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Miniatures Adventure => Age of the Big Battalions => Topic started by: Ray Rivers on July 12, 2020, 06:03:43 PM
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Here is my first wack at 10mm miniatures. They come from the Pendraken Franco Prussian War and are French Infantry:
(https://i.imgur.com/I2j4LmL.jpg)
(https://i.imgur.com/PJupXLM.jpg)
They were a hoot to paint and I really enjoyed them.
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Nicely done :)
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Those are great, Ray!
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Agree. You have done a great job on them.
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Beautiful! Very well done!!!
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Here is a close up, but I did it by hand, so it is fairly blurry..
(https://i.imgur.com/LjKn1QV.jpg)
Been awhile since I used flock and it came out so so. Hopefully the bases will be better next time.
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They are great! 10mm is a good scale for big battalions.
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Welcome to the 10mm club!
Those have come out very well indeed. Great work.
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Welcome to the 10mm club!
:)
It's insane but I am thinking about increasing my regiment size from 18 to 30.
Can't stress enough how much fun these are to paint. The detailing is amazing. Pendraken's ACW and AWI ranges are also really well sculpted.
Never done AWI before... hmm....
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Really nice work! :-* 8) :-*
What size are the bases?
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What size are the bases?
They are 30mm x 30mm pre-cut mdf bases from Pendraken. You could do it with 25x25 (8mm per figure). I went back and forth about the size of the base, but in the end I prefer to have a bit of room for my minis (so I can jazz up the base a bit), although I realize that many folks like their troops in dense formations. Most of the armies I have seen like to base their troops shoulder to shoulder... so I am a bit odd in that respect.
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Very nice. What rules do you plan to use?
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Amazing Ray. They look great. That’s very detailed painting for such tiny figures.
Your poor eyes! ::) lol
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What rules do you plan to use?
Not sure to be quite honest, but I'm leaning towards 1871. The unit level I want to play is regimental. I've looked at a number of different rules, but I can't say for sure.
Overall though, I'm not too bothered as I am more a collector than a gamer. That is not to say that I don't like gaming, but the opportunity is very limited where I live.
BTW!
Thanks for all the great comments. I really appreciate them.
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Amazing Ray. They look great. That’s very detailed painting for such tiny figures.
Your poor eyes! ::) lol
Thanks Richard!
You should have said "Your poor old eyes!" lol
Actually I was astonished at the level of detail on the minis, which makes them actually fairly easy to paint. The command figures though drove me crazy with all the detail.
Also, of course, my optivsor helps quite a bit. ;)
BTW... did you see the ear on that drummer?
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Excellent! I started painting Pendraken ACW two years ago and absolutely love them. Yours are far better than mine.
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World's top wargames company.
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World's top wargames company.
I knew you'd say that. :D
Top notch painting Mr Rivers!!
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Thanks folk! You make me happy! :)
Yours are far better than mine.
You know, I remember 45 years ago when I painted my first 15mm minis. They were from the ACW and had just a basic paint job. The Yanks had light blue pants, deep blue coats and flesh for the hands and face. There was no shading or highlighting, but I still remember how proud I was of those minis. I showed them to anyone who would look.
Enjoy your hobby and rest assured, if you want, you will get better at it over time. I guarantee it.
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BTW... did you see the ear on that drummer?
I noticed that ;)
I’m expecting to see the fingernails on the next batch lol
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They look great. If you are going to put more figures into a battalion then could I suggest you cram them in more rather than make your battalion bigger? They look a little spread out at the minute. eg could you fit four wide onto a base?
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could you fit four wide onto a base?
Yep, 4 would fit, but just barely. That actually makes more sense as it would give me 8 per base, 3 bases, 24 men per regiment. That is a much more standard basing scheme. Perhaps I will try that on my next regiment and see how they look.
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I think you will have no trouble getting 4 of the riflemen on the frontage, as they are sidewise on. But for the command figures who are front on, 4 across may be tricky. You could of course just have 3 in the front rank of that base.
I have found with 10mm the number of figures you can fit in a given frontage can vary quite a bit - but this is rarely a problem, as the number of figures is far more about the aesthetic look of the unit than any strict figure ratio. As once they are based up and on the table, its pretty hard to count the number of figures!!
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I think you will have no trouble getting 4 of the riflemen on the frontage, as they are sidewise on. But for the command figures who are front on, 4 across may be tricky. You could of course just have 3 in the front rank of that base.
I have found with 10mm the number of figures you can fit in a given frontage can vary quite a bit - but this is rarely a problem, as the number of figures is far more about the aesthetic look of the unit than any strict figure ratio. As once they are based up and on the table, its pretty hard to count the number of figures!!
True enough.
The minis in this regiment are "en garde" I believe you call it, so yep they are sideways and the base kinda looks a little sparse. The other line minis are running and charging, so they will have their shoulders fully front facing and I think they will fill the base much better. You also have firing miniatures which are kinda half and half.
You see the problem is trying to represent the organization of the time. Bases, not miniature numbers are the basic way of determining unit size. In this case each base represents 1 battalion of infantry and 3 bases represents 1 regiment. Cavalry have approximately 1/3rd the amount of men in a regiment than infantry (one base of 6 men). So 3 cavalry figures on 2 bases will work well for a regiment (6 cavalrymen in total). Each Corps also had a battalion of Chasseurs... which is once again 1/3rd the amount of men in a regiment. The Chasseurs come in running and firing poses and my plan is to have one base of 6 men running (for movement and normal in line duty) and 3 bases of 2 men firing to represent the battalion in open formation. That is the plan.
I could have done this with a 25mm wide base, but the figures would have been packed in; especially the cavalry. So in the end it comes down to what esthetic you like the most and I choose more spacing so I can see the troops and at the same time have a nice base.
So for me personally, I really like the way the regiment is presented, it's just my style.
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cracking job :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
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cracking job
You're a sweetie! ;)
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BTW... does anybody have any information on French battalion fanions?
For the life of me I can't seem to pin this down.
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True enough.
The minis in this regiment are "en garde" I believe you call it, so yep they are sideways and the base kinda looks a little sparse. The other line minis are running and charging, so they will have their shoulders fully front facing and I think they will fill the base much better. You also have firing miniatures which are kinda half and half.
You see the problem is trying to represent the organization of the time. Bases, not miniature numbers are the basic way of determining unit size. In this case each base represents 1 battalion of infantry and 3 bases represents 1 regiment. Cavalry have approximately 1/3rd the amount of men in a regiment than infantry (one base of 6 men). So 3 cavalry figures on 2 bases will work well for a regiment (6 cavalrymen in total). Each Corps also had a battalion of Chasseurs... which is once again 1/3rd the amount of men in a regiment. The Chasseurs come in running and firing poses and my plan is to have one base of 6 men running (for movement and normal in line duty) and 3 bases of 2 men firing to represent the battalion in open formation. That is the plan.
I could have done this with a 25mm wide base, but the figures would have been packed in; especially the cavalry. So in the end it comes down to what esthetic you like the most and I choose more spacing so I can see the troops and at the same time have a nice base.
So for me personally, I really like the way the regiment is presented, it's just my style.
Now you have explained this, I very much like your basing style. I have a suggestion though: how about making two bases a battalion instead of one? And having a Regimental HQ base? So a whole regiment of 3 battalions would be seven 30 x 30 bases including a pretty HQ. The idea of that is that you can have a very simple representation of casualty removal when a battalion gets knocked about a bit and is down to half strength. Would that fit in with the rules you intend to use?
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I don’t know how you achieve that level of paintwork on such small minis fella...amazing!
As for a French fandoms, presumably they would have similar scheme to that used in the Napoleonic wars?
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I don’t know how you achieve that level of paintwork on such small minis fella...amazing!
As for a French fandoms, presumably they would have similar scheme to that used in the Napoleonic wars?
Thanks mate. If you had one of these miniatures, I don't think you would find it hard to paint. You have to adjust your style a bit, but they aren't really difficult.
As for the fanions, I just can't find a source to confirm what they looked like. The Napoleonic ones are well known and easy to track down.
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Now you have explained this, I very much like your basing style. I have a suggestion though: how about making two bases a battalion instead of one? And having a Regimental HQ base? So a whole regiment of 3 battalions would be seven 30 x 30 bases including a pretty HQ. The idea of that is that you can have a very simple representation of casualty removal when a battalion gets knocked about a bit and is down to half strength. Would that fit in with the rules you intend to use?
That is an interesting idea actually.
Just thinking out loud here... given that "HQ bases" don't count towards the Regimental strength, the chasseurs would have 2 bases and a HQ, and the cavalry would have 4 bases and a HQ. Have to figure out how that effects artillery as one base is a battery... I guess it would be 2 bases.
Aesthetically that could look very nice. I could include a mounted figure on the HQ base, for example. And the HQ bases could be placed in front of the unit. The regiments would be huge... 18cm/7inches in length. :o But the bonus here is that chasseurs and cavalry would actually look like real units and to be quite honest, having one base representing a chasseur unit is not very pleasing to me.
You know, of course, this goes completely counter to the idea of using smaller minis and smaller units so that you can get more on the battlefield.
As for the rules, Black Powder might be more appropriate.
Have to give this a bit of thought.
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As for the fanions, I just can't find a source to confirm what they looked like. The Napoleonic ones are well known and easy to track down.
Actually I don’t think they would apply. Found this that takes the French to 1848 and fanions has evolved to incorporate tricolour.
http://tmg110.tripod.com/frarmy10.htm
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That is an interesting idea actually.
Just thinking out loud here... given that "HQ bases" don't count towards the Regimental strength, the chasseurs would have 2 bases and a HQ, and the cavalry would have 4 bases and a HQ. Have to figure out how that effects artillery as one base is a battery... I guess it would be 2 bases.
Aesthetically that could look very nice. I could include a mounted figure on the HQ base, for example. And the HQ bases could be placed in front of the unit. The regiments would be huge... 18cm/7inches in length. :o But the bonus here is that chasseurs and cavalry would actually look like real units and to be quite honest, having one base representing a chasseur unit is not very pleasing to me.
You know, of course, this goes completely counter to the idea of using smaller minis and smaller units so that you can get more on the battlefield.
As for the rules, Black Powder might be more appropriate.
Have to give this a bit of thought.
Artillery battery would be easy! Gun and crew on one base, limber on the other...I do think the two-base battalion idea is so much more pleasing visually, it would be rectangular and suggest an attacking line better than a single square base. And of course, you can represent column as well... Your chasseurs and cavalry would look great.
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Actually I don’t think they would apply. Found this that takes the French to 1848 and fanions has evolved to incorporate tricolour.
http://tmg110.tripod.com/frarmy10.htm
Yep, that is what I think they look like for the 2nd Empire as well.
Thanks, BTW.
Funny, I have a book on Napoleon III and the 2nd Empire which is pretty much all paintings and photos of actual uniforms. It ends at 1869. I guess they kinda just want to forget about what happened the following year.... lol
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I'm finishing up another batch of these little buggers... Still have the kepis and rifles to do. Here is a WIP shot where you can see that yes, indeed, they all have ears. :D
(https://i.imgur.com/sc5Y8Zb.png)
lol
@Captain Blood: The finger nails are next! ;)
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I love the white spats best!
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@Captain Blood: The finger nails are next! ;)
Well you've managed the fingers, Ray. In this scale, that's incredible enough :o
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Beautiful work Ray. Love the wee detail on these miniatures.
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Ooh, franco-prussian war. Very, very pretty minis there, especially the flag makes the unit!
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@vodkafan - I like the spats too. The French have some really nice uniforms for this war.
@Helen - Thanks, very much!
@Captain Bloodling - The fingers, like a lot of the other details, is kinda hit or miss. I take a stab at it and whatever happens, happens. Sometimes they come out really well, sometimes I end up with 3 instead of 4... whatever. At this scale, you take it as it comes.
@Battle Brush Sigur - Yes... those flags were tough. I painted up 6 regular solders first to see if I would like them and after that I decided to paint all the command figures that came with the army deal... 5 officers, 5 drummers and 5 flag bearers. I think what I like best is the bow and the streamers that are attached to the top of the pole.
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lovely work :-* :-* :-*
but I can't get my head around the size?
Any chance of a photo against more normal scale 15 mm, 20 mm or 28 mm
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Sure, Mac.
Here you are:
(https://i.imgur.com/d2jaqkW.jpg)
An overexposed, rapidisimos photo... 28mm Naval Officer, 10mm French, 18 mm Cavalry.
Pretty amazing the amount of detail in those 10mm chaps, isn't it?
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Indeed! And you did an excellent paintjob!
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Great photo thanks :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
it shows how good your painting is
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it shows how good your painting is
Actually I think they show how well the figures are sculpted and cast. I didn't paint anything that wasn't there.
But thanks, for sure! And you too Din!