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Title: Spanish Civil War Queries Tips & Resources
Post by: WillieB on January 24, 2010, 07:23:28 PM
Probably seems like a stupid question, and the only reason I'm asking is because I like to add as much variety to my figures as possible.

Was the Guardia Civil allowed to wear mustaches or beards during the SCW?

Thanks very much for any info!

Willie
Title: Re: Guardia Civil in the SCW question
Post by: Arlequín on January 24, 2010, 10:23:42 PM
I'm not 100% but I gather they followed army regulations, so moustaches yes, beards no. If you want variation, the gorillo cap was very common in the field (same green/grey colour as GC uniform with iirc red trim for other ranks and gold braid for officers).

If your Spanish is up to it this might help http://www.elgrancapitan.org/foro/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=7416&start=90
Title: Re: Guardia Civil in the SCW question
Post by: WillieB on January 25, 2010, 02:58:27 PM
Thanks Jim!

I'll probably add another eight to the unit with gorillos, and a few with moustaches (my size  ;) )
Red trim as you said, in fact a wide band of red all around the cap.Looks good.

Come to think of it. The Anglian/Empress figures of the GC don't have the scalloped cuff patches.
Probably simple to just paint them, but how would you add the three silver buttons? Superglue gel? White wood-glue? Since the rest of the buttons are quite prominent I don't think I could get away by just painting them on.
Title: Re: Guardia Civil in the SCW question
Post by: Arlequín on January 25, 2010, 04:58:46 PM
You might get away with painting them, they sort of look to be flat rather than domed.

The red band in Bueno's book seems to be about 2cm, but I found this pic...

(http://www.guerracivil1936.com/web/images/stories/4201616.jpg)

and one with a beard....

(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_KHpOtg410M0/SE_qRtkViZI/AAAAAAAAAY8/XcCMQ9M3IGI/s1600/Brigadistas%2Binternacionales%2Bprisioneros%2Ba%2Bla%2Bespera%2Bdel%2Brancho,%2Bcustodiados%2Bpor%2Bguardia%2Bcivil.jpg)

and these guys seem to have black belts etc instead of the 'yellow' leather normally depicted...

(http://img442.imageshack.us/img442/5436/jmgl8768vz8.jpg)
Title: Re: Guardia Civil in the SCW question
Post by: WillieB on January 25, 2010, 11:12:29 PM
Thanks Jim,

I'm going to make an additional squad of 10 since I've got a spare NCO anyway. Two or three with moustaches and the rest with the gorillo cap will add a lot of variety. Think I'm going for the Bueno version simply because it looks so distinct.

Going to try painting on the cuff buttons tomorrow- red paint is still wet now and it's getting late.

Title: Spanish Civil War Queries Tips & Resources
Post by: THE CID on June 12, 2010, 10:03:06 AM
Hi   After receiving my latest Empress Spanish civil war figs, ie  female militia [ which are superb ] are there any online painting guides or any suggestions for any troop types. Thanks  THE CID.
Title: Re: SPANISH CIVIL WAR PAINTING GUIDES NEEDED.
Post by: Arlequín on June 12, 2010, 11:19:53 AM
There's a basic guide here;

http://balagan.org.uk/war/spanish-civil-war/painting-guide.htm

You might get some ideas here too;

http://www.lacolumna.org.uk/

You're best googling particular troop types and seeing what are thrown up under the images, you'll often find that someone has lifted various illustrations from the few books available.

José Maria Bueno, "Uniformes Militares de la Guerra Civil Espanola" is the seminal, if somewhat crudely illutrated, one stop book. The text is in Spanish but it isn't a major obstacle. The few Osprey books used his drawings to base their illustrations on.

The militias were un-uniformed and wore everyday work dress, within which the ubiquitous blue 'mono' would be heavily represented. White shirts were the most common colour of the time. White canvas alpargartas or sandals would be common in the warmer months too. Scarves and headwear were predominantly red for communists and socialists, or split red/black for anarchists.

Obviously there's a bit more to it than the brief outline above....  ;)   

If you have specific queries, the Interwar Board is probably the best place to ask them.

One excellent site if you know little about the conflict is this one;

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/WARspain.htm
Title: Re: SPANISH CIVIL WAR PAINTING GUIDES NEEDED.
Post by: THE CID on June 13, 2010, 09:25:18 AM
Thanks Jim thats great, very helpful.  THE CID.
Title: Spanish Civil War Queries Tips & Resources
Post by: The Gray Ghost on June 19, 2010, 04:16:25 PM
What color were Nationalist tanks painted?
Title: Re: SCW Tank Colors
Post by: Doc Twilight on June 19, 2010, 05:11:29 PM
Any of a variety of colors. I have seen Light Grey, Dark Grey, Dark Green, and Brown, to name but a few. German tanks tended to be grey or green, Italian tanks were almost always green, and some had disruptive splotches of mustard and red oxide; the Spanish crewed vehicles could be painted in the colors they arrived in, with Spanish markings, but a few had unique color schemes.

-Doc
Title: Re: SCW Tank Colors
Post by: Helen on June 19, 2010, 08:54:33 PM
Here are some links that may assist you:

http://www.missing-lynx.com/gallery/other/pzi_jgazquez.html

http://www.missing-lynx.com/gallery/other/szt26.htm

http://www.o5m6.de/espana.html

Helen
Title: Re: SCW Tank Colors
Post by: Arlequín on June 20, 2010, 06:49:48 PM
Not a straight forward question to answer. It would depend on the vehicle, who was operating it and when. The initial deliveries were rushed into combat, so the T26s, Panzer Is, L3/35s and Polish FT-17s were in their respective country's colours. Spanish army vehicles (on both sides) at the start of the war used a three colour camouflage, which was similar to the French pattern without the black outlines to each colour. Army soft-skins could be three-tone or Spanish army green. Improvised armoured vehicles were mostly battleship grey on the armour, but the original vehicle might still be in its original colour, as were commandeered civilian trucks. Local improvised vehicles could be painted with whatever was at hand.

There were field expedients used which mostly consisted of daubing mud over the vehicles original paintwork in broad stripes. This would fade, fall off in chunks or get washed away.

I'm guessing that Asalto vehicles, including their charabancs, trucks and Bilbao armoured cars, were a dark blue originally.

This would hold good for 1936 to early 1937, after which you see foreign supplied vehicles appearing in Spanish units and wearing Spanish camouflage patterns.
Title: Re: SCW Tank Colors
Post by: Dashetal on June 20, 2010, 09:44:06 PM
Thanks for the info. I have about 20 vehicles to paint lol
Title: Re: SCW Tank Colors
Post by: Arlequín on June 21, 2010, 06:27:18 AM
I believe Osprey have an SCW tanks book due out soon, this might be worth getting.
Title: Republican AT
Post by: svinkel on August 20, 2010, 09:41:46 PM
Hello i have a problem with some minis

Here the hats are blue/red, like phalangist :o. Is it correct  for republican army?

(http://anglianminiatures.co.uk/album/10/55033390.jpg)
Title: Re: Republican AT
Post by: Arlequín on August 21, 2010, 08:10:58 AM
No they are Spanish Army khaki-green with red piping in the photo, which is the correct colour and arm of service colour for infantry and artillery in the Spanish army. Cazadores and Mountain infantry had grass-green piping. I'm not sure if anti-tank guns came under the infantry or artillery in the Spanish army though.
Title: Re: Republican AT
Post by: WillieB on August 22, 2010, 05:25:59 PM
I believe they resorted under infantry Jim.
Title: Re: Republican AT
Post by: Axebreaker on August 30, 2010, 06:28:14 PM
If anything the painting sure is great! 8) 8)

Christopher
Title: Re: Republican AT
Post by: Arlequín on August 30, 2010, 06:41:57 PM
They were done by Andrew Taylor (http://www.atpainting.co.uk/). There's more eye candy on his site.  :)
Title: Spanish Civil War Queries Tips & Resources
Post by: Jonboy on October 05, 2010, 10:19:54 PM
Have finally given in to temptation and Empress Miniatures and starting out in 28mm SCW. So hi to everyone and thanks for all the info and ideas discussed on these pages. At the mo i'm looking at skirmish forces for T&T, starting out with CNT Militia and CTV for a Malaga game in 37. I know there has been discuucion on theCTV recently, so apologies if i'm going over old ground, but do any of you have triad suggestions for Italian grey using vallejo paints. And for 37 and Malaga, should i be mixing with older issue khaki as well?

Many thanks guys....newbie
Title: Re: Spanish Civil War for Beginners
Post by: Arlequín on October 07, 2010, 05:01:02 PM
Hi and welcome aboard!  :)

The first units of the CTV arrived in Khaki, which was great for July in Andalucia, but not so good for elsewhere. Photos of their taking of Santander in 1937 show mostly grey uniforms, but some men still have items of Khaki and a mix of Adrian and M1933 helmets.

I'm not 100% on this but I'm sure I read that the CTV units who went to Malaga (1st CCNN División "Dio lo Vuole") were relatively recent arrivals and wore the grey uniform with Adrian helmet, as shown here at Guadalajara a month later;

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/bc/Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-2006-1204-514%2C_Spanien%2C_Schlacht_um_Guadalajara.jpg)

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9e/Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-P0224-510%2C_Spanien%2C_Schlacht_um_Guadalajara.jpg)

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/01/Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-2006-1204-505%2C_Spanien%2C_Schlacht_um_Guadalajara.jpg)

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/01/Bundesarchiv_Bild_183-2006-1204-512%2C_Spanien%2C_Schlacht_um_Guadalajara.jpg)

Hope that helps.  :)
Title: Re: Spanish Civil War for Beginners
Post by: AndyG on October 07, 2010, 05:46:36 PM
Hi

I've been struggling with the same issue. As I understand it the  CTV wore a khaki uniform during their opeing campaigns in the south of Spain, but it proved unsuitable when they were moved north and they start to wear the Italian grey green european uniform.

The problem I've had is the right shade, Bueno shows the khaki as a very light sandy colour similar to what was worn in Abyssinia, but another Spanish book I have shows a much darker Khaki in use. I ended up going for the gray green uniform, but again no two sources seems to show the same shade. The only thing the books seem to agree on is that the WW2 uniform was darker than the WW1 version

I've done a test model that looks about right to me using

VMC 868 Dark Sea Green as the shade
VMC 888 Olive Green as the base, and
a mix of VMC 888 with VMC 884 stone grey for the highlights.

 The only doubt I have is the 868 looks too light for a good shade so I'm going to try VMC 896 extra dark green. Hope this helps
Title: Re: Spanish Civil War for Beginners
Post by: Arlequín on October 07, 2010, 06:05:43 PM
I'd go with the Abyssinia shade of Khaki for 1936, I seem to recall that the initial 'volunteers' thought that was where they were going (or Libya?) when they boarded the ships. Later troops would have worn the WW2 type uniform. I can't help you regarding colours though, but bear in mind that the mixed 'Flecha' divisions may have worn a mix of Spanish and Italian items, or this may have led to Spanish troops being labelled as 'Italians' or vice versa. It doesn't help that contemporary photos are often labelled as 'Nationalist troops' either, this was because neither Italy or Germany would admit they had men there. Personally I'd go for the grey-green myself too.  

The Khaki uniform would've been unsuitable very shortly after their arrival. Once you get away from the coast and into the mountains and highlands it can get quite cold, particularly after September. As late as April I've stopped for a snowball fight on the road between Ronda and Sevilla before changing back into shorts and a t-shirt to finish the journey.  
Title: Re: Spanish Civil War for Beginners
Post by: Jonboy on October 16, 2010, 08:00:35 PM
Many thanks for the outstanding input and photo's guys, regarding the ctv, i'll go for a predominently green/ grey with a smattering of Khaki and spanish nationalist kit. CTV always seem to be ignored and looking forward to getting some of the Empress miniatures on the table for Malaga.

Cheers guys
Title: Re: Spanish Civil War for Beginners
Post by: Arlequín on October 16, 2010, 10:56:28 PM
You're welcome, there are a few folk on here with a wealth of experience in SCW matters, so feel free to ask away if there's anything else you need help with.
 :)
Title: Re: Spanish Civil War for Beginners
Post by: Christian on October 17, 2010, 02:32:04 AM
Anthony Beevor wrote a great book on the SCW. There were also two films made about the SCW, one of them narrated by Jim Hale Ernest Hemingway! It might be floating around YouTube somewhere, it's called The Spanish Earth - very much skewed to the Left side of things (as you'd have guessed). There is also a movie in colour called Defends of the Faith, made by Russell Palmer, that evens things up for the Nationalists.

My grandfather actually fought in the SCW for the Nationalists. My mum's side of the family are Galician. Admittedly, they didn't see much up that way and they were happy not to. One of my granddad's cousins was a Colonel (I think?) and gave him leave to go home. He lost one or two brothers in the war. And come to think of it I may not even be here if things had turned out differently...

Also, we have a crucifix that an aunt of mine hid in her sock so the Communists wouldn't discover she was a Christian and kill her (or worse). Pretty serious stuff, eh?

EDIT:
Here's the first part of eight for Defenders of the Faith:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6hVRTmbP1c
And the first part of The Spanish Earth:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIZOQyP8usA
Title: Re: Spanish Civil War for Beginners
Post by: Arlequín on October 17, 2010, 07:30:49 AM
Easy mistake to make, but I lack Ernest's gravitas...  :D

I'll second Antony Beevor's 'Battle for Spain' (originally 'The Spanish Civil War' but now revised) it is by far the best background book on the SCW and far more readable than anything else out there.

'Land and Freedom' (Ken Loach dir) is always worth getting hold of, it's kind of like a fictionalised 'Homage to Catalonia'. 'Libertarias' (Vicente Arandas dir.) is also worth watching, but is only available in Spanish. Again both films are somewhat biased towards a particular faction, but watchable all the same. Both can be found on You Tube iirc.

Granada TV did an excellent series on the SCW (which you can also watch six minutes at a time  ::) on you tube). I think this is the first part of the first episode...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F7aEG__LZ3g

In fact just search You Tube for 'Spanish Civil War' and you get a wealth of stuff...  :)
Title: Re: Spanish Civil War for Beginners
Post by: Arlequín on October 17, 2010, 03:03:58 PM
If you've got any SCW resources, links or anything else helpful, for anyone who might be starting out in the period, or even for grizzled veterans who think they've seen it all... please feel free to post them here.

Specific SCW queries and anything else, can be dealt with by posting a normal topic on the board.

Vehiculos Blindados de la Guerra Civil (http://vehiculosblindadosdelaguerracivil.blogspot.com/) - an excellent blog (Spanish) with loads of vehicle photos. Very comphrehensive.

Steelwork Models (http://www.steelwork-models.de/) A German site devoted to SCW modelling.

Stephen Thomas's Balagan Site (http://balagan.org.uk/war/spanish-civil-war/index.htm) - Some helpful information on aspects of the war. I can't recommend his organisational details as being correct (imo), with the exception of the ones he gives for the 'Foreign Legion', which is actually mostly correct for all 'regular' units at the start of the war.

Aircraft of the Civil War (http://www.zi.ku.dk/personal/drnash/model/spain/index.html) is great for aircraft aficionados and is quite comphrehensive. The only drawback is that you will need to check the in-service dates for some types.

If your Spanish is up to it (or you have a translation option via Google etc), there's two good forums at Guerra Civil (http://guerracivil.forumup.es/index.php?mforum=guerracivil) and El Gran Capitán (http://www.elgrancapitan.org/foro/viewforum.php?f=7&sid=164e142477f096da698b863a7739f4ac) that you can browse at your leisure.

If you will excuse the shameless self-promotion, the organisational table for San Lorenzo (http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_WG5alGp4ptY/TD31b19xOnI/AAAAAAAAA30/ciDDX7ik9nc/s1600/Regimiento+de+Infanteria+1936.jpg) is almost identical to the organisation for a Spanish Infantry Regiment at the start of the war and for Nationalist units during it, while that of Aragua (http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_WG5alGp4ptY/TDy4RfgukBI/AAAAAAAAAyc/Ckhqd1xB7mE/s1600/Brigada+Mixta.jpg) is almost the same as that of a Brigada Mixta of the Republic's EPR when it was formed in late 1936. My own blog (http://wwwcostacaribe.blogspot.com/) is heavily orientated towards the SCW (although currently being re-organised), but has a few anachronistic elements thrown in, so don't take it all as gospel. I keep threatening to sit down and do proper organisational details for the SCW, but don't hold your breath for that.    

Finally you can often find some information on the Colonial Board (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?board=2.0) here on LAF for Italian units in Abyssinia that will mostly hold true for the CTV in Spain in many cases.

 
Title: Re: Spanish Civil War for Beginners
Post by: WillieB on October 18, 2010, 11:56:21 PM
Just a few more helpful sites

http://www.sbhac.net/Republica/Fuerzas/Armas/Infanteria/Ametralla/Ametralla.htm (http://www.sbhac.net/Republica/Fuerzas/Armas/Infanteria/Ametralla/Ametralla.htm)
Good site (in Spanish) on weapons used during the SCW. Also posters and some bios on famous Republicans.

http://www.uniformes.s5.com/ (http://www.uniformes.s5.com/) Spanish uniforms.  Site doesn't always load properly but some really nice 'postcards' worth a look.

http://www.requetes.com/banderas.html (http://www.requetes.com/banderas.html) Flags of the Requete militias ( In Spanish)

http://pares.mcu.es/ArchivoRojo/inicio.do (http://pares.mcu.es/ArchivoRojo/inicio.do) Literally thousands of SCW pictures but somewhat difficult to navigate. Well worth it though because there are some real gems here.

http://www.requetes.com/ (http://www.requetes.com/) Another very good site on Requetes (in Spanish)

http://militarescw.blogspot.com/2008/12/summary-of-major-campaigns-and.html (http://militarescw.blogspot.com/2008/12/summary-of-major-campaigns-and.html) Somewhat basic site on the SCW- and other wars- but a good overview on campaigns etc.

http://www.belliludi.com/historia_aproximacion.html (http://www.belliludi.com/historia_aproximacion.html) Fantastic site on the Basque armies and campaigns. In Spanish.

http://www.wargames.cat/Dwnload/Vex/ (http://www.wargames.cat/Dwnload/Vex/) Down-loadable flags for you miniatures: Highly recommended!

http://www.modelbrouwers.nl/phpBB3/viewforum.php?f=136 (http://www.modelbrouwers.nl/phpBB3/viewforum.php?f=136) Forum on modelling SCW planes. In DUTCH! Like Flemish so if you need anything translated just let me know. Beautiful models here.

Title: Re: Spanish Civil War for Beginners
Post by: eastern barbarian on October 25, 2010, 01:42:40 PM
JIm, you can get "Libertarias" with English subtitles, I think subtitles can be downloaded separately. I definitely have seen the film with subtitles.
There is also another one now, called "Wife of an Anarchist", very interesting story (its not only about SCW but after what was happening later as well).
Title: Re: Spanish Civil War for Beginners
Post by: Arlequín on October 25, 2010, 02:22:10 PM
Sorry, I didn't make myself very clear there, I meant that it was Spanish language and yes, available with English subtitles, I should've said that!  :)

I will certainly look out for Wife of an Anarchist too, thanks for mentioning it.

If yourself, or anyone knows of any links to these, or indeed anything you might feel is useful in relation to the SCW, post it on the SCW sticky please.  :)
Title: Re: Spanish Civil War for Beginners
Post by: Phil Robinson on October 25, 2010, 06:45:44 PM
 Frederic Rossif's "To Die in Madrid" is another good one, never been able to find clips on UTube and not available on DVD it seems, although it does turn up on British TV from time to time.
Title: Re: Spanish Civil War for Beginners
Post by: Arlequín on October 25, 2010, 07:13:34 PM
Frederic Rossif's "To Die in Madrid" is another good one, never been able to find clips on UTube and not available on DVD it seems, although it does turn up on British TV from time to time.

I can offer a link for it in French with Spanish subtitles...  :?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=1759499741565514664#
Title: Re: Spanish Civil War for Beginners
Post by: Arlequín on October 26, 2010, 10:21:50 AM
All historical sources are biased, even if it's just from the viewpoint of the reader. I wouldn't denigrate a source just because it didn't fit into my view of things, but only where it was just plain inaccurate.

The most obvious example I can think of is the Osprey book on the SCW, which says something along the lines of 'The Spanish Army was organised using the common triangular structure'. In 1936 hardly anyone (if anyone) was using a triangular structure for its forces, nor had they before this. Okay there were some elements which used three as a base, but not in the three sections, three platoons, three companies and three battalions that 'triangular' implies.

We are dealing with a topic that has attached ideologies, many of which are still current in Spain's political make-up. Many of the factions and parties still exist and the SCW is still a volatile issue in Spain itself. I would hope we can avoid politicising the topic into 'right and wrong' camps. By all means comment that a particular book presents a particular viewpoint, but refrain from commenting on that viewpoint itself.

I know what I mean anyway...  ;)
Title: Re: Spanish Civil War for Beginners
Post by: WillieB on October 26, 2010, 08:08:55 PM
We shouldn't forget the Nafziger files.

Simply download or open  the Finding Aid pdf.

Pages 236-240.

http://www.cgsc.edu/carl/nafziger.htm (http://www.cgsc.edu/carl/nafziger.htm)


Good site on the Spanish Civil War navies
http://www.kbismarck.com/mgl/spanishcivwar.htm (http://www.kbismarck.com/mgl/spanishcivwar.htm)


Title: Re: Spanish Civil War for Beginners
Post by: eastern barbarian on October 27, 2010, 12:01:12 PM

Daniel Gray "Homage to Caledonia" about Scottish volunteers on boths sides of the conflict and campaign in support of both sides as well in Scotland. Very good, well researched and interesting read.

"Real band of brothers" by Max Arthur about British volunteers on Republican side- very dissapointing to be honest apart from story of "English Penny" nurse (I have that book for sale if somebody is interested.


"Iron Column" pamphlet by Kate Sharpley Library about one of anarchist columns


"Durutti in the Spanish Revolution" by Abel Paz- excellent book, sort of biography of B.Durutti, one of most important anarchist figures of SCW. Great read, although quite heavy brick.



Title: Re: Spanish Civil War for Beginners
Post by: Ray Rivers on October 27, 2010, 12:23:27 PM
Don't forget our own Triumph and Tragedy board... has lots of interesting stuff.

Especially Driscoles Gallery:

http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?action=gallery;su=user;cat=110;u=5;start=0

Some lovely stuff there!
Title: Re: Spanish Civil War for Beginners
Post by: Durutti on October 27, 2010, 05:00:50 PM
http://www.empressminiatures.com/

Possibly the best 28mm range of figures out there for the SCW (yes I am Biased :D)

http://www.forceofarms.co.uk/

figures and vehicles in 28mm for the SCW. and they fit in nicely with the Empress figures
Title: Re: Spanish Civil War for Beginners
Post by: eastern barbarian on October 28, 2010, 05:38:47 PM
J.Peirats "Anarchists in the spanish Revolution"
Title: Re: Spanish Civil War for Beginners
Post by: eastern barbarian on November 07, 2010, 06:22:56 PM
Very very intersting pamphlet with lots of unknown articles, intervies and diaries mostly concentrating on UK volunteers in SCW. its called "70th Anniversary of Spanish Civil War the Aftermatch 1939-2009

Its published byTameside Trade Union Council, costs 4.60 pounds post included, , write to northernvoices@hotmail.com
Title: SCW Uniform help please - Fuerzas Regulares Indígenas (Moroccans)
Post by: RJ on November 28, 2010, 10:06:03 PM
Hi all,

Working through a small 15mm Peter Pig SCW project and i have some Moroccans and i have no idea how to paint them.

The Peter Pig sculpts seem to have a uniform appearance rather than the native dress ive seen in most pictures of the period.

My knowledge of the period is only at an early stage so any help will be really useful.

Ive been using this web page as a resource for uniforms:

http://forum.axishistory.com/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=18700&sid=cc76781b084dcc8b37c61dc9d44e37b3

Thankyou!
Title: Re: SCW Uniform help please - Fuerzas Regulares Indígenas (Moroccans)
Post by: Durutti on November 28, 2010, 10:26:07 PM
Are they wearing the long coat, or in shirt sleeves?
long coat could be greenish khaki, or striped in shades of brown
trousers are yellowish sand-described as lentil-coloured.
shirts would be a very pale sand colour
turbans are white, or if in tarbusch this would be red.
puttess could be blue, khaki or yellowish sand
footwear would be white
leather equipment is brown
they also have a sash round thier middle coloured depending on their Grupo

hope this helps
Title: Re: SCW Uniform help please - Fuerzas Regulares Indígenas (Moroccans)
Post by: WillieB on November 28, 2010, 10:33:45 PM
Third and last possibility would be that they are wearing the short jacket which would be greenish khaki.
Title: Re: SCW Uniform help please - Fuerzas Regulares Indígenas (Moroccans)
Post by: RJ on November 28, 2010, 10:49:35 PM
Great info guys thanks.

The riflemen i have are wearing:

Shirts, rolled up sleeves.
Trousers
Puttees
Turbans

Cant really tell if there is a sash around the waist.

So i should be looking at sand coloured shirt and trousers with khaki puttees and white turbans?

Title: Re: SCW Uniform help please - Fuerzas Regulares Indígenas (Moroccans)
Post by: Plynkes on November 28, 2010, 11:03:25 PM
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/Plynkes/Ebro.jpg)
I'm given to understand these are Ifni sharpshooters. Not sure if that is what you have, but the uniform looks like what Durutti was describing, so it might help.
Title: Re: SCW Uniform help please - Fuerzas Regulares Indígenas (Moroccans)
Post by: Arlequín on November 29, 2010, 06:40:09 AM
I'll go along with everything else that has been posted so far and Plynkes' illustration should see you right, even down to the European officer that has been almost chopped off.
Title: Re: SCW Uniform help please - Fuerzas Regulares Indígenas (Moroccans)
Post by: RJ on November 29, 2010, 07:16:55 AM
Amazing pic plynkes! Exactly what the mini looks like.

Thank you all for your help, i may be back with more questions...  ::)
Title: Re: Spanish Civil War Queries Tips & Resources
Post by: hoplite on February 14, 2011, 05:28:27 PM
The Yahoo Group SCW20 is a Great place for a resource on the Spanish Civil War.
Title: Re: Spanish Civil War Queries Tips & Resources
Post by: H.M.Stanley on April 27, 2011, 08:11:36 AM
What a great thread!
Title: Re: Spanish Civil War Queries Tips & Resources
Post by: WillieB on April 27, 2011, 11:38:13 AM
There's hardly any difference between the Moroccan Regulars (Regulares de Marruecos) and the Ifni Sharpshooters (Tiradores de Ifni) except for the color of the distinctives which were red and later (1937?) light blue.
Title: Re: Spanish Civil War Queries Tips & Resources
Post by: Arlequín on November 22, 2011, 06:59:55 AM
The Spanish newspaper ABC has put its issues from 1903 to date online here (http://hemeroteca.abc.es/). Although regarded as a 'right-wing' daily, the Madrid office was taken over by the Republic (Seville by the Nationalists, so there were two opposing issues a day). It's obviously in Spanish, but there are some great pictures and there is a search function to the lower right hand side.
Title: Re: Spanish Civil War Queries Tips & Resources
Post by: Arlequín on April 01, 2012, 03:17:44 PM
I don't know if it will be any use to anyone, but I've added some SCW notes to my blog. They're packed full of detail and info (perhaps too much), that I've gathered over the years. It is as correct as my research has allowed me to be, but any input is of course welcome.

There's also a three part background history overview on the causes of the conflict, which may also be of interest and which starts here (http://arlequinsworld.blogspot.co.uk/2012/03/brief-history-of-spain-1492-1933.html).

It doesn't go into the war itself at present, other than the first few days. I'm pacing myself.  :D

Edit: Due to difficulties with page allowances etc, all the SCW stuff on the Blog has now been converted to posts, all accessible from the index bar on the right.
Title: Re: Spanish Civil War Queries Tips & Resources
Post by: Florida Tory on April 01, 2012, 04:01:22 PM
Thanks for posting that. It is of great interest as is your previous three-part background history. It was one of the posts I found linked through LAF that convinced me of the value of signing on.

Rick
Title: Re: Spanish Civil War Queries Tips & Resources
Post by: Paul @ Empress Miniatures on April 01, 2012, 05:22:03 PM
Excellent and bookmarked  ;)
Title: Re: Spanish Civil War Queries Tips & Resources
Post by: WillieB on April 01, 2012, 07:13:17 PM
Indeed an excellent blog Arlequin! Thanks very much!
Title: Re: Spanish Civil War Queries Tips & Resources
Post by: Arlequín on April 20, 2012, 03:22:11 PM
Thanks folks... and I've fixed the links I scuppered by changing the domain name... doh!  ::)
Title: Re: Spanish Civil War Queries Tips & Resources
Post by: Hummster on July 21, 2012, 01:35:52 PM
I don't know if it will be any use to anyone, but I've added a SCW Page (http://arlequinsworld.blogspot.co.uk/p/scw.html) to my blog. It's packed full of detail and info (perhaps too much), that I've gathered over the years. It is as correct as my research has allowed me to be, but any input is of course welcome.

There's also a three part background history overview on the causes of the conflict, which may also be of interest and which starts here (http://arlequinsworld.blogspot.co.uk/2012/03/brief-history-of-spain-1492-1933.html).

It doesn't go into the war itself at present, other than the first few days. I'm pacing myself.  :D


Really useful, particularly with the organisations. Thanks for that.
Title: Re: Spanish Civil War Queries Tips & Resources
Post by: KingKobra on November 07, 2013, 09:37:10 AM
Hi there,

I recently joined this forum when I started reading (and eventually playing) "Chain of Command", using it for the SCW. On the TooFatLardies-Yahoo-Group, there are two lists, both for militia and the Army of Africa. I can't seem to find lists for other troops, though. Does anyone know of any such lists (especially the italian CTV)?

Thanks,
Frank
Title: Re: Spanish Civil War Queries Tips & Resources
Post by: Arlequín on November 07, 2013, 09:58:05 AM
Hi Frank,

Bearing in mind that CoC hasn't been out long, the SCW lists are still being worked on by the guy who did the two lists you refer to.. if they are the ones I'm thinking about anyway. As you will appreciate, getting them right involves a fair degree of research and if they are to be 'unique' rather than just borrow 'special bits' from the WW2 Army lists, those elements need play testing too.

I can assure you though that they are being worked on as we speak.  :)

There will be lists for the main protagonists for 1936 immediately and not just generic 'Republican' and 'Nationalists' ones... which means that the EPR and the CTV are a little down the line... the CTV being the hardest, as the Italians re-organised between the CTV's deployment to Spain and WW2, so most of the info will need tracking down, rather than being cribbed from the WW2 organisations that can be found elsewhere... even if they themselves are conflicting!  

Obviously if anyone does have links to anywhere dealing with the CTV (in English, Spanish or Italian), which might help in this, please put them up here.

Welcome to the forum btw!  :)
Title: Re: Spanish Civil War Queries Tips & Resources
Post by: KingKobra on November 07, 2013, 11:37:01 AM
Thanks!

I did not want to rush things, I just figured out I couldn't do it on my own. Maybe I should get the appropriate supplements for T&T or DH and tweek them a bit.

For the CTV, they might share some organisational form with the troops in Abyssinia. No support lists or national characteristics, though.
Title: Re: Spanish Civil War Queries Tips & Resources
Post by: Arlequín on November 07, 2013, 12:53:59 PM
For the CTV, they might share some organisational form with the troops in Abyssinia. No support lists or national characteristics, though.

The organisations should actually be the same, or at least very similar, to the regular units sent to Abyssinia.

I did not want to rush things, I just figured out I couldn't do it on my own. Maybe I should get the appropriate supplements for T&T or DH and tweek them a bit.

No! Rush away! The biggest incentive for anyone working on a project, is knowing that there are people interested and wanting it.

:)

One of the biggest problems with existing SCW organisations across various rule sets and indeed some books on the subject, is that they bear little relation to the 'real' organisations... or even the official TO&Es, and are often 'best guesses' based on faulty research. I'm not pointing the finger at T&T or DH here btw, but just making a general point.

Unfortunately checking and cross-checking, passing them round people to get their opinions, feedback and other input, takes time. In any of the CoC WW2 'Army Lists' turned out to date, the two or three pages they consist of represent a lot of work by whoever has done them... the SCW ones even more so, due to the relative scarcity of material, even in Spanish.

I can assure you though, that the CTV are fairly high on the 'to-do' list. There may even be people already out there working on them for all I know.  ;)
Title: Re: Spanish Civil War Queries Tips & Resources
Post by: BillK on December 03, 2013, 12:19:17 AM
Does anyone have suggestions for where I can find good images, or can you share images, of Moroccan Mehalla suitable for SCW and/or early WWII?

Thank in advance.
BillK
Title: Re: Spanish Civil War Queries Tips & Resources
Post by: former user on January 25, 2014, 11:06:45 AM
I would also like to ask:

several of the linked sources mention khaki berets, not only with the requetes but also militias/army - is this a mistake and therefore pure choice that wargamers prefer the red berets for the Carlists?

and even more special: in a few of international brigade packs from Empress a kind oh kepi is worn - is this meant to represent the old Ros cap? or what else?
and finally - is there a link where one can see the 28mm miniatures from force of arms that someone has hopefully bought and will re-release?
Title: Re: Spanish Civil War Queries Tips & Resources
Post by: Arlequín on January 26, 2014, 09:24:15 PM
The 'Kepi' is actually a balaclava-type woollen hood with a peak - the Pasamontaña. it looks like a Kepi because the sides fold up over the peak.

(http://www.lacolumna.org.uk/lacolumna_files/buyers%20guide%20files/uniformes%20militares/5.jpg)

Berets came in all colours, black and dark blue being perhaps the most common, but the 'uniform' one of the Carlists was red, as was the case after the Requetés and Falange were amalgamated to form the FETy de las JONS. Red is the colour most commonly used in propaganda art, but obviously it is difficult to determine from photos how common they were in reality.

Title: Re: Spanish Civil War Queries Tips & Resources
Post by: former user on January 26, 2014, 09:35:01 PM
mil gracias
Title: Re: Spanish Civil War Queries Tips & Resources
Post by: clyde85 on November 04, 2014, 01:32:52 AM
Is there a website or a thread in the forum that has the rules for fielding a force from the SCW using Bolt Action rules and scale?
Title: Re: Spanish Civil War Queries Tips & Resources
Post by: Arlequín on November 04, 2014, 06:36:43 AM
I had some lists up for the early part of 1936, but I'm currently re-writing them... I say currently, but they are way down a long list of other stuff I'm working on.

One of the guys on the Warlord Forum did some - http://www.warlordgames.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=49&t=15451 (or with a slightly better discussion here - http://forum.wwpd.net/viewtopic.php?f=21&t=12909).
Somebody else did some here - http://troubleatthemill.blogspot.com.es/2014/05/bolt-action-spanish-civil-war-lists.html

I don't vouch for accuracy nor anything else, but if you want a 'pick up and play' set of SCW lists for Bolt Action, they will do the trick I'm sure.

:)
Title: Re: Spanish Civil War Queries Tips & Resources
Post by: Londoncopper on March 31, 2015, 07:04:36 PM
I have seen a poster of a Republican militia woman in a dark blue gorillo with white piping and tassel, anyone have any idea if this was an actual item or just artistic license?
Title: Re: Spanish Civil War Queries Tips & Resources
Post by: Arlequín on March 31, 2015, 07:33:51 PM
The Assault Guards's gorillo was dark blue with white piping and tassle, so possibly yes it is genuine.
Title: Re: Spanish Civil War Queries Tips & Resources
Post by: Londoncopper on March 31, 2015, 08:09:35 PM
Many thanks.
Title: Re: Spanish Civil War Queries Tips & Resources
Post by: Moriarty on March 06, 2021, 01:52:00 PM
Very useful thread, thanks! My next  ‘project’ is SCW using ‘Que!’ from Irregular Miniatures. Already have the ‘hardware’ in the form of 1/72 Airfix (et al) infantry, artillery, cavalry, bicycles, tanks and aircraft (1/144). Obviously not 100% accurate, but ‘near enough’ for game purposes :-)

Anyone have suggestions for terrain pieces? I have a map of a generic table-top set up, courtesy of Steven’s Balagan site, and was going with Mediterranean feel pieces. Happy to adjust my sights if I can be pointed in the right direction. For instance, are there  any suppliers of terrain specifically for Spain?
Title: Re: Spanish Civil War Queries Tips & Resources
Post by: H.M.Stanley on March 06, 2021, 02:14:16 PM
From my last game and inspired by the OP