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Other Stuff => The Lead Painters' League => Season 13 => Topic started by: Admiral Benbow on February 24, 2019, 03:36:25 PM
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This is just an opportunity to show if there is enough interest for running another show. Please feel free to comment on any related things like rules changes, theme rounds, running time etc. Keep in mind that in the end it will be the decision of the organising team if there would be another Lead Painters League at all.
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Oh God... I said I was retiring from the LPL... Hmmm... lol
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If it runs, I will try my best to commit to it. Thought about it last year but didn't happen.
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No knockout, two week gaps and no themes (or more open themes) would be my preference. Most of my planned painting is fantasy this year, so it's hard to fit that into some of the themes from yesteryear.
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I'm up for it however I think broad themes would suit me best as I don't really want to have to purchase extra miniatures for it.
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No knockout, two week gaps and no themes (or more open themes) would be my preference. Most of my planned painting is fantasy this year, so it's hard to fit that into some of the themes from yesteryear.
With the traditional 10 round approach, with three theme bonus rounds, we’ve generally gone for one broadly ‘historical’ theme, one broadly fantasy or sci-fi theme, and one that could be either. So it’s not really too onerous. The original intention, I think, was that if you really wanted to chase down the maximum points, you might just have to paint one or two teams that you ordinarily wouldn’t touch with a barge pole, in order to demonstrate one’s adaptability / versatility :)
Not a bad idea as far as I’m concerned, even though, down the years, it’s led me to have to paint all sorts of things like zombies, orcs and deep ones, which I usually wouldn’t be remotely interested in.
I just sell them on afterwards and make the most of the experience :)
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Old rules but no themed rounds. Bonus points only for new entries.
I agree with Richard about the themed bonus rounds making you paint out of your comfort zone, but their absence just might encourage more entries. ::)
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Another thing to bear in mind is to give plenty of notice about it. Most old timers will probably know roughly when it starts and can start planning (or already have), but if you want to attract new blood you have to explain it to them and give an idea on the timescales and commitments.
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Another thing to bear in mind is to give plenty of notice about it.
Yes - I think two years ago there were 38 entrants (?) and there was lots of notice beforehand, which was personally really helpful for me.
I'd like to go again so voted the straight yes option, though no objection to 2 week rounds, but as with one of my posts on the other LPL discussion, if it can be done I'd stagger or split the entries for each round during that time, to keep up interest over the two weeks. (Appreciate that is making more work for the organisers though).
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I'm up for giving this a shot. I'm generally a pretty slow painter, so this may kickstart me some. I don't mind theme rounds as options, as it gives me something different to think about other than what my usual choices might be.
-Elroy
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Old rules but no themed rounds. Bonus points only for new entries.
I agree with Richard about the themed bonus rounds making you paint out of your comfort zone, but their absence just might encourage more entries. ::)
I don't mind themed rounds as long as they're not compulsory, you can then always choose not to do the theme, while the bonus points for a theme are nice, realistically most of us are not in it to get the top spot, so losing bonus points is not that big a deal
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I really didn't care for the knock-out thing. I like to see folks push through! (Myself included!) :)
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With a quick look at the poll this morning, it looks like there are at least 20 people interested in participating. Is there a minimum number that would push the decision to continue the league in one direction or the other?
-Elroy
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I really enjoy voting on the LPL, but I don't think I could enter it at the moment.
It would be such a shame to lose it though, and understand the commitment required from those who do actually put the time into painting for the rest of us to enjoy.
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With a quick look at the poll this morning, it looks like there are at least 20 people interested in participating. Is there a minimum number that would push the decision to continue the league in one direction or the other?
-Elroy
I don't think there is a fixed minimum number, Elroy, but the interesting thing is: up till now the thread had 257 views. But only 44 people did vote at all. I wouldn't like to sound too negative, but high interest in another LPL should have other numbers ... But let's see if it's developing through the next 14 days. 8)
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I will enter any kind
But I would opt for 2 weeks time
And maybe a little shorter than 10 rounds.
People have tendency to post repeated entries from around 6-7 th
Maybe a little shorter LPL (ex 8 rounds) would make participating easier as a commitment
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I don't think there is a fixed minimum number, Elroy, but the interesting thing is: up till now the thread had 257 views. But only 44 people did vote at all. I wouldn't like to sound too negative, but high interest in another LPL should have other numbers ... But let's see if it's developing through the next 14 days. 8)
Not negative, realistic. I'm surprised by the very low interest in even voting in the poll. ::)
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The views might be a bit inflated if it counts people who voted returning to check the results (like me). One other point, I almost missed the poll as I usually have the search bar poll area minimized. It was sheer luck I noticed you were talking about it in another thread.
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I am definitely interested, though i must confess i have no idea what the rules are. I am new to this forum and while i have noticed the previous editions of these painting leagues, i really don't know if i am able to participate. But i would love to try!
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Not negative, realistic. I'm surprised by the very low interest in even voting in the poll. ::)
Doesn't look promising does it? Possibly best to let the old warhorse out to pasture, no good flogging it to death?
Shame, got some really nice stuff lined up to paint this year.
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Themed rounds have meant that I've got some interesting models that I never would otherwise have. And looking for something different but with a genre in mind is one of the best parts of our hobby. Looking for something different without a theme can be a little overwhelming as our hobby gets bigger and bigger
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I am quite new to the forum. I have enjoyed looking at the wonderful painted models. I may be interested in taking part, not that I think my painting is quite up to scratch. But I am not sure how it all works. Sorry if this is posted on another part of the forum and I have failed to notice this.
However, how does the painters league happen? What do you do to enter and what is the commitment?
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I am quite new to the forum. I have enjoyed looking at the wonderful painted models. I may be interested in taking part, not that I think my painting is quite up to scratch. But I am not sure how it all works. Sorry if this is posted on another part of the forum and I have failed to notice this.
However, how does the painters league happen? What do you do to enter and what is the commitment?
You declare your interest and submit three "teams" (i.e. photos of at least five figures each) for the first three rounds, with a statement on the sequence they should be posted in. After the first three rounds, you can submit newly-painted teams to score bonus points in addition to any vote points you receive from those forum members voting in your match.
In each round, there's a number of matches each featuring two participants' teams.
After each round, votes are tallied up to determine the winner of each match and a ranked list defines the following round's matchup. In the past, we used an automated Swiss tournament system to do this (i.e. first-ranked against second-ranked, third vs. fourth, etc.). This is to avoid repeat matches as far as possible.
There are some issues with the system, though, that prompted the revised format last year, predominantly that the bottom ranks tended to solidify due to some "low-scorers" failing to provide new teams after a while, as well as users not voting in matches considered "not interesting". This can be due to real-life necessities intervening with the schedule, but in some cases, I am convinced that participants were disappointed and did no longer care. Experience shows, however, that users tend to penalize repeat runs of figures already seen, and not always bother to vote in such match-ups.
My point being - the Leage stands and falls with "users doing their part", in that the participants contribute something new each round (or at least nominate a previous team to shake things up a bit), and voters voting in each match to provide a reasonable vote base that will reduce stalemates.
Also, there is no rule (and there will not be) against preparing teams in advance. You'll have to paint up three teams for the first three rounds, so the start phase runs smoothly, but you can also prepare the next three rounds or all ten - the main issue is that they must not be shown prior to the League in order to score the bonus points.
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Also, there is no rule (and there will not be) against preparing teams in advance. You'll have to paint up three teams for the first three rounds, so the start phase runs smoothly, but you can also prepare the next three rounds or all ten - the main issue is that they must not be shown prior to the League in order to score the bonus points.
I think this really is the key point. The first couple of LPLs, I literally painted a new team every week. It pretty much destroyed me. Life being what it is, if you are going to paint to a reasonable standard, you simply can’t guarantee to be able to paint and finish a new batch of figures every week for 10 weeks in a row.
So now, like many people I’m sure, I make sure I’ve got at least half a dozen teams painted BEFORE the competition itself starts. There’s no other way I could keep up with it these days, with other pressures of work and so on. Also, if you’re going to take creative photos, getting the right set up, composition and shot can take almost as long as painting the blinking figures. So there’s no getting away from it - it’s a big undertaking. Then again, over the last few LPLs we have given people a 5-6 week run-in, which should enable most people to paint and shoot at least a few teams in advance.
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Thank you very much. That is very helpful.
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Then again, over the last few LPLs we have given people a 5-6 week run-in, which should enable most people to paint and shoot at least a few teams in advance.
This! :D
I've really enjoyed the 2 (3?, definitely 2) LPLs I've taken part in, but I definitely couldn't prepare without the run-in, so it's been really helpful to have that heads up well in advance. Hoping we get enough interest for another one this year.
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Agree. I tried to prepare to my first but ran out of stuff around 6 round and I was rushing things.
But previous shorter (unsurprisingly I wasnt in the play offs :P )went almost smoothly as I had all of the project ready with at least 50% in the first week
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If one does go ahead, when (roughly) would it start?
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I'm interested and willing to try again. The LPL certainly helped me get color on figs and I love looking at all the excellent brushwork each week. I would need some more notice tho, and I'm not much for themed entries. (I should paint what I already have/game with.)
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the great days of LPL are certainly over but before we shut down for good, I, for my part, would like to see the last farewell-LPL and the 13 seems to be a lovely number for this purpose. Thus, I'd say, let's have the last fight on these glorious fields, no matter how many warriors (or painters :)) are still willing to raise their swords (or brushes :)) and then we can close this chapter and look for another one. Count me in.
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I’ve voted for the third option but not because I think I can enter if it happens this year. I didn’t really engage with the LPL last year as I really didn’t like out the knock out phase, which seemed against the spirit of getting a lot painted. :)
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the great days of LPL are certainly over but before we shut down for good, I, for my part, would like to see the last farewell-LPL and the 13 seems to be a lovely number for this purpose. Thus, I'd say, let's have the last fight on these glorious fields, no matter how many warriors (or painters :)) are still willing to raise their swords (or brushes :)) and then we can close this chapter and look for another one. Count me in.
Aha! A challenge! lol
I wondered if this topic would bring you out of semi miniatures-retirement Alex... ;)
Never say never again...
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Although, why does it have to be the last one? If we get 36 or so entrants, isn't that a decent number? I know it's not the numbers which used to appear, but personally it would be a shame if it finished as I've only been in it for a the last couple! :)
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Lets see how many actual participants will be there before you bury poor LPL gentlemen :>
Let next generation have a chance to participate.. lol
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Maybe someone could explain the essential difference between the old rules and the option with two weeks? #neverentered (But I did vote in many of the previous ones.)
Is the intent of LPL to have entrants painting a brand new squad every week?
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the great days of LPL are certainly over but before we shut down for good, I, for my part, would like to see the last farewell-LPL and the 13 seems to be a lovely number for this purpose. Thus, I'd say, let's have the last fight on these glorious fields, no matter how many warriors (or painters :)) are still willing to raise their swords (or brushes :)) and then we can close this chapter and look for another one. Count me in.
Haha! Well said.
Curse you Alex,okay as an old veteran count me in.
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Maybe someone could explain the essential difference between the old rules and the option with two weeks? #neverentered (But I did vote in many of the previous ones.)
Is the intent of LPL to have entrants painting a brand new squad every week?
The original intent is to paint a new squad for each week though it was never said it had to be during the contest to count. From my experience you start with a few painted units ready for the first few weeks and scramble to finish the last few teams.
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Aha! A challenge! lol
Oh yes, it is! Ready for another fight, Richard? ;) :D
Haha! Well said.
Curse you Alex,okay as an old veteran count me in.
That's the spirit, Guy!
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I had said to myself not this year but ... if it's the last outing for the old girl :)
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To beat last years penultimate slot that is the question
To wrestle successfully against Awu (unlikely I think) having 2 years ago pipped a place from him by the number of votes
To the art shop I say! - more brushes required as lots of work to do to be ready for any start date
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I had said to myself not this year but ... if it's the last outing for the old girl :)
Never say never again, Keith ;) lol
We seem to be talking ourselves into it...
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To beat last years penultimate slot that is the question
To wrestle successfully against Awu (unlikely I think) having 2 years ago pipped a place from him by the number of votes
To the art shop I say! - more brushes required as lots of work to do to be ready for any start date
Challenge accepted!!
I still remember this when I woke up in the night :P
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If I can figure out how to take better pictures & get them posted on time, I might give it another go.
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It would be a shame to lose LPL. How about take a year hiatus and run it again in 2020. Start advertising now that LPL will be run in 2020 and encourage people to start painting entries in advance. I know the overhead of organising might make this difficult but how about 2 leagues - and advanced league with themed rounds, terrain backdrops and all the setting individuals want to put in; and a no frills "just the lead" league with mandatory plain backdrops and a more level playing field for beginner entry (you might even want to try an additional third league of beginners only open to only individuals for whom this is their first LPL). To survive LPL needs new blood to be encouraged to join in - as it has evolved LPL I think has become focused on high end painters able to produce beautiful terrain settings and ensembles. Nothing wrong with that as an audience and this is what people love to click on in the morning but for getting new painters to participate it is not particularly helpful. It is like having Wimbledon with pros competing and expecting beginners to throw themselves into the event.
Another idea is to handicap. Single league but for first timer you count 1.5 (or whatever) for each vote cast; for a second timer (intermediates) 1.25. Your giving a good beginner a chance to be up at the top and a path to "victory".
Do away with knockouts - I do think with knockouts that people start to vote less for the figures presented than for the individual. Last year, even if jokey, posters were saying "I'm Team Joe Blogs" which sent the message to newbies "why bother trying" as people are voting in blocks and that they are going to vote for Joe regardless based on Joe's previous work not on the head to head. This is the type of thing that puts beginners off.
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I've done it the last two years. I've went 0-16. I want to keep trying. Two years of LPL got my speed painting up to snuff. Last week I knocked out 100 minis. I would never have been able to do that without this competition. I was scared for years to try LPL. Then two years ago I promised myself that I would do it and complete the competition no matter how bad it went. I don't care if I'm the Brooklyn Brawler of this competition forever, I would rather take the beatings and be a part of something this awesome than not take the chance. Please keep this going.
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I really value the LPL and as someone relatively new to the forum, discovering it was part of what caused me to register. I am, I suppose, of the Facebook generation but it's such a poor format for interesting content vs a good forum.
I have aspirations of taking part in LPL one day (I'll settle for last place lol) so I hope it sticks around.
I'd stress that visibility might be an issue. The News link in the top right is very easy to miss and that's bearing in mind I tend to look for it - when I remember. Hence I didn't see this thread until some days after it started despite visiting several times a day usually.
Perhaps an email newsletter to members? Or - and I realise this may be politically harder to achieve? - a banner in the main banner slot?
I seem to recall a solid, albeit diminishing, number of votes being cast each year so the low poll numbers here suggest to me either lack of visibility or that there a lot of people who think the poll is aimed at those who want to take part rather than every member of the forum.
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So now, like many people I’m sure, I make sure I’ve got at least half a dozen teams painted BEFORE the competition itself starts. There’s no other way I could keep up with it these days, with other pressures of work and so on.
Me to. And that's why I think the LPL needs a new format. Shorter than ten weeks, I propose.
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I'd stress that visibility might be an issue.
I don’t think so. We had banners, newsletters, links and everything and we stilll didn’t manage to get more people on board. It’s actually the three new teams at start rule. The last competition before implementing this rule was attended by about 70 members. But we had a lot of people in there who provided only one or two teams, which was a little bit too boring for the audience. Therefore we said, let’s have kind of qualification ensuring the higher standard and it worked on the quality but we lost on the numbers. And i think it’s still a problem for many, not the length of the competition but the preparing of the qualification teams in advance
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So assume you went all the way through, how many teams (5 figures) would you need to paint over the time period for the league?
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50 figures.
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50 figures.
To clarify, that is the minimum to present a new team every round.
The absolute minimum currently is 3x5 for the first three rounds. After that, you can opt for re-runs or present new entries from previously-painted miniatures, but you will not get the bonus points for those and are honour-bound to point out that the figures are not newly-painted for the league when submitting the entry.
If you choose to submit an entry of two opposing teams, e.g. a combat scene, you would need to newly paint at least one complete team to claim the bonus. It is not necessary that all figures in an entry are newly-painted to claim, only five figures belonging to the team's theme.
The "new stuff" paradigm actually breaks down into two areas which might be useful to repeat - first, the bonus points that are intended to get people to paint new stuff and reduce their lead mountains, second, the "novelty bonus" which might induce voters to cast their vote in your favour in a match. Repeat teams tend to get boring quickly.
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Me to. And that's why I think the LPL needs a new format. Shorter than ten weeks, I propose.
That would actually alleviate some of the low-vote-turnout issue on the administrative side. Due to the pairing model, the lower tier tends to solidify after five to six turns, so if we were to run only six to eight rounds/weeks, this would help quite a bit. Less than six doesn't really help and could unduly favour those matches where proper "outlier" results occured (e.g. "landslide victories").
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To clarify, that is the minimum to present a new team every round.
The absolute minimum currently is 3x5 for the first three rounds. After that, you can opt for re-runs or present new entries from previously-painted miniatures, but you will not get the bonus points for those and are honour-bound to point out that the figures are not newly-painted for the league when submitting the entry.
If you choose to submit an entry of two opposing teams, e.g. a combat scene, you would need to newly paint at least one complete team to claim the bonus. It is not necessary that all figures in an entry are newly-painted to claim, only five figures belonging to the team's theme.
The "new stuff" paradigm actually breaks down into two areas which might be useful to repeat - first, the bonus points that are intended to get people to paint new stuff and reduce their lead mountains, second, the "novelty bonus" which might induce voters to cast their vote in your favour in a match. Repeat teams tend to get boring quickly.
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That would actually alleviate some of the low-vote-turnout issue on the administrative side. Due to the pairing model, the lower tier tends to solidify after five to six turns, so if we were to run only six to eight rounds/weeks, this would help quite a bit. Less than six doesn't really help and could unduly favour those matches where proper "outlier" results occured (e.g. "landslide victories").
In all practicallity: if you want to be a real contender in the competition rather than keep posting on the board in your own pace, you need to enter a minimum of 50 minis over 10 weeks, of which 15 must be themed. You can normally be absolutetly sure you will not be in the to be among the upper 50% if you do not do this. It think it will also be true if we cut the competition to 7 weeks (a minimum of 35 minis of which, lets say 10 are themed).
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I don’t think so. We had banners, newsletters, links and everything and we stilll didn’t manage to get more people on board.
Sorry, I wasn't clear - I meant specifically in reference to this thread. I absolutely bow to the more senior members wisdom regards actual participant numbers :)
A commitment of 35 figures (with 15 in advance) over say two months - that might actually tempt me to join.
It's just the desire to not want to let other participants down which causes me to hesitate, but having done some speed painting recently to hit a deadline for a game I now know I can achieve quite a bit when there's some pressure on.
I am however mostly interested in participating in order to be part of something, and as a motivation to paint, I would expect to finish in lower 50% at best!
Can I change my poll vote? lol
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The LPL is a great way to reduce the lead mountain by at minimum 35 figures. It's fun looking for a potential other 15 fr the special rounds in areas you may not normally look. Some of my favourite figures have been for special rounds where I didn't have an excuse before to get them and paint them
I'm a slow painter and like others try to get ahead of the game before it starts and although usually come the last weeks I feel under pressure to get new sets in I have always made it and feel good at the end when I look at the collective pile of lead that i have manged to convert into finished figures. Presently have 100 Carnevale figures sitting on my desk - LPL is the perfect persuader to clear this down faster than I am already.
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Last year I didn't join because the new rules confused me and I didn't want to put in a lot of energy with a chance to get knocked out prematurely. I never saw it as a competition but as an excellent drive to paint and see other people's work.
This particular period I'm obsessed with the Back of Beyond again so it would be great, if it were to be the Last League, to participate. After all it's kind of how Lead Adventure started and most of my inspiration and knowledge of the period comes from this forum.
But it's true it's hard work to do ten teams. Even if LPL would be discontinued it would be great to find another collective way to paint squads and warbands.
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On that side note, I enjoy the board-specific painting clubs. They're another great opportunity to join in and get color on figs.
Back to LPL... I'd be up for one last hurrah.
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I participated in just one I think. Being quite new I've to admit I have no real clue whenever (or even if) the LPL starts, so I never did any painting beforehand... It was quite a task to get everything painted during the competition. The years after the start of the competition caught me by surprise everytime (my ignorance), so I did not sign up as I did not feel much for once again painting everything during the competition.
It would be shame if the LPL would come to an end though, I think it's an important part of LAF, and I've always spectated closely the times I didn't take part.
EDIT: I enjoyed taking part the one time I did! So I'd like a comeback. But a shorter competition, more time between rounds or smaller teams would make it more catching. For me that is
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I always like to see the LPL and its entries, its a good source of inspiration, shows minis I might otherwise never know existed and hard work the people put into it.
I always want to try but the amount I get painted in a year rarely reaches 35 or 50 figures.
It helps me relax, but I work so much, and so much time demands elsewhere..
A format change would be far more preferable than it disappear completely.
and yes, more painting clubs to, that I can sometimes manage to complete something for
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A format change would be far more preferable than it disappear completely.
Format: What if the squad size was tinkered with? Maybe 3-6 per squad....
I am thinking 3 Cavalry figures is one stand in Hott. Three ogres is a typical Oldhammer unit size. 3 or 4 mechs is a One Lance formation in a SciFi game. 5 Orcs is a rank in some Warhammer editions.
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For my part, I think having two weeks between rounds certainly would help my actually being able to participate this year, as I have an exam coming up in the period. And I really want to participate without having to have done most or everything in advance, expecially since I have an extented really busy period IRL this spring so I probably won't have the time to do much in advance anyway.
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I would like to participate but I think it is quite broken actually as you may paint in advance the miniatures.
You may paint your whole year with your 400 miniatures, just to have your 10 entries for the league.
So, in the challenge, you have 40 miniatures with each shot when someone manage to paint 5, where is the challenge ?
You don't post any miniatures on the forum and wait for the league, it is not a funny behaviour.
For me, my main goal will be to paint more miniatures in the time we have.
For example, you have 2 weeks to paint 5 miniatures and take a picture of those.
It may be a challenge for some of us who try to paint more often.
In 20 weeks, you manage to paint 50 miniatures for your project like a game, challenging with other painters.
We see so many black undercoat miniatures in the game table.
You may be newbie or not, but you manage to paint your crispy miniatures.
The initial goal is to paint more miniatures for the pleasure, and follow the communauty.
Have fun with the others in painting and looking for new models/idea.
Just my 2 cents. ;)
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I would say that if the LPL motivated you to paint more then it has done it's job. Doesn't matter if it's before or during to me. My problem is all the beautiful entries usually motivate me to buy more figures.
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I prefer the way LPL was run before. IIRC the purpose of the LPL was to get people to paint a bunch of minis in a given amount of time whatever was their “painting level” is… ;D
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This is dragging on longer than brexit. Are we doing it or not?
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We need to get a good solid read on ‘the will of the people’ ;)
I’ve already started painting though :D
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I'm in
few figures already painted but not necessarily in sets. 2 Kickstarters coming in the near future so may have some nice extra's to dabble into as well plus some stuff I wanted to do last year but still haven't painted
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This is dragging on longer than brexit. Are we doing it or not?
It's not that bad. There has only been one vote so far.
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Just received an order of Foundry 'flesh' triad paints so I am keen to try them out on any number of semi-clad figures, so I am in!
Format does not matter too much to me, I just want the inspiration to get moving on stuff.
I liked the idea of themed rounds as it 'makes' me tackle projects that are not right in front of me, and that are not getting done. Basically it would allow me to branch out a bit...
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This is dragging on longer than brexit. Are we doing it or not?
Well, let's see where we stand: I started this poll on the 24th of February, so one month ago. In this time just 119 members demean themselfs to vote. 119 from something around 7.000+ members!
Would we call it "enough interest"? I won't. And then, from those 119 sixty two would just like to be entertained every Sunday morning, not participate.
It's too bad. I'm very disappointed, and even if Alex and Richard try hard to drum up interest, for me the Lead Painters League has found it's end. But it's not my decision, so if there will be enough volunteers running another one, just do it, without me.
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Looking at it another way, though, of the people who voted, 55 said they would participate, which would make it the 2nd largest LPL participation (looks like the highest was Season 5 with 72 painters). Throwing out the high of 72 and last season's low of 12, the average participation seems to hover around the mid 30s.
-Elroy
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Well, let's see where we stand: I started this poll on the 24th of February, so one month ago. In this time just 119 members demean themselfs to vote. 119 from something around 7.000+ members!
Would we call it "enough interest"? I won't. And then, from those 119 sixty two would just like to be entertained every Sunday morning, not participate.
It's too bad. I'm very disappointed, and even if Alex and Richard try hard to drum up interest, for me the Lead Painters League has found it's end. But it's not my decision, so if there will be enough volunteers running another one, just do it, without me.
Sadly, I have to agree with you. The response has been lacklustre to say the least, time has marched on, there just doesn't seem to be much enthusiasm. I guess it has gone the way of so many other forum activities, just trickling away until a few diehards remain. Every empire crumbles in the end. Shame, but maybe better to say a fond farewell now.
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Would hate to say farewell without one more go - like Elroy says above, if 55 did participate that would well be worth it.
Surely worth at least once more and see what the passing voter numbers are like?
If we got 50-odd participants, even 40 or so, plus a decent number of voters who are interested in seeing the pictures and voting but maybe not invested enough to get involved in the conversation here, that would be a good result surely.
Better place to judge whether there are legs left in it after one more hurrah than let it slip away quietly into the night without an attempt...?
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Sadly, I have to agree with you. The response has been lacklustre to say the least, time has marched on, there just doesn't seem to be much enthusiasm. I guess it has gone the way of so many other forum activities, just trickling away until a few diehards remain. Every empire crumbles in the end. Shame, but maybe better to say a fond farewell now.
I don't get where that comes from. There are 55 people showing an interest. Even if 20 of those not participating in the end, thats a decent number and well worth an interest. I think the problem is rather that the old gard may be a bit blasé. I know *I* certainly do a few things here out of a sense of duty (not that that it is a huge burden) rather than inspiration. Perhaps involving someone (or a few) who has *not* taken a crack as showrunner could sprout some new thoughts and spark into it.
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I think it may be time for those in control to make a final decision as to whether we go for another year and when it is held otherwise we will procrastinate till next year and lose any impetus there may be.
Irrespective I'd like to thank the Admiral for all he has done for the LPL over the years as he has been a pivotal part of the whole experience.
If there is anything I can do to help (not a computer techie person) I'm willing to help out.
I hope the decision will be for at least one last hurrah (trumpets blown)
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Maybe we should take some indicative votes on the way forward? That will make things much clearer. :D
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I guess the real question is, do we still have someone that's willing to organize this. I think there's enough people willing to join, but I think it sounds like the Admiral isn't willing to organize it this year, which I can totally understand, it's a lot of work and he probably knows that the best, and I'm very grateful for all his efforts in past LPLs. But unless we have someone who's willing to organize it, it really doesn't matter how many people would like to enter or how many will vote
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I might add my grain of salt, even though I'm not here for very long and have never participated.
That is not for a lack of interest though! I think notification about the beginning of a new LPL could be better! The forum is very big and I only peek into certain subforums on a daily basis...so I feel I often miss other itneresting threads, like this one which I only found after a remark by Captain Blood on the WW2 Board.
I feel the LPL is really great and truly inspiring and would really love to continue! I also know that it is important to not only be amazed by the fabulous work of others, but also to participate to make it live!
I'm definitely in for a new season!
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I feel the LPL is really great and truly inspiring and would really love to continue! I also know that it is important to not only be amazed by the fabulous work of others, but also to participate to make it live!
I'm definitely in for a new season!
Me too! Someone need to represent the "average painters" and fill the space at the bottom of the point list lol
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I think Gunslinger makes a key point about regularly only going into certain areas to do with what you are involved with at the time. When the LPL comes along it then gives you an insight into other areas of the hobby and spark new interests. I wonder how many manufacturers have benefited from some interesting figures being shown on the LPL
As one of the average painters I agree with Calimero and this year want to rise above him as he was a place above me last year :)
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I could help with runnig LPL
but I want to participate.
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I could help with runnig LPL
but I want to participate.
It's possible to do both, no?
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I have done both. So have Overlord, Admiral Benbow and the Prof, of course :)
A behind the scenes discussion needs to take place, so leave it with us for a little while longer. Thanks for input everyone, and for Michael for kicking off this stimulating discussion 8)
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I would like to see the LPL carry on, but wasn't enamoured with the rules for the last few.
I work away from home for most of the week so not sure if I would be able to participate but having two weeks between entries may give me the chance
I would like to take this chance to thank everyone who has been involved in running the competitions on the LAF, they have been great fun, and long may they continue.
Did anyone mention a start date?
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I could help with runnig LPL
but I want to participate.
Great, we'll take that offer to the Moderators board! You are in Sweden, right? We will probably put together a group of members to run it.
Noone is, by the way, not disqualified from taking part if one takes on the role as LPL Impressario.
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Indeed, last year Overlord ran it as well as being a participant, and it worked out fine.
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Great, we'll take that offer to the Moderators board! You are in Sweden, right?
Quite the opposite.
Poland
lol
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Quite the opposite.
Poland
lol
Oh. Alright. Sorry! Anyway, that doesn't disqualify you either. ;)
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To be honest, I wasn't very happy with the knock-out or mandatory theme concepts either.
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One friend of mine tends to repeat that "every painted miniature makes the world a better place", which should be the primary goal. Knock-out rounds brought in more competition and less painting, which IMO was the wrong direction. Just try to celebrate anything that gets painted and posted, no matter if it's not exactly top 10 material.
The above is taken from another part of the Forum. It does explain a lot of what I’m thinking but in much better words that I could do.
So, what’s up for now? Will we have a LPL13? When will it start? :?
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I have thought a couple of times about participating in the LPL. Apart from being very slow with my painting, the other factor that stops me is the often short time between a new competition being announced and time it takes to get figures sent to New Zealand (this can take six weeks). A bit more lead time would be great.
The LPL is really what got me looking at at the LAF and later joining.
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I have thought a couple of times about participating in the LPL. Apart from being very slow with my painting,
I get you bro.
The trick is to prepare.
I have 5 week worth of entries on the table in various forms of very wip as we speak and LPL wasn't even announced :P
the other factor that stops me is the often short time between a new competition being announced and time it takes to get figures sent to New Zealand (this can take six weeks). A bit more lead time would be great.
This is the reason i mostly skip thematic rounds..
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This is the reason i mostly skip thematic rounds..
But they are the ones that are most fun!
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But you need to have sometimes very specific miniatures.
or ability to get them shipped really fast which many places outside UK and US sadly lack
IIRC I managed only to enter the LPL11 ones, Tribals, Ship crew (space in myt case) and Big brothers (with big mutant)
LPL 12 had impossible for me
Had to skip on crew served weapon from this very reason.
( British was little complicated as there are none in my the collection nor want any in foresable future)
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Some bonus rounds have been very specific, others more generic.
Doing a quick scan through the past rounds (with round 3 hard to find what the themed rounds are without some serious digging and round 4 had no themed rounds) I found the following themes:
WWII
Back of Beyond
Civilians and Bystanders
Africa
Scenes from Movies
Old Metal
JRR Tolkien
Maritime/Naval
HQ Group
Any historical civil war
Science Fiction
Realms of fantasy
Ancient (historical only)
WWI
Armour
Animals
Women
Lets not stand (figures sitting/kneeling etc)
Middle Ages
Creatures/beasts/monsters
Tribesmen
Ships crew
Big brothers, little brothers.
As I mentioned, I like the themes but some can be quite limiting in that they may require painting something you don't collect. I know these aren't compulsory, but we are all competitive :D
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In the two LPL's I did manage to get in, for a few of the rounds where I didn't have the proper genre, I was able to get unpainted figures from others in my gaming group. They were more than happy to let me paint a few of theirs. lol
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I find looking for that something different fro a special round great fun as I can pick the models I really like and not have to fit them to any others. They are some of my favourites in my cabinet.
Have also borrowed figures from a friend and entered them - He was happy with the paint job
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So. Any more progress................?? :D
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One of the moderators has said he’s willing to run another LPL and is considering when he may be able to do it, real life allowing, and what help he may need from a number of people who have offered. Watch this space...
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That's brilliant and very kind of him. If there is anything I can do to help please let me know
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One of the moderators has said he’s willing to run another LPL and is considering when he may be able to do it, real life allowing, and what help he may need from a number of people who have offered. Watch this space...
That's great. I realise it is a lot of work and, of course, real life trumps everything else. Any time that anyone gives is much appreciated.
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Not sure that summer is the best time to run this?
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I've always enjoyed watching it, and the times I took part I also enjoyed.
I definitely like the new rules too.
Thanks
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I find it the best driver for getting figures finished even if it does sometimes generate pressure
Look forward to hearing when the next one will be
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Still on the cards. Possibly in the autumn. It probably wouldn't be too early to start prepping a few teams now... ;)
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Autumn,think you’ve got that wrong old boy ,spring! ;D
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Isn’t Spring downunder Autumn up here, Guy? lol
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Isn’t Spring downunder Autumn up here, Guy? lol
lol
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Will the format be the same as previous comps?
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I started preparing for regular one in May..
Now I have almost 4 entries finished (sans bases and photos :P) and another 3 started.
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Will the format be the same as previous comps?
I believe that’s likely Steve. Probably reverting to the format of the first 12 seasons: 10 rounds with a five figure / model team (minimum) in each round. Extra points for new (previously unpublished) teams in each round. But yet to be confirmed for definite.
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Looking forward to it. I've painted quite a lot this year by my standards having backed a few kickstarters. Not all what I've done is suitable for the LPL (such as matching goons) . I now need to sit down and sort my groups and see what I need to paint, what I want to paint etc. My favourite time :)
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I believe that’s likely Steve. Probably reverting to the format of the first 12 seasons: 10 rounds with a five figure / model team (minimum) in each round. Extra points for new (previously unpublished) teams in each round. But yet to be confirmed for definite.
Cool, that’s a good way to get more figures painted… as was the spirit behind the earlier LPL 8)
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Hello,
I want to participate too.
Nikko
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Nikko
That's brilliant - the more he merrier
Keep an eye out and the organisers will let us know when the competition will run and the rules
It's great fun and pushes you to clear some of the lead pile
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Well, it's on... :)
I hope everyone who expressed an interest will follow through (ooer)
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any word as to when the start will be? I joined the forum too late for the earlier ones and have been itching to join in with the next one.
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please ignore, have just noticed the new threads with all the info lol