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Miniatures Adventure => Medieval Adventures => Topic started by: Atheling on October 14, 2019, 11:06:19 AM
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Does anyone have any idea where I can buy the Zvezda 1/72 English Medieval Ship Thomas Model Kit from? Preferably in the UK or the Europe but anywhere else will do if need be.
I've been in touch with a number of model suppliers including Zwezda themselves but haven't heard anything back from them so I thought it prudent to ask here too.
Perhaps there are some other 1/72 (or dare I say 1/56??) models of an English Cog out there that I am missing?
I'm planning on something along the lines of Sluys.
If anyone can help I'd be very grateful.
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It's a real shame they're so difficult to find, seeing as they're great models that clearly there's still demand for in the medieval wargaming community!
So far I've only been able to find them on Ebay (usually from Russia, if that helps?) going for around £30-£60 in most cases. If it helps the "Crusader Cog" and "Hansa Kogge" are functionally identical from what I've heard, but with different accessories!
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Pretty sure they are the same model yes. The Thomas has a much larger crow's nest, which I ended up not using on mine.
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It's a real shame they're so difficult to find, seeing as they're great models that clearly there's still demand for in the medieval wargaming community!
Yeah, I need eight or nine of them too!
So far I've only been able to find them on Ebay (usually from Russia, if that helps?) going for around £30-£60 in most cases. If it helps the "Crusader Cog" and "Hansa Kogge" are functionally identical from what I've heard, but with different accessories!
Thanks HappyChappy. I wasn't aware that there were any alternatives to this is great news. 8)
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Darrell
Best to keep searching eBay - picked mine up from there over last few years.
Simon.
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I will try this week to check out the store in St. Petersburg. I’ll inform you about the result.
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Darrell
Best to keep searching eBay - picked mine up from there over last few years.
Simon.
Yeah, I've been doing just that Simon but they're getting expensive now that they have been taken off the market.
I'm very tempted to start buying but I don't want to end up with only half the number after spending several hundred quid :'(
As it stands it's a gamble. But if it was pulled off something like a mini Sluys could be played :-*
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What about the Keranova Cog?
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What about the Keranova Cog?
I'm lost mate. Could you elaborate please?
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Hard card boats, Google it, thank me later😀
I was looking for Zvezda ships as well, then came across Keranova, I was looking for 'Conquistador' boats though. I've heard nothing but good things about them, there is a blog all about rigging them up (of course I can't find the link now).
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71vItPwVxXL._SL1138_.jpg)
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Here you go
https://hobbyterra.com/product/-tomas-english-medieval-ship-zvezda-9038.html
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Hard card boats, Google it, thank me later😀
I was looking for Zvezda ships as well, then came across Keranova, I was looking for 'Conquistador' boats though. I've heard nothing but good things about them, there is a blog all about rigging them up (of course I can't find the link now).
(https://images-na.ssl-images-amazon.com/images/I/71vItPwVxXL._SL1138_.jpg)
I'm thanking you now! With the caveat that the gaps on the corners etc would be quite difficult to fill. i also think that they lack the solidness (possibly not robustness) that plastic has and it would be easier to convert the towers into cogs fitted out for war with plasticard etc
Here you go
https://hobbyterra.com/product/-tomas-english-medieval-ship-zvezda-9038.html
Thanks. I'll try contacting them first I think. I know I am probably being too wary ::)
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The card boat shown is by the Russian company Umbum (translates from Creative Paper).
Their website is: cleverpaper.org
https://cleverpaper.org/product/268-%D1%81%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%BD%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%B5%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%8B%D0%B9-%D0%B3%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B4-%D0%B3%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B7%D0%B5%D0%B9%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9-%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%B3/
(https://cleverpaper.org/product/268-%D1%81%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%BD%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%B5%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%8B%D0%B9-%D0%B3%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B4-%D0%B3%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B7%D0%B5%D0%B9%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9-%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%B3/)
I have ordered from them and they ship very quickly and their stuff is very good quality. I have some of their Wild West buildings (28mm), Medieval (28mm) and HO buildings (1/87). They are fully coloured inside and out. The buildings are designed to open to allow access within. They are very sturdy, lightweight and do disassemble.
I am not sure of the scale of this boat. I would just email them and ask.
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The card boat shown is by the Russian company Umbum (translates from Creative Paper).
Their website is: cleverpaper.org
https://cleverpaper.org/product/268-%D1%81%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%BD%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%B5%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%8B%D0%B9-%D0%B3%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B4-%D0%B3%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B7%D0%B5%D0%B9%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9-%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%B3/
(https://cleverpaper.org/product/268-%D1%81%D1%80%D0%B5%D0%B4%D0%BD%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%B5%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%8B%D0%B9-%D0%B3%D0%BE%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B4-%D0%B3%D0%B0%D0%BD%D0%B7%D0%B5%D0%B9%D1%81%D0%BA%D0%B8%D0%B9-%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%B3%D0%B3/)
I have ordered from them and they ship very quickly and their stuff is very good quality. I have some of their Wild West buildings (28mm), Medieval (28mm) and HO buildings (1/87). They are fully coloured inside and out. The buildings are designed to open to allow access within. They are very sturdy, lightweight and do disassemble.
I am not sure of the scale of this boat. I would just email them and ask.
I don't really want to use the card boats as they have sketchy looking corners on the models and they might well be not so robust for when it comes to transportation.
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In our city, in two stores, there were three "Thomas". It is interesting?
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In our city, in two stores, there were three "Thomas". It is interesting?
The problem I have is that I need at least 8 ships and I don't want to end up with just a few.
Let me consider it please. In the meantime can you let me know where are you based please Leon?
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I am from Saint Petersburg.
I think that I can order in the store the required number of models. (???)
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I am from Saint Petersburg.
I think that I can order in the store the required number of models. (???)
I don't think so as Zwezda have discontinued the line :(
Thanks for the offer though- much appreciated.
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I'm not sure why you need so many. You may want to just make a waterline hull and stick in a piece of doweling for the mast.
You could then just keep making as many hulls as you want or make your own mould and cast it (ie dental plaster) or buy the Thomas ships you can and then get the rest in the other versions of the cog.
Sounds like you want more of a display piece?
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I'm not sure why you need so many
Part of the battle of Sluys, a battle fought at sea prior to Crecy and almost certainly equally as important to the English at the time as the defeat of the French nobility at Crecy.
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Are these any good?
http://www.laserdreamworks.com/28mm-medieval-cog/
https://tregames.com/products/28mm-medieval-cog
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Part of the battle of Sluys, a battle fought at sea prior to Crecy and almost certainly equally as important to the English at the time as the defeat of the French nobility at Crecy.
Long, long ago I had the same idea and ended up with 6 Zvezda ships for a 4 x 6 gaming table, because I want to include some coastal terrain and flotillas of small rowing boats to transfer reinforcements from ship to ship the table was really crowded. The "Thomas" kit is the same as the medieval cog, only difference is the crow nest. Here wooden ship model market offer crow nests for for example Santa Maria 1:50.
To offer an other idea, google sketchup warehouse offers a medieval cog https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/model/532d9d862025a78127bcf85d432352ff/Kogge (https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/model/532d9d862025a78127bcf85d432352ff/Kogge)
This is a very well made model and more or less printable because it can be easily split into parts. Only one problem stopped me. After waterlining and cutting the hull into printable sizes there were some minor errors in the hull that must be repaired with a 3d program. I failed to master Blender, but last week I noticed that blender updated to version 2.8. The newest version should be much more easier to understand (says Blender).
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Long, long ago I had the same idea and ended up with 6 Zvezda ships for a 4 x 6 gaming table, because I want to include some coastal terrain and flotillas of small rowing boats to transfer reinforcements from ship to ship the table was really crowded. The "Thomas" kit is the same as the medieval cog, only difference is the crow nest. Here wooden ship model market offer crow nests for for example Santa Maria 1:50.
To offer an other idea, google sketchup warehouse offers a medieval cog https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/model/532d9d862025a78127bcf85d432352ff/Kogge (https://3dwarehouse.sketchup.com/model/532d9d862025a78127bcf85d432352ff/Kogge)
This is a very well made model and more or less printable because it can be easily split into parts. Only one problem stopped me. After waterlining and cutting the hull into printable sizes there were some minor errors in the hull that must be repaired with a 3d program. I failed to master Blender, but last week I noticed that blender updated to version 2.8. The newest version should be much more easier to understand (says Blender).
Thanks for the suggestion but 3D printing is really beyond my capabilities (sadly), My head starts spinning at the thought of it o_o :(
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Because of the scale of the Zvezda model, I am going to guess you are gaming this in 1/72? (20mm)
Here is a thread that tells a bit more about them. The links to the sprues do not work, though, after all these years:
http://cs.finescale.com/fsm/modeling_subjects/f/7/t/74928.aspx (http://cs.finescale.com/fsm/modeling_subjects/f/7/t/74928.aspx)
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Because of the scale of the Zvezda model, I am going to guess you are gaming this in 1/72? (20mm)
Here is a thread that tells a bit more about them. The links to the sprues do not work, though, after all these years:
http://cs.finescale.com/fsm/modeling_subjects/f/7/t/74928.aspx (http://cs.finescale.com/fsm/modeling_subjects/f/7/t/74928.aspx)
No, it will be 28mm. The ships will be converted.
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hi i am in the process of thining out my collection, i have 5 of these ships - mix of all 3 varients that were released, i also have 4 resin ships, i am based in northern england, if your interested
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hi i am in the process of thining out my collection, i have 5 of these ships - mix of all 3 varients that were released, i also have 4 resin ships, i am based in northern england, if your interested
i'm in sunny Durham. Where are you mate?
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i am in Gods own county of Yorkshire ;D, you can pm me if you wish to discuss