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“Be without fear in the face of your enemies. Be brave and upright, that God may love thee. Speak the truth always, even if it leads to your death. Safeguard the helpless and do no wrong; that is your oath.”
(https://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b76/DigitsDavid/A%20Medieval%20Adventure/80CD93B6-4865-45F4-9A5D-035FFDAE7DA2.jpeg)
So, inspired by my recent introduction to Fistful of Lead, and the collective medieval projects here, I want to build a couple of medieval war bands.
A favourite film of mine, Kingdom of Heaven is leading me to set them firmly in the mid crusades and I want to build my first band around the image above....my favourite scene in the film.
I have various Fireforge and Perry sprues winging their way to me......more soon.....
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Well said that man, here's the leader of my FFofL Crusaders.
King Harry the Lionfart...
(http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=120017.0;attach=108968;image)
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Excellent stuff! Looking forward to seeing what you come up with. ;D
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Not painted by me but painted by Iain McDonald of Flags of War fame for me during the heady days of the Steve Dean Forum Painting Swap (Salad Days indeed- I hope it serves as inspiration.....
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Fantastic figure, wish he was in my Crusade!
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Fantastic figure, wish he was in my Crusade!
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He's sitting in my cabinet. I've got half a dozen or so mini's from the forum painting swap. Not all Crusades though :)
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Here's an excellent idea, old chum...
send him off Crusading to the New Emporium by the Seaside.
;D
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that is my favorite movie, right above El Cid. I have my middle age forces based on vikings and saxons which can also be used as early reconquista christians in Spain and as early crusader infantry. Add in some gripping beast knights, moor and plastic moor can and archers and it's on its way. Good luck with the project. Check out Schrivsland for inspiration. Rick
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“Be without fear in the face of your enemies. Be brave and upright, that God may love thee. Speak the truth always, even if it leads to your death. Safeguard the helpless and do no wrong; that is your oath.”
(https://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b76/DigitsDavid/A%20Medieval%20Adventure/80CD93B6-4865-45F4-9A5D-035FFDAE7DA2.jpeg)
A favourite film of mine, Kingdom of Heaven is leading me to set them firmly in the mid crusades and I want to build my first band around the image above....my favourite scene in the film.
YES, YES, YES!!! Go on! God wills it!
(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-5V1uBPv9Yck/Wmum04MnbPI/AAAAAAAAJuA/WzFnXvDMBa8BKwf44uIn-l9wTmaPZw6GQCLcBGAs/s1600/Templer%2B067.JPG)
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He's sitting in my cabinet. I've got half a dozen or so mini's from the forum painting swap. Not all Crusades though :)
Who makes the Crusader figure please?
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Who makes the Crusader figure please?
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You know, I don't actually remember! I *think* he was a freebie of some kind a quite a while back......
If anyone else can chip in?
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Yes he’s not the Wargames Illustrated Balian D’Ibeline figure...different pose.
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This topic has our juices flowing.
Look what happens when you get a fun set of rules.
Looking at what figures we have around to get to the table to play against Digits.
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Yes he’s not the Wargames Illustrated Balian D’Ibeline figure...different pose.
That's right Digits, Harry the Lionfart's, the WI figure.
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So he is! Nice one, I may have to order him.
Flatpack - to be fair, the guys on here (Captain Blood, Mamalute etc got there first....I’m merely stoked by what they have done. If I get a few figures that look HALF as good, I will be made up! Their battle report using FFoL was the final straw.....I couldn’t resist!
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So he is! Nice one, I may have to order him.
Flatpack - to be fair, the guys on here (Captain Blood, Mamalute etc got there first....I’m merely stoked by what they have done. If I get a few figures that look HALF as good, I will be made up! Their battle report using FFoL was the final straw.....I couldn’t resist!
Very pleased to hear we contributed to your latest venture lol
Looking forward to seeing your progress. ;D
We have some games planned for a few weeks time. Everyone is busy building and painting new retinues in readiness.... lol
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It's a great film for inspiration :)
The black and cream certainly does have an appeal to it.
Everyone is busy building and painting new retinues in readiness.... lol
As well as terrain ::) lol
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Yep, FFofL's a good 'un. There's only very rare occasions when you feel you've actually joined your toys in their world. This has happened to me a few times in the Wacky World of Wiley!!!
:) :-* :)
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I agree with Oscar Wilde, I can resist anything but temptation.
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I think Bob and I were hoping you might have a few Muslim figures in your lead pile fella!
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Gots to have some Warriors of Allah for yer Crusaders to chop up...
(http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=120017.0;attach=108972;image)
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Hmm...just been looking round at the various available suppliers of Muslim figures.
The Perry ones are nice but I feel the range a little limited. A few nice packs from Artizan helps but after that, the quality of others worries me.
However, for a small band a pack or two from these two purchased, will allow me to build a pair of bands and a few civilians for flavour....
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I'm concentrating on the Crusaders, so not too bothered about the quality of the Saracens, as I won't be using 'em!
Having said that I couldn't resist this bloke as mi' Mad Mullah and his bodyguard...
(https://www.artizandesigns.com/images/img1135.jpg)
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I'm concentrating on the Crusaders, so not too bothered about the quality of the Saracens, as I won't be using 'em!
Having said that I couldn't resist this bloke as mi' Mad Mullah and his bodyguard...
(https://www.artizandesigns.com/images/img1135.jpg)
:)
Not dissimilar to this image.....
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Yup saw that one. I’ve just bought some Andalusian Moor archers/ crossbow and a pack of Berber spearmint from Artizan, and a pack of Turk heavy cavalry and a pack of dismounted Turks from Perry.
Enough to give me a reasonable choice of figures to make two retinues I feel.
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Sounds good, looking forward to seeing some piccys. If I ever decide to tickle up the Saracens, these lads look the bizzo...
(https://www.perry-miniatures.com/images/ma/ma28.jpg)
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Sounds good, looking forward to seeing some piccys. If I ever decide to tickle up the Saracens, these lads look the bizzo...
(https://www.perry-miniatures.com/images/ma/ma28.jpg)
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Sorry to go slightly OT.... one of my wishes for the Perry Crusade range is that they produce some 'Arab' heavy infantry as the models above are mostly Turkic.
One can dream..... maybe some plastic 'Arab' infantry for the 11th and 12th centuries one day :)
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Yup...thanks for showing them.....that’s the pack of dismounted I bought....now it will show up my mediocre painting! :?
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Stand 'em next to mine then they'll look right good!
:-[
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I did reply to Bob. I do have some Crusade stuff (both sides).
I will try & track them down over the weekend & let you know what I have,
however it sounds like you have lots already.
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I’m certainly covered now I think bud! Lol
Got home this afternoon to find postie had delivered my own copy of FFoL and my Fireforge mounted Templar and Sgt at arms sprues along with my Wargames illustated Balian figure!
A little disappointed with the Fireforge tbh......same horses and same knight bodies and same cloaks in each! The only difference between the boxes being differing heads and weapons / shield arms.....so much for variety!
Anyway, I will have a few spare if the guys need them.
Now....going to read my new rule book.....
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What do you reckon to the Wargames illustated Balian figure? I thought it was pretty poor the way the leg disappears above the knee!
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What do you reckon to the Wargames illustated Balian figure? I thought it was pretty poor the way the leg disappears above the knee!
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Doesn’t bother me too much, easily incorporated into the shadow....and I win whenever there is less to paint! ;)
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Popped together the first few figures.
I want to make homage to the picture in the opening post. Here's a start
(https://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b76/DigitsDavid/A%20Medieval%20Adventure/9E8C09FA-447B-43DB-979C-DE54FF47435D.jpeg)
I’ve also started on my fistful of sand band
(https://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b76/DigitsDavid/A%20Medieval%20Adventure/15F6F191-66A5-44A5-A4AD-AAF6B3075099.jpeg)
Not too sure yet, may elect to take grunts.
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Great start :)
Love that shooting bowman ;)
Yes, Fireforge are very cheeky. Many of their sets contain a lot of the same components as their other sets. In some cases, there’s not a huge amount of difference.
That said, I think the foot figures at least do provide the best raw material to facilitate creative kit-bashing of generic early medieval figures. And once you’ve bought a few of the different boxes, you do end up with a reasonable assortment of different bodies.
But I’ve always felt their repackaging of many of the same components into ‘different’ kits is a bit of a rip-off ::)
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Glad you recognise your bowman! :D
Yup, they are, and to call the one sprue a “ command sprue” is a real joke!
None the less, I’m not making as many as you fella so I can make enough variety for my purposes.
Best still, I have a few spare horse for the South Warwickshire posse if they need one.
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Excellent start :)
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Fire Forge are nice figures to paint & "campaign up"
(https://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn208/1815philip/Templars%2028mm/DSC03776_zps78289f13.jpg) (http://s305.photobucket.com/user/1815philip/media/Templars%2028mm/DSC03776_zps78289f13.jpg.html)
(https://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn208/1815philip/Templars%2028mm/DSC03779_zpsbb5c1e66.jpg) (http://s305.photobucket.com/user/1815philip/media/Templars%2028mm/DSC03779_zpsbb5c1e66.jpg.html)
On a Side note, Richard ( A Salute Freebie Figure 2003)
(https://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn208/1815philip/Templars%2028mm/DSC03578_zpsa34aa23a.jpg) (http://s305.photobucket.com/user/1815philip/media/Templars%2028mm/DSC03578_zpsa34aa23a.jpg.html)
You will end up getting the crusade bug. Here is my Salute game 1100 troops (700 Mounted) painted over a 3 year period!
(https://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn208/1815philip/Salute%202018/DSC01862_zpsnz08mugr.jpg) (https://s305.photobucket.com/user/1815philip/media/Salute%202018/DSC01862_zpsnz08mugr.jpg.html)
Good luck!
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I won’t be going that far I think! Good looking table though.
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I won’t be going that far I think!
That remind me, how tall are the trees in the Holy Land?
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Nope....not biting. I’m sure I have a bunch of plastic palms somewhere....
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Plastic palm trees, got millions (well about 20 )
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Plastic Flatpack?
Not real palm trees... It's a date then!
I'll get me coat.
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Oh dear ;D
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Indeed.
So I’m thinking a little Hollywood here. Regardless of what a crap film, and that’s with a capital C, the 2018 Robin Hood was, I am of a mind to change out the headware on a few archers for a shemagh or “desert” garb. I did like the look of them in the opening crusade elements of the film.
Yes, I know there were liberties taken with other dress (too modern looking etc) in the film, but, I defy anyone to tell me otherwise but I believe adopting the cooler more practical local headdress may well have occurred.
Besides, i think it will look the dogs! Ordered a few heads.
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Good man, Hollywood type bollix is just perfect for FFofL.
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Is it just me or are the photos missing?
Popped together the first few figures.
I want to make homage to the picture in the opening post. Here's a start
(https://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b76/DigitsDavid/A%20Medieval%20Adventure/9E8C09FA-447B-43DB-979C-DE54FF47435D.jpeg)
I’ve also started on my fistful of sand band
(https://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b76/DigitsDavid/A%20Medieval%20Adventure/15F6F191-66A5-44A5-A4AD-AAF6B3075099.jpeg)
Not too sure yet, may elect to take grunts.
Fire Forge are nice figures to paint & "campaign up"
(https://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn208/1815philip/Templars%2028mm/DSC03776_zps78289f13.jpg) (http://s305.photobucket.com/user/1815philip/media/Templars%2028mm/DSC03776_zps78289f13.jpg.html)
(https://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn208/1815philip/Templars%2028mm/DSC03779_zpsbb5c1e66.jpg) (http://s305.photobucket.com/user/1815philip/media/Templars%2028mm/DSC03779_zpsbb5c1e66.jpg.html)
On a Side note, Richard ( A Salute Freebie Figure 2003)
(https://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn208/1815philip/Templars%2028mm/DSC03578_zpsa34aa23a.jpg) (http://s305.photobucket.com/user/1815philip/media/Templars%2028mm/DSC03578_zpsa34aa23a.jpg.html)
You will end up getting the crusade bug. Here is my Salute game 1100 troops (700 Mounted) painted over a 3 year period!
(https://i305.photobucket.com/albums/nn208/1815philip/Salute%202018/DSC01862_zpsnz08mugr.jpg) (https://s305.photobucket.com/user/1815philip/media/Salute%202018/DSC01862_zpsnz08mugr.jpg.html)
Good luck!
Weirdly as I post this reply, I can see the link to Photobucket in the quotes but they don't appear in the text when posted.
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Well I can see both the originals and your duplicates so no idea!
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Well I can see both the originals and your duplicates so no idea!
Switched to a different computer and there they were. o_o o_o
I have to say that your crusaders are looking good. :-*
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Cheers but I need to do a little modification before I add paint. Hopefully they will look ok then.
I’m not happy with the lack of “clutter” on them. I doubt any crusader worth his salt, would not carry a water bottle / gourd to quench his thirst, nor would he be without a coin purse or some such. So these need adding along with a few bits of missing leather strapping etc.
As a reenactor, I come across lots of “ well there is no proof of that as we don’t have remains or woodcuttings” etc.....but you also need to use common sense.
I’m also toying with adding a little mail barding around the horses chests again from the opening picture.
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Excellent idea to add the extra details. Sometimes it’s these little things that make the figures really come to life. :)
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Remember, 'Absence of evidence is NOT evidence of absence'
As you know, Digits, people in 17th century paintings may well
be contemporary, but not as if on campaign. They were wearing
their Sunday best for the portrait.
Go with the added details. It, as has been said, 'Makes the figure
come to life'. I look forward to a conversion with the knight quenching
his thirst from a gourd/wine skin etc. with the obligatory peasant
holding his helmet.
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Exactly.....which is why I hate latchets! Damn silly idea on campaign!
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I like my latchets! Those big holes on the side let the water out.
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given it is the desert, a waterbag would be a given. while most of the major supplies would have been kept behind as part of a baggage train, along with the spare horses, i have a hard time believing that the troops wouldn't have carried at least a small waterbag with them.
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Agreed, goatskins definitely. We lived for a while in Algeria when I was young and I can recall lots of gourds growing and being used for many uses including water bottles. Easy to fashion from green stuff I think.
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Never mind all that crap about gourds and wotnot...
just make sure everyone's got a big chopper!!!
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Agreed, goatskins definitely. We lived for a while in Algeria when I was young and I can recall lots of gourds growing and being used for many uses including water bottles. Easy to fashion from green stuff I think.
maybe a small pouch on the belt as well. it wasn't uncommon for lesser knights to carry pouches of coins into battle. to bribe footsoldiers if they were wounded or captured. usually to prevent them from being killed, as a sort of 'down payment' on the ransom that would come later.
and probably just water bags. while Gourds were used as water storage in the region, gourds suited to that use were usually fairly large, and being stiff, hard to carry. there might well be gourds or more likely stoppered jars of water and wine with the baggage train, but the individual would likely have carried a softskin water bag for their own use.
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That makes sense. Even easier for gs me thinks. I may fashion a couple this weekend to see how they look.
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You could have a NPC servant with/without pack mule.
I remember (& may still have) a fantasy figure which was completely laden down
with just about everything, bow, bags, weapons & even a KITCHEN SINK!
It was a dig at those D&D players who have it all. It was sold as the 'Complete Adventurer'.
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Already ahead of you mate!
https://www.studiominiatures.com/shop/medieval-mayhem.html
I’ve already ordered Sir Galahad (and the French Castle Guard). The others had squires clutching their coconuts.....a bit too daft me thinks for this! Lol
As for the complete adventurer, yes I have him too somewhere....great mini.
I’m about to base and prime my Muslims so I can start painting them whilst I’m finishing the plastic models.
(https://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b76/DigitsDavid/A%20Medieval%20Adventure/010FFF3A-FDCD-4DC5-A65E-2063CA7309D6.jpeg)
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Looking good
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Been a while.....fell flat, got Covid, painted a shed load of Naps, built a Church, got into CoC and painted a few Germans.....but now I feel ready to get back and give this a go!
Slightly different vibe though.
I’m not actually so interested in painting Balian and his followers but actually like the idea of concentrating on a small force of Seljuk / Turkoman cavalry with a few Arabs/moors mixed in. I may even have a go at building a Bedouin style tent or two. I’m not buying any more though until I’ve painted the few I’ve got.
The few knights I have will simply get painted as Knight Hospitallers with a few mercenary archers / support.
I picked up a copy of Lion Rampant...so I doubt the Islamic force will end up more than 24 horse and a dozen foot. If I get to play it and enjoy it, then I can add alternate troop choices later.
Enough gabbing, I need to paint something.
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Good luck on this Digits.
I have a stack of desert buildings & Arab civilians (they are 25mm mainly, but I think
we can get away with them). Like Flatpack I too have palm trees. Also an Oasis pool.
Haven't come across my (unpainted) figures yet, but the sort out continues, so who knows.
Did send for the Crusader Lion Rampant rules from North Star.
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Good. Perhaps if we egg each other on we will get something approaching a game together. I will concentrate on the Islamic forces in that case.
I need to find a suitable figure to represent Imad ad-Din al-Isfahani, heavily fictionalised as played by Alexander Siddig in Kingdom of Heaven to lead my little chaps.
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/b76/DigitsDavid/9A1E4572_BDD1_4992_B813_2F1F2D26C54C.gif?width=1920&height=1080&fit=bounds)
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Something I’ve nearly got the figure for. Remember all those Saxon, well here’s the 1066 Norman’s.
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Ok, the butterfly in me has again flitted and landed once more on this disaster of a project. However, like a few of my projects, that’s often the way.
I have recently been drawn to “Baron’s War” and the supplement “Outremer” from Footsore. I have ordered the books and a handful of minis to get me started.
I realised that in making my desert scenery earlier this year, it is screaming out for a small hill top keep and a few dozen skirmishing crusaders / knights hospitalier scrapping over it.
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/b76/DigitsDavid/8E8D68E3-6A90-4553-9AC4-35A9B214B223.jpeg?width=960&height=720&fit=bounds)
Anyway, let’s see what happens….
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That terrain looks good. Perfect for an ambush.
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That terrain looks good. Perfect for an ambush.
I have to agree, it's a fabulous looking table set up you have there :-*
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God still wills it... lol
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God still wills it... lol
lol
I need to find a suitable figure to represent Imad ad-Din al-Isfahani, heavily fictionalised as played by Alexander Siddig in Kingdom of Heaven to lead my little chaps.
If you haven't found anything then maybe one of the Perry dismounted muslim cavalry will do?
https://www.perry-miniatures.com/product/ma28-dismounted-armoured-cavalryattacking-and-defending/ (https://www.perry-miniatures.com/product/ma28-dismounted-armoured-cavalryattacking-and-defending/)
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Nice gorges. The vultures are a lovely touch 8)
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Thanks!
Finally, my order from Footsore arrived today……time to start reading and assembling a small force…..
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/b76/DigitsDavid/IMG_1388.jpeg?width=960&height=720&fit=bounds)
Before 5hat though…I had to start with Balian, defender of Jerusalem, and his friend, the Hospitalier.
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/b76/DigitsDavid/IMG_1385.jpeg?width=960&height=720&fit=bounds)
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/b76/DigitsDavid/IMG_1386.jpeg?width=960&height=720&fit=bounds)
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I’m a little late to this part but I’ll wholeheartedly agree that the terrain looks excellent. :-* Did you get any of the caliphate figures from Footsore by the way? Been thinking about grabbing some but I don’t know the quality of the slightly older sculpts.
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Concentrating on a Hospitalier / pilgrim collection first.
I did however get the Mamluk Champion on foot and Forces of Islam Bannerman.
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Judging by what you achieve, nothing wrong with a 'Butterfly' approach.
Very well done David, & keep on 'flitting' ;)
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Concentrating on a Hospitalier / pilgrim collection first.
I did however get the Mamluk Champion on foot and Forces of Islam Bannerman.
Good to know! Looking forward to seeing them painted ;)
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A bit to go for that…..but my pilgrims finally turned up. I love the cart…a shame they have only released one though. The pilgrims are nice minis and I may buy a pack of Perrys clergy to bolster their numbers.
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/b76/DigitsDavid/IMG_4618.jpeg?width=960&height=720&fit=bounds)
I have made a start on the Hospitalliers……well, their horses anyway!
(https://hosting.photobucket.com/images/b76/DigitsDavid/IMG_4619.jpeg?width=960&height=720&fit=bounds)
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If you are after more pilgrims, Eureka Miniatures just announced a set based on the Canterbury Tales. Probably not exactly what you are after since many of them are on horseback, but it would add some variety.
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I will check those out….thanks!
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I think they are only just cutting the moulds now, so drop them a line to see when they will be available.
I will check those out….thanks!