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Title: 1940 CoC Thread
Post by: gamer Mac on September 20, 2020, 12:42:21 PM
Been starting a new project 1940 Western Europe
I am have problems with paint colours
My first lot Mk VI's what colour should I use for the dark green bit of the camo?
(https://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/48/1912-200920011551-481802400.jpeg)
The colours I have , which one is the best?
(https://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/48/1912-200920011552-48181665.jpeg)
The next part of the project. Does anybody know what is the proper colour scheme? The scheme in the instructions is totally different
(https://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/48/1912-200920011554-481822254.jpeg)
Title: Re: 1940 Painting help?
Post by: Cubs on September 20, 2020, 01:36:59 PM
According to Armoured Acorn, the A9's of 3RTR in the BEF had a colour scheme close to the one on the magazine cover - given as Light Bronze Green No.22 base, with Middle Bronze Green No.23 stripes (not quite as brown as the magazine looks to be). The darker scheme of Middle Bronze Green with Deep Bronze Green is shown on the A13's and other AFV's.

I don't know if Armoured Acorn is still going, but I grabbed their PDF's a few years back and they're superb.
Title: Re: 1940 Painting help?
Post by: Hang Tuah on September 20, 2020, 04:02:51 PM
Out of the three, I like the one on the right most.

As for the Cruiser, he's a very good step-by-step guide I found for your enjoyment:

http://www.thewargamespot.com/bef-g3g4-scheme-painting-guide/
Title: Re: 1940 Painting help?
Post by: gamer Mac on September 20, 2020, 06:10:11 PM
Out of the three, I like the one on the right most.

As for the Cruiser, he's a very good step-by-step guide I found for your enjoyment:

http://www.thewargamespot.com/bef-g3g4-scheme-painting-guide/
I Like the one on the right as well
Thanks for the link they are a lot lighter kaki than I have seen else where and more brown than green
Title: Re: 1940 Painting help?
Post by: Tony Barton on September 20, 2020, 06:11:43 PM
The most accurate colour matches have been provided by Mike Starmer in his self-published books. You get proper paint chips which he mixes himself.
Following those chips, the best match for KG3 is Vallejo 70887 Brown Violet, to which I should add a little US Field Drab 70873 to make it browner and slightly lighter.It might be worth mixing a quantity of it, if you are building a small armoured force, since it's nice to have them all matching.
For the KG4 dark green, Vallejo Olive Grey 70888 is a good match.
Title: Re: 1940 Painting help?
Post by: Truscott Trotter on September 21, 2020, 01:05:00 AM
I used Tamiya XF-27 Black Green - my only no Vallejo paint on my BEF
I used this in 15mm and 28mm though it was a bit dark for 15mm
Title: Re: 1940 Painting help?
Post by: Etranger on September 21, 2020, 11:11:53 AM
The most accurate colour matches have been provided by Mike Starmer in his self-published books. You get proper paint chips which he mixes himself.
Following those chips, the best match for KG3 is Vallejo 70887 Brown Violet, to which I should add a little US Field Drab 70873 to make it browner and slightly lighter.It might be worth mixing a quantity of it, if you are building a small armoured force, since it's nice to have them all matching.
For the KG4 dark green, Vallejo Olive Grey 70888 is a good match.

Latest version (AFAIK) here https://www.mafva.org/british-vehicle-camouflage-1939-45/?v=79cba1185463
Title: Re: 1940 Painting help?
Post by: NurgleHH on September 21, 2020, 03:32:45 PM
Maybe this can help you: https://www.flamesofwar.com/Default.aspx?tabid=110&art_id=2138&kb_cat_id=27
The Flames of War-Website has a lot of good painting-Tutorials.
For Infantry I like the Artizan/Crusader-Tutorials: https://www.artizandesigns.com/painting-guides.php
Mick Farnthworth made a book, I think Captain Blood was involved (Right Richard?). Maybe you find some hints in this book.
Title: Re: 1940 Painting help?
Post by: gamer Mac on September 21, 2020, 06:18:12 PM
There is a lot of info out there
Thanks everyone for the help
But this is what I have done
(https://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/48/1912-210920171105-482082080.jpeg)

(https://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/48/1912-210920171106-482092091.jpeg)
Title: Re: 1940 Painting help?
Post by: anch_io on September 21, 2020, 09:03:16 PM
Ammo of Mig has a nice set of British colors that I use for painting all my British FoW stuff.

https://www.migjimenez.com/en/acrylic-colors/317-british-colors.html (https://www.migjimenez.com/en/acrylic-colors/317-british-colors.html)

I think the color you are searching for is A.MIG-111 SCC 2 (BRITISH 1941-42 SERVICE DRAB), but as I recall, it is very close to (already suggested) VMC Brown Violet.

Oh, and regarding your pictures... You have even older Dark Angels Green than I have...  :D
Title: Re: 1940 Painting help?
Post by: gamer Mac on September 21, 2020, 10:27:55 PM
Ammo of Mig has a nice set of British colors that I use for painting all my British FoW stuff.

https://www.migjimenez.com/en/acrylic-colors/317-british-colors.html (https://www.migjimenez.com/en/acrylic-colors/317-british-colors.html)

I think the color you are searching for is A.MIG-111 SCC 2 (BRITISH 1941-42 SERVICE DRAB), but as I recall, it is very close to (already suggested) VMC Brown Violet.

Oh, and regarding your pictures... You have even older Dark Angels Green than I have...  :D
I still have a round bottle that is still wet and even older
Title: Re: 1940 Painting help?
Post by: Cubs on September 21, 2020, 10:41:28 PM

But this is what I have done


Yeah, that looks good for the Vickers Tanks, Matildas and A13's. Why were the A9's a slightly different colour? Who knows or dares to dream.
Title: Re: 1940 Painting help?
Post by: Blackwolf on September 21, 2020, 10:46:53 PM
Nice work GM 8)
Title: Re: 1940 Painting help?
Post by: Hang Tuah on September 22, 2020, 05:07:58 AM
They look good, imho!

How thick are your bases, by the by?
Title: Re: 1940 Painting help?
Post by: Etranger on September 22, 2020, 08:51:48 AM
Yeah, that looks good for the Vickers Tanks, Matildas and A13's. Why were the A9's a slightly different colour? Who knows or dares to dream.

There were 2 main schemes in 1940, one used G3 & G4 (G3 - Khaki green, AKA 'service colour' & G4 - Dark green) & the other G3 & G5, (Light green).  Which one used was down to the individual units AFAIK but G3/G4 seems far commoner..
Title: Re: 1940 Painting help?
Post by: gamer Mac on September 22, 2020, 10:35:08 AM
They look good, imho!

How thick are your bases, by the by?
They are mounted on mounting card , thick card maybe a couple of mm thick, I have chamfered the edges as well
Title: Re: 1940 Painting help?
Post by: gamer Mac on September 22, 2020, 02:20:29 PM
I was about to call these finished when I managed to catch one and drop one on the floor, bits went every where :'( :'( :'(
(https://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/48/1912-220920130845-482291149.jpeg)
Hopefully find all the bits some day
(https://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/48/1912-220920130843-482281892.jpeg)
Title: Re: 1940 Painting help?
Post by: anch_io on September 22, 2020, 05:05:44 PM
 Ouch! Well, if you do not find it, little plasticard can solve your problems...
Title: Re: 1940 Painting help?
Post by: gamer Mac on September 22, 2020, 05:34:27 PM
It is amazing how far these little bits fly, I am hoping still to find it
Title: Re: 1940 Painting help?
Post by: Etranger on September 23, 2020, 05:54:52 AM
It is amazing how far these little bits fly, I am hoping still to find it

It will turn up around 5 minutes after you've completed the replacement piece...  :?

The models look good.
Title: Re: 1940 Painting help?
Post by: gamer Mac on September 23, 2020, 01:45:00 PM
It will turn up around 5 minutes after you've completed the replacement piece...  :?

The models look good.
That's what's putting me of building a replacement :'(
Title: Re: 1940 Painting help?
Post by: gamer Mac on September 24, 2020, 05:26:18 PM
Searched every inch of my floor and couldn't find the missing hatch so I made one out of green stuff and a press mould
With the three foot rule I think it looks OK
(https://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/48/1912-240920154143-4828639.jpeg)
Looking at the back of the models there appears to be a  recessed section I can't find any pics of what this is supposed to be?
(https://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/48/1912-240920154144-482872327.jpeg)
So I am going to load some storage in here
(https://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/48/1912-240920154146-482882403.jpeg)
What do you think?
Title: Re: 1940 Painting help?
Post by: Cubs on September 24, 2020, 06:45:50 PM
Looking good. I can't tell which one has the replacement.
Title: Re: 1940 Painting help?
Post by: gamer Mac on September 27, 2020, 01:40:24 AM
(https://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/48/1912-260920235240-483571400.jpeg)
Been waiting on the supposed correct colour of paint to finish these and painting other ones
The picture above shows the bronze green
And the picture below shows my darkened version
(https://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/48/1912-260920235242-483581861.jpeg)
Title: Re: 1940 Painting help?
Post by: gamer Mac on October 06, 2020, 11:39:45 PM
Been building some scenery
I thought a petrol station would be a good objective
A web search found one by a member of this forum 'tactical painter' had one that looked ideal
I have ordered the forecourt bits and started building
(https://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/48/1912-061020222648-485531887.jpeg)
While waiting on the ordered bits and have been trying to stick downloaded posters to the model
Just the big door and the windows to fit
(https://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/48/1912-061020222649-485541451.jpeg)
They don't look right what am I doing wrong using PVA to try and stick them down
Title: Re: 1940 Painting help?
Post by: oldskoolrebel on October 07, 2020, 09:46:24 AM
Looking good Colin!

I was wondering, maybe paint use watered down pva over the poster while it's in place? That might help it stick more realistically. Also maybe a little brown wash along the edges will remove the 'brand new' look to the posters.

Cheers
Andy
Title: Re: 1940 Painting help?
Post by: gamer Mac on October 07, 2020, 11:24:14 AM
How are you doing Andy? it has been a while?
I already tried waterdown PVA but it just washed out the colour of the sign
Title: Re: 1940 Painting help?
Post by: tomrommel1 on October 08, 2020, 10:16:49 AM
nice tanks and garage
Title: Re: 1940 Painting help?
Post by: oldskoolrebel on October 09, 2020, 10:36:17 AM
How are you doing Andy? it has been a while?
I already tried waterdown PVA but it just washed out the colour of the sign

I've been good thanks. It's been ages! I hope you and the family are well.

Hmm, have you tried a less dilute mixture? Perhaps 3 parts PVA to 1 part water? I suppose it could also be the ink in your printer.

Title: Re: 1940 Painting help?
Post by: gamer Mac on October 09, 2020, 02:52:11 PM
I am going to try varnish next, nobody else seems to be replying to this thread?
Title: Re: 1940 Painting help?
Post by: Cubs on October 09, 2020, 04:25:31 PM
I am going to try varnish next, nobody else seems to be replying to this thread?

I don't know what it is you don't like about it. Is it that the posters aren't sitting flat on the textured walls?
Title: Re: 1940 Painting help?
Post by: gamer Mac on October 09, 2020, 05:40:57 PM
I don't know what it is you don't like about it. Is it that the posters aren't sitting flat on the textured walls?
Yep the posters look like bits of paper stuck on the rough surface, don't know how to make them look realistic
Title: Re: 1940 Painting help?
Post by: Cubs on October 09, 2020, 06:14:52 PM
Yep the posters look like bits of paper stuck on the rough surface, don't know how to make them look realistic

Well, I guess you've got the two choices of either taking off the posters and smoothing the bit of wall they're going on, or taking off the posters and sticking them to some flat surface (balsa, card, whatever) and then sticking them back on. Both options require you to remove the posters though. For signs I'd use option 2 and for ordinary paper posters I'd use option 1.
Title: Re: 1940 Painting help?
Post by: Digits on October 09, 2020, 06:15:27 PM
I’d be inclined to thin a little paint to match the edges and paint over the white paper edges...that will make them look a bit more flush with the wall. 

You could then dilute a little Agrax earthshade (GW) and give a thin wash to them to grub them up a bit?
Title: Re: 1940 Painting help?
Post by: gamer Mac on October 10, 2020, 01:40:31 AM
Thank guys I will give it a try
Title: Re: 1940 Painting help?
Post by: Truscott Trotter on October 12, 2020, 01:16:45 AM
As in RL they wouldn't be posters but painted enamel on tin plate and screwed to the wall....I think they look fine . lol
Title: Re: 1940 Painting help?
Post by: gamer Mac on October 13, 2020, 04:51:42 PM
That's what's putting me of building a replacement :'(
Not quite 5 min but the hatch has appeared after all this time
(https://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/48/1912-131020153958-487272470.jpeg)
The middle one is the bit I lost
Taking the chance to install a commander
(https://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/48/1912-131020154000-487401079.jpeg)
just some paint to add
(https://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/48/1912-131020154002-487411824.jpeg)
Title: Re: 1940 Painting help?
Post by: gamer Mac on October 13, 2020, 05:02:13 PM
Progress on the garage
(https://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/48/1912-131020155718-487421929.jpeg)

(https://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/48/1912-131020155720-48743874.jpeg)
Title: Re: 1940 Painting help?
Post by: Digits on October 13, 2020, 05:23:27 PM
Signs looking great!
Title: Re: 1940 Painting help?
Post by: Ultravanillasmurf on October 13, 2020, 06:30:08 PM
Very nice.
Title: Re: 1940 CoC Platoon
Post by: gamer Mac on October 20, 2020, 07:45:11 PM
I have changed the title for this thread
As I am going to use this thread to record my efforts in chain of command
I have had my head turned by this game after following various threads and a few blogs on the subject
I have bought the main rules and the 1940 blitzkrieg book. Now just to convert my rapid fire armies to CoC
Title: Re: 1940 CoC Thread
Post by: Digits on October 20, 2020, 07:58:46 PM
Will save you a few shekels in tanks that’s for sure!
Title: Re: 1940 CoC Thread
Post by: Captain Blood on October 20, 2020, 08:42:15 PM
Garage looks great Colin, including the signs.

Yeah, I think I’d have been inclined to slather them under several layers of neat PVA so they dry shiny and look a bit like enamel signs. But they look perfectly good as they are. Nice work  8)
Title: Re: 1940 CoC Thread
Post by: gamer Mac on October 20, 2020, 11:32:46 PM
Will save you a few shekels in tanks that’s for sure!
It will as I already own most of the stuff I would need for this period, although most of it is unpainted or very bad paint jobs from 20-30 years ago
My stuff is also organised for rapid fire and also late war
So First off I need to make some of the patrol markers and some jump off points
Patrol markers I down loaded from the Tactical painters Blog
Printed out and stuck to cheap poker chips, four each for German and British
Had to make jump off points with bits from my bits box
(https://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/48/1912-201020215326-488181158.jpeg)
4 British JOP
(https://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/48/1912-201020215327-488281497.jpeg)
4 Germen JOP
Title: Re: 1940 CoC Thread
Post by: Digits on October 20, 2020, 11:41:27 PM
Good start.
Title: Re: 1940 CoC Thread
Post by: gamer Mac on October 21, 2020, 12:10:35 AM
(https://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/48/1912-201020230857-488342328.jpeg)
Patrol markers
Title: Re: 1940 CoC Thread
Post by: gamer Mac on October 21, 2020, 01:11:47 AM
Been painting some German infantry
(https://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/48/1912-201020215656-488322422.jpeg)
Two senior leaders and three junior leaders
And the nine riflemen  that make up some of the platoon
(https://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/48/1912-201020215656-488322422.jpeg)

(https://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/48/1912-201020215657-488331310.jpeg)
This is a picture of the six MG 34 teams, some serious fire power and a use for sll those prone figures I have never used before
Title: Re: 1940 CoC Thread
Post by: Captain Blood on October 21, 2020, 08:41:47 AM
Ah yes, nobody ever loves the prone figures  lol

Like the jump-off points though  :)
Title: Re: 1940 CoC Thread
Post by: Digits on October 21, 2020, 09:44:22 AM
Never understood that...surely less to paint!
Title: Re: 1940 CoC Thread
Post by: gamer Mac on October 21, 2020, 10:16:21 AM
Never understood that...surely less to paint!
But still loads to paint  :o :o :o
There is thousands them ;D
Title: Re: 1940 CoC Thread
Post by: Mindenbrush on October 21, 2020, 01:15:43 PM
Excellent work.

COC early war British v German is my designated project for 2021 so will be following this thread closely.

I looked at doing it in 20mm but as all my other gaming periods are in 25/28mm I decided to go with 25/28mm to save on terrain.
Title: Re: 1940 CoC Thread
Post by: gamer Mac on October 21, 2020, 02:08:37 PM
Excellent work.

COC early war British v German is my designated project for 2021 so will be following this thread closely.

I looked at doing it in 20mm but as all my other gaming periods are in 25/28mm I decided to go with 25/28mm to save on terrain.
Thanks
I have both scales and was looking at my 20 mm for Rapid fire early war when I caught the C0C bug
Title: Re: 1940 CoC Thread
Post by: Mindenbrush on October 21, 2020, 10:24:54 PM
A friend recently gave me back some 30 odd AB WWII British that I had given him back in 1999 when I came back to the UK from Canada.
He had never taken them out of the box and they had sat in his basement for 21 years 🤔
They too were for Rapid Fire.

Are your light tanks 20mm or 28mm?
Title: Re: 1940 CoC Thread
Post by: gamer Mac on October 21, 2020, 11:21:19 PM
The tanks on this thread are 20 mm
The MKVI Tanks are from a company called cromwell models, lovely little resin models can't find them anymore
Title: Re: 1940 CoC Thread
Post by: Ultravanillasmurf on October 22, 2020, 06:07:56 PM
The MKVI Tanks are from a company called cromwell models, lovely little resin models can't find them anymore
I remember Cromwell Models.
Title: Re: 1940 CoC Thread
Post by: gamer Mac on October 23, 2020, 01:22:21 AM
(https://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/48/1912-221020230123-48870315.jpeg)
Schutzen platoon from the 5th company, 7th motor Rifle Regiment,
7th panzer division

(https://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/48/1912-221020230125-48871905.jpeg)
Command section

(https://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/48/1912-221020230126-48872870.jpeg)
Three section each made up of 2 X MG 34 teams
Just noticed the lack of grass on some of them
Now on to a british platoon and then some supports
Hopefully try the game soon
Title: Re: 1940 CoC Thread
Post by: Mindenbrush on October 23, 2020, 12:35:45 PM
As you have defined which units you are using for the Germans, have you defined which area of combat you will be depicting in France/Belgium?

I started researching the early war battles but got distracted with some commission work.
Title: Re: 1940 CoC Thread
Post by: gamer Mac on October 23, 2020, 02:14:46 PM
Not really researching, just using what have and what I like :D
Any battle will be totally fictional
Title: Re: 1940 CoC Thread
Post by: Shahbahraz on October 23, 2020, 06:05:34 PM
Looking good. I have 1940 Germans (Black Tree & Warlord) and French (Crusader & Warlord), and I am seriously contemplating adding 1940 BEF (1st Corps) to the mix.

My only misgivings are that the basic squads aren't that different to the 1944 versions, so it could be a bit 'samey' with my 1944 versions.
Title: Re: 1940 CoC Thread
Post by: gamer Mac on October 24, 2020, 01:22:21 AM
The germans are totally different, early war against late war
No camo, Different colour of uniform, Different weapons and that is just the infantry!
Title: Re: 1940 CoC Thread
Post by: Truscott Trotter on October 24, 2020, 01:31:21 AM
Looking good. I have 1940 Germans (Black Tree & Warlord) and French (Crusader & Warlord), and I am seriously contemplating adding 1940 BEF (1st Corps) to the mix.

My only misgivings are that the basic squads aren't that different to the 1944 versions, so it could be a bit 'samey' with my 1944 versions.

That's why I am adding a Home Guard unit and a Naval shore party to my BEF and maybe a Cameron Highlanders section also
Title: Re: 1940 CoC Thread
Post by: Shahbahraz on October 25, 2020, 11:46:02 PM
The germans are totally different, early war against late war
No camo, Different colour of uniform, Different weapons and that is just the infantry!

Oh I know that, but the squad organisation is very much the same unless you take a PzGren unit with two LMG per squad. I've done my EW Germans with the four squad platoon, but essentially they play very similarly to the my standard LW Heer platoon. As is also the case with the British platoon. They were tactically almost identical in 1940 and 1944.
Title: Re: 1940 CoC Thread
Post by: gamer Mac on October 28, 2020, 01:12:37 AM
We tried our first game tonight of chain of command
It was just a trial run with just an infantry platoon each , no supports
The patrol phase did not go well for me, half my jump off points ended up against my table edge
And my brother started the game with two double 6 phases, with none of my troops on the table the Germans
Had free reign to advance across the table
Then my luck changed and I got a Double 6 phase and I got to activate one of my sections and deploy then in a house with a german squad advancing in the open across the road right in front, the squad was reduced to one man who then retreated , in my second phase I deployed a second squad into another house and just about wipe a second German squad
Ran out of time after that but a fun game and the rules were quite easy to pick up but could do with a play sheet
not many pictures WILL POST THEM TOMORROW
Title: Re: 1940 CoC Thread
Post by: Romark on October 28, 2020, 10:12:29 AM
Your collection is coming along nicely Colin👍
Title: Re: 1940 CoC Thread
Post by: gamer Mac on October 28, 2020, 12:26:42 PM
Some pictures
(https://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/48/1912-281020103833.jpeg)

(https://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/48/1912-281020121711-489531001.jpeg)

(https://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/48/1912-281020121712-489661604.jpeg)

(https://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/48/1912-281020121714-489671139.jpeg)

(https://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/48/1912-281020121716-489681091.jpeg)
The next time I will try and keep a better photo record
Title: Re: 1940 CoC Thread
Post by: Mindenbrush on October 29, 2020, 11:16:15 AM
Nice looking table and by the sounds of it a very common game where the situation can change dramatically.

I thought long and hard about getting into COC as watching some of the TFL videos it seemed that one side frequently got steamrollered. But then during one of their Oddcasts they discussed ‘dead ground’ and I think I will add that to my future games.
Title: Re: 1940 CoC Thread
Post by: gamer Mac on December 10, 2020, 12:48:05 AM
Some more buildings
(https://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/49/1912-101220001311-49603650.jpeg)

(https://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/49/1912-101220001312-496041839.jpeg)

(https://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/49/1912-101220001314-496051834.jpeg)

(https://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/49/1912-101220001315-496061024.jpeg)
inside ground floor
(https://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/49/1912-101220001316-49607343.jpeg)
first floor
(https://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/49/1912-101220001525-496091113.jpeg)
And a war memorial for the town
Title: Re: 1940 CoC Thread
Post by: tancrede on December 10, 2020, 08:04:01 AM
Excellent work, sir.

For the WW1 memorial, you should add some inscriptions on it (names of the deads, name of the town,...), and maybe some flowers around it.
And some verdigris on it could be nice.

But it's for details, and it's really a great addition for a french town.

 
Title: Re: 1940 CoC Thread
Post by: gamer Mac on December 10, 2020, 10:41:21 AM
Thanks
I was thinking of adding a plaque
As for the verdigris I figured that by 1940 the monument wouldn't be that old so no verdigris
I have a few other ideas to add
Title: Re: 1940 CoC Thread
Post by: OSHIROmodels on December 10, 2020, 10:42:53 AM
They're looking great  :)
Title: Re: 1940 CoC Thread
Post by: Digits on December 10, 2020, 10:43:06 AM
Loving the houses...the window boxes are a nice touch!
Title: Re: 1940 CoC Thread
Post by: johnl5555 on December 10, 2020, 11:46:28 AM
  That game looks great! Everything is painted nicely and in my favorite scale.

Very well done!!

Thanks.

John
Title: Re: 1940 CoC Thread
Post by: has.been on December 10, 2020, 12:16:03 PM
Lovely stuff.
As to the war memorial, Sgts Mess do/used to do
a packet of poppy wreaths. 20mm, but could still
work in 28mm.  Could drape a Tricolour on it too.
Title: Re: 1940 CoC Thread
Post by: Captain Blood on December 10, 2020, 09:05:48 PM
Tres bien, mon brave  8)
Title: Re: 1940 CoC Thread
Post by: Shahbahraz on December 11, 2020, 06:47:27 PM
Nice looking table and by the sounds of it a very common game where the situation can change dramatically.

I thought long and hard about getting into COC as watching some of the TFL videos it seemed that one side frequently got steamrollered. But then during one of their Oddcasts they discussed ‘dead ground’ and I think I will add that to my future games.

I would strongly suggest reading some of the campaign reports from 'Tiny Hordes' or 'The Tactical Painter'. They are brilliant. And give you a really good insight into how the rules work.
Title: Re: 1940 CoC Thread
Post by: Mindenbrush on December 13, 2020, 01:58:18 PM
Thanks Shahbahraz, I have already looked at Tactical Painter’s excellent blog and Tiny Hordes site.

The question of dead ground has come up at various times during club games using other periods so I will experiment with some.

@ gamer Mac - matte board for your buildings? They look good.
Title: Re: 1940 CoC Thread
Post by: Truscott Trotter on December 13, 2020, 08:17:32 PM
Dead ground is an issue with all WW2 rule sets I have seen, even those that try and cover it.

Real dead ground is very hard to represent in our scale tables.

My approach as terrain is never to scale, (trees and hills too low etc)  is rather than  try and look at every situation with a laser  I do either:
1.) KISS and say no overlooking tress , houses, hills  etc and adjacent to linear terrain for cover when looking from height, or
2.) Decide on a fixed dead zone eg 6" for woods, 4" for walls etc.

I tend to play 1.) mainly as it avoids a lot of 'discussion.'
Title: Re: 1940 CoC Thread taking the piss
Post by: gamer Mac on December 25, 2020, 12:47:32 AM
I built this for an extra big of cover in my town
(https://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/49/1912-251220001519-497742319.jpeg)

(https://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/49/1912-251220001520-497751412.jpeg)

(https://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/49/1912-251220001521-49776855.jpeg)

(https://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/49/1912-251220001522-497771020.jpeg)

(https://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/49/1912-251220001523-497782158.jpeg)
Title: Re: 1940 CoC Thread
Post by: Ultravanillasmurf on December 25, 2020, 08:04:55 AM
Cool, and useful if you are caught short in a firefight.
Title: Re: 1940 CoC Thread
Post by: levied troop on December 25, 2020, 08:05:34 AM
Very nice :)

If you need a customer for it, I found this figure very useful:
http://hfminis.co.uk/shop?product=william-%252d-pre-order~hfa066&category=modern-%26%0D%0Apost%252dapoc~modern-adventurers

Title: Re: 1940 CoC Thread
Post by: gamer Mac on December 25, 2020, 09:27:54 AM
Thanks
But it is 20 mm
Title: Re: 1940 CoC Thread
Post by: levied troop on December 25, 2020, 10:25:28 AM
Ooops! My excuse is, it’s Christmas morning and I’ve been on the gin.
Title: Re: 1940 CoC Thread
Post by: OSHIROmodels on December 25, 2020, 11:02:05 PM
Nice  8)

Bit more staining where it counts?  lol
Title: Re: 1940 CoC Thread
Post by: jony663 on December 26, 2020, 04:17:57 AM
I am a big fan of C of C but I will say not all battles go to plan.

The dead ground is very important, but also is patience. As the defender I often can go a couple of phases and not bring on troops, or at least troops in forward positions until I get a feel for the attackers intentions.

Also as we have all read plenty of battles were a position does get overrun, in C of C, especially the Pint Sized Campaigns (PSC) knowing when to pull back is crucial.

Nice looking table and by the sounds of it a very common game where the situation can change dramatically.

I thought long and hard about getting into COC as watching some of the TFL videos it seemed that one side frequently got steamrollered. But then during one of their Oddcasts they discussed ‘dead ground’ and I think I will add that to my future games.
Title: Re: 1940 CoC Thread
Post by: gamer Mac on January 16, 2021, 05:03:12 PM
Working my way through the support list for a schutzen platoon for the 7th Armoured division
I have a Pz II  and a PZ III Needed a PZ 38t
PSC supplied
(https://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/50/1912-160121152356-500302226.jpeg)

(https://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/50/1912-160121152357-500342366.jpeg)

 (https://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/50/1912-160121152359-500352391.jpeg)
Not great pictures sorry
I have most of the required models to fulile the list
Just need a PZ jager 1 and a bison sig 33
Title: Re: 1940 CoC Thread
Post by: gamer Mac on January 16, 2021, 06:28:00 PM
better picture
(https://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/50/1912-160121152401-500362469.jpeg)
Title: Re: 1940 CoC Thread
Post by: gamer Mac on January 19, 2021, 11:24:38 PM
Also making an early war fallschirmjager platoon
(https://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/50/1912-190121231411-500771041.jpeg)

(https://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/50/1912-190121231413-50085392.jpeg)

(https://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/50/1912-190121231414-500861919.jpeg)

(https://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/50/1912-190121231415-500872346.jpeg)

Do you think the colours are right?
Title: Re: 1940 CoC Thread
Post by: Truscott Trotter on January 19, 2021, 11:44:13 PM
No, obviously the helmet should be the same blue as the plastic lid to his left!  lol

Actually I think they look pretty close. Maybe a drybrush of VJ green/grey on the jumpsuit?
TBH I am not sure what shade the early jump helmets would be someone with more knowledge will surely inform you.
Title: Re: 1940 CoC Thread
Post by: Andym on January 20, 2021, 10:26:25 AM
Nice ones colin! 8) It will nice to finally get a game with these once all this covid s@#t is over!!
Title: Re: 1940 CoC Thread
Post by: Romark on January 20, 2021, 10:30:17 AM
Lovely additions to the collection Colin 8)
Title: Re: 1940 CoC Thread
Post by: gamer Mac on January 20, 2021, 10:47:53 AM
No, obviously the helmet should be the same blue as the plastic lid to his left!  lol

Actually I think they look pretty close. Maybe a drybrush of VJ green/grey on the jumpsuit?
TBH I am not sure what shade the early jump helmets would be someone with more knowledge will surely inform you.
That's been my problem, I have been waiting on the someone with more knowledge lol
I have tried various greys and Greens
I ended up using a dark grey from "coat d arms"
A lot of the early war pictures also show sand coloured ones but I take it they were for crete?
Thanks Guys
Title: Re: 1940 CoC Thread
Post by: Digits on January 20, 2021, 11:50:01 AM
Look fine to me!
Title: Re: 1940 CoC Thread
Post by: Captain Blood on January 20, 2021, 08:05:45 PM
I think they look good Colin. Perfect Luftwaffe grey-blue on the helmet, contrasting with the more earthy colours on the jump suit. Nice :)
Title: Re: 1940 CoC Thread
Post by: gamer Mac on January 20, 2021, 10:48:52 PM
Thanks guys
With the expert seal of approval I now have my colour scheme :D
Title: Re: 1940 CoC Thread
Post by: gamer Mac on February 19, 2021, 04:53:16 PM
My brother dropped these off today
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/50/1912-190221164700-504081625.jpeg)

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/50/1912-190221164659-50406746.jpeg)
The last couple of things I needed for the support lists
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/50/1912-190221164659-50407923.jpeg)

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/50/1912-190221164700-504091530.jpeg)

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/50/1912-190221164700-504102389.jpeg)
and some progress on a garden and the start of a chateau

Title: Re: 1940 CoC Thread
Post by: Digits on February 20, 2021, 08:25:44 AM
Ha!  Liking the garden start!  Nice idea with the support canes.
Title: Re: 1940 CoC Thread
Post by: gamer Mac on February 20, 2021, 09:45:30 AM
Thanks as said elsewhere it is all your fault  lol lol lol
Title: Re: 1940 CoC Thread
Post by: gamer Mac on February 21, 2021, 02:01:32 PM
What colour should I paint the uniforms of the crews of these two vehicles?
Title: Re: 1940 CoC Thread Bison painted
Post by: gamer Mac on February 24, 2021, 10:49:24 PM
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/50/1912-240221224039-50539650.jpeg)

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/50/1912-240221224039-505381094.jpeg)

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/50/1912-240221224039-50540888.jpeg)

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/50/1912-240221224040-50541353.jpeg)

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/50/1912-240221224039-50540888.jpeg)
Finished another support choice
Title: Re: 1940 CoC Thread Bison
Post by: Marine0846 on February 26, 2021, 03:03:24 AM
Outstanding gun and crew.
Love them. :-*
Title: Re: 1940 CoC Thread Bison
Post by: Elbows on February 26, 2021, 03:58:17 AM
Yeah, that is excellent.  Well done.
Title: Re: 1940 CoC Thread Bison
Post by: carlos marighela on February 26, 2021, 06:29:18 AM
Nice work!

The German para helmet in 1940 was ‘apple green’, really more of an olive colour but not blue or blue grey. Vallejo Olive Grey works for me. That said, grey does give a better contrast.
Title: Re: 1940 CoC Thread Bison
Post by: gamer Mac on February 26, 2021, 10:35:46 AM
Carlos
I Bow to your greater knowledge but I just went with what looked right :D
There is a LOT of different opinions on helmet colours for the German Fallschirmjager
Title: Re: 1940 CoC Thread Bison
Post by: Romark on February 26, 2021, 12:23:24 PM
Nice addition to the collection Colin :)
Title: Re: 1940 CoC Thread Panzer Jager 1
Post by: gamer Mac on March 08, 2021, 11:44:31 AM
Another painted a Panzer Jager 1
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/50/1912-080321112405-50633214.jpeg)

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/50/1912-080321112405-506351723.jpeg)

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/50/1912-080321112406-506362237.jpeg)

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/50/1912-080321112406-5063736.jpeg)

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/50/1912-080321112406-50638487.jpeg)

just some decals to find and a base
Title: Re: 1940 CoC Thread Panzer Jager 1
Post by: Gunner Dunbar on March 10, 2021, 09:21:48 AM
Very cool
Title: Re: 1940 CoC Thread Panzer Jager 1
Post by: Digits on March 10, 2021, 09:33:53 AM
Interesting looking guns...nice one!
Title: Re: 1940 CoC Thread Panzer Jager 1
Post by: Captain Blood on March 10, 2021, 10:30:06 AM
Those are nifty Colin. Interesting looking AFVs. Quite Heath-Robinson in appearance. Not the usual sleek Nazi menace ;)
Title: Re: 1940 CoC Thread Panzer Jager 1
Post by: gamer Mac on March 10, 2021, 11:21:32 PM
tiny as well
I will show a picture against normal size familiar tank
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/50/1912-100321231658-506481907.jpeg)

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/50/1912-100321231659-5065028.jpeg)
Title: Re: 1940 CoC Thread Panzer Jager 1
Post by: Bearwoodman on March 10, 2021, 11:41:09 PM
Wow, they make the Stug look massive!

Nice painting! They do look rather endearingly bodged together but they have tracks, some armour and a gun so i guess they are dangerous enough if their opponent has nothing better.
Title: Re: 1940 CoC New game
Post by: gamer Mac on April 05, 2021, 05:58:09 PM
We managed to squeeze in a game of CoC yesterday. Very much still learning the rules not played it enough got loads wrong
We played one of the scenarios from the 1940 Book
My brother had a german shutzn platoon from the 9th Panzer division with 15 support points for a Bison, a 75mm infantry gun and a panzer III

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/50/1912-050421113610-509751192.jpeg)
Germans charging across the table from left to right

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/50/1912-050421113610-509821649.jpeg)
My JP's

I had a 1940 regulation platoon with 10 points of support for a 2lbs AT gun , a vicker MG, a Damilar Dingo Armoured car with a Anti-Tank rifle
I still haven't got the hang of the parol phase I got my JP's all in a line in one corner of the table with my brothers spread right across the table
The game was not a close one I could move out of my starting point my AT gun did manage to stop Bison from wipeing the floor with my troops and the vicker done ok
But even with my brother shit dice throwing I had loads of casulties compared to his few
We are crap at the rules never once did me roll for leader casualties more training required

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/50/1912-050421113611-509832283.jpeg)

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/50/1912-050421113611-509841601.jpeg)

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/50/1912-050421113611-50985744.jpeg)

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/50/1912-050421113804-50987208.jpeg)

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/50/1912-050421113804-50988902.jpeg)

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/50/1912-050421113804-509892162.jpeg)

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/50/1912-050421113805-50990268.jpeg)

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/50/1912-050421114039-509912438.jpeg)

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/50/1912-050421114039-509921952.jpeg)

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/50/1912-050421114039-509931602.jpeg)

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/50/1912-050421113803-509862263.jpeg)
The last couple of pics show my loses then my brothers loses and then the gun he never even used
Title: Re: 1940 CoC Thread
Post by: Marine0846 on April 05, 2021, 06:33:37 PM
Love your table setup.
Very nice.
Title: Re: 1940 CoC Thread
Post by: gamer Mac on May 20, 2021, 07:52:09 PM
We have started playing our first campaign the ceaser camp PSC
i have noted that as the british player I will get tank support from the French so after a search of my old boxes I have found these two.
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/51/1912-200521184404-51401447.jpeg)

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/51/1912-200521184404-51400892.jpeg)

French camo is a pain and I don't have any decals
Title: Re: 1940 CoC Thread
Post by: Digits on May 21, 2021, 11:35:57 AM
Try a little freehand?

Yup, I’ve noticed there is always something you need for each campaign that you just don’t have! Lol

Still, nice to keep your project flowing...
Title: Re: 1940 CoC Thread
Post by: Andym on May 21, 2021, 04:28:43 PM
Nice camo Colin! 8)

Now....wheres that Tiger tank I need for my side? ;)
Title: Re: 1940 CoC Thread
Post by: gamer Mac on May 21, 2021, 05:14:00 PM
You don't get one lol
You can have a 37 AT gun to bounse shells off my tanks :D
Title: Re: 1940 CoC Thread
Post by: gamer Mac on June 25, 2021, 03:09:48 PM
Still try to progress the campaign
For the next table a few farm building are needed so I dug out some really old buildings and also built two new ones
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/51/1912-250621095635-51885783.jpeg)

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/51/1912-250621095636-51889299.jpeg)

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/51/1912-250621095636-518901464.jpeg)

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/51/1912-250621095636-518912056.jpeg)

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/51/1912-250621095637-518922291.jpeg)

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/51/1912-250621101409-518931912.jpeg)

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/51/1912-250621101409-51894603.jpeg)

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/51/1912-250621101410-518951869.jpeg)

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/51/1912-250621101410-51896525.jpeg)

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/51/1912-250621101410-518972404.jpeg)

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/51/1912-250621101924-51898678.jpeg)

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/51/1912-250621101925-518991432.jpeg)

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/51/1912-250621101925-519002294.jpeg)

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/51/1912-250621101926-51901281.jpeg)

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/51/1912-250621101926-51902358.jpeg)
Further on in the campaign I need a Chateau
Title: Re: 1940 CoC Thread
Post by: Digits on June 25, 2021, 03:56:05 PM
Very good.  You can’t have enough rural buildings.  The barns look great and liking this house….
Title: Re: 1940 CoC Thread
Post by: Romark on June 25, 2021, 04:21:42 PM
Nice job on those Colin👍
Title: Re: 1940 CoC Thread
Post by: Marine0846 on June 26, 2021, 02:02:54 AM
Love the new buildings. :-*
Also love the Bison and anti tank gun on Pz I .
Anyone know where I can get them 1/48 scale in resin.
(I know I am dreaming, but you never Know.)
Title: Re: 1940 CoC Thread
Post by: Andym on June 26, 2021, 06:52:16 AM
Fantastic Colin! 8) I still remember playing Warhammer(2nd edition?) over some of them! I can't wait to play CoC over them.
Title: Re: 1940 CoC Thread
Post by: Hu Rhu on June 26, 2021, 09:21:53 AM
Great scratchbuildings.   :-* :-*
Title: Re: 1940 CoC Thread
Post by: gamer Mac on June 26, 2021, 11:25:49 AM
Love the new buildings. :-*
Also love the Bison and anti tank gun on Pz I .
Anyone know where I can get them 1/48 scale in resin.
(I know I am dreaming, but you never Know.)
You would need to ask my brother but I think the Pz I was printed from scaled down 1/56 scale File
I believe the Bison was scaled up from a 15 mm file
Title: Re: 1940 CoC Thread
Post by: Marine0846 on June 26, 2021, 02:27:53 PM
Thanks for the information, gamer Mac. :)
Title: Re: 1940 CoC Thread
Post by: gamer Mac on July 14, 2021, 11:40:14 PM
We started the second game of our campaign tonight, Ceasers Camp Game 2
So far it is not going well.
My british supported by some french tanks
But I found out that a Char B1 is not immune to 37 mm AT fire
I am have problems with photos tonight I will post some tomorrow
Not sure of the point of this game how do the germans win it?
Title: Re: 1940 CoC Thread
Post by: ulverston on July 15, 2021, 07:41:56 AM
I am really loving this thread! Your work is fantastic-the bison is my favourite vehicle so far... but what really caught my attention were the houses. I have always struggled to scratch build terrain in 20mm but you make it look effortless. Can I ask where did you get the windows and doors for the chateau?
Title: Re: 1940 CoC Thread
Post by: gamer Mac on July 15, 2021, 12:47:19 PM
Thanks
The windows for the Chateau were found on Ebay. The front door is a plaster cast from linka moulds
Photos of the game
My wife is using the garden room as an office so I had to  resort to my old table
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/52/1912-150721102843-5217417.jpeg)
In this campaign the maps are very unfogiving to the british player
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/52/1912-150721102843-521761815.jpeg)
my take on the map
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/52/1912-150721102843-521771857.jpeg)
The box it to keep my fields flat
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/52/1912-150721102844-52178414.jpeg)
View from the British side
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/52/1912-150721103040-521802055.jpeg)
I was first to go so I brought on my first big tank not played using a tank before an I think I must have forgot to tell the driver to close his vision slit Because the first think my brother did was to place his pidily little 37 mm in line with my huge monster and fire one shot to totally destroy my game winning beast
Title: Re: 1940 CoC Thread
Post by: Digits on July 15, 2021, 03:03:39 PM
Don’t forget to use your smoke fella….be sure to drop it in front of their firing positions!
Title: Re: 1940 CoC Thread
Post by: ulverston on July 15, 2021, 03:52:58 PM
I had totally forgotten about Linka molds... I will have a look around ebay. Thanks again and thanks for sharing
Title: Re: 1940 CoC Thread
Post by: gamer Mac on July 15, 2021, 04:32:08 PM
Don’t forget to use your smoke fella….be sure to drop it in front of their firing positions!
That was my plan but he wasn't there to put smoke in front of, he deployed and fired once, big tank F;;ked,
smoke was there for a while and then he ended the turn before I could move anything else, small tank is now trying to squeese past the big wreck
Title: Re: 1940 CoC Thread
Post by: gamer Mac on July 29, 2021, 12:32:10 AM
Managed to squeeze the next installment of this game
small H39 got passed his big brother cover by loads of smoke this time

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/52/1912-150721102844-52178414.jpeg)

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/52/1912-150721103040-521821522.jpeg)

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/52/1912-150721103041-521831698.jpeg)

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/52/1912-150721103041-521841383.jpeg)

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/52/1912-280721231330-52319402.jpeg)

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/52/1912-280721231330-523212017.jpeg)
Fired so much smoke I have been unable to shoot at the AT Gun
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/52/1912-280721231331-523221484.jpeg)
The small H39 moving to avoid the 88mm bunker buster
Will finish the game next time
Title: Re: 1940 CoC Thread
Post by: gamer Mac on April 02, 2022, 01:36:12 AM
Not been posting anything for ages
I have some new tanks printed and almost painted will post some picture tomorrow
Title: Re: 1940 CoC Thread
Post by: gamer Mac on April 02, 2022, 11:52:19 AM
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/54/1912-020422104143-54702751.jpeg)
Some 3D printed stuff
(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/54/1912-020422104143-54706536.jpeg)

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/54/1912-020422104143-54707466.jpeg)

(http://leadadventureforum.com/gallery/54/1912-020422104144-547081887.jpeg)
I have been struggling to find one of these but managed to find a 1/56 Scale that I scaled down to 1/72 scale