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Title: RCW from the bottom of the world. Updated 9/01/2020
Post by: Kiwitoddy on October 27, 2019, 09:31:48 PM
the RCW has been something I've wanted to wargame for a while so without further ado here are some Bolsheviks that I've painted up. I've even tried the arm badges which I'm somewhat happy with.
Title: Re: RCW from the bottom of the world
Post by: DonVoss on October 27, 2019, 09:38:50 PM
Great start...let the revolution begin....;)

DV
Title: Re: RCW from the bottom of the world
Post by: cuprum on October 27, 2019, 11:45:21 PM
Very well! Arm badges are often neglected, but in vain.
Title: Re: RCW from the bottom of the world
Post by: Kiwitoddy on October 28, 2019, 12:21:21 AM
in vain? have I made a mistake with the ranks? If so any CC is more than appreciated.

I was trying for a Section Commander and a Deputy Platoon Commander.
Title: Re: RCW from the bottom of the world
Post by: cuprum on October 28, 2019, 01:52:07 AM
You are all excellent. Apparently I didn’t put it quite clearly  ::)
Title: Re: RCW from the bottom of the world
Post by: Kiwitoddy on October 28, 2019, 02:19:46 AM
All good mate thanks for the kind words.  Working on some more Chekists will post them when finished.

I'll get some Whites at some point, debating whether to go with the North-Western Army and incorporate some of Tsuba's Freikorp as the Baltic Landeswehr or go with the Volunteer Army and a bunch of Don cossacks.

A White standard bearer. I made the shoulder board out of plasticard.
Title: Re: RCW from the bottom of the world
Post by: Mike Blake on October 28, 2019, 01:53:35 PM
Geat stuff
Title: Re: RCW from the bottom of the world
Post by: marianas_gamer on October 28, 2019, 08:03:03 PM
Nice job!  :-* :-* Looking forward to more Revolutionary goodness!
LB
Title: Re: RCW from the bottom of the world
Post by: Mark Plant on October 29, 2019, 09:34:00 PM
I'll get some Whites at some point, debating whether to go with the North-Western Army and incorporate some of Tsuba's Freikorp as the Baltic Landeswehr or go with the Volunteer Army and a bunch of Don cossacks.

Point of Order -- the Don Cossacks weren't (generally) in the Volunteer Army. (I think you mean the Armed Forces of South Russia, or the later Russian Army). The vast bulk of Don units fought in their own army.

More importantly, since Don Cossacks don't look very different to ordinary Volunteer Army cavalry, I would suggest you go for Kuban or Terek Cossacks. They look quite different and also fought alongside Volunteer units much more often.
Title: Re: RCW from the bottom of the world
Post by: Kiwitoddy on October 30, 2019, 05:18:22 AM
My mistake, I think I must meant to say the AFSR ( doh). I'm aware of the Don Army and wouldn't mind making a few units for it( I've actually just designed a flag for it).

yes the Kuban and Terek Cossacks are striking and I'd love to get some.
Title: Re: RCW from the bottom of the world
Post by: Kiwitoddy on October 30, 2019, 06:05:36 AM
I say designed more made it via Microsoft Paint and then painted over it, but it gets the job done.

some flags for the Don Army, the Baltic Landeswehr and the West Russian Volunteer Army.
Title: Re: RCW from the bottom of the world. Updated 6/11/2019
Post by: Kiwitoddy on November 06, 2019, 07:10:42 AM
Some Chekists. Better photos incoming
Title: Re: RCW from the bottom of the world. Now with added flags
Post by: cuprum on November 06, 2019, 07:13:46 AM
Why such an abundance of black?
Title: Re: RCW from the bottom of the world. Updated 6/11/2019
Post by: Kiwitoddy on November 06, 2019, 07:18:11 AM
I  saw some painted in black at Steve Dean painting and thought they looked rather stylish...although I do imagine they're not particularly accurate.
Title: Re: RCW from the bottom of the world. Updated 6/11/2019
Post by: cuprum on November 06, 2019, 07:27:54 AM
In reality, the troops of the Cheka did not differ in appearance from the rest of the Red Army.
The Red Army sometimes used black leather uniforms, but this had no connection with the type of troops. However, it was most often used in armored units - armored car detachments, crews armored train teams.
I have never seen black greatcoats, except for sailors.
I have never seen black shirt of the 1919 model (with colored stripes on the chest).
Title: Re: RCW from the bottom of the world. Updated 6/11/2019
Post by: Kiwitoddy on November 06, 2019, 07:35:11 AM
excellent, thank you.

I have to admit I wasn't 100% on the Lewis  gunners shirt but that confirms it...looks like someone might get a  repainting.
Title: Re: RCW from the bottom of the world. Updated 6/11/2019
Post by: cuprum on November 06, 2019, 07:39:49 AM
Oh, these are just figures for the game)))
Just I just clarify this point.

If you have questions about how to reliably paint the figures - I am always ready to help.
Title: Re: RCW from the bottom of the world. Updated 6/11/2019
Post by: Kiwitoddy on November 06, 2019, 07:48:51 AM
 Well I'm curious about the Don Army and other White movements in Southern Russia so any additional  information about them would be greatly appreciated.

After I've finished the Bolsheviks I'll move on to some Whites.

 
Title: Re: RCW from the bottom of the world. Updated 6/11/2019
Post by: cuprum on November 06, 2019, 07:54:59 AM
Now, unfortunately, my forum is not available. I recommend to see the site of our colleague Mark Plant:

http://www.pygmywars.com/barendspages/steppehosts/donnotes/donnotes.html
Title: Re: RCW from the bottom of the world. Updated 6/11/2019
Post by: Kiwitoddy on November 06, 2019, 08:01:21 AM
Oh yes the Pygmy Wars site is marvellous and so is the Siberia Miniatures forum and I look forward to its return
Title: Re: RCW from the bottom of the world. Updated 6/11/2019
Post by: Kiwitoddy on November 08, 2019, 09:10:44 AM
Some Red Army men in Great coats, an officer and a rather disgruntled looking Bolshevik
Title: Re: RCW from the bottom of the world. Updated 8/11/2019
Post by: Ignatieff on November 17, 2019, 08:16:58 PM
Excellent work!
Title: Re: RCW from the bottom of the world. Updated 8/11/2019
Post by: Kiwitoddy on November 20, 2019, 05:58:24 AM
I have a question about Officer Regiments, what sort of shoulderboards did they use? would they have kept their previous shoulderboards with their old rank insignia? or were new ones issued?

I wonder if i'm taking the term 'Officer Regiment' a little too literally.
Title: Re: RCW from the bottom of the world. Updated 8/11/2019
Post by: cuprum on November 20, 2019, 06:58:49 AM
Officers and cadets made up the majority in such regiments at the very beginning of the Civil War. As events developed and armies grew, officers died, transferred to officer posts in other military units, regiments were diluted with conscripts and captured Red Army soldiers. The percentage of officers serving as ordinary soldiers was rapidly declining. Moreover, officers who served as ordinary soldiers always stood out in separate units — officer battalions and companies. These were truly elite shock units of the highest level - a significant number of officers in them had great combat experience and were extremely motivated.

Elite regiments, naturally, sought to indicate their status with external differences. Therefore, they had special regimental shoulderboards of the corresponding color, as well as a special coloring of the cap. Employees of the officer units retained the insignia on these uniforms corresponding to their officer rank, and also sought to preserve the elements of uniform corresponding to the officer rank (as much as was possible under those conditions).
Moreover, the advantage was not enjoyed by an officer rank, but by the timing of entry into the Volunteer Army. There were frequent moments when the colonels were subordinate to the captains and lieutenants, whose experience in the struggle against the Bolsheviks was higher. The restoration of status had to be earned with courage in battle.
By the way, the right to wear a special “color” regimental uniform also needed to be earned. It was a kind of reward - recognition of merit.

I missed one point - a volunteer chevron on the  left sleeve is mandatory in the officer regiments. The corner of the colors of the Russian national flag is a sign of volunteer.
Title: Re: RCW from the bottom of the world. Updated 8/11/2019
Post by: cuprum on November 20, 2019, 07:18:37 AM
Watch the video in posts No. 156 and 159 in this thread.
Here we are talking about officer units. Their appearance is shown very reliably.

By the way, in episode 159, the captain who ran from the Red Army to the side of the whites is shown. He was to earn in battle the right to reinstate in the ranks of the Volunteer Army.

http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=23991.150
Title: Re: RCW from the bottom of the world. Updated 8/11/2019
Post by: Kiwitoddy on November 21, 2019, 07:29:16 AM
wow, thank you Cuprum.
Title: Re: RCW from the bottom of the world. Updated 24/12/2019
Post by: Kiwitoddy on December 24, 2019, 09:39:54 AM
Some Bolshevik officers...erm commanders.

Title: Re: RCW from the bottom of the world. Updated 6/01/2020 Proletariat to horse!
Post by: Kiwitoddy on January 06, 2020, 06:51:44 AM
The completed bunch of Cavalry. Now time to start basing for the grasslands of Southern Russia
Title: Re: RCW from the bottom of the world. Updated 8/11/2019
Post by: marianas_gamer on January 06, 2020, 07:46:59 AM
Nice!  :-* :-*
Title: Re: RCW from the bottom of the world. Updated 8/11/2019
Post by: Lord Raglan on January 06, 2020, 08:18:10 AM
Nicely done buddy, your collection is looking great
Title: Re: RCW from the bottom of the world. Updated 8/11/2019
Post by: Ignatieff on January 06, 2020, 10:17:30 AM
Good work fella.  Love them all, especially the flags.  And never forget, you can never have too many Bolsheviks!
Title: Re: RCW from the bottom of the world. Updated 8/11/2019
Post by: Kiwitoddy on January 07, 2020, 05:05:32 AM
Thanks guys for the comments, all the Bolsheviks are painted and just await basing, once that's done I'll do a group shot.
Title: Re: RCW from the bottom of the world. Updated 9/01/2020
Post by: Kiwitoddy on January 08, 2020, 11:15:18 PM
Heres some of the Bolsheviks all done and dusted with a view objective markers.
Title: Re: RCW from the bottom of the world. Updated 9/01/2020
Post by: Kiwitoddy on January 08, 2020, 11:39:24 PM
Now for the infantry.
Title: Re: RCW from the bottom of the world. Updated 9/01/2020
Post by: Kiwitoddy on January 08, 2020, 11:48:08 PM
And the last of them. That'll be it for a while till I get some Whites.
Title: Re: RCW from the bottom of the world. Updated 9/01/2020
Post by: cuprum on January 09, 2020, 03:47:18 AM
Excellent!
But the black shirts were not used by the Reds))) Only the sailors had black greatcoats.
I am preparing for you information on the uniform of the Don Army - do not rush to paint the white figures))) There are several interesting points that will decorate the figures.
Title: Re: RCW from the bottom of the world. Updated 9/01/2020
Post by: Kiwitoddy on January 10, 2020, 05:02:22 AM
yeah I appreciate the black-clad Chekists is ahistorical to say the least. Thank you for going to the trouble of preparing the information.


 Don't worry I'm not rushing to paint the Whites just yet...the joys of being in New Zealand.
Title: Re: RCW from the bottom of the world. Updated 9/01/2020
Post by: Mike Blake on January 10, 2020, 10:30:08 AM
It is difficult - I sympathise with Cuprum, who wants all the details right, having done all that research for us. But of course...they look sooo sexy in black that I have decided I must have some too!
Title: Re: RCW from the bottom of the world. Updated 9/01/2020
Post by: cuprum on January 10, 2020, 11:25:54 AM
Well, these are just toy soldiers - you can paint them in any color))) You can even paint the Napoleonic British infantry black - it's your right)))
By the way - during the Civil War, the black leather uniform was quite widespread among the Reds. In ordinary army units - and in the troops of the Cheka, inclusive. But these were not shirts - they were leather jackets. And there are suitable figures in this form - this is Trotsky's Red Guard from Brigade Games.
And you will have black units - and at the same time absolutely historical.
http://brigadegames.3dcartstores.com/Trotskys-Red-Guard-I-8_p_588.html

(http://pastvu.com/_p/a/3/g/s/3gs6h0qk6ron3vjrdn.jpg)

By the way, the soldiers of 51 divisions reds in 1920 had red shirts (gift from sponsors) - there would be quite interesting units in the game)))
Title: Re: RCW from the bottom of the world. Updated 9/01/2020
Post by: Kiwitoddy on January 10, 2020, 11:28:29 PM
who sponsored the 51st Division? Was it a collection of local soviets etc? a unit of red shirted or indeed red leather clad men would definitely add a bit of colour to the table.
Title: Re: RCW from the bottom of the world. Updated 9/01/2020
Post by: cuprum on January 11, 2020, 12:03:21 AM
The 51st Division is a well-known military unit of the Bolsheviks. He commanded the division - the future Soviet Marshal Blucher. The division fought on the Eastern Front against the Kolchak army and took an active part in its defeat. It was considered one of the best divisions in the Red Army.
In 1920, the division was transferred to the Southern Front. She took part in the famous battles at the Kakhovka bridgehead. Reflecting the advance of the white tanks - destroying and capturing 16 tanks (earlier the Reds often fled in terror from white tanks).
Later, the 51st division attacked the fortifications on Perekop in the forehead and broke into the Crimea.

(http://c.radikal.ru/c26/2001/05/7a3f4a087e8e.jpg)

For the defeat of Kolchak as a gift from the Moscow Council, the division received red tunics as a gift. In whites memoirs about the battles in the South, there are many references to the fact that the Bolshevik fighters were wearing red tunics.
In addition, the 51st Division is one of the few red military units that received a new greatcoat (green, with red stripes on the chest). Also in their division was a unique manner of wearing a large red star on a fur hat.

(http://d.radikal.ru/d35/2001/1b/e61e321ea6e1.jpg)

The red leather uniform is a myth. More precisely - red skin actually looks like this:

(http://d.radikal.ru/d10/2001/ee/a039a5410445.jpg)

It is rather brown than red)))
Title: Re: RCW from the bottom of the world. Updated 9/01/2020
Post by: Mike Blake on January 11, 2020, 02:51:24 PM
Tx - great stuff.

Red shirts ie gymnasterkas (sp?) and 'red' leather jackets?
Title: Re: RCW from the bottom of the world. Updated 9/01/2020
Post by: cuprum on January 11, 2020, 04:53:24 PM
51 divisions had red gymnasterkas.
According to some researchers, Trotsky’s escort had a “red” leather uniform (although, judging by the available photos, it was a regular black uniform).  This question is still open for me.
Title: Re: RCW from the bottom of the world. Updated 9/01/2020
Post by: Kiwitoddy on January 13, 2020, 05:26:41 AM
fascinating stuff, you sir are a font of knowledge on this period. I did wonder how about the truth behind the red leather uniforms.
Title: Re: RCW from the bottom of the world. Updated 9/01/2020
Post by: Mike Blake on January 14, 2020, 10:26:08 AM
51 divisions had red gymnasterkas.
According to some researchers, Trotsky’s escort had a “red” leather uniform (although, judging by the available photos, it was a regular black uniform).  This question is still open for me.

Red or brown, it is still pretty amazing for an army uniform!
Title: Re: RCW from the bottom of the world. Updated 30/03/2020
Post by: Kiwitoddy on March 30, 2020, 02:08:49 AM
Some Don Cossacks painted thanks to the lockdown
Title: Re: RCW from the bottom of the world. Updated 9/01/2020
Post by: trev on March 30, 2020, 08:32:09 AM
Nice Cossaks! The image appears sideways for me.  Upside-down I could understand.  ;)
Title: Re: RCW from the bottom of the world. Updated 9/01/2020
Post by: Kiwitoddy on March 30, 2020, 06:23:15 PM
haha! yes I'll try and properly orientate the pictures and post some more
Title: Re: RCW from the bottom of the world. Updated 9/01/2020
Post by: madman on March 30, 2020, 06:29:04 PM
Great job on those.
Title: Re: RCW from the bottom of the world. Updated 9/01/2020
Post by: Kiwitoddy on March 30, 2020, 09:24:18 PM
Don...Don...DON

here we are....seem to be all sideways again which is very annoying.
Title: Re: RCW from the bottom of the world. Updated 9/01/2020
Post by: Kiwitoddy on March 30, 2020, 09:45:03 PM
Don Cossack Plastoons
Title: Re: RCW from the bottom of the world. Updated 9/01/2020
Post by: cuprum on March 31, 2020, 12:59:12 AM
Wow, it seems, this is the first time I see on the figures the white strip on the cap-band of the cap that is characteristic of the Don Army!
Excellent job in painting, and outstanding in the study of the prototype)))
Title: Re: RCW from the bottom of the world. Updated 9/01/2020
Post by: Kiwitoddy on April 02, 2020, 01:03:19 AM
Thank you Cuprum the Pygmy Wars website has been invaluable.

 one small question what sort of miniatures would be suitable for Kalmyks serving in the Don Host? I'm thinking either just using Copplestone White Cossacks with Kalmyk colours or the Copplestone Chahar Mongols( mainly because they have shoulderboards)
 
Title: Re: RCW from the bottom of the world. Updated 9/01/2020
Post by: cuprum on April 02, 2020, 02:04:41 AM
(http://d.radikal.ru/d21/2004/8e/5b10552b9233.jpg)
A Kalmuk cavalry squadron, at Rostov in the Don Territory, September 1918.


Kalmyks initially had a uniform, like the Don Cossacks, but with the replacement of scarlet in yellow. Later they received a uniform of the British sample.

They had very interesting national-style banners:

(http://a.radikal.ru/a09/2004/cb/a164445f76f3.jpg)

(http://c.radikal.ru/c31/2004/42/246c8c8cd8b2.jpg)
Title: Re: RCW from the bottom of the world. Updated 9/01/2020
Post by: Kiwitoddy on April 02, 2020, 08:41:26 PM
 Thank you Cuprum for the information  regarding Kalmyk uniforms, those flags are beautiful, I look forward to trying to replicate them.
Title: Re: RCW from the bottom of the world. Updated 9/01/2020
Post by: cuprum on April 03, 2020, 02:26:49 AM
These are two sides of one banner - the third Kalmyk regiment, formed in the summer of 1918.