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Miniatures Adventure => The Great War => Topic started by: Darkoath on January 08, 2010, 04:05:00 AM
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I started this thread with the hope that people here will post photographs, websites, and reviews of the various companies that sell resin trench scenery that can be used for WW1 gaming. Hopefully this will become a sticky that can help someone who has decided to start doing WW1! :D
Darkoath
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I have some Amera vac formed plastic trenches that i think are great value, (i know that the heading says Resin but i thought that these should be included any way
http://www.amera.co.uk/product.php?range=z
They are a good width, no fire step though. but very easy to cut & add one. They need a littile bit of work to get the very best from them.
Also in plastic is the nice Kalistra Trench system, that you can get preflocked to just plonk straight on the table:
http://www.kallistra.co.uk/
At the other end of the scale there is the fantastic Grand Manner resin trenches & accessories:
http://www.grandmanner.co.uk/shop/prodtype.asp?PT_ID=78&strPageHistory=cat
http://www.grandmanner.co.uk/shop/prodtype.asp?PT_ID=81&strPageHistory=cat
There is Ironclad miniatures resin trenches, not seen these in the flesh but have heard good reports:
http://www.ironcladminiatures.co.uk/shop/category_16/25_28mm-Trenches.html?shop_param=cid%3D%26
There's also some resin trenches & inserts coming from Barry Carter that look really nice (don't have a web address though)
Keith :?
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Here are some Ironclad trenches i am working on. Deliberated hard to decide which route to go, but in the end decided that I just did not have space to store the variety of boards I would want for variation so went with these. Some have been customised with additional sandbags, helmets, corugated iron etc, for a liitle variety.
(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg43/olafnn/ironclad001.jpg)
(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg43/olafnn/ironclad002.jpg)
(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg43/olafnn/ironclad003.jpg)
(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg43/olafnn/ironclad004.jpg)
(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg43/olafnn/ironclad005.jpg)
(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg43/olafnn/ironclad006.jpg)
(http://i245.photobucket.com/albums/gg43/olafnn/ironclad007.jpg)
More inspiration if you are making your own here
http://www.flickr.com/photos/14070347@N04/
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I've done a lot of research on this. I like the set into the table style, but the resin ones are often above ground. I plan to use a mix of a whole lotta stuff. I like Snap Dragon but he's semi-retired.
I have a lot of links on this page:
http://nurgle.muschamp.ca/paintingAdvice.html
Including links to trench making tutorials. The winter Too Fat Lardies seasonal newsletter had two articles on making WWI trenches.
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I am not so fond of the "raised" trenches available. I plan to build my own using the trench inserts from Timeline. The trenches I have received have been of good quality and the service has been excellent
http://timeline-miniatures.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content&view=category&layout=blog&id=40&Itemid=61
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Here's some pictures of the amera Z232 Sandbag position:
(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p176/aircav_album/ww1%20Central%20powers/DSC00231.jpg)
Front view with a Great War miniatures sniper
(http://i128.photobucket.com/albums/p176/aircav_album/ww1%20Central%20powers/DSC00230.jpg)Rear view with a Great War miniatures sniper
Keith :?
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Barry Carter = Timeline Miniatures:
http://timeline-miniatures.co.uk/
Keith :D
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heres a link to some photos of my amera trench, I still plan to add to it in the future, they are pretty good value for money.
http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=6423.msg76445#msg76445
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I've used for WW1 and other games the Conflix trenchsystem.
http://www.magictoybox-online.co.uk/acatalog/Conflix.html
Here are some pictures as I use it for a SF setting:
(http://www.imgimg.de/uploads/aRIMG0004647a065fJPG.jpg)
(http://www.imgimg.de/uploads/aRIMG00076a3a5330JPG.jpg)
(http://www.imgimg.de/uploads/aRIMG0009238392d4JPG.jpg)
(http://www.imgimg.de/uploads/aRIMG00035c133b12JPG.jpg)
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I'd forgotten about Conflix, just about to start late WWI and this is just the job.
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Not familiar with Conflix, good work on the Death Korps of Krieg. Or Death Korps esque. I'm chipping away at my hobby to do list and hope to show some trenchworks soon...
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Here's some we produce.
(http://xa.yimg.com/kq/groups/15236956/sn/296678398/name/Trench+3.jpg)
(http://xa.yimg.com/kq/groups/15236956/sn/914804316/name/Trench+4.jpg)
(http://xa.yimg.com/kq/groups/15236956/sn/1285103419/name/Trench+1.jpg)
(http://xa.yimg.com/kq/groups/15236956/sn/398546554/name/Trench+2.jpg)
Cheers,
Jeff @ JTFM
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They are very nice :D
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Games of War do some, saw them at Smoggycon last year, very nice.
http://gamesofwar.net/acatalog/The_Great_War_-_Supplies.html (http://gamesofwar.net/acatalog/The_Great_War_-_Supplies.html)
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We have inherited the IT miniatures trench system along with the figures, these will be in production soon.
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Not familiar with Conflix, good work on the Death Korps of Krieg. Or Death Korps esque.
At first I thought they were (Mutant Chronicles) Warzone Bauhaus troops - but now I think only the heads are - and maybe put on IG bodies...? :o 8)
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They are converted GW figs, at least some of them. I'm no IG expert. GW used to make a lot of different Imperial Guard units they look a bit like Steel Legion or Praetorians... or Deth Korps as I first guessed.
I bought a lot of resin WW1-esque battlefield terrain. I like SnapDragon but he's not producing the vast amount of stuff he was. I got some SnapDragon pieces on my painting table right now. I'll have them done in a day or so, so you can see them painted up. I'm doing a whole WW1 inspired modular trench table right now. I'm using Styrofoam and Popsicle sticks as well as sand, grit, cat liter, even some cork as my main medium, but I bought a pile of resin terrain to scatter about and augment/supplement the scratch built stuff. You can follow along at the blog I set up.
http://musksminiatures.wordpress.com/category/terrain/trench-table/ (http://musksminiatures.wordpress.com/category/terrain/trench-table/)
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I finished painting two Snapdragon entrenchments. At the time I did my online shopping and research I thought these were the nicest. He's since stopped making them, but I paid the piper and ordered a bunch before then. These are the first two I've painted so far:
(http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4073/4756282776_e59084431c.jpg)
They are of course part of my modular trench table linked to above.
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Barry Carter = Timeline Miniatures:
http://timeline-miniatures.co.uk/
Keith :D
Just by way of an update, Timeline appear to be basically out of business currently.
I tried to order a load of their resin pieces (stone walls, mostly) around September this year, their site took my order, Paypal worked, then about two weeks later I got an email saying there would be a delay. A month or so after that I got an email saying their scheme to move production to Thailand was foundering on shipping costs being far higher than they expected or similar, would I like a refund?
The refund came through fairly promptly, and I asked Barry to let me know when he got his issues sorted out and resumed shipping product, as I still wanted the stone walls and such.
Never have heard back from him. Note that the last update on their website appears to be from 2009, and also talks about the Thailand-based scheme having issues, so who knows what is actually going on there.
Pity, as the trench inserts do look good, as do the various stone walls. I'd spend a pretty good chunk of money with Timeline, if only they were in position to actually ship product. I am disappointed they haven't updated the website, disabled the shopping cart or anything to actually note BEFORE you make a purchase that they're not able to actually ship product. Communication was OK throughout and the refund came through reasonably quickly, but I'd rather have gotten the scenery I wanted...
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IT Figures are excellent! They fit the old Snapdreagon trench system very well.
I inherited some of the Ironclad trench system and had a little of my own. It is nice too.
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IT Figures are excellent! They fit the old Snapdreagon trench system very well.
I inherited some of the Ironclad trench system and had a little of my own. It is nice too.
The only IT MIniatures stuff I can find is 20mm; do they make 28mm trench scenery as well? (http://www.itminiatures.co.uk/it-fort-1.html (http://www.itminiatures.co.uk/it-fort-1.html))
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I WOULD LIKE TO SAY THAT I AM VERY SORRY To all those who showed interest in and who have felt let down by myself and Timeline-Miniatures...................To cut a long story short the move to Thailand turned into a nightmare as far as production of the trench system was concerned.
Anyway I am at present rebuilding the models and planning production in the UK.
I will be concentrating on the inserts,which can be used to detail trenches built with polystyrene,whether "dug" into the material or made to stand on the table surface, independantly and also adding a few new pieces to the range
Because much of the original material has survived and having found mould making and production facilities ,it shouldnt take too long to get into production...............I wont give any dates at the moment, you've heard it all before...........so I will post on here as and when items can be bought
Barry
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Barry,
great news! Your trench inserts are really good ;)
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Thankyou
The problem has been the manufacturing and sales.
unfortunately I am not a good businessman
I am not going to say too much ,as I said I will wait till its available for sale, but I am contracting out the mould making and casting to a UK firm......so fingers crossed
Barry
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Hi
just to let you know that some pieces of the Timeline-miniatures trench system are now at the production moulding stage and the first pieces will be for sale in the not too distant future.....probably on here first as the website is being rebuilt
regards
Barry....
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Never done WW1 before but good to hear you are hopefully soon back in business.
Gracias,
Glenn
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(http://)My son had his new 15mm trench set out at Warfare 2012 and sold out over that weekend .Hes run off a second batch now in black resin and there are now some on my http://glynrr.blogspot.co.uk/
Had great fun in designing and making the master for him (Elite Wargames and Models) now looking at 15mm houses as my next project
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Here are a couple of pic's of our trench system from the IT miniatures range.
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Messed that up yet again. Lets try this one
(http://imageshack.us/a/img266/346/41920947.jpg)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img825/7577/partsj.jpg)
second time lucky
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Paul from EWM recently passed me along some photos of the newest additions to his growing 20mm Trench System.
The pieces in the shots below have just gone into production and I believe were unveiled this past weekend at EURO MODEL EXPO 2013 in Germany. No doubt Paul will announce their availability and possible promotional pricing via the EWM website (http://earlywarminiatures.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=366_387_384)... The selection of pieces already available as of this posting is impressive and worth checking out.
The EWM Trench System is designed to be held together with rare-earth magnets to create sturdy, good looking terrain that is also easy to store.
(http://img577.imageshack.us/img577/8941/ewmbt1.jpg) (http://img577.imageshack.us/i/ewmbt1.jpg/)
These are large pieces of vacuum-formed polystyrene and come with additional white-metal bits for added detail and customisation. These are designed for the 20mm gamer, and typical 'penny basing' is part of the plan. If you use a 19mm base for your minis, you will have no problems positioning your figures in the trenches or on the firing steps.
(http://img715.imageshack.us/img715/9620/ewmbt1c.jpg) (http://img715.imageshack.us/i/ewmbt1c.jpg/)
I gave EWM's line of 'Vac-Formed' terrain a go and found it well detailed and easy to work with. You could use these 'as is', or take the time to cut them into a deeper terrain-tile. Vacuum formed terrain like this is terrifically light-weight, the pieces I ordered cost very little in terms of postage to Canada.
(http://img811.imageshack.us/img811/2770/ewmbt2.jpg) (http://img811.imageshack.us/i/ewmbt2.jpg/)
These newly released pieces allow for an extensive and flexible trench-works with the addition of a communication trench and a broader selection of 'in' and 'out' turns.
(http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/4363/ewmbt2d.jpg) (http://img199.imageshack.us/i/ewmbt2d.jpg/)
While I would be tempted to use these for my Eastern Front gaming, they also make a WWI project look a lot easier to contemplate!
(http://img819.imageshack.us/img819/7686/ewmbt5ba.jpg) (http://img819.imageshack.us/i/ewmbt5ba.jpg/)
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Given I use penny bases for 28mm figures, this tempts.
How does the depth look against a 28mm figure, though?
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Hello guys,
After seeing all this trenches one question:
How do you paint them?
Thanks & cheers,
Frank
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Hi Frank,
I painted these following this method:
Wash first in warm soapy water, dry.
Undercoat with mat grey acrylic paint spray.
Once dry, paint with acrylic paints, I did drag browns and green first. Also, paint out sand bags in dard yellows, wooden boarding in brown and wriggly tin in khaki green. I then picked out some of the sand bagging with a dark brown.
Then apply sepia wash over the whole model and allow to dry.
Apply a black wash to trench wooden boarding areas.. Allow to dry.
Then dry brush using ever lighter Colures.
Seal with a Matt varnish and apply flock to edges.
Thats it.
I am currently doing a painting guide and how to build video to go with the product.
I hope to get these on the web store before the end of this week. More pictures will follow.
Thanks for your interest,
Paul T @EWM
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Hi Paul,
Thanks a lot for the info!
I will try my luck then using the method....looking forward to the outcome.
Cheers,
Frank
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A few more pictures with the first and second lines connected.
(http://earlywarminiatures.com/bmz_cache/9/98799b0b7da34aebd8504873f163f950.image.120x90.jpg)
(http://earlywarminiatures.com/bmz_cache/5/5e9d9c6823fffb6388e7493910321312.image.120x90.jpg)
(http://earlywarminiatures.com/bmz_cache/9/900ae97b544b461795afa089be98c8f2.image.120x90.jpg)
Cheers
Paul T- EWM
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Given I use penny bases for 28mm figures, this tempts.
How does the depth look against a 28mm figure, though?
WL, here are a couple of shots of one of the new 28mm Perry's Desert War Brits in the EWM trench-works.
Clearly, the parapet could be higher, but this certainly tells the story. Keep in mind, this is an unbased figure upon the firing-step, any figures down in the trench proper would be better 'protected'.
(http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/5296/img3546mb.jpg) (http://img7.imageshack.us/i/img3546mb.jpg/)
Perry Bros. Desert War Brit used with permission.
(http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/6007/img3550rl.jpg) (http://img11.imageshack.us/i/img3550rl.jpg/)
This range may be big enough to work with 28mm figures, but the interior spacing has been created with penny (19mm) basing in mind, so while your figures would have no trouble, figures on 30mm bases may have a tough time getting a good fit.
(http://img4.imageshack.us/img4/7021/img3551cm.jpg) (http://img4.imageshack.us/i/img3551cm.jpg/)
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Some more pictures showing the first and second lines connected. Distance from front line through comms trench to rear is 32 inches. You will see they are all held together by magnets, on plastic card surface for photo's, but they all hold together really well. If careful, you can pick up the entire front line in one joined section.
(http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/5138/frontlineandsupply1.jpg)
(http://img203.imageshack.us/img203/6725/frontlineandsupply2.jpg)
(http://img802.imageshack.us/img802/5500/frontlineandsupply3.jpg)
More details can be found at:-
http://earlywarminiatures.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=413_422 (http://earlywarminiatures.com/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=413_422)
The range is now available and some of it is already loaded on the store. The rest will follow shortly.
Thanks for your interest,
Paul T@EWM
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That is quite impressive, and 28mm figures look like they'd be fine in these trenches, at least assuming you don't used oversize bases!
Thanks for sharing the photos, peabody & Von milligan!
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I made these using Styrofoam and wood filler. It really didn't take all that long and I think they turned out fairly well.
http://s219.photobucket.com/user/tjm3/library/?sort=2&page=1
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I made these using Styrofoam and wood filler. It really didn't take all that long and I think they turned out fairly well.
http://s219.photobucket.com/user/tjm3/library/?sort=2&page=1
That does look good. It also looks incredibly familiar - did you run a Canadians vs Germans WW1 trench battle at Vancouver, BC's Trumpeter Salute convention a couple years ago, with chlorine gas clouds?
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WL, that's the chap. The White Rock boys always bring something memorable to Trumpeters Salute each year.
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WL, yes that was me, of the White Rock Group.
Here are some photos of it.
http://s219.photobucket.com/user/tjm3/library/Trumpeter%20Salute%202010?sort=2&page=3
Chris Leach is working on a WW1 supplement for "Battles for Empire 2". We used a variant of the BFE 1 in this game with some gas rules I came up with for the game.
Cheers,
Thomas
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Good show Thomas! Always nice to see another lower-mainlander here on the LAF.
Excellent news that Chris is going to focus on a more modern theatre... I have yet to catch the Horse & Musket bug although Walter and Francis keep trying to infect.
Will have to get working on my stash of 28mm Doughboys!
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Just been reading through your posts,and thought I'd add my two pennies worth.I've tackled trenches in a slightly different way opting to represent a breastworks rather than traditional trench works,as no matter how good the sculpting the fact is the model always ends up sitting on the table,rather than being part of table. So l've embraced the fact and made it part of the design.
The main difference is this system has stand alone component's ie fire trench ,mortar pit,fwd op.etc So you can use them with or without a trench system.Which makes them more usable .There is a system of chest hight communication trenches with built in barbed wire . There is set of barbed wire on resin bases.Its not on release just yet (early 2014).but if you nag 1st Corps Miniatures.they may let me post some pic's
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The EWM stuff really looks like the best bet. It's really a shame that it's 20mm. I'm guessing that with big figures like those from Great War minis it will look much too small. Might work with OldGlory figures mounted on pennies though. I wonder how it would look with Scarabs or Brigade Games stuff? Otherwise I guess Kallistra is the only real option for those of us unskilled enough to make our own trenches...
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Hi,
Attached are some pics of my trenches. They are from Urban Construct and were painted by Meic Kelly.
(http://i1360.photobucket.com/albums/r660/Armchairsaxon/02NovAutumnOffensive020_zpsbdc401f7.jpg) (http://s1360.photobucket.com/user/Armchairsaxon/media/02NovAutumnOffensive020_zpsbdc401f7.jpg.html)
(http://i1360.photobucket.com/albums/r660/Armchairsaxon/02NovAutumnOffensive017_zps2d4e5444.jpg) (http://s1360.photobucket.com/user/Armchairsaxon/media/02NovAutumnOffensive017_zps2d4e5444.jpg.html)
(http://i1360.photobucket.com/albums/r660/Armchairsaxon/02NovAutumnOffensive016_zps3717e595.jpg) (http://s1360.photobucket.com/user/Armchairsaxon/media/02NovAutumnOffensive016_zps3717e595.jpg.html)
(http://i1360.photobucket.com/albums/r660/Armchairsaxon/02NovAutumnOffensive015_zpscba670cd.jpg) (http://s1360.photobucket.com/user/Armchairsaxon/media/02NovAutumnOffensive015_zpscba670cd.jpg.html)
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http://www.achesoncreations.com/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&view=category&virtuemart_category_id=63
(http://www.achesoncreations.com/images/stories/virtuemart/product/20tc215-boxed-trench-systemx800.jpg)
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http://www.achesoncreations.com/index.php?option=com_virtuemart&view=category&virtuemart_category_id=5
(http://www.achesoncreations.com/images/stories/virtuemart/product/WWI_Zig_Zag_Tren_4d46db017e071.jpg)
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I think the EWM looks perfect for 28mm, not to high when standing on the firing step and perfect when figures are in the bottom part of the trench. All in all there are some lovely piece's of terrain here, I'm just getting into the Great War and looking to do the early stages of the BEF, but will no doubt end up venturing into the trenches at some point.
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Tunnies Terrain do some. Based in Norfolk UK.
Tunnies Terrain (http://tunniesterrain.co.uk/product-category/trenches/)