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Title: Iron Duke Miniatures Basotho Wars range
Post by: Mike1879 on July 29, 2020, 09:18:26 PM
First sneaky peak at some of the figures in their New Basotho wars range.
Mounted Basotho warriors and Infantry of the 43rd (Monmouthshire regt)
on show. Loads more to follow. Superb sculpts from the very talented Mr Paul Hicks.
Title: Re: Iron Duke Miniatures Basotho Wars range
Post by: Romark on July 29, 2020, 09:45:01 PM
Lovely sculpts   :-*
Title: Re: Iron Duke Miniatures Basotho Wars range
Post by: Atheling on July 29, 2020, 09:50:05 PM
Outstanding work from Mike and Paul  :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :o :o

I've been glued to the Iron Duke Facebook page of late. I'm there three or four times a day!

Some of the detail that Paul has pulled out of the hat for some of the helmet work is unbelievable.  o_o o_o o_o
Title: Re: Iron Duke Miniatures Basotho Wars range
Post by: Mike1879 on July 29, 2020, 10:15:07 PM
Visit the site myself several times a day to check on updates. Agree the detail on the helmets for their Sikh wars range is outstanding!!
Title: Re: Iron Duke Miniatures Basotho Wars range
Post by: Atheling on July 30, 2020, 08:48:26 AM
Visit the site myself several times a day to check on updates. Agree the detail on the helmets for their Sikh wars range is outstanding!!

You must be more excited than the rest of us!  :)
Title: Re: Iron Duke Miniatures Basotho Wars range
Post by: Captain Blood on July 30, 2020, 08:53:03 AM
My word, but those British infantry are superb. Mr Hicks has excelled himself with those  :-*
Title: Re: Iron Duke Miniatures Basotho Wars range
Post by: Diablo Jon on July 30, 2020, 08:55:55 AM
Oohhh nice miniatures. I hope there are some Sotho-Tswana warriors on foot coming. I'd really like to convert them into Sebetwane and his Makololo.
Title: Re: Iron Duke Miniatures Basotho Wars range
Post by: juergen c. olk on July 30, 2020, 09:01:15 AM
I can;t wait.They had warbands of as many as 6-to 1o thousand cav..Will go well with my Perry Cape frontier units. ..also Gov.Cathcart from Iron Duke.
Title: Re: Iron Duke Miniatures Basotho Wars range
Post by: Atheling on July 30, 2020, 09:56:06 AM
Absolutely stunning..... word fail  :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: Iron Duke Miniatures Basotho Wars range
Post by: carlos marighela on July 30, 2020, 11:21:43 AM
Thanks for the heads up! The Cheshires for Scinde are superb. Whether I would ever run to making a full Baluchi army is another matter.

I do hope ID does some greated coated types for Gandamak, I’d happily buy some to replace the rather lacklustre Studio Miniatures ones I have. The really odd thing about that range being that Paul did some excellent personality figures but someone else did the infantry.
Title: Re: Iron Duke Miniatures Basotho Wars range
Post by: DoctorPete on July 30, 2020, 11:36:17 PM
These are just lovely, aren't they.  I think there are some mounted Africans in my future.   :)
Title: Re: Iron Duke Miniatures Basotho Wars range
Post by: Andy Tee on July 31, 2020, 12:04:10 AM
What on earth is that cavalry chap in the 3rd picture up to. I’m no expert in 19th century weapons, but I’m reasonably certain the barrel is usually pointing the other way.
Title: Re: Iron Duke Miniatures Basotho Wars range
Post by: italwars on July 31, 2020, 01:26:25 AM
Hello
I’m not expert on early 19c British Army ..but those minis are nice ..as I already have some Afghan/MWF tribesmen and even some few Xhosas ..do you think those British infantry could be used also against the above mentioned foes? ..in fact I’m looking ,as a distraction for my late 19c colonials projects , a British infantry type for a pair of units that could be fielded possibly against xhosas, afghans and in case also against early boers ..could those ID beautiful minis do ?
Thanks
Title: Re: Iron Duke Miniatures Basotho Wars range
Post by: marco55 on July 31, 2020, 02:10:13 AM
Great looking minis.Mike Snook does some great ranges and you can be sure it won't be just a pack or 2.I could probably spend 10-20,000 thousand dollars on all the great miniatures out there. :-* ;D
Mark
Title: Re: Iron Duke Miniatures Basotho Wars range
Post by: juergen c. olk on July 31, 2020, 02:38:15 AM
Andy Tee ,the fellow on the horse is reloading thee Musket on the fly,while riding..common practice.They were poor shots .But they were not inclined to dismount ,like their Boer counter parts,The boers fired from and reloaded in the saddle ,but were expert shots  and in the early years used a very large caliber slug,
Title: Re: Iron Duke Miniatures Basotho Wars range
Post by: Rogerc on July 31, 2020, 01:48:41 PM
Must......resist.....another....fantastci.....range agghhh
Title: Re: Iron Duke Miniatures Basotho Wars range
Post by: Atheling on July 31, 2020, 01:49:43 PM
Must......resist.....another....fantastci.....range agghhh

I just gave up and allowed the seduction to take it's coarse!  lol

Sometimes, one does not have a choice  :)
Title: Re: Iron Duke Miniatures Basotho Wars range
Post by: Mike1879 on July 31, 2020, 04:30:23 PM
Yes the Basotho on horseback is loading the musket by spitting the ball down the Barrel. The British infantry can be used to fight the Xhosa as this regiment the 43rd were involved in the Cape Frontier wars. Mike Snook has stated that they will be casting Xhosa as well as Basotho for this range.
Title: Re: Iron Duke Miniatures Basotho Wars range
Post by: Andy Tee on July 31, 2020, 07:05:28 PM
Thanks for the info. Very informative.
Title: Re: Iron Duke Miniatures Basotho Wars range
Post by: Plynkes on July 31, 2020, 07:11:47 PM
Seems to me like a good way to lose all your front teeth if your horse stumbles on a rock or a Cape Cobra slithers out from under a bush.  :)

Title: Re: Iron Duke Miniatures Basotho Wars range
Post by: Diablo Jon on July 31, 2020, 08:02:19 PM
If spitting the ball down the barrel of the musket is good enough for Messrs Sharpe and Harper its good enough for me... though I never saw the afore mentioned gentleman trying to do it on horseback.

I feel like that miniature needs to be converted to carry one of these

(http://www.drinkstuff.com/productimg/93286_large.jpg)
Title: Re: Iron Duke Miniatures Basotho Wars range
Post by: Rogerc on July 31, 2020, 10:20:42 PM
I imagine they will mix pretty well with Perrys Cape Wars range too, I am already feeling myself sliding towards this cliff edge!
Title: Re: Iron Duke Miniatures Basotho Wars range
Post by: Atheling on July 31, 2020, 11:38:34 PM
I imagine they will mix pretty well with Perrys Cape Wars range too, I am already feeling myself sliding towards this cliff edge!

It seems inevitable  :)
Title: Re: Iron Duke Miniatures Basotho Wars range
Post by: Oldboy on August 01, 2020, 07:02:35 AM
A very interesting range and yes probably 'inevitable'!
Can anyone ,please, recommend suitable reading matter to give me a flavour?
thank you F
Title: Re: Iron Duke Miniatures Basotho Wars range
Post by: Diablo Jon on August 01, 2020, 07:22:03 AM
A very interesting range and yes probably 'inevitable'!
Can anyone ,please, recommend suitable reading matter to give me a flavour?
thank you F

Maybe try this
https://www.perry-miniatures.com/product_info.php?cPath=25&products_id=3493&osCsid=g9v0qld8a81hedlmiqu9far4h0
 (https://www.perry-miniatures.com/product_info.php?cPath=25&products_id=3493&osCsid=g9v0qld8a81hedlmiqu9far4h0)

Also Iron Duke Miniatures has some historical notes on the website to whet the appetite here

https://www.irondukeminiatures.co.uk/orange-river  (https://www.irondukeminiatures.co.uk/orange-river)




Title: Re: Iron Duke Miniatures Basotho Wars range
Post by: Atheling on August 01, 2020, 07:31:55 AM

Also Iron Duke Miniatures has some historical notes on the website to whet the appetite here

https://www.irondukeminiatures.co.uk/orange-river  (https://www.irondukeminiatures.co.uk/orange-river)

A lot of info in Volume I. I don't own Volume II so cannot comment further.
Title: Re: Iron Duke Miniatures Basotho Wars range
Post by: RedRowan on August 01, 2020, 09:57:48 AM
A very interesting range and yes probably 'inevitable'!
Can anyone ,please, recommend suitable reading matter to give me a flavour?
thank you F

I think it is set a little later, but I found 'Harry Smith's Last Throw' an interesting read.

Steve
Title: Re: Iron Duke Miniatures Basotho Wars range
Post by: Oldboy on August 01, 2020, 12:56:05 PM
Thank you. Did not think to look on the Perry site.
F
Title: Re: Iron Duke Miniatures Basotho Wars range
Post by: juergen c. olk on August 01, 2020, 09:31:23 PM
Also the Wedding feast War by Harry smith..also excellent.
Title: Re: Iron Duke Miniatures Basotho Wars range
Post by: Atheling on August 01, 2020, 10:29:43 PM
Also the Wedding feast War by Harry smith..also excellent.

Fiction?
Title: Re: Iron Duke Miniatures Basotho Wars range
Post by: Plynkes on August 02, 2020, 11:43:48 AM
Fiction?

Non-fiction, about the 9th Xhosa war (1877-88), but it is by Keith Smith, not Harry Smith. Harry Smith was somebody entirely else, as I'm sure juergen knows, and it was almost certainly just a typo.  :)

Title: Re: Iron Duke Miniatures Basotho Wars range
Post by: juergen c. olk on August 02, 2020, 12:38:08 PM
Yes ..sorry ,,thanx Plynkes.
Title: Re: Iron Duke Miniatures Basotho Wars range
Post by: Atheling on August 02, 2020, 12:55:46 PM
Yes ..sorry ,,thanx Plynkes.

Good job I figured that out then  :)

I also ordered The Wedding Feast War- both these books ought to be a fine complement to Cape Warriors Volume I and II which I already own.
Title: Re: Iron Duke Miniatures Basotho Wars range
Post by: Plynkes on August 02, 2020, 02:04:28 PM
The last one mentioned covers a different period to the Perry book. Gaming-wise an outing for your Zulu War Brits, rather than the Horse and Musket guys of the earlier period. But yes, definitely compliments it in the sense that the Perry brothers have not covered this later period.


Title: Re: Iron Duke Miniatures Basotho Wars range
Post by: Atheling on August 02, 2020, 03:57:55 PM
The last one mentioned covers a different period to the Perry book. Gaming-wise an outing for your Zulu War Brits, rather than the Horse and Musket guys of the earlier period. But yes, definitely compliments it in the sense that the Perry brothers have not covered this later period.

If I hadn't read Cape Wars I would have been completely oblivious, except for a vague notion, that there had been a series of conflicts in South Africa prior to the Zulu War. Crazy really.....

It wasn't mentioned at school, we had a pretty good history department too, I have never seen a documentary that mentions any of the wars? Is it just me?
Title: Re: Iron Duke Miniatures Basotho Wars range
Post by: Plynkes on August 02, 2020, 04:31:36 PM
Well to be fair, if school history covered every time the Victorians got into a fight with someone far away there wouldn't be an awful lot of room for anything else. It is pretty specialized stuff, and you've got to fit the Tudors and the Industrial Revolution in somewhere, I guess.  :)


Honestly, when I was at school many years ago, we didn't cover any wars at all. Not even WW2. Everything I know about military history I have found out for myself, out of being interested in it.





Title: Re: Iron Duke Miniatures Basotho Wars range
Post by: Atheling on August 02, 2020, 04:57:59 PM
Well to be fair, if school history covered every time the Victorians got into a fight with someone far away there wouldn't be an awful lot of room for anything else. It is pretty specialized stuff, and you've got to fit the Tudors and the Industrial Revolution in somewhere, I guess.  :)


Honestly, when I was at school many years ago, we didn't cover any wars at all. Not even WW2. Everything I know about military history I have found out for myself, out of being interested in it.

Blimey! We got the political and social history of Britain since roughly 1800 and the political and military history from the 1905 revolution in Russia to where were were in the Cold War. Stuff the the ECW, Glorious Revolution etc were all touched upon briefly too. I think I was lucky in that I had two excellent teachers and their enthusiasm was not only contagious but captivating, at least for me.

I found out much later that one was a Marxist and one very Conservative but I can honestly say that their views were neither hinted upon nor promulgated during the classes, which is outstanding teaching when it comes down to it. Not so with some of the other humanities. 
Title: Re: Iron Duke Miniatures Basotho Wars range
Post by: Rogerc on August 02, 2020, 10:56:22 PM
I loved history but the only thing, literally the only thing we were taught was the Industrial revolution, nothing on political or miliatary history in any way at all.
Title: Re: Iron Duke Miniatures Basotho Wars range
Post by: Atheling on August 03, 2020, 08:48:50 AM
I loved history but the only thing, literally the only thing we were taught was the Industrial revolution, nothing on political or miliatary history in any way at all.

Wow! I'd better not go any further as we're drifting wildly off topic. Though, there is a lot more to say on this topic maybe on another thread  ;) :)
Title: Re: Iron Duke Miniatures Basotho Wars range
Post by: carlos marighela on August 03, 2020, 08:51:06 AM
I came away with the mistaken belief that the industrial revolution was largely based around some female whirling dervish who rejoiced in the name of Jenny. I might not have been paying close attention to that bit.  :)

Actually most of my history teachers were pretty good, even the WW2 veteran, with probably un-diagnosed PTSD,who would disturbingly stand with his back to the class, chipping off unwanted accretions to the blackboard with a cut down and obviously quite sharp SMLE bayonet for whole lessons at a time.

Title: Re: Iron Duke Miniatures Basotho Wars range
Post by: Atheling on August 03, 2020, 09:55:51 AM
Slightly out of context for the Basotho Wars range but; I don't know about the rest of you but this has to be some of the finest work that Paul Hicks has done.... don't forget the detail.....

(https://scontent.flhr4-2.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/116292702_2629318323997478_5348740408030045098_n.jpg?_nc_cat=111&_nc_sid=8024bb&_nc_ohc=xPI5M0KraZgAX-aUzBD&_nc_ht=scontent.flhr4-2.fna&oh=484feaf65f1524d7590a5ccec1b28923&oe=5F4C259B)
Title: Re: Iron Duke Miniatures Basotho Wars range
Post by: Mike1879 on August 03, 2020, 11:10:20 AM
Mr Hicks just gets better and better  :o
This is the reason this range is going to be a belter not just because it’s something new and interesting but also the superb quality of his sculpting  ;D
Title: Re: Iron Duke Miniatures Basotho Wars range
Post by: Atheling on August 03, 2020, 11:45:38 AM
Mr Hicks just gets better and better  :o
This is the reason this range is going to be a belter not just because it’s something new and interesting but also the superb quality of his sculpting  ;D

Yep, I have rarely seen such depth in terms of detail on a historical range of miniatures.
Title: Re: Iron Duke Miniatures Basotho Wars range
Post by: Rogerc on August 03, 2020, 12:08:13 PM
Agh and theres the cliff egde again.