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Miniatures Adventure => Pikes, Muskets and Flouncy Shirts => Topic started by: painterman on March 11, 2018, 08:55:23 PM
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Starting a post to display my progress in painting up Landsknechts.
These are 28mm Steel Fist Miniatures (can't think why I've selected these as a painting project? ??? ::) ) - hopefully it's legit to show them here!
First 3 packs done.
(https://i.imgur.com/E16yooi.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/WEzwOnr.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/XN95KUV.jpg)
All based on 1p coins and the clear acrylic bases are made by James at Oshiro Models.
More in progress at the moment.
Thanks
Simon.
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Beautiful Simon :-*
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Yes, they're truly a sight to see :)
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They are a bit of alright :-* 8)
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Lovely!
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superbly posed / animated figures, beautifully painted.
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Sharp looking figures....;)
Really cool.
Thanx for showing,
Don
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Beautifully painted and exquisite sculpts. :)
... but and I hope you take this in the spirit intended, the figures in each pack themselves seem to span some thirty odd years of Landsknecht dress. The leftmost halberdier for example is perfect for c.1500 but not that much later, while the others are beyond c.1512 (he said vaguely, it's beyond my ken).
So while each figure is perfect in its detail, pedants like me probably sulk because they can't use every figure in a pack.
:-[
I am admittedly totally biased for the earlier style for my needs and really love that halberdier and one of the crossbowmen in the range. ;)
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Wonderful figures and painting :-*
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Fantastic figures and absolutely wonderful painting. :-* :-* I'm sold - now off to buy some.
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Didn't know I was into hairy men in fancy colourful clothing, but phew, those are some very sexy sculpts. :P
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Wonderful painting technique on some beautifully sculpted figures. A feast for the eye.
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Many thanks for the kind words and feedback.
Arlequin:
So while each figure is perfect in its detail, pedants like me probably sulk because they can't use every figure in a pack.
You're right that there is a spread of time for the references that we're using for these figures. In fact the left hand figure in the melee pack is from a 1503 painting. However I would expect that styles changed gradually over years and so clothing could still be seen and used - medieval clothing was made to last many years of course. Its the same issue with other ranges too, the Perry WotR plastics has variously dated harness covering a 40-50 year period. It's all down to how historically specific you want to be of course... :)
cheers
Simon.
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How do these compare in size with other ranges of Landsknechts?
e,g. Warlord's Plastic Landsknechts Pikemen set.
I already have some of Steel Fist figures for painting but may expand them into a small army for Lion Rampant or possibly the Pikeman's Lament.
I would need about 60 figures to bulk out the ranks.
(Simon - I suggest that you put a link to the Landsknechts page of your website in the first post.)
https://www.steelfistminiatures.com/product-category/italian-wars-1494-1538-product_cat-19/ (https://www.steelfistminiatures.com/product-category/italian-wars-1494-1538-product_cat-19/)
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It's all down to how historically specific you want to be of course... :)
Sadly for me 'very'. :'(
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Mick wrote:
How do these compare in size with other ranges of Landsknechts?
e,g. Warlord's Plastic Landsknechts Pikemen set.
Mick, I'm just awaiting Artizan figure in the post, I'll then take some comparative shots of Steel Fist landsknechts with Warlord plastic and metal, Foundry & Artisan - as I appreciate that many folk will already have these figures in the lead pile or painted.
I anticipate that they'll all match well - although it's a subjective process.
Cheers
Simon.
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The match with other metals is interesting to increase the variety of sculpts. The match with plastics may make an army more affordable.
I am in the middle of painting 8 of your Landsknechts and two mounted Men At Arms and I am very impressed.
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medieval clothing was made to last many years of course. Its the same issue with other ranges too, the Perry WotR plastics has variously dated harness covering a 40-50 year period. It's all down to how historically specific you want to be of course... :)
This has always sort of bugged me.
We know armour and clothing changed mostly through art and through the few examples surviving in collections and museums. But those examples are from the privileged and the rich. Fashions may have changed for the wealthy , and so they would paint their soldiers in high fashion and go to war dressed in the latest attire, But for the VAST majority of people surely the fashions of 50 years ago or the armour of 50 years ago was still what they were stuck with. You aren't telling me that the local lord scrapped his armoury because someone invented a new style of belt, and so he had to make sure all his men matched the fashion. here were most likely men going to war with 50 year old pieces of armour, hand me down uniforms or costumes sewn together from teh scraps left over from the last war. I know the Lansknechts dressed to display their welath and by proxy their skill, But even among a regiment of the welthy, someone is going to be the poorest and most likely wear the cast offs of the richer soldiers.
It always struck me as a very modern mentality to think that changes in arms and armour would and could be rolled out across the board in a period of mass upheaval and decentralisation.
In short : most soldiers probably didn't look like the paintings from the time in the same way i don't look like a catwalk model.
On the bright side these figures are damn sexy and now i'm wanting some! :)
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Hi, here's some pics of 'outdated' and old fashioned' armours taken from the Triumph of Maximillian where you would imagine only the newest and best would be illustrated, which suggest to me at least older styles persisted. Just look at Bruegel's paintings for a whole range of styles in infantry clothing. cheers Pete(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-iZAOwVks9gk/UBhaWIJtpFI/AAAAAAAAAPA/W1dbKbY1ASc/s1600/gothic+1.bmp) (http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-qEleeXL0ukU/UBhacRzjsKI/AAAAAAAAAPI/UX9RoL2ZcKU/s1600/gothic+2.bmp) (http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ZTUup2z-FyY/UBhairvx2QI/AAAAAAAAAPQ/EC0K6Lkjg_k/s1600/gothic+3.bmp) (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-59hYdHfpPHE/UBhan1bXLfI/AAAAAAAAAPY/DgsCLDTCrB0/s1600/gothic+4.bmp) (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-_yYpfFZGiAs/UBhas-GaDII/AAAAAAAAAPg/JrUHZNLb5c8/s1600/gothic+5.bmp) [img][http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-x8rNyTh4VtA/UBhazZJ1_YI/AAAAAAAAAPo/wSdl30dIMF8/s1600/gothic+7.bmp/img]
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(https://i.imgur.com/gw1MexS.jpg)
Armoured advancing pack painted (LAN 04) - these with halberds, but open-handed to be used as pikemen too.
Cheers
Simon.
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most soldiers probably didn't look like the paintings from the time in the same way i don't look like a catwalk model.
Don't sell yourself short!
Even what we think we know, we don't know. I recently got obsessed with accurately painting Italian arquebusiers in service of Edward VI. Eventually I came across an Italian mercenary circa 1549 in "Scottish Renaissance Armies 1513-1550" and decided to use him as inspiration. After contacting the author, it turns out his source was the Feselen painting "The Siege of Alesia"--which was painted in 1533 on the continent and depicts Caesar fighting the Gauls. (Nothing against this author--it's a good book and he was kind to respond to a reader inquiry).
Do we know whether the mercenary styles changed much in the two decades after the painting? Do we know whether the arquebusiers in service to Edward VI even dressed like Italians or had been in England long enough to look kinda sorta English?
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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Nice job!
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Older armour styles did linger, I did notice at least one 15th Century sallet tricked-out to look like a 16th Century burgonet in the range. There is a surviving example of one in a museum somewhere too. Even in the ECW armour stored since the Armada and the establishment of parish armouries, was issued to troops. Armour was damned expensive, apart from the cheap 'munition' types of varying usefulness. So yes old armour lingered on.
Clothing was almost certainly useless by the end of a campaign though, there's plenty of reports of troops dressed in rags. Looted cloth would be turned into clothing, supplemented by looted clothes. I doubt there were any comments like "OMG! Hans, 1504 just called, they want their clothes back" from about 1512 onwards.
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On my workbench today are eight 28mm Steel Fist Landsknechts. They were famous for slashed clothing in bright colours. The colours are plausible , based on a Landsknecht flag, rather than historically accurate. The bright slashes in contrasting colours took some patience, a small sable brush and dilute paint.
I have a rough plan. This was the first colour scheme that I liked. If I do go ahead and paint a small skirmish army of say 60 figures, then I will paint groups of six or eight at a time with a colour scheme. The final army will look like there is a lot of variety.
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/794/39173966980_fa411b48a6_o.jpg)
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Great Link here
http://www.berndbiege.com/landsknechte-auf-burg-stettenfels/ (http://www.berndbiege.com/landsknechte-auf-burg-stettenfels/)
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They look great- such nice figures.
The colours are plausible , based on a Landsknecht flag, rather than historically accurate.
Is that not the most realistic expectation? :)
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Comparative image of some Landsknecht figures.
Left to right: Warlord (plastic) / Warlord (metal) / Steel Fist / Steel Fist / Foundry / Artizan.
The lines are just to assist the eye.
(https://i.imgur.com/MSkYifA.jpg)
It's a personal and subject process, and its about sculpting styles and overall aesthetics, as much as head-to-toe height (we humans are not all the same of course). For me, I think they'll mix pretty well - which is good for those with any existing army units etc.
Simon.
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Artizan match very well - they are very close in height and bulk.
Actually I am sure that the Warlord will also look perfectly OK when painted up.
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Update on my Steel Fist figures.
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/797/40324452864_2d8a00c9be_o.jpg)
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They are a bit tasty. (and a bit orange!)
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This is the first batch and they have an orange / blue theme. There will be others in different colours.
By the time, I have a full army there will be a nice variety.
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Ah, thats a good way of building up a multi-coloured force while being able to actually finish figures.
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Update on my Steel Fist figures.
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/797/40324452864_2d8a00c9be_o.jpg)
They look great! The two new infantry packs you've painted up really work well as a small skirmish team.
What's your technique for gilded armour? It's a really nice effect I'd like to try someday...
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Nice work on those Mick - great to see them painted up!!
All the best, Simon.
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Gilded Armour
I undercoated in black. Next I dampbrushed / over brushed with a dark silver shade (Citadel boltgun metal or whatever it is called now), leaving black in the recesses. Next, paint an antique gold shade over the silver. Next a dark wash (Citadel Agrax Earthshade for Gold or Nuln Oil and for gunmetal with Gold highlights). Finally a dry brush of bright Gold (was called Shining Gold - I think it is now called Auric Armour Gold).
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Latest painting - pack LAN 3 in progress (with halberds added), with one figure to do (then basing).
Simon.
(https://i.imgur.com/ZxELbtw.jpg)
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Excellent painting Simon, very vibrant
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Very Nice :-*
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Wow, those colors truly pop Simon. Keep them coming!
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Excellent painting indeed.
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The two arquebusiers, from Pack LAN 8.
(https://i.imgur.com/nWwIbtv.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/UJHrwwR.jpg)
The crossbowmen next on the list.
Many thanks
Simon.
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Just when we thought it couldn't get any better, and then you posted those arquebusiers !
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Very well done :-*
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Like your painting style, it beings out the costume and colours very well.
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Very nice painting on those arquebusier. :-* :-*
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Landsknecht Locotenent - simple headswop on a SFM knight.
Simon
(https://i.imgur.com/smItEKL.jpg)
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That is fantastic :-* :-* :-*
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Bloody hell Simon :o :-*
That is simply superb. What a character.
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Stunning paint job :-*
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Wow
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Wonderful conversion and beautiful paint job.
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Absolutely wonderful. :-* :-*
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lovely, does your range match up with TAG?
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That locotenant somehow reminds me of a piece of artwork in the old Osprey Men-at-arms book about Landsknechts - which in turn may have been inspired by a certain old woodcut.
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Oh, that's special, that. I sometimes wish I had a hat like that. :)
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Hi Redzed:
Re "lovely, does your range match up with TAG?"
I'm unsure, as I don't have any TAG figures at the moment - i did a comparison to other ranges on Page 2 of this post - so if you know how TAG compare to Warlord, Foundry or Artisan, that may help?
When I have a TAG figure, I'll do another pic.
many thanks for all the kind words - armour is dead easy washes, as all the detailed work on the sculpting has been skilfully done by Oliver.
Cheers
Simon.
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Very nice work!
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That really is beautiful.
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Beautiful work!! :-*
Christopher
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Thanks for the kind words - have now completed the pack of Landsknechts with mixed shot.
(https://i.imgur.com/Wmpcqyf.jpg)
Cheers, Simon.
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Lovely work n those :)
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have now completed the pack of Landsknechts with mixed shot.
Top notch work Simon. This one goes in the keeper file for inspiration.
Where did you get the idea to decorate the crossbow limb? (Second model from left).
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Since1968
Composite and steel bows were ofter decorated (or covered in snakeskin, but can't paint that!).
Have a look at martyrdom scenes for St Sebastian at the time, where there are crossbowmen. Also, https://todsworkshop.com/pages/crossbows
Cheers
Simon.
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Final pack of first releases done - Command.
Flag by Pete's Flags.
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(https://i.imgur.com/CfroRIO.jpg)
Simon.
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Very evocative! Lovely!
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This is very nice! Landsknechts bring bright colors to the tabletop and these are very dynamic and well proportioned, not to speak about the lovely paintjob!
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Yep, lovely paint jobs on lovely figures 8)
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Wonderful painting. :-* :-*
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these look absolutely fantastic!
OMG what Im gonna do...
I.. must... resist... buying.. more.. minis... before... I paint.. those... I already... have...
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Excellent work Simon, shame I've missed this thread till now.
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Sensational sculpting and out of this world painting. Having got a large lump of this precious lead, I just need to find a painter good enough to do it full justice! Superb Simon. More power to you!
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Finally...got my front rank bases done, for my Landsknecht pikes.
More supporting ranks to be added.
Simon
(https://i.imgur.com/UQ5eN9M.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/3DVXT8A.jpg)
Simon.
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Looking amazing! I love the dynamic Zweihander chap. Keep up the great work!
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Landsknecht Locotenent - simple headswop on a SFM knight.
Simon
(https://i.imgur.com/smItEKL.jpg)
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Fabulous!!!
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Thanks for the kind words - have now completed the pack of Landsknechts with mixed shot.
(https://i.imgur.com/Wmpcqyf.jpg)
Cheers, Simon.
I love them :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
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Superb painting. :o :o
I haven't painted my doppelsöldner yet as I haven't decided whether or not to put them on the pikebase as you have done. The games I play are 50/50 about incorporating them into the landsknecht units and acting as a bonus or representing them as separate units so its a tough choice.
Putting them on the base look best in my view and it goes a long way in solving the problem with the pikes pointing forward if you have guys with great weapons running in front of the unit.
Nice job!
Cheers
Erik
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Update on my Steel Fist figures.
(https://farm1.staticflickr.com/797/40324452864_2d8a00c9be_o.jpg)
Mick - How did you get the "bronze" effect on the two armoured foot figures in the foreground?
BvW
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Mick - How did you get the "bronze" effect on the two armoured foot figures in the foreground?
BvW
I can't speak for Mick but I'm guessing that there are a few brown washes (light) in there as well as various mixes of (I still use Vallejo) metals?
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The five figures with gilded armour started with black undercoat then overbrushed with bronze ( Vallejo Bright Bronze).
After that, the figure was overbrushed with a highlight using Citadel Burnished Gold (or Vallejo Glorious Gold).
Them I washed the whole thing with Citadel Agrax Earthshade.
You have to redo the gold and wash a few times so that you get consistent bright highlights and deep shadows.
Sometimes, I mix a very bright silver with the gold to get an even brighter gold.
For metals, I like Citadel paints best and next I like Vallejo Game Colour. I use both interchangeably and mix them.
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Thanks, Mick - and Darrell. I'm more a Foundry Triad man, myself; but I think I have the equivalents of all the colours you both mentioned.
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Thanks, Mick - and Darrell. I'm more a Foundry Triad man, myself; but I think I have the equivalents of all the colours you both mentioned.
Baron, If I may interject, I think that you will get better results with the Vallejo metals. They have much more pigment in than the Foundry 'metals'. Unless I just got a bad batch of the Foundry paints?
Whatever, I'm certain that you'll love colouring them in :)