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Title: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: Rich H on May 05, 2019, 12:08:57 PM
WIP
Title: Re: M48A3 - WIP
Post by: Ultravanillasmurf on May 05, 2019, 02:38:06 PM
Good start.

Wha scale are you going for?
Title: Re: M48A3 - WIP
Post by: Rich H on May 05, 2019, 04:02:12 PM
Scale is easily adjusted but the detail is made for 28mm
Title: Re: M48A3 - WIP
Post by: Splod on May 06, 2019, 09:13:16 AM
Careful now, '28mm scale' is a hotly contested field these days  ;)

Looking forward to seeing this released, no matter the scale. It's looking to be a cracking sculpt.
Title: Re: M48A3 - WIP
Post by: Rich H on May 06, 2019, 11:30:05 AM
Thats why I'm being vague  :)

Beauty of 3d prints is that, within reason, scale can be adjusted.  Obviously if its adjusted too far up or down either the details become too tiny and fragile if scaled down or the result lacks detail when scaled up.

Its drawn to be printed between 1/100 and 1/35  outside that range it'll be obvious.
Title: Re: M48A3 - WIP
Post by: Rich H on May 06, 2019, 11:30:59 AM
Tracks are done.

Turret is a blobby nightmare...
Title: Re: M48A3 - WIP
Post by: Rich H on May 06, 2019, 10:48:21 PM
This turret has taken most of the day.... >:(
Title: Re: M48A3 - WIP
Post by: Rich H on May 06, 2019, 11:06:34 PM
Nice simple symmetrical turret - NOT
Title: Re: M48A3 - WIP
Post by: carlos marighela on May 07, 2019, 05:45:02 AM
You too? Seems to be the year of the M-48. Strictly speaking, with that 105mm gun you've shown it's an M-48A5 not an A3.
Title: Re: M48A3 - WIP
Post by: Rich H on May 07, 2019, 06:49:55 AM
Good spot.  I need to finds a drawing of an A3.
Title: Re: M48A3 - WIP
Post by: Ultravanillasmurf on May 07, 2019, 07:49:16 AM
Well the George Bradford book appears to only have the A1 and A5.

NVG31 has a line drawing of an M48 with a natty four drum fuel rack (page 47) and a cutaway of an A3 (plate D).

Probably not much help, sorry.

Nice work by the way.
Title: Re: M48A3 - WIP
Post by: Rich H on May 07, 2019, 07:56:41 AM
I've got a drawing I jsut need to find it in the archive...

Only real difference (that I can tell) is the gun barrel and muzzle brake.

This will be getting the mini-turret and extension piece for Vietnam.
Title: Re: M48A3 - WIP
Post by: carlos marighela on May 07, 2019, 11:56:04 AM
Cool! Now while you are at it and Vietnam inspired:

http://www.tanks-encyclopedia.com/coldwar/US/amphibious-cargo-carrier-m76-otter/

The combination of wide tracks and almost Sno-catty weirdness makes me think this would be a dream build for you Rich.

Then there’s this:

https://olive-drab.com/idphoto/id_photos_m116_husky.php

Of course I suspect that once the penny drops that the M-48 shares much of the suspension and tracks with it’s Goliath half-brother, the M-103, you just won’t be able to resist. :D



Title: Re: M48A3 - WIP
Post by: Rich H on May 07, 2019, 12:01:26 PM
Interesting additions... will take a look thanks!
Title: Re: M48A3 - WIP
Post by: Rich H on May 07, 2019, 12:05:15 PM
Cant find a husky drawing but got an otter:

(https://www.the-blueprints.com/blueprints-depot/tanks/tanks-m/m76-otter.png)
Title: Re: M48A3 - WIP
Post by: FreakyFenton on May 07, 2019, 12:44:39 PM
Cool projects? Will they be commercially available?
Title: Re: M48A3 - WIP
Post by: Rich H on May 07, 2019, 12:47:33 PM
The M48 will be as it's a commission.
The rest will be on spec see if they want more.

List is currently:
Ontos
Sheridan
Gage Commando

Now Adding:
Otter

But there is a lon glist of other things too... 
Title: Re: M48A3 - WIP
Post by: FreakyFenton on May 07, 2019, 12:49:33 PM
Oh nice, I might pm you and finally order some of these excellent models!  :D lol

Thanks for the heads up!
Title: Re: M48A3 - WIP
Post by: Ultravanillasmurf on May 07, 2019, 07:06:59 PM
Oooh, a Cadillac Gage Commando.That brings back memories of The Morrow Proect.
Title: Re: M48A3 - WIP
Post by: carlos marighela on May 07, 2019, 09:29:46 PM
Nobody ever seems to remember, or care for my favourite ‘toy’ jeep, the USMC’s very own M-422 Mighty Mite. Cute in a sort of anime way but saw a bit of service.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M422_Mighty_Mite

Title: Re: M48A3 - WIP
Post by: Ultravanillasmurf on May 08, 2019, 08:33:59 AM
Nobody ever seems to remember, or care for my favourite ‘toy’ jeep, the USMC’s very own M-422 Mighty Mite. Cute in a sort of anime way but saw a bit of service.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M422_Mighty_Mite
That is cute.
Title: Re: M48A3 - WIP
Post by: Munindk on May 08, 2019, 09:09:46 AM
Very cute :)

On the topic of other vehicles, specifically jeeps, I'm wondering how much difference there is between the old WW2 era jeeps and the Vietnam war era jeeps?

From pictures it seems that the main difference was the grille being vertical instead of horizontal slots.
Title: Re: M48A3 - WIP
Post by: Rich H on May 08, 2019, 09:32:53 AM
Pretty sure the later jeeps were signifiacntly larger too.

Bit of progress last night but the ankle biter decided that sleeping was boring and he'd much rather scream.

By the way the top cupola is almost as bad as the main turret.... 
Title: Re: M48A3 - WIP
Post by: carlos marighela on May 08, 2019, 09:43:54 AM
How technical do you want to get? Suffice it to say that the M-151 MUTT was a completely different vehicle with almost nothing in common with a WW2 era Willys MB / Ford GPW jeep, structurally or motor mechanically.

MUTTs weren’t the only jeeps in service in Vietnam. There were still substantial holdings of M-38A1 s, the successor to the M-38, itself the successor to the WW2 era Willys MB/ Ford GPW. The only 28mm sized ones I know of is the 1/48 version that comes with the Monogram/Revell CH-53 kit. You also get a 105mm howitzer but I doubt you’ll want to shell out big bucks for a two foot long helicopter.

There are a number of 1/64 diecast CJ-5 models out there, the M-38A1 essentially being the military version. They are rather on the small side though.
Title: Re: M48A3 - WIP
Post by: Ultravanillasmurf on May 08, 2019, 10:27:46 AM
From pictures it seems that the main difference was the grille being vertical instead of horizontal slots.
I had looked at http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=114631.msg1450143#msg1450143 (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=114631.msg1450143#msg1450143) many times but not noticed the horizontal grill.

There is a tendency to consider a jeep is a jeep is a jeep (except when it is a gitpanzer), as Carlos rightly points out that is not the case
Title: Re: M48A3 - WIP
Post by: Munindk on May 08, 2019, 10:51:25 AM
So Gringos is the only reasonably priced M151, but M38s werent completely fased out?
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: Rich H on May 08, 2019, 10:57:27 AM
Corrected the title... damn American naming conventions...

So the MUTT is covered, what else is missing from the Vietnam range in 28mm?
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: mrcleh on May 08, 2019, 11:57:21 AM
How about the Dodge M37? It was also converted into gun trucks:
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: carlos marighela on May 08, 2019, 10:17:33 PM
What else is missing? Quite a lot but how much is desired is another thing.

The M-37 is a good choice, although it will irritate me slightly having gone to the trouble of cutting up a perfectly good 1/50 Dodge WC just to make one. Its replacement, the M-715 would give you a distinctive looking model but limited to the latter half of the war.

The ten ton M-54 is the most obvious softskin missing. It looks like the M-35 series but it’s bigger. The M-54 was actually the basis for most of the gun trucks.

For the USMC,  the LVT series: LVTP-5 LVTE-6 and the LVTH-6. It’s surprising to read of the frequency with which they appear in USMC operations not just shore landings.

Armour? The US Army fielded a number of the cute but rather impractical M-56 Scorpion SPAT guns. It has essentially the same running gear as that Otter. It’s former Cold War board moderator Arlequin’s favourite vehicle.

For later war an M-551 Sheridan is required. They replaced M-48s and occasionally M-113 in various armoured cavalry units and were the second principle tank used by the US Army in Vietnam.  They are available on Shapeways and Company B did a 1/56 version IIRC. Think that one is OOP though.

If you fancied using the M-48 chassis for other things then there’s the M-88 ARV and a bridge layer would be pretty cool. The Marines, being the Marines had their own ARV, the M-51, based on the M-103 chassis. That would definitely pander to any desire to make something big. They were massive items.

Plenty of other stuff but I’m already in silly/ fantasy territory.
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: Ultravanillasmurf on May 08, 2019, 10:53:58 PM
There is the M41 Walker Bulldog, in use with ARVN plus the M42 Duster.

Due to losses, M48A2s were used due to shortages of t diesel A3s.
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: Rich H on May 08, 2019, 11:18:02 PM
Thanks chaps - lots to think about!

In the meantime:
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: Rich H on May 08, 2019, 11:21:15 PM
Wow the LVTP is one ugly lump! :o

I think to give me a break from curved things the Otter will be next. 
It appears to have been designed by a child with a ruler. :-*
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: carlos marighela on May 09, 2019, 12:36:48 AM

I think to give me a break from curved things the Otter will be next. 
It appears to have been designed by a child with a ruler. :-*

Admit it, you just want one for your Arctic madness. ;) It would look cool in DayGlo orange. Beware of complacency though, there’s a serious curve in the bow section.

The LVTP would also be a seriously heavy item in 1/50. We also know you would spend hours fretting about how to make the front ramp a working item. Of course, making it hollow would seriously ease the strain on shelves. Of course everything looks better with a fucking huge mine plow on the front. :D
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: Rich H on May 09, 2019, 07:07:18 AM
The otter is pretty simple 2D curves ;)  But I'll find out!
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: Ultravanillasmurf on May 09, 2019, 01:47:22 PM
Of course everything looks better with a fucking huge mine plow on the front. :D
Good grief!

If you put the back of that in your deployment zone, the plough will be in your opponent's!
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: Rich H on May 09, 2019, 03:05:08 PM
That is an ugly beast and not improved by the plough!
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: Rich H on May 09, 2019, 09:54:25 PM
Cupola nearly done.
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: Splod on May 09, 2019, 10:44:21 PM
Any chance of disclosing who you're sculpting these for?

Also, it'd be great to see the Urdan Cupola as used on the Israeli Magach series while you're working on the M48  :)
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: carlos marighela on May 09, 2019, 10:52:36 PM
Rich, whilst you are at it, you might as well do the M-67 Zippo flamethrower version. There are just a few minor tweaks. Shorten the barrel/ flame tube a bit. Flatten the brush guards slightly for the front lghts and somewhere (I’ve never been able to make out exactly where) there’s some sort of filler cap in the turret under hang for the flame tank. Make the brush guards and barrel/ flame tube separate items and it’s essentially two kits for the price of one.
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: Rich H on May 09, 2019, 11:18:03 PM
Sorry Splod - sworn to secrecy.  Urban cupola shouldn't be too hard.

Yep, Zippo is on the list, need to look for some details.


Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: carlos marighela on May 10, 2019, 12:30:46 AM
Looking good! The two semi-spheres on the turret sides should have little apertures on the front face. These are the coincidence range finders for the main gun.

The track pads aren’t right for this model of the M-48.  The T97 track has pronounced metal chevrons on the track pads.

Thusly:
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: Rich H on May 10, 2019, 06:44:01 AM
Thanks - I wasn't sure which one to use.  I'll keep these and make a new version - it's actually pretty easy to change the tracks as they are all clones - change one and it changes all.  Note the links are actually made of 5 parts.  I didn't model the track pins though...

Yep turret is very much still WIP, lots of detail still to add.
Handrails were last night.  Turret basket is going to be 'interesting' to say the least.
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: Ultravanillasmurf on May 10, 2019, 08:44:30 AM
Impressive work.
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: Rich H on May 12, 2019, 06:39:55 PM
First print of the tracks.
Couple of mistakes but generally good.
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: Ultravanillasmurf on May 12, 2019, 07:34:14 PM
Nice.

Having just watched Full Metal Jacket, the request for an M41 (with dress up) just got bumped.
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: Splod on May 12, 2019, 08:38:10 PM
Fantastic work. I'm really looking forward to hearing how we can get our hands on them  :)
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: Rich H on May 12, 2019, 09:03:39 PM
Having problems printing the damn things properly now...
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: carlos marighela on May 12, 2019, 10:52:39 PM
Looking good!
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: Slayer on May 12, 2019, 11:20:41 PM
Nice
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: Ultravanillasmurf on May 13, 2019, 09:13:49 AM
Having problems printing the damn things properly now...

A watched printer never prints, and we are watching oh so much....
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: coldm2231 on May 13, 2019, 09:29:36 AM
Any idea on release dates for this?
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: Rich H on May 13, 2019, 09:43:07 AM
It's been printing over night so not been watching honest!  It's a lack of support or faield support - trying a new resin and it's being problematic (but it does give amazingly sharp results)

No release date yet, I've not even finished drawing the hull yet...
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: Maddoc on May 13, 2019, 12:55:42 PM
Any sign of Hot Tubs in this one?
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: Shanec on May 22, 2019, 08:23:50 PM
Mark,
Is there any chance of doing spare track links - nearly every photo of M48s in combat I've seen had several track runs hanging from their turrets?
Looking great so far - will definitely be getting one (or two!) to go with my Empress Marines.
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: Rich H on May 22, 2019, 09:40:49 PM
Not sure if Mark can help...  But I can probably manage a few spare links  lol
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: Paul Hicks on May 22, 2019, 10:40:25 PM
Not sure if Mark can help...  But I can probably manage a few spare links  lol

Top man Mark! ;)
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: Ultravanillasmurf on May 22, 2019, 10:47:08 PM
Not sure if Mark can help...  But I can probably manage a few spare links  lol
There is a whole pile of tat that would be useful (matching scale Jerry cans,  ammo boxes etc).
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: carlos marighela on May 23, 2019, 02:37:45 AM
There is a whole pile of tat that would be useful (matching scale Jerry cans,  ammo boxes etc).

Track links would be good. Most other impedimentia can be readily found in either 1/56 or 1/48 versions. I think I have enough Tamiya jerry cans to last me a lifetime. The one thing that might be worth doing as extra kit are the Mermite hot and cold food canisters. These are frequently seen in photos of tanks, strapped to the turret basket, sometimes in the canister or  just the individual containers alone.

Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: Rich H on May 25, 2019, 07:33:02 PM
Sometimes it takes a few goes to get right...

Bottom one is finally perfect!
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: Ultravanillasmurf on May 25, 2019, 08:28:37 PM
Sometimes it takes a few goes to get right...

Bottom one is finally perfect!
Is that the left one or the right one (my vote is on left).

@Carlos - I just got a Tamiya 1/48 scale Jerry cans set, I see what you mean.
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: carlos marighela on May 25, 2019, 08:37:37 PM
I dunno, I quite like the idea of the Haribo  tank. Looks good on the table and it’s a rewarding snack as well.

 :D
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: Rich H on May 25, 2019, 10:27:00 PM
damn phone...  It's the on on the right!!

Printing the other side now... 8 hours a go.

Almost finished the rest too, just turret details still to go
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: FreakyFenton on May 26, 2019, 01:16:57 AM
Heavy stuff! Looks great!  :o
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: Splod on May 26, 2019, 04:59:41 AM
Well, it definitely looks like the source material!

Looking forward to seeing it transition further to a physical model :)
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: carlos marighela on May 26, 2019, 06:44:01 AM
Could be the angle of the image or maybe it’s just me but the turret looks a little flat and lower than it should.
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: Rich H on May 26, 2019, 07:30:07 AM
It's correct to the drawings I've got (No guarantees they are right of course): Fusion draws things without perspective which makes things look weird.

Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: Ultravanillasmurf on May 26, 2019, 08:35:42 AM
That is back to the one with the 105mm gun ^__^.
[Edit] It is the one with the 90 and 105mm guns ^__^.
I see what Carlos meant about the Haribo version (as opposed to the Kendal Mint Cake version).
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: Rich H on May 26, 2019, 08:47:20 AM
That is back to the one with the 105mm gun ^__^.
[Edit] It is the one with the 90 and 105mm guns ^__^.
I see what Carlos meant about the Haribo version (as opposed to the Kendal Mint Cake version).

I wondered if anyone would spot the gun...

They are components within the drawing.  I can add or remove them with a click.  I just grabbed the barrels to print as they don't take up much room and forgot to turn one off again!

You'd not want to eat these versions... 
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: Rich H on May 30, 2019, 09:02:29 AM
Finally got a pair of tracks I can work with... 

Next up - the Hull! 
I've printed it once, printed almost perfectly firat time - but I've had ot make changes to the model to beef up areas, I'll also print it the other way up.  Problem is the fine vent slats at the rear are easily damaged then removeing supports so I'll print it the other way up.

That said - seeing as I already have a hull I might print a turret...  so I can at least see the whole hting in one piece!
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: Ultravanillasmurf on May 30, 2019, 09:39:11 AM
Looking forward to seeing it.
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: Rich H on May 30, 2019, 01:19:55 PM
Me too!
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: Rich H on May 30, 2019, 10:04:33 PM
Progress:
(https://scontent.flhr4-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/61795437_10157275754576774_3670730474252140544_n.jpg?_nc_cat=111&_nc_eui2=AeFafPJ_RFqymx71z_pr2ICPfxxSLiq9_ULyz9RZzDNqaafPN3r63yQGlsUWmY_5_BU6mmre2BKvMN85EzadzU7LisWsTIl3fDj_LBK-xHLxNQ&_nc_ht=scontent.flhr4-2.fna&oh=2633f8d7dd989a1f764326ebca64d743&oe=5D97B8BD)
(https://scontent.flhr4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/61327733_10157275755171774_5200810619242020864_n.jpg?_nc_cat=107&_nc_eui2=AeGGy_-Oz5W7HLeCOWYOciwC0FXZt_mt9lSi8GnBated_fnXKSeq07DBB-F8nYNgtQk-xIQ8rk1kDrh-BAfmmJv3JU4HRLsNp73TObMjVxCN-A&_nc_ht=scontent.flhr4-1.fna&oh=a87d7dafd6161b981d3fc5a5b5dbda3d&oe=5D964382)
(https://scontent.flhr4-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/61565570_10157275767841774_3528684502635249664_n.jpg?_nc_cat=106&_nc_eui2=AeGJmkgkX2h953IEOJK9WDIPjd-plolYzbDq8unqPyfPOQNgxW_kvRKvcJtzWS1CiwFqFYtVqFxSiRg8v5FAKmTkapDndonSbAsOPpKDsoCYWA&_nc_ht=scontent.flhr4-1.fna&oh=b8eef0eeb25b0111772cd8f7962e070a&oe=5D8B860F)
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: Ultravanillasmurf on May 30, 2019, 10:51:16 PM
Nice.
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: carlos marighela on May 31, 2019, 12:13:44 AM
Getting there. Looks like the cupola .50 cal could do with metal or resin replacement though.

Now, just in case you were minded to do a Mighty Mite, here’s a useful reference, complete with plans.

http://www.vintagemilitarytrucks.com/M422%20Mighty%20Mite%20Page.htm

Here’s a picture of Walter Cronkite at Huế featuring one.

Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: Slayer on May 31, 2019, 02:07:08 AM
Very nice
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: carlos marighela on May 31, 2019, 02:33:16 AM
The mantlet could stand some further work. Firstly to give it  fabric like texture on the cover and secondly and more importantly, to give it that distinctive, concertina like, look. Beyond that, it's shaping up well.
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: Rich H on May 31, 2019, 06:43:24 AM
Barrel and handrails will be replaced in wire, might upscale them a little too.
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: Rich H on May 31, 2019, 08:00:43 AM
New hull looks to have printed fine. 
Popped it off the bed and hit print again (need 2)

Will get a better look at it later.
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: coldm2231 on May 31, 2019, 10:19:43 AM
Looking good!!!
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: Paul Hicks on May 31, 2019, 12:41:48 PM
Would love to crew this up one day
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: Ultravanillasmurf on June 01, 2019, 06:05:02 PM
Would love to crew this up one day
Would that include tank riders?

Rats, I was looking for the M48A3 at Hue photograph that is on one of the recent threads.
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: Rich H on June 01, 2019, 09:53:30 PM
I call this progress
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: FreakyFenton on June 01, 2019, 10:09:15 PM
Oh, also nice to see different types of resin or printing material, didn't know there was clear one, like on the uppermost turret.
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: Rich H on June 01, 2019, 10:22:54 PM
The transparent is a pain in the arse!!  It tends to bleed uv through so needs lots of clean up!  It also goes very yellow very quickly. I was hoping to print clear bits but it's useless. 

The grey and white are painted trace costs so I can see defects
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: Ultravanillasmurf on June 01, 2019, 10:28:04 PM
They look good.

How do you feel about them?
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: Rich H on June 01, 2019, 10:29:35 PM
The grey one is almost right lol
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: FreakyFenton on June 01, 2019, 10:43:09 PM
Oh glad to hear! And surprising on the clear stuff!
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: Rich H on June 01, 2019, 11:01:13 PM
To be fair it's 'natural' resin as in without pigment.  It's not really ever going to be clear.  It's clear for about 10mins and apparently can be clear coated to stop the yellow but I'll just use something else for Windows.
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: Slayer on June 01, 2019, 11:06:52 PM
looking good
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: carlos marighela on June 01, 2019, 11:53:26 PM
Looking good but the mantlet still needs fixing. About the only people I can think of who used a naked mantlet was the Bundeswehr on later marks of the M-48A2G2.

I had a look at redoing the mantlet on a plastic 1/48 Revell/Monogram M-48A2 and I reckon old school green stuff is probably the best way to get that squeeze box look where the mantlet cover meets the turret. With CAD and a printer, I’m sure there’s a better way.
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: Rich H on June 02, 2019, 07:51:31 AM
Green stuff is the plan.  Using the program I have it'll look too regular and sharp.  There is a gap left for the green stuff so it stays put.
I don't have to produce everything in CAD as it's a casting master.
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: Ultravanillasmurf on June 02, 2019, 07:59:51 AM
Thanks Carlos, I now have that Pete Townsend song on repeat, so I will never sleep at night....
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: carlos marighela on June 02, 2019, 10:43:27 AM
Wot? Pinball Wizard?

Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: Ultravanillasmurf on June 02, 2019, 01:21:58 PM
Thanks Carlos, I now have that Pete Townsend song on repeat, so I will never sleep at night....
Wot? Pinball Wizard?
#Well the kids don't eat
   And the dog can't sleep
   There's no escape from the music
    In the whole damn street
#
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: Rich H on June 02, 2019, 08:18:03 PM
Broke a bit off the decent hull.... so it's back on the printer.  But this time I've activated the Anti-Aliasing firmware.  This basically means instead of the LCD pixels being on or off it now prints in greyscale.  It's supposed to smooth out the lines even further.  I tried it on the cupola and it has made some difference on the double curves so it will be interesting to see what it does to the hull.
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: carlos marighela on June 02, 2019, 09:18:23 PM
But surely anti-aliasing software means you can’t pass it off as an early M-60 or call it ‘Sid’, ‘Deep Throat’ or ‘The Notorious BIG’?

I think anything that allows for greyscale should be called ‘Visage’ in honour of Steve Strange.
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: Rich H on June 02, 2019, 09:50:53 PM
Looks more like a Tiger II
(https://pics.imcdb.org/0is174/tankbfgt1.9564.jpg)
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: carlos marighela on June 02, 2019, 10:05:07 PM
I must see if I still have the photos but someone at Little Wars in Melbourne did an absolutely brilliant Battle of the Bulge game using 1/87 Roco/Roskopf M-47s. It was all set on a very Hollywood back lot table. Sheer genius it was.
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: Rich H on June 02, 2019, 10:11:32 PM
love it :D
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: von Lucky on June 03, 2019, 10:10:06 AM
I must see if I still have the photos but someone at Little Wars in Melbourne did an absolutely brilliant Battle of the Bulge game using 1/87 Roco/Roskopf M-47s. It was all set on a very Hollywood back lot table. Sheer genius it was.

That was an awesome set up (2015!):
(https://scontent.fmel5-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/11312597_962956930405147_1274400124775503679_o.jpg?_nc_cat=102&_nc_ht=scontent.fmel5-1.fna&oh=ce9a7a816b350bf5582a1552675687d6&oe=5D93D386)
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: carlos marighela on June 03, 2019, 10:31:36 AM
Good man! I couldn’t find ‘em. Hilarious set up. If you look up in the right hand corner there’s even a red Bell helicopter doing the filming/ directing the shoot.
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: carlos marighela on June 08, 2019, 12:36:40 PM
Just something I’ve noticed. I’ve been scouring books and the net for photos of M48A3s to correct some issues with a model version.

None of the photos shows any X style bracing on the foremost part of the front fenders. Those that have a reinforcement show a rib running from the hull across the fender.

On the other hand that X style reinforcement shows up on the front and rear fenders of M48A5s. I suspect it’s a modification made when the M48A5 conversions were made.

Here’s what I mean. M48A3 top, M48A5 bottom.
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: Rich H on June 11, 2019, 09:37:29 PM
Now with big torch
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: Ultravanillasmurf on June 11, 2019, 10:21:28 PM
Very good.
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: FreakyFenton on June 13, 2019, 12:59:45 PM
Amazing!
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: Rich H on July 01, 2019, 09:57:37 AM
Still chipping away at this...

Not happy with the turret still: I've now added the canvas cover clips to the turret face and reprinted the turret at double resolution (went from 2 hours to 5 hours...) just waiting for it to cure in the sun (ha - I'm in Lancashire)  then I can hit it with undercoat and get a proper look at it.

I'm going to be sending the prototypes off to empress for their opinion soon to ensure I've not made any major cockups...  then I can print the final final final version... :o
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: Paul @ Empress Miniatures on July 01, 2019, 10:17:27 AM
Exciting stuff  :o :o :o :o :o
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: carlos marighela on July 01, 2019, 11:34:43 AM
Odd, I’ve always thought of Lancashire as being an exotic locale. Now you’re telling us it’s nor replete with a sunny clime and palm trees swaying gently in the tropical breeze?

Judging by the temperatures in France this week, just give it a few years. Blackpool, the Acapulco of the North.*

Looking forward to seeing the completed product.

* Lower body count of course.
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: Rich H on July 02, 2019, 08:11:56 AM
New turret is printed and, aside from a touch of Z wobble (I really need to fix that...) it's awesome.  There are viretually no lines at all and those that are visible are vertical not horizontal.  Basically the vertical resolution (0.02mm) is better than the horizontal (0.047mm).  But the undercoat has seen them off.  A touch of sanding on the Z-wobble lines and it's looking good.  The onyl bit that needs work is the turret edge as it's come out a bit soft - but that is easily fixed with miliput.

Going to send the prototype off to Empress for assessment for casting this week.
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: Ultravanillasmurf on July 02, 2019, 08:17:32 AM
Excellent.
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: tomrommel1 on July 02, 2019, 02:17:27 PM
that sounds very good
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: Rich H on July 02, 2019, 03:31:22 PM
Bitten the bullet adn ordered a £100 upgrade to fix the z-wobble. 
I could try to adjust it out but it will come back, this will eliminate it - plus it's a really solid looking bit of engineering.  (And shiney)
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: Mr C on July 03, 2019, 06:09:31 PM
I have no idea how you are making this model but I can't wait to see the end result and get my hands on one (or maybe two). Keep at it!
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: Ultravanillasmurf on July 03, 2019, 10:27:14 PM
I have no idea how you are making this model but I can't wait to see the end result and get my hands on one (or maybe two). Keep at it!
I think he uses magic, especially as he keeps coming up with other projects.
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: Rich H on July 03, 2019, 10:34:59 PM
 ;D
I simply pile stuff up and remove the bits that aren't tank.
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: Splod on July 04, 2019, 12:35:55 AM
;D
I simply pile stuff up and remove the bits that aren't tank.

 lol lol lol lol lol
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: Rich H on July 15, 2019, 07:39:51 AM
Z wobble fix and some setting faff later
Warm off the printer. 
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: Ultravanillasmurf on July 15, 2019, 08:08:20 AM
Z wobble fix and some setting faff later
Warm off the printer.
It is magic, I tell you....
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: Rich H on July 15, 2019, 08:37:28 AM
The sort of magic that takes practice, frustrations, tears and hard work... >:(
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: tomrommel1 on July 15, 2019, 08:56:24 AM
that looks promising
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: Rich H on July 15, 2019, 12:41:03 PM
Going to thicken up the turret basket rails they are currently 0.8mm going to up that to 1mm to make it easier to cast.
But yes at first look it looks good.
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: coldm2231 on July 15, 2019, 04:52:43 PM
Looking good.... what scale will it be?
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: Rich H on July 15, 2019, 06:19:30 PM
Thanks!

1/50 to match the other Empress vehicles
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: commissarmoody on July 16, 2019, 03:40:06 AM
 :o How did I miss this thread earlier? Very nice.
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: Paul @ Empress Miniatures on July 16, 2019, 11:56:31 AM
:o How did I miss this thread earlier? Very nice.

Where have you been????? lol

There is also this thread;

http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=117561.0
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: Rich H on July 16, 2019, 12:09:48 PM
I'd forgotten how much of a pain the tracks are...  got several failures on the back of the roadwheels... not really visible but not good enough - adjusted the model and tried again...  9 hours 30 mins to print...
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: gamer Mac on July 16, 2019, 12:24:37 PM
Great work :-* :-* :-*
Can I ask how many hours do you spend doing the CAD work before your 3D printing?
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: Rich H on July 16, 2019, 12:38:45 PM
A lot ;) I'm still learning as I go, every now and then I have to stop and go lean a new bit...

This beast is a nasty combination of double curves and an asymmetric cast turret so has taken a long time to get right.  Something like the Gage Commando is far more straight forward as it's mostly flat plates.

The detail takes as long as the basics too: I use a combination of drawings (not always reliable), historical photos (Not always possible to tell if it's the right model) and museum walk around photos (sometimes modified or cobbled together).  Even then I don't always get it right first time (This one had the wrong mudguards, air filter boxes and tracks initially) 
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: commissarmoody on July 16, 2019, 01:09:56 PM
Where have you been????? lol

There is also this thread;

http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=117561.0
I am a newly Wed, so i haven't been following my hobby as much as I would like some times.  lol
And Neat on the C-gage!
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: carlos marighela on July 16, 2019, 01:48:51 PM
Congratulations! Or, as someone who feels that they have been married for all eternity or maybe just the term of their natural life, please accept my deepest condolences. :)
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: commissarmoody on July 16, 2019, 02:06:25 PM
Thanks! Wife and I meet on a school trip to Greece in 2002, took us this long to tie the knot. She also knew about the hobby before we married and still said yes.  lol
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: Paul @ Empress Miniatures on July 16, 2019, 02:53:56 PM
Thanks! Wife and I meet on a school trip to Greece in 2002, took us this long to tie the knot. She also knew about the hobby before we married and still said yes.  lol

Christine got tested on a Zulu War Game in the early days and didn't dump me so figured she was worth the effort. She now bullies me at work every day.  lol

Congrats.....where was our invite  ;D
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: commissarmoody on July 17, 2019, 02:49:26 AM
Stephanie, plays magic and crushed my Turks whither her polish Calvary army..... And my Swedish pike blocks with her Turks in another game.
As for invites.....They must have been lost in the mail! That's it! (Grabs cap and coat before rushing out the door)
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: Blackwolf on July 17, 2019, 03:05:32 AM
I am a newly Wed, so i haven't been following my hobby as much as I would like some times.  lol
And Neat on the C-gage!
Congratulations!
My wife ,Annette is the best thing that ever happened to me,and she puts up with my weird hobbies: toy soldiers, classic cars(two),guitars,collecting binoculars, photography, ferns,and the list goes on. It's books that got us together  :)
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: commissarmoody on July 17, 2019, 04:42:51 AM
Oh yes, books are a must. We have walls of books and have even read most of them.
But yeah no regrets, planning for the future with my best friend.
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: Rich H on July 17, 2019, 08:22:25 AM
Congrats!

In other news... the seocnd track printed over night; on initial check it looks good

Next up turret. 

Turret basket has been beefed up (I'd not realised but the basket rails as printed was 0.5mm thick but still printed just fine!) I've increased them to 0.8mm for robustness. I was going for 1mm but they looked too chunky. 

I still need to tweak the hull: there are a couple of areas that need reworking. 
The handles on the rear deck are very flimsey and need 'connecting' solidly to the hull
The headlamp guards are not right still. 
Also the mudguard connections need to be a bit more sturdy as they are easily damaged at the moment.

Hopefully get the changes made tonight and the turret on the printer overnight.
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: Paul @ Empress Miniatures on July 17, 2019, 08:57:18 AM
 :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: commissarmoody on July 17, 2019, 09:13:20 AM
Thanks and cool!  :D
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: Mr C on July 17, 2019, 11:08:53 AM
Cant wait to see the M48 finished. Given your efforts I'm sure it will be well worth the wait!
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: Rich H on July 18, 2019, 12:24:04 PM
Thanks!

Second track out - looks OK.

Turret printed overnight, looks OK at first check but might reprint as the layer lines appear quite promenant on the mantle.  I'll reprint in a different orientation.

Problem is the best orientation is flat but this causes a 'softer' edge to the turret. 
The problems arise when the curved surface approaches the plane of the print. 
This is because, like a contour map, you get fewer contours so you get a much more noticable steps. 
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: Rich H on July 18, 2019, 08:35:28 PM
Orientation makes a difference

Remember the layers are 0.05mm so not that noticeable.  This effect is because of the angle at which it was printed.

Printing again flat and at 0.02mm/layer.  9 hours...
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: Rich H on July 29, 2019, 01:04:43 PM
Finally got somewhere... got a decent print - jsut a mantle cover to greenstuff and a minor repair to the hull and it's ready to go.

Gage commando is likewise almost ready plus another vehicle thing is close behind...

Problem I have is I can do clean stuff like the CAD work, and I can dash out to the printer and set it off/clean it up for 10-15mins at a time but I don't have much time for messy stuff (Like the greenstuff) as I'm inevitably on child minding duties. 
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: Rich H on August 21, 2019, 07:39:00 AM
Now with Empress for manufacture.
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: Paul Hicks on August 21, 2019, 07:57:34 AM
Now with Empress for manufacture.

YES!
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: Paul @ Empress Miniatures on August 21, 2019, 09:00:07 AM
This one is a beut.  :-*
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: tomrommel1 on August 21, 2019, 09:06:07 AM
indeed!!!!
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: coldm2231 on August 21, 2019, 09:13:59 AM
 Any chance we can see it next to some of your figures? I am really hoping that the 1/50 Corgi M48s were over scaled because they were massive compared to 28mm figures!! Lovely looking model... how long for release?   ;D
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: Rich H on August 21, 2019, 09:27:05 AM
This was a previous prototype
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: coldm2231 on August 21, 2019, 09:54:44 AM
Thanks for the picture.... I'll take 3!!!!!
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: carlos marighela on August 21, 2019, 10:10:10 AM
Identical size-wise with the Corgi by the look of it and just as it should be.

It’s a pretty big unit in real life.
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: Rich H on August 21, 2019, 10:20:11 AM
Both 1:50 so should be very similar.

It's massive, deceptively so as it's (relatively) tall too.  It was a right pig to print as a result!
The Ontos by comparison is tiny!
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: Sparrow on August 21, 2019, 06:15:00 PM
It’s looking brilliant
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: Ultravanillasmurf on August 21, 2019, 08:15:08 PM
Excellent.

One for the USMC and one for 11 ACR.
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: carlos marighela on August 21, 2019, 11:07:50 PM
Well, as Rich indicated earlier, the kit should provide for an M67 Zippo as well, so maybe you really need three.  ;)
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: Rich H on August 21, 2019, 11:08:27 PM
Not yet but it's on the list ;)
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: carlos marighela on August 22, 2019, 12:36:45 AM
Shouldn’t a second (flame) barrel and slightly modified brush guards for the headlights do the trick? I doubt anyone is going to looking for the filler cap for the flame tank. Even the brush guards could be modified with a file. As far as I am aware there are no other obvious external differences. The raised cupola of the M48 A3 Model B was also applied and just as relevant to the M67.

Extra barrel and brush guards, potentially two tanks for the price of one. Of course, if Empress choose to market it as a second kit, it makes no difference, folk will still buy a second item for the specific variant.
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: Poiter50 on August 22, 2019, 02:20:24 AM
Or a conversion for the Corgi beast?
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: Rich H on August 22, 2019, 06:56:53 AM
Shouldn’t a second (flame) barrel and slightly modified brush guards for the headlights do the trick? I doubt anyone is going to looking for the filler cap for the flame tank. Even the brush guards could be modified with a file. As far as I am aware there are no other obvious external differences. The raised cupola of the M48 A3 Model B was also applied and just as relevant to the M67.

Extra barrel and brush guards, potentially two tanks for the price of one. Of course, if Empress choose to market it as a second kit, it makes no difference, folk will still buy a second item for the specific variant.

It's just time and lack of good drawings.  I'll do it eventually. Priority was getting the M48A3 /Commando /Ontos out the door.  The only drawing I've found so far is this one:
(https://www.scalemates.com/products/img/3/4/0/1079340-20627-91-pristine.jpg)
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: Ultravanillasmurf on August 22, 2019, 07:01:43 PM
Excellent.

One for the USMC and one for 11 ACR.

Well, as Rich indicated earlier, the kit should provide for an M67 Zippo as well, so maybe you really need three.  ;)
The 11 ACR will be have two ACAVs and an M48, the USMC with M48, M50 and Mule etc. One or more V100s (those Crooked Dice General's Army chaps are looking for a ride).

I think two M48s will do ^__^.
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: FreakyFenton on August 24, 2019, 10:35:38 PM
https://www.google.de/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Fimages-na.ssl-images-amazon.com%2Fimages%2FI%2F81APb-6RmPL.jpg&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.amazon.com%2FM48A3-Vietnam-Action-Armor-No%2Fdp%2F0897476115&docid=6IplqDu1JE2T2M&tbnid=dszCD3IsUoqVZM%3A&vet=1&w=1600&h=1223&hl=de&bih=943&biw=1920&ved=2ahUKEwj0k5PguZzkAhXJ0KQKHcWxCzcQxiAoAXoECAEQFw&iact=c&ictx=1

Might be useful info and or contain images pictures that might help.  :D
Title: Re: M48A3 Patton Tank - WIP
Post by: Rich H on August 25, 2019, 09:47:23 AM
It's done.  M67 bits printed overnight.  Not had a chance to check them yet