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Miniatures Adventure => Medieval Adventures => Topic started by: Tonhel on April 14, 2018, 11:18:12 AM
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Finally! :) :-*
From WSS facebook:
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:D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Nice! No new horses, it seems :( Can't have it all :P
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Oooh those look promising...well I mean it's perry it always looks promising...but still...oooh
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I was very excited until I looked closely. Actually, there is not a lot new there.
The bodies, sword arms and heads look like they are from the existing Agincourt foot knights set.
The horse is the existing one from the plastic WOTR sets.
I think only the lance arm, the shield and the two sets of riders legs are new sculpts.
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That is some very good news!
Do you know of any planned release date ?
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Yawn.
The WotR horses were never great. I was hoping for new horses for these....
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I was very excited until I looked closely. Actually, there is not a lot new there.
The bodies, sword arms and heads look like they are from the existing Agincourt foot knights set.
The horse is the existing one from the plastic WOTR sets.
I think only the lance arm, the shield and the two sets of riders legs are new sculpts.
Why do they need to be all new sculpts? It's a gap in their plastic HYW line that they are filling I'm not fussed if my mounted knights look a lot like my foot knights.
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Why do they need to be all new sculpts? It's a gap in their plastic HYW line that they are filling I'm not fussed if my mounted knights look a lot like my foot knights.
I for one am actually glad if they look more alike. Easier to make mounted and dismounted versions of the same fellow.
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I'm sure there will be plenty new parts. I'm curious to see more and so far these look pretty nice!
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I would really be surprised if we didn't get some new (barded) horses. It's not like the Perries to use only existing horses.
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Hopefully someone at Salute talked with the Perry twins about this upcoming set? Maybe CaptainBlood?
I assume these will be available at the earliest at Salute 2019.
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I assume these will be available at the earliest at Salute 2019
Although Alan didn't give any release date (they never do, which is smart) I would guess these would be out before the end of 2018...perhaps around the Fall. So not long to wait.
I have put some more detailed photos up here: http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=108357.75
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Although Alan didn't give any release date (they never do, which is smart) I would guess these would be out before the end of 2018...perhaps around the Fall. So not long to wait.
I have put some more detailed photos up here: http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=108357.75
Thank you! Those 3-ups look really good!
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The bodies, sword arms and heads look like they are from the existing Agincourt foot knights set.
The horse is the existing one from the plastic WOTR sets.
I think only the lance arm, the shield and the two sets of riders legs are new sculpts.
I don't think that's quite true - the sword arms all look new to me, and probably the left arms too. And how many times can you sculpt armoured torsos and arms from this period before they do all start to look very similar?
Nice! No new horses, it seems :(
It's true it would be nice to have new horses, even if just for more varieties. Especially if there were new horses that were a perfect match size wise with the WOTR, so you could mix both of them for both ranges.
The WotR horses were never great. I was hoping for new horses for these....
But, really? I think the Perry plastic horses in generally are without a doubt the best out there. Admittedly I only have experience with their WOTR, so if you mean their other plastic horses from other ranges are better still, then I wouldn't know. But for medieval horses, the Perry WOTR plastics ones simply CANNOT be beaten in my eyes.
I would really be surprised if we didn't get some new (barded) horses. It's not like the Perries to use only existing horses.
What do they do with their numerous Napoleonic cavalry sets? Do they all use the same horses, or different equipment on the same horse bodies, or entirely new horse sculpts for each new set?
Another interesting thing is the fact that the left arms seem to be separate. On the WOTR heavy cavalry set they are sculpted on to the bodies, which I think made for much more realistic poses in terms of arms holding the reigns tight to the chest..... These ones seem like the WOTR light cavalry, which were aren't quite as realistic for this reason. Still, I guess it means more variety in terms of different styles of arm and body armour matchups.
Just seen on the other thread linked above that apparently there will be some new horse heads. This is VERY good news for me! More horse variety is good.
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Excellent! I very much doubt they'll re-use many parts from previous sets - the amount of ever so slightly different sallets they did for the later Medieval range is somewhat insane, but does suggest they like that kind of thing. For conversion purposes, the separate left arm is very welcome. As is the entire set!
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There never was much hope, just fool's hope, as I have been told.
I think many of us just quietly had faith that this was coming some day. There's something very cathartic about seeing evidence that it's coming.
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Hopefully someone at Salute talked with the Perry twins about this upcoming set? Maybe CaptainBlood?
Per my comment on the other thread:
Yep. Just seen them and had a quick chat with Michael and Alan. HYW mounted knights next. US WW2 Mediterranean theatre next after that. The knights will have the existing medieval plastic horses but with some new heads, and the riders may well be in two halves to allow further intermixing of parts. Yay :)
The riders are all new sculpts. The horse frame is the same as the WOTR one, but as above, there will be some additional horse heads with new chamfrons. Barding / caparisons weren't mentioned.
But, really? I think the Perry plastic horses in generally are without a doubt the best out there. Admittedly I only have experience with their WOTR, so if you mean their other plastic horses from other ranges are better still, then I wouldn't know. But for medieval horses, the Perry WOTR plastics ones simply CANNOT be beaten in my eyes.
This. The Perry WOTR horses are streets ahead of any other plastic horses out there for the medieval period.
In terms of a release date, there was a very definite 'they're next' which would tend to suggest sooner rather than later. I'd guess this side of Christmas, certainly, if not sooner.
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There were two horse bards in each of the WOR men-at-arms sprues. Let's hope they duplicate the concept for the Agincourt mounted knights.
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They are pretty clever chaps, so glue on caparison sections might be doable. I hope so anyway, I need some for my WoTR box sets. Those late-type shields will get nicked for sure too, along with a few arms and leg sets.
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I'm sure they'll prove to be a popular set, I want some and I don't do Early 15th Century. :)
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From their newsletter:
Mounted Agincourt Knights 1415-29
These, designed by Alan, are next in line for plastic production. He’s only just started, so when more variants done we’ll show them.
The bodies are split so you can introduce a bit of movement from the waist as the helmets of the period didn’t allow the head much side to side movement. There may be one or with bodies and legs attached to allow a looser coat, fashionable during the period, to be included. There will be some bodies with fixed left arms and others with separate ones. The idea is to fit as many variations of the riders as possible on one frame. You will also be able to use arms from the present Agincourt box sets with these.
The intension is to do one large frame as per the WotRs mounted men at arms. Horse armour was tending to go out of fashion during this period as fighting on foot became more popular, so space on the frame will dictate if any is included (although something probably will). Likewise cloth barding was usually now only reserved for commanders, kings and tourneys. Again it would be nice to include it if there is enough space.
The horses are Michaels’ WotRs horses. There was no need to remake these or make additional ones as the basic tack remained identical through most of the 15th century. Alan plans on making a couple of additional horse heads with earlier chanfrons (as these were a little different) and shorter crinet on the neck.
Obviously no release date on these as they’re only just started.
Sounds great!
More pictures from their facebook page:
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They look very nice indeed. Do hope in the future we see a further set for lighter cavalry like they have for their later medieval range. A kit that allows you to build mounted archers and such would be amazing.
Steve
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I will most certainly buy some of these. Hope they do arrive in 2018.
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Ooh, a falchion! Nice!
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Amazing news... just what I was hoping for. Even better that they are next in the queue!
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There were two horse bards in each of the WOR men-at-arms sprues. Let's hope they duplicate the concept for the Agincourt mounted knights.
Actually there are four sets of barding per sprue (two in Italian style, and another two in German style) on that sprue. It would certainly be nice to see something like that for this set - if they are going to do a full-size sprue for these then there should be lots of space available.
As for release date, I would not expect to see them out before early 2019, considering that they have been just started. And for comparison, plastic sets shown in Salute 2018 took around nine and twelve months until they were released.
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I was told by Alan they would probably be ready by Crisis which is on november 3 this year.
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Looking at the mounted men-at-arms sprue again, I have to say I forgot how loaded it is; twelve heads, three horses heads, and four bards. I hope this is duplicated on the HYW knights.
As far most men-at-arms fighting dismounted and not needing barding misses the point - these are mounted men-at-arms. If the French kept a part of their knights mounted at Agincourt, presumbably these would have been the best equipped. In any case, I am sure many people using these knights might use them for Italian, German, Spanish or other armies that usually fought mounted. The more variety of barding the better.
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Commercially, I think that the bardings are a very good idea.
If I had access to plastic figures, I would paint up some of the famous mounted Knights with their heraldry on the barding.
That would mean that I need different sets for Agincourt, Battle of the Herrings, Patay etc.
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Splendid. Now, I was just about to glue together my last WotR cav.. to wait for new bits, or just accept the need of another set when these arrive? Not even too intersted in cavalry, but they sure look nice...
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So. Bloody. Nice.
If I had a fairy godmother (or is it a genie?), one of my three wishes would be that the Perrys made dark ages figures. ;D
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New update was just posted on the Perry Facebook page. The set will apparently include everything! Barding, light cavalry/mounted archers...
It looks like it will be an incredible set
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YES PLEASE.
Seriously, these are just as good as their agincourt foot soldiers. It's awesome.
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Not bad... >:D
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How does these an the Agincourt foot scale up to fireforge foot seargsnts? Anyone know ?
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How does these an the Agincourt foot scale up to fireforge foot seargsnts? Anyone know ?
From what i've seen, the big issue is not the overall height but the scale of the details. Agincourt dresses are actually realistically proportioned, no need for exaggerated laces and studs. Even next to their WotR cousins they look... more adult. Next to fireforge they look just a bit odd.
That of course unless you start mixing the parts together. You'll lose a bit of "coherency" but the differences will get blurred.
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Thankyou :)
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Those latest greens look fantastic!
@3 fingers: Fireforge mini's are of much lower quality in design, aesthetics and detail. Perry and Victrix are imo A+, while Fireforge and etc is more of a B-. Not bad, but certainly not of the same quality as Perry and Victrix. Imo ofcourse. ;-)
Fireforge mini's are also smaller than the Perry HYW.
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Sculpts so good, you buy them even if you have no need for them, use for them and even if you don't normally like the period very much. Looks to be another fantastic set, possibly the best one yet.
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They look superb, I’ll buy them even though I need earlier 100YW figures and then leave them half-finished for 3 years and then sell them at a loss lol
But why mounted archers? Surely that’s a limited requirement that could easily be satisfied by a metal set?
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Brilliant. Can’t wait :)
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Ok, they are really interesting. Wonder about them, in February they talked more about Colonial and Napoleonic. Now this step in the different period. But, I hope for more. Maybe some ECW in Platic and the toy soldier World is ok again.
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A must have definitely!
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But why mounted archers? Surely that’s a limited requirement that could easily be satisfied by a metal set?
I expect the intent is to not only allow mounted archers, but also valets de guerre and the less wealthy of the men at arms to be made from the set too. Cap-a-pie 'White Harness' was hardly ubiquitous amongst what we call 'men at arms' now.
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I think facebook said you could make 12 men at arms from the box. It says the bodies are separate from the legs.
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I think facebook said you could make 12 men at arms from the box. It says the bodies are separate from the legs.
Even more interestingly, it said SOME of the bodies are separate to the legs whilst some are not, and SOME have separate left reign arms and some don't.
As for the mounted archers, I think if they've got some more lightly armoured bodies there, why the hell not throw in a couple of right arms with bows too?
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I expect the intent is to not only allow mounted archers, but also valets de guerre and the less wealthy of the men at arms to be made from the set too. Cap-a-pie 'White Harness' was hardly ubiquitous amongst what we call 'men at arms' now.
Good point, I’m thinking more like a painter than a converter.
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These look amazing, been really looking forward to this set. Very happy to see Alan has included parts for mounted archers and more lightly armed troops on the frame.
Steve
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Good point, I’m thinking more like a painter than a converter.
As Charlie said, the addition of a bow-holding right arm (and presumably an arrow bag) to the sprue is no big deal if it creates another option. I imagine replacing the bow with a spear wouldn't be an issue.
Based on the WotR boxes, I'm sure we'll be spoiled by the options offered. :)
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Absolutely superb as usual bythe twins!
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As for the mounted archers, I think if they've got some more lightly armoured bodies there, why the hell not throw in a couple of right arms with bows too?
Certainly agree, if there is sprue space available - and those parts do not take very much of it. Also, they already did it for the 1450-1500 light cavalry set.
In any case, they are essentially an optional extra, those who don't want mounted archers can instead use the arms with pointy sticks.
Also, having extra bow arms left over from this kit will allow for mixing them with the bodies from the earlier infantry kits to provide more variety in archer units. I guess the release of this cavalry set will also result in added sales of the previous infantry sets when modellers want to mix leftover cavalry bits with infantry bodies.
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Those certainly look tasty. I better get stuck back in assembling some more of my 3 boxes of HYW spearmen... ::)
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These look great already and considering that one box can have so many options is absolutely fantastic. One box to rule them all.
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Wonder about them, in February they talked more about Colonial and Napoleonic. Now this step in the different period.
This is hardly surprising, since Perry twins have been supposedly talking about a possible 1415-1429 cavalry set since spring 2016, soon after the release of the second plastic infnatry set for the same period.
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This certainly looks like a fantastic box. The one disappointment is it appears there isn't any cloth bardings. It would be nice to have one (set) for the heraldry of a few nobles and/or leaders.