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Title: I miss the Human armies in Warhammer-any alternatives?
Post by: ulverston on November 08, 2019, 04:21:27 PM
Hi Chaps,

Drifting through this forum is such a pleasure as the skill displayed on here is just amazing. Every now and then a topic just pops out and really makes me want to have a go myself. The recent Warhammer forces of Chaos and undead by Nicklas for instance is amazing as is anything by Tin Shed or Captain Blood.

Currently I am painting/modelling German and Russians for the eastern front and with the Germans almost complete I am looking for a side project (how often do war gamers do this?) to break up the dull painting palette of WW2.

I would love to have a go at fantasy and used to have a nice Empire army which has now sadly been abandoned by GW. Is there a viable alternative to sourcing either Empire or Bretonnians? I believe Fireforge are doing Bretonnian types but have never seen an actual model-has anyone on here painted them?

It seems common sense to stick with one manufacturer to get some consistency... has anyone continued to play Warhammer with the human armies? Does anyone actually play Kings of War?

Any advice would be welcome as I am about to spend either on a GW starter box or a Mantic box... or...?

Help advice and links would be appreciated for this solo gamer, thanks Chaps.
Title: Re: I miss the Human armies in Warhammer-any alternatives?
Post by: Knight-Captain Tyr on November 08, 2019, 05:23:46 PM
Welcome to the fantasy world :)

Fireforge are very well/widely used. AKULA, Ogrob, both Gibby's have used them a lot as I recall - Breazer also makes fantastic use of them in his medievals thread (and what is the medieval period but fantasy without the orcs? Don't quote me on that...) I also use them a lot in my Black Order thread on this subforum.

Although it may seem common sense, mixing manufacturers is actually very common among collectors of human fantasy armies. All the above users + my own log do this (and often on the same model - example below, that's Fireforge, Perry and Conquest plastics)

Kings of War is enormously popular in the UK. If you're on Facebook, there is a dedicated fan page (actually two) and then regional pages which are fantastic for setting up games - if you give us some details perhaps we could help point you in the right direction. :)

_________________________

(https://i.imgur.com/8flgFPG.jpg)
Title: Re: I miss the Human armies in Warhammer-any alternatives?
Post by: Knight-Captain Tyr on November 08, 2019, 05:25:09 PM
P.S.: If it's specifically the Empire you're looking for, look at Warlord Games' Landsknechts and the Perry Miniatures European Mercenaries/War of the Roses range. These are frequently combined by kitbashers in the Mordheim and 9th Age groups looking to make 'improved' Empire minis.
Title: Re: I miss the Human armies in Warhammer-any alternatives?
Post by: HappyChappy439 on November 08, 2019, 06:13:41 PM
+1 for the Perry Suggestion, especially considering the Perry brothers used to sculpt the GW range anyway!

Though, the Fireforge range, with all the great-helms and heater shields, is probably closer in aesthetic to the plastic Bretonnians as a heads up!
Title: Re: I miss the Human armies in Warhammer-any alternatives?
Post by: Ogrob on November 08, 2019, 06:29:49 PM
A lot of fun can be had in making your own custom Fantasy humans.

Besides the already mentioned I would bring up Oathmark and Frostgrave from North Star as well which have a lot of useful bits and kits.

Title: Re: I miss the Human armies in Warhammer-any alternatives?
Post by: Hobby Services on November 08, 2019, 07:02:48 PM
Not that I play personally, but Kings of War has largely replaced Warhammer amongst the local diehards who refused to transition to Age of Sigmar - which was most of them, certainly all the "alpha gamer" types.  The related Vanguard skirmish rules seem to be getting some traction around here as well.

Age of Sigmar hasn't wholly abandoned the old Empire figs, most of the infantry is still available and they just came out with the "Cities of Sigmar" army book that supports lists composed of "orphan" Warhammer figs.  What used to be Empire is now "Free Peoples" and I'm told they're actually quite effective if you actually want to play AoS, more so if you use the mixed armies in the new book to splash in some elves, Dwarves, and artillery support.  And of course they can take Sigmarines for uber-elite types, FWIW.
Title: Re: I miss the Human armies in Warhammer-any alternatives?
Post by: ulverston on November 08, 2019, 07:05:11 PM
Wow Guys-what fantastic work! Thank you for the advice.... I will give a further response but now I am caught up reading the topics that you have mentioned-in fact this is my evening sorted, I have opened a beer and have my notebook beside me. Already I have purchased the Warlord Games Pikemen box.

Again thanks for this I will report back shortly
Title: Re: I miss the Human armies in Warhammer-any alternatives?
Post by: mweaver on November 08, 2019, 07:36:54 PM
I miss those armies too - the Empire were my favorites.

You might want to hang out some in LAF's "Pikes, Muskets and Flouncy Shirts" section, where historical figures that would work for an "Empire" army often show up (usually beautifully painted).

Have you seen Steel Fist Miniatures' Italian War range?

https://www.steelfistminiatures.com/product-category/italian-wars-1494-1538-product_cat-19/

Some lovely figures there.

-Michael
Title: Re: I miss the Human armies in Warhammer-any alternatives?
Post by: mweaver on November 08, 2019, 07:44:53 PM
Oh, and Lead Adventure Miniatures has some appropriate and characterful figures in their Bruegelburg range

Samples:

(https://lead-adventure.de/media/image/product/65/lg/bru-38-landsknecht-crossbowmen-2-2.jpg)



(https://lead-adventure.de/media/image/product/83/lg/bru-56-long-rifle-sharpshooter-team-3-2.jpg)


https://lead-adventure.de/

-Michael
Title: Re: I miss the Human armies in Warhammer-any alternatives?
Post by: petercooman123 on November 08, 2019, 07:47:37 PM
I am on the lookout as well for miniatures to add to my brettonians, and some to use for mordheim.

Going to crisis tomorrow, so will be on the lookout for fireforge and perry boxes!
Title: Re: I miss the Human armies in Warhammer-any alternatives?
Post by: Ogrob on November 08, 2019, 07:58:51 PM
Fireforge will mix well with old (5th edition and before) Brettonia, but the later GW models are a good bit larger and chunkier than Fireforge's plastics.
Title: Re: I miss the Human armies in Warhammer-any alternatives?
Post by: Neldoreth on November 08, 2019, 08:00:23 PM
Two of my favourite armies in Warhammer were Bretonnia and the Empire (Undead being my absolute favourite). I have been working on building both armies using older figures, and it's been great. Check out my Empire galleries here:

http://www.hourofwolves.org/?view=armies&which=theEmpire&full=1

And my Bretonnian galleries here:

http://www.hourofwolves.org/?view=armies&which=bretonnia&thumbs=1

For Bretonnia, the Oathmark humans are a great option for men-at-arms. I have painted some as Bretonnians already (see below). For Empire, I'd recommend buying the old figures. They're cheap and also fantastic... and there are years and years worth of old plastics available on eBay at reasonable prices. The FireForge humans Northmen will also likely fit into either army. I think the Fireforge Albion figs are a bit too small imo. I'd recommend buying older figs for Bretonnians. They're so cheap on eBay.

(http://www.hourofwolves.org/images/armies/bretonnia/23_lordRavenwand01.jpg)

Here are my Battle Masters men at arms that I recently completed!

(http://www.hourofwolves.org/images/armies/empire/06_HalberdiersBattlemasters.jpg)

Thanks
good luck, looking forward to seeing what you come up with!
Title: Re: I miss the Human armies in Warhammer-any alternatives?
Post by: ulverston on November 08, 2019, 08:06:41 PM
I have been reading some of the links supplied and it is astounding what people are kitbashing together! I will be using Age of Sigmar for now so it will be round bases. The Mantic version of Mordheim sounds very interesting and I will look for information on that next.

This was going to be a mild distraction from painting two Bolt Action armies but already I am having more fun than I expected. Its strange that in a couple of years of concentrating on other things/aspects of the hobby that so much can change. This is also a good excuse to try and copy Tin Sheds mdf church...

Thanks again for the links, its time for another beer and have a look at the Bruegelberg range.... I need those sharpshooters! Also just a few of the Steelfist minis... never heard of them before-they look very nice indeed.
Title: Re: I miss the Human armies in Warhammer-any alternatives?
Post by: petercooman123 on November 08, 2019, 08:33:37 PM
Fireforge will mix well with old (5th edition and before) Brettonia, but the later GW models are a good bit larger and chunkier than Fireforge's plastics.

I only have a couple of newer brettonians: 2 pegasus knights (but the riders are 5th edition knights, and 1 newer plastic knight that i got in a joblot of minis. I use him as my lord as the horse is more detailed than the older ones. So no problems there!

(https://i.imgur.com/Yltv22a.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/AVmf81g.jpg)

the rest are proper old brettonians from when i started warhammer all those years ago!
(https://i.imgur.com/wxwk9we.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/t4Hgux1.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/YRvwlru.jpg)
Title: Re: I miss the Human armies in Warhammer-any alternatives?
Post by: ulverston on November 08, 2019, 08:41:58 PM
Your collection is so nice. Good to see those minis again, they were (and still are) amongst  the best that GW ever produced
Title: Re: I miss the Human armies in Warhammer-any alternatives?
Post by: petercooman123 on November 08, 2019, 08:56:08 PM
Your collection is so nice. Good to see those minis again, they were (and still are) amongst  the best that GW ever produced

Yes they are!

Still got some of the same era spearmen to paint up, and a bunch of archers! Also have a knight errant in a sealed blister, wainting untill i can source more of the chaps!!
Title: Re: I miss the Human armies in Warhammer-any alternatives?
Post by: Orctrader on November 08, 2019, 08:57:58 PM
For metal miniatures, White Knight's Imperium  LINK  (http://whiteknightminiatureimperium.blogspot.com/)of any use to you?

They paint up very nicely.   :)

(http://www.orctrader.co.uk/Images/Fantasy/WK_Knights_1.jpg)

(http://www.orctrader.co.uk/Images/Fantasy/WK_Knights_2.jpg)
Title: Re: I miss the Human armies in Warhammer-any alternatives?
Post by: ulverston on November 08, 2019, 09:35:25 PM
Yes indeed they do look interesting. I have just opened the link and the site itself looks great as well.
Title: Re: I miss the Human armies in Warhammer-any alternatives?
Post by: Ethelred the Almost Ready on November 09, 2019, 02:00:00 AM
Also take a look at Gamezone, MOM Miniatures and Black Tree Design
Title: Re: I miss the Human armies in Warhammer-any alternatives?
Post by: madzerker on November 09, 2019, 06:45:54 AM
I personally love the human minis for Song of Ice and Fire from CMoN. They will be a little bigger then historical minis or 28mm minis, but they really look neat in units.
Title: Re: I miss the Human armies in Warhammer-any alternatives?
Post by: ulverston on November 09, 2019, 06:57:14 AM
They do indeed look nice Madzerker but their size sort of puts me off
Title: Re: I miss the Human armies in Warhammer-any alternatives?
Post by: ulverston on November 09, 2019, 07:45:07 AM
I may well be the last person on here to have discovered this site

https://mjolnirvii.wixsite.com/blackorder

If you have not been I urge you to take a look. I was up early (a Saturday!) just so that I could drift around this lovely site...
Title: Re: I miss the Human armies in Warhammer-any alternatives?
Post by: HappyChappy439 on November 09, 2019, 09:57:01 AM
For another suggestion the Wargames Foundry Late Medieval and Early Renaissance Pike-and-Shot ranges might be worth a look if you're open to metals, they've got some of that old classic GW look to 'em!
Title: Re: I miss the Human armies in Warhammer-any alternatives?
Post by: ulverston on November 09, 2019, 10:33:45 AM
Yes I will take a look at almost anything, plastic is obviously easier to convert but I think there are plenty of useful metals out there.

I keep floating back to Games Workshop to browse but the prices are a bit eyewatering... as a bad guy leader this figure is just the thing....sadly the price is not!

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Harbinger-Of-Decay
Title: Re: I miss the Human armies in Warhammer-any alternatives?
Post by: Gibby on November 09, 2019, 11:07:19 AM
For another suggestion the Wargames Foundry Late Medieval and Early Renaissance Pike-and-Shot ranges might be worth a look if you're open to metals, they've got some of that old classic GW look to 'em!

My Empire army is made up of Foundry Landsknechts, they are lovely figures. There are some Artizan figures in there too, which are equally excellent. Some are a tad smaller than the 6th Edition Empire Plastics but those were notoriously massive anyway. The Estalian contingent is made up of Foundry's Conquistador range and some TAG Renaissance Spanish troops. All in all everything looks the right size on the tabletop. I've also noticed recently that when you compare sized of figures, differences become way less obvious once they're all painted. Bare metal differences seem more noticeable to my eye.
Title: Re: I miss the Human armies in Warhammer-any alternatives?
Post by: tin shed gamer on November 09, 2019, 11:23:16 AM
 lol Just. To throw a spanner in the works I'm a couple weeks off building a city wall/ castle .
I'll do a WIP/tutorial if your interested?

Back on topic.

(I haven't bought them or even really googled for  painted versions, as I've around thirty Empire  cavalry in various stages of CBA.)

There's super cheap 28mm ' Ex illis' cavalry on EBay .
If you can live with a single horse pose.
On mass a single pose can be visually quite pleasing -that said it would be quite a simple task to tweak leg positions. On these.
If its something you fancy...

Then you can have fifty (yes 50) all on the frames for £15.
Or 20 for a tenner.


(Sorry for the pic but I can never ger a link to work on my phone. ::) )
Title: Re: I miss the Human armies in Warhammer-any alternatives?
Post by: Gibby on November 09, 2019, 11:53:24 AM
I was looking at those just yesterday. Great value, but I think they're *massive*.

I am envious of your Empire cavalry. It's the thing I'm struggling to proxy as a lot of historical ranges have really small horses (in comparison to the Empire Knights, etc)
Title: Re: I miss the Human armies in Warhammer-any alternatives?
Post by: Hobby Services on November 09, 2019, 03:04:11 PM
Yes I will take a look at almost anything, plastic is obviously easier to convert but I think there are plenty of useful metals out there.

I keep floating back to Games Workshop to browse but the prices are a bit eyewatering... as a bad guy leader this figure is just the thing....sadly the price is not!

https://www.games-workshop.com/en-GB/Harbinger-Of-Decay

If GW has anything going for them price wise, it's that the sheer volume of sales produces regular bargains on the secondary market.  It might take a while for any given thing to show up at an acceptable price, but if you keep checking ebay and the like you'll probably get lucky eventually.  That Harbinger fig has at least one current listing at about $12, although it's got seven bids ATM and will probably end higher.

That said, if you just want a scythe-wielding cavalry fig there are almost certainly even cheaper options out there even before considering conversions.
Title: Re: I miss the Human armies in Warhammer-any alternatives?
Post by: ulverston on November 09, 2019, 03:07:48 PM
I have never heard of Ex Illis before but it looks like an interesting game with some nice figures but at the moment I will shy away from the cavalry...actually wrestling with my conscience about buying one cavalry figure for £23 :o

Not decided yet, I suppose its best to wait till 10PM after a bit of dutch courage. I have been watching this painter rescue figures from ebay which is fascinating...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4hCT7h52Fr8

There does not appear to be much on the second hand market for this "period" but plenty of potential for newer kit bashing. What should have been a distraction has pushed my Russians down the painting queue.
Title: Re: I miss the Human armies in Warhammer-any alternatives?
Post by: LotB on November 09, 2019, 05:58:58 PM
Hi,
you can have an example of an army of "fantasy Men", that is of medieval Men-at-Arm (since you mention the Empire and Bretonnia of GW), you can see this post of one of the two battles that we played at a convention in our city (Turin - Italy):
 http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=120735.0
We as miniatures, for the Men-at-Arm we preferably use those of Front Rank of the two series "War of the 100 years" and "War of the two roses", but also GW miniatures (oldhammer), Grenadier (now sold by Mirliton) and others that we should find suitable as a scale, no matter what brand they are.
For the rules we use Fantasy Warriors, in an "expanded" version curated by us (Naran fantasy Wars), the Army of Men-at-Arma can be found on this page of our site:
http://www.naran.it/FantasyWars/Eserciti/Uomini-Arme.htm
Title: Re: I miss the Human armies in Warhammer-any alternatives?
Post by: Andrew_McGuire on November 09, 2019, 06:27:25 PM
I may well be the last person on here to have discovered this site

https://mjolnirvii.wixsite.com/blackorder

No you're not; that would be me. Thank you.

Title: Re: I miss the Human armies in Warhammer-any alternatives?
Post by: Gibby on November 09, 2019, 06:40:08 PM
That's our very own Knight-Captain Tyr's fine work:

https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=108013.0

I'm glad to see it compiled on another website for easier referencing!
Title: Re: I miss the Human armies in Warhammer-any alternatives?
Post by: petercooman123 on November 09, 2019, 10:23:53 PM
So, got back from crisis, and had a really lucky day, brettonian minis wise! Already made a post of my loot, but thought i'd mention the relevant stuff for this thread here as well.

found these in the bring and sell, very very happy!

(https://i.imgur.com/GrahLHM.jpg)

and then went with these to fill out the rest of my brettonians
(https://i.imgur.com/RhgCU4v.jpg)

Have taken a look at the sprues already, and they look great!!
Title: Re: I miss the Human armies in Warhammer-any alternatives?
Post by: ulverston on November 09, 2019, 10:49:48 PM
Glad you had some luck! Its amazing that the Bretonnian stuff keeps turning up, they look good as well.

Had a bit of a spend myself this evening
From Perry miniatures Mercenaries £20 plus post
Warlord Landsknechts £16
1 Sprue of light cav Perry Wars of the Roses £8.00
Frostgrave Wizard Sprue £8.55
Stormcast Eternals £9.99

So an Imperial army of sorts is in the making, not sure which rule system yet but I will have a lot of pikes unless I raid the bits box for some muskets. Artillery and Command to follow....plus the odd bad guy.
Title: Re: I miss the Human armies in Warhammer-any alternatives?
Post by: Gibby on November 09, 2019, 10:59:36 PM
A good selection there. I'm building an Empire army ostensibly for 6th Edition, but am happy to tweak it as needed. It was always really weird to me that the Empire army list didn't have pikemen in it, given the lore. I'll be adding them and just inserting the pike rules over from WAB. I don't play with tournament-focussed players and ultimately it's a "dead game" so you can do what you want with it. The overall battle system of 6th Edition works nicely and is easy to play. Grab the Ravening Hordes supplement and you have a good set of army lists that are fairly "balanced" and on the low-fantasy side of things, too (compared with more recent fantasy games at least).
Title: Re: I miss the Human armies in Warhammer-any alternatives?
Post by: petercooman123 on November 09, 2019, 11:35:53 PM
Glad you had some luck! Its amazing that the Bretonnian stuff keeps turning up, they look good as well.

Had a bit of a spend myself this evening
From Perry miniatures Mercenaries £20 plus post
Warlord Landsknechts £16
1 Sprue of light cav Perry Wars of the Roses £8.00
Frostgrave Wizard Sprue £8.55
Stormcast Eternals £9.99

So an Imperial army of sorts is in the making, not sure which rule system yet but I will have a lot of pikes unless I raid the bits box for some muskets. Artillery and Command to follow....plus the odd bad guy.

Good choice of sets!

HAve had the perry sets in hand today, but for brettonians, the fireforge sets just fit in more based on esthetics. Still nice that there are so many options these days!

Have fun mixing and matching!
Title: Re: I miss the Human armies in Warhammer-any alternatives?
Post by: tin shed gamer on November 09, 2019, 11:51:03 PM
As mentioned Battle Masters is a good source of useable horses and the rider's need virtually no tweaking to fit in with Empire cavalry.
It's really worth keeping a regular eye on eBay for the game and parts .
Tonight I've just by sheer fluke picked up a virtually complete copy for an embarrassing price.
As my eighteen year old at University has just called asking for the Game to play at Uni with his mate's.
So quick panic look after confessing I've butchered the game to fill the ranks of my rapidly expanding force.(honestly you'd thought I'd streaked across the campus infront of him such was the disapproval. ::) I wouldn't mind but I bought it before I'd even met his mother. lol)
Title: Re: I miss the Human armies in Warhammer-any alternatives?
Post by: Rabbitz on November 10, 2019, 12:29:51 AM
The Brets are probably one of my favourite armies from the old GW line, along with Tomb Kings. 

It seems like you can still find a few on Facebook trading groups and eBay if you wanted GW models. 
I’ve not played a mass battle fantasy game in a very long time now but the Mantic mass battle system Kings of War  is very popular in Australia also.


https://unit57inminiature.blogspot.com/search/label/Warhammer%20Fantasy%20-%20Bretonnians?m=1

Title: Re: I miss the Human armies in Warhammer-any alternatives?
Post by: petercooman123 on November 10, 2019, 12:30:10 AM
Don't forget lionheart, that game has some useable minis as well! (i have 3 copies  :D)
Title: Re: I miss the Human armies in Warhammer-any alternatives?
Post by: petercooman123 on November 10, 2019, 12:32:56 AM
The Brets are probably one of my favourite armies from the old GW line, along with Tomb Kings. 

It seems like you can still find a few on Facebook trading groups and eBay if you wanted GW models. 
I’ve not played a mass battle fantasy game in a very long time now but the Mantic mass battle system Kings of War  is very popular in Australia also.


https://unit57inminiature.blogspot.com/search/label/Warhammer%20Fantasy%20-%20Bretonnians?m=1

The brets where my first warhammer army (well more warband, being 12 then and not having much money to spend), andd will always have a special spot. That's why i keep buying stuff for them even though i hardly ever play. I hope lion/dragon rampant can change that!
Title: Re: I miss the Human armies in Warhammer-any alternatives?
Post by: ulverston on November 10, 2019, 08:32:10 AM
Thanks for thhe comments and help Chaps, given that Bretonnians and Empire are still so popular I think Games Workshop are missing out? I had to laugh about your sons disapproval Tin Shed... I think my oldest pot of paint pre dates two of my children one of whom turned 17 yesterday.

As a bunch of gamers who enjoy these armies I am assuming we are of a certain age? I am a very young/ immature 52.

My editions of Warhammer are possibly the first, its yellow with a cheeky Orc on the front and my other edition is possibly the eighth... a dwarf is on the front of that one. I was intending to use Age of Sigmar because they are simple but will have another read about the Kings of War set. Playing solo does not really throw up the problem of what my opponents are using thank fully.

A few games have been mentioned that I have never heard of so I will have a look at those as well... maybe a last purchase of the mdf church... my miniatures will be devout I am sure.

To update the figures will have a church, £19.90 on the bay and I also purchased Artizan designs Landsknecht Command and looters. So that's it for now with the buying, I will put the Russians out of sight for now to avoid feeling guilty...
Title: Re: I miss the Human armies in Warhammer-any alternatives?
Post by: tin shed gamer on November 10, 2019, 12:33:30 PM
I see myself more as a twenty five year old with an additional twenty five years worth of experience.  lol

Here's a couple of pics of the inside just for fun,and a little bit of karma for the Battle Masters set.

When it arrives I'll have the archers and cannon spare .If its of interest to anyone.

Title: Re: I miss the Human armies in Warhammer-any alternatives?
Post by: ulverston on November 10, 2019, 12:51:58 PM
Tin Shed Sir, I bought the church after seeing what you had done with one similar....absolutely amazing work. Petercooman you will be busy with all those figures....so many!
Title: Re: I miss the Human armies in Warhammer-any alternatives?
Post by: petercooman123 on November 10, 2019, 01:13:10 PM
Petercooman you will be busy with all those figures....so many!

Well, all in all i bought 396 or so minis. I painted 600 already this year so just filling the void in the lead/plastic mountain.

I'm 34 by the way, ans started wargaming with 5th ed warhammer. You know, the starter set with the bretonnians!
Title: Re: I miss the Human armies in Warhammer-any alternatives?
Post by: ulverston on November 10, 2019, 03:26:14 PM
600 is a LOT of figures, well done mate that's impressive... I might be reaching the 80 mark this year. I think I bought around 100 last night.... 5th edition had the best figures in my opinion, the archers are a classic mini.
Title: Re: I miss the Human armies in Warhammer-any alternatives?
Post by: petercooman123 on November 10, 2019, 03:57:06 PM
It's a manageable number, especially since there are 10 mm and epic miniatures in that mix.

Yes the archers are great, and the command models are nice too. I have the bertrand the brigand characters for one of my units as well. Lots of character in those!
Title: Re: I miss the Human armies in Warhammer-any alternatives?
Post by: Knight-Captain Tyr on November 11, 2019, 01:28:47 PM
That's our very own Knight-Captain Tyr's fine work:

https://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=108013.0

I'm glad to see it compiled on another website for easier referencing!
I may well be the last person on here to have discovered this site

https://mjolnirvii.wixsite.com/blackorder

If you have not been I urge you to take a look. I was up early (a Saturday!) just so that I could drift around this lovely site...

You guys know how to make a man blush! Cheers. I must say most of that is the 'old' Black Order, i.e. still recognisably Teutonic in appearance/rather closer to a darker Bretonnian vibe, before it went much more Northern in its modern incarnation.

Just wondering if Ulverston saw these, as they're very Empire-esque in tone: https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/84134537/momminiaturas-mercenaries
Title: Re: I miss the Human armies in Warhammer-any alternatives?
Post by: v_lazy_dragon on November 11, 2019, 02:08:39 PM
I'm 34 by the way, ans started wargaming with 5th ed warhammer. You know, the starter set with the bretonnians!
32 for me - and yes, 5th Ed Warhammer... Although it was the plastic multi-part empire Halberdiers/swordsmen(/crossbowmen/handgunners with metal arms) and Mordhiem that really made me take to fantasy humans :)
Title: Re: I miss the Human armies in Warhammer-any alternatives?
Post by: ulverston on November 11, 2019, 05:31:22 PM
Oh no... I am starting to feel like an old man on here! I looked at the kickstarter and think I found his website...

https://www.momminiaturas.com/miniaturas-fantasia/
Title: Re: I miss the Human armies in Warhammer-any alternatives?
Post by: tin shed gamer on November 11, 2019, 06:08:50 PM
Yep you did lol

I order a couple of test pieces over a year ago .Which merrily disappeared in the Hands of my local Sorting office.
Got one of those lovely red cards popped along to collect only to be asked what my parcel looked like and was I sure they had it?

I've not bothered again since their postage is pretty steep compaired to Greenstuff World (both in Spain and since I've not moved in twenty years posted to the same address.)
Title: Re: I miss the Human armies in Warhammer-any alternatives?
Post by: ulverston on November 12, 2019, 07:08:00 AM
That's so frustrating when Royal Mail mess up.... Greenstuff world are excellent in fact I have spent an hour last night with their leaf cutter-I know have a pile of 28mm leaves. I am easily pleased it was very relaxing.
Title: Re: I miss the Human armies in Warhammer-any alternatives?
Post by: ulverston on November 24, 2019, 07:47:36 PM
Well I started to gather my forces for an Imperial Warhammer Army. Two boxes of Perry late Medievals, a box of Landsknechts from Warlord and then a sprue of Wizards from NorthStar.

Three days later... Games Workshop reveal that they are bringing back the old world!!! I am not even cross but now I am left with two boxes of Perry figures (I have sent the Landsknechts to my son)…

Now just to wait a mere two years before starting out in Warhammer only this time I may actually be able to afford it!

Title: Re: I miss the Human armies in Warhammer-any alternatives?
Post by: nicknorthstar on November 24, 2019, 07:59:22 PM
Oh man, ween yourself off that ****.

You're going to wait two years  :o. I've completed, played and got bored of projects over a 2 years period.

Get those Landsknechts back and start that Empire project. Whatever you produce will be more unique, personal and fulfilling that what it is you're sitting back expecting to be spoon fed in 2 years time. For sure.
Title: Re: I miss the Human armies in Warhammer-any alternatives?
Post by: ulverston on November 24, 2019, 08:08:12 PM
I know what your saying Nick but this is an itch I have had for so long... I have actually started a couple of Wizards and they are on a par with anything GW ever made, infact loving all the little extras.
Title: Re: I miss the Human armies in Warhammer-any alternatives?
Post by: syrinx0 on November 28, 2019, 02:12:52 AM
I would strongly think about what Nick said.  You could have a quite reasonable force painted before the next GW old world force arrives.  If it really ever arrives, you will only need to add the units whose sculpts you like to have a playable force.
Title: Re: I miss the Human armies in Warhammer-any alternatives?
Post by: ulverston on November 28, 2019, 07:52:10 AM
You are both right of course Syrinx... I have no defence. Maybe I will try just a few figures in between assembling the Russians on my desk
Title: Re: I miss the Human armies in Warhammer-any alternatives?
Post by: Von Trinkenessen on December 05, 2019, 06:18:53 PM
I suspect that the "old world " may not be landsknecht style ?
But I'm painting a load anyway!!!!! 8) 8) 8)
Title: Re: I miss the Human armies in Warhammer-any alternatives?
Post by: ulverston on December 05, 2019, 09:52:49 PM
Go for it Von, despite waiting for the official GW release I find myself putting units together on round bases for AoS or Dragon Rampant. The Black Order thread though has gotten me digging out my square bases and thinking about Oathmark and Kings of war (never played). Too much choice is making my head hurt!
Title: Re: I miss the Human armies in Warhammer-any alternatives?
Post by: LotB on December 07, 2019, 08:36:15 AM
Go for it Von, despite waiting for the official GW release I find myself putting units together on round bases for AoS or Dragon Rampant. The Black Order thread though has gotten me digging out my square bases and thinking about Oathmark and Kings of war (never played). Too much choice is making my head hurt!

The choice of being able to continue using the miniatures on square bases is: FANTASY WARRIORS - our NARAN expansion also includes the Warhammer armies: http://www.naran.i/naran/   :D
Title: Re: I miss the Human armies in Warhammer-any alternatives?
Post by: 3 fingers on December 07, 2019, 04:01:25 PM
Just looked through the free city people  book in a warhammer shop today, there was a figure looked landsketch with the quilted arms but with a knights helmet ?