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Miniatures Adventure => Pikes, Muskets and Flouncy Shirts => Topic started by: bigredbat on May 27, 2018, 08:06:14 PM
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I'm thinking possibly useful as Spanish? They are lovely minis and I'd like to paint some but I'm not looking at doing the New World. There's an obvious lack of pike minis, but I suppose that might be remedied...
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I have been planning on doing the same thing. I don’t think fashion is different for the guys crossing the Atlantic.
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They are such nice sculpts, seems a pity not to do something with them.
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what period of italian wars you prefer ? 1498, 1520,1540 ?
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I was thinking of the bit when the Spanish were in those mixed formations 1/3 shotte, 1/3 pike, 1/3 bucklers? Not sure on the years.
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I have them as swordsmen and arquebusiers for my Spanish of the 1490-1510 period. They are fine. I have TAG pikemen alongside them, who are a bit on the short side but ok.
I'm using Eureka mounted Conquistadors as Genitors. Primarily because I picked up some second hand which were beautifully painted.
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You can compare them with the TAG Neapolitan/Spanish troops which are intended for the early phase of the Italian Wars (circa 1494 - 1510 or so, the era of "el Gran Capitan" Gonzalo Fernandez de Cordoba- the first and second Italian Wars). They certainly would fit in with them.
http://theassaultgroup.co.uk/product-category/renaissance/spanish/
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I agree that the Foundry Conquistadors make excellent Spanish, especially the arquebus and sword and buckler men.
(http://i1304.photobucket.com/albums/s540/garybourne/Italian%20Wars/Arquebus202_zpsrildqw4w.jpg) (http://s1304.photobucket.com/user/garybourne/media/Italian%20Wars/Arquebus202_zpsrildqw4w.jpg.html)
I haven't got round to choosing the pikemen yet although erring towards using the TAG Spansh/Neoplitan figures.
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Thanks all- the TAG minis on that link do look like a good match! Tempting.... :-)
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Hi Simon,
I have a few in my collection too though I don't use them so much for colunela. The last recorded use I have of that formation is Ravenna 1512, when they were badly mauled by Gaston de Foix's French army. After that I believe they tended to operate as traditional pike squares supported by massed arquebus (or vice versa, as at Biccoca 1522). Certainly by 1522 the 'attached' company of swordsman had been dropped from the pike establishment, though I dare say a few bands of gents armed with sword were still kicking about.
The thing that stops the Foundry figures being useful for colunela are the morion and cabasset morion looking helmets which didn't start coming into use until at least 1530, and they are more suitable for post 1550. Also plain, un-slashed medieval type hose (men in tights) are a better bet for the earlier stuff. Nice figures though, so it depends on how fussy you are going to be.
Helmets should be more like this, and arquebus in 'Italian' hats and more medieval looking 'munition helmets' for up to 1522 ish (figures by the Assault Group); I've used a lot of Old Glory but that's because I started collecting them before this range came out - but right up your street I reckon:
(http://theassaultgroup.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/d_2427.jpg)
(http://theassaultgroup.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/d_2511.jpg)
(http://theassaultgroup.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/d_2429.jpg)
(http://theassaultgroup.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/d_2421.jpg)
My Spanish colunela figs by Old Glory - cheap as chips and just as tasty:
(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-cpX44puGjfU/WWdfGDZJ8TI/AAAAAAAAMLg/MTgwauUa-vUHwgqbn4Eet4-xOuRUVDY7wCLcBGAs/s1600/IMG_1442.JPG)
Regards,
James
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Good points James. You have me thinking about my use of figures now.
I will just have to buy some more I suppose!
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Thanks James- that is very useful indeed- not ideal, then!
I must say I've not previously seen the closeups of the TAG minis- they are terrific! A better way to go.
Your painted OG minis look excellent- did you do the flags, too?
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Yep, the flags are home made. At Partizan we talked about flags and command stands. Might I suggest this for Italian Wars from the start. It will save you money and painting time on figures as you'll only need to change the flags. I've done it on all of my Italian Wars stuff.
Post link:
https://olicanalad.blogspot.com/2010/07/top-tip-flags.html (https://olicanalad.blogspot.com/2010/07/top-tip-flags.html)
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/_WzUta4JPR-o/TFKhVlD2k9I/AAAAAAAACdY/VMYQpGCkJTQ/s1600/IMG_4909.JPG)
(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/_WzUta4JPR-o/TFKhU3E2fpI/AAAAAAAACdA/wVsB7i62xE0/s1600/IMG_4912.JPG)
TAG Italians painted up with changeable flags, and oh look, it's that Medici flag again. Crossbows are Front Rank WotR with some big Miliput turbans added. Arquebus are also Front Rank, WotR handgunners :
(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-i7Y8khtsxlQ/WVk_myoA5UI/AAAAAAAAMKQ/4494ATdMS6o2gdyJ920cDSOtEykLRhAYgCEwYBhgL/s1600/IMG_1415.JPG)
My collection is very eclectic, with stuff from Old Glory, Front Rank, TAG, Essex, Foundry and others. Choosing to go this route has allowed me to get stuff for just about everything and because the collection is so mixed (though units are generally from one manufacturer) it somehow makes the whole lot blend. There's a right old mix in this shot.
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-bW6-ij9bsq4/VJqMGIQFbjI/AAAAAAAAIzk/yUyoEOMHYIc/s1600/IMG_9181.JPG)
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Hi James, I must confess that I an coming to the idea that your idea of the detachable flags is a sound one! Although my general strategy, in wargaming, has always been to make as much work for myself as possible, I will absolutely nick that. ;-)
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This bit of info will help then.
Tubing for the flags is aluminium 3/32". The pole is 0.047" (or a bit more than 1 mm) piano wire. Both are available on ebay.
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Thanks and well anticipated- I was going to ask! :-)
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While we are on the subject, if one was to use the Foundry Conquistador figures as swordsmen and shot as Spanish in Europe, which manufacturers figures would be suitable as pikemen of the same period?
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You could stick with Foundry I guess, Late 16th / Late Tudor range,
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/1505/0474/products/LIZ004_1024x1024.png?v=1495526185)
(https://www.wargamesfoundry.com/collections/late-16th-century-1560-1610)
and TAG do something similar, I believe, though their site is down for maintenance this minute.
Look out for anything in a morion.
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Hi Olicana, wouldn't they be rather smaller than the Conquistadores? I've not seen them in person but I have the Perry ECW which are nice but a tad smaller than Copplestones.
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Possibly, the 'Copplestones' are a chunky bunch. TAGs might be a better fit for height.
They do fit nicely with the Front Rank WotR stuff for size. In this pic, the unit with arquebus, the ones about to take on the crossbow unit in the foreground, is a Front Rank unit with a smattering of Foundry Conquistadores. That's where I mixed mine in, though for later stuff FR is not so hot. Having just checked on size, they wouldn't look out of place mixed with Old Glory stuff either.
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Emo3u5q4N2I/VJRZLvTPEoI/AAAAAAAAIxI/bgZQtTpkYNU/s1600/IMG_9155.JPG)
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I think you'll find that the Foundry Elizabethans are quite a bit shorter than the Conquistadors. I seem to remember that the Elizabethans are ever so slightly taller than the ECW but, because they were sculpted (for Citadel) in the 1980s, they are still 25mm rather than the larger Conquistadors.