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Miniatures Adventure => Future Wars => Topic started by: Remington on May 02, 2010, 05:58:52 PM
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Some weeks ago I saw the new troops painted by Lt. Hazel ( here (http://theleutnantsdiary.blogspot.com/2010/04/heavy-support.html)) for his fictional 2nd RCW. It didn't take me long to be intrigued by the concept and the small size of the forces required (I am slooooow, you know) to order some Assault Troops at Copplestone Castings. These guys are going to become my Neo-Tsarist/ Russian Orthodox/ Byzantine Empire Reestablishers. After a few tries, I decided to paint them in an Urban Camo pattern. That also took a few tries till I was satisfied. I am still pondering markings for these fellas. A friend suggested painting an Orthodox cross on the back of the helmet of the officer, in similar manner to the markings of WWII US helmets. I actually quite like the idea. The mech that fill follow these troops around will definitely carry more markings and maybe some slogans creating a bit more of a context.
Anyway... here he is:
(http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa49/Histamenos/2ndRCWa.jpg)
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He looks great! I really like the camo scheme.
The Orthadox cross thing sounds like a good idea too.
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Nicely done. The vivid green and red on the helmet and goggles make a nice contrast with the drab camo.
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Nicely done. The vivid green and red on the helmet and goggles make a nice contrast with the drab camo.
Like Steve F said, the vivid red and green set the figure nicely in a slightly more fantastic, sci-fi setting.
The cross on the back of the helmet sounds like a great idea: another thing that will immediately place the figure in another context, rather than just another camouflaged trooper.
Beautiful painting by the way :)
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Really nicely painted. The orthodox cross sounds a good idea, and urban camo looks right on the model, which is nicely offset with the red and green as already said.
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very neat :-*
so only officers are to get a cross?
why not all of them and on the side of the helmet?
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Thank you for the kind comments. I was hopping the glasses and red dot would create a pleasant contrast as I've used a very limited palette with most of the miniature. Slate Grey by Foundry was my best friend. :)
former user... because I am not sure how it will look. I simply chickened out. :D Should it work well, I might redo the rest. For now the camo was my main issue.
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I think former user might be onto something. Paint on a little red shield, with golden rim and a golden cross, to the side of the helmet.
Or indeed a simple, clean white cross to the front. "In hoc signo vincas", or just death-defying religious fanatism.
EDIT: Whipped up a mock-up of what I was thinking:
(http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/Christian_S_1979/Artworks%20etc/churchshield.png)
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I think that a white cross on the side of the all the helmets would look good. Like Cheetor said it would give them more context too.
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I gave it a try... sigh... What do you think?
(http://i196.photobucket.com/albums/aa49/Histamenos/RCW2b.jpg)
I am not sure about this. It looks to thin... A shield would turn out too large I fear... Not sure it would look good.
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remington very cleanly done I like him very much between you and Lt hazel I feel a future Russian force in 28 mm coming on .Thanks for sharing.
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Perfect.
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Yeah I'd say you've nailed it, with the cross.
Duncan
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Oh, I wish you could hear my sigh of relief. :) Was a bit uncertain about it. Thanks guys.
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it looks good and emblematic
have You considered printing out paper shields/emblems in the correct size and glueing them on?
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No, but I did find some transfer paper for the laser printer. I was thinking that these crosses could be hand painted, while the officers also has a double headed eagle on the back of his helmet... And I would never freehand that in the required size.
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I think the painted miniature looks fantastic - the urban camouflage is very well painted. I also like the idea of the orthodox cross on the side of the helmet.
Tony
http://dampfpanzerwagon.blogspot.com/
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Superb. That white cross is just right, so forget what I said and keep it like that. :)
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Very nice.
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Thank you for the kind words. :) I hope the decal paper I found is good enough and my idea for the officer works out.
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Really nice. I really like that camo scheme 8)
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I would like to hear more abou this back ground you are cooking up.
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Well, I am just a participant. Lt. Hazel would be the right person to ask. Maybe he'll share some more of his thoughts... otherwise, check his blog: http://theleutnantsdiary.blogspot.com/
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Nice job Remington! :-* Can't wait to see a whole unit of these! :D
Darkoath
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Very nice work.
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Pretty kool! I like the new cross on the helment and am looking forward to seeing what you and LT. Hazel come up with.
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Double headed eagle decals should be easy to find from 40k players. I love the idea and your execution of the ideas. I have a ton of those Copplestone troopers just gathering dust.
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oh run this idea by Hazel some of those assault troopers done up as Neo-sovs.
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I'll let him know... in case he won't read this.
Now... a small task for anyone reading this... Can you help me find out if I could build in this miniature to the concept of my group?
(http://www.hasslefreeminiatures.co.uk/catalog/a015%20dionne.jpg)
A woman in an orthodox troop? And dressed that way? Is it possible?
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Princess Anastasia's great-great-great-grandniece's room buddy from the convent school?
I think the mini is fine, although maybe you could add some fur lining. In one of the "Gipsy" Scifi comics, the white Neo-Tsarist guerillas are led by a mysterious woman (albeit with a shaved head and scar over her eye), so why not.
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Hmmm... interesting. Never heard of the "Gipsy" comics. Must... google... now!
Well, I was looking for a figure with a covered head, something like orthodox nuns wear, but I couldn't find anything. On the other hand... a bald head could be achieved by using one of hasslefree's heads they have for sale.
Fur lining is a good idea. And then there is also this version of the miniature:
(http://www.hasslefreeminiatures.co.uk/catalog/dionne%20(b).jpg)
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Fur on the sleeve trims, fur on the boot trims. One of the easiest conversions there is. Giving her a hood with fur trim would go a long way, but may take some little more work to get right. Covering up the ass tight area a bit might make it look at lot less frisky, but besides general equipment pouches I can’t think of something to put over her cheeks.
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Foundry has a "battle nun" in their near future collection. I can't think of the name, but you can get it if you call and ask, usually.
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A word of caution (or two, actually ;) ): This particular miniature is quite tiny, the more if compared to the bulky Copplestones. I've painted her up myself, and you can judge her size by the standard GW base she stands on: LINK (http://lead-mountain.blogspot.com/2008/10/huntress-in-dark.html).
Secondly, as you might remember, there's already another Neo-Tsarist (if more partisan-like) force in the making for Hazel's project. Two rival tsarinas would be odd, me thinks... ::)
Anyway, it's possible to use the mentioned "battle nuns". IIRC there are also some available from Westwind. You could quite easily alter their headdress by modelling a typical yet simple 'crown'.
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Nice to hear you are also on it Mad Doc. :) Well, I wasn't really going for a Tsarina. I doubt a potential Ruler would be on the battlefield bearing arms herself. Although two Tsarina pretenders would also be interesting. How many people actually claim to be offspring of the Romanovs? :)
The battle nuns you and Digitarii mention have the problem of being visibly non orthodox... To an orthodox person like myself at least.
As for the size difference... I've taken one of your pictures of that miniature and a Copplestone on a GW base found on the Internet and scaled them in photoshop till their bases were the same size. She looked more slender and a bit smaller, but all in all it wasn't that bad. You think it would be uncomfortably smaller?
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both versions are fine, they are very neutral
Tiny? maybe, but who says all humans are the same size and besides, women can be even smaller and petite
so, why don't You simply give her a fur hat?
this should be an easy conversion
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My partisans are in need of every man and woman that can and is willing to take up arms for their cause. Some inspirational leadership isn't unwelcome either. ;)
For sure, former user has a point in that not all people are of the same size. But miniatures have their own rules, and I think the more realistically proportioned Hasslefree stuff might look a bit out of place next to the quite differently styled Copplestone castings. Maybe I can take a picture of comparison in due course. Certainly a matter of taste after all.
Apart from that, if you are after this 'dark huntress' look, there's also one available from Copplestone in his "Collection".
Regarding the nuns, I've imagined them like that:
(http://www.kurskroot.com/nuns-sm.jpg)
Seems to me like only some minor alterations on their Western counterparts are needed. ???
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Am loving that trooper.
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Thanks, Argonor.
I don't know about the nuns really. Somehow it doesn't seem right to go to the front in a big piece of cloth. At least now I got food for thought. Maybe the miniature in the coat, some fur added, could be a nun properly equipped for war. Or maybe I scrap the idea altogether.
Thanks guys.
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Regarding "dressed to fight": Just think of the Medieval Hospitallers - they went into battle in their monastic habit, at least at their very beginning. It was kind of chastening themselves and trying to become martyrs of faith. Quite a few succeeded. ::)
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It all depends on your perspective, really - do you want a realistic futuristic approach, then the fighting branch of the church would of course be dressed/equipped in the most befitting manner, just like other ground forces.
Do you want a 'pulpy/adventure/comic book' futuristic setting, then warrior nuns (and/or monks) in full attire would be quite the thing.
I think your trooper points towards the former, but I could be wrong?
Brigade Games has some 'French nuns' with weapons in their pulp section that I plan to use as 'civilians' for Strange Aeons - but they are more the Cathoholic sort (typo intended - no spite on catholics intended).
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I think you've hit the spot. The former is definitely the case. I don't mind a priest nearby - the TAG orthodox priest is definitely on my list - but not in attire and a fighting capacity at the same time. A more partisan-like, paramilitary movement would look great with a fighting priest or nun, but these are actual military units recruited and paid by the Patriarchy of the (fictitious) Patriarch Seraphim II (maybe Lt. Hazel will allow me to keep the name :D ). They might even be parts of the military before the civil war that flipped to the church's side. Hmmm... maybe I need some kind of a military style officer. On the other hand... a female tough nut special agent wouldn't be too wrong for the mission.
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If you're looking for a female character figure you could always try her:
http://www.artizandesigns.com/prod.php?prod=1207
You'd probably need to change her weapon, but she looks quite suitably dressed for Russia I think.
There's also these two as well:
http://www.artizandesigns.com/prod.php?prod=1235
http://www.artizandesigns.com/prod.php?prod=1234
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On the other hand... a female tough nut special agent wouldn't be too wrong for the mission.
Pun intended...? :D
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Not really, but it's a good one. :D
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Infinty has a model called the Reverend Moira in the Nomads line that might work with some judicious putty work to adjust the cloak (No nun should be wearing a thong without a full habit...)
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Well, as long as you paint them to that outstanding standard, I really just want to see more - whichever models you choose :)