, 2018, 07:28:40 AM
Very promising!  :-* :-*

I don't own any Victrix stuff......yet. How big are their figures, will they fit in ok size wise with Footsore stuff for example, anybody know?

I am looking right now to one Victrix Macedonian side by side with a Footosore Viking and they are roughly the same size. If their Vikings are the same size as their Macedonians -and nothing suggest otherwise- they will fit perfectly with Footsore's.
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Munindk on May 24, 2018, 07:51:37 AM
All other Victrix mini's are plain and have an extensive LBM decal / transfer range. So I think the shield design is only for making the render even more beautiful!

Victrix has posted on facebook that LBM has comitted to producing shield transfers for their Dark Ages range :)
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Post by: cram on May 24, 2018, 06:09:03 PM
Good news about the size of the figures, thanks for the info guys.

Also very good news about the transfers.

 :) :)
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Post by: Whitwort Stormbringer on May 25, 2018, 07:37:06 AM
That render looks nice, much better than a lot of their ancients, and I can see myself getting some of the Vikings or Saxons depending on the unarmored bodies available in the set.

Personally, I actually kind of like the integrated arm with a separate hand holding a weapon - allows for more natural-looking dynamic poses and easy weapon conversions.

Another big selling point will be the number and diversity of the heads in the set. Honestly that was one of the strongest aspects of the Gripping Beast sets, and I'm always on the lookout for more options.
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: cram on May 25, 2018, 05:53:54 PM
Taken from their Facebook page: Stephen Hales It will be 8 bodies on the main frame and 6 bodies on the command/personality frame and a lot of head varients. We have over 20 heads in the Gallic set so it will be along the same lines as that.
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Post by: Captain Blood on May 25, 2018, 08:17:39 PM
Great stuff. Sounds like an excellent set already. Great to see Victrix raising their game and competing with the best to offer so much built-in variety and potential  :)
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Post by: Axebreaker on May 25, 2018, 11:27:48 PM
Yes indeed I'll be picking up a box! :D

Christopher
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Post by: Antonio J Carrasco on May 26, 2018, 09:05:27 AM
Luckily for me Vikings are first; it would have been Normans and my finances would have been pressed to keep up!
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Argonor on May 26, 2018, 10:17:40 PM
Luckily for me Vikings are first; it would have been Normans and my finances would have been pressed to keep up!

Hear, hear!  ;D
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: cdm on June 01, 2018, 10:41:33 AM
From fakenewsbook:

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Ahha, we finally have the second render of an unarmoured Viking for our forthcoming Dark Age range.

Before we get a deluge of messages/posts asking why are we not doing armoured Vikings, well we are going to do armoured Vikings. The set will contain both unarmoured and armoured figures plus a yet to be decided command element.

Speaking with the designer in chief yesterday we touched on potentially using this set as a basis for creating a Rus set by changing elements such as shields and helmets. More on this in the future.

This is Bondi figure 2. He is un-armoured and has a choice of weapons and alternative shield arms and heads. He has a great dynamic pose but will also rank up well.

I dropped out the hand sketches for future figures from the original post as pointless until renders are done.

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Post by: Tonhel on June 01, 2018, 04:15:03 PM
Those look incredible!
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Post by: Dr. Zombie on June 01, 2018, 05:40:14 PM
Amazing!

The posibility of plastic Rus sent my credit card on fire!
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Post by: cram on June 02, 2018, 07:04:58 AM
Fantastic!!  :-* :-*

Watching these like a hawk and hoping they see release before the end of year.
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Post by: Duncan McDane on June 02, 2018, 01:34:17 PM
Gorgeous. And indeed, those unarmoured bodies scream Baltic Vikings/Pagans to me. Nice addition to the Gripping Beast Pagan Rus set...  :)
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Post by: Argonor on June 03, 2018, 06:48:16 PM
Rus, why? I don't see any baggy trousers, here.  :?
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Post by: Nord on June 04, 2018, 01:20:13 PM
Rus, why? I don't see any baggy trousers, here.  :?

It's madness.
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Post by: cdm on August 08, 2018, 11:29:56 AM
I haven't really bothered to try and keep this topic updated with news as they drip feed a render every few weeks or more on facebook, and then fluff it out further with hand drawn sketches of what they think they'll make, but what is of interest is that they give a nominal release date for the viking set for early 2019. When they do eventually get a good set of renders together I'll drag them over to keep the topic updated. The release pace of renders feels glacial to me, but I'm not in the biz or even following plastic releases in general all that closely, so maybe it is really fast in comparison to everyone else. I will say though in case it seems I'm being negative, the renders they are releasing are indicative of a very good final product at release.

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Post by: Coenus Scaldingus on August 08, 2018, 05:18:10 PM
Thanks for the reminder, I hadn't checked in with the progress for some time. The few finished figures certainly look promising, with poses that work well for swords, axes, spears and some two-handed axes too of course. A fair amount of variation in helmets and a lot of properly hairy heads. Sadly, they have continued with the same chainmail design they used previously; horizontally a row of holes, overlapping vertically. If ever decent chainmail should be possible, I had hoped it would be in digital sculpts, especially for a chainmail-heavy period like the dark ages. They'll look great from a distance, but just wrong up close.
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Post by: Siegfried on August 10, 2018, 11:59:24 PM
Thanks for the reminder, I hadn't checked in with the progress for some time. The few finished figures certainly look promising, with poses that work well for swords, axes, spears and some two-handed axes too of course. A fair amount of variation in helmets and a lot of properly hairy heads. Sadly, they have continued with the same chainmail design they used previously; horizontally a row of holes, overlapping vertically. If ever decent chainmail should be possible, I had hoped it would be in digital sculpts, especially for a chainmail-heavy period like the dark ages. They'll look great from a distance but just wrong up close.

I agree, but just out of curiosity, what do you think the best digitally-sculpted chainmail would look like? So far, the best-sculpted chainmail I've seen is found in Tom Meier's superb sculpts for Dark Sword Miniatures. I really hope that in the near future some talented sculptor will make plastic figures in that style. Cheers!
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Post by: Coenus Scaldingus on August 11, 2018, 09:56:43 AM
Some poor wording on my part there, by no means did I mean to say decent chainmail would be achievable only digitally. In fact, the best sculpted chainmail I know of is indeed made through traditional sculpting - the first names springing to mind also being Meier and the Perry Twins. The former is simply unsurpassed, as good as it gets while being castable, combining the right pattern (CCCCC and reverse) with the smallest size I've seen so far. A similar level of detail is possibly not doable in plastic, but the Perry plastics probably showcase the best possible result there - similar idea, albeit with larger links.

What I mainly meant to say, was that most plastic sets prominently featuring chainmail are so often let down by the quality of that sculpted chainmail. Fireforge's Scandinavians, Conquest's Knights, Victrix' Romans. Warlord's Caesarians Romans are okay I think, while Gripping Beast's Vikings seem alright, but some of the sleeves are off with seemingly links of different sizes. (None of the Perry sets have a lot of chainmail - still hoping they'll one day create plastics for their Crusader range though!)
Anyway, as sculpting chainmail is quite a pain, I imagine (and imagine it is - I don't have a clue how digital sculpting works) it would be possible to somewhat copy the patterns in the digital medium, thus having much more consistent results while being a lot less effort to produce. In other words, my previous message should more accurately have read: if ever it could be relatively easy to mass-produce good looking chainmail, I had imagined to see it in digital sculpts. And given the prominence of chainmail in this period, I'm sad to both not see it, and as such won't expect to see it for the other upcoming boxes in the range either. (And with that, am still hoping for Perry plastic Crusaders/Saracens. I'd get two extra jobs to purchase an enormous amount of those, then retire early and do nothing but work with those kits. Well, one can dream...)
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Post by: Captain Harlock on August 11, 2018, 04:17:27 PM
I dont know anything about digital sculpting, but im intrigued to know more in the future. But what i know is that chainmail is a major pain in the A even in digital painting where you can have a brush made of cccccc and reverse. Its crazy work and most of all boring as hell, thats why many people cheat with photo textures.
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Post by: Engel on August 15, 2018, 10:25:33 AM
https://www.facebook.com/victrixlimited/posts/1331084993694058 (https://www.facebook.com/victrixlimited/posts/1331084993694058)

Quote
A further quick update:

The 3rd armoured viking figures is now finished and the final 4th figure is underway...

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And some more pictures at:
https://www.facebook.com/pg/victrixlimited/photos/?ref=page_internal (https://www.facebook.com/pg/victrixlimited/photos/?ref=page_internal)
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Post by: Romark on August 15, 2018, 11:14:25 AM
These are really tempting  :)
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Post by: Kitsune on October 10, 2018, 07:50:28 PM
These look much better than the gripping beast ones, which sat unloved and unused in my cupboard for about 5 years before being binned.
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Post by: Captain Blood on October 11, 2018, 07:36:20 AM
Looking fabulous.

The only thing that bothers me is that the helmets look a bit too big and top heavy. A bit too dome-like and not quite as pointy as they should be...
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Post by: Arlequín on October 11, 2018, 10:12:04 AM
Maybe they need to be so they can tuck their long hair into them... if they had long hair that is.  ;)

The way the neck joins the body looks 'off', as well as the helmet. Otherwise they look reall good.  :)
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Post by: Nord on October 11, 2018, 11:00:41 AM
A must have for me. The necks do look a bit long, but it might not be as pronounced once they are plastic (and if it is, easy to fix with a knife or file).

These are just so much better than most other stuff on the market - in my eyes. Cannot wait. They have also posted pictures of the Saxons concepts on their facebook page - https://www.facebook.com/victrixlimited/ (https://www.facebook.com/victrixlimited/)
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Post by: aircav on October 11, 2018, 11:51:09 AM
These are looking really good  8) 8)
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Post by: Siegfried on October 11, 2018, 07:59:46 PM
Here are some of the latest sketches for the new Saxon figures from Victrix. Enjoy!
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Post by: tomrommel1 on October 12, 2018, 08:07:04 AM
the sketches look amazing
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Post by: Arthadan on October 12, 2018, 10:07:59 AM
Looking great, I'll keep an eye on this thread.
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Post by: Siegfried on October 12, 2018, 06:55:15 PM
Victrix has announced on their Facebook page that, before releasing their Saxon figures, they will be sculpting some Saxon/Viking archer models. Apparently, they'll accompany those archers with some casualty figures as well.

This range looks quite promising, to say the least. I can't wait to get my hands on these figures! :D

LINK to the Facebook post here: https://www.facebook.com/victrixlimited/ (https://www.facebook.com/victrixlimited/)
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Post by: Bindonblood on October 12, 2018, 08:11:22 PM
I don't like the Saxon's short sleeve jacket. I've not actually seen any evidence for these, has anyone?

If it wasn't for that, I buy them without hesitation. With them I'll have to have serious thoughts about them...
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Post by: Duncan McDane on October 13, 2018, 09:50:34 AM
I feeel they should drop the gambeson; not a fan of those on Northwestern European warriors before about 900 AD.
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Post by: Arlequín on October 13, 2018, 10:40:20 AM
As the range appears to be Vikings, Saxons and Normans, it is to be assumed they represent the 11th Century.
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Post by: Nord on October 13, 2018, 11:31:32 AM
From the facebook page:-

These are 10th to 11th Century Saxons so the Gambesson is not out of place. Earlier Saxons will come at a later date.

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Post by: Mr.J on October 13, 2018, 04:25:51 PM
I’m really excited about these. I already have countless vikings but will no doubt get more when these are released.

I really like the gambesons. I’d rather have some decent later Vikings and Saxons (don’t get me started on Normans!)
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Post by: Siegfried on October 13, 2018, 09:50:40 PM
I personally like the fact that they've included a couple of bodies with gambesons. They will be very useful for kitbashing.

From the facebook page:-

These are 10th to 11th Century Saxons so the Gambeson is not out of place. Earlier Saxons will come at a later date.



Does that mean that they'll be doing an Early Saxon box set after they've finished working on these ones?
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Post by: Argonor on October 14, 2018, 12:34:06 AM
I personally like the fact that they've included a couple of bodies with gambesons. They will be very useful for kitbashing.

Does that mean that they'll be doing an Early Saxon box set after they've finished working on these ones?

They said they will at a later time.
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Post by: Engel on October 15, 2018, 11:31:10 AM
"This is the fifth and penultimate Viking command figure. One more berserker and then the Viking set will move to the tooling stage."

https://www.facebook.com/victrixlimited/photos/pb.486367914832441.-2207520000.1539599371./1376011122534778/?type=3&theater (https://www.facebook.com/victrixlimited/photos/pb.486367914832441.-2207520000.1539599371./1376011122534778/?type=3&theater)

(https://scontent-arn2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/44065439_1376011125868111_2597048247218339840_o.jpg?_nc_cat=104&_nc_eui2=AeEDfWukgSNRsg7_BCxiUZjh8EPvyskg-xOkg7LZaaq6GO-GihKItWPTczYbgLzx4UV_sUojwjTsK6mb9inzu2TfuaAkTZDZKmzR-97rDZuyGQ&oh=ee7641daad12e39549b59c68a16e2c32&oe=5C5D82DD)
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Post by: Captain Blood on October 15, 2018, 12:37:41 PM
Wow :-*
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Post by: Atheling on October 15, 2018, 01:52:42 PM
Wow :-*

Quite!  :-*

Though I do have a zillion Anglo Saxons, Anglo-Danes, Norse, Norse Irish, Welsh, Sub Romans well as Normans thus far unpainted! Still, what would it hurt to indulge?  lol

D
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Post by: Argonor on October 15, 2018, 05:39:06 PM
Well, I know it is widely used by viking fight reenactors (for obvious reasons), but is there actually any evidence of that kind of mail 'veil' attached to helmets being used in the Dark Age??
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Post by: Mr.J on October 15, 2018, 07:41:14 PM
If you look earlier you find the Valsgarde helmet which is 8th century.

Lots of reenactors use the Chernaya Mogila helmet as evidence of this but as far as I can tell there’s nothing to support this, equally there’s also nothing against it either. Arguably the Gjermundbu helmet could also have had this kind of face protection. Both of these helmets show evidence of having a maille aventail and there’s nothing to say this didn’t protect the face as well as the neck.

Hell there are remains from bog standard nasals that also show evidence of rivets and holes that indicate the inclusion of a aventail which in theory again could have covered the face.

There isn’t a great deal in the archaeological record for Viking Age helmets, most are too early, too late, fragmentary or geographically too far removed.
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Post by: cdm on October 16, 2018, 09:26:32 AM
I concur with a previous comment somewhere about the lazy way the chainmail links are done, but with my painting skills and eyesight, it's hardly relevant for me to fuss over. I hope at some point they make some effort to drape chain realistically just for academia and pro painter's sake :)

It looks like I'm going to have a ridiculously long wait for the normans to get released at the current pace of render releases :(


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Post by: Argonor on October 16, 2018, 01:46:25 PM
I thought so - there seems to be two 'schools' of interpreting archaeological evidence and/or the lack of it. One where the lack of findings indicate that it can not have existed - I have heard a Swedish archaeologist state that Vikings rarely used helmets, based on the few findings, and I think that is completely bonkers, equivalent to stating that most Roman Legionnaires fought without armour because only a few sets of armour having survived (I know there is other indications of Legionnaire armour, but imagine there wasn't); iron rusts and disappears, and lots of armour, helmets and weapons may have been altered and/or reforged down through the ages - and then there's the one that involves a lot of guessing, extrapolating, and experimental archaeology.
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Post by: Arlequín on October 17, 2018, 05:42:52 AM
After a shield, headgear is the next most crucial protective item... unless of course Dark Age warriors went into battle shouting "not the head, not the head".

   ;)

Even if metal was hard to come by, or those skilled in working it few and far between, even the shoddiest non-metallic materials would be preferable to nothing at all.
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Post by: cram on October 18, 2018, 10:53:18 PM
All looking very exciting!

Plenty to look forward to in the future with an Arthurian range planned, and I'm pretty sure  I was told in conversation a while back that Late Roman and Arabs are also in the pipeline!
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Post by: Atheling on October 19, 2018, 04:02:19 AM
All looking very exciting!

Plenty to look forward to in the future with an Arthurian range planned, and I'm pretty sure  I was told in conversation a while back that Late Roman and Arabs are also in the pipeline!

I've got so many Sub Roman and Early Medieval miniatures the very thought of their being cheap quality plastics out there has me worried!!  lol

Seriously though, they look great and if the final product matched th mock ups they will be quality  8).

Darrell
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Post by: Tonhel on December 22, 2018, 11:20:45 AM
(https://scontent-bru2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/48424890_1424162034386353_7643890228838531072_o.jpg?_nc_cat=110&_nc_ht=scontent-bru2-1.xx&oh=9dd4ae1c09bea9d8ce8e132c19e754a0&oe=5C9E0A13)

Magnificent! I love it!
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Post by: Captain Blood on December 22, 2018, 01:16:55 PM
I love much about these. But there’s something about the round helmet and the coifs that really doesn’t look right. I’ve thought the same thing through all the preview pics of the renders so far.

Let’s hope the finished product is better. They did an outstanding job with the EIR helmets,so I can’t see why they wouldn’t be able to get these much simpler Dark Ages helmets right. But at the moment, far too many of them look too pot-like and top heavy...  :?
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Post by: Bloggard on December 22, 2018, 02:07:53 PM
they look good.

but so many modern sculpts continue to have the 'short legs' syndrome (to my eye anyway) ? Bit squat (and often v. squat!).
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Post by: Duncan McDane on December 22, 2018, 04:07:40 PM
They'd look great in dark medieval Fantasy settings, as some guardians of an evil baron or so. But on those the heads + headgear are a tad big and The nasal helmet looks late Dark Age and the Spangenhelm a missmatch of styles, periods and size. But we'll see what the finished product will look like...
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Post by: cram on December 22, 2018, 04:44:44 PM
Captain Blood you make a good point about the helmets. I do really like these though and I'll be adding a box or two of each set to my armies.

Once Victrix have released their Anlgo Saxons, Vikings and Normans the markets going to be pretty saturated with these three and I hope manufacturers will start focusing on figures for other Late Dark Age armies.

I'm lucky enough to have a fairly big wargames table but once I've added Vicrtrix's offerings to my armies they will be as big as I can make them, without them starting to crowd the table. So regardless of future releases for these 'usual three' Later Dark Age armies Victrix's will be my last purchases. I'll live in hope that a manufacturer produces Scots and Welsh, so I can work on these armies one day. Until then I think I'll look at Late Roman and 'Arthurian'.
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Post by: Tonhel on December 22, 2018, 06:20:26 PM
I think that helmet / coif thing will not be noticable when it's a transformed in an actual 28mm mini.

What I was told at Crisis was that when the first three ranges sell well. They will expand to Pagan Rus, Picts and etc.. .
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Post by: Argonor on December 22, 2018, 10:47:43 PM
But when do we see mounted milites....?  :'(
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Post by: Breazer on December 23, 2018, 11:12:25 PM
I just really like these. It looks so much better than most other miniatures out there... especially compared to other plastic kits.
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Post by: Breazer on January 09, 2019, 10:51:29 PM
News from Victrix. These are going to be the viking sprues

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(https://scontent-amt2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/49637471_1437813293021227_5559180401202692096_n.jpg?_nc_cat=106&_nc_ht=scontent-amt2-1.xx&oh=476378c910d03270948bfc84ebc99421&oe=5CD42098)

The command sprue is likely to follow next month.
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Post by: Codsticker on January 10, 2019, 03:47:17 AM
A great variety of head- the sprue looks excellent. Judging by the bodies, you might even be able to mix up the arm options a bit with pieces from other kits.
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Post by: tomrommel1 on January 10, 2019, 06:38:56 AM
looking really good indeed
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Post by: Breazer on January 10, 2019, 08:16:37 AM
I understand it takes long but i'm a bit sad it will be at least untill februari before they are ready for selling. I'm really impatient when it comes to getting my hands on these minis.
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Post by: Nord on January 10, 2019, 08:50:50 AM
Interesting to see the arm cut off mid bicep, where the mail ends basically. Alleviates the shoulder join we sometimes get on plastic kits. Clever stuff, but so simple you wonder why it hasn't been done before - or maybe it has, I don't buy much plastic historical.

Looking forward to these so much, I was hoping for a Vapnartak release, but having waited years for decent plastics, I can wait a couple more months.  :)
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Post by: Munindk on January 10, 2019, 09:29:41 AM
Conquest games did the same thing with their normans :)

One of the oft voiced critiques of the Conquests plastics is the lack of compatibility with other plastic sets because of their arms. Looks like they're now compatible with Vitrix.

It limits the poseability of the miniatures, but for chainmail I think thats an OK trade of as its a pain to resculpt.

The terrible shoulder joins are one of my main issues with Oathmark dwarfs.
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Post by: Griefbringer on January 10, 2019, 12:23:16 PM
Besides the Conquest Normans, the elbow split for the arms can also be seen in some recent Gripping Beast cavalry sets (e.g. Late Roman cavalry).

Outside historicals, the GW Bretonnian infantry (2003 release) also uses similar structure - not sure if any later GW set repeated it.
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Post by: Captain Blood on January 10, 2019, 03:32:31 PM
Can't be doing with the half arms - that's disappointing :(
As said, they severely limit the kit-bashing potential with other manufacturers and sets, and even what you can to with the figures within the set itself. Couldn't get on with the Conquest figures because of that - although these look to be way better figures. The Conquest archers in particular were extremely crudely done with some very weird poses and stances as a result.

Against that, eight figures and a good variety of heads arms and accoutrements on the frame is pretty generous compared to some recent cheapskate offerings from Gripping Beast and Fireforge, so well done for that Victrix. Not quite Perry standards of generosity with as many as 14 different bodies in some recent sets. But then we have yet to see what's on the command frame for this set.

I'm sure I'll get a box anyway. But speaking as someone who has done a huge amount of modelling and kit-bashing with 28mm 'historical' plastics over the last few years, I've never had a problem with shoulder joints, not even on the unclad Perry Zulus, so I really wish they'd just gone the orthodox route with these and done whole separate arms... But we shall see how they work out in practice.

I do also like the fact that they've included some differently sized shields. That's a nice touch. I doubt dark age shields were all exactly uniform in size.
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Post by: aphillathehun on January 10, 2019, 04:47:56 PM
Can't be doing with the half arms - that's disappointing :(

Indeed.

I've never had a problem with shoulder joints, not even on the unclad Perry Zulus, so I really wish they'd just gone the orthodox route with these and done whole separate arms... But we shall see how they work out in practice.


The naked torso Gauls that Victrix did are seamless at the shoulder join, so that's not really an issue.  Out of the 50 or so I've assembled so far, I've only needed to stick some filler in one figure and my guess is if I'd noticed when I stuck it together I wouldn't have had to do that....

Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Whitwort Stormbringer on January 10, 2019, 05:19:25 PM
Several Victrix ancients also use the integrated shoulder/partial separate arm approach.

For my part, I don't find them terribly difficult to kitbash - arms from other sets just need to be clipped at the appropriate place, and their arms can be added to other kits with a little greenstuff or spare plastic bits.

Posability is an issue, though, and I have to agree that I generally haven't had issues with the traditional separate shoulders on other models. The poses look fine, but I like customizability in plastics.
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Coenus Scaldingus on January 11, 2019, 05:27:43 AM
I can see cutting the arms below the short sleeves being the right call for chainmail though; that tends to be the most noticeable and worst to fix gap on other sculpt with the same issue. Why they cut off a few other arms at the shoulder or hand seems strange though. Looking at the posing of the figures, there doesn't seem to be anything that couldn't have been achieved with a more uniform cut-off point.

Also looking at all the poses, it's a shame all but one have the right shoulder raised. That is something you won't fix with little effort and some putty any time soon. Great for shieldwalls, but if you want some people more standing around, marching or just in a different pose (raising the shield, a low strike), good luck...
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Munindk on January 11, 2019, 06:47:21 AM
With their EIR romans they did an advancing set and an attacking set. I'm guessing was to allow natural looking poses for both action and more relaxed soldiers. For vikings it would be nice to have a running set and a shieldwall set.

Generally I like the regular shoulder join, its only on models in chainmail that the elbow join makes sense to me.
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Post by: Breazer on January 12, 2019, 09:53:59 AM
Can't be doing with the half arms - that's disappointing :(
As said, they severely limit the kit-bashing potential with other manufacturers and sets, and even what you can to with the figures within the set itself. Couldn't get on with the Conquest figures because of that - although these look to be way better figures. The Conquest archers in particular were extremely crudely done with some very weird poses and stances as a result.

Against that, eight figures and a good variety of heads arms and accoutrements on the frame is pretty generous compared to some recent cheapskate offerings from Gripping Beast and Fireforge, so well done for that Victrix. Not quite Perry standards of generosity with as many as 14 different bodies in some recent sets. But then we have yet to see what's on the command frame for this set.

I'm sure I'll get a box anyway. But speaking as someone who has done a huge amount of modelling and kit-bashing with 28mm 'historical' plastics over the last few years, I've never had a problem with shoulder joints, not even on the unclad Perry Zulus, so I really wish they'd just gone the orthodox route with these and done whole separate arms... But we shall see how they work out in practice.

I do also like the fact that they've included some differently sized shields. That's a nice touch. I doubt dark age shields were all exactly uniform in size.


you could always cut the shoulder part off to create different poses with other plastics. So it will be a little bit of a one way conversion streak but you can get creative and still get a lot from this kit i'd say.
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Post by: Breazer on April 14, 2019, 12:15:59 PM
Victrix post some updates every now and then on facebook. I havent been able to get a reply on when we can expect to see the miniatures in their physical shape. Does anyone have more info or a good estimation on this?
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Ogrob on April 14, 2019, 12:26:09 PM
Just spotted a reply from them saying 2-4 weeks on the Vikings and 6-8 on the saxons.
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Post by: Tonhel on April 15, 2019, 08:36:26 AM
Here are the latest renders for the Saxon command frame.  :-*

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(https://scontent-bru2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/57198804_1505429946259561_4930770992956964864_o.jpg?_nc_cat=107&_nc_eui2=AeHETsGLNfJJIJzSpEBQ2q-mQSsT5c79O_sqKQxEMZb8DaEKAqC-xJIAgrOOzwdvbemHbGNhsIzujRo9m0m5HeDidBvCcR7AESZHq1afM10Vmw&_nc_ht=scontent-bru2-1.xx&oh=37e401570ff8b15192fd652c541a2891&oe=5D327B34)
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: aphillathehun on April 15, 2019, 11:46:02 PM
I've been waiting all year for them to do another free shipping offer.  I guess business is good enough now they don't need to provide such an incentive.
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: bluewillow on April 18, 2019, 06:43:29 AM
I am looking forward to these to build my Bretons and Anjou-Maine armies, best get my gripping beast plastic stuff painted and sold! lol

Cheers
Matt

Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Tonhel on April 22, 2019, 12:14:29 PM
Saxon Huscarles:

One word: Magnificent!

(https://scontent-bru2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/57462773_1511388902330332_7205342229324365824_o.jpg?_nc_cat=101&_nc_ht=scontent-bru2-1.xx&oh=50cf24307674db9095974244d90970a7&oe=5D3CD3A6)
(https://scontent-bru2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/57564737_1511388888997000_2811605881110659072_o.jpg?_nc_cat=109&_nc_ht=scontent-bru2-1.xx&oh=a65c10a318b596b2add6d1a5e4dc1a1a&oe=5D347576)
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Condottiere on April 23, 2019, 03:36:58 AM
I don't like the mail: it looks like spaced out washers or scale armor, though tidier than a certain GW figure.
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Cyrus the Great on April 23, 2019, 05:17:06 AM
I like these. Victrix are late to the game, but I'll buy boxes of all their Dark Ages releases.
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Captain Harlock on April 24, 2019, 11:31:35 AM
I don't like the mail: it looks like spaced out washers or scale armor, though tidier than a certain GW figure.

I agree, whats the point of digital sculptsif you cant have some decent chainmail....
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: cdm on April 25, 2019, 03:22:43 AM
The chainmail is so lazy you'd think they've never actually seen it in a computer game, tv show, or in the real world, and they got an idea of what it might from a drunken conversation in a pub after a great footy win and are working from that mental image.

Out of all the work they do, the chainmail is so lazy and poorly done it beggars belief in this day and age.

I like the figures though :)
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Tonhel on April 25, 2019, 08:21:14 AM
I agree that the chainmail is the weakest part of the mini, but overall these are imo the best plastic mini's for Vikings / Saxons yet.

It's the same chainmail as used on the EIR Auxiliaries and when painted it looks good.
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Tonhel on April 26, 2019, 02:54:35 PM
The Vikings can be pre-ordered! :-*

(https://scontent-bru2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/58440155_1514515125351043_4885310907317485568_o.jpg?_nc_cat=109&_nc_ht=scontent-bru2-1.xx&oh=46684ad2346f324daa78609a2c114350&oe=5D2987B3)
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Calimero on April 26, 2019, 04:27:28 PM
I agree that the chainmail is the weakest part of the mini, but overall these are imo the best plastic mini's for Vikings / Saxons yet.

It's the same chainmail as used on the EIR Auxiliaries and when painted it looks good.

That's probably why they are made that way... regarding the quality of the sculpting in general, I don't think that the "poor" depiction of a chainmail is something they overlook. More like a way to represent it in a way that will "look good on the table top", IMHO.
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Antonio J Carrasco on April 27, 2019, 08:12:11 AM
That's probably why they are made that way... regarding the quality of the sculpting in general, I don't think that the "poor" depiction of a chainmail is something they overlook. More like a way to represent it in a way that will "look good on the table top", IMHO.

Agreed. Once painted it won't be an issue, and these aren't finished models so they still have time to modify it.
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Tonhel on April 27, 2019, 10:23:59 AM
Agreed. Once painted it won't be an issue, and these aren't finished models so they still have time to modify it.

Yes, they are finished. I already pre-ordered a box.

I think once the chainmail is painted it's fine. Imo the best range of plastic Vikings yet.

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0782/9619/products/VIKING_GROUP_1.jpg?v=1556280028)
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Antonio J Carrasco on April 27, 2019, 02:21:49 PM
Yes, they are finished. I already pre-ordered a box.

I think once the chainmail is painted it's fine. Imo the best range of plastic Vikings yet.

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0782/9619/products/VIKING_GROUP_1.jpg?v=1556280028)

I thought they were renders, not the finished product.
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Duncan McDane on April 27, 2019, 02:24:02 PM
I'm sold. Really like their poses, the detail. Probably will end up with at least one box of each...
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Ogrob on April 27, 2019, 02:31:56 PM
I thought they were renders, not the finished product.

The Saxons above are renders. The Vikings were just posted to Victrix facebook, and that last shot is real plastic. They're up for pre-order now.
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: cdm on April 27, 2019, 02:39:40 PM
The post image is a test shot of the final product from their Facebook post. In the final product the straight lines of chainmail that run across the body then straight along bent arms is still there, but less pronounced than the initial renders.

Roman image included for comparison

I thought they were renders, not the finished product.

Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Condottiere on April 28, 2019, 01:56:29 AM
The post image is a test shot of the final product from their Facebook post. In the final product the straight lines of chainmail that run across the body then straight along bent arms is still there, but less pronounced than the initial renders.

Roman image included for comparison

Looks the same to me... :-I

The Roman Auxiliary's mail looks better, so what happened this time? Seems like the Nordics are wearing off the rack mesh shirts at a rave. lol Didn't notice it in my last post, but what's with the v-neck like border? I know of some mail shirts, usually Eastern ones, with a slit around the neck area and a means of fastening, but I've never seen something like this on Western Dark Age mail and the same applies to the vandyked border on the lower half. It looks like whoever did the render grafted the rings onto a regular shirt and didn't alter the neck opening. Am I the only one fed up with these pendants? What if I wanted to use these figures as Christian Vikings or Pagan Saxons? Unless it's an historical personality, leave the religious iconography for the customer!

I sold off most of my Gripping Beast Hirdmen sprues, as they looked staid, but those had much more "natural" looking mail and so did the preceding Perry WotR/Continental Mercs: those also have staggered not joined rings, but they go in alternating directions, giving the impression of connected pieces. This is the sort of quality that GWanboys lambaste, despite looking no different... lol

I'll eventually pick up a box, since I like the dynamic poses and bits of gear, but expected better... :-[
     
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Harry Faversham on April 28, 2019, 08:03:03 AM
Any tips for painting said (and controversial) chainmail?

 :)
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Breazer on April 28, 2019, 08:44:00 AM
I really dont think the mail will be that much of an issue once you have the mini's in front of you.  I will surely pick up some of these. So looking forward to a kit that doesnt require a ton of modifying to look nice.
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Siegfried on May 27, 2019, 06:25:31 AM
Here are painted versions of the new Viking miniatures recently posted on the Victrix Facebook page.

(https://scontent.faep9-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/61070977_1537835746352314_7595937451554635776_n.jpg?_nc_cat=100&_nc_ht=scontent.faep9-1.fna&oh=3b696eab122bb3eafc5d41baeaef3892&oe=5D5B676E)
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Breazer on May 27, 2019, 07:06:47 AM
These look great and very much like the guy who paints the footsore miniatures too. Looking forward to getting mine!
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Munindk on May 27, 2019, 08:03:39 AM
Any tips for painting said (and controversial) chainmail?

 :)
I dont think this chainmail is any different then other chainmail to paint.

Either prime it black and drybrush with the metal colour of your choice or prime white then paint with a dark metal colour of your choice, apply a black wash and drybrush with a lighter metal colour.
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Hincmar on May 27, 2019, 10:02:20 AM

They look lovely and I can live with the chainmail but has anyone actually received their packs yet?   I purchased one on their webstore around a month ago now when they first appeared on retail but have not received it yet.  No one seems to be selling them in the usual internet stores or on ebay.

Cheers
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Gandalf the G on May 28, 2019, 08:12:38 AM
I heard from North Star that there has been production issues.
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: poulppy on May 28, 2019, 08:19:46 AM
Great !
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Ogrob on May 28, 2019, 11:40:35 AM
Just saw on Facebook that all orders are meant to be sent by the end of this week.
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: westwaller on May 28, 2019, 04:27:04 PM
On their Facebook page they said some the sword hilts had to be reworked as they weren't moulding properly, so they had to sort that out first... While the Vikings look good, I'm more interested in the forthcoming Saxon release to be honest.
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Charlie_ on May 28, 2019, 08:37:25 PM
The spear looks very nice and slender.... realistic.
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Hincmar on May 31, 2019, 10:22:36 AM

I've now had a notification that the set is on its way so fingers crossed it will be here by the weekend.
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Commander Carnage on May 31, 2019, 05:14:07 PM
I hope somebody in the US decides to carry these.
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Whitwort Stormbringer on June 01, 2019, 06:20:22 AM
I hope somebody in the US decides to carry these.

Me too! But Caliver has been great about carrying Victrix in the past and has very reasonable international shipping rates, I'd be surprised if they don't carry these as well.
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Nord on June 05, 2019, 07:56:41 PM
Still waiting for mine, think they must be rowing across the North Sea!
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Breazer on June 06, 2019, 09:13:28 AM
mine got shipped 2 days ago. Should be here any day now!
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Hincmar on June 07, 2019, 08:17:40 AM

Mine arrived earlier this week.   Very pleased with the purchase.   Lots of useful options and additional detail.    The necks are moulded in a similar way to the Gripping Beast Vikings and will seemingly permit easy cross-kit bashing, swapping of heads etc.  Presumably the Saxons will adopt the same approach.
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Tonhel on June 07, 2019, 03:18:32 PM
Mine arrived today! I am very impressed!  :-*

Edit: The heads are incredible.
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: eMills on July 22, 2019, 05:47:58 PM
I don't suppose any of you folks have some of the Oathmark plastics to compare these to? Preferably the Humans or Elves. 

I am hoping that there is parity in their sizes.  I want to make warbands for various rule sets out of them, and more variety in parts is always better.
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Ogrob on July 22, 2019, 06:05:57 PM
Here's a quick comparison from my work bench. I'd say Victrix are about a mm taller and their weapons more realistic in scale, but I wouldn't have a problem mixing these in the same force.

(https://i.imgur.com/QGn6ojJ.jpg)
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: eMills on July 22, 2019, 07:06:28 PM
Thanks Ogrob. 

Heads and hands appear to be pretty similar in size.  Height difference is no big deal. I will probably use weapons from the Oathmark figures in mixed bands.

Very helpful.  Again, thank you.

If anyone has any unpainted comparisons, I would appreciate those as well.
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Tonhel on August 26, 2019, 05:42:52 PM
So it begins! Normans :-*

They said the following about it:
Quote
Attached are sketches of the first 2 Norman figures. This sets will be quite extensive with armoured, unarmoured, archers and cavalry all needing to be done.

(https://scontent-bru2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/69246649_1614147458721142_3108361548301598720_o.jpg?_nc_cat=107&_nc_oc=AQkGkE8rVIyImdPCG_Vtr4LCOh0pL3-zYHdiOt1vWQmVnlGOgXX0TIQJojRvxVNQ17A_DvKdYLM3EgCSSlvOWB9Z&_nc_ht=scontent-bru2-1.xx&oh=e4522d3fb85bcd7298cc39566d56293a&oe=5E072F74)
(https://scontent-bru2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/69602761_1614147452054476_935344182287925248_o.jpg?_nc_cat=108&_nc_oc=AQmEnC2s68kfAuMRVtibZPseB5bLXnFPxS6GSxKSrWItISnpIDzsdZ9fhAil-CTE7xVgxSl38LkEEoRa-UFCnf4Q&_nc_ht=scontent-bru2-1.xx&oh=1e239acc211a2aada4e7e3f5936c0be1&oe=5E1064A7)
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Atheling on August 29, 2019, 08:22:07 AM
Just looking at the Norman sketches and I'm a fan!

i don't mind the head attached to the body idea as it might be a way to model 'aventials' of any description realistically, although having said that the Perry's managed it extremely well on all their HYW boxes.

We shall see.

Kind Regards
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Neldoreth on August 30, 2019, 06:26:59 PM
I like the Normans a lot. The Conquest Normans are pretty decent, but if these have the detail of the vikings that they made, then they'll be a cut above.

That being said, you can't really make Norman foot first, can you? I mean, who's using Norman foot for anything? Especially Norman foot with spears and hand weapons!

Thanks
n
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: tin shed gamer on August 30, 2019, 07:17:58 PM
This is her famous stockings ,So they'll be plenty of detailing in the legs.Which is an interesting design point as these wool leggings can sag quite a bit under the bum and below the knees.
I'm interested in these as I saw the Vikings at Partizan and if they come in the same quantity as the Vikings do.I can definitely see a new project.(I can see them fitting with my existing Normans 90% citadel and foundry 10% gripping beast.)
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Tonhel on August 30, 2019, 07:37:57 PM
I like the Normans a lot. The Conquest Normans are pretty decent, but if these have the detail of the vikings that they made, then they'll be a cut above.

That being said, you can't really make Norman foot first, can you? I mean, who's using Norman foot for anything? Especially Norman foot with spears and hand weapons!

Thanks
n

True.

But they said the following:
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Attached are sketches of the first 2 Norman figures. This sets will be quite extensive with armoured, unarmoured, archers and cavalry all needing to be done.

Can you imagine Norman cavalry with the same movement detail as their latest cavarly set.  :-*
(https://scontent-bru2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/67444191_1588815954587626_8187394271150604288_o.jpg?_nc_cat=105&_nc_oc=AQmmqH3H1ScLAd98ZdLniCXcL3ZD4RQXjBETrN27vZooyTgKL8fUTxzbVHrRVVwM1ZW5u1gQZ5rhdD1tLeq5tLUZ&_nc_ht=scontent-bru2-1.xx&oh=ab14d63da2f310c7d06a2ee45ecf0db6&oe=5DFEED40)
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Tonhel on September 15, 2019, 04:59:37 PM
First render of a unarmoured Norman: :-* :-* :-*

Quote
Here is a montage of the first Norman figure. There will be a choice of kite or round shields so they can be used as Normans, Bretons, Franks, Ottonians etc… The 4 unarmoured figures will be sculpted first, then 4 armoured figures and then the command figures.

(https://scontent-bru2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/70968277_1630991477036740_6970541315054370816_o.jpg?_nc_cat=110&_nc_oc=AQnf15K7to-yUFbb-x1yzrVFpO_qllEinKlfGI81_lnm56H5cfPndBmIH5aEWmekvBOpbk8XXrU3bgkGqLp5u-Pv&_nc_ht=scontent-bru2-1.xx&oh=484fb725b20b56e7aecd4d3b27ff4c81&oe=5E0C028D)
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: le bon roi rene on September 19, 2019, 12:32:33 AM
The Victrix plastics are imo the best historical plastic sets. Imo better than Perry HYW/WotR.

Now that's just "crazy talk" . ;)  ( Still though, I hope they're nice. I really want to do 5th Century Britons.
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Atheling on September 19, 2019, 07:01:41 AM
Now that's just "crazy talk" . ;)  ( Still though, I hope they're nice. I really want to do 5th Century Britons.

Not meaning to take the last post too seriously but I think they're simply different. Both Victrix and the Perry's have their own style. They're both fantastic when compared to some of the weaker plastic sets out there.
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Tonhel on September 20, 2019, 09:29:19 PM
Now that's just "crazy talk" . ;)  ( Still though, I hope they're nice. I really want to do 5th Century Britons.

Hehe. :D

Ofcourse the Perry HYW mini's are beautiful, but owning both I do think the Victrix have more dynamic natural poses and most importantly they are for me easier to paint. More depth in the clothes and etc... . The Victrix Viking faces are also more expresive.

It seems that in the future there is a possibilty that Victrix would do early HYW. So than we can compare a little bit better. ;-)
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Atheling on September 21, 2019, 10:43:16 AM
It seems that in the future there is a possibilty that Victrix would do early HYW. So than we can compare a little bit better. ;-)

Yeah, I read that on their forum shortly after expressing an interest in Stirling Bridge/Bannockburn era mini's. Their armours would be different from an Early HYW range though.

I would welcome either with a broad grin though  :D 8)
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Antonio J Carrasco on September 21, 2019, 11:53:19 AM
I must say that what I really, really, really would like is a comprehensive range of Islam and Turkish warriors for the Crusades and the wars in the Iberian Peninsula. I know. It is not Dark Ages, but those (and Carolingians!) would be greatly appreciated!
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Tonhel on September 23, 2019, 06:31:22 PM
The second render of an unarmoured Norman is ready. Also shown is a sketch of the third one!

(https://scontent-bru2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/70608402_1638402726295615_8708448291773218816_o.jpg?_nc_cat=100&_nc_oc=AQmi6WzxDEgArsYik3TDoiCffDUFurS3FjsztqnhR-Fkz4Nq5x0_DEhvd5u3ZyKvtvquPmusYnXjTTQNjYSK6TGK&_nc_ht=scontent-bru2-1.xx&oh=903b833f2d8284a8e59726544cba11b0&oe=5DF1D29B)
(https://scontent-bru2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/71401852_1638402839628937_1610884723393953792_n.jpg?_nc_cat=110&_nc_oc=AQkMn4tsmnlpGYJUdkeE6dMTFlG9IgCfDeKMLaph622LTVjjB-Hmy5b_RL2DI4JQGv8kxL8myHmbg1uMGmeMzScn&_nc_ht=scontent-bru2-1.xx&oh=ff7af4791e52a3bf3bf8615186f399df&oe=5DF07177)

They Look great! I am slowly painting their vikings and they are such a joy to paint!
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Captain Blood on September 23, 2019, 06:47:15 PM
These do look great. Interesting that they have eschewed the stereotypical Norman kite shield so far (flat, not convex, and with a round top... )
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Atheling on September 23, 2019, 07:13:38 PM
These do look great. Interesting that they have eschewed the stereotypical Norman kite shield so far (flat, not convex, and with a round top... )

Convex shields were a great deal stronger then the flatter versions and could withstand impact and slashes by various weapons which would shatter a flat shield despite how well the hide was applied. Thus any warrior worth his salt would have several good solid (convex) shields; several as in they were known to break/shatter and be disposable kit.

Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Captain Blood on September 23, 2019, 10:57:42 PM
I’m sure that’s right Darrell. I’m just used to 40 odd years of Norman wargames figures with flat, Bayeaux tapestry style ‘classic’ Norman kite shields  ;)
Hopefully they’ll include a few, just for old times sake.
 :D
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Atheling on September 24, 2019, 09:24:34 AM
I’m sure that’s right Darrell. I’m just used to 40 odd years of Norman wargames figures with flat, Bayeaux tapestry style ‘classic’ Norman kite shields  ;)
Hopefully they’ll include a few, just for old times sake.
 :D

Yeah, you're right, it's the visual impact that matters on the tabletop :)
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Neldoreth on September 24, 2019, 04:43:09 PM
Those are fantastic. Agree about the shields, but greatly appreciate that they are more accurate. The dynamic poses are just fantastic though, which will set them apart from all the other plastic historicals imo...

But honestly, I won't buy these until I see the promise of cavalry. What would I do with a lonely unit of spears? And how could I mix these with those Conquest Norman Cavalry?!? Just kidding, I like the Conquest cavalry, but I'm not sure they're enough to entice me to start a Norma project.

Thanks
n
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: westwaller on September 24, 2019, 05:41:17 PM
The look good! Hope the mail improves a bit for this set...
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Mr.J on September 24, 2019, 07:10:32 PM
Interestingly Gripping Beast have just unveiled their crack at Normans and they’re not a patch on these. Not going to link and muddy the thread with confusing images but they’re across FB at the moment so it won’t take much digging to find for those who are interested.

These look excellent, a significant improvement on the existing plastic ‘dark ages’ ranges. 
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Tonhel on September 24, 2019, 07:30:05 PM
Yeah, I saw the preview of Gripping beast Normans too. I can't say I am impressed.
The guys at Victrix have a very high standerd for what they deem fit to release. Check out this post from Steve (Which I believe is co-owner of Victrix and the owner of Little big men studios:

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STEVE LBMS:
Sorry I don't have the time to answer everyone's messages individually but It would take forever with all the subjects that have brought up so far! It is great to see so many enthusiastic Victrix fans.

At present Norman Infantry are being worked on which will be a mixed armoured and unarmoured set like the Vikings and soon to be released Saxons. Norman cavalry will be done and yes we are looking at extra bits to put in these sets to use them as first Crusades, Franks, Bretons, Spanish etc...Archers for Vikings, Saxons Normans and EIR have not been forgotten.

Once the Norman infantry are done we will jump back to the Napoleonic cavalry and then back to the Norman cavalry and then back to hopefully Napoleonic early French dragoons (should make Tim happy!)

The main issue we have is sculpting resources. We have tried a few people and not that they are bad sculptors but it is a different way of working and understanding making figures for injection moulded plastics that a lot of people can't grasp the theory of. Thankfully we found a great new guy in Romania who sculpted the Dacians and who is now working on the Persians.

So if anybody knows of good 3d Digital figure sculptors, preferably in the UK get them to send us some CV'S and images. A knowledge of historical uniforms is also a very useful requirement.

 That is a run down of what we are working on over the next 6 to 8 months but with extra capacity we can do more. Projects we are wanting to start alongside these are a Biblical range and Early Hundred Years war but lots of what people have mentioned in their requests is also on out thoughts. There is years worth of work to do so in some cases it is a case of just be patient!

I should add we are working on a 12mm WW2 game and models which will be announced more fully over the weekend.

Right I must get back to transfer orders before my customer lynch me!

This is what their new guy sculpted :-* It's brilliant
(https://scontent-bru2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/68406490_1604650793004142_4979591186130927616_o.jpg?_nc_cat=104&_nc_oc=AQmj_x6c9nOTlYcESozocLHmaw9bzzxVYyyw2p7rQP6hduDWn00USZ5Sxs3wZjRtxb1-4eZPCXKWSKH3MQ0AfLwA&_nc_ht=scontent-bru2-1.xx&oh=fefd66ed4e6e15c5aee81325cab47a31&oe=5E304390)(https://scontent-bru2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/68295348_1597452153724006_8192051604837367808_n.jpg?_nc_cat=102&_nc_oc=AQm1JNx7DQHG28gzAoVhvhEWgcJEPBX9uAc-qlRY_6j-MHWuzN92VQrXBW30LwCrL-v_DOtMK8JREJduLq8cIbIY&_nc_ht=scontent-bru2-1.xx&oh=9f7df29e1bd02aefe2b1843ffd78db2c&oe=5E3B79A0)
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Calimero on September 24, 2019, 07:49:17 PM
Yeah, I saw the preview of Gripping beast Normans too. I can't say I am impressed...

This is what their new guy sculpted :-* It's brilliant
(https://scontent-bru2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/68406490_1604650793004142_4979591186130927616_o.jpg?_nc_cat=104&_nc_oc=AQmj_x6c9nOTlYcESozocLHmaw9bzzxVYyyw2p7rQP6hduDWn00USZ5Sxs3wZjRtxb1-4eZPCXKWSKH3MQ0AfLwA&_nc_ht=scontent-bru2-1.xx&oh=fefd66ed4e6e15c5aee81325cab47a31&oe=5E304390)(https://scontent-bru2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/68295348_1597452153724006_8192051604837367808_n.jpg?_nc_cat=102&_nc_oc=AQm1JNx7DQHG28gzAoVhvhEWgcJEPBX9uAc-qlRY_6j-MHWuzN92VQrXBW30LwCrL-v_DOtMK8JREJduLq8cIbIY&_nc_ht=scontent-bru2-1.xx&oh=9f7df29e1bd02aefe2b1843ffd78db2c&oe=5E3B79A0)


The Gripping Beast renders look like early stage WIP… Their Viking figures weren’t that bad after all...
As for the renders above, I don’t know, some seems to have wide and low hips... ;)
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Tonhel on September 24, 2019, 08:06:22 PM
@Calimero.

I don't really agree. ;) Anyway I will create a topic for the Gripping Beast Normans. So we can discuss it too. ;-)
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Antonio J Carrasco on September 24, 2019, 09:03:58 PM
Biblical range... I saw it! Biblical range!! I want to weep in joy!
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Too Bo Coo on September 24, 2019, 10:55:19 PM
Cant wait for those Saxons!!
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Atheling on September 25, 2019, 06:58:59 AM
Biblical range... I saw it! Biblical range!! I want to weep in joy!

Same thought but lusting for the Early HYW range!!!!  ;D
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Antonio J Carrasco on September 25, 2019, 09:44:20 PM
By the way, does anyone know when will be the Saxons released? Especially, the models without armour.
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Tonhel on September 26, 2019, 05:50:38 PM
By the way, does anyone know when will be the Saxons released? Especially, the models without armour.

Mid October. :-)
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Tonhel on October 07, 2019, 04:06:32 PM
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UPCOMING RELEASE

We’re happy to bring you some more information on the eagerly anticipated NORMAN RANGE. As you’ll be able to see from the new renders, the NORMAN UNARMOURED INFANTRY will wear padded Akheton, which was a popular piece of armour for the not so wealthy foot soldier. This set will also offer various head options. Among these is the distinctive Norman haircut of the shaved back of the head.

You can expect some more renders soon, with unarmoured and armoured spearman currently being developed. Also in development are the shields which will be a mix of flat kite shields, curved sided kite shields and round shields which allows you to use them for other European foot soldiers, not just Normans.

Keep your eyes peeled for more updates as we will be unveiling the test frames of the Saxons, Saxon Command and Saxon Huscarles this week.

(https://scontent-bru2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/71804526_1651639654971922_5314375885330055168_o.jpg?_nc_cat=110&_nc_oc=AQmEHecmVDQxcenohohkIVyK5z1WV6D29ELe0KEEOseFY1AJ8L1L040wat4UmS6qm_KwXh0pQbQtIaophhT0w1Sc&_nc_ht=scontent-bru2-1.xx&oh=44bfbdcc1f81967499f403d20e17448e&oe=5E2513BA)
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Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Antonio J Carrasco on October 07, 2019, 04:12:47 PM
Like them. Really, I do. I've been putting off collecting Normans, but it looks like I won't for much longer. :D
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: fred on October 07, 2019, 06:49:32 PM
They look really good
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Atheling on October 08, 2019, 09:17:42 AM
They do look rather spiffing  :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Gallahad on October 08, 2019, 07:03:49 PM
This kit doesn't seem to suffer from the enormous heads their Viking kit was cursed with. It looks very nice!
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Tonhel on October 08, 2019, 09:45:58 PM
This kit doesn't seem to suffer from the enormous heads their Viking kit was cursed with. It looks very nice!

It's the same sculptor and the heads seem to me the same size, but with less hair  lol . I am currently painting their vikings and I really like how expressive the faces / heads are. They certainly aren't small, but not to big either.
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Atheling on October 10, 2019, 07:55:45 AM
I'm tempted to buy a box to try out a few different painting techniques that I've been thinking of applying (and asking folk for!)
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Neldoreth on October 11, 2019, 05:49:46 AM
These are looking great!

But I won't buy these until I see matching cavalry :D

Thanks
n.
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Tonhel on October 14, 2019, 05:12:58 PM
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NORMAN UPDATE

Here we have renders of the 4th Norman unarmoured figure and also a montage of a line up of the 4 unarmoured Normans showing their arm, head and shield variants.

We are now moving on to the armoured Normans and should have something to show in a week or so. Again there will be variations in heads, Helmets, shields and weapons.

We should have a couple more Persians to show later in the week.

(https://scontent-bru2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/72236906_1658840270918527_467863367512489984_o.jpg?_nc_cat=107&_nc_oc=AQlYKcCtSA2v4JntMmf3Oo0NvL3m5hHFs1qiEa6IUr_6Pgqz67vrEl3AGSeMBLmOj5wwAJRadDw9UGvGpYl3dxZx&_nc_ht=scontent-bru2-1.xx&oh=db282a7ba08a34d84ad40853de777e3e&oe=5E60BDB5)
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(https://scontent-bru2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/72527133_1658841507585070_8741493344946880512_n.jpg?_nc_cat=103&_nc_oc=AQl2YXdV33gv6k-hAurMqvbtUBiLH9LjWh85IYLy1cJgiBq_tOHQxlD-X8rYuAcDU2FK0XAlOTu21vJgleax06pm&_nc_ht=scontent-bru2-1.xx&oh=53f1b11c8f768d3d349035bc02e9bc8d&oe=5E1BDE76)

Looking good!
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Atheling on October 14, 2019, 06:24:52 PM
Well, after seeing more examples, I think these are shaping up to be very good indeed!!  8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Captain Blood on October 15, 2019, 08:57:50 AM
They’re certainly dynamic. Even better than the Vikings I think.
Finally I’ll be able to populate a decent looking game based on ‘The Warlord’  ;)
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Atheling on October 15, 2019, 09:37:02 AM
They’re certainly dynamic. Even better than the Vikings I think.
Finally I’ll be able to populate a decent looking game based on ‘The Warlord’  ;)

You'll needing plenty of plastic horns for the helms  :D.

Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Munindk on October 15, 2019, 10:18:41 AM
The unarmoured normans would make good GOT Starks, if going for the series look :)

Regardless, I'll be picking up some of these.
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: bluewillow on October 18, 2019, 03:38:22 PM
The Norman sketchs look quite good, I do hope there are lots of spear and some javelin options.

Cheers
Matt
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Tonhel on October 18, 2019, 08:12:37 PM
From Steve LBMS:
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Rather than being conversion parts it would more likely be a set on its own. However there is a lot of work in the pipeline which will keep the sculptors tied down for a year or so as yet. So in honesty these would not be a priority ahead of more Napoleonic, a Hundred Years War range and also Dark Age archers, Roman archers/scorpions and Thureophoroi.

So a Hundred Years range is more or less confirmed.  :-*
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Atheling on October 19, 2019, 02:04:51 AM
From Steve LBMS:
So a Hundred Years range is more or less confirmed.  :-*

This is absolutely brilliant news  :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*

Positively a dream come true.

I wonder if I could persuade Steve to do a 28mm Medieval Cog too?  ??? ??? ???

Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: levied troop on October 19, 2019, 07:01:08 AM
From Steve LBMS:
So a Hundred Years range is more or less confirmed.  :-*

I think that might finally tip me into taking plastics seriously- those Norman’s look very good and an early HYW range, yes!  :-*
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Tonhel on November 01, 2019, 05:49:43 PM
New update!

It looks fantastic!

(https://scontent-bru2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/74209762_1678626905606530_434609875280986112_o.jpg?_nc_cat=102&_nc_oc=AQleZnPWEuepREI6UnE9QAKO2r0t66Eok2YyzqIJYUaaDooOiR5Er5v4mJgGK32scdvjiFTg45qhpHWGE7L-ZiZ_&_nc_ht=scontent-bru2-1.xx&oh=8b5161bc91c4676d8b4bbf1e2a1c7652&oe=5E5FBC65)
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(https://scontent-bru2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/75534908_1678627108939843_1392864276414201856_n.jpg?_nc_cat=104&_nc_oc=AQm6Pu5dg8TdhLe2Ep3o4Vu03rXfwcJ7Fhf8L1WZJOUp74WtHen9zp2Q9uwbpMOSrcRMV91ofYj5b297F9oyqs0I&_nc_ht=scontent-bru2-1.xx&oh=70cfc96585ab3418d5c13516e4827807&oe=5E51DB2B)
(https://scontent-bru2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/75464279_1678627082273179_12702657835696128_n.jpg?_nc_cat=110&_nc_oc=AQl5DsnujXd-oHwvaZinqbB9yW691wrjtU9JiJObcJVB-64F2vUGcFyf2TbjQowx0iEfAYBU8A9Raw8W9Sm1d0EU&_nc_ht=scontent-bru2-1.xx&oh=d27aa0c7a0fe465718782b6343a79176&oe=5E62436A)
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Atheling on November 01, 2019, 06:05:43 PM
They do look really amazing!! There is no denying that  :-* :-* :-*

So...... I'm thinking about the Normans range; both on foot and mounted.

It's no exaggeration to say that Victrix would be killing two birds with one stone if you were to include helmets, and shields that could be used for the Crusades, I, II and III.  Think no further than the shields of the Perry hospitallers and head change options with later helms. Possibly surcoats too though this would be appreciably more difficult if you're main aim is to go for 'classic' Normans.

Hopefully this is something being considered and possibly planned(?)
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Maniac on November 01, 2019, 06:49:57 PM
Has there been any word on a planned release date for the Normans?  These look lovely, and could get me back into expanding my 9 points of Saga Normans into a proper Hail Ceasar! force.
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Tonhel on November 20, 2019, 08:22:57 PM
Has there been any word on a planned release date for the Normans?  These look lovely, and could get me back into expanding my 9 points of Saga Normans into a proper Hail Ceasar! force.

They said mid 2020. So we have to be patient.

Another update posted on facebook.

(https://scontent-bru2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/75587561_1701287690007118_3331234603951194112_o.jpg?_nc_cat=106&_nc_oc=AQmqULo9WkF8XZYsZ8DUDzwBlUqlKabaKWbhVDoo5gKhWc-hfGIOySjfLZcD_WsqsrCz7LdZLIMbJgXDCtwB0ma-&_nc_ht=scontent-bru2-1.xx&oh=5a430317947b85d0bc75371230c53cdb&oe=5E88D6C4)
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Maniac on November 20, 2019, 08:36:30 PM
They said mid 2020. So we have to be patient.

Another update posted on facebook.

(https://scontent-bru2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/75587561_1701287690007118_3331234603951194112_o.jpg?_nc_cat=106&_nc_oc=AQmqULo9WkF8XZYsZ8DUDzwBlUqlKabaKWbhVDoo5gKhWc-hfGIOySjfLZcD_WsqsrCz7LdZLIMbJgXDCtwB0ma-&_nc_ht=scontent-bru2-1.xx&oh=5a430317947b85d0bc75371230c53cdb&oe=5E88D6C4)

Hot dog!  Siculo-Norman helmets!  Mid 2020 will be fine for the backlog of work I have, as long as they show up.  These are just to gorgeous to pass up on.
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: cram on November 20, 2019, 10:29:24 PM
The chain mail appears to have improved on these Normans compared to previous efforts such as the Vikings.
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: FierceKitty on November 21, 2019, 01:42:28 AM
No such thing as chainmail.
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Atheling on November 21, 2019, 08:33:18 AM
They do look amazing!!  :-* :-* :-* I'm still holding out for some Third and Fourth Crusade add ons ;)  :)

No such thing as chainmail.

Very true. It's a D&D invention!!  o_o

The origins of the word mail are a unknown. It could come from the Old French mailler, meaning to hammer. Also, note that different parts of armours made of mail  had different names; mail 'shirt', hauberk, haubergeon or byrnie), mail 'leggings' (chausses) and mail 'hood' (coif).

Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Dr. Zombie on November 21, 2019, 08:38:30 AM
Groan.. ::)

Do we really have to go through this exercise every time someone writes chainmail!?

Oddly enough you all knew what he was on about. It is a word in common usage. So can we please dispense with the etymological debate that leads to nowhere.
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: westwaller on November 21, 2019, 08:52:48 AM
You don't fire a bow either...

They do indeed look good although that spear is a bit questionable (isn't it a hunting/boar spear?) but I guess I'm just splitting hairs really.
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Cubs on November 21, 2019, 09:00:18 AM
It was a common spear design of the time and is shown on a lot of contemporary illustrations and yes, it possibly did derive from the boar spear, with boar hunting being so popular in mainland Europe. I will probably snip the bars off half of them for variety though.
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: westwaller on November 21, 2019, 09:12:36 AM
Yeah I'd be tempted to do that too. I wouldn't have said it would be the most common type of spear although I guess it would be a very effective infantry weapon against horses.
The poses shown look a little less 'wild' than those offered by the Viking and Saxon sets
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Captain Blood on November 21, 2019, 09:33:21 AM
Groan.. ::)

Do we really have to go through this exercise every time someone writes chainmail!?

Oddly enough you all knew what he was on about. It is a word in common usage. So can we please dispense with the etymological debate that leads to nowhere.

Well said Frede.

Please let’s not be prats about such things, eh?
Chainmail has been common usage since I was a very small boy, and that was now a very long time ago - certainly pre D&D by a long way. We all know chainmail is not made of chains. It’s just a term that has been used since goodness knows when, and that everyone understands - even if it’s a misnomer.
Let’s not make LAF home to the kind of gratuitous pedantry and nitpicking that bedevils certain other wargames sites. Thank you.

The figures look amazingly good, like all Victrix’s recent and upcoming releases. If only I had the time to make and paint them all  ::)
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Silent Invader on November 21, 2019, 09:39:33 AM
Well said Richard
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Munindk on November 21, 2019, 10:09:32 AM
Whatever they're wearing I like it! :)

Any news on Norman cavalry?
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Atheling on November 21, 2019, 10:24:23 AM
Groan.. ::)

Do we really have to go through this exercise every time someone writes chainmail!?

Oddly enough you all knew what he was on about. It is a word in common usage. So can we please dispense with the etymological debate that leads to nowhere.

Sorry, it's the first time I've mentioned it :)
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Dr. Zombie on November 21, 2019, 10:31:40 AM
Oh it wasn’t personal. But someone always does.

Anyways. Back to the regular scheduled program.
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: levied troop on November 22, 2019, 08:12:59 AM
This combined with Cubs thread is making me think that my old Norman’s in Italy project needs expanding.
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Cubs on November 23, 2019, 10:31:49 AM
This combined with Cubs thread is making me think that my old Norman’s in Italy project needs expanding.

The Jack Ludlow books are a killer for the will power!
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Duncan McDane on November 26, 2019, 02:19:58 PM
You don't fire a bow either...

 lol. Never thought of it that way...
Really like the D.A. Victrix models, especially the dynamic posing. Got my fair share of D.A. metals, but those sets are a must.
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Tonhel on November 27, 2019, 05:45:43 PM
So promising! :-*

Quote
PRODUCT UPDATE: NORMAN AND PERSIAN SKETCHES

The Norman has an Italo Norman helmet option with face mask. We will include more Italo Norman styles in the Norman cavalry set and some on the command frame.
(https://scontent-bru2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/s960x960/78590230_1709370509198836_8418013652505853952_o.jpg?_nc_cat=107&_nc_ohc=Sq9WZAGcup4AQkNwxgzeIlOMAtznpXSZfuJvO1mZWR6TVdYyNfkhY7i7A&_nc_ht=scontent-bru2-1.xx&oh=7c1718a53c3a7efcd9708fa3415dcbad&oe=5E3EBB39)
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Atheling on November 27, 2019, 08:57:16 PM
Much more of this sort of thing please!!  :-*

Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Antonio J Carrasco on November 27, 2019, 09:01:21 PM
I got my Late Saxons today (thanks to the chaps at La Flecha Negra, in Madrid). It is a very nice set, with a lot of variety and possibilities of "crossovers" with the Vikings set. Truth be told I didn't intend to buy it, as I have more than enough Vikings and Saxons, but when I saw them in the flesh, well... I was sold! Now my warbands will grow again, but at a fraction of the price I paid for the original!
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Munindk on November 28, 2019, 07:41:15 AM
I know almost nothing about Italo-Normans, but it sounds niche enough to be interesting!

And a cavalry set, they've confirmed a cavalry set :)
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Atheling on November 28, 2019, 08:00:39 AM
I know almost nothing about Italo-Normans, but it sounds niche enough to be interesting!

And a cavalry set, they've confirmed a cavalry set :)

This book is fantastic:

The Age of Robert Guiscard (The Medieval World)
https://www.amazon.co.uk/Age-Robert-Guiscard-Medieval-World/dp/0582045290/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=age+of+robert+guiscard&qid=1574927782&s=books&sr=1-1 (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Age-Robert-Guiscard-Medieval-World/dp/0582045290/ref=sr_1_1?keywords=age+of+robert+guiscard&qid=1574927782&s=books&sr=1-1)

Though since this was published there has been more literary interest, these books that I haven't read but look interesting:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Creation-Kingdom-Manchester-Medieval-Sources/dp/0719082021/ref=pd_sim_14_3/258-1378316-0516954?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=0719082021&pd_rd_r=969ff106-c49f-4ea6-a073-d9f67a1ae252&pd_rd_w=qyQ22&pd_rd_wg=1lEDi&pf_rd_p=6a30fab2-6ed5-4400-920a-f4b0f59e4ff9&pf_rd_r=QB718A9TMNAZ88JEXPNB&psc=1&refRID=QB718A9TMNAZ88JEXPNB (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Creation-Kingdom-Manchester-Medieval-Sources/dp/0719082021/ref=pd_sim_14_3/258-1378316-0516954?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=0719082021&pd_rd_r=969ff106-c49f-4ea6-a073-d9f67a1ae252&pd_rd_w=qyQ22&pd_rd_wg=1lEDi&pf_rd_p=6a30fab2-6ed5-4400-920a-f4b0f59e4ff9&pf_rd_r=QB718A9TMNAZ88JEXPNB&psc=1&refRID=QB718A9TMNAZ88JEXPNB)

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Norman-Kingdom-Cambridge-Medieval-Textbooks/dp/0521269113/ref=pd_sbs_14_1/258-1378316-0516954?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=0521269113&pd_rd_r=ecc42840-72c8-4e65-ad62-bbf9c0232432&pd_rd_w=OJsMv&pd_rd_wg=15sse&pf_rd_p=f4a31d1d-8f61-48f5-b6f4-a22ba06df575&pf_rd_r=Z9DBY9H087VXB4DY2ZGQ&psc=1&refRID=Z9DBY9H087VXB4DY2ZGQ (https://www.amazon.co.uk/Norman-Kingdom-Cambridge-Medieval-Textbooks/dp/0521269113/ref=pd_sbs_14_1/258-1378316-0516954?_encoding=UTF8&pd_rd_i=0521269113&pd_rd_r=ecc42840-72c8-4e65-ad62-bbf9c0232432&pd_rd_w=OJsMv&pd_rd_wg=15sse&pf_rd_p=f4a31d1d-8f61-48f5-b6f4-a22ba06df575&pf_rd_r=Z9DBY9H087VXB4DY2ZGQ&psc=1&refRID=Z9DBY9H087VXB4DY2ZGQ)

(https://www.amazon.co.uk/Normans-Raiders-Kings-Lars-Brownworth/dp/1909979082/ref=asc_df_1909979082/?tag=googshopuk-21&linkCode=df0&hvadid=311073749434&hvpos=1o2&hvnetw=g&hvrand=16174275137256434900&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=1006688&hvtargid=pla-492952086149&psc=1&th=1&psc=1)
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Cubs on November 28, 2019, 01:08:20 PM
I didn't know anything about them either, except a footnote in a couple of Crusades books I'd read, talking about Normans in Italy, which earned no more than a "Whu?" and a raised eyebrow from me at the time.

I snapped up a copy of 'The Age of Robert Guiscard' for £15 from Oxfam! It's not cheap so I reckon 2nd hand will be your friend here.

I got into the genre through the Jack Ludlow 'Conquest' trilogy, which is followed by the 'Mercenaries' and finally 'Crusades'  trilogies, following the De Hauteville family line, from Normandy to Italy & Sicily and finally the Holy Land. It's based on the real De Hauteville family, an astonishing collection of warriors and conquerors who rose from the cash-strapped sons of minor nobility seeking employment through the sword, to literally changing history and redrawing the maps of the Mediterranean.

I'm also working my way through 'The Normans in Sicily' by John Julius Norwich, but it's a weighty (if lightly written) tome and I'm still grinding my way through.
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: mweaver on November 29, 2019, 04:01:06 AM
I think the Norwich book is the one and only thing I read on the subject, back in the late 70s!  So, don't remember much.   

This place is dangerous.  Not only do people drag nifty figures across your path, they keep talking about interesting books as well. 

-Michael
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Cubs on November 29, 2019, 08:04:41 AM
This place is dangerous.  Not only do people drag nifty figures across your path, they keep talking about interesting books as well. 

You can get the Ludlow books cheap on Kindle too …

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Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Captain Blood on November 29, 2019, 08:25:26 AM
You can get the Ludlow books cheap on Kindle too …

I’ll have to check those out...
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Tonhel on December 03, 2019, 03:44:18 PM
Update:

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Here are the renders for the 3rd Armoured Norman figure. He has various head and arm variants. Our sculptors are now working on the 4th Armoured Norman figure, before starting the Norman command frame.

Attached is a sketch of the first Norman command figure. We are going for some dynamic posing on some of the these figures with arms crossing the body, as well as body and head twists. This is going to be quite technically difficult with the fit and function of the separate pieces but the results will look great.

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Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Kitsune on December 08, 2019, 07:50:03 PM
Is there a rough ETA for the Norman foot box?
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Siegfried on December 08, 2019, 09:36:18 PM
I love the fact they're including Italo-Norman helmets. That gives the set a lot more versatility than what a lot of other Norman miniatures offer. I have high hopes for this range; I dare say it's probably going to be the best range of plastic Norman miniatures in the market (and that's no small accomplishment considering how many plastic sts of this kind there are).

My only complaint would be the poses. I don't know exactly what is it about them, but they look a little weird. Maybe it's just a problem of the digital sculpts that will get fixed once the figures are produced on plastic. But for now, that would be my only critique.
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Atheling on December 09, 2019, 07:19:48 AM
I love the fact they're including Italo-Norman helmets.

Me too. This is an excellent addition as it extends the time period for which they can be used for as well as allowing for Guiscard and co :)

My only complaint would be the poses. I don't know exactly what is it about them, but they look a little weird.

It's the arm and weapon position. In particular the arm. It doesn't look natural in some of the weapon poses. The 'oddness' of the arm position and angle of the weapon is accentuated by the rest of the design as the rest of the figure looks *very* natural. I think that this is a problem that needs ironing out.

Apart from this I think these mock ups are excellent and I will be buying!!  8)
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Cubs on December 09, 2019, 08:03:03 AM
Oh my.
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Codsticker on December 10, 2019, 02:40:29 AM
I agree- ideally I think the arm should be a bit straighter but they look like very nice figures over all.
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Atheling on December 10, 2019, 11:31:56 AM
I agree- ideally I think the arm should be a bit straighter but they look like very nice figures over all.

I agree. I'm sure they will iron it out prior to production, which I believe Victrix said (on their forum) would be in the later stages of the first quarter of next year (?).
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Tonhel on December 18, 2019, 03:46:35 PM
 :-* :-* :-*

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PRODUCT UPDATE: ARMOURED NORMAN RENDERS

Here are the renders for armoured Norman 4. This completes the Norman main frame and we will now move on to the command frame.

This figure has multiple head and weapon options and can be used as a Norman, 1st Crusades and other European nations. He has an Italo Norman head option for the Normans fighting in Sicily, Greece etc…

The command frame will have some figures in scale armour. More updates to come.

Keep your eyes peeled as we will be announcing the 2020 release schedule at some point this week.

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Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Cubs on December 18, 2019, 05:29:51 PM
Really like the flanged mace option.
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Kitsune on December 19, 2019, 07:29:05 PM
Liking those a lot. Release them, dammit!
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Breazer on December 23, 2019, 03:33:28 PM
I think I need these
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Tonhel on January 19, 2020, 05:41:10 PM
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PRODUCT UPDATE: NORMAN RENDERS

It may have taken longer than expected but we're delighted with the first Norman command frame figure. The movement and dynamism is wonderful.

He has three head variants including the Italo Norman style with the evil looking face mask and three weapon arm variants. As well as clobbering the Saxons he would not be out of place in most other European nations, Italy, Spain and into the early crusades.

Both the Norman infantry and Norman cavalry will be a great addition to our Dark Ages range.

Follow the link below for the full range.

I love that second helmet!  :-* :-* :-*

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Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Atheling on January 19, 2020, 06:48:56 PM
Now that image has got my juices flowing!!!  :-* :-* :-*

Is there a speculative date for release as of yet?
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Renaud on January 19, 2020, 07:58:06 PM
Animated pose, but very un-professional handling of a shield :-(.
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Captain Blood on January 19, 2020, 08:22:39 PM
Ooooh I like him... I’m going to need a fair few of those Italo-Norman visored helmets  8)
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Atheling on January 19, 2020, 08:56:02 PM
Ooooh I like him... I’m going to need a fair few of those Italo-Norman visored helmets  8)

You're not alone on that!!! It's like a dream come true  ;D
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: guitarheroandy on January 20, 2020, 05:11:45 PM
Now that image has got my juices flowing!!!  :-* :-* :-*

Is there a speculative date for release as of yet?

June/July according to the release schedule on their Facebook page in December...
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Atheling on January 20, 2020, 05:25:52 PM
June/July according to the release schedule on their Facebook page in December...

That's great news. Just in time if it is about then too :)
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: RedRowan on January 20, 2020, 09:44:27 PM
These are looking really nice, can’t wait to get hold of some.

I do hope Victrix continue to explore the Dark Age setting. I know they have discussed archers and Norman cavalry but I would love to see some Irish, Welsh and such too.

Steve
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Tonhel on January 22, 2020, 06:57:40 PM
Update:

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PRODUCT UPDATE: NORMANS

Here are a couple of sketches for the next two Norman command frame figures. They have the option of being standard bearers, horn blowers or ordinary infantry. Just 3 more sketches to do for the Norman command frame.

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These are looking really nice, can’t wait to get hold of some.

I do hope Victrix continue to explore the Dark Age setting. I know they have discussed archers and Norman cavalry but I would love to see some Irish, Welsh and such too.

Steve

I am hoping that after cavarly and archers (confirmed), to see 11th century Kievan-Rus or Byzantine sets.

Altough we will have to wait a bit. I think that in a couple of weeks it will be a set of Napoleonic Cav, than Dacians, than Persians, than Norman infantry (summer) and than ... . So I guess Norman cavarly will be late 2020 or early 2021.
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: tabletopwargamer on January 22, 2020, 07:06:41 PM
Nice helmets? Juices flowing?

Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: AdamPHayes on February 03, 2020, 04:51:07 PM
Nice helmets? Juices flowing?

No it's just the way he's posed...
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Atheling on February 03, 2020, 07:47:45 PM
I'm still very impressed with what I've seen thus far  :-*
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Tonhel on February 04, 2020, 08:46:36 PM
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PRODUCT UPDATE: NORMAN AND PERSIAN RENDERS

Here is a montage of the first Norman Standard Bearer/Musician. He has a few arm options so he can be blowing a horn, carrying a standard or using a spear or sword. He has 2 head options, one being a bare head displaying the distinctive Norman hair style.

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Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Atheling on February 04, 2020, 10:25:25 PM
I'm loving the gambesons  8) 8) 8) .....and hope that there are plenty in the box as it is very probable that this was the main form of body armour in most Western European armies of the time.
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Tonhel on March 13, 2020, 11:24:18 AM
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Here are the renders of Norman command figure 3. He can be used as a standard bearer or an ordinary foot soldier. He has various arm and head options. This figure can easily fit into most European armies up to early Medieval and early Crusades.

3 more command figures to come, 1 in chainmail and 2 in scale armour.

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Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Atheling on March 13, 2020, 11:46:59 AM
I've just opened the image in another tab to get a close look at it and i have to say that this is highly impressive stuff!

The pose is quite natural, perhaps the head is turned a little too much (easily fixable with glue)? The convex shields are a real boon, and the gambeson is about as good as i have seen in plastic.

I'm looking forward to the release date to be announced :)
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Cubs on March 13, 2020, 02:04:08 PM

The pose is quite natural, perhaps the head is turned a little too much

As an ex-prop, that is right at the limit of my neck turning ability!
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Breazer on March 15, 2020, 11:04:07 AM
Yeh i'm gonna need a whole bunch of those normans I think.
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Tonhel on March 29, 2020, 09:25:14 AM
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 :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Atheling on March 29, 2020, 10:16:16 AM
I think I just had an accident!!  :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*

If it is possible, it would be fantastic if some two handed sword poses could be squeezed in (just the normal 11th century type sword).
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Hu Rhu on March 29, 2020, 10:35:54 AM
Very nice.
Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Cubs on March 29, 2020, 11:37:35 AM
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Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Tonhel on July 29, 2020, 08:27:34 PM
Update!:

It seems that Dark Age archers are in the pipeline, the person who is sculpting the Bavarians will do the Dark Age archers next and another sculptor who does the most sets for Victrix will work on Roman archers and then Norman Cavalry.

The Dark Age archers are unexpected, but very, very welcome as they are really needed!


Title: Re: Victrix Dark Ages anyone??
Post by: Atheling on July 30, 2020, 08:23:02 AM
The Dark Age archers are unexpected, but very, very welcome as they are really needed!

They will be most welcome as will the Normans of any troop type.

I really hope that the archers are managed to be in nocking, drawing a loosing poses. Not easy to get right with plastics and the lack of undercutting in the sculpting process but it is doable; even if I do have to hold the Perry's up as an example of how to get it right :)