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Miniatures Adventure => The Second World War => Topic started by: remmelt55 on October 22, 2020, 06:32:04 PM

Title: scenario goldtransport
Post by: remmelt55 on October 22, 2020, 06:32:04 PM: We are staging a scenario set in in the period 1940-1943, in France 1940 and in France/Britain 1943. Concerning the transport of a lot of gold bars of the National Bank of France or England.
What kind of cars could be used for the transport of such a valuable cargo.
Can anyone help us , we are wargaming in 20 mm scale (1/76 - 1/72) and would like to to know some types of cars or vans for French and British bank.
Name of manufacturers???
Title: Re: scenario goldtransport
Post by: has.been on October 22, 2020, 08:31:30 PM: Gold is heavy. You want lorries, or at least trucks.
It is possible to pick up some on e-bay at reasonable prices.
If they have logos on, just paint over them. Moving a lot of gold
you wouldn't want to draw attention to yourself, so no Bank names.
I would go for a simple colour scheme.
Title: Re: scenario goldtransport
Post by: remmelt55 on October 22, 2020, 09:26:22 PM: Thanks. So no amoureuze lorrys like they do today.
Title: Re: scenario goldtransport
Post by: remmelt55 on October 22, 2020, 09:27:17 PM: Armoured lorrys it must be.
Title: Re: scenario goldtransport
Post by: Calimero on October 22, 2020, 09:38:30 PM: I think, for the time period, the easiest, most effective and most secure would be transport by train… If you want to use trucks, it might be difficult to find appropriate allied trucks. There’s plenty of German Opel models out there and even Russian GAZ but French and/or British trucks are harder to find
Title: Re: scenario goldtransport
Post by: Ultravanillasmurf on October 22, 2020, 09:42:12 PM: Quote from: has.been on October 22, 2020, 08:31:30 PM
Gold is heavy. You want lorries, or at least trucks.
Standard reserve bars weigh in at 12.4 kg
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_bar (https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gold_bar)
So that is about four per hundredweight, so that should give you an idea of the type of vehicle s you would need.
Title: Re: scenario goldtransport
Post by: robh on October 23, 2020, 12:42:59 AM: Any of the British Trucks you may want:
http://shqltd.com/product-category/20mm-ww-ii-ranges/wwii-alies/british/vehicles-british/british-vehicles/

Superb models in true 20mm size, good match for 1/76 or 1/72 figures. Also a smaller French range with Renault and Citroen Trucks in their list.
Title: Re: scenario goldtransport
Post by: gamer Mac on October 23, 2020, 01:27:01 AM: How about armoured cars the Morris cs9 was big enough to carry some gold.
You could even use Daimler dingos, they were to be used to move the Royal family in an invasion
Title: Re: scenario goldtransport
Post by: BillK on October 23, 2020, 02:48:54 PM: It was not uncommon for valuables to be transported covertly in garbage trucks and dump trucks... you can always go that route.
Title: Re: scenario goldtransport
Post by: Calimero on October 23, 2020, 03:09:43 PM: Quote from: robh on October 23, 2020, 12:42:59 AM
Any of the British Trucks you may want:
http://shqltd.com/product-category/20mm-ww-ii-ranges/wwii-alies/british/vehicles-british/british-vehicles/

Superb models in true 20mm size, good match for 1/76 or 1/72 figures. Also a smaller French range with Renault and Citroen Trucks in their list.

I was thinking mostly about plastic kits in my previous comment, but, these are great. I didn't know they did that much models of trucks/Lorry
Title: Re: scenario goldtransport
Post by: Patrice on October 23, 2020, 03:20:59 PM: You probably mean the gold which arrived in Brest in 1940...
https://www.tresordupatrimoine.fr/content/121-736-tonnes-dor

It arrived by train at the railway station in Brest. Then by trucks (not mentioning which kind of trucks, probably French Army or Navy vehicles?) temporarily to the fort du Portzic (a late 17th C. fortress near the town). Then in trucks again to boats in the harbour. The article in the above link says there were not enough trucks but they also found and used large trucks abandoned by the British Army. It was then shipped to the French colonies.
Title: Re: scenario goldtransport
Post by: Truscott Trotter on October 24, 2020, 01:33:36 AM: Cheap and cheerful
https://anyscalemodels.com/shop/wargames/vehicles-1-72-or-20mm.html
(https://anyscalemodels.com/images/store/20B04.jpg)
Title: Re: scenario goldtransport
Post by: remmelt55 on October 25, 2020, 08:06:51 PM: Thanks for all the usefull information, website- links and article.
Time to refresh my school French.
Thanks.
Title: Re: scenario goldtransport
Post by: Patrice on October 25, 2020, 10:26:12 PM: Quote from: remmelt55 on October 25, 2020, 08:06:51 PM
Time to refresh my school French.

You'll certainly find an internet translation, if needed.

And it's worse that what you could imagine for a scenario.

The whole thing was almost forgotten locally (I live in Brittany) if not for a recent criminal affair (2017)...

A mad guy killed one of his friends and the whole family because (perhaps) he suspected him of having found some part of this gold.
He killed everyone in the house and brought the corpses away.
The police took some time to understand what had happened.
No I'm not joking it's true it was a big mystery for all newspapers and TV in France 3 years ago.
(Sorry that's the French Wikipedia) https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affaire_Troadec

The local newspapers at the time asked if it was linked to the gold (still in French).
https://www.ouest-france.fr/bretagne/brest-29200/l-affaire-troadec-et-le-fantasme-de-l-or-brestois-4852277