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Miniatures Adventure => The Conflicts that came in from the Cold => Topic started by: bobhope on May 23, 2020, 12:53:10 PM
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So this is going to be a slow burner
Which is still in the scoping and acquiring lumps of metal phase
Been looking for a while for a modernish skirmish game- which isn’t asymmetrical, the goal being - small reasonably balanced forces, troops with similar kit, infantry focused
And the chance to game attacker/defender/encounters and missions for both sides
Which basically means South Georgia 1982
Aim will be platoon level force for both sides
& a few extras (Landing craft, landies, helos, sub conning towers, elephant seals...)
Few tin sheds and jetties etc for tabletop
Prevaricated a while before sticking with 28mm - basically because I like painting at the scale
May make helos tricky :/
Started with a few Gripping Beast R Marines (which arrived in 48hrs!!)
In the metal they’re far nicer than they look on the web
Time to get practicing camo...
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Those minis do look nice, I'll be watching this with interest.
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Yes - an interesting one to watch. Like the photo as well; I much prefer the eighties 'tache look to today's tatts.... :D
Doug
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Deffo the ‘Gringo Tache’ the better look. Sadly, at that point in my career as a young Trooper , I could only manage bum fluff on me top lip! 😬😬
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I like the look of those figures. Great idea for a project. Will follow with interest.
Those with a nervous disposition, look away now!
I had a go at a 'tache, not too successful, in the '80s! :o
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I will be interested to see how this goes.
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The good old KF Shirt ..... horrendous! 😳😩😩😩
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The good old KF Shirt ..... horrendous! 😳😩😩😩
Yeah, I started scratching just looking at that photo - and it wasn't due to the 'tache. >:(
I was giving my first aid kit a clear-out a couple of years ago and found a packet of circular plasters that I'd bought in 1989 as nipple-protectors...
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Yeah, I started scratching just looking at that photo - and it wasn't due to the 'tache. >:(
I was giving my first aid kit a clear-out a couple of years ago and found a packet of circular plasters that I'd bought in 1989 as nipple-protectors...
They were good when worn in for a couple of years lol better than those crisp packet things that replaced them anyway.
I digress, really looking forward to how this turns out, especially looking forward to the terrain, rocks, snow, wriggly tin huts, half sunk submarines.
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Bugger the sub’s conning tower you want a whole Drummond class corvette to use as an anti-armour target. ;D
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You probably know anyway, but that photo of the blokes on the jetty is a colourised one. I thought it looked odd then realised I've seen it loads of times in B&W. It's not that good, apologies if you're the colouriser.
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You probably know anyway, but that photo of the blokes on the jetty is a colourised one. I thought it looked odd then realised I've seen it loads of times in B&W. It's not that good, apologies if you're the colouriser.
yep very dodgy colouring, not mine but the photo does set the character pretty well
Bugger the sub’s conning tower you want a whole Drummond class corvette to use as an anti-armour target. ;D
So tempting, and maybe one day... for starters though -given the size of table I’m looking at, have arbitrarily planned to replace the naval forces of 2 countries with 1 LCM doing service under 2 flags
The photo below of Grytviken basically just says “tabletop”
Again very arbitrarily will model the scenery around it - 4 1-2ft square boards that can see service elsewhere - rusty industry, jetty’s,tin sheds and open ground
Sourced a 1/48 Wessex for Humphrey, struggling somewhat with finding a Puma- and may have to switch out for a Huey or Lynx
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Heller do (or did) a 1/48th Puma kit. I know because the bloody things kept coming up in search results on eBay when I was looking for 1/100th Pumas for my South Africans. So have a look on eBay, but search for '1/48 SA330 Puma' or you'll just get wall-to-wall listings of Sdkfz 234/2 Puma.
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Actually, the Heller Puma, like much of their earlier stuff is listed as 1/50.
There’s also a Solido diecast Puma which purports to be 1/50 but is apparently much smaller.
On the subject of Falklands era choppers, Solido do a very nice diecast 1/50 Gazelle, which really is 1/50, I have a pair of them.
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The photo below of Grytviken basically just says “tabletop”
Again very arbitrarily will model the scenery around it - 4 1-2ft square boards that can see service elsewhere - rusty industry, jetty’s,tin sheds and open ground
When I first saw the photo I thought it was a tabletop layout!
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First test camo trial done- no matt varnish so shiny as!
Very saturated palette for more Hollywood style, may well revert to normal for the rest
Heller do (or did) a 1/48th Puma kit. I know because the bloody things kept coming up in search results on eBay when I was looking for 1/100th Pumas for my South Africans. So have a look on eBay, but search for '1/48 SA330 Puma' or you'll just get wall-to-wall listings of Sdkfz 234/2 Puma.
Thanks- been trying to track one down but no success yet...
Basically to replicate the photo below
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Inspired by you .....
Me and my mate Spike threw this together today ...
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Lovely table!
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Very lovely table! I’m going to steal some ideas there - thanks for sharing
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Rather nice indeed! 20mm, 1/72?
Who maketh the patrol boat?
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Thanks Lads.
28mm .
We use the Beast figures too. Sorry, forget what make the boat is will try to source again.
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Hmmm, so is that a 1/48 Fujimi Wasp? You lucky beggar, I’ve been hunting one for ages to convert into a Scout.
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Bit of progress on the “generic landing craft”
Definitely not one for rivet counting- holds 20odd marines so it’ll do the job
Hmmm, so is that a 1/48 Fujimi Wasp? You lucky beggar, I’ve been hunting one for ages to convert into a Scout.
- very jealous of that - though there’s one out in December from S&M
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That’ll do nicely 👍
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Bit more progress sat in the sunshine
- Landing craft at gloss stage ready for weathering up
- couple of trial boards knocked together - rickety jetty and rusty hulk ( salvaged from water lining the landing craft)
Will keep the boards fairly flat for storage I think
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There are several minutes footage of the Argentine "scrap metal merchants" in Grytviken at the start of this Video (in Spanish). First 6 or 7 minutes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLvmLBnycHM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLvmLBnycHM)
Shows how much of the old whaling and whale oil facilities were still standing in 1982, very different to the image above.
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There are several minutes footage of the Argentine "scrap metal merchants" in Grytviken at the start of this Video (in Spanish). First 6 or 7 minutes:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLvmLBnycHM (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLvmLBnycHM)
Shows how much of the old whaling and whale oil facilities were still standing in 1982, very different to the image above.
Good video that, and yes does show the change well
Photo below was part of original inspiration for getting started
shows the same large factory area still standing in 1982
Newer photos look more like “King Edward point station- which is how I justify some compromise ;)
Bit of colour on some boards - still a long way to go with gloss and dry brush and scrub etc :/
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And photo of rusty landing craft on the beach in South Georgia- again I’m sure post 1982 but still :)
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Compromise is going to be inevitable on pretty much any gaming layout and ending up with something that can be re-used for other games is absolutely the best way to approach it.
I reckon there are 3 or 4 historical Falklands War scenarios that scenery like this would work for, more if you can add in more habitable areas.
I am following your progress with interest, I had been collecting ideas for doing something similar with my 10mm Falklands forces, they are pretty fed up fighting over the same bunch of rocky hillsides and could do with a trip to the coast.
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First couple of boards starting to look less rubbish
Slow work putting together the Revell Wessex
Loads of filling and paper clip reinforcing to try and make it strong enough to game with (if it doesn’t take an early flight out the window)
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That rusty hull section is wonderful!
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If you're interested in a Junglie's view of the conflict have a read of Scram!: The Gripping First-hand Account of the Helicopter War in the Falklands by Harry Benson - a mate of mine gets a few mentions due to his propensity for crashing Wessex - in very bad weather in his defence.
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Great to see the Falklands conflict get a look in. Fantastic table!
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If you're interested in a Junglie's view of the conflict have a read of Scram!: The Gripping First-hand Account of the Helicopter War in the Falklands by Harry Benson - a mate of mine gets a few mentions due to his propensity for crashing Wessex - in very bad weather in his defence.
not seen that one - will seek it out, thanks for the recommendation 👍
Finished the shiny on first board, got sidetracked with other stuff so not much further progress otherwise...
Will mock up an bit more coastline this week - suitably flexible enough to do for Norway 1940 or some commando Raids
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That looks really terrific. 👍👍👍
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Excellent looking project ;)
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Nice work on that rusty hull
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Anyone know if the OP "bobhope" is still around here? No recent login, but I am wondering if there were any more updates on this scenery set?
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Don't know, but thanks for giving this a bump so it came up for me to see. Great project!
Mike Demana
http://leadlegionaries.blogspot.com/
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If you're interested in a Junglie's view of the conflict have a read of Scram!: The Gripping First-hand Account of the Helicopter War in the Falklands by Harry Benson - a mate of mine gets a few mentions due to his propensity for crashing Wessex - in very bad weather in his defence.
lol lol lol
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so... 3yrs later and finally got some more of this done
got stuck after the first test figure-took far too long, didnt really work, so went to the bottom drawer
dug them back out last week, settled on a quicker way to get the marines looking someway acceptable
most of the boards for this got used for other games in the end, and the marines more likely to see service fighting Daleks and Cybermen, but happy they're out of the drawers,
will put in an order for some Argentinian troops when next shopping, should hopefully be a little quicker to paint...
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Nicely done 8)
Glad you have returned to this, as I had missed it first time around.
Long ago I thought about a game based on the Argentine capture of South Georgia, but just never got around to it; having to start from scratch. There is a small local link in that I was born in the same town as Lt Keith Mills, who led the defence with 'Mills Marauders'. Very interested to see if you return to develop the original project.
If you don't already have a copy, try and find 'Operation Paraquat: The Battle for South Georgia by Roger Perkins, 1986. (ISBN: 0-9482-5113-1) Lots of useful info but not sure how easy (or cheap) it is to get now https://wiganlanebooks.co.uk/books/military/royal-navy/operation-paraquat-the-battle-for-south-georgia/
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I'm watching this thread with interest. I'm sure it will give me ideas to help my British take on Zona Alfa, set in the same era.
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Nice project! (when I read the topic name, I assumed either a modern ACW or a Caucasian conflict- geographers need to be more creative regarding the names I guess :P )
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Glad you came back to this.
Great topic, and you’ve done a brill job on those marines.
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Glad you're back on this project
As others have said - lovely job on the marines
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Good to see the project sill growing - nice work on the marines 8)
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Great job on those Marines! They oughta give the Argentines some fits!
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Quick test batch of some Argentine special forces
Very nice relaxing figures to paint
Plan to run with a very generic look, that can stand for 1980’s mercenaries and “bad guys”/heavies in other settings
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There’s also a Solido diecast Puma which purports to be 1/50 but is apparently much smaller.
Actually, they have both a 1/50 and a 1/100 version, packaged virtually identically.
Very easy to confuse the two. Ask me how I know... ::)
Anyway; anyone in the market for a 1/100 Puma? :D
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Those Argies look good, too. And it looks like they could indeed be used for generic bad-guy types...
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The Argies do look the part - and absolutely suitable for 70's - 80's generic henchmen I think. Probably scale well with the likes of Crooked Dice, I suspect?
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They do look good, although you might want to touch up the carry handles on the FALs, they were black plastic. Easy to miss when dry brushing the metal bits.
I've not seen ay photos of the Argentine marines on South Georgia but the famous surrender photo of the equally infamous Alfredo Astiz shows him wearing the marine woodland knock off camo. Astiz was a sailor so p'raps he had more latidude in dress.
I always thought the Solido Puma was 1/80. Heller made a fairly basic (wargamer basic) 1/50 Puma but they go for silly money these days. If anyone has a photo of the Solido one next to 28mm figures I'd be keen to see it.
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Turns out mine is not Solido, but Verem, although I've always been under the impression those two were somehow linked.
It's 17,8cm long, which is substantially longer than the 15,5cm it should be at 1/100, but when put next to a Team Yankee miniature, it looks perfectly fine to my eye; I've been in them and they're not small helicopters.
I bought this one thinking it was the 1/50 one, to go with a Dutch army project in 28mm, but after receiving it I saw I had fallen to my own wishful thinking ::)
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Turns out mine is not Solido, but Verem, although I've always been under the impression those two were somehow linked.
For all practical purposes they are the same. Verem was a Solido owned brand, which if Wiki is to be believed, utilised the older Solido dies. I have Verem and Solido models that are near identical, save for the name. It probably explains why some of the Verem models were a bit cheaper than the Solido counterparts.