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Miniatures Adventure => Medieval Adventures => Topic started by: TacticalPainter on November 19, 2019, 10:04:58 AM
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A bit of an 'on and off' project for me but I'm slowly putting together enough of the Perry plastics for two retinues for Lion Rampant roughly based on the English and French in the rule book. I'm loving the versatility in the Perry plastic sets, especially the mounted set.
Here are some of the mounted men at arms for the English retinue:
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/923/1gjYlA.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pn1gjYlAj)
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/923/vuRyEl.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pnvuRyElj)
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/923/ZrpqoK.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pnZrpqoKj)
By picking up two of the sprues of horses it's possible to add another six figures from the same set. There are options for mounted archers or by using some spare arms from one of the infantry sets some mounted serjeants:
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/923/N2yanQ.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pnN2yanQj)
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/923/080eto.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pn080etoj)
That's 18 mounted figures from a single box.
From a second box I'm making up 12 mounted men at arms for the French and will also add another six serjeants to the mix. These are the first six of the French men at arms:
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/921/HFNtHH.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/plHFNtHHj)
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/923/QmTIWm.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pnQmTIWmj)
Last but not least, using spares from the French and English infantry set I've made up a motley collection of men with various weapons to be Bidowers:
(https://imagizer.imageshack.com/v2/1024x768q90/923/jydGsh.jpg) (https://imageshack.com/i/pnjydGshj)
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8) 8) 8)
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Very smart indeed :o
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Lovey work
8)
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Very nice, they have come out rather well, and I like the Bidowers.
I started putting together a force using Perry plastics as well, but all foot so far, and I am intending to them for the Later Wars of Independence. At the moment they are stuck in a box as I committed to doing a range of platoons for CoC. Add to that the Ancients for 'Infamy, Infamy', and the Flags of War 1745 KS, and they are well down the painting queue sadly.
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They are nice 8)
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Two handsome forces there, and thanks for sharing. The Perry Plastics really are nice.
-Michael
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Very smartly done indeed
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Those mounted serjeants look wonderful in their richly coloured gambesons.
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Really nice painting and clever thinking !
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They look great :-*
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These look great! Thanks for sharing!
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Excellent figures!
Simon
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They look very good - well done
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Pretty cool stuff... will you add shields to your Sergents? Did they carry one at the time?
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They look fantastic!
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Pretty cool stuff... will you add shields to your Sergents? Did they carry one at the time?
To be honest I’m no expert on the armour of the period so I’m taking my guidance from the Perry’s and the odd Osprey book. The Perry set doesn’t include shields and my understanding is these were not much used at the time, so I don’t have any plans to add them. Others more knowledgeable here might chime in and put us right!
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The Perry set doesn’t include shields
Actually, the Perry cavalry set does contain two shields per rider sprue - they are those two semi-rectangular items close to the centre of the sprue.
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To be honest I’m no expert on the armour of the period so I’m taking my guidance from the Perry’s and the odd Osprey book. The Perry set doesn’t include shields and my understanding is these were not much used at the time, so I don’t have any plans to add them. Others more knowledgeable here might chime in and put us right!
Certainly men at arms equipped with the lower grade of armours would have still carried shields, especially if they knew they would be cantering then charging into an 'arrow storm'. Some armours of the time may not have even undergone being 'blued' in the kiln ie hardened/tempered, though these would probably have been in a minority.
Tempering 'high end' armour was done first by heating the steel to a certain temperature (armourers would have gauged this by the colour of the metal in the furnace) then quenched in water, heated up again to a certain temperature (again the temperature was gauged by eye) then quenched again. The manner in which I have described this process might make it sound simple but it was far from that. The armourer depended on a lifetime of skill to get this process right. One mistake and all the hard work was in vain.
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like what you did
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Great stuff, particularly like your gambersons.
As for shields, they are still listed as required equipment in the French ordanances, I suspect still were used in a cavalry charge against cavalry and pesky archers, although falling out of favour by Verneuil, particularly by the wealthier class of Nobles.
I like them as I can add more heraldry to my knights and foot.
Cheers
Matt
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Actually, the Perry cavalry set does contain two shields per rider sprue - they are those two semi-rectangular items close to the centre of the sprue.
And to complement my previous comment, I would like to add that each of the two foot men-at-arms sprues contains a shield, too.
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Absolutely lovely work
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Awesome painting. I'm just getting in the hobby and bought some 40k models. Seeing all the lovely historic models has me thinking I'll move to a historic range next. My wife will game with me so I can pretty much pick any game / period. Is Lion Rampant expensive to get started with? Does one figure represent one person?
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@Bluenotebooks
Lion Rampant is very cheap to get into especially if you are used to 40K prices.
The full price of the Lion Rampant Rulebook is £12.99 and you can often get it for less.
The rulebook contains all of the army lists that you will need - 40 different armies that you can also customise.
Add a dozen D6 and off you go.
Units are represented by 6 or 12 figures. Most starter armies have 5 to 8 units.
However the game also works with multiple players and multiple armies representing retinues from various nobles.
The cheapest period to do is 1415 to 1432 i.e. Agincourt to Orleans.
You can do an English Army for Agincourt out of one box of Perry plastic infantry figures which is £20.
https://www.perry-miniatures.com/product_info.php?cPath=22_62&products_id=3217&osCsid=9ml6v9u6ms7e9sgpa3r498c6o2 (https://www.perry-miniatures.com/product_info.php?cPath=22_62&products_id=3217&osCsid=9ml6v9u6ms7e9sgpa3r498c6o2)
You can do a good French Army out of one box infantry and one box cavalry, which is total of £40.
https://www.perry-miniatures.com/product_info.php?cPath=22_62&products_id=3414&osCsid=9ml6v9u6ms7e9sgpa3r498c6o2 (https://www.perry-miniatures.com/product_info.php?cPath=22_62&products_id=3414&osCsid=9ml6v9u6ms7e9sgpa3r498c6o2)
https://www.perry-miniatures.com/product_info.php?cPath=22_62&products_id=3967&osCsid=9ml6v9u6ms7e9sgpa3r498c6o2 (https://www.perry-miniatures.com/product_info.php?cPath=22_62&products_id=3967&osCsid=9ml6v9u6ms7e9sgpa3r498c6o2)
You can also do Crusades and WOTR periods in plastics.
There are many other options in metal with beautiful figures from loads of manufacturers.
Best Regards
Mick
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Thanks for the info. I'm going to look into it further.