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Miniatures Adventure => The Second World War => Topic started by: Khurasan Miniatures on March 16, 2019, 03:44:26 PM
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With all of the great Tamiya kits available, and with scale creep being what it is, do most “25mm” (28mm/30mm/etc) gamers use 1/48 vehicles and AT guns now?
How about figurines? What scale is most widely used?
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I get the impression that it's a fairly even split between those who favour 1/50 or 1/48 & those who use 1/56 scale vehicles. I think it can depend on which ranges you use for the figures - Perry, or the excellent new Empress have more 'realistic' proportions than more 'heroic' ranges like Warlord - 1/56 vehicles look fine with the former, but can look a little small with the latter (though of course, it all comes down to personal taste, what models you already own & what you can get hold of easily). There's also the question of whether you can get the vehicle you want in a particular scale, Rubicon & WG also have large ranges of by & large pretty good kits in 1/56 (Rubicon are also moving onto infantry models, pewter at the moment but hopefully plastic at some point), but the 'what scale' argument is likely to shamble on & on & on....
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I used to use predominantly 1/48 vehicles, but over the past few years, Tamiya have become so expensive over here while the plastic 1/56 kits got better that the latter are more attractive. I did a bit of late Ww2 last year to repurpose some originally mid-war BTD Germans and used Rubicon and Warlord plastic vehicles, and I think it works just as well as the Tamiya stuff used of their mid-war years.
For Perry miniatures, I wouldn't use 1/48 in the first place. I painted a Crete-themed Fallschirmjaeger force in 2017 and got a Tamiya Mathilda and Panzer 2 because they were discounted - the Mathilda is okay and works well next to my old Chieftain Light Tanks Mk VI, but the Panzer 2 just looks too big, strangely enough.
I'm doing "looks about right scale" in most cases anyway, so I guess it depends on what figures it should go with. Perry with 1/56, Warlord, BTD and TAG with either 1/48 (earlier, smaller vehicles that benefit from the extra heft) or 1/56 (later vehicles e.g. big cats which tend to be a bit too hig in 1/48).
If pressed, I'd prefer 1/56.
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For wargaming purposes, I suspect it is the faster build kits that have all the running gear done in just 1 to 3 parts, that are gaining popularity.
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1/56 for WW2, 1/48 or 1/50 for moderns.
Partly that is because of availability, Rubicon and Warlord have a good and expanding range (my opinion of some of the kits can vary), and partly because I never thought of using 1/48.
I am using Perry (and Perry compatible) figures for North Africa.
Warlord plastics for North West Europe.
I have Warlord Blitzkrieg Germans and would like some BEF plastics.
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Bulk of my vehicles are 1:56 from Rubicon and Warlord, I have one lovely Blitzkrieg M3 Stuart (1/56), some Company B and Trenchworxx (again 1:56) and a some Tamya and Hobby boss (1:48). I think to prefer 1:56, and I agree we are inundated with excellent kits in this scale. Infantry is Warlord+Empress for later war and Pacific, and Perry for Africa. I do not see any issue between Warlord and 1/56 models.
As mixing tanks... sometime works sometime not. Often, as Chris says, depends on the vehicle in question.
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Agreed,
I don't think it's an issue really.
I have armies built around both scales.
The only rule I stick to is to not mix up scales in the same force.
It's only ever been an issue once in a tournament, where my 1/48 scale KV2 wouldn't quite fit over a bridge and my opponent wouldn't let me cross. All his vehicles were 1/56.
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It's only ever been an issue once in a tournament, where my 1/48 scale KV2 wouldn't quite fit over a bridge and my opponent wouldn't let me cross. All his vehicles were 1/56.
To be fair that's how it should be.
If you can't fit you can't go.
I only do 1/56th.
The model range is bigger and it looks better next to 28mm stuff.
48th (333mm) just looks wrong.
This is usually because people forget that 28mm model is on a 2mm tall base and your tank isn't....
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This is usually because people forget that 28mm model is on a 2mm tall base and your tank isn't....
Exactly the reason I eventually decided to go with 1/48 and 1/50 (I merrily mix both); my vehicles are unbased about 99% of the time (mind; I do not own more than 100 vehicles in this scale (not by a long shot), so my estimation might be off ;) ), whilst miniatures on foot are.
Add to that the fact that most of the miniatures I use are quite bulky/heroic (Artizan, Copplestone, etc), and with the bases used adding another mm or two, the 1/48 and 1/50 vehicles do not look off at all.
I'm with Westfalia Chris in that regard; if it looks right, I'll use it. And 1/56 vehicles tend to look too puny next to based and heroically scaled miniatures.
But I gather that, if I had started out with Perry or other plastic offerings, the slighter miniatures might have prompted me to go for 1/56 vehicles instead...
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Regarding the Perrys, my impression is that they deliberatedly started with using 1/56 scale as a reference for their WWII range, and sculpted their figures accordingly, even though this means that the figures in their WWII range are smaller than many of their other range - I think Captain Blood once posted a great reference picture showing Perry plastic figures from WWII and WotR ranges side by side.
Also, the Perrys range included vehicles from quite an early stage (of their own design, in addition to the Blitzkrieg range that they retail), so they needed to consider the issue of the vehicle scale and infantry compatibility from quite an early stage.
On the other hand, many of the companies doing 28 mm WWII figures (such as Crusader and Artizan) do mainly infantry, maybe with an odd horse or artillery piece thrown in, but no vehicles, and thus are less concerned about trying to fit their models into any particular scale.
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Regarding the Perrys, my impression is that they deliberatedly started with using 1/56 scale as a reference for their WWII range, and sculpted their figures accordingly.
They are about the same height as many other 28mm [edit] WW2 [/edit]figures though.
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-p3oUl6qpacw/U0wykTrAIZI/AAAAAAAAAr0/eIQbDQOUOnk/s1600/ww2scale.png)
Also, the Perrys range included vehicles from quite an early stage (of their own design, in addition to the Blitzkrieg range that they retail), so they needed to consider the issue of the vehicle scale and infantry compatibility from quite an early stage.
Perry Kubelwagen (top) and Warlord (bottom).
(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-q7luohmzIxM/WUv81QlupLI/AAAAAAAACZc/67pwrB6jB6MLjMftaS78RbpnNqzTcmosQCLcBGAs/s1600/kubelwagencompare.png)
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Regarding the Perrys, my impression is that they deliberatedly started with using 1/56 scale as a reference for their WWII range, and sculpted their figures accordingly, even though this means that the figures in their WWII range are smaller than many of their other range - I think Captain Blood once posted a great reference picture showing Perry plastic figures from WWII and WotR ranges side by side.
I did. This...
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/12/577_21_04_13_11_42_24.JPG)
Michael Perry was very definite about his WW2 figures being ‘true 1/56’ to fit with ‘true 1/56’ AFVs and softskins...
I use Perry, Blitzkrieg, Rubicon and Warlord 1/56 scale model vehicles happily and compatibly together.
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Wow Captain Blood, that does surprise me.
It does explain why the Perry's mediaeval figures match so well with other similar figures.
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-ZZw1YACJRac/VDTDe4j0nwI/AAAAAAAAAzo/aLvUFxdUrEY/s1600/comparisonperrywlgwf.png)
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I'm a modeler before I became a gamer. I like detail and the ability to modify the vehicle and make something that is not available commercially. For me, 1:48 scale vehicles look right compared to the 28mm figures for this period. I have a nice ANZAC force for N. Africa from Perry, hasn't stopped me using 1:48 vehicles. I do own a 1:56 Tiger II...won it at a local hobby shop in a drawing. Looks pretty, but pretty dwarf by 28mm figures...for me that doesn't look right.
As far as availability, it all comes down to how creative your search is. I guess I'm fortunate there is a local modeler group which has swap meets every quarter; this is where I score BIG. I find way better deals in 1:48 scale stuff than from Warlord and Rubicon. The most expensive stuff I bought is from 1st Corps and Blitzkrieg miniatures...which are resin kits. Just order a Panzer I from Blitzkrieg for about $28 w/shipping...not sure how that compares to the other manufacturers.
Finally, I think it comes down to how much time and effort you want to invest in building the kit, detailing it, and how much money you want to drop to get it. Our group here uses 1:48 kits for N. Africa and Europe. My buddies which have Pacific stuff has all 1:56 vehicles. That fine too.
I agree, not recommended to mix scales in a game...looks out of place.
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Thanks for all the responses — it’s very informative but to someone not as active in this scale, also a bit confusing.
For figurines as opposed to vehicles, what mm is the equivalent of
1/48
1/50
1/56
Also if I post a poll asking what scale figurines (men) most people use, would that cause any hard feelings? I know people get quite passionate about scales.
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Thanks for all the responses — it’s very informative but to someone not as active in this scale, also a bit confusing.
For figurines as opposed to vehicles, what mm is the equivalent of
1/48
1/50
1/56
Also if I post a poll asking what scale figurines (men) most people use, would that cause any hard feelings? I know people get quite passionate about scales.
Yes, people get rather passionate about figure heights. Get your flame proof underwear out ^__^.
Reported (305mm to the foot scale) heights are also a bit variable.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_average_human_height_worldwide (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_average_human_height_worldwide)
Based on a 1750mm tall adult male human (floor to top of head):
O Gauge is 40.6mm
Quarter scale (or O Scale) is 36.4mm
1/50 is 35mm
1/56 is 31mm
S Gauge is 27.3mm
But of course a number of us use all three of the scales you mention with nominal "28mm" figures.
But in terms of figure height, frankly, I would go for a compatible figure height to the most popular figures. As has been noted elsewhere, the Perry figures are as tall but thinner than the more heroic proportions of Warlord.
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1/56 is meant to be the 'right' scale but sometimes it just doesn't look right - had a particularly disappointing experience with some Butlers 3D printed technicals which looked more like 20mm but from a scale measurement point of view were correct. The Rubicon kits are wonderful but once you've gone down that road you are kind of stuck with it. We started out with the Corgi die cast which are 1/50 I think (?) and love them but you have to be careful which 1/56 you put alongside them but I guess in a skirmish game the models should be few and far between and also spread around the playing area so the difference in scale shouldn't be too obvious.
I guess at the end of the day it's the look that counts, it's a visual hobby after all.
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That’s interesting ultravanillasmurf — so if the Perry wwii are 1/56 and that’s 31mm tall, and the Perry medievals are much much taller than the wwii, how tall are the medievals?
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I would like to add that the height of 1750 mm given by Ultravanillasmurf is pretty reasonable assumption for average height of WWII infantrymen, and thus a handy starting point for scale calculations.
Sometimes on online scale discussions, some posters especially from US like to start by assuming an average height of 1828.8 mm (or 6 foot), but that is a very tall average even by modern standards.
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In my experience the problem comes when you have a direct man-machine interface, so hatches, door and so on, the worst for this is motorbikes. A 28mm heroic fig towers over a 1/56 motorbike so I make them in 1/48 as otherwise the look stupid (remember perrys FJ bike with the tiny wheels?)
also perception is that tanks should be large. This is mostly wrong but it persists.
The small stuff therefore looks better in 1/48.
However.... the 1/48 stuff is clearly far too large for the larger stuff. My Tiger IIs tower over the 28mm minis. Now it's a big tank but it's not *That* big.
Basically 28mm is an aesthetic not a scale. You cannot claim 28mm is equivalent to a scale as the figures are far too distorted (even perrys are out of proportion compared with a human) with huge swollen heads, hands and feet. Look at tamiya figures, tall, thing and fragile... wargamers expect heroic therefore it's what we get.
28mm is whatever you want it to be within reason: generally 1/35 is too big, 1/48 - 1/56 is about right and 1/72 is too small plus try not to mix scales of similar classes of vehicle.
I was once told I'd not be allowed to use 1/48 stuff at an event as it was the wrong scale. I suggested that I measure up their vehicles and anything that wasn't exactly 1/56 scale was likewise wrong. He shut up then...
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I was once told I'd not be allowed to use 1/48 stuff at an event as it was the wrong scale. I suggested that I measure up their vehicles and anything that wasn't exactly 1/56 scale was likewise wrong. He shut up then...
Excellent! lol lol lol
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also perception is that tanks should be large. This is mostly wrong but it persists.
True, especially many of the pre-war designs were relatively small, though there were some exceptions like the Soviet T-35 landship.
Perhaps the issue is affected by people having seen modern tanks, and then assuming that WWII tanks should look the same size - despite the modern designs being much larger.
My home town has a StuG III on a parking lot, and I have stood next to it - it looks surprisingly small when you are standing next to it. Unfortunately I have not been able to see inside, but I assume the crew compartment would not be a good place for claustrophobics. Still, it is too large to fit into a single parking square, so larger than a modern car.
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(https://www.militaryimages.net/media/german-stug-iii-cutaway.43511/full?d=1521499320)
Tiny inside!
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I think the reaosn it was usggested I couldn't use my 1/48 was that it was early Bolt Action V1 and I had built an ISU152 - No one had ever seen one before and a direct fire heavy howitzer scares people!
To be fair it wasn't the tornament organiser - they didn't care!
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Basically 28mm is an aesthetic not a scale
I think that is a perfect description.
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That is an interesting sideview of StuG that I had not seen before - looks quite practical for training purposes.
Here is a few photos of the local StuG (not taken by me):
(http://gmic.co.uk/uploads/monthly_09_2009/post-199-125208883381.jpg)
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/96/StuG_III_Helsinki.jpg)
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-gWMae4dc0q8/Ts6c7955yfI/AAAAAAAAFvc/KGD3uMhYS1I/s1600/IMG_1885.JPG)
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If you are going to venture into this field commercially, you need to decide if you can generate a range that will fill the needs of players completely (such as the Perry North Africa range) and make the figures the size and proportions you are happy with or you want to augment an existing supplier's range (making them compatible with either Perrys, Warlord or someone else's aesthetic).
In answer to your question above, I do not have a Perry Mediaeval figure to hand to measure. I will see if I can find one (or someone who has can supply the information).
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Indeed, it's a minefield of expectation vs reality.
People often forget/overlook that vehicles generally aren't based and a mini might be on a 2-5mm thick base adding 10% to their height.
Plus the perspective is weird: you don't look down on people next to tanks, you look horizontally and tanks therefore look big.
Conversely people get he opposite effect with aircraft: aircraft are presumed to be relatively small but even a small aircraft will dwarf a tank.
Add in a bit of heroic sculpting and scale becomes irrelevant - 'that looks about right' is more important.
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Add in a bit of heroic sculpting and scale becomes irrelevant - 'that looks about right' is more important.
Considering the popularity of "heroically proportioned" figures, I am left wondering why most manufacturers are still bothering to attempt to make their vehicles in some nominal scale, instead of going for heroically proportioned vehicles.
The only exception I can think are those cute Toon Tanks, with their short hulls and big turrets.
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/2467/9979/products/Meng_-_German_Medium_Tank_Panzer_III_3_grande.jpg)
As for the height of the Perry medieval figures, I have a good number of those in my collection - just need to remember to measure them once I get back home.
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Considering the popularity of "heroically proportioned" figures, I am left wondering why most manufacturers are still bothering to attempt to make their vehicles in some nominal scale, instead of going for heroically proportioned vehicles..
Do you mean 1/56 scale specifically or any scale?
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Any scale, though that comment was partially tongue in cheek. Though actually with the smallest scales (e.g. 1/300) some of the smaller features of the vehicles can be tricky to do to scale when using pewter as material, as this can result in gun barrels etc. that are so thin that they get easily bent.
Back to the topic of Perry WotR range, I pulled a bunch of assembled plastics from this range out and measured them. The ones standing approximately straight measured around 27-29 mm from the soles to the eyes, so around 28 mm on average.
The model that Captain Blood chose for comparison is probably from the taller end of the spectrum on what you can assemble from that kit, and the choice and pose of the head amplify the effect. Though for comparison with the WWII fellow, it is also worth checking the height at the crotch and shoulder.
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Just to throw something else in the mix....I have started liking 1/60 scale vehicles to go with my "28mm" miniature figures. The Perry plastic WW2 and the Westwind Berlin or Bust (early sculpts) in particular are only 28mm to top of head so are not really 1/56 in my opinion.
I know some people are going to say " The Perry figures are designed to fit into 1/56 vehicles"..to that I say, of course something that is smaller than 1/56 is going to fit into a 1/56 vehicle...it doesn't mean much.
Wargames companies have their own standards of "scale". I have plastic sprues of 1/48 weapons (from Tamiya, Bandai) which are consistent with each other but SMALLER than the same weapons on a 1/56 warlord sprue! It's insane!
I have a Tamiya 1/48 German motorcycle combination (which I presume is correctly scaled) that I can't even fit 28mm figures into. I bought a 28mm BTD motorcycle combination and it turned out to be bigger than the 1/48 version.
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basically one thing we all agree... :o 28mm is not a scale (surprise!) and that is making us crazy when trying to fit it in a scale (especially because once it was called 25, then 28, then...). On the other hand being 28mm not a scale ends up with everyone doing what they want and what they think look good. Some people say do not mix, other say mix as long it looks good to you (me latter). I had a 1/60 Sherman from Westwind and it got gifted so small it was.
On the same level you can easily argues that even miniatures in 28mm from different manufacturers can be an issue (BTD for example are huge compared to other.
From the player perspective because often we do not need hordes on the table in WW2 28mm it is less of a problem than let's say in 15mm or smaller scale.
Until now this worked quite well, but I can imagine it could be an headache for manufacturers.
Welcome to the real world of miniature wargaming... :-* o_o
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1/56 or 1/60 is perfect for civilian cars IMO, but I can definitely see it looking wrong with tanks.
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It's intresting how people want uniformity in the one thing in history isn't uniform.'People'
These figures are all in 28mm and all made to the height of the person they represent.
I always makes me smile this whole grumble on scale creap. The reality is less insidious than an industry conspiracy.
We've grown up and gamed our way through the 35 year evolution of an industry and have a physical records of its organic growth in the form of our lead piles.
I wonder if people who collect 'toy soldiers' grumble about the evolution of Britain's toy soldiers since they first began casting toy soldiers.
The figures supplied with scale model kits are more often than not. A different scale to the vehicle.It's a design aesthetic nothing more.
When its applied to Wargaming vehicles its going to be down to what the individual finds aesthetically pleasing . Thats why companies diffeer so much . It's a healthy enough way of doing business for many companies to prosper . If there wasn't any varriation in figure and scaling . We'd soon go looking for it. And be grumbling about the lack of varriation in styling .
Personally I quite like bumbling around shows looking for figures and vehicles that suit my styling preferences.
I know others find it a frustrating minefield. But its definitely more interesting.
Mark.
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Well, I don‘t mind the chaps in my ‚armies‘ being of different sizes... what I really mind though is when identical equipment is all over the lace scale wise. Even within one range it seems consistency isn’t really a priority at times. I do have Artizan Germans carrying your ubiquitous ‚wargames standard tree trunk‘ as a stand in for a Kar98k while some are sporting little wee rifles which are tiny even compared to WG‘s very first plastic weapons.
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Regarding the variation in human height, my understanding is that it generally resembles normal distribution.
So in a real life platoon with an average height of 175 cm, a lot of men would be in the 170-180 cm range, fewer in the 165-170 cm and 180-185 cm ranges, and a couple in the 160-165 cm and 185-190 cm ranges.
However, it would be unlikely to encounter a real life platoon with an average height of 175 cm where 50 % of the men would be 190 cm tall and another 50 % would be 160 cm tall.
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It's was a little devious of me, As I expected someone to answer with the average height argument. I'm afraid its a myth .It's a tool used to explain away 28mm as a scale.If it were set as a scale then your ancients would be considerably smaller.
28mm is the organic development of over thirty years of production .Figures are 28mm foot to eye or toe to head . As a uniformity of styling ,height and bulk . Simply because uniformity is visually pleasing. If it wasn't so then we all wouldn't bemoan the lack of uniformity .
As for units of. Been split into equal hieght groups.Life has a funny way of biting statistics in the arse.
I'm 5'11"(& 1/2 been the butt of many a joke because of it.)I was the second shortest in our platoon . Andy Parks was 5'7".
In 3rd Platoon Paul Troop was the tallest at 5'10". And nearly 2" taller than anyone else in the munchkins.
On regimental Parades guess where the RSM had them march.
It's also down to regional varriations too you get a lot short arses from the mining towns, and the fishing towns. A lot of lanky sods from rural areas,and so on.
The reason I used those figures is simply to show two things .That When you use 28mm as an average height (1940's being approximately 5'8" or in this case 5'6" for an earlier and now older generation.)All sorts of variation bounces in to a range . 28mm isn't an average height its a unified height as an aesthetic. I chose to reverse that asethetic to emphasize the ecliptic nature of the subject(home guard).
The aesthetic is unified by insuring that all the equipment and kit is standardized across the entire range so the shortest figure has the same visual reference points as the tallest.
Which avoids the issues mention on non uniformity of items. These are fixed points of 'scale' eg a. 303 is the same length in the hands of a child as it is in the hands of a fully grown man.It doesn't change in length as the person changes in height only its ergonomic relationship to the person.
You've every right to bemoan any lack of continuity with in a range.
In short 28mm is truly an aesthetic . Nothing more .
It's easy to say but not so easy to truly get your head around.
It's purely down to taste . If you feel a particular scale of vehicle suits your notion of the relationship between man and machine go for it. No one can tell you your wrong. Some choose the larger scales as they perceive the vehicle as being the dominant visual cue and others choose the smaller scales as they perceive the human form as the dominant visual cue. Neither is right and neither is wrong. Personally I'm more visually cued by the webbing and the weapons as they are what I know and what I grew up with. So accurate weapon play and slighty oversized kit is something that draws my eye to a figure. Plus being infantry tanks a bloody big and driven by ignorant arseholes who do consider looking where they're going but don't care coz 65tons is an argument winner.Where as you are scrimmed and squishy biological fog.
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Extremely good points, as a buyer you choose the figures that meet your requirements.
I did get the impression that the original post was an inquiry prior to entering into the market. Have we answered that question?
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More or less .All be it indirectly.
1/48 is no more dominant than 1/56. I work for companies who each prefer a different interpretation of 28mm.Which is challenging in its self.There's a market share for each scale as there's advocates for gaming in each.
The only time you'll risk falling flat is if you specialise in obscure or prototype vehicles.As these tend to be one trick ponies often with a negative return on the time and effort invested in its production.
Bread and butter models first novelties last.
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Unless you are me and do it for funsies most of the time :)
Hence the stupid Sno-Cat... ;D
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Thats the thread I was going to read next ;)
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Unless you are me and do it for funsies most of the time :)
Hence the stupid Sno-Cat... ;D
Or a Ratte.
Or this' http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=108673.0 (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=108673.0)
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At least the Reichstag was finished... :P (Sold now too!)
The Ratte... well it's been so long the masking tape that was holding it together has failed so it's now a flat pack Ratte...with no instructions.
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lol thats because Rich uses witchcraft and thats what allows him to get such projects past his Mrs. If I tried it Mrs TSG would be serving time.(I cant even get away with saying I do for a living. It'd start with If you think your making toy soldier all day and ....)
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I made a german unit out of various figures with the deliberate intent of them varying in size, but harmonizing equipment to look somewhat close in size across them all was a bleedin' nightmare.
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The Ratte... well it's been so long the masking tape that was holding it together has failed so it's now a flat pack Ratte...with no instructions.
So what is Ratte in Swedish?
https://youtu.be/mO7W2Tytfvk (https://youtu.be/mO7W2Tytfvk)
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So what is Ratte in Swedish?
https://youtu.be/mO7W2Tytfvk (https://youtu.be/mO7W2Tytfvk)
Råtta.
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Well, I don‘t mind the chaps in my ‚armies‘ being of different sizes... what I really mind though is when identical equipment is all over the lace scale wise.
Yeah, that's been my primary hesitancy to mix ranges too much as the scale increases. The problem is not figures of slightly variable height. It's that different scales are used for their weapons and equipment. At 20mm it's not always as painfully obvious. I've found sculpt quality is usually far more important than strict "base-to-eye" vs "base-to-top of head" scale adherence. At 25-28mm, it more often is. Heads and weapons especially start to stand out, and weapons, unlike helmets, don't come in "sizes."
When the ranges are compatible in the weaponry and the sculpt quality, usually I have no problem with some guys being chunky and others being tall and lanky. That kind of variation can be good for verisimilitude.
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Thought I didn't have a pic of my Germans (since I still haven't gotten around to painting them), but it turns out I do after all:
(http://i.imgur.com/PWyz5OZ.jpg)
Rifles were a pain, but at least they're more or less the same. The rest of the kit was easy - I just used bits off a couple Warlord sprues.
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Another demonstration of the variation between 1/56 and 28mm.
(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-nqcsTr8EjDU/XLmzzDuV3HI/AAAAAAAAFTY/Lpym1v1oH_c2Yt_ne07if7BghN6msR74QCLcBGAs/s1600/sdkfz2-6.png)
This will not be getting an M134 minigun.
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Another demonstration of the variation between 1/56 and 28mm.
(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-nqcsTr8EjDU/XLmzzDuV3HI/AAAAAAAAFTY/Lpym1v1oH_c2Yt_ne07if7BghN6msR74QCLcBGAs/s1600/sdkfz2-6.png)
This will not be getting an M134 minigun.
Looks spot on size wise ???
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(http://www.livesteammodels.co.uk/dhmg/images6/11752.jpg)
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Bolt Action classify it as capable of transporting three people and tow light artillery, AT and Flack. I know they were used as tugs to move German jet aircraft.
I just wondered what they were used for in North Africa?
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Another demonstration of the variation between 1/56 and 28mm.
(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-nqcsTr8EjDU/XLmzzDuV3HI/AAAAAAAAFTY/Lpym1v1oH_c2Yt_ne07if7BghN6msR74QCLcBGAs/s1600/sdkfz2-6.png)
This will not be getting an M134 minigun.
In the pic supplied by Tommy 20 the headlamp is at waist high to the standing soldier. If the figure was not on a base this looks spot on to me.
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In the pic supplied by Tommy 20 the headlamp is at waist high to the standing soldier. If the figure was not on a base this looks spot on to me.
I do not doubt it is the correct size, and once painted will be used for something by my Perry Afrika Korp (still waiting for other suggestions, good though the ones supplied were).
http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=97132.msg1457833#msg1457833 (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=97132.msg1457833#msg1457833)
It is just not going to lead the charge against CASE NIGHTMARE RED ^__^.
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I think they used them because they were available. Plus the halftrack design gave them good mobility over the desert sand. They also could be transported by air.
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People always forget the bases.
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People always forget the bases.
Not me (though I could have used the "Terminator" version).
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