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Title: TYW Cavalry Unit
Post by: Paul Richardson on January 13, 2019, 12:04:47 PM
I thought some of you might like to see these. Most of the riders are from Perry Miniatures (some from their Napoleonic ranges), but there are a couple from TAG and at least one from Foundry. The horses are Perry with a few Ebob ones thrown in. The conversions are by Nick Collier and the painting by Darren Linington.
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Post by: Sparrow on January 13, 2019, 12:25:49 PM
Brilliantly evocative!
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Post by: DintheDin on January 13, 2019, 02:14:14 PM
Such an atmospheric and first rate job! Like an oil painting! many congrats!!!
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Post by: Bloggard on January 13, 2019, 03:45:07 PM
beautifully done.
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Post by: Pinno on January 13, 2019, 04:40:48 PM
They look stunning!
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Post by: Dr DeAth on January 13, 2019, 04:54:46 PM
Those really are rather good!  :-*
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Post by: Captain Blood on January 13, 2019, 05:18:39 PM
Wow  :-*
Those are stunning. Not often you see wargames figures modelled in such natural and non-engaged poses. All that bespoke conversion and gorgeous painting must have cost a fair amount of silver...  ::)
Stunning.
Title: Re: TYW Cavalry Unit
Post by: Paul Richardson on January 13, 2019, 05:48:54 PM
Many thanks for all the kind comments. Captain Blood is right that it isn't a cheap exercise creating units in this way. I justify it by arguing that I only add a relatively small number of figures to my collection each year - after about 10 years my TYW collection is still probably less than 500 figures. And it's nice having figures which you've planned yourself and which are unique. 
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Post by: pete on January 14, 2019, 09:55:44 AM
very nicely done
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Post by: chema1986 on January 14, 2019, 09:58:45 AM
Paul these are superb!! I really would like to see the rest of your collection, please post some pictures some day!  Congratulations for your paintjob!
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Post by: Anderson Collection on January 14, 2019, 09:04:22 PM
Wonderful Paul :-*
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Post by: Keith on January 14, 2019, 09:12:19 PM
Oh my ...  :-*
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Post by: Lord Raglan on January 14, 2019, 10:06:58 PM
Seriously good paint jobs Paul.
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Post by: Ignatieff on January 14, 2019, 10:30:26 PM
Dear God in heaven, these are to die for.  The imagination that goes into conceiving of this is out of this world, and that's before you get to the converting and painting.  Sensational.  Would love to see the whole army.
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Post by: Codsticker on January 15, 2019, 12:21:36 AM
Beautifully done and an excellent representation of what these guys probably did 90% of the time they were in the saddle.
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Post by: vtsaogames on January 15, 2019, 04:48:10 PM
Wow!  :o
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Post by: marrony on January 15, 2019, 08:31:41 PM
Simply fantastic!
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Post by: Galloping Major on January 16, 2019, 05:45:31 PM
Very nicely done  8)






www.gallopingmajorwargames.com (http://www.gallopingmajorwargames.com)
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Post by: Costanzo on January 18, 2019, 04:22:15 PM
Great idea and marvellous realization.
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Post by: Baron von Wreckedoften on January 19, 2019, 10:38:26 AM
Like an oil painting!

It's like a horsey version of Rembrandt's "The Night Watch".
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Post by: Paul Richardson on January 19, 2019, 02:53:01 PM
Many thanks for all the kind comments.

I'm planning 5 or 6 cavalry units. This one was started first and uses Perry and Ebob horses. Later ones use Calpe horses, Calpe being a more recent discovery. Sadly, the Perrys do not make that many standing horses without elaborate saddles (which would be impossible to cut away cleanly). Calpe make a good range of standing horses with plenty of variety and they come without saddles, so they're easy to use if you have access to a sculptor to make a simple saddle and to add holstered pistols.

In the units the riders are made in one of 3 ways. Some are riders from non - ECW/ TYW ranges which are then dressed in TYW equipment and given a head swap, so that all you see of the original are the boots and gloves. This is relatively easy for the TYW because the cassock was widely worn and it covers the rider's entire torso, so covers a multitude of sins. I think this gives the best results because it allows you to use riders in interesting poses from various ranges such as the Perry French Napoleonic cuirassiers at ease and some of the Perry Napoleonic officers which twist or bend at the waist. Some of the riders started as infantry and they are cut at the waist and the top part is then attached to riding legs. The join is then covered with a cassock. I've used some Foundry ECW figures and some Perry AWI and ACW figures in this way. Finally, some are ECW or TYW riders which are converted from combat to casual poses by altering or replacing the right arm. A number of manufacturers make replacement heads and TAG has an excellent range of spares such as carbines, swords in scabbards (which you need if the original rider was holding his sword) and holstered pistols. I'm sure some of this would be easier in plastic but I'll have to wait for the Perrys to bring out some plastic seventeenth century cavalry before I start down this route.



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Post by: Ragnar on January 19, 2019, 10:04:15 PM
Marvelous paintwork Paul. 

I for one would like to see some some close-up photos and maybe conversion pictures.
Title: Re: TYW Cavalry Unit - Help Wanted
Post by: Paul Richardson on February 16, 2019, 02:20:58 PM
I wonder whether anyone can help. I've bought a pack of Perry figures to add to this unit. It's pack KH1 from their Napoleonic / Kingdom of Holland range (I'd add a photo but I don't know how). There's a figure in the pack looking down at something in his right hand which is cupped against his body. I think it's a pocket watch but it could be a miniature of a loved one. Can anyone think of what the watch / miniature could be converted into please? All I can think of is a coin.
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Post by: Arthur on February 16, 2019, 03:38:58 PM
(http://www.perry-miniatures.com/images/KH%201.JPG)

I don't have that particular pack but I suspect the figure is indeed looking at his watch. Contrary to what I thought, pocket watches did exist in the C17th, though they may perhaps have been a tad expensive for your average trooper :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pocket_watch (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pocket_watch)

http://www.historyofwatch.com/watch-history/history-of-pocket-watches/ (http://www.historyofwatch.com/watch-history/history-of-pocket-watches/)
Title: Re: TYW Cavalry Unit
Post by: Paul Richardson on February 16, 2019, 04:04:10 PM
Michel: many thanks. Interesting about pocket watches existing in the seventeenth century but I agree that they would have been too expensive for  the average trooper, and I do want the figure to be a trooper. I suppose he could have stolen it, but if he had, would he have been able to tell the time? 
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Post by: bluewillow on February 16, 2019, 04:12:07 PM
stunning brushwork
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Post by: Captain Blood on February 16, 2019, 05:23:40 PM
Blimey. That is an ambitious start point for converting to TYW figures...

How about putting a clay pipe in his hand for him to contemplate.
That or an apple...
:)
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Post by: Paul Richardson on February 16, 2019, 05:45:42 PM
Richard: many thanks. Two great ideas. I'm no sculptor, but I suspect that the most difficult part of the conversion will be the head. The cast head is looking down at the watch in a distinct way. A replacement head will not capture this unless something is done with the eyes. The cast head has a chin strap, so leaving the head but replacing the head gear will not suffice. Anyway, I'll see what the sculptor has to say.
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Post by: georgec on February 16, 2019, 06:59:49 PM
Michel: many thanks. Interesting about pocket watches existing in the seventeenth century but I agree that they would have been too expensive for  the average trooper, and I do want the figure to be a trooper. I suppose he could have stolen it, but if he had, would he have been able to tell the time?

Bible? 
Title: Re: TYW Cavalry Unit
Post by: Paul Richardson on February 16, 2019, 08:11:32 PM
georgec: yes, I did think about a Bible but this raises two questions, neither of which I know the answer to. First, this is supposed to be an Imperialist, Catholic, unit, and I do not know to what extent during the period a Bible in the local language (as opposed to the Latin Vulgate) would be available to ordinary troopers. I assume that such a trooper is unlikely to have been able to read Latin. Secondly. I  do not know to what extent troopers (whether Catholic or Protestant) would have been able to read at all.  Any thoughts on this would be most welcome.
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Post by: Sparrow on February 17, 2019, 07:34:58 AM
Hi, not sure re Germany but, if it helps, the latest estimate by academics is that circa 50% of the population in England (note not Wales or Scotland) was literate by the 1630’s (thus explaining the huge political influence of the political pamphlets - mid C17th “fake news” - in the build up to the ECW). My understanding is that parts of HRE were at least as literate as England, if not more so (although my TYW knowledge is still, sadly, too limited to be useful in this regard).

As the TYW progressed the religious make up of the armies becomes, at best, “confused” and one would have found many Lutherans fighting for the Emperor or the League and Catholics in Protestant Armies (eg the Parliamentarian General Sydnam Poyntz fought in both the armies of Saxony and Wallenstein, and the Protestant General Ernst Von Mansfeld was a Catholic so all things are possible!).

 In short, as I see it, you are at liberty to do as you want with your amazing figures....... in my opinion.

I am loving following your project! Thank you, so much, for sharing!
Title: Re: TYW Cavalry Unit
Post by: Paul Richardson on February 17, 2019, 11:35:48 AM
Sparrow: very interesting. Thanks very much for this. I like the idea of a political pamphlet (I went to the same school as John Lilburne).
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Post by: Sparrow on February 17, 2019, 04:18:02 PM
If you went to the same school as “Freeborn John” then it really has to be a pamphlet in homage!
Title: Re: TYW Cavalry Unit
Post by: Paul Richardson on February 17, 2019, 05:47:44 PM
I think you're right. Interestingly, the school song (mercifully, no longer sung), which listed famous old-boys, made no mention of him, presumably because he stood for things which the school didn't approve of.   
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Post by: flags_of_war on February 19, 2019, 09:30:47 AM
That is a bloody marvellous looking unit