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Title: Plastic Persians - Victrix Limited
Post by: Tonhel on September 15, 2019, 03:57:49 PM
Plastic Persians:
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Also 2 sketches for the first Persian figures. The first set will comprise 3 unarmoured spearmen, 3 unarmoured archers and 2 slingers plus appropriate command figures. The next Persian infantry set will be armoured spearmen and archers.

The Persians will primarily be used as Later Achaemenid Persians that fought Alexander the Great and were led by Darius III. However, they can also be used as earlier Persians, in particular in the armoured infantry set will include appropriate shields such as Spara and some alternate heads.

Before we get a deluge of messages both the Norman and Persian ranges will include cavalry but this will take us quite a while to complete. We are also considering Persian chariots.

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Title: Re: Plastic Persians - Victrix Limited
Post by: Burnin Coal on September 15, 2019, 04:08:32 PM
For those of us without FB group updates this is excellent news...thanks for sharing this....if these are out for next year’s Salute I’m going to need a bigger bag
Title: Re: Plastic Persians - Victrix Limited
Post by: Stosstruppen on September 15, 2019, 04:28:46 PM
Definitely looking forward to these.
Title: Re: Plastic Persians - Victrix Limited
Post by: aphillathehun on September 15, 2019, 11:25:39 PM
Awesome!
Title: Re: Plastic Persians - Victrix Limited
Post by: carlos marighela on September 16, 2019, 01:03:17 AM
On the basis of their Greeks and Romans, I suspect these will become the new benchmark for Persians.
Title: Re: Plastic Persians - Victrix Limited
Post by: M.O.T.N on September 16, 2019, 06:48:53 AM
On the basis of their Greeks and Romans, I suspect these will become the new benchmark for Persians.

I second that.
Title: Re: Plastic Persians - Victrix Limited
Post by: Harry Faversham on September 16, 2019, 06:40:45 PM
>:D Well, that's just great, innit!!!???  >:D

After finishing my Hoplite marathon (marathon, geddit? ::)) the command decision was no more Empire building. Just the odd vignette, or half a dozen skirmish figures now and again was just the ticket. so...

:'( Thanks Victrix, thanks very much! :'(

:)
Title: Re: Plastic Persians - Victrix Limited
Post by: Harry Faversham on September 16, 2019, 10:33:35 PM
Wonder if there's any tutorials on how to paint 'em. I fancy having a go at flowery/stripey clobber, but...
Do you do each unit with a kind of unifying tone, or mix 'em up as a rabble?

???
Title: Re: Plastic Persians - Victrix Limited
Post by: Burnin Coal on September 16, 2019, 10:40:54 PM
@ Harry Faversham.....the very question I am already debating...overall tone would be my preferred choice but the textiles themselves are a complete unknown to me
Title: Re: Plastic Persians - Victrix Limited
Post by: Easy E on September 17, 2019, 01:29:02 PM
Yes, finally! 

I can build my favorite Greek opponents!  My Men of Bronze collection can not wait to see these guys get added!
Title: Re: Plastic Persians - Victrix Limited
Post by: Wiegraf on September 30, 2019, 01:03:51 AM
All I know is with all my Wargames Factory, Black Tree design, and soon wargames Atlantic + Victrix persians, there's going to be one hell of a diverse army running about.
Title: Re: Plastic Persians - Victrix Limited
Post by: Emir of Askaristan on September 30, 2019, 06:07:47 AM
Wonder if there's any tutorials on how to paint 'em. I fancy having a go at flowery/stripey clobber, but...
Do you do each unit with a kind of unifying tone, or mix 'em up as a rabble?

???
I kept my standard Persian levy rabble foot in fairly dull drab colours, off whites and browns. The better infantry units got some colour to them with the "guard" (immortals and satrap's household troops) wearing uniformed colours and patterns.

The Osprey Elite on the Persians suggests some bold colouring based on evidence from painted sculpture. The Montvert Publications Book on the Persians (if you can find it, if not google for its illustrations) has a less "bright" approach.

These figs might be a perfect match for block painting using Contrast paints. I can't wait to get my hands on them. I have plenty WF Persians - as later round shielded types. But I really want some sparabara and these will be perfect.
Title: Re: Plastic Persians - Victrix Limited
Post by: grant on September 30, 2019, 07:45:21 AM
Show me real minis?

Title: Re: Plastic Persians - Victrix Limited
Post by: Wiegraf on September 30, 2019, 07:30:13 PM
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Show me real minis?

They're in the design process ;) But victrix is fairly quick. I suspect they'd be released in 2020!
Title: Re: Plastic Persians - Victrix Limited
Post by: Tonhel on October 04, 2019, 05:23:10 PM
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We’re pleased to bring you some more product info regarding the upcoming release of the Persian light infantry. As you can see, the Persians shown here represent Later Achaemenid Persian troops that fought Alexander the Great and Xenephon and took part in the numerous Persian civil wars. They can also be used in Asiatic Successor armies after Alexander’s empire broke apart.

The spearmen figures can be used as skirmishers, Takabara, Kardakes or Satrapal guards with all the equipment options available in the set. The set will also include sling arms and sling ammunition bags. As shown in the sketches, this allow gives you the option of making the Persian spearman into slingers.
 
Once these are completed, we will move on to 4 archer poses and then the command figures. After that it will be armoured infantry. Keep your eyes peeled for more updates. The release date will be revealed soon.

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Title: Re: Plastic Persians - Victrix Limited
Post by: Wiegraf on October 04, 2019, 10:41:15 PM
So it seems their Persians are based off late era.

Does that mean no Sparabara? I've read accounts that by Alexander's time the Sparabara are done away with, but surely Victrix would include the iconic rectangular shields to make them to pit against their Greek lines?   I see various troop types and options with these light infantrymen, so I am wondering if they release them with armoured infantry or archers. If not, I hope they make shield packs because it would be quite strange not to have Sparabara!

Happy these guys can be turned into slingers though.  That's one thing I can't make with the war-games factory dudes!
 
Title: Re: Plastic Persians - Victrix Limited
Post by: Antonio J Carrasco on October 05, 2019, 05:38:20 AM
Good, good... Those Persian chaps look brilliant. My only issue is that their Macedonian opponents will look, if you stick to Victrix,  hieratic. A set of advancing phalangites to match those dynamic Persians would be highly appreciated, I think.

Title: Re: Plastic Persians - Victrix Limited
Post by: DonVoss on October 05, 2019, 07:36:55 AM
Wow...I like them a lot. Looking forward to get some paint on these...:)

Cheers,
Don
Title: Re: Plastic Persians - Victrix Limited
Post by: FreakyFenton on October 05, 2019, 10:26:15 AM
They look nice!  :o
Title: Re: Plastic Persians - Victrix Limited
Post by: Tonhel on October 07, 2019, 03:42:17 PM
From a comment on facebook:
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The plan is to have a mix of scale, padded and Linothorax armour. A few with some Helmet options for Hoplon and Sparabara shields. So yes you will be able to use them as Early Persian armoured infantry up to Late Achaemind Persians.

So it seems their Persians are based off late era.

Does that mean no Sparabara? I've read accounts that by Alexander's time the Sparabara are done away with, but surely Victrix would include the iconic rectangular shields to make them to pit against their Greek lines?   I see various troop types and options with these light infantrymen, so I am wondering if they release them with armoured infantry or archers. If not, I hope they make shield packs because it would be quite strange not to have Sparabara!

Happy these guys can be turned into slingers though.  That's one thing I can't make with the war-games factory dudes!
Title: Re: Plastic Persians - Victrix Limited
Post by: Burnin Coal on October 07, 2019, 04:32:14 PM
@Tonhel - thanks for clearing that up and ending speculation....that we’ll effectively be able to choose our own period is just icing on the cake...I’ve got plenty to be getting on with for now but will be gorging myself on these when they hit the shelves
Title: Re: Plastic Persians - Victrix Limited
Post by: Tonhel on November 01, 2019, 05:53:59 PM
Update:

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Title: Re: Plastic Persians - Victrix Limited
Post by: Emir of Askaristan on November 03, 2019, 11:12:07 PM
Very nice !
Title: Re: Plastic Persians - Victrix Limited
Post by: Bloggard on November 04, 2019, 02:58:40 PM
going by the 3d renders rather than the sketches ... I mean ya shouldn't complain 'cause in the bigger scheme of things they're brilliant ... but why do so many modern sculpts have relatively large heads, and short legs ... ?
Is there a technical reason in terms of real-world casting / moulding etc and the practicalities of those processes using current mainstream equipment?

I know we're all diff. shapes and sizes (and I'm certainly a diff. shape to what I used to be), but it feels like I'm often seeing what strike me as rather squat figs ...
Title: Re: Plastic Persians - Victrix Limited
Post by: WuZhuiQiu on November 04, 2019, 05:04:41 PM
How much work might it be to convert them into Bactrians or Kushans, I wonder?
Title: Re: Plastic Persians - Victrix Limited
Post by: Easy E on November 05, 2019, 03:17:01 PM
I am chomping at the bit for these.  However, we need some cavalry too! 
Title: Re: Plastic Persians - Victrix Limited
Post by: AdamPHayes on November 08, 2019, 09:12:08 AM
How much work might it be to convert them into Bactrians or Kushans, I wonder?

I had a crack using the Wargames Factory Persians with mixed results...

(https://wargamewarrior.webs.com/Blog%20pictures/bactshoot.JPG)

some blog posts (https://wargamewarrior.webs.com/apps/blog/show/39673678-bactrian-greek-project-part-3-some-cavalry-figures)
Title: Re: Plastic Persians - Victrix Limited
Post by: Tonhel on November 20, 2019, 08:23:48 PM
Update:

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Title: Re: Plastic Persians - Victrix Limited
Post by: armchairgeneral on November 20, 2019, 10:43:49 PM
Very nice indeed  :-*
Title: Re: Plastic Persians - Victrix Limited
Post by: Burnin Coal on November 20, 2019, 11:16:39 PM
Am thoroughly enjoying watching these come along...and with every update they're looking better and better
Title: Re: Plastic Persians - Victrix Limited
Post by: delbruck on November 21, 2019, 12:41:56 PM
Nice Persian archers. I would note that if these are early Persians loosing their arrows, then the front rank defenders carrying the spara should also have a fairly static pose - with shields presenting something of a wall.
Title: Re: Plastic Persians - Victrix Limited
Post by: Tonhel on November 30, 2019, 06:56:27 PM
Beautiful!

(https://scontent-bru2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/78405105_1711423985660155_385548214750674944_o.jpg?_nc_cat=109&_nc_ohc=n2hvTrdGhWsAQnhzultjbvPOkeXSiGDlrjDNIm1OLiToGhRhY1Z9yrgnw&_nc_ht=scontent-bru2-1.xx&oh=cb42d3f3224cb188d82229ba9e1058ce&oe=5E41C7B2)
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Title: Re: Plastic Persians - Victrix Limited
Post by: fastolfrus on November 30, 2019, 08:17:42 PM
Could be very tempted just for Jason & the Argonauts, or even Sandgrave
Title: Re: Plastic Persians - Victrix Limited
Post by: Tonhel on December 03, 2019, 03:47:01 PM
Update:

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Also attached is a sketch for the first Persian officer figure. He is in a standing pose, as are the first Persian standard bearer and Musician. The next 3 command figures will be in more active poses. This is so we can have appropriate command for the more static archers and the more active spearmen. The officer is wearing a coat called a Kandis over his shoulders. Often worn much like a cloak. He will also have a couple of head options, one of which will be an ornate Attic helmet as officers and Nobles would often wear Helmets as well as the traditional Persian cap.

More updates to follow.

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Title: Re: Plastic Persians - Victrix Limited
Post by: Burnin Coal on December 03, 2019, 08:41:31 PM
 :-* very much appreciating the updates on these...every update fires up the imaginary paintbrushes
Title: Re: Plastic Persians - Victrix Limited
Post by: M.O.T.N on December 03, 2019, 09:37:35 PM
Me too, can't wait to get some of these.
Title: Re: Plastic Persians - Victrix Limited
Post by: Easy E on December 05, 2019, 09:43:43 PM
Needs optional Sparabara shields!
Title: Re: Plastic Persians - Victrix Limited
Post by: Pzkpfw_Steve on December 06, 2019, 05:07:56 AM
Needs optional Sparabara shields!

I was thinking the exact same thing !!
Title: Re: Plastic Persians - Victrix Limited
Post by: Munindk on December 06, 2019, 07:24:59 AM
In post #1 in this thread, Victrix mentions that they are doing Spara shields, is that the same thing?
Title: Re: Plastic Persians - Victrix Limited
Post by: Tonhel on December 06, 2019, 03:42:01 PM
Looking good!

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Title: Re: Plastic Persians - Victrix Limited
Post by: Easy E on December 06, 2019, 04:19:24 PM
In post #1 in this thread, Victrix mentions that they are doing Spara shields, is that the same thing?

Until there are pictures..... it hasn't happened....
Title: Re: Plastic Persians - Victrix Limited
Post by: Munindk on December 07, 2019, 05:52:19 AM
Rereading the first post the spara are supposed to be in the armoured infantry set, so it'll be a while before we see them.

I will say that victrix sprues tend to be generous with extra bits though :)
Title: Re: Plastic Persians - Victrix Limited
Post by: nervisfr on December 07, 2019, 02:47:54 PM
May be with a good mix with the nearly coming Persian from Wargames Atlantic   ;)

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0078/4764/1186/files/Persian_Frame_large.jpg?v=1575579565)



some info here (https://wargamesatlantic.com/blogs/news/persians-plastic-frame)

Cheers
Eric
Title: Re: Plastic Persians - Victrix Limited
Post by: Harry Faversham on December 08, 2019, 05:06:38 AM
My Hoplites, with Spartan contingent doing their hair in the front rank, are getting impatient to put both Atlantic and Victrix's scruffy looking shower to the sword!

:o
Title: Re: Plastic Persians - Victrix Limited
Post by: Tonhel on December 17, 2019, 09:41:01 PM
 :-* :-* :-*

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PRODUCT UPDATE: PERSIAN RENDERS

Here are some renders of the first Persian officer/standard bearer. He wears a scale cuirass and the Kandys cloak/coat over his shoulders. There are two head options, one wearing the traditional hood and the other a Greek style Attic helmet. He also has a choice of hand weapons and shield options.

He looks really nice and bodes well for when we get on to the other armoured infantry and cavalry.

(https://scontent-bru2-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/78062666_1731946616941225_3745245240554946560_o.jpg?_nc_cat=107&_nc_oc=AQnv-_IgTtGiFw87NCMN3sZ0qoFOnU4hWGWG9uNiw0O6A4OEmgR9MqcxXIr3VXrE1fYwPGsptFuI6Sm9EuYJfWyK&_nc_ht=scontent-bru2-1.xx&oh=cc4232dcd2d9fee5d620d8a42cd9d8bc&oe=5EAEB055)
Title: Re: Plastic Persians - Victrix Limited
Post by: Burnin Coal on December 17, 2019, 09:50:36 PM
 :-* :-* :-*
Am so hoping these will be ready by the time Salute comes around...have got a few weeks off now and will be trying to build my Spartans...early part of next year all effort will go into clearing the decks to make way for these...really can't wait !
Title: Re: Plastic Persians - Victrix Limited
Post by: Tonhel on January 10, 2020, 06:36:48 PM
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PRODUCT UPDATE: PERSIANS

Here are renders for the first Persian standard bearer which can also be used as an armoured spearman. Very suitable for early Persian infantry or later Satrapal guard or Apple bearer.

The sketch is for a more active armoured musician figure for the command frame. There will be 3 active and 3 more static poses for the command so they work with both the more aggressive and active spearmen and the more static archers.

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Title: Re: Plastic Persians - Victrix Limited
Post by: Burnin Coal on January 10, 2020, 08:50:14 PM
 :-* :-*....have gone beyond impatience for these and moved on to loving watching their development unfold by instalment...this latest episode is just “wow!”
Title: Re: Plastic Persians - Victrix Limited
Post by: wmyers on January 15, 2020, 08:31:47 AM
We will have to see how these match up with the Wargames Atlantic Persians that will be out right away.

The extra heads from the WA and this Victrix one may breathe new life into the Wargames Factory plastic Persians, too.
Title: Re: Plastic Persians - Victrix Limited
Post by: Tonhel on January 26, 2020, 04:08:29 PM
Magnificent!

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PRODUCT UPDATE: PERSIANS

This is the second Persian officer in a more dynamic action pose. He has the option of Persian hood or Helmet and choice of weapon arm or standard bearer arm.

As well as leading Persian infantry he would not look out of place leading Pontic troops under Mithradates.

One more figure to go before we start working on the Armoured Persians

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Title: Re: Plastic Persians - Victrix Limited
Post by: Bodvoc on January 27, 2020, 10:48:35 AM
They do look very tempting.
Title: Re: Plastic Persians - Victrix Limited
Post by: Tonhel on January 29, 2020, 06:27:47 PM
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Due to be released in Summer 2020

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Title: Re: Plastic Persians - Victrix Limited
Post by: Burnin Coal on January 29, 2020, 06:32:49 PM
 :-* :-* :-* :-*.....that’s the paint table sorted from summer onwards then
Title: Re: Plastic Persians - Victrix Limited
Post by: Easy E on January 30, 2020, 06:07:50 PM
Dang......... must buy for me....
Title: Re: Plastic Persians - Victrix Limited
Post by: wmyers on February 01, 2020, 02:27:10 AM
I think this is a win-win for Victrix.

Not only will people buy the Persians but I think sales of their Greeks will also increase.
Title: Re: Plastic Persians - Victrix Limited
Post by: Tonhel on February 04, 2020, 08:47:48 PM
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PRODUCT UPDATE: PERSIAN RENDERS

You will also notice the Persian Standard Bearer which is the final figure for the command frame

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Title: Re: Plastic Persians - Victrix Limited
Post by: M.O.T.N on February 11, 2020, 01:53:04 PM
Very nice, at least 1 set is a must buy for me.
Title: Re: Plastic Persians - Victrix Limited
Post by: Tonhel on February 11, 2020, 07:00:02 PM
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Here are the first two renders of the armoured Persians. One in scale armour and one in Greek style Linothorax armour.

These are suitable for both early and late Achaemenid Persians from the invasions of Greece by Darius I and Xerxes to the fall of Darius III.

Up next are another two archers, a Spearman and a Spara.

We should be starting on the first of a few Persian cavalry sets in March.
  :-*


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Title: Re: Plastic Persians - Victrix Limited
Post by: delbruck on February 11, 2020, 10:16:37 PM
Really nice, but I am disappointed the archer in scale armor is kneeling. Although it is possible skirmishing archers may have knelt, it seems unlikely that archers in (the rear ranks) of a mixed heavy infantry unit would have knelt.
Title: Re: Plastic Persians - Victrix Limited
Post by: Harry Faversham on February 18, 2020, 02:49:06 AM
I'm kind of wondering how to organised the units, not knowing anything about the Persian army. Would you have mixed inits with spearmen, archers and those hammer wielding blokes?
I'm guessing you'd have to have designated archer/slinger units with all the figures kind of doing the same thing?

::)  ???  ::)
Title: Re: Plastic Persians - Victrix Limited
Post by: Grumpy Gnome on February 18, 2020, 06:17:00 AM
Following this development with great interest. So much potential!
Title: Re: Plastic Persians - Victrix Limited
Post by: Emir of Askaristan on February 18, 2020, 07:34:50 AM
There is an illustration somewhere, I think Peter Connolly - Greece and Rome at War possibly an Osprey on the Persians which shows a file of Persian archers with a sparabara at the front and a leader at the rear of the file.

The former has the large reed "pavis" spara, spear and hand weapon.
Archers with bow, bowcase and hand weapon, possibly also a pelta or small round shield.
Leader with bow (in case), spear and if memory serves correctly a whip!

Ignoring the latter, I'd base these guys up in mixed units spear to the front and bows at the rear. I'd have the leader off set to the back left or right (especially for unit bases like Impetus). If you're worried that later Persian units weren't sparabara type formations with hoplite type spears replacing the spara then it would be two ranks of those per base and a separate base of archers. Having units of just archers would be useful for sets with big units too.

If you want them meleeing  then a mix of swords, axes, spears etc all together wouldn't be uncorrect. It's down to your preference and choice of rules at the end of the day.
Title: Re: Plastic Persians - Victrix Limited
Post by: Atheling on February 18, 2020, 08:21:23 AM
One feel compelled to say, at last a Persian range full of animation and dynamism.

 :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: Plastic Persians - Victrix Limited
Post by: wmyers on February 18, 2020, 09:22:15 PM
There is a Peter Connolly illustration that may have been an inspiration for the kneeling archer:

https://www.akg-images.co.uk/archive/-2UMDHUVYK7JZ.html (https://www.akg-images.co.uk/archive/-2UMDHUVYK7JZ.html)
Title: Re: Plastic Persians - Victrix Limited
Post by: Easy E on February 19, 2020, 05:12:37 PM
There is an illustration somewhere, I think Peter Connolly - Greece and Rome at War possibly an Osprey on the Persians which shows a file of Persian archers with a sparabara at the front and a leader at the rear of the file.

The former has the large reed "pavis" spara, spear and hand weapon.
Archers with bow, bowcase and hand weapon, possibly also a pelta or small round shield.
Leader with bow (in case), spear and if memory serves correctly a whip!

Ignoring the latter, I'd base these guys up in mixed units spear to the front and bows at the rear. I'd have the leader off set to the back left or right (especially for unit bases like Impetus). If you're worried that later Persian units weren't sparabara type formations with hoplite type spears replacing the spara then it would be two ranks of those per base and a separate base of archers. Having units of just archers would be useful for sets with big units too.

If you want them meleeing  then a mix of swords, axes, spears etc all together wouldn't be uncorrect. It's down to your preference and choice of rules at the end of the day.

That was my understanding of how a Persian archer unit worked as well.  They were mixed units with the spearmen and a large shield up front, backed by several archers.  For some reason a Spara armed trooper in front of a file of 9 archers comes to mind, but I would need to go back and find my source.... John Warry and Warfare in the Ancient World maybe?

I think this kit could easily create that look. 
Title: Re: Plastic Persians - Victrix Limited
Post by: Atheling on February 19, 2020, 07:39:26 PM
That was my understanding of how a Persian archer unit worked as well.  They were mixed units with the spearmen and a large shield up front, backed by several archers.  For some reason a Spara armed trooper in front of a file of 9 archers comes to mind, but I would need to go back and find my source.... John Warry and Warfare in the Ancient World maybe?

I think this kit could easily create that look.

I'm not sure how one rank of spear, spara or not would be in terms of staying power. If they had a degree of practice in using spears then surely they would have a few ranks so the spear would be a deterrent?

It's not my 'period' but one rank doesn't seem right as opposed to one rank of mini's which could represent a few at a pinch.

What do you think?
Title: Re: Plastic Persians - Victrix Limited
Post by: Jjonas on February 19, 2020, 07:55:20 PM
The sparabara shield bearer basically manned the barricade, while the archers in back shot overhead. The Persians would rush out in groups to fight offensively from behind the large shield barrier. The large wicker (pavisse like) barricade was more a protection from missiles than as a barricade to heavy infantry. The Persians mostly fought by missile fire, and combined arms harassment by cavalry, so these blocks of archers covered by a thin line of fighters worked for them against eastern enemies and horse archers, and even Ionian Greeks. The tactics failed against Greek hoplites determined to charge through the bowfire and knock over the shield wall. The unarmored archers were easily scattered once their file leaders were eliminated.
The Persians seemed to give up on this tactic, but we don't know much detail about the last armies if they still used the spara barriers- some say why not!
Title: Re: Plastic Persians - Victrix Limited
Post by: Atheling on February 19, 2020, 08:57:11 PM
The large wicker (pavisee) barricade was more a protection from missiles than as a barricade to heavy infantry.

Ah, I was referring to the one line of spearmen as opposed to the sparabara.

I cannot see one rank of spearmen deterring anything that came at them on two legs, or worse four. This is just not how spearmen fight defensively IMHO. You need ranks or you may as well just get stuck in with your sword.
Title: Re: Plastic Persians - Victrix Limited
Post by: fastolfrus on February 19, 2020, 09:10:18 PM
Maybe a single line of spearmen holding pavises was a psychological barrier for the archers standing behind them rather than a physical deterrent for the enemy?
Title: Re: Plastic Persians - Victrix Limited
Post by: Atheling on February 19, 2020, 09:54:36 PM
Maybe a single line of spearmen holding pavises was a psychological barrier for the archers standing behind them rather than a physical deterrent for the enemy?

Possible. But only for inexperienced troops, which granted, they may well have been.
Title: Re: Plastic Persians - Victrix Limited
Post by: Jjonas on February 21, 2020, 07:24:58 AM
Up to nine archers formed up behind the sparabara shield bearer. This image is from the Achaemenid Persian Army by Duncan Head:



Title: Re: Plastic Persians - Victrix Limited
Post by: Jjonas on February 21, 2020, 07:34:02 AM
This art by Giuseppe Rava gives a fleshed out view of the sparabara and the archers behind:

Title: Re: Plastic Persians - Victrix Limited
Post by: Harry Faversham on February 21, 2020, 09:11:42 AM
Plenty to think about there as regards the 'look' of the thing.

 :)
Title: Re: Plastic Persians - Victrix Limited
Post by: Emir of Askaristan on February 21, 2020, 11:11:17 AM
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Up to nine archers formed up behind the sparabara shield bearer. This image is from the Achaemenid Persian Army by Duncan Head:
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That's the one. Excellent book if you can get your mitts on it Harry.
Title: Re: Plastic Persians - Victrix Limited
Post by: Easy E on February 21, 2020, 02:49:20 PM
Ah, I was referring to the one line of spearmen as opposed to the sparabara.

I cannot see one rank of spearmen deterring anything that came at them on two legs, or worse four. This is just not how spearmen fight defensively IMHO. You need ranks or you may as well just get stuck in with your sword.

Most of the enemies of the Persians up to this point tend to fight in an Ancient Eastern tradition.  That meant, the decisive arm of combat was missile weaponry followed by mobile cavalry/chariot operations.  Therefore, the key to victory was massed firepower, and defense against such missile fire.  Shock combat such as the Greeks used was not the dominant type of fighting style the Persian army had to face, so in those situations where you could out firepower the enemy, the single Sparabara/spearman was enough.  The enemy wasn't really trying to come to grips with you the way the Greek fighting style did.

At least, that has been my reading on the subject.       
Title: Re: Plastic Persians - Victrix Limited
Post by: Tonhel on March 13, 2020, 11:22:04 AM
I am really looking forward to it!

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Here we have some images of the beginnings of the unarmoured Persian cavalry set. This is the first figure of 4 body and horse variants with lots of head and arm options.



The figure can represent Persian cavalry from the early to the late Achaemenid empire. The inclusion of the bow case makes these early Achaemenid cavalry as they were armed with javelins, hand weapons and bow. The later Persian cavalry were armed with javelins and hand weapons. The Early Persians would spend time peppering the enemy at distance with archery fire and close with them once they were weakened. The later Persian cavalry would charge and hurl their javelins and then close with hand weapons such as swords and hand axes.



Numerous head options are being included to represent native Persian but also to portray the various nationalities and colonist cavalry that made up the vast Persian army.



Heavy cavalry will follow this set and we will be doing horse archers and half armoured cavalry.
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Title: Re: Plastic Persians - Victrix Limited
Post by: armchairgeneral on March 13, 2020, 12:12:58 PM
These look great  :-* They may actually push me into finally doing plastics!  :o
Title: Re: Plastic Persians - Victrix Limited
Post by: Grumpy Gnome on March 13, 2020, 08:35:27 PM
Lovin‘em! Looking forward to these.
Title: Re: Plastic Persians - Victrix Limited
Post by: Easy E on March 13, 2020, 08:54:44 PM
YES!
Title: Re: Plastic Persians - Victrix Limited
Post by: Burnin Coal on March 13, 2020, 09:08:48 PM
 :-*  looks like I’m gonna need a bigger cupboard
Title: Re: Plastic Persians - Victrix Limited
Post by: duc de limbourg on March 16, 2020, 06:47:59 PM
one remark, don't the persian cavalry use reins?
Title: Re: Plastic Persians - Victrix Limited
Post by: WuZhuiQiu on March 17, 2020, 12:07:31 AM
They would seem to have some conversion potential as Scythians, too.
Title: Re: Plastic Persians - Victrix Limited
Post by: Tonhel on March 29, 2020, 08:27:12 AM
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 :-*
Title: Re: Plastic Persians - Victrix Limited
Post by: Hu Rhu on March 29, 2020, 09:24:20 AM
They look very nice but I can't afford to get sucked into another period......can I?   ??? ::)
Title: Re: Plastic Persians - Victrix Limited
Post by: Easy E on March 30, 2020, 04:53:59 PM
There's always room for one more!
Title: Re: Plastic Persians - Victrix Limited
Post by: Burnin Coal on March 30, 2020, 05:51:06 PM
There's always room for one more!

 lol lol  ...it’s like “where will I put them ?”.....a question to be answered later...the answer in the first instance is always “yes”  lol
Title: Re: Plastic Persians - Victrix Limited
Post by: Tonhel on April 01, 2020, 01:58:12 PM
Absolutly wonderful! :-* They will now start working on heavy cavalry!

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PRODUCT UPDATE: PERSIAN CAVALRY RENDERS

Here we have the final Persian un-armoured cavalry figure. This figure has the additional option of a cloak to make him into an officer figure.

All riders fit all horses and many of the arms are interchangeable between all figures.

This makes for a very dynamic set of Persian cavalry, covering troops from the early Achaemenid empire of the 5th Century to later Achaemenid cavalry that fought the civil wars and Alexander. They could easily be used in Alexandrian Successor armies and the forces of Pontus.

We will be starting sculpting the Persian heavy cavalry next. These will have a mixture of scale, Linothorax and quilted armour. Extra heavy cavalry with horse armour will be a separate set.

There might be a bit of a delay getting these tooled due to the World Health crisis, lots of companies have shut down for a period of time and that includes the people that do our tooling.

This will cause a backlog for tooling and production. We will keep our sculptors busy with new projects so that when things start to get back to normal there will be a glut of new sets to look forward to.

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