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Miniatures Adventure => Old West => Topic started by: Loukianos on July 03, 2007, 07:53:55 PM
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Hello all,
Reading through the old posts on the OW forum here I see that mention is made of the older Foundry Old West miniatures which are smaller in stature and the newer which are larger(which i took to mean that they can work alongside with Artizan?).
The main pages with Old west minis on the Foundry website are:
http://www.wargamesfoundry.com/collections/OW/5/index.asp
http://www.wargamesfoundry.com/collections/OW/4A/index.asp
http://www.wargamesfoundry.com/collections/OW/9/index.asp
I realise that this must be something of a hassle but is there any chance someone might enlighten me as to which are which. Thank you for your time.
ps. are the civilians in this collection of the earlier smaller stature?:
http://www.wargamesfoundry.com/collections/OW/11/index.asp
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Here goes :)
New Artizan compatible
http://www.wargamesfoundry.com/collections/OW/5/index.asp
Single Packs Artizan Compatible
http://www.wargamesfoundry.com/collections/OW/4A/index.asp
Old smaller ones (perry I think
http://www.wargamesfoundry.com/collections/OW/9/index.asp
I realise that this must be something of a hassle but is there any chance someone might enlighten me as to which are which. Thank you for your time.
ps. are the civilians in this collection of the earlier smaller stature?:
These are all smaller and by Perrys too
http://www.wargamesfoundry.com/collections/OW/11/index.asp[/quote]
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The older Old West figures are by Mark Copplestone, not the Perry twins. They are a shade smaller than his recent 'solo' work, and than the later Foundry range, which matches Artizan exactly (being the work of the same sculptor, Mike Owen)
Unless you believe that all people are precisely the same height, there's no reason not to mix them. H
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Lowtardog,
you're a star mate; thank you very much! (http://smiley.onegreatguy.net/thumbup.gif)
Howard,
thank you for your input :) . I will indeed probably mix the civilians in with the later larger figs but generally speaking whether people are the same size or not is in my humble opinion irrelevant when it comes to mixing minis. It's the size of the equipment that differs when miniatures are sculpted in slightly different scales.
Excellent news about the later figs matching Artizan exactly. thank you very much for the info.
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The old range was done by Mark Coppelstone. They are 28mm feet to head and such half a head smaller than the newer ranges. The Cowboys collections are OW9 and OW11. There's also the US Cavalery range, the Mexicans, the Plains Indians and the Apache ranges which are done my Mr Copplestone and these fit together very well.
This is still and awesome range with lots of choice and a very classic style.
The newer range was sculpted by Mike Owen and they are 28mm feet to eye. (i.e. OW1, 2, 3, 4, 5A, 5, 7, 8 ) Naturally they are very simillar to the Artizan ranges (apart from the horses which are very slightly smaller than Artizan). The Artizan sculpts are a bit sharper in detail than the Foundry sculpts. The newer range has most models in food and mounted version so if you have a mixed blister you can be sure it's the newer range.
I know of some people who mix the older and the newer Foundry ranges and can life with the difference in size. It comes down to a matter of taste and how picky you are.
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Hi
Here is a size comparison of an Artizan and a Foundry Copplestone (hit the link and scroll right down to the bottom of the page):
http://www.napnuts.com/gallery_lawmen.htm
There is also a link with pics showing some games where both types of figs are mixed and used. No problem at all:
http://www.napnuts.com/gallery_lotowgames.htm
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I have minis from both ranges and I wouldn't mix them. It's the weapons. The older range (with very cool poses) has rather small weapons.
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Unless you believe that all people are precisely the same height, there's no reason not to mix them. H
the VERY reason i like to mix manufacturers in skirmish games. i think it adds a verisimilitude to the tabletop. also allows for same "type" of figure {gunslinger, gambler, cowboys, etc} without gobs of the same posed figure {"Billy, stop doing what i do and fight!"}
vehicles {cars, wagons, cabs, coaches, etc} on the other hand: small differences there look like major differences to my eye! drives me crazy when i try to shop for "just the right one"!!
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Gosh, this is really interesting.
I take your word for it, chaps - but I am surprised to learn that the original Foundry OW figures are Mark Copplestone sculpts.
I have large numbers of Copplestone figures from various phases of his work, from ex-Grenadier Wars of The Roses, what are now the EM4 Future Wars figs, through his Foundry Ancient Germans, Darkest Africa and El Dorado Adventurers, to nearly all his Copplestone Castings Future Wars range, plus various other more recent bits and pieces (most recently the cave people - I held out as long as I could!!).
I see a very clear and consistent Copplestone style running through all these figures - fairly slim for the most part, slightly 'cartoony', yet somehow elegant and usually dynamic in pose.
The old Foundry OW models just don't seem to fit this style at all - they look too stocky and staid. (Although now I look, I guess I can make out a slight resemblance between some of the Old West civilians and some of the more civilian characters from the Darkest Africa ranges.)
But I'd never have guessed.
Weird.
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Did Mike Owen sculpt most of the Mountain Men range?
-B6
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Hi All,
Sorry, appreciate I'm resurrecting a very old topic here.
Now that Foundry haeve reorganised their collections and have done away with the 'collection' groupings in the Old West category has anyone got an easy trick to distinguish between 'new' and 'old'?
I think I can judge some of the old ranges from the pics and a few Perry tells, but if anyone knew a handy reference that'd be grand - there seem to be a load of topics on this, but nothing quite definitive. I guess I'm asking who sculpted what - less subjective - than 'what goes together?' which is a bit more subjective.
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To my knowledge everything from OW01x to OW08x are the larger ones and very compatible with Artizan 28mm, others are the older ones more 25mm
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For me people come in all shapes & sizes so models been the same is not a problem :)
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For me people come in all shapes & sizes so models been the same is not a problem :)
Yeah, but Winchesters don't. ;)
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To my knowledge everything from OW01x to OW08x are the larger ones and very compatible with Artizan 28mm, others are the older ones more 25mm
Excellent - thanks for that, exactly what I needed... hadn't realised the mounted/dismounted packs were compatible, I'd assumed they were small. Excellent!
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The following are all the original Guernsey Foundry Old West figures by Mark Copplestone.
OWO10 Zombies
OWO91-98
OW111-118
OW161-168
EXCEPT: 0164 Capt Pablo & Capt Alonzo are Perry Franco-Prussian officers
0167 Cpt Zacaria & Col Serafin are from the larger Camerone range (OW11-178)
OWA001-004 Foot and mounted
P1001-003 Foot and Mounted
US001-005 Foot and mounted
Gisby (ex Guernsey Foundry & Foundry webmaster)
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Even with guns there are some differences in length, though not in size of mechanism etc...
(https://www.militaryfactory.com/smallarms/imgs/winchester-model-1873.jpg)