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Miniatures Adventure => Age of the Big Battalions => Topic started by: Renaud on May 15, 2018, 10:42:29 AM
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Very nice sculpting. Hoping this kickstarter will spark some interest here, its author seems not having enough time to invest in massive communication.
https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/eborminiatures/ebor-miniatures-28mm-seven-years-war-french-infant/description
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I wish him best of luck.
But I'll be absolutely gob smacked if this funds.
Not because the target is unreasonable, because is isn't.
But the campaign is desperately lacking IMO...
No detail of what the box will contain and a general lack of imagery
No incentive to go for multiple boxes - single box price should have been higher with a discount for quantity.
Lack of promotion; to stand any chance the campaign needed to be spammed everywhere well in advance of it starting to build momentum.
Shame because the one picture looks good :'(
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Much as I regret to say, Dags is right. I would really like a range of SYW miniatures in plastic, but there is too few information to decide me to commit. :'(
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I had exactly the same thoughts and did suggest some changes on TMP.
If people (on average) pledge for 4 boxes he is going to need 500 backers which is a big ask for a single box of 28mm historical plastics...
Mike
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Wow, this is well worth backing!
I hate to say it, but yeah, this needs more buzz. I'm usually all for the proper use of KS (in terms of small companies getting either new or niche stuff into production and on shelves), less inane internet chatter and horribly undignified 'marketing' (= getting on the nerves of as many people as possible), less stretch goals and 'free toys' and so on. But a few more pictures and a better overview would be a good idea.
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Remember when I first read about these miniatures in early 2017 but had totally forgotten about these new miniatures. As mentionned above I'm afraid that the Kickstarter will fail due to a lack of advertisement, information, pictures and incentives for backing the Kickstarter.
I only hope that Warlord Games won't buy these miniatures mid-Kickstarter as happened with the Pro Gloria Landsknecht miniatures Indiegogo to release them years later and in multiple boxed sets instead of one set ... But I really like the preview miniature and of course hope the Kickstarter will be a great success for the owner of Ebor Miniatures, if not during this campaign hopefully in a better supported project in the near future! It's always nice to see more plastic kits especially when companies are trying to break into the market with new exciting historical periods and nothing bad with some competition for us customers between plastic miniature producing companies.
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A few more pictures of the first 3up, the Box will contain two officers in open coats, two officer ensigns in open coats a drummer and an NCO with turn backs.
It will also contain 30 musketeer miniatures in two slightly different poses with 6 Grenadier heads in Bearskin bonnets and six in Tricorn with moustache.
cheers Nick
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Nick
Those are good pictures. You should definitely add them to the Kickstarter campaign. It would help people to decide. I had already made a contribution and now I am glad I did.
More information, the better.
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I pledged as well (and i'm very, very picky when it comes to that). Thanks for the additional photos! All the best for the further campaign; I'll plug it.
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Thats good info and I see you've added it to the campaign. You should now post those pictures above as an update.
One of the big difference between Kickstarters that fail and succeed is that successful ones have plenty of updates so people feel the creator is involved...
Mike
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That green is very nice indeed. I don't do plastics so I won't be backing but I wish Mr Ebor all the best.
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I've backed for one box but as it's a period I don't really game I don't need many. The green looks brilliant but I agree with everyrhing mentioned already. Unfortunately I can't see it funding, with how Kickstarter works. A massive shame because this is exactly what it should be for.
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Thats good info and I see you've added it to the campaign. You should now post those pictures above as an update.
One of the big difference between Kickstarters that fail and succeed is that successful ones have plenty of updates so people feel the creator is involved...
Mike
Absolutely, love Matt Bickley sculpts and the 1 minis looks great but does sadly look to me doomed not to make the target and seems to have launched far too quickly, perhaps sketches, impressions, suggestions of contents, some fluff and hype...even a logo? if people buy a box each it needs one hell of a lot of boxes. or do boxes at normal price £28 after KS that would then give you a huge feeling of a bargain?
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Absolutely, love Matt Bickley sculpts and the 1 minis looks great but does sadly look to me doomed not to make the target and seems to have launched far too quickly, perhaps sketches, impressions, suggestions of contents, some fluff and hype...even a logo? if people buy a box each it needs one hell of a lot of boxes. or do boxes at normal price £28 after KS that would then give you a huge feeling of a bargain?
Perhaps if a few special character metals would be included with higher pledges, it would motivate more people to invest. Dunno, maybe a mounted colonel?
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I don't collect plastic figures so it's not for me, but for those who want SYW in plastic these would be excellent figures. The sculpter (Nick?), is obviously a very talented man.
Good Luck,
James
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It is a worthy project and the initial sculpts are nice but the economics of plastic production just don't strike me as being
appropriate to this period. With such good sculpts I would have preferred metal miniatures and something approaching an ambition for a full range for at least one army.
It is a shame because a "new" Seven Years War range in the chunkier style (ie unlike the lovely Minden and Crann Tara figures which have their own appeal) is much needed. The Foundry offerings are very old now though still nice and Black Hussar's pace of production is glacial.
Ebor should emulate what he has done for the earlier Marlburian and GNW era and do a full range in metal.
But i wish the project well nonetheless.
Curassier
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It's a noble idea bound to fail for several reasons:
1. Your marketing of this is appalling. On your tmp press release the title doesn't even mention they are plastics! That alone would double the interest.
2. Zilch on social media. Kickstarters need momentum.
3. Jusy one box of one type of figure for such a niche period is an incredible risk. Could you expand it to cover all French infantry options plus any other swaps, options you can, to expand it otherwise, you're selling one box but people will still have to spend a fortune on metal for the rest.
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Jazbo, I agree with most of what you say. I disagree about the need for multiple boxes for French infantry. A plastic box with infantry in turnbacks, with tricornes or bearskins could cover all the infantry needs in most major battles. The box probably is not perfect for guards, but these were rare in the SYW. They are also not perfect for legion infantry, but as I recall the main difference is the head, which could be covered by separate metal heads. In any case, separate light troops were peripheral in most major battles. Some people might prefer French without turnbacks, but as a first release the turnbacks make more sense as they can be reasonably used for an entire French army. Rather than having multiple infantry boxes, a box of line cavalry would be much more useful - although I cant say whether it would be economically feasible.
I might also say that I wonder whether a box of Prussian infantry isn't more feasible. The uniform was used by many states in Germany, and the figures could be reasonably used for Hessians in the AWI.
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To counter the pessimism exhibited in this thread; some plus points are that the existing green is superb (why don’t we see more of Matt Bickley’s Work?) Secondly there seems to have been a chorus of whining for this period to be addressed in plastic since the first of the modern hard plastic figures appeared. Also the GB Pound is very cheap right now for overseas buyers. Ebor have run a successful Kickstarter campaign previously (although for metal figures) so they are not complete novices.
I will back this campaign even though I don’t need any more French infantry. Plastics make conversions very easy and I would be very surprised if the range didn’t expand into metal figures on the back of a successful Kickstarter.
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To counter the pessimism exhibited in this thread; some plus points are that the existing green is superb (why don’t we see more of Matt Bickley’s Work?) Secondly there seems to have been a chorus of whining for this period to be addressed in plastic since the first of the modern hard plastic figures appeared. Also the GB Pound is very cheap right now for overseas buyers. Ebor have run a successful Kickstarter campaign previously (although for metal figures) so they are not complete novices.
I will back this campaign even though I don’t need any more French infantry. Plastics make conversions very easy and I would be very surprised if the range didn’t expand into metal figures on the back of a successful Kickstarter.
Yes! And while many people are now spoilt by very professional crowdfunding, the fact is it is best meant for these kind of projects, where the author invests more in the products than in the marketing. Here we have an established brand, small but with good renown in our hobby, and its only "easy" access to the funds needed to produce plastics is through us.
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A great idea but lacking in so many key areas, as others have rightly said. This is not about being negative but about the fact that if you want to be successful in raising funds you have to be able to pitch your idea in a much more convincing manner.
The 3-ups look descent enough....Renedra will do the production, which is good...but as others said, there is no 'buzz' about the entire project to get people to 'buy'. This project is just doomed to failure...not because the idea isn't good but rather the pitch is just lousy....sorry....but the guy doing this really needs to learn how to properly market a product.
Moreover, why only 2 different marching poses for 30 figs??? I can understand the costing ideas but if you do 3 standard body marching poses you can then do the arms separately to create a load of variety. It will also making casting easier, as you can get better detail out of the 3-ups. Yes, people will have to put them together but let's face it, those that will invest in this project will make that effort.
As I said, a great idea and I would love for it to succeed...but sadly I can't see this one making it.
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Yes! And while many people are now spoilt by very professional crowdfunding, the fact is it is best meant for these kind of projects, where the author invest more in the products than in the marketing. Here we have an established brand, small but with good renown in our hobby, and its only "easy" access to the funds needed to produce plastics is through us.
I absolutely agree, and I'm not entirely happy with all the kind of 'bound to fail' talk in some posts. We can do our part in spreading the word about this, and we can make suggestions, but I think it's rather bold to post "this is going to fail, and here's why".
Nothing more off-putting than a loud and sleek KS. Sure, this one's rather at the other end of the spectrum, but even if it doesn't fund - who cares? Put it up again, right? With some lessons learned and some tweaks made.
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I for one will be offering up a sizeable wad of cash once these have been released.
I feel that the failure of Wargames Factory/Warlord and their WSS due to unattractive sculpts has not helped the period as far as companies risk/reward calculations go.
The on the other hand........ Looking forward to the Prussian or British/Hanoverian offering.... hint......
John
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I for one will be offering up a sizeable wad of cash once these have been released.
I feel that the failure of Wargames Factory/Warlord and their WSS due to unattractive sculpts has not helped the period as far as companies risk/reward calculations go.
The on the other hand........ Looking forward to the Prussian or British/Hanoverian offering.... hint......
John
Not entirely sure the WSS range failed. I mean I don't have any sales numbers. I guess the plastics are serviceable for massed armies and for the time when they were released. I think the problem is more that the WSS isn't among the more "popular" wars and let's not forget that the trend, even then, already went in a fantasy skirmish direction.
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Nice looking sculpts but I already have masses of unpainted Front Rank SYW French to paint.
If they could be scaled down to 15/18mm then I would be interested.
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Then do your part, the company proposing the range aren't!
It's bound to fail because of poor marketing. That's not being negative it's being realistic having been in marketing and kickstarter projects for years.
The guy hasn't even found and followed a "kickstarter 101" guide for crying out loud.
You get out what you put in. Is Ebor sending the message "we will pull out all the stops to make this happen" ?
No.
I absolutely agree, and I'm not entirely happy with all the kind of 'bound to fail' talk in some posts. We can do our part in spreading the word about this, and we can make suggestions, but I think it's rather bold to post "this is going to fail, and here's why".
Nothing more off-putting than a loud and sleek KS. Sure, this one's rather at the other end of the spectrum, but even if it doesn't fund - who cares? Put it up again, right? With some lessons learned and some tweaks made.
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At the end of the day, if you don't blow your own trumpet no one else will.
We all get sick and tired of the "ours is best, new, shiny, buy it or lose it" mantra, but a certain amount of enthusiasm and marketing is required to carry things through to a positive conclusion. I don't think that Ebor is cut out for this game - so he needs a business partner who is, simple (if he can find someone and has the ability to trust).
Once upon a time I knew a man who had somehow managed to wangle the sole regional 'global' rights for distributing the products of a VERY well known hobby brand. He cocked it up by trying to do everything without the marketing skills, and the resources. If he had the former the latter might not have been so important (this was pre-kickstarter, pretty much, and the product was already available anyway). If my friend had taken on a business partner with the skills they might both have made a packet - as it was he lost everything.
I fear something similar is happening here. We have a product that will sell once produced, but the enthusiasm to see it through, for further related releases to become available in short time, isn't.
It's not, IMHO, entirely Ebor's fault. The man has a dream, and his prospective product is top notch. The thing is, in this hobby, people are very wary of one off 'submissions' that might not lead to 'full ranges'.
BTW, I'm not marketing myself as 'the man' for the job (I didn't with my friend, though I offered the same general advice) - I'm not interested in this side of the hobby. I wish Ebor luck, but I really do suggest he gets a partner who has the drive and skill set to see things through.