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Miniatures Adventure => Back of Beyond => Topic started by: Kiwitoddy on October 27, 2019, 09:31:48 PM
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the RCW has been something I've wanted to wargame for a while so without further ado here are some Bolsheviks that I've painted up. I've even tried the arm badges which I'm somewhat happy with.
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Great start...let the revolution begin....;)
DV
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Very well! Arm badges are often neglected, but in vain.
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in vain? have I made a mistake with the ranks? If so any CC is more than appreciated.
I was trying for a Section Commander and a Deputy Platoon Commander.
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You are all excellent. Apparently I didn’t put it quite clearly ::)
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All good mate thanks for the kind words. Working on some more Chekists will post them when finished.
I'll get some Whites at some point, debating whether to go with the North-Western Army and incorporate some of Tsuba's Freikorp as the Baltic Landeswehr or go with the Volunteer Army and a bunch of Don cossacks.
A White standard bearer. I made the shoulder board out of plasticard.
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Geat stuff
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Nice job! :-* :-* Looking forward to more Revolutionary goodness!
LB
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I'll get some Whites at some point, debating whether to go with the North-Western Army and incorporate some of Tsuba's Freikorp as the Baltic Landeswehr or go with the Volunteer Army and a bunch of Don cossacks.
Point of Order -- the Don Cossacks weren't (generally) in the Volunteer Army. (I think you mean the Armed Forces of South Russia, or the later Russian Army). The vast bulk of Don units fought in their own army.
More importantly, since Don Cossacks don't look very different to ordinary Volunteer Army cavalry, I would suggest you go for Kuban or Terek Cossacks. They look quite different and also fought alongside Volunteer units much more often.
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My mistake, I think I must meant to say the AFSR ( doh). I'm aware of the Don Army and wouldn't mind making a few units for it( I've actually just designed a flag for it).
yes the Kuban and Terek Cossacks are striking and I'd love to get some.
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I say designed more made it via Microsoft Paint and then painted over it, but it gets the job done.
some flags for the Don Army, the Baltic Landeswehr and the West Russian Volunteer Army.
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Some Chekists. Better photos incoming
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Why such an abundance of black?
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I saw some painted in black at Steve Dean painting and thought they looked rather stylish...although I do imagine they're not particularly accurate.
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In reality, the troops of the Cheka did not differ in appearance from the rest of the Red Army.
The Red Army sometimes used black leather uniforms, but this had no connection with the type of troops. However, it was most often used in armored units - armored car detachments, crews armored train teams.
I have never seen black greatcoats, except for sailors.
I have never seen black shirt of the 1919 model (with colored stripes on the chest).
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excellent, thank you.
I have to admit I wasn't 100% on the Lewis gunners shirt but that confirms it...looks like someone might get a repainting.
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Oh, these are just figures for the game)))
Just I just clarify this point.
If you have questions about how to reliably paint the figures - I am always ready to help.
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Well I'm curious about the Don Army and other White movements in Southern Russia so any additional information about them would be greatly appreciated.
After I've finished the Bolsheviks I'll move on to some Whites.
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Now, unfortunately, my forum is not available. I recommend to see the site of our colleague Mark Plant:
http://www.pygmywars.com/barendspages/steppehosts/donnotes/donnotes.html
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Oh yes the Pygmy Wars site is marvellous and so is the Siberia Miniatures forum and I look forward to its return
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Some Red Army men in Great coats, an officer and a rather disgruntled looking Bolshevik
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Excellent work!
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I have a question about Officer Regiments, what sort of shoulderboards did they use? would they have kept their previous shoulderboards with their old rank insignia? or were new ones issued?
I wonder if i'm taking the term 'Officer Regiment' a little too literally.
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Officers and cadets made up the majority in such regiments at the very beginning of the Civil War. As events developed and armies grew, officers died, transferred to officer posts in other military units, regiments were diluted with conscripts and captured Red Army soldiers. The percentage of officers serving as ordinary soldiers was rapidly declining. Moreover, officers who served as ordinary soldiers always stood out in separate units — officer battalions and companies. These were truly elite shock units of the highest level - a significant number of officers in them had great combat experience and were extremely motivated.
Elite regiments, naturally, sought to indicate their status with external differences. Therefore, they had special regimental shoulderboards of the corresponding color, as well as a special coloring of the cap. Employees of the officer units retained the insignia on these uniforms corresponding to their officer rank, and also sought to preserve the elements of uniform corresponding to the officer rank (as much as was possible under those conditions).
Moreover, the advantage was not enjoyed by an officer rank, but by the timing of entry into the Volunteer Army. There were frequent moments when the colonels were subordinate to the captains and lieutenants, whose experience in the struggle against the Bolsheviks was higher. The restoration of status had to be earned with courage in battle.
By the way, the right to wear a special “color” regimental uniform also needed to be earned. It was a kind of reward - recognition of merit.
I missed one point - a volunteer chevron on the left sleeve is mandatory in the officer regiments. The corner of the colors of the Russian national flag is a sign of volunteer.
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Watch the video in posts No. 156 and 159 in this thread.
Here we are talking about officer units. Their appearance is shown very reliably.
By the way, in episode 159, the captain who ran from the Red Army to the side of the whites is shown. He was to earn in battle the right to reinstate in the ranks of the Volunteer Army.
http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=23991.150
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wow, thank you Cuprum.
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Some Bolshevik officers...erm commanders.
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The completed bunch of Cavalry. Now time to start basing for the grasslands of Southern Russia
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Nice! :-* :-*
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Nicely done buddy, your collection is looking great
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Good work fella. Love them all, especially the flags. And never forget, you can never have too many Bolsheviks!
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Thanks guys for the comments, all the Bolsheviks are painted and just await basing, once that's done I'll do a group shot.
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Heres some of the Bolsheviks all done and dusted with a view objective markers.
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Now for the infantry.
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And the last of them. That'll be it for a while till I get some Whites.
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Excellent!
But the black shirts were not used by the Reds))) Only the sailors had black greatcoats.
I am preparing for you information on the uniform of the Don Army - do not rush to paint the white figures))) There are several interesting points that will decorate the figures.
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yeah I appreciate the black-clad Chekists is ahistorical to say the least. Thank you for going to the trouble of preparing the information.
Don't worry I'm not rushing to paint the Whites just yet...the joys of being in New Zealand.
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It is difficult - I sympathise with Cuprum, who wants all the details right, having done all that research for us. But of course...they look sooo sexy in black that I have decided I must have some too!
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Well, these are just toy soldiers - you can paint them in any color))) You can even paint the Napoleonic British infantry black - it's your right)))
By the way - during the Civil War, the black leather uniform was quite widespread among the Reds. In ordinary army units - and in the troops of the Cheka, inclusive. But these were not shirts - they were leather jackets. And there are suitable figures in this form - this is Trotsky's Red Guard from Brigade Games.
And you will have black units - and at the same time absolutely historical.
http://brigadegames.3dcartstores.com/Trotskys-Red-Guard-I-8_p_588.html
(http://pastvu.com/_p/a/3/g/s/3gs6h0qk6ron3vjrdn.jpg)
By the way, the soldiers of 51 divisions reds in 1920 had red shirts (gift from sponsors) - there would be quite interesting units in the game)))
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who sponsored the 51st Division? Was it a collection of local soviets etc? a unit of red shirted or indeed red leather clad men would definitely add a bit of colour to the table.
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The 51st Division is a well-known military unit of the Bolsheviks. He commanded the division - the future Soviet Marshal Blucher. The division fought on the Eastern Front against the Kolchak army and took an active part in its defeat. It was considered one of the best divisions in the Red Army.
In 1920, the division was transferred to the Southern Front. She took part in the famous battles at the Kakhovka bridgehead. Reflecting the advance of the white tanks - destroying and capturing 16 tanks (earlier the Reds often fled in terror from white tanks).
Later, the 51st division attacked the fortifications on Perekop in the forehead and broke into the Crimea.
(http://c.radikal.ru/c26/2001/05/7a3f4a087e8e.jpg)
For the defeat of Kolchak as a gift from the Moscow Council, the division received red tunics as a gift. In whites memoirs about the battles in the South, there are many references to the fact that the Bolshevik fighters were wearing red tunics.
In addition, the 51st Division is one of the few red military units that received a new greatcoat (green, with red stripes on the chest). Also in their division was a unique manner of wearing a large red star on a fur hat.
(http://d.radikal.ru/d35/2001/1b/e61e321ea6e1.jpg)
The red leather uniform is a myth. More precisely - red skin actually looks like this:
(http://d.radikal.ru/d10/2001/ee/a039a5410445.jpg)
It is rather brown than red)))
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Tx - great stuff.
Red shirts ie gymnasterkas (sp?) and 'red' leather jackets?
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51 divisions had red gymnasterkas.
According to some researchers, Trotsky’s escort had a “red” leather uniform (although, judging by the available photos, it was a regular black uniform). This question is still open for me.
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fascinating stuff, you sir are a font of knowledge on this period. I did wonder how about the truth behind the red leather uniforms.
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51 divisions had red gymnasterkas.
According to some researchers, Trotsky’s escort had a “red” leather uniform (although, judging by the available photos, it was a regular black uniform). This question is still open for me.
Red or brown, it is still pretty amazing for an army uniform!
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Some Don Cossacks painted thanks to the lockdown
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Nice Cossaks! The image appears sideways for me. Upside-down I could understand. ;)
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haha! yes I'll try and properly orientate the pictures and post some more
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Great job on those.
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Don...Don...DON
here we are....seem to be all sideways again which is very annoying.
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Don Cossack Plastoons
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Wow, it seems, this is the first time I see on the figures the white strip on the cap-band of the cap that is characteristic of the Don Army!
Excellent job in painting, and outstanding in the study of the prototype)))
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Thank you Cuprum the Pygmy Wars website has been invaluable.
one small question what sort of miniatures would be suitable for Kalmyks serving in the Don Host? I'm thinking either just using Copplestone White Cossacks with Kalmyk colours or the Copplestone Chahar Mongols( mainly because they have shoulderboards)
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(http://d.radikal.ru/d21/2004/8e/5b10552b9233.jpg)
A Kalmuk cavalry squadron, at Rostov in the Don Territory, September 1918.
Kalmyks initially had a uniform, like the Don Cossacks, but with the replacement of scarlet in yellow. Later they received a uniform of the British sample.
They had very interesting national-style banners:
(http://a.radikal.ru/a09/2004/cb/a164445f76f3.jpg)
(http://c.radikal.ru/c31/2004/42/246c8c8cd8b2.jpg)
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Thank you Cuprum for the information regarding Kalmyk uniforms, those flags are beautiful, I look forward to trying to replicate them.
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These are two sides of one banner - the third Kalmyk regiment, formed in the summer of 1918.