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Miniatures Adventure => Fantasy Adventures => Topic started by: sir_shvantselot on August 11, 2018, 05:00:02 PM
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Had a game. Some cool mechanics. Liked how the animals fight on as they get injured but eventually give up the ghost on heroic fashions. Great double entendres too as my fox polishes off your bunny etc. Also a good use for some old Warhammer terrain.
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Nice - I came into the fantasy board looking for some Burrows and Badgers.
Tempted to get it and some minis.
Any suggestions?
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Nice work! Great looking minis. :)
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Nice - I came into the fantasy board looking for some Burrows and Badgers.
Tempted to get it and some minis.
Any suggestions?
Make sure you get the rule book from Books Etc. http://www.booksetc.co.uk/books/view/-9781472817921
Much cheaper. Pick any minis you like frankly bearing in mind the restrictions on how many big ones you can take in a crew. Tactically I’ve found it good having birds as they can get anywhere, and having at least half little creatures just to add numbers for between game activities and for scuttling around in scenarios. But good to have at least one hammer of a souped up character.
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Painted up an owl. What can I do to make the dark brown markings on the back more realistic?
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I'd drybrush them with a lighter brown. This should reduce the contrast to the rest of the wings' upper sides a little.
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I'd drybrush them with a lighter brown. This should reduce the contrast to the rest of the wings' upper sides a little.
Yes. That’s the problem and the solution. Thanks.
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Your owl's looking good! I agree, a drybrush with a lighter brown would improve it, then maybe even a very light drybrush with a cream colour?
Not much help now, I know, but when I painted mine I started white, and added the browns with ink washes, which worked pretty well. Might be worth doing to add some markings to the underside of the wings, maybe.
I don't know if you use Facebook at all, (I know a lot of people aren't keen on it) but if you do, the B&B Group is really good:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/burrowsandbadgers/ (https://www.facebook.com/groups/burrowsandbadgers/)
cheers,
Michael
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Your owl's looking good! I agree, a drybrush with a lighter brown would improve it, then maybe even a very light drybrush with a cream colour?
Not much help now, I know, but when I painted mine I started white, and added the browns with ink washes, which worked pretty well. Might be worth doing to add some markings to the underside of the wings, maybe.
I don't know if you use Facebook at all, (I know a lot of people aren't keen on it) but if you do, the B&B Group is really good:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/burrowsandbadgers/ (https://www.facebook.com/groups/burrowsandbadgers/)
cheers,
Michael
What a game when the creator responds to one’s minor painting queries. I have followed your suggestions and the owl looks better already. Also think you’re right re using washes or normal colours with flow medium and letting your amazing sculpting do the heavy lifting in terms of detail! Had a couple of days off and between kids’ drop offs did these... we’ve played a fair few games in the Pit Gaming Shop in Borehamwood and a few of us have signed up for your latest Kickstarter, for which I think deliveries are reasonably imminent following your videos. Lovely game and some fun mash ups of concepts. I haven’t done a Landesknecht since GW Empire in the 1990s. And the Elizabethan dressed pussycat with caliber was super fun. I’m not on Facebook but there’s plenty of people here collecting up Burrows and Badgers and your supplement looks interesting too.
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Lovely looking warband! :-*
I'm glad you're enjoying it! And yep, the Kickstarter's about ready to go - the first 40 or so will be going out today, and we'll work through the rest of them over the next 7 to 10 days, I expect... then I can finally get back to finishing that supplement! I really want it ready before Salute.
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Really, really solid painting and good news on my Kickstarter stuff to boot! What's not to like about this thread? :D
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This game has been calling my name. Lovely work
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lovely figures and paint-jobs.
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lovely figures and paint-jobs.
Thank you. Couldn’t resist painting the beaver. Basher the Beaver. Does what he says on the tin. And he’s got a shield with the white rose of York. Can’t belive the store website doesn’t paint it as York or Lancaster!
I have a rules query by the way. When you generate items available for purchase at the end of the game one or two items have no cost - are they free at the market? I think the bespoke magic items.
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I have a rules query by the way. When you generate items available for purchase at the end of the game one or two items have no cost - are they free at the market? I think the bespoke magic items.
No, they have a cost... at least, they should! For some reason the editor removed various paragraphs from the tops of the charts. :?
From the FAQ:
Q - How much do Magic Items cost to purchase?
A - It’s 3d20 pennies, regardless of the item. Sometimes you get a bargain, sometimes it’s horribly expensive!
Page 122 should start:
‘Magic items take various forms, from ensorcelled Staffs that give great power to the Wizards who wield them, through rings and necklaces imbued with bound spells, to weapons and armour that carry enchantments and the spirits of the fae folk within them.
Such unusual and rare items are difficult to price; as a result their costs vary widely. In addition, sellers may often be unaware of the power of the item, and sell it for less than its true worth. Regardless of the magic item type or power, it costs 3d20 pennies.’
Q - Rare item : Relic. There is no cost listed; what do they
cost?
A - They’re 2d6 pennies.
You can get the FAQ from the Files section of the B&B Facebook Group, or from Mediafire here:
http://www.mediafire.com/file/396x9axd5f1aurc/Burrows%20%26%20Badgers%20FAQ%20and%20Errata.pdf (http://www.mediafire.com/file/396x9axd5f1aurc/Burrows%20%26%20Badgers%20FAQ%20and%20Errata.pdf)
Cheers,
Michael
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Thanks for the link to the FAQ. We found it very helpful.
Most fun game of Burrows and Badgers yet at the Pit Gaming Shop, Borehamwood, Hertfordshire.
3 crews.
Mine were an owl and two small birds, a wildcat (boss), hare (deputy), marmot, magic using squirrel and a mouse with bow as the only conventional ranged capability. So quite combat heavy but fast mobility with “da boids”. 60 balance points (after three games).
Never counted exactly but one other crew was very shooty (rabbit with bow, fox with pistols, fox with bow and cat with caliver).
The other crew had two wildcats, a badger, a shrew and a medium sized magic user of some description - oh yes, black rat. So pretty combat heavy.
The scenery was a massive church built by the indomitable store owner with a lot of trees and walls around it. Oh yes, and a river running just in front of where my crew set up - stranded other than a bridge on the wrong end of the church.
This became important as the scenario was find the treasure chest in the end of the church nearest to me, at the centre of the table, and on the wrong side of the river, and drag it back to your table edge.
The crew with two wildcats had some den upgrade that meant these two started the game on top of the treasure chest in the middle of the table. Boo.
My crew had to wind its way slowly around the river to get to the middle of the table, over the bridge. Except the birds. They landed on the side of the building and waiting for the wildcat to move, so he could not fight back. The birds sat by the window, and watched. Always watching. The sky suddenly darkening with the flutter of wings. Even the wildcats, inside the church, started to feel a bit nervous.
The shooty third player moved forward and started shooting wildly at the rump of the wildcat crew stuck on the starting side of the church...with their wildcats now stuck in a room in the church in the middle of the table. A vicious battle ensued by the starting edge. The wildcat crew exchanged magic against the incoming shooting and though nobody died, many were wounded and some spell destroyed a lot of the shooty kit of the shooty crew (whose caliver went futt quickly). The wildcats’ badger went wild and wiped out a number of the shooters but eventually succumbed.
Meantime, the wildcat with the chest had to slowly drag it out of the church. Upon which the owl and other birds swooped down and took him out. Who said wildcats are hard? But the second wildcat, protecting his mate, and humiliated by “da boids”, pounced on the birds and took out the owl and everyone who tried to jump him seemed to fail a fear test, meaning he escaped multiple attacks without injury.
The slugfest between the shooty crew and rump wildcat crew continued on the other side of the church.
Whilst the remaining wildcat was pinned down by my birds and a hare, my wildcat had eventually crossed the bridge and grabbed the chest, making decent headway dragging it back.
The enemy wildcat started to succumb to wounds and the (originally) 2 wildcat crew bottled out and fled, having fought a losing war on two fronts. Serve em right for showing initiative and grabbing the chest first.
The mauled shooty crew, less it’s losses and missing many weapons from the weird spell used on it multiple times, took one look at my reasonably fresh heavies crossing the bridge to support the wildcat dragging the chest...a marmot, mouse with bow, hare and a squirrel with lightning....looked at the remaining two birds, and bottled it.
The chest and lots and lots of treasure to me...to me...to me.... dah dah dah dah duh duh etc. It will go towards the beaver. At least someone who can swim next time.
Some confusion over whether you need to roll a seven not to roll on the injury chart if the target is 6. But we rolled sevens.
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I should not have looked at this post.
Great story, love the photos.
I have been looking at Burrows and Badgers for awhile now.
Trying to decide to get in.
The problem, tons of unpainted figures.
Will I ever get them painted.
Well a look at their website, who knows what may happen. ::)
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I should not have looked at this post.
Great story, love the photos.
I have been looking at Burrows and Badgers for awhile now.
Trying to decide to get in.
The problem, tons of unpainted figures.
Will I ever get them painted.
Well a look at their website, who knows what may happen. ::)
I have loads of projects but this one genuinely needs only half a dozen for the first ffewnagmes and there’s a max of ten. Also the sculpts are by hand not CAD. So each bit that was lovingly done by a hand can be painted easily by a hand. Not like some talented dude with computer game design experience who’s blown up the mini to the size of a large screen monitor and piled in as much detail as a CGI extra to game of thrones or lord of the rings. So I’ve actually painted around 13 badgers and burrows figures over the last few months on the side.
Gratuitous pic of the beaver and his bit on the side, watching the game but taking no part as yet. Not enough coin offered yet. But my winnings from last game will sort that!
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Not mine but someone in the Pit Gaming shop, Borehamwood, is pulling together a pirate band including converted land ship as their burrow.
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Kelmarsh country show. I wasn’t there but someone shared pics on our Badgers and burrows WhatsApp group.
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The pirate ship looks amazing! I really want one of those...
The Kelmarsh show game looks great, too - the Phoenix Gaming Club do some impressive stuff!
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Another cool game of Burrows and Badgers at the Pit Gaming Shop Borehamwood.
My crew has rocketed to 100 points with the addition of the juggernaut that is Basher the Beaver. Basically, my crew doesn’t need to pay upkeep and has basically won four games in a row with minimal casualties and so has picked up enough cash to grow to 9 minis - the beaver; wildcat; two little birds; an owl; a marmot; a mouse; a hare and a squirrel magician.
I was down to play the shooty crew with five minis involved in the game last week described above, on 50 points. He was supposed to be supported by another crew and I thought they could gang up on me. But the third player wanted to half watch and half play PlayStation. Or something young people play online these days.
So I saw some Rorke’s Drift scenario in the rulebook where the shooty crew could stay in a house and for every bloke either of us had in the house at the end of the game we got a point and some cash.
I assumed the enhanced fox leader with bow, Robyn Hood, fox with brace of pistols and rabbit with bow would cause some damage, there’d be a fight for the house for the shooty crew behind cover and we’d see if my crew bottled it before taking too many losses.
And the shooty crew got loads of balance points I use my semi precious stones collection for.
But...
The shooty crew focused on shooting at my squirrel mage hiding behind a rock for two turns, the nimblest of my entire crew. And did some damage but the squirrel went and hid.
My little mouse with bow caused a wound on the shooty rabbit which blooded him...and then McTweetie, a finch who rolled a strength skill and now has voice of command , charged the wabbit and got his two birdie mates to do the same. Which did for the rabbit.
The shooty crew then left its cover and charged animals towards my heavy hitters.
We lost the hare but took out two of the shooty crew’s big hitters - the Landsknecht otter and their hare.
The shooty crew voluntarily routed towards the end of turn two.
They saw the beaver, marmot and wildcat walking towards them and even the fox with pistols in the building didn’t fancy his chances.
But that meant I had nobody in the building or touching it and got no cash or extra experience for winning ... :(
My nine crew went wandering and picked up enough cash for another large animal and somehow got a small animal for free (Max 10 I know).
My crew is so far advanced from the others the honourable thing to do (and to avoid more dirty comments)...is to start a new crew and see if others catch up.
The balance points in no way made up for the difference...but no rules set really does. My crossroads cult in Dracula’s America also became too hard too quickly.
Only one rules question...presumably when there’s a roll off both parties decide how many fate points they using to add extra dice rather than the counterparty waiting for the result?
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The pirate ship looks amazing! I really want one of those...
The Kelmarsh show game looks great, too - the Phoenix Gaming Club do some impressive stuff!
I’m more into painting then mass scenery sculpting...
But one for a future release.
This is the pool for my new crew that hopefully won’t shoot ahead. The scenery is by the scenery guru that is the owner of the pit gaming shop.
I’ve had such fun with the rules and loads of people seem up for Burrows and Badgers in the area.
May I ask why you can’t make a whole crew from frogs? I have some Todorini Flintloque frogs dressed up in Napoleonic French uniform I’d love to make a band of Royalists out of. I imagine they wouldn’t be very effective as caliver are intentionally a bit duff but hey...some of your fantastic sculpts are already venturing into the early Victorian...
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Only one rules question...presumably when there’s a roll off both parties decide how many fate points they using to add extra dice rather than the counterparty waiting for the result?
Yes, both sides can use fate points at the same time, but must declare that they are using them, and how many, BEFORE any dice are rolled. :)
May I ask why you can’t make a whole crew from frogs?
You can make one, they just don't get the Single Species bonus. Basically, frogs in the game's background don't operate that way! Not that you'd know, as we didn't have room to fit in much of the background, sadly...
I didn't actually want to allow any single species bands, but enough people asked during playtesting that I grudgingly allowed a small number in the end.
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Liking the set up. I’m in the middle of (have been for years!) a pirate port and now realise I could use it with B&B.....
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Liking the set up. I’m in the middle of (have been for years!) a pirate port and now realise I could use it with B&B.....
I’d love to see a pic. Here’s my most recent painted B & B figure. Looking forward to the latest Kickstarter figures...
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Lovely work, he look a right rogue!! :)
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Lovely work, he look a right rogue!! :)
He does indeed! Wow. Looks like I haven’t painted any Burrows and Badgers for more than a year! Well. Till today. Death from above...
I read a whole legal case once about an inshore wind farm being refused permission because it was going to kill red kites. And here one is...
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Yes, both sides can use fate points at the same time, but must declare that they are using them, and how many, BEFORE any dice are rolled. :)
You can make one, they just don't get the Single Species bonus. Basically, frogs in the game's background don't operate that way! Not that you'd know, as we didn't have room to fit in much of the background, sadly...
I didn't actually want to allow any single species bands, but enough people asked during playtesting that I grudgingly allowed a small number in the end.
Sorry. Realised I never thanked you for your response. From the mouth of the creator! Looking forward to getting the latest Kickstarter order. The heroes one. Only fancied the Bishop amongst the witch hunters. Any chance of getting him on his own?
Also realised I have painted these over last year. Todoroni from Alternative Armies fit in well and may see about sprucing up the French Napoleonic elves and using them as squirrels.
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Great job on the red kite!
We're not allowing individual minis to be added on to KS pledges this time (basically, we're trying to keep it as simple as possible, as there's a hug amount to get through, and only two of us to do it, and we don't want to be late delivering!). Sorry!
W'll get them all into the webstore as individual minis after th KS has delivered, though.
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Great job on the red kite!
We're not allowing individual minis to be added on to KS pledges this time (basically, we're trying to keep it as simple as possible, as there's a hug amount to get through, and only two of us to do it, and we don't want to be late delivering!). Sorry!
W'll get them all into the webstore as individual minis after th KS has delivered, though.
Entirely fair enough! Looking forward.
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what lovely figures and painting.
despite a big sell-off to 'the last nazgul' a little while back (including the rules unfortunately) I think I still have the figures, and must look to paint 'em up.
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what lovely figures and painting.
despite a big sell-off to 'the last nazgul' a little while back (including the rules unfortunately) I think I still have the figures, and must look to paint 'em up.
Thank you Bloggard. Did you ever get round to getting back into this? I’ve scheduled a game at my FLGS for a couple of months. I hear there’s another Kickstarter coming. Time to read the rules again. Had fun doing a few videos on YouTube also of my past efforts:
The Concept - “Burrows & Badgers” #1
https://youtu.be/w0q4ZxfguQ0
Birds in “Burrows and Badgers” #2 (Red Kite, Kingfisher, Goldfinch and Owl)
https://youtu.be/oyQkV-TMQXE
Wildcats for “Burrows and Badgers” #4 (Osprey Games)
https://youtu.be/f98PiwAPFGw
Foxes painted for “Burrows and Badgers”#5 by Osprey Games and Oathsworn Miniatures (Fennec Fox)
https://youtu.be/XjAOoL3WSsk
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I enjoyed those videos! :)
I agree - Voice of Command is a useful one for birds... they tend to die easily if they fly off on their own, but in a gang like that, they're very effective.
I've not got much experience with flames and OSL myself, but here's two methods I've tried:
Otter Mage OSL (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/oathsworn/burrows-and-badgers-beasts-of-northymbra-anthro-mi/posts/2335414)
Hedgehog Witch Hunter with torch (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/oathsworn/the-dark-the-devout-and-the-heroic/posts/3147173)
cheers,
Michael
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I enjoyed those videos! :)
I agree - Voice of Command is a useful one for birds... they tend to die easily if they fly off on their own, but in a gang like that, they're very effective.
I've not got much experience with flames and OSL myself, but here's two methods I've tried:
Otter Mage OSL (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/oathsworn/burrows-and-badgers-beasts-of-northymbra-anthro-mi/posts/2335414)
Hedgehog Witch Hunter with torch (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/oathsworn/the-dark-the-devout-and-the-heroic/posts/3147173)
cheers,
Michael
Those are amazing! I have painted about twenty five Burrows and Badgers minis but as my opponent hasn’t I thought I’d crack out some of many unpainted minis. Was good fun. My kind of game. I gave two bow wielding characters pain poison, positioned them in the Mordheim building after my opponent left his leader in the open right in front of it. I won initiative and used voice of command for the first archer to strike the enemy leader along with his mate. Both hit as I used a balance point for each to double the chances. The leader was crippled and kept losing initiative rolls till they were easily and eventually taken out. I know that makes me a bad person. Albeit my opponent ran Olly the otter up the stairs to seek redress from the two: Squirrel Nutkin and Hetty hedgehog only escaped with their lives because the hare wizardess, Hoppity the Hare, mind “pushed” the otter out of a large window. His toughness 3 meant he suffered no fall damage. But he did take 3 wounds of impact damage from being pushed rear first into a tent pole just beyond the window. Fun all round. Why don’t you let my opponent, store owner of the Pit Gaming Shop carry the range or still no retailers? They do a lot of shows. We got a lot of interest from store onlookers. Largely chuckling at the cute character names carrying out horrendous acts of violence and double entendres. Maybe it’s cos I’m innocent or not originally from the U.K. but frankly the chuckling every time “badger” was said was just incomprehensible…and puerile.
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Did another video:
Burrows and Badgers painted hare + unboxing loads of other Oathsworn miniatures
https://youtu.be/3g59-TLwbfc
And see Michael is doing some lovely water voles and newts. Both European protected species and the bane of built development projects.
https://www.beastsofwar.com/news/water-dwellers-previewed-oathsworns-burrows-badgers/
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Thank you Bloggard. Did you ever get round to getting back into this?
sorry - missed your query - no, and I think the figures have now gone (possibly sequestered away somewhere, but if so, I'm not sure where!).
no reflection on the game or figures obviously.
Enjoying your adventures with it / them. Great stuff.
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Thanks for sharing the new sculpt info, they look really good.
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Brill stuff :-*
I’d get into B&B like a shot if I didn’t have a room (my office) full of miniatures et cetera :)
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Brill stuff :-*
I’d get into B&B like a shot if I didn’t have a room (my office) full of miniatures et cetera :)
I have the same, but thought "sod it" and got them anyway as they're such lovely figures.
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I have the same, but thought "sod it" and got them anyway as they're such lovely figures.
I did worse. I have a garage full of figures.
And I picked up something from each of the kickstarters for years even though you only need about 10 figures for a faction.
They really are very beautiful though.
And I have painted about a third of all the figures.
Would be good if there was some form of simplified rules to play with like 10 year old kids as the rules are too mathematical for them I think.
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I've used Fistful of Lead for games though I do like the main rules.
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I've used Fistful of Lead for games though I do like the main rules.
I need to look into those.
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Burrows and Badgers - Streets of New Castle Kickstarter unboxing
https://youtu.be/zd3sCC1tS1Y