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Title: Ma.K in 1/20 and 1/76
Post by: ErikB on December 19, 2019, 04:31:14 PM
First pass at camouflage.  I see where the triangles need to be more pointy.   Anyone else have some advice?  Comments?  Criticism?

Title: Re: WIP - Ma. K. Oskar R6 1/76
Post by: S_P on December 19, 2019, 04:43:59 PM
I like it. A pin wash will help with definition.

Where did you get the kit from btw?
Title: Re: WIP - Ma. K. Oskar R6 1/76
Post by: ErikB on December 19, 2019, 05:12:09 PM
Thanks.

I got a bunch (I splurged) from Tenbowkissa in Japan.

http://tenbowkissa.web.fc2.com/ctlg.htm

Very good service, packaging, and quality.

You need to email him a list and he'll send you a Paypal invoice.  It's not very automated.

Great resin and multi-media models!!!!
Title: Re: WIP - Ma. K. Oskar R6 1/76
Post by: Westfalia Chris on December 19, 2019, 07:19:07 PM
To be brutally honest, I think it would have been better to mask off the coloured splinters using low-adhesive tape, then stipple the paint on half-wet rather than trying to paint them free-hand. At this small scale, it looks a bit untidy, and any line that is kinked even a bit looks off. It's not that tricky to do using a steel straightedge and a scalpel or modelling knife.

I am also not really convinced by the green. It looks a bit too saturated to work well with the more blueish grey tones otherwise present, but you could add a paler layer of a mix of an olive green tone such as 70.823 Luftwaffe Camouflage Green mixed 2-1 or 1-1 with 70.884.

Thanks for the Tenbowkissa pointer, BTW! I had my eyes on those for some time and am happy to hear they will ship outside of Japan.
Title: Re: WIP - Ma. K. Oskar R6 1/76
Post by: ErikB on December 19, 2019, 08:51:47 PM
Great ideas.  I'll see what I can do to desaturate the green.  I think I used that Luftwaffe Camp Green, actually.

Thanks for the advice.  Much more helpful than "gosh, that looks sooooo nice."
Title: Re: WIP - Ma. K. Oskar R6 1/76
Post by: S_P on December 20, 2019, 04:12:53 PM
Thanks.

I got a bunch (I splurged) from Tenbowkissa in Japan.

http://tenbowkissa.web.fc2.com/ctlg.htm

Very good service, packaging, and quality.

You need to email him a list and he'll send you a Paypal invoice.  It's not very automated.

Great resin and multi-media models!!!!

That is great, thanks for the link.
Title: Re: WIP - Ma. K. Oskar R6 1/76
Post by: ErikB on December 22, 2019, 01:23:43 AM
Light shading and decals.  Getting there.
Title: Re: WIP - Ma. K. Oskar R6 1/76
Post by: von Lucky on December 22, 2019, 05:25:22 AM
Nice one.
Title: Re: WIP - Ma. K. Oskar R6 1/76
Post by: ErikB on December 23, 2019, 05:09:07 AM
An update.  Almost done.
Title: Re: WIP - Ma. K. Oskar R6 1/76
Post by: Blackwolf on December 23, 2019, 06:42:11 AM
Good stuff!

   http://maschinenkrueger.com/forum/index.php

The link for the Mak forum I told you about,I think you have to join to see anything, has some brilliant work etc.
Title: Re: WIP - Ma. K. Oskar R6 1/76
Post by: ErikB on December 23, 2019, 03:47:59 PM
Yes!  I guess I joined a while ago and forgot about it a while ago.

Thanks for the reminder!


Title: 1/20 Snow Camouflage Ma. K. SAFS
Post by: ErikB on December 23, 2019, 07:35:45 PM
My son requested snow camouflage in gr ay and white. And he requested this particular pattern. Then he revealed to me that he does not like these Machinen Krieger models because they look funny to him. He was trying to pick an ugly camouflage scheme as revenge.  This is the mind of my 7-year-old.

But what do you guys think of this pattern? Any advice? It doesn't quite look right but I think that this kind of snow camouflage is feasible with just a little more artistic input.

Insignia and weathering will come later as will the other colors on the joints and details.
Title: Re: 1/20 Snow Camouflage Ma. K. SAFS
Post by: Blackwolf on December 23, 2019, 08:34:07 PM
Excellent! I've got a SAFS sitting on my painting desk still in its  undercoat.
Title: 1/20 Ma. K. Dollhouse WIP
Post by: ErikB on December 24, 2019, 12:55:51 AM
First pass with a four color camouflage.

What do y'all think?  Still have another pass or two of each color, especially the khaki.  Then decals, wash, drybrushing, and so on.

Don't worry, Chris, I'll control for the different color saturations.
Title: Re: 1/20 Ma. K. Dollhouse WIP
Post by: von Lucky on December 24, 2019, 01:21:40 AM
I like the colours chosen and the jagged edging (e.g. between the blue and green on the turret).
Title: Re: 1/20 Ma. K. Dollhouse WIP
Post by: ErikB on December 25, 2019, 01:15:11 AM
With decals and light washes.  Still must tone down the decals and highlight.
Title: Re: 1/20 Ma. K. Dollhouse WIP
Post by: ErikB on December 26, 2019, 07:34:06 AM
And, weathered and photo taken with a flash.  Might look better in natural light.  This flash shows smudges that are just not visible otherwise.

Any comments or criticism?

Title: Re: 1/20 Ma. K. Dollhouse WIP
Post by: von Lucky on December 26, 2019, 08:08:44 AM
Nice, the weathering's pretty good.
Title: Re: 1/20 Ma. K. Dollhouse WIP
Post by: ErikB on December 26, 2019, 02:06:16 PM
Thanks, buddy.
Title: 1/20 Ma. K. Spacesuit WIP
Post by: ErikB on December 27, 2019, 05:28:47 AM
Just got this guy going.  Decals are not going on well.  I cut a corner, skipped a few steps I always figured were unnecessary.  I guess that they are useful, after all.

Any ideas for the visor?  Some high-visibility orange?  Some kind of decal or symbol?

Once dry and smoothed out, then washes and some kind of weathering, not sure what, exactly.

Comments and criticism?
Title: Re: Ma.K in 1/20 and 1/76
Post by: Ultravanillasmurf on December 27, 2019, 09:28:28 AM
I like the suit camouflage (the snow one - turns out I am a page behind...). It would look very effective in a slightly urban snowscape.
Title: Re: Ma.K in 1/20 and 1/76
Post by: Ultravanillasmurf on December 27, 2019, 09:35:09 AM
The Dollhouse looks good in the natural light - the flash produces strange highlights.

Please can we see the weathered one in natural light?
Title: Re: Ma.K in 1/20 and 1/76
Post by: BaronVonJ on December 27, 2019, 03:40:05 PM
Looking good. What would 1/76th scale translate into mm scale? 20mm?
Title: Re: Ma.K in 1/20 and 1/76
Post by: Westfalia Chris on December 27, 2019, 04:20:38 PM
Looking good. What would 1/76th scale translate into mm scale? 20mm?

Traditionally, yes, that is the equivalent. Indeed, true or older 20mm figures tend to look better with 1/76 vehicles than with 1/72, but your mileage may vary.

Re: Topic, I also quite like how the Dollhouse turned out, and a couple of shots in natural lighting would be welcome. Both the tones and the style of the splotches work very well on that one.
Title: Re: Ma.K in 1/20 and 1/76
Post by: ErikB on December 27, 2019, 06:46:01 PM
Looking good. What would 1/76th scale translate into mm scale? 20mm?
Ja, as Chris described.

Screwy scale... I wish these were in 1/48 or 1/100.  That would be close enough to 28mm or 15mm to be compatible with many other minis.
Title: Re: Ma.K in 1/20 and 1/76
Post by: BaronVonJ on December 29, 2019, 08:46:49 PM
May have go down to 15mm or up to 28mm
Title: Re: Ma.K in 1/20 and 1/76
Post by: ErikB on December 30, 2019, 03:47:44 AM
There aren't any.  Gosh, I wish.
Title: Re: Ma.K in 1/20 and 1/76
Post by: BaronVonJ on December 30, 2019, 05:49:00 PM
I mean, use the 1/76 vehicles with 15 or 28mm infantry.
Title: Re: Ma.K in 1/20 and 1/76
Post by: ErikB on December 30, 2019, 11:35:20 PM
Ah, I see.  I'm still searching for 20mm (1/72ish) stuff but I'll probably do exactly as you described.
Title: Re: Ma.K in 1/20 and 1/76
Post by: ErikB on December 31, 2019, 03:50:52 AM
A dune buggy.

Title: Re: Ma.K in 1/20 and 1/76
Post by: ErikB on December 31, 2019, 09:50:53 PM
Next step is cleanup, then weathering.

Not happy with the paint clumping not with the camouflage.
Title: Re: Ma.K in 1/20 and 1/76
Post by: von Lucky on December 31, 2019, 09:52:48 PM
I like that camo scheme - very cool.
Title: Re: Ma.K in 1/20 and 1/76
Post by: Blackwolf on December 31, 2019, 10:30:48 PM
Nice scheme Eric! What Kow does,( albeit with lacquer),which I'm  sure you could do too ,is very lightly (glass paper) sand the cam. back,this also gives the cam. that canonical SF3d blurred look.
Title: Re: Ma.K in 1/20 and 1/76
Post by: Ultravanillasmurf on January 01, 2020, 10:09:17 AM
Excellent.
Title: Re: Ma.K in 1/20 and 1/76
Post by: ErikB on January 01, 2020, 06:13:58 PM
Thanks, guys.

I think he's done.  Any last minute advice?
Title: Re: Ma.K in 1/20 and 1/76
Post by: Ultravanillasmurf on January 01, 2020, 08:33:25 PM
Extremely good work.
Title: Re: Ma.K in 1/20 and 1/76
Post by: ErikB on January 01, 2020, 09:01:42 PM
Thanks. All I see are my errors.
Title: Re: Ma.K in 1/20 and 1/76
Post by: von Lucky on January 01, 2020, 09:13:58 PM
Well done (we all see our errors - more after we post a photo lol). The only recommendation I have is that the base seems a little sparse, so maybe add a tuft of dry grass or some snow?
Title: Re: Ma.K in 1/20 and 1/76
Post by: Blackwolf on January 01, 2020, 09:14:23 PM
Thanks. All I see are my errors.
Haha, we always do mate.
Looks great! I'll have to get stuck into my pile :)
Title: Re: Ma.K in 1/20 and 1/76
Post by: ErikB on January 01, 2020, 10:56:11 PM
 :Like this?  :-)
Title: Re: Ma.K in 1/20 and 1/76
Post by: ErikB on January 02, 2020, 06:53:15 AM
Here is my falcon (Falke). I'm trying some of the colors that Westphalia Chris had suggested. I'm not too keen on the lack of contrast but it might turn out with some squadron markings and decals.

What do you guys think?
Title: Re: Ma.K in 1/20 and 1/76
Post by: ErikB on January 02, 2020, 06:54:03 AM
With markings.
Title: Re: Ma.K in 1/20 and 1/76
Post by: ErikB on January 03, 2020, 01:05:26 AM
My daughter prefers teal to green.  This is today's progress.
Title: Re: Ma.K in 1/20 and 1/76
Post by: Westfalia Chris on January 03, 2020, 08:31:31 AM
I think it is nice and subdued. If you want more contrast, maybe add octopus rings inside the dark splotches, using a lighter grey than the other main tone?

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/a8/07/89/a807891b312bd83a7fca7bbc32c0106e.jpg

I've come to like this camo quite a bit since I encountered it. It might serve for a broken cloud effect.
Title: Re: Ma.K in 1/20 and 1/76
Post by: wmyers on January 03, 2020, 08:47:37 AM
This is a theme that should have been (should be!) done in anime! 
Title: Re: Ma.K in 1/20 and 1/76
Post by: ErikB on January 03, 2020, 11:28:11 PM
This is a theme that should have been (should be!) done in anime!
Chris's octopus camo or Ma. K. in general?   :)
Title: Re: Ma.K in 1/20 and 1/76
Post by: ErikB on January 04, 2020, 04:38:23 AM
Glossed and ready for decals.  Note the teal ID stripes have been lightened.  I think I actually like how the engine turned out.
Title: Re: Ma.K in 1/20 and 1/76
Post by: Ultravanillasmurf on January 04, 2020, 08:52:55 AM
That is nice.

The engine reminds me of the semi-sectioned V2 at the IWM.
Title: Re: Ma.K in 1/20 and 1/76
Post by: von Lucky on January 04, 2020, 10:17:36 PM
Nice stuff (and yes, the snow base is perfect).
Title: Re: Ma.K in 1/20 and 1/76
Post by: ErikB on January 04, 2020, 10:38:03 PM
My wife cleaned up the dining room table and I cannot find the rest of the decals!  Here's what I have thus far.
Title: Re: Ma.K in 1/20 and 1/76
Post by: Westfalia Chris on January 04, 2020, 11:01:13 PM
Both the camp and the teal recognition bands work out rather well. The camp contrast in particular looks spot on to me.
Title: Re: Ma.K in 1/20 and 1/76
Post by: ErikB on January 05, 2020, 05:48:15 AM
Thanks for the compliments, guys.

Here we are, decals done (and hopefully straight!)

Next step is weathering once everything is dry.

Photo is with a flash.
Title: Re: Ma.K in 1/20 and 1/76
Post by: Blackwolf on January 05, 2020, 06:37:21 AM
Great work Eric 8)
Title: Re: Ma.K in 1/20 and 1/76
Post by: ErikB on January 07, 2020, 03:37:44 PM
With panel lines.  Gotta clean them up, add streaks, a few colors for those sensors on the canopy, and drybrush, then done.
Title: Re: Ma.K in 1/20 and 1/76
Post by: ErikB on January 08, 2020, 05:21:01 AM
Gloss removed, matte varnish added, maybe he's done?

Anyone see something I missed?
Title: Re: Ma.K in 1/20 and 1/76
Post by: von Lucky on January 08, 2020, 09:06:30 AM
Lovely - I can't see any flaws.
Title: Re: Ma.K in 1/20 and 1/76
Post by: Ultravanillasmurf on January 08, 2020, 08:14:03 PM
Nice.
Title: Re: Ma.K in 1/20 and 1/76
Post by: ErikB on January 10, 2020, 06:55:44 PM
Thanks, folks.

Here is the latest.  I have 20 of these 1/76 (20mm-ish) AFS suits to do, now.  They are TINY.  I wish they were in 28mm scale.

Anyway, here's the first one, ready for decals, a color ID flash, and a bit of bone-colored drybrushing. 

Also, rust and metal on the exhaust tube, lighter gold for the visor.

That gloss and flash make it look horrible but those will be gone soon.

Any advice?

Any ideas for the visor color?  I was envisioning gold like many types of sunglasses but that doesn't provide much contrast.  Maybe dark blue?  What do y'all think?  On the bigger, 1/20 AFS kits there is a person inside and the visor is clear so we can see him or her.  Not so in this scale.
Title: Re: Ma.K in 1/20 and 1/76
Post by: Grimmnar on January 11, 2020, 01:41:41 AM
Here we are, decals done (and hopefully straight!)
Did you find the rest of the DECALS?

Looking aces btw.

Grimm
Title: Re: Ma.K in 1/20 and 1/76
Post by: ErikB on January 11, 2020, 01:51:47 AM
Did you find the rest of the DECALS?
Yes, I did. Thanks for asking.   ;D ;D ;D

Now we're looking for pieces of my son's partially built thunderhawk gunship. Sigh...
Title: Re: Ma.K in 1/20 and 1/76
Post by: Grimmnar on January 11, 2020, 02:03:25 AM
Yes, I did. Thanks for asking.   ;D ;D ;D

Now we're looking for pieces of my son's partially built thunderhawk gunship. Sigh...
Well we both know its your fault for having your sh*t out on the dining room table.
We all got to hear it if we make the mistake.

Grimm
Title: Re: Ma.K in 1/20 and 1/76
Post by: ErikB on January 11, 2020, 03:54:40 AM
Well we both know its your fault for having your sh*t out on the dining room table.
We all got to hear it if we make the mistake.
Her parents lived with us in the office room for about nine years. When they left, she took it over, after promising me my man cave. I have a semi-permanent paint station set up on the dining room table. We all eat in the kitchen. Besides, this is silicon Valley life, no one ever does home activities at home anymore.

So I blame her, knowing that when I point out my finger at her there are three still pointing back at me.    ;D
Title: Re: Ma.K in 1/20 and 1/76
Post by: Grimmnar on January 13, 2020, 04:12:54 AM
so I blame her, knowing that when I point out my finger at her there are three still pointing back at me.    ;D
Which is why when i point it is all fingers straight out. I do it so much, that when i am at work and i do it i get asked which branch of the military i was in. Which is none, but i guess it seems to be commonplace i hear.

Grimm