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Miniatures Adventure => Medieval Adventures => Topic started by: Silent Invader on October 01, 2018, 07:20:46 PM
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The ‘official’ thread for my game at BLAM18 in just under 3 weeks time.
Set in the mid-13th Century, a Chivalrous Rumpus Extraordinaire is an unusual affair. The Baron Radin is of advancing years but bereft of offspring. His lands extend beyond the horizon, his coffers are bulging and his only opportunity to secure an heir that will treat his legacy with the necessary respect is through the marriage of his Saxon ward, the beautiful Maid Marilyn. The Baron loves a Tourney and, being quite the warrior in his youth, wants nothing less than a lion for his adopted daughter, whom he adores. So his heralds have ridden far and wide, issuing an open invitation to Knights to do battle for her favour.
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The Tourney will be bloody, with no quarter to be expected, as the Baron expects absolute commitment from whomever will inherit his estate.
The Tourney will be fought at an abandoned monastery, a cursed place, with the Baron and his ward watching from the adjacent village. One of Maid Marilyn’s finest scarfs will be placed somewhere within the monastery, and the Knight who returns it to her will have her hand, should she so want it.
The game
Rules will be a variant of FFOL: Horse & Musket. The variances will be put up as soon as I’ve decided them.
Players will be a maximum of 6 (if desired, I will run more than one game).
Each player will command a Knight with his retinue (a team). The Knight must survive the game - if the Knight is killed the whole team must immediately withdraw (if they have the scarf, it must be left where it is).
A standard team will comprise 4 x 28mm minis, all on foot, all in a common livery:
1) A Knight (usually with a closed helm) in mail and tabard with or without shield
2) A serjeant (usually with an open helm) in mail and tabard with or without shield
3) A spearman &/or swordsman with or without shield in helmet and gambeson
4) An archer with bow or crossbow (no shields) either armoured in helmet and gambeson or unarmored
Some options are available:
A) One of the two Knight and serjeant can have a pole (two-handed) weapon OR other second weapon (excludes daggers, which every mini is assumed to have); a mini with a pole weapon cannot carry a shield
B) Can have a mounted Knight (with a matching dismounted alternate) but a serjeant is not then permitted (team size =3 on the field)
C) The archer can be replaced with a second spearman or swordsman
D) A spearman or swordsman can be replaced with a second archer (but there can never be more than two archers)
E) The serjeant can be swapped for two replacement minis of any mix of spearmen or swordsmen (team size = 5 on the field)
EDIT 2/10: some clarifications added, including changing the incorrect use of man-at-arms to serjeant
Players are welcome to bring their own teams but they must conform to the above and be painted and based. You are very welcome to post your teams in this thread but it is not compulsory. However, if you are intending to bring a team I urge you to flag it with me so that a) I know you’ll likely be a player and b) I can flag early on if there’s any problem with its conformity. Ta!
Any problems with the above, just ask by PM if you want to keep it secret or otherwise in this thread.
I will bring a selection of teams (I’ve just started painting them .....); FYI my minis are the Later Crusaders by Crusader Miniatures.
So, to the field of battle:
NB: minis need to have their bases repainted
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There will be prizes, as hinted at in a photo above, in the form of some fine Belgian beer. The winner will get a bottle of 8.8% Cornet and the loser a bottle of 0.4% Sport Zot (the Fool).
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ZEE LIST
LIKELY PLAYERS (* = bringing own Knight with Retinue):
Captain Blood*
Hu Rhu*
OSHIRO modelterrain*
Elk101 (early depart)
Malamute (possibly, maybe, perhaps)
Dr De’ath*
Dr. Zombie (early depart)
Eric The Shed (possibly)
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Excellent. Looking forward to it. :)
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Count me in. Minis built and undercoated. Painting begins at the weekend.
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Hurrah to you both!!
EDIT: I’ve started a list at the bottom of the first post
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Very promising, count me in :D
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I'm definitely up for this though unfortunately my medieval stuff is much later.
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A superb looking game and it sounds like it will be great fun to play, I will be following this thread with great interest. :-*
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That is going to be a hell of a game!
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Thanks chaps.
I’ve added OSHIRO modelterrain and Elk101 to Zee List 8)
Cheers Martin, much appreciated :D
That is going to be a hell of a game!
Your Nordic flair will be missed! :D
Btw, I’ve added some clarification to the team wordage. Also, I realised that I have been typing man-at-arms when I mean serjeant. It’s a correction of title rather than change of mini or function: think of the serjeant being a rough sort, the Knight’s right-hand man, most useful on the battlefield to watch his back or carry out a mission, but somewhat lacking in class and manners to join the noble folk at the banquet table.
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Count me in, if:
A) The figures turn up.
B) I actually paint them.
C) I don't change my mind and revert back to doing this in 40mm again.
;) lol
PS the set up looks grand. :)
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Count me in too!
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What a great idea!
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Thanks folks :D
I’ve added Malamute and Dr De’ath to Zee List.
If making your own Retinue etc, please bear in mind that spears and bows etc in gambesons but with chainmail sleeves and chainmail socks will still count as lightly armoured, so don’t stress about getting anything but the Knight and the Serjeant into mail. :)
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Sir Renaud de Brassey & retinue are ready for the fray...
Come on down if you think you’re hard enough...
(Which almost guarantees they will get wiped out straight away... lol)
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What are you going to do? Bleed on me?
:D
Right, who’s next?
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Gorgeous!!
Nb: As a point of note, Captain Blood’s team comprises a mounted knight with a foot alternate, a spearman and an archer. 8)
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I am torn betwen having a mounted knight or two foot knights. Not sure what the advantages are for a mounted figure in the game (apart from the obvious longer move). Any ides of the pro's and con's.
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I am torn betwen having a mounted knight or two foot knights. Not sure what the advantages are for a mounted figure in the game (apart from the obvious longer move). Any ides of the pro's and con's.
Fighting and moving on horseback have, as you say, their obvious advantages. The table is up so you can see the lie of the land. The scarf will be within the monastery, some parts of which will be inaccessible to horse. And once dismounted there will be no remounting.
Ignore what I wrote in the BLAM thread, it’s a knight and a serjeant (though the latter can look like a poor knight). Knights will obviously have more fighting power etc than serjeants, and serjeants more than spears. If you swap the serjeant for the horse and dismount early, then you could be at a major disadvantage if your solitary knight, clutching the scarf, runs into a knight aided by his trusty serjeant.
As an aside, some - not you, of course, Gary! :D - might be tempted to sit astride their horse and await the scarf to appear in the open. That will likely be a poor tactic, as the Maid Marilyn will unlikely take the hand of a knight who has not committed to the fray by leading from the front. After all, the Baron wants his heir to be a lion!
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Gorgeous!!
Nb: As a point of note, Captain Blood’s team comprises a mounted knight with a foot alternate, a spearman and an archer. 8)
Three men?
He’s fucked ;) lol
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Three men?
He’s fucked ;) lol
I think we should make doubly sure that this is the case >:D
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I think we should make doubly sure that this is the case >:D
A cunning plan ;) >:D
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I'd love to take part but sadly I have volunteered to run a Sudan game...pop me in the reserve list if there is time please
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I will probably have to leave around noon. But if the game is on in the morning I would love to join. In any case I will see if I can dig up some minis for this and get them ready. If only for the challenge of it.
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Yeah let’s pick on Richards pretty boys!!! :D
No worries Giles. And Frede, I’ll make sure we get a game on first thing!
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This is looking fantastic!
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I don't think I need to go until about lunch time so I'm definitely in the queue! Especially if there's some grudge matches.
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This looks like a very cool project. The captain's minis look great as ever!
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Thanks folks :D
Am busy painting minis at the mo but will have an update very soon ;)
I don't think I need to go until about lunch time so I'm definitely in the queue! Especially if there's some grudge matches.
Good news Steve !
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Wouldn't miss it mate!
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Some long promised images of example teams ....
Four minis from left to right:
Knight (closed helm), Serjeant (distinguished in this case by open helm) and a mix of spearman and/or archer. One of the Knight or Serjeant can have a pole weapon and the archers can be either crossbow or longbow. The spearman can instead be a swordsman. Spear/swordsmen and archers can be either lightly armoured (gambeson - any Mail won’t count) or unarmoured and archers can’t have shields.
EDIT: I’ve just noticed that in some of the images I’ve used a spearman with the wrong shield pattern (12/8)
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In the top image the Serjeant is swapped out for two extra spear/sword men. Archers aren’t compulsory (as per images above) but in any event can’t exceed two.
In the bottom three images the Serjeant is swapped out so that the Knight can be mounted. Once dismounted (using the knight’s foot alternate) the Knight cannot remount.
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Clear as mud Steve ;D
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Clear as mud Steve ;D
You’re a nightmare ::) :D
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But you love me really. lol
They look jolly nice, looking forward to the clash or arms on the 21st ;D
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:-*
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Clear as mud Steve ;D
Makes perfect sense to me :)
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Wicked!
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Here are my boys. Benedict of Cumberland :D
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Sausage! ;D
Look grand James 8)
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The rules mods for the game are attached. Note these are the mods to FFOL:HM; they can’t be played without the full ruleset (which is available in PDF as well as paper). :)
See page 5 for latest (edited 20/10)
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Looking forward to it and not winning >:D
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:D
I’ve also attached a copy of the play sheet: I’ll bring copies for the day.
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Note that I’ve amended the post and the attachment for the Mods as I made a mistake ..... apols
Basically, a crossbow takes 2 actions to reload. A long bow takes 1 action unless it breaks a string etc (rolling an unmodified 1) in which case it becomes 3 actions.
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Might be painting my retinue over the weekend. Any ideas how to pack them to survive the trip?
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You playing on Sunday as well?
Tissue them bubble wrap should be fine.
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Gonna try
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Good man :D
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I’ll get a game started as early as possible on the Sunday as there are a few early departures
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9:00 would be a good start depending on hangovers ;D
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Remind me on Thursday 😁
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lol
Like that’s going to happen ;D
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Here are my boys. Benedict of Cumberland :D
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Nice Brushwork
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A couple more Retinues scratched from my Yellow & Blue army. Varnish still needs about another 12 hours, which might account for the shine.
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I don’t think I’ll get any longbows painted in time so my ‘pool’ of Retinues can’t have them.
I’m also still struggling with names ::)
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Nice :)
Which varnish are you using? 12 hours seems a bit long.
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The Winsor &Newton Matt.
First coat
24 hours
Second coat
24 hours
Is the regime I work to. If I go less than 24 it always seems to be a bit glassy
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A couple more Retinues scratched from my Yellow & Blue army. Varnish still needs about another 12 hours, which might account for the shine.
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I don’t think I’ll get any longbows painted in time so my ‘pool’ of Retinues can’t have them.
I’m also still struggling with names ::)
I love these. What are you using for bases?
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Thanks. They’re just superglued to 25mm steel washers with sand used to blend over the integral mini base.
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Well it’s going to be colourful 8)
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Here are my boys. Benedict of Cumberland :D
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Lovely, Jim. A fearsome lot, to be sure.
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Frederik Christian Rosenkrantz, has made his way from Denmark for the chance to get his hands on maid Marilyns ample and curvy... lands.
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Nice!
Rosenkrantz looks formidable 8)
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Have updated the rules Mods - see post on page 3 for changes and new pdf
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Excellent Frede.
Snazzy heraldry! :-*
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Thanks.
I have cheated a bit on the Heraldy. In Denmark we were really late movers on the whole heraldry business. So this is a simplified version of the Rosenkrantz heraldry as it looked when one of them meet Shakespeare and got immortalized in one of his plays.
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A little late (I have been finishing off my BLAM game) but here is my contingent vying for the fair maid's hand.
I give you Sir Guy de Winter and his retinue (none of whom are called Bob!!!)
(http://i1304.photobucket.com/albums/s540/garybourne/IMG_20181016_134935_zpslj0plsnj.jpg) (http://s1304.photobucket.com/user/garybourne/media/IMG_20181016_134935_zpslj0plsnj.jpg.html)
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Very nice Gary.
Who are they by - nicely active in their posing 8)
Ps: you’re not late ...... I only finished painting the fair maiden today
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Very nice Gary.
Who are they by - nicely active in their posing 8)
Ps: you’re not late ...... I only finished painting the fair maiden today
Thanks. They are from Fireforge, the Knight is one of their foot Templars with a cavalry great helm and the others from their foot Sergeants. I was tempted with a mounted knight - I even undercoated him but when I read you scenario I decided against him. I'll paint him to match later.
In due course the retinue will form part of my Outremer force for a future (long way off) project.
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Very nice 8)
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I present Sir Ronald de Barker and his retainers. Eager to win fair Maid...
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Excellent!!!
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Lovely!
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The Official Announcement ......
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Later today or possibly tomorrow I shall put up the final rules mods, which will include use of jokers and which parts of the terrain are Difficult. I’ll also do playsheets for the teams that have been declared and post up images of the six - Yes, SIX! - retinues that I have painted in the last couple of weeks.
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Wonderfullly painted - I like the used color palette.
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The cast of characters.... all from L to R
Baron Radin de Beaumont, Maid Marilyn, Sir Wymond Talbot
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Nichlarse The Unfunny, Steward Geoffroi, Cantrell the Herald
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Bertwald and Cedric, the Grooms
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Sundry villagers to spectate
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And a refresher of the known contenders (so far):
Sir Renaud de Brassey (Captain Blood)
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Benedict of Cumberland (OSHIROmodels)
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Frederik Christian Rosenkrantz (Dr.Zombie)
(https://i.imgur.com/s2ktJOh.jpg)
Sir Guy de Winter (Hu Rhu)
(http://i1304.photobucket.com/albums/s540/garybourne/IMG_20181016_134935_zpslj0plsnj.jpg) (http://s1304.photobucket.com/user/garybourne/media/IMG_20181016_134935_zpslj0plsnj.jpg.html)
Sir Ronald de Barker (Malamute)
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Plus my own various Knights .....
Sir Roger de Bewles
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Sir George de Hussey
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Sir Aubri de Marche
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Sir Robert de Curtsey
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Sir Gilbert de Morran
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Sir Hugue de Mersee
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A quick reminder that those with a mounted figure are actually 3 man groups as the foot knight is an alternate to the mounted knight
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Final rules mods (v4)
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Looking forward to an after-action report !
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The only picture I took.
The Heroic Sir Ronald de Barker enters into combat with some ponsy French knight who fell off his horse and a Scandinavian man at arms.:
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Thanks for sharing the mods.
In the document could be great if you add the organization of each warband, although your were repeating from the post.
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A hugely entertaining game. I only got a few photos too, this was my crossbow man / gardener who spent most of the game skulking in the bushes. Our game was won in fine style by Dr De'Ath (even if I did try and stab him in the back right at the end).
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Great pictures Steve and Nick. :-* Unfortunately I don’t have any of any merit. ::)
Thanks to all the players who really did enter into the spirit of the occasion. I’m not entirely how I’m going to do AARs of the two games ...... :D
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Does anyone else have any pictures? If so I’d be most grateful if you would share. :)
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I have posted a link to my pictures in the "Well that’s another one over...." thread. Feel free to grab them. They mostly document the struggles of Sir Rosenkrantz up til the point where he caught a glimpse of the maid, thought better of it and headed for home.
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Thanks Frede, much appreciated. 8)
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Courtesy of Dr.Zombie, images from the first game:
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Unfortunately Dr.Zombie had to depart for a flight home and so his photo story ends before the game reached its conclusion. Thanks for taking part Frede!
And my solitary image also from the first game ....
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FFoS = Fist Full of Sword or Steel? What did Jaye think of the amendments?
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I call it Fistful of Steel but only when talking to myself as it’s unofficial. ;)
I’ve no idea what Jaye thought* of the mods though feedback from some others is that they’d have been happy to play the standard game. I did recall some of the core rules incorrectly but at least I was consistent in doing so. :D
(*he might have said but running 5 hours of gaming between 5 hours of driving left me befuddled - though it was a pleasure to meet him.)
I made the mods because H&M isn’t a game of Knightly prowess (obvs). I wanted the Knights to last (some people have fed back that they liked that Knights couldn’t be killed outright but others had the opposite opinion) as with a straight kill some people could have been out in 20 minutes (as if Knight dies, game over). As it was, the first 6 player game lasted 2.5 hours with all making I think at least 90 minutes. I think the general reaction would be that the mods (aside from perhaps early death avoidance) were fairly irrelevant to the enjoyment of the game, which was really more a function of the scenario, minis, terrain and player interaction, and of course the core of the rules which was the FFOL:H&M engine.
I’m looking at the mods again over the next week or so and some I’ll likely keep and some I’ll likely revise or discard.
:)
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Whatever you decide to do with the rules I will be first in the queue to play again. ;) :)
You have single handedly revived my interests in pseudo medieval romps to the point I am planning a Tourney for a mini BLAM in January.
Best get painting those mounted versions of the knights ready for the joust... ;D
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Thank you Nick - your support is appreciated, your company a pleasure!
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The single wound maximum for Knights worked well for the game, I thought. It was brilliant fun.
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I’m glad you enjoyed it Steve :D
It was a lot of fun to host. Putting aside the acceptability or otherwise of my mods, the FFOL engine is IMHO the best I’ve ever hosted or played. I generally and genuinely dislike wargame rules but not FFOL, which I wish I had found sooner. 8)
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I loved it. Thought the mods worked great. Take a loo at the newer style of close combat in Galactic heroes, you might like it over H&M. I much prefer armor as walking cover(which is how I do it) vs an armor save roll. Watching Richard squirm was an added delight. Here's a few pics, mostly dealing with my own Sir Arnulf of Cockswaddle in action. I'll have more BLAM pics on my blog shortly.
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Great post Jaye - thanks for posting the images and, of course, playing the game 8)
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Does anyone else have any pictures? If so I’d be most grateful if you would share. :)
I have some, will post them at the weekend when I get back.
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I have some, will post them at the weekend when I get back.
Cheers Mark :)