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Title: White hem lines on hats
Post by: 6milPhil on July 07, 2018, 11:49:47 AM
A lot of the mini's from this period have hats which have white hems on the top edge.

For me they're the hardest part of the whole thing, drives me to distraction, so how does everyone else do them?

Has anyone tried using a paint pen for these? Or any other shortcut will do...
Title: Re: White hem lines on hats
Post by: vodkafan on July 07, 2018, 01:09:28 PM
In 28mm I just do them free hand with a good pointed small brush and it's not too bad. I actually don't mind doing it. Same with lines down trousers. You get better with practice, but I sometimes have to touch up the edge  with the black hat colour or trouser colour  about 50% of the time afterwards.
In smaller scales I guess a pen would be the best option.
Title: Re: White hem lines on hats
Post by: has.been on July 07, 2018, 02:32:00 PM
I use white acrylic gel pens (In the UK they are available from 'The Range' & most art supply shops).
If I want to show the troops are 'Levellers'  (ECW socialists/communists) who wore green ribbon,
I use a green highlighter over the white (once it has dried) it doesn't matter if the highlighter goes over the hat, as I have them black and it tends not to show.
Another technique is to paint the hat the ribbon colour, then paint up to the ribbon with the colour you want the hat to be. Believe me it is easier to get a neat ribbon that way.
Vodkafan  is right, it will get better with practice.
Title: Re: White hem lines on hats
Post by: FifteensAway on July 07, 2018, 03:00:36 PM
As above, paint hat, paint trim, touch up with hat color, touch up with trim color, touch up with hat color.  Yup, sometimes takes that level to get it 'right'.  I do 15 mm (imagine that) and make it work.

I suspect there are very few of us who can 'paint it right' the first time without the touch up effort.  And touch up goes beyond just the hat.  Well, at least for me.
Title: Re: White hem lines on hats
Post by: Plynkes on July 07, 2018, 03:08:38 PM
As above, paint hat, paint trim, touch up with hat color, touch up with trim color, touch up with hat color.  Yup, sometimes takes that level to get it 'right'. 

Sounds about right. On a particularly bad day it is the above times 5 for me.  lol

Out of interest, what exactly are we talking about? Is it the tape or lace trim on a tricorne, or something else? (not too well-versed in this period)

Title: Re: White hem lines on hats
Post by: Ramirez Noname on July 07, 2018, 04:03:26 PM
As above, paint hat, paint trim, touch up with hat color, touch up with trim color, touch up with hat color. 

Ditto - just painting the lace on a load of Galloping Major "60th Brits". Luckily enough they have the lace well defined, making them easier to paint.

RMZ
Title: Re: White hem lines on hats
Post by: robh on July 07, 2018, 05:20:05 PM
Paint the whole hat the hem colour then paint up to it with black. It is far easier to paint large areas up to a detail.
Title: Re: White hem lines on hats
Post by: ffrum on July 07, 2018, 05:29:44 PM
Yes it does get better with practice.  I have an excessive number of F&IW figures and painting the hat ribbons/lace is a frequent operation.  To paint the lace line, I use a medium to fine brush and then touch up with the hat color.  The Dixon, Front Rank and Galloping Major figures are easy to complete.  Sometimes the figures without an included ribbon molded onto the hat are a challenge.  I find using a brush angle from below (respective to the figure) the hat with a good flow of paint makes the process go quickly.   It is all a matter of too little time and too many figures in too many periods!
Title: Re: White hem lines on hats
Post by: Orctrader on July 07, 2018, 09:05:27 PM
28mm figures, I actually don't use the tip of the brush but the side.  Load the brush, then slide it along the edge of the hat.  Then touch up with black, but honestly, this is a rare requirement.

The hat band is more tricky, but like others, I paint white then touch up around with black.  I'm very particular about neat edges.   ::)

(http://www.orctrader.co.uk/Images/FrontRank/1685_Kings_Men.jpg)

(http://www.orctrader.co.uk/Images/Historical/1672DutchPike%20%281%29.jpg)

Title: Re: White hem lines on hats
Post by: Captain Blood on July 07, 2018, 10:50:30 PM
Yep. Side of the brush. That’s the technique I use too.

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/11/577_01_10_12_6_21_06_2.jpg)
Title: Re: White hem lines on hats
Post by: 6milPhil on July 09, 2018, 12:03:31 AM
Blimey, plenty of food for thought everyone - thanks... but also the kind of photographic joy which has me snapping my brushes in two...
Title: Re: White hem lines on hats
Post by: Andrew_McGuire on July 12, 2018, 02:34:44 PM
If you have the patience, applying some narrow masking tape might help, though I imagine this would be tricky in itself. There are very narrow and flexible types available now, from Tamiya. One is reviewed here:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ur_uW6y-Mpk
Title: Re: White hem lines on hats
Post by: 6milPhil on July 12, 2018, 07:22:52 PM
Yeah I have used old page layout border tape before. Tbh that's a step too far.
Title: Re: White hem lines on hats
Post by: Rogerc on July 12, 2018, 07:48:53 PM
I used to use the edge of the brush too which worked really well. I recently tried using a white gel pen (Uniball Signo about £2.50 from ebay) and I have not looked back, much easier.

(https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1765/43027265062_568e9347eb.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/28yaYRC)100_6371 (https://flic.kr/p/28yaYRC) by Roger Castle (https://www.flickr.com/photos/152172226@N06/), on Flickr
Title: Re: White hem lines on hats
Post by: Andrew_McGuire on July 12, 2018, 07:56:56 PM
Yeah I have used old page layout border tape before. Tbh that's a step too far.

I thought it was perhaps somewhat OTT, but might be worth considering. Another thought has since occurred to me, but at least until such time as I have personal experience to go by, I'll keep it to myself.
Title: Re: White hem lines on hats
Post by: carlos marighela on July 13, 2018, 10:42:12 AM
“Yep. Side of the brush. That’s the technique I use too.”

Woohoo! I’ve being doing it right all these years and never knew. Richard’s endorsement has made my day.
Title: Re: White hem lines on hats
Post by: 6milPhil on July 14, 2018, 09:59:05 PM
I used to use the edge of the brush too which worked really well. I recently tried using a white gel pen (Uniball Signo about £2.50 from ebay) and I have not looked back, much easier.

Aye my first effort below.

I thought it was perhaps somewhat OTT, but might be worth considering. Another thought has since occurred to me, but at least until such time as I have personal experience to go by, I'll keep it to myself.

Sure but I'd like to make it quicker after all.

Got the paint pen and charged at a black hat with it...

I  took two coats...
(https://i.imgur.com/dx3KkhB.jpg)

and is a bit cocked, purely me and a first approach, ikely to get tidier with practice.
(https://i.imgur.com/ivdF2Y3.jpg)

but then tidied up by blacking in as RobH suggested and I'm happy with it...
(https://i.imgur.com/PJMJdHm.jpg)
Title: Re: White hem lines on hats
Post by: Rogerc on July 14, 2018, 10:11:28 PM
Wont get much better than that. Looks ace.
Title: Re: White hem lines on hats
Post by: Captain Blood on July 14, 2018, 11:15:55 PM
Works a treat Phil  :)
Title: Re: White hem lines on hats
Post by: OSHIROmodels on July 14, 2018, 11:30:10 PM
Very smooth mate  :)
Title: Re: White hem lines on hats
Post by: Rogerc on July 15, 2018, 03:46:58 PM
Gel pens are useful for hat tape (white, yellow, silver and gold) but also to highlight metalics, I use silver to put an edge onto swords for instance. I havent used them for anything else yet.
Title: Re: White hem lines on hats
Post by: Orctrader on July 15, 2018, 06:35:25 PM
Yep.  Looks very tidy Phil.   :)