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Miniatures Adventure => Medieval Adventures => Topic started by: Frostie on June 13, 2019, 11:54:25 AM
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Hello One and All,
I have large lead pile of the wonderful Peter Pig figures and am looking for a 'push'.
So the questions are
1. Order of Battle
2. Retinue and Leaders, so I can research their livery
3. Composition, ie Mounted MAA, Foot MAA, Bill, Bow etc
If anyone can point me to an online source I would be very grateful
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As a quick reference, you can do a lot worse than BritishBattles.com, with a brief overview of the main battles and a quick assessment of leaders and forces - https://www.britishbattles.com/wars-of-the-roses/
No doubt it has errors and points of contention, but what historical study doesn't! It doesn't give a break-down of force composition though.
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Hope these help. The free sample pages of the source books may be exactly what you are looking for:
- War of the Roses Poleaxed Source Books (OOBs etc) - http://vexillia.com/common/shop_books.html#t-1
- Freezywater flags (15 mm) - http://vexillia.com/freezywater/shop15_flags.html
- Free flags (15 mm) - http://vexillia.com/news.html (right hand column/scroll down)
- Commanders at Bosworth (with free flags) - https://blog.vexillia.me.uk/2019/04/tudor-commanders-at-bosworth-1485.html
- Livery Colours Database - https://blog.vexillia.me.uk/2018/09/war-of-roses-livery-colours-database.html
- Livery Colours help - https://blog.vexillia.me.uk/2018/12/war-of-roses-livery-colours.html
Good luck.
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Look up The Perfect Captain 'A Coat of Steel rules and cards. They have all the coats of arms as well as a short piece on the commander's role in the WotR. Link here:
http://perfectcaptain.50megs.com/request.html
The download links include cards for each of the major (and minor minor) nobles as well as the rules.
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I have put together quite a list on my blog here
http://stormandconquest.blogspot.com/2019/02/liveries-of-war-of-roses.html (http://stormandconquest.blogspot.com/2019/02/liveries-of-war-of-roses.html)
Cheers
Matt
Hercé Salon de Guerre
Mayenne, France
"Walk the battlefield in the morning, wargame it in the afternoon"
Wargame holidays France
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My retro three’apence is John Gillingham’s The Wars of the Roses. One of the best general history books on the subject I have come across. The Osprey books on Towten, Tewksbury and the Armies of..... as well as the Pen and Sword Battlefield series books on several of the battles are also very useful sources.
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Umm, I find this thread very informative; any chance of a sticky?
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In terms of point 3, composition (and an awful lot of other erudite WOTR info) we already have a very substantial sticky here: http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=59060.0
I'd be surprised if this doesn't tell you everything you could ever possibly want to know on the subject of force composition in the Wars of the Roses! ;)
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Ah yes, I had forgotten about that interesting thread. It was more about the livery information in this thread. Anyhoo, probably no real need to sticky this.
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I’ll cut and paste the livery links from here into the existing WOTR sticky :)
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Cool, thanks. :)
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Hope these help. The free sample pages of the source books may be exactly what you are looking for:
- War of the Roses Poleaxed Source Books (OOBs etc) - http://vexillia.com/common/shop_books.html#t-1
- Freezywater flags (15 mm) - http://vexillia.com/freezywater/shop15_flags.html
- Free flags (15 mm) - http://vexillia.com/news.html (right hand column/scroll down)
- Commanders at Bosworth (with free flags) - https://blog.vexillia.me.uk/2019/04/tudor-commanders-at-bosworth-1485.html
- Livery Colours Database - https://blog.vexillia.me.uk/2018/09/war-of-roses-livery-colours-database.html
- Livery Colours help - https://blog.vexillia.me.uk/2018/12/war-of-roses-livery-colours.html
Good luck.
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Poleaxed Books - excellent resource
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Hope these help. The free sample pages of the source books may be exactly what you are looking for:
- War of the Roses Poleaxed Source Books (OOBs etc) - http://vexillia.com/common/shop_books.html#t-1
- Freezywater flags (15 mm) - http://vexillia.com/freezywater/shop15_flags.html
- Free flags (15 mm) - http://vexillia.com/news.html (right hand column/scroll down)
- Commanders at Bosworth (with free flags) - https://blog.vexillia.me.uk/2019/04/tudor-commanders-at-bosworth-1485.html
- Livery Colours Database - https://blog.vexillia.me.uk/2018/09/war-of-roses-livery-colours-database.html
- Livery Colours help - https://blog.vexillia.me.uk/2018/12/war-of-roses-livery-colours.html
Good luck.
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The best place to start digging in is Freezywater Publications 8)
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Thanks for the links and suggestions above, I will get the above mentioned Source book for some rough OOBs.
As I have seen the books by Pat McGill? (only found this name in the preface at the Vexilla site) 'Standards, Badges & Livery Colours' and 'Heraldic Banners of the Wars of the Roses' mentioned a few times and they seem very interesting.
But the preface of the 'Heraldic Banners of the Wars of the Roses' made me curious how the list cites it sources. Are there any mentions of the sources where the banners are drawn from or is it a list wargamers have concluded to compromise with in terms of research effort and historical accuracy? I know that this is a hobby after all but as one can easily access a lot of primary sources online this would be great to cross check the banners.
And following on this, is there any book that lists the miniatures in 'Sir Thomas Holme's Book' (http://"https://www.bl.uk/catalogues/illuminatedmanuscripts/record.asp?MSID=6579&CollID=8&NStart=4205") or is there maybe even an edition of the whole thing? Some names can be read pretty easily put other are harder and without proper knowledge of the nobility of the time I think this will only lead to utter nonsense.
Same question goes for a version of the Grünenberg Armorial (http://"https://dfg-viewer.de/show?id=9&tx_dlf%5Bid%5D=http%3A%2F%2Farchivdatenbank.gsta.spk-berlin.de%2Fmidosasearch-gsta%2FMidosaSEARCH%2Fviii_ha_ii_21%2Fmets%2FVIII.%2520HA%252C%2520II%252021%2Fxml_with_content.xml%2FGStA_viii_ha_ii_21_1%2FGStA_viii_ha_ii_21_VIII_HA_II_21_1%2FVIII.%2520HA%252C%2520II%252C%252021%250A%2520%2520%2520%2520%2520%2520%2520%2520%2520%2520%2520%2520%2520%2520%2520%2520%2520%2520%2520%2520%2520&tx_dlf%5Bpage%5D=1"), while this one is not WotR specific I guess there are is some useful heraldry hidden in these.
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Graham Evans The Battle of Edgcote 1469 is an excellent read. Lots of detailed tactical information and a very thorough use of sources.