I'm going to apologise to Captain Blood, I have read the post now from the Perry's Facebook page, where they also use the term "obscure". I thought that was you being self-righteous, when you were just repeating the post. So, apologies.
As someone with an interest in Brazilian conflicts (due to my partner being Brazilian), I am looking forward to this range (and the Hooker’s/Foundry is a lovely book on the subject).
Another rabbit hole of obscurity. Well, they do love to please themselves with projects they fancy... I guess they’ve earned the right ::) :)
I’m sure it’s not obscure as a period of history for the local inhabitants. But as a wargames genre, it’s obscure. But maybe there’s a huge untapped South American wargames market.
Like I say, the Perrys are well known for occasionally delving in backwaters of historical or imaginary conflicts that they find interesting, but aren’t necessarily commercial. Fair play, if it makes them happy.
I could see a market for figures portraying the Anglo-Zanzibar War, short as it was.
Luckily, they don’t need to worry about the market :)
Good luck to them.
It is obscure for any casual military historian.
This.
Yes, there will be gamers that already have an interest, and yes there will understandably be people that have more of an interest from a geographical perspective but let’s not kid ourselves that it’s a mainstream period from a Wargames perspective...obscure is a reasonable term in a Wargames context....if this offends, then sorry.
@Brummie - Good to hear from you mate....I haven’t been on the Xbox of late, but maybe over the holiday ;)
I wonder who had heard of it before this? Not many people I'd imagine, not even many wargamers, who are often into military history.
Not that obscure for those with an interest in conflicts not involving Americans or English. (I'd argue it has the same level of importance for the local inhabitants as say the American Civil War or the War of the Roses.)
Well I've waited about 50 years for this range. My interest was piqued from the short article in Tradition magazine. I just couldn't bring myself to do it in 15mm back in the day. I have followed the other attempts to do this range in 28mm, but they have either died on the vine or been slow to produce. I hope they do some Paraguayans wearing the chiripa. I have the uniform information. I just have to wait for the figures.
I’m sure they will but even if they don’t there’s a very nice existing range of 28mm Paraguayans wearing a mix of clothing, including chiripás from fellow LAFer Nuno Pereira at Kingscarbine Miniatures:
http://kingscarbinepaintshop.blogspot.com/p/paraguayan-war-range.html
Yes, but is it even available at the moment? Last I knew Kingscarbine was becoming Rifleman Miniatures, and I got a message in May that this was happening this year (2019) but nothing seems to have moved?
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By the by, if anyone is looking for painting references, aside from the battlefield paintings of Candido Lopez and the afore mentioned Foundry book the University of Toronto has published an online version of Barosso’s Uniformes do Exercito brasileiro, which is an excellent guide. Worth googling, the original goes for upwards of $1,000 in mint condition.
A question; more for reference really, but going on the scale of say the Perry Carlist War range, how would Kingscarbine /Rifleman Miniatures fit with the Perry range?
Do you have a link for that online version? I tried Googling and there were lots of dodgy looking links.
I'd wait a little before attempting to answer that question. Perry figures can vary in size and bulk even within a given range. Not long ago, I ordered a Perry Napoleonic French Old Guard Eclaireur command pack with the intention of using the officers as colonels and ADC's for both the Napoleonic wars and the 1st Carlist war. It turned out that the sculpts (Alan's) were noticeably bigger than the FCW figures (Michael's) and even some of Alan's earlier Napoleonics.
Give Nuno a few weeks until the first batch of Perry figures is released and I am sure he'll produce some comparison pics.
I wonder who had heard of it before this?I can say I had heard of it but only due to Anthony Bourdain's Paraguay episode which sent me off to Wikipedia. :D
The best modern Portuguese history of the war is Maldita Guerra, by Doratioto. It puts to rest a lot of hoary myths: https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/3386435-maldita-guerra
That battle was particularly interesting, because several of the Afro Brazilian prostitutes who were with the column fought the Paraguayan cavalry to pull the Brazilian wounded to safety under the wagons.
Think about the modeling possibilities...
I don’t think a lack of encyclopaedic coverage has prevented people from playing with the Perry Carlist and Cape Wars ranges.
Neither snarky nor in reply to you. Read back old boy.
Oh well, feel free to take umbrage at imagined slights if that’s what floats yer boat. I understand its a popular pastime these days.
I'd wait a little before attempting to answer that question. Perry figures can vary in size and bulk even within a given range. Not long ago, I ordered a Perry Napoleonic French Old Guard Eclaireur command pack with the intention of using the officers as colonels and ADC's for both the Napoleonic wars and the 1st Carlist war. It turned out that the sculpts (Alan's) were noticeably bigger than the FCW figures (Michael's) and even some of Alan's earlier Napoleonics.
Give Nuno a few weeks until the first batch of Perry figures is released and I am sure he'll produce some comparison pics.
May be i'll use some of them to convert them into Maximilian's mexican rebels for example.
Tired to see always the Foundry for the job lol lol
Great news indeed
Coincidence, that's what I have been thinking so I can put some Imperial Mexicans on the table against my Gringo40 Republicans!
This will do me in. I had swore not to start another historical period. And definitely not with metal figures. And definitely not in 28mm.
I guess I'm breaking that vow.
If they do Tai Ping rebellion next I'm in real financial trouble.
I did it in 10mm. The Paraguayans were outnumbered and outclassed equipment wise but they put up an awesome resistance. Some of the battles were truly bloodbaths. I've used a few sets of rules but most recently Bloody Big Battles to recreate a couple of the historical battles.
Lot of fun.
Wargames Illustrated made available the original articles about the great Paraguayan war:
https://www.wargamesillustrated.net/the-war-of-the-triple-alliance/
“Great Paraguayan War” sounds to me like something an English speaking scholar relying primarily on Paraguayan sources would use.
It sounds like a good marketing choice to make the conflict sound more puffed up for gaming.
Just my thought ...but what a waste of geniality , creativity, resources and energy in such a poor appealing subject :'( :'( :'(
A bunch of good stuff.
I'm definitely going to start with "Sharp Practice",and see how the range developes before building more substantial forces.
I m almost sure they ll sell a number close to nothing for those first sets of the range..and that s a good new for me as, as a consequence, they ll stop the project and come back again to fill the gaps of their other interesting ranges ...practically all their production except Carlist War..
I read that they even failed to sell many of the beautiful boxes of Plastic Dervishes..
I would be interested to understand the economics of it, how many do you need to sell to break even? There are a lot of hidden costs like samples, transport, show costs, packaging etc. That would all have to be factored in.
Can't believe this as the Sudan is a very popular period. Can you provide a link?
Maybe I m, as always , against the tide..but from my feeling I m almost sure they ll sell a number close to nothing for those first sets of the range..and that s will be a good new for me as, as a consequence, they ll stop the project and come back again to fill the gaps of their other interesting ranges
There was much enthusiasm for one or two of the previous, more esoteric Perry outings. Yet how many games do you see around set in the Carlist Wars or the 'British Intervention Force'? Not many.
::) ::)
You DO realise not everything revolves around your personal tastes, desires and opinions, do you ?
Without derailing the thread, it depends primarily upon the cost of the sculptor, and the production material - metal, resin or plastic.
Many of the “hidden” marketing costs are pretty minimal, if you plan ahead, or if you’ve got an existing range(s) that a new release can piggyback.
Without giving too many numbers, if I planned a new release with a well-known sculptor, using a top caster, for metal figures and a set of master & production moulds, then my breakeven might still be anywhere between 100-200 castings....but again it would depend upon the exact cost of the sculptor, how many figures I released at the same time, how many figures per mould, what the sale price per figure was etc etc
The biggest cost with a new range is the sculptor, but given this is their company & their time, the break even run for a new release may well be surprisingly small.
;)
I heard the same thing - I think, though it could be my memory playing tricks on me - from Michael Perry directly. I was suggesting a plastic set of Pathans to him, and I’m pretty sure his response was that the Mahdists hadn’t been as good a seller as expected, so they would need to think carefully about future colonial sets, given the significant cash investment required to bring a plastic kit to market.
To be fair, this was probably 3 or 4 years ago, since when they’ve released two British colonial infantry sets, plus the Zulu set. So maybe sales of the plastic Ansar picked up enough to justify the later sets.
Perry Plastic Afghans/Pathans just became a reality. Photos up on Facebook. Looks like the Mahdists weren't such bad sellers after all! :)
I heard the same thing - I think, though it could be my memory playing tricks on me - from Michael Perry directly. I was suggesting a plastic set of Pathans to him, and I’m pretty sure his response was that the Mahdists hadn’t been as good a seller as expected, so they would need to think carefully about future colonial sets, given the significant cash investment required to bring a plastic kit to market.
To be fair, this was probably 3 or 4 years ago, since when they’ve released two British colonial infantry sets, plus the Zulu set. So maybe sales of the plastic Ansar picked up enough to justify the later sets.
Perry Plastic Afghans/Pathans just became a reality. Photos up on Facebook. Looks like the Mahdists weren't such bad sellers after all! :)
So there will now be two sets of plastic Afghans coming out in 2020. Spoiled for choice really. Hopefully either the Perry twins or Wargames Atlantic will have the wit to add some SMLEs so that they can be used up until the 1930s.
Now if someone would just get the Perrys to do a line of cangaceiros, I could die happy.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cangaço
(https://i.postimg.cc/vTFJYH61/363-B640-B-5-A61-4-FEA-A6-FE-1-F08-EC2-D8-F96.jpg)
(https://i.postimg.cc/Qxnq1Y0m/525-E21-BC-56-C4-490-E-AED8-6-B056-B511489.jpg)
Maybe I m, as always , against the tide..but from my feeling I m almost sure they ll sell a number close to nothing for those first sets of the range..and that s will be a good new for me as, as a consequence, they ll stop the project and come back again to fill the gaps of their other interesting ranges ...practically all their production except Carlist War..I read that they even failed to sell many of the beautiful boxes of Plastic Dervishes..which i m sorry about that cause they were , for me, a greatly appreciated surprise ..but that s the market..on the other hand they continued to issue Napoleonics minis ..which is, for me, also extremely boring, possibly not to study as period , but to paint and game..but the market asked for thatSo you want a range to fail purely for your own selfish reasons? Charming...
Well I've waited about 50 years for this range. My interest was piqued from the short article in Tradition magazine. I just couldn't bring myself to do it in 15mm back in the day. I have followed the other attempts to do this range in 28mm, but they have either died on the vine or been slow to produce. I hope they do some Paraguayans wearing the chiripa. I have the uniform information. I just have to wait for the figures.
Does anyone know the release date?
The Perry's FB page says "later in January",but I was wondering if anyone has a more specific date.
Cheers
Andy
Out today, according to the Perry email newsletter. :)Thanks very much for the info.
It's out now and I am very tempted, to be honest.I've just given in to temptation!! 8)
I will certainly be happy to se photos of games, or to play in one if anyone else has painted them up!
Leaving aside the near total absence of date palms in Mato Grosso do Sul and eastern Paraguay, they do indeed look superb. :-*
Same. I'm looking forward to picking up an initial order soon.
Anyplace to buy Perry's in the US? I've seen a few but they mostly only have the plastic sets.I use to get mine from "The Warstore" but alas no more.
Mark
You’re best bet nowadays for the metal ranges is to just order direct from the Perry website. Won’t have any issues with what you want being “out of stock” and price-wise is often cheaper even with shipping.
You’re best bet nowadays for the metal ranges is to just order direct from the Perry website. Won’t have any issues with what you want being “out of stock” and price-wise is often cheaper even with shipping.
Leaving aside the near total absence of date palms in Mato Grosso do Sul and eastern Paraguay, they do indeed look superb. :-*
It's okay, you don't need to buy an OpFor, we're both in Melbourne. I'll get the Brazilians and you can get the Paraguayans... or the Argentinians...
What are you basing yours for? I’m thinking singly and then using sabots so I can switch between Sharpe Practice and Volley & Bayonet at the other end of the scale.
By the by, two bits of news. I have convinced Nic at Eureka to cast up some more of the 68 pdr gun barrels so I can do Curupaty and I have been in contact with Nuno of Kingscarbine and his figures will be available again later this month.
The Paraguayans seem to be the favorite.The peoples choice. o_o
Mark