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Title: 28mm Medieval Church Recommendations Please
Post by: Winston on November 22, 2020, 02:24:31 PM: Hello all. I can no longer put off investing the money or time in a church. I’d like something without a steeple. Just a good version of your bog standard Norman parish place of worship and quiet prayer please. I’d probably prefer resin to MDF if possible but open to suggestions. I can’t afford/justify Grand Manner sadly, so I was looking at this from Magister Militum - which looks like resin - or at least less precise and perfect than MDF. Thoughts on this? Other suggestions? Budget is about £40-£50.

https://www.magistermilitum.com/bd9-28mm-medieval-parish-church.html (https://www.magistermilitum.com/bd9-28mm-medieval-parish-church.html)
Title: Re: 28mm Medieval Church Recommendations Please
Post by: Atheling on November 22, 2020, 02:35:01 PM: Looks like an old Ian Weekley model so it will be quality.

The only thing I would say is that I bought a castle/city wall and the resin, which was of good quality was solid and very heavy- I had to carry it from Vapnartak to York train station! It nearly cost me my back lol
Title: Re: 28mm Medieval Church Recommendations Please
Post by: Black Burt on November 22, 2020, 04:40:43 PM: Not resin but I am considering getting the Sarissa Saxon/Norman church, price £20, but there is a Black Friday deal to get a 20% discount at present, code is Black2020.
https://sarissa-precision.com/collections/dark-ages-28mm/products/saxon-normanchurch
Title: Re: 28mm Medieval Church Recommendations Please
Post by: Harry Faversham on November 23, 2020, 12:26:53 AM: I got this church from the last ever Sheffield Triples show. If memory serves, thirty quid ready painted...

(http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=109974.0;attach=80299;image)

(http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=109974.0;attach=80302;image)

:)
Title: Re: 28mm Medieval Church Recommendations Please
Post by: SJWi on November 23, 2020, 05:40:10 AM: Hoka Hey produce a basic MdF medieval church for £16. Would probably need extra detailing but not bad value. I have the old Gallia church, but I think Gallia are long gone....
Title: Re: 28mm Medieval Church Recommendations Please
Post by: Ogrob on November 23, 2020, 09:15:31 AM: I think 1st Corps have a nice one. I have some of their resin terrain and it is really nice quality.
Title: Re: 28mm Medieval Church Recommendations Please
Post by: David Cowper on November 23, 2020, 10:54:31 AM: I have the Sarissa mdf Norman church. It looks good if you add brickwork and tiles or render the walls. I spent April cutting and gluing on card tiles and bricks in between online teaching.
Title: Re: 28mm Medieval Church Recommendations Please
Post by: Atheling on November 23, 2020, 11:16:04 AM: If i were you I would go to the expense of buying Grand Manner (see links below).

Grand Manner simply cannot be beaten for quality and craftsmanship. Nothing comes close for historical resins IMHO.

https://www.grandmanner.co.uk/Stone_built_Medieval_Church--product--589.html (https://www.grandmanner.co.uk/Stone_built_Medieval_Church--product--589.html)

https://www.grandmanner.co.uk/Church_Collection--product--590.html (https://www.grandmanner.co.uk/Church_Collection--product--590.html)
Title: Re: 28mm Medieval Church Recommendations Please
Post by: Dr DeAth on November 23, 2020, 12:18:44 PM: Quote from: Atheling on November 23, 2020, 11:16:04 AM

If i were you I would go to the expense of buying Grand Manner (see links below).

Quote from: Winston on November 22, 2020, 02:24:31 PM

Budget is about £40-£50.

Think you missed the bit about budgets Atheling, Grand Manner is 5 to 10 times more expensive than the budget.
Title: Re: 28mm Medieval Church Recommendations Please
Post by: Atheling on November 23, 2020, 12:27:21 PM: Quote from: Dr De'Ath on November 23, 2020, 12:18:44 PM
Think you missed the bit about budgets Atheling, Grand Manner is 5 to 10 times more expensive than the budget.

lol Apologies, so I did lol

I think it unlikely that you are going to be able to buy a high quality resin church for a £40-£50 budget. 1st Corp do one but it is definitely from an earlier date than that of a Norman church. If you are happy on settling for an Anglo Saxon church then the 1st Corp model would be fine. However, the Normans tore down nearly all the Anglo Saxon churches and built motte and baileys, even just for market space.....
Title: Re: 28mm Medieval Church Recommendations Please
Post by: Winston on November 23, 2020, 12:50:05 PM: lol Grand Manner = the best - no question of that. But at that price...... 'taint happening. So I suppose I'm trying to find something that can be made to look good - either with a lick of paint - or at least minimum modelling effort. It can be MDF - just so long as it's not so perfect-looking or lego-like that I have to spend hours and hours on it - at which point I may as well just scratchbuild and be done with it. Difficult balance I know. I might go with the Magister Militum one. It's intriguing to look at, and looks like a good painting will do the job!
Title: Re: 28mm Medieval Church Recommendations Please
Post by: SJWi on November 23, 2020, 12:55:05 PM: Winston, one thing to think about is the size. I believe the Magister Militum buildings are the old Ian Weekley range that date back to the ‘80s or early ‘90s. They may have been aimed at 25mm figures and if so it might not look right with newer ranges. Worth checking.
Title: Re: 28mm Medieval Church Recommendations Please
Post by: Atheling on November 23, 2020, 01:40:50 PM: Quote from: SJWi on November 23, 2020, 12:55:05 PM
Winston, one thing to think about is the size. I believe the Magister Militum buildings are the old Ian Weekley range

They are but they are fine for 28mm. I've got quite a few models from the old Ian Weekely ranges. I'll try to pop up a picture ASAP.
Title: Re: 28mm Medieval Church Recommendations Please
Post by: David Cowper on November 23, 2020, 03:48:28 PM: I think Footsore are going to do a Norman Church as part of the next Baron's War kickstarter. Of course you would have to wait quite a while.
Title: Re: 28mm Medieval Church Recommendations Please
Post by: SJWi on November 23, 2020, 04:51:55 PM: By the way Gripping Beast produce a resin church for £25. Probably more Anglo-Saxon than Norman/Medieval but would probably pass muster as a rural church or chapel.
Title: Re: 28mm Medieval Church Recommendations Please
Post by: Atheling on November 23, 2020, 05:30:41 PM: Quote from: SJWi on November 23, 2020, 04:51:55 PM
By the way Gripping Beast produce a resin church for £25. Probably more Anglo-Saxon than Norman/Medieval but would probably pass muster as a rural church or chapel.

Definitely Anglo Saxon. It really depends on how Norman you want the church to look. The Norman 'aristocracy' just tore down whatever they felt like removing to make way for their own building projects and I'm not just talking fortifications. If you take a look at the history of Norwich you will get a real feel for the damage they did to the local community- they gutted it.
Title: Re: 28mm Medieval Church Recommendations Please
Post by: Rick F on November 23, 2020, 09:52:36 PM: Winston, I have the Magister Millitum church in my shed. It's a nice building and fits in well with my other buildings from Hovels. Not much to say about it really, looks just like the picture on their website.
Title: Re: 28mm Medieval Church Recommendations Please
Post by: Oli on November 23, 2020, 10:19:31 PM: Here is a pic of the Magister Militum church with a pretty quick coat of paint: https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-JI85JKkf7I8/XMiqFjwQf_I/AAAAAAAAD4I/sLcoIHpea80scHr5mBpT1NXZtwcCpV8jwCLcBGAs/s1600/100_8156.jpg
Title: Re: 28mm Medieval Church Recommendations Please
Post by: Eric the Shed on November 24, 2020, 06:57:51 AM: how big a church do you need - petit properties do a great Norman church but it is huge...

https://www.petitepropertiesltd.com/48th-scale-st-thomas-church-kit.html (https://www.petitepropertiesltd.com/48th-scale-st-thomas-church-kit.html)

pictures of church

(http://i1082.photobucket.com/albums/j375/ErictheShed/28mm%20Church/C3_zps7ca8a7e6.jpg)

(http://i1082.photobucket.com/albums/j375/ErictheShed/28mm%20Church/C6_zpsf5b11a08.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm Medieval Church Recommendations Please
Post by: Winston on November 24, 2020, 11:30:06 AM: Quote from: Oli on November 23, 2020, 10:19:31 PM
Here is a pic of the Magister Militum church with a pretty quick coat of paint: https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-JI85JKkf7I8/XMiqFjwQf_I/AAAAAAAAD4I/sLcoIHpea80scHr5mBpT1NXZtwcCpV8jwCLcBGAs/s1600/100_8156.jpg

Thanks that's massively helpful - it looks good - but quite small? Is that fair or do you find it scales ok?
Title: Re: 28mm Medieval Church Recommendations Please
Post by: SJWi on November 24, 2020, 12:41:07 PM: Winston, to be honest that’s why I commented earlier . It is said that it fits well with “Hovels”. To my mind these are more suitable for older style “”25mm” figures than the latest 28mm .
Title: Re: 28mm Medieval Church Recommendations Please
Post by: Arcane Steve on November 24, 2020, 12:47:22 PM: Sarissa make a couple of churches that might be suitable. The Dark Age Church is priced at £20 and they make an 'Old English church' that we have on offer at £34.99. Both are post free from my shop:

https://arcanesceneryandmodels.co.uk/shop/ww-europe-old-english-church-28mm-laser-cut-mdf-kit-h002/

https://arcanesceneryandmodels.co.uk/shop/dark-age-church-28mm-laser-cut-mdf-scale-building-j011/

I'm currently working on the Dark Age church for a village project. Progress so far:

(https://arcanesceneryandmodels.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/127442532_10158847869340429_5635583900153554108_n.jpg)
Title: Re: 28mm Medieval Church Recommendations Please
Post by: Atheling on November 24, 2020, 01:44:46 PM: I suppose there are two ways of looking at size when it comes to wargames terrain.

If you're going to be playing skirmish games one might prefer a larger size terrain piece.

If massed battle; then something with a smaller footprint might be preferable.

(I'm not ruling out the fact that sometimes a happy medium maty be obtained.)

You pays your money, you takes your choice :)
Title: Re: 28mm Medieval Church Recommendations Please
Post by: Oli on November 24, 2020, 02:58:41 PM: The Magister Militum model is quite small - narrow in particular but it does fit well with other stuff. In that image it is with the Perry Irish figures if that helps
Title: Re: 28mm Medieval Church Recommendations Please
Post by: metalface13 on November 25, 2020, 04:03:18 AM: This is probably too medieval rather than dark ages, but Tabletop Workshop has a nice chapel.

https://store.warlordgames.com/products/medieval-chapel?_pos=3&_sid=cb526a6e5&_ss=r&variant=31469061898320

(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0255/0949/4864/products/Medieval-Chapel-Box-Artwork.jpg?v=1575566007)
Title: Re: 28mm Medieval Church Recommendations Please
Post by: SJWi on November 25, 2020, 05:29:21 AM: I don't know if you followed up my earlier post mentioning Hoka Hey. Their basic medieval church is £16. Probably needs a bit of work to render to walls but that shouldn't take too long. I must admit the Tabletop Workshop chapel does look very nice and is less than £20. I also see that "War World Gaming" produce an MdF medieval church in 28mm for less than £20. It may be in the Fantasy section. Looks quite nice.
Title: Re: 28mm Medieval Church Recommendations Please
Post by: Atheling on November 25, 2020, 10:04:18 AM: Quote from: SJWi on November 25, 2020, 05:29:21 AM
I don't know if you followed up my earlier post mentioning Hoka Hey. Their basic medieval church is £16. Probably needs a bit of work to render to walls but that shouldn't take too long. I must admit the Tabletop Workshop chapel does look very nice and is less than £20. I also see that "War World Gaming" produce an MdF medieval church in 28mm for less than £20. It may be in the Fantasy section. Looks quite nice.

I had a bad experience with War World Gaming paint stands. One of the sets they sent out to be was made with an obvious offcut and didn't fit together at all. not even cut remotely right. Quality control was lacking or they didn't care. I was not a happy bunny. I got a replacement eventually.
Title: Re: 28mm Medieval Church Recommendations Please
Post by: voltan on November 25, 2020, 11:03:34 AM: The Amera kit is cheap at £12.99 but would require some work on it.

http://www.amera.co.uk/product.php?range=f
ninth one down
Title: Re: 28mm Medieval Church Recommendations Please
Post by: tin shed gamer on November 25, 2020, 11:11:58 AM: The 1st Corps Dark Age church is a little too early as its Romano British at push early Saxon.
If you do choose to pimp an mdf church blank. Then I'd personally avoid the Branded version. Opting for a trawl of ebay as its much easier to find a starting point model nearer to your personal interpretation/expectations from as little as £12. A while back I mused on this subject looking to simply enjoy painting something I hadn't had to make myself. In the end it worked out both cheaper and more enjoyable to pimp an off brand mdf blank.
If your willing to spend a little more then it maybe worthwhile looking at Adrians Wall's similar in set up to Grand Manner prepainted resins . I believe their prepainted resin darkage church is around the £57-£58 mark.
Also there's quite a few kitchen table modelers flogging 3D printed churches floating around on auction site's admittedly some of the are trying to put their kids through college with a single sale.
I'd also have a look at the workbench board as well. As a church is a very useful piece of kit . You'll find plenty of inspirational 'How to' Church building threads. You might end up building your own.

Mark.
Title: Re: 28mm Medieval Church Recommendations Please
Post by: caveadsum1471 on November 25, 2020, 03:04:51 PM: Norm on his recent War of the Roses, Never mind the billhooks post has got the old Airfix/dapol plastic kit which you can pick up for about £5 1/72 but as Aelthing points out it depends if you want skirmish (big) or something slightly smaller, I think it works rather well.
Alternatively https://caveadsum1471.blogspot.com/2019/06/?m=0
This is a Hornby plastic church,again HO/OO but I think works pretty well and is definitely on budget!
Best Iain
Title: Re: 28mm Medieval Church Recommendations Please
Post by: SJWi on November 25, 2020, 07:10:22 PM: I guess the big question is whether you want something that looks right scale-wise or just a representation. The Airfix model will be more 20mm scale, the Magister Militum 25mm and other 28mm.

All will do a job.
Title: Re: 28mm Medieval Church Recommendations Please
Post by: Harry Faversham on November 27, 2020, 07:42:42 AM: Yep, Airfix classic from the dawn of time...

(https://www.thewargameswebsite.com/wp-content/uploads/hm_bbpui/126507/jvutax782jofutd0jijah04lfwepar1v.jpg)

:-*
Title: Re: 28mm Medieval Church Recommendations Please
Post by: Juan on November 27, 2020, 09:38:41 AM: There is a future release from Footsore Miniatures, for their "Barons War" range.