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Miniatures Adventure => Call of Cthulhu => Topic started by: blackstone on February 03, 2011, 03:36:58 PM
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Here's some pics of some painted up castings of a shoggoth model I've been working on this past week. It's a resin casting and should be released sometime this weekend.
(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii125/_koboldmage_/tengumodelsshoggy01.jpg)
I added some tentacles from my Son of Yog-Sothoth model on the second shoggy
(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii125/_koboldmage_/tengumodelsshoggy02.jpg)
and a scale pic with a zombie...
(http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii125/_koboldmage_/tengumodelsshoggyscale01.jpg)
Thanks for looking :)
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Ooh Nice :-* Thats a must have.
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Hands off I saw it first!
:D
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Superb work, it looks fabulous, a real fan of this model!
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much prefer the tentacled version, lovely model,
regards
jim
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Like the one with tentacles best.Love the paint job on them too.
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Great looking model :)
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Never posted in the Cthulhu catagory before (too afraid to loose any sanity points plus you guys are kind of scary :)) but had to when I saw this mini, its just fantastic!
Not to mention the painting, the green just glows! This is some great stuff
Cheers
Damien
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and this model is physically more correct than others in my opinion, I always considered a shoggoth to have a high interfacial tension and therefore more of a bubble shape (assuming that our physics apply to them in our world...)
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and this model is physically more correct than others in my opinion, I always considered a shoggoth to have a high interfacial tension and therefore more of a bubble shape (assuming that our physics apply to them in our world...)
Yeah I like the nobbly bobbly bits too! ;)
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Very nice.
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Great!!!! :o
I want it!!!!! ;D
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Fantastic creature!!! Great work!!
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A great idea, indeed. Makes me want to paint something with tentacles :)
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This is the most realistic shoggoth I've ever seen! Very good work with that.
My two (minor) complaints are that I'd have liked the orificies to be more mouth-like. Also, I think it should be bigger. I know that mini is big, yet a shoggoth as described by H.P.L. is massive:
It was a terrible, indescribable thing vaster than any subway train—a shapeless congeries of protoplasmic bubbles, faintly self-luminous, and with myriads of temporary eyes forming and un-forming as pustules of greenish light all over the tunnel-filling front that bore down upon us, crushing the frantic penguins and slithering over the glistening floor that it and its kind had swept so evilly free of all litter.
Although I understand the problems with very big minis, that have a high production cost that induces a high price tag, which puts sales at risk. :?
By the way, I too vote for a shoggoth+tentacles bundle.
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Iain, what's it going to retail at and will there be a tentacled version too?
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Damn fine work. :-* o_o
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Thanks for the comments.
My two (minor) complaints are that I'd have liked the orificies to be more mouth-like. Also, I think it should be bigger.
I thought about the mouths alot. I wanted to avoid putting teeth in the mouths since I felt it doesn't sit well with the plastic amorphous nature of the creature. Then I begun thinking that they wouldn't have much knowlege of a human style mouth to have evolved an imitation of one so I went for the sucker maw.
Yeah was thinking about making a much larger shoggoth as I sculpted this but like you say it would be pretty expensive to produce and just sculpting the 160+ eyes on this one blasted my sanity a little ;) I was thinking of this model as a "Shoggoth Slave" a smaller creature than the one from ATMOM. Something that hasn't gained the independence of it's larger kind and could be controlled by Deep Ones or Cultists etc.
Iain, what's it going to retail at and will there be a tentacled version too?
I could package it with the tentacles from the Yog Sothoth kit but then those tentacles are available separately anyway. Also people may want the non-tentacle version or want to use their on tentacles on the model. Still working this out :) It'll be around the same price as the Yog Sothoth kit probably a little less but that would be with the metal tentacles.
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Bloody marvellous. :o
Please release it ASAP so I can get one, paint it red and use it as a Soviet mutant monster roaming the prospects of Pripyat.
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Please release it ASAP so I can get one, paint it red and use it as a Soviet mutant monster roaming the prospects of Pripyat.
now that's a bloody good idea.
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now that's a bloody good idea.
Not mine, unfortunately, but if I pull it off adequately, I think I might be forgiven. :D
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Not mine, unfortunately, but if I pull it off adequately, I think I might be forgiven. :D
I'm sure you will pull it off on an appropriate level :)
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ill buy one.
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Fantastic! I'll be needing one of those asap!!! LPL is just around the corner and a 'Mountains Of Madness' entry can't be far away with this sort of thing slurping around! Great realization of the theme material. :P
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These are great models. I like the bubble look because I always imagined shoggoths moving in a rolling/flowing way, like a bean bag rolling, or a very soft blob of dough flowing downhill.
My two (minor) complaints are that I'd have liked the orificies to be more mouth-like. Also, I think it should be bigger. I know that mini is big, yet a shoggoth as described by H.P.L. is massive... Although I understand the problems with very big minis, that have a high production cost that induces a high price tag, which puts sales at risk. :?
:) Heh, you've got me thinking now. A large shoggoth would be expensive, but not prohibitively so, I'd guesstimate. I'd bet I could probably make a resin one that would ring in at about the 30.00 USD range. About the same as a resin vehicle. Shoggies are level boss type monsters anyway IMO, so one wouldn't need that many on the table at once).
Bigger problem IMO is making something that big maneuverable enough on the table. Vehicles are a static shape, so it's okay if they're restricted to main roads and such, but shoggies' amorphousness means they should be physically able to follow a player pretty much anywhere, despite their bulk. I can think of at least four ways to do that off the top of my head, but they'd all drive the cost up, and one of those would necessitate prepaints.
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Great stuff. It looks much better than any of the other versions I've seen.
A Shoggoth + tentacles bundle would be great.
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Awesome Shoggoth! The painting is fantastic too! Love the green. :-*
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Funny, I was just wondering why I hadn't seen anything new from Tengu.
I'll buy that for a dollar! (or whatever it costs!) lol
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Very nice! :-*
Darkoath
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Again great... I have some of tengu minis waiting for paintwork, I will add sure this Shoggoth... with tentacles is more dinamic, sure
Congratulations... masterwork man
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Great design and lovely pj. I'll have to add this to the list of mustbuys. :)
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Excellent work, I like it.
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Stunning work!!!!! :o
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Thanks again for the comments. I've added the model to the online shop and bundled it with 4 white metal tentacles.
release it ASAP so I can get one, paint it red and use it as a Soviet mutant monster roaming the prospects of Pripyat
Cool idea, I'm making one into a Biotank for my Grey Aliens ;)
Bigger problem IMO is making something that big maneuverable enough on the table. Vehicles are a static shape, so it's okay if they're restricted to main roads and such, but shoggies' amorphousness means they should be physically able to follow a player pretty much anywhere, despite their bulk. I can think of at least four ways to do that off the top of my head, but they'd all drive the cost up, and one of those would necessitate prepaints.
You can think of four ways? I can't think of any save a shoggoth shaped water balloon..
cheers
Iain
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Best Shoggoth YET ! Ordered !
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Ordered two rightaway...fantastic sculpts! Your best sculpt so far. It's Lovecraftian in the best way possible. The first order I placed went fast and excellent, so I knew I wanted to order these rightaway 8)
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yup, had to place order too,
regards
jim
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Yay! Ordered it along with the Son of Soapy. Looking much forward to those two.
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Ordered it, Son of Yog and some tcho tcho thugs.
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You can think of four ways? I can't think of any save a shoggoth shaped water balloon..
I was thinking beanbag rather than water balloon. I've got a beanbag I made for a photography class on my desk (it also makes a nice wrist pad for my mouse hand) which gave me the idea. It's not a normal beanbag, but one designed to be mouldable and to hold the shape you smush it into so it can "grab" and support the camera body or lens barrel. The same principles could be used to make a rubber beanbag shoggoth that could be squished or stretched into different shapes. This is the one that would need to be a prepaint, since hobby paints would just crack or rub off something like that. It'd pretty much have to be painted using intrinsically colored variations of the casting rubber.
The other three ideas involved breaking the shoggoths bulk down into a series of individually cast modular "globs" which could be rearranged by the player to create different profiles. The first idea was just to sculpt the globs to tessellate in two dimensions to create a kind of tangram shoggoth model. That lead to me thinking of embedding magnets in the various surfaces, which of course would make three dimensional tessellation possible. The third idea was to make the globs mechanically connected in a ball-and-socket chain (linear or radial/fractal) which could be wadded or drawn out into different shapes by the player.
The 2D "tangram shoggoth" would be the most practical & economical as a product, but I would love to try the bean bag method.
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Ahh, now that I think about it again, the bean bag method is doable as a DIY without resorting to rubber. Wouldn't look quite as good, but it would work. Oh, god, arcane shapes are forming in my head... I gotta try this now.
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Crivens! That's terrifying; love it! That would look utterly monstrous in 15mm!
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And it's arrived!
Popped through the letterbox this afternoon, a grand total of 3 days from order to arrival, excellent service that chap!
and as stated, tentacles included for the choice of shoggy design,
regards
jim
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Same here, arrived today suburb miniature.
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Mine too. Great service and fantastic mini's.
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Ordered, cheers Iain.
The Commander
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Collected my package today. The Shoggoth is absolutely marvellous, casting quality of the very highest order, and I can wholeheartedly recommend it to anyone even remotely interested in Cthulhu-related miniatures.
The "Son of Soapy" is also a marvellous piece - where the Shoggy is exquisitely detailed, this one is tremendously smooth. Had a little problem with mine, but that is already sorted, so top marks for service to Tengu. I am amazed how well the figure meshes in with the mental image of the story (pun intended), and yet how it is totally different from the RAFM "Son" that I also have somewhere.
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Arrived today lovely thanks. One thing, do one x3 size, hollow cast to cut down on weight/resin, would be great to bring out dad if junior's getting his protoplasm kicked!
:)
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Arrived today lovely thanks. One thing, do one x3 size, hollow cast to cut down on weight/resin, would be great to bring out dad if junior's getting his protoplasm kicked!
:)
I'm currently painting mine and would probably buy one of those, too! But I wonder if the sculptor has enough sanity left to sculpt all the eyes and bubbles you would need to do on such a big one... lol
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I have faith in Iain, plus i know a good private psychiatric unit with a warm bed and a full meds trolley! ;)
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Lol yeah I'll have the number off you Mark :) I'm thinking about a larger hollow cast model, just not sure of the technique. I met someone who made really nice hollow cast resin buildings at Gauntlet last year. The walls were a regular 4mm thickness and they were single cast..... wouldn't tell me how he did it though :)
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Brilliant model! Love it with the tentacles!
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URG!
I kinda made a vow that I won't buy new stuff in any line, until I get most of the 'old stuff' all painted up.
I've only finished 2 of my previous TENGU models, so I have to get busy before i order this....
(it's killing me though!)
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Lol yeah I'll have the number off you Mark :) I'm thinking about a larger hollow cast model, just not sure of the technique. I met someone who made really nice hollow cast resin buildings at Gauntlet last year. The walls were a regular 4mm thickness and they were single cast..... wouldn't tell me how he did it though :)
Spun moulds? I remember having as a kid a snoopy plaster figure mould making kit, where you snapped the moulds into a spinning frame, added the plaster of paris and used the handle to spin the son bitch until the plaster when off. Result hollow cast.
I'd just go for a two part piece personally, a bit easier to do but that would require two two part moulds, (one for each half).
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I'd just go for a two part piece personally, a bit easier to do but that would require two two part moulds, (one for each half).
While it would certainly make life easier for the caster, unless they manage to pull off the mother of all mould splits, it's going to make for horrendous joint line smoothing.
I wonder if you could do a "bottom block" and a "plug" to be inserted into the main blocks' cavity.
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I wonder if you could do a "bottom block" and a "plug" to be inserted into the main blocks' cavity.
Oh dear, it's a good job this isn't Frothers!! ;)
A x3 model would be great, spin casting might not be a bad idea, you know. :)
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Oh dear, it's a good job this isn't Frothers!! ;)
Oh, get your mind out of the gutter! lol
TOTALLY unintended. Really, even if nobody's going to believe me. lol
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Fancied painting this one straight away, probably my quickest, purchase to paint time for a while.
(Excuse the Deep Ones, always trying to steal the limelight and it was a gibbous moon! ;).
I've gone for a similar paint finish to Iain's store models.
(http://i446.photobucket.com/albums/qq186/Vyperzoom/Cthulhu%20pics/deeponesandshoggoth.jpg)
Although I started with a white undercoat and built out using Green GW ink and the green wash. Once I got to a suitable depth of colour I stated to add some coat d'arms armour wash in there and some of the very old GW green wash, and ork flesh wash.
Once complete, I went over the eyes with a thined scorpion green, stippling and pooling little dots of green to give that pulsating glow. (I also think a jet black one with neon blue eyes would really pop too!).
Anyway still to finish this one, got to go round tidying up the eyes, glazing them and adding some highlights to the entire body before glossing.
I was going to add limbs/tentacles but got carried away with my washes. I might add some to the finished project.
More pics later.
The Commander
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While it would certainly make life easier for the caster, unless they manage to pull off the mother of all mould splits, it's going to make for horrendous joint line smoothing.
I wonder if you could do a "bottom block" and a "plug" to be inserted into the main blocks' cavity.
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5220/5438123506_9cd46fb556_b.jpg)
The sleeve and solid plug arrangement for the core is so that the rubber inside mold can be more easily removed from the casting, making more complex and undercut inner profiles possible.
Vented backplates are essential when working with open backed molds. It adds almost nothing to the material and labor costs of the mold, and it prevents a lot of extra per unit labor costs down the line for both the caster and the customer. Way too many gaming manufacturers don't use backplates, and there is no excuse for this other than laziness and short sightedness.
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Great idea, great schematic
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Another shot of the shoggy from the rear:
(http://i446.photobucket.com/albums/qq186/Vyperzoom/Cthulhu%20pics/shoggyback.jpg)
Plus drilled and pinned the tentacles, shoggy lost an eye for the larger tentacle, but I'm sure it won't miss it! ;)
Will paint those later today.
(http://i446.photobucket.com/albums/qq186/Vyperzoom/Cthulhu%20pics/shoggy.jpg)
(http://i446.photobucket.com/albums/qq186/Vyperzoom/Cthulhu%20pics/shoggytentacles.jpg)
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(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5220/5438123506_9cd46fb556_b.jpg)
This is the way to go. Still, the outer sleeve uses a huge amount of resin, so it may be a good idea to use some "filler" in its borders to save on costs. Even so, since we are talking about the casting of a very big shoggoth, the mould is going to be big nonetheless, so it would require the use of a special resin suitable for larger pieces. When sculpting, it is important to bear in mind the limitations on the possible shape, too, to allow for this type of casting.
But the way to go.
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If you going to make it, it needs to made out of hardfoam, similar to what they use to make scenery pieces, this stuff will also cut the weight down.
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Still, the outer sleeve uses a huge amount of resin, so it may be a good idea to use some "filler" in its borders to save on costs.
It's a simplified drawing. For something like this, I actually feel one should use a shell mold for the outer sleeve, rather than a block mold. Rubber ain't cheap, so I'm actually a proponent of using shell molds whenever possible. I only really like block molds for wee fiddly parts.
Hastily modified diagram:
(http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5020/5440288222_1718c3a497_b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/24906491@N06/5440288222/)
mold-diagram-2 (http://www.flickr.com/photos/24906491@N06/5440288222/) by connectamabob (http://www.flickr.com/people/24906491@N06/), on Flickr
The mother mold can be made from anything that's strong and rigid enough, and can be a shell instead of the block shown. As long as it's enough to keep the rubber in place. I've even seen people use stuff like epoxy putty and Friendly Plastic for small molds. Plaster w/ cloth embedded in it (plaster bandage, burlap soaked in hydrocal, etc.) is the most common I've seen, followed by polyester auto body filler.
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Rather than detract from Iain's current cthulhu sculpt, why not move the QA hollow mould stuff to the workbench? Highly useful and get a bigger audience that way?
The Commander
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shoggy lost an eye for the larger tentacle, but I'm sure it won't miss it!
Yeah it won't have problems seeing with out that that one! Great stuff btw can imaging those Deep Ones herding the Shoggoth out of the sea under a gibbous moon. ;D
I actually feel one should use a shell mold for the outer sleeve, rather than a block mold. Rubber ain't cheap, so I'm actually a proponent of using shell molds whenever possible.
I see the benefits of a shell mould for something as large as this would be, and the plug seems to be the way to go. Could be something I'd try on a small scale before attemping something larger.
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Great Shoggoth!!! ;D
I want it, but on Tengu web store it's out of stock!!! :'(
And the son of Yog-Sothoth too!!!!....
Please help me! I got a new credit card and I want spend some money!!!! ;)
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Here's a pic of mine, painted as a Pripyat Mutant Monster:
(http://i249.photobucket.com/albums/gg236/Christian_S_1979/Modelling%20and%20Miniatures/Radiant%20Prospekts/MUTANT_MONSTER_FINISHED_01.jpg)
More pics here, if you're interested: Radiant Prospekts Thread (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=25237.15)
A wonderful, wonderful piece. I'm currently trying to pace myself, but I'm having this idea of an army of Shoggoths... ten or so should suffice...
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I'm never eating strawberry angel delight with malteasers again!!!
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My shoggoth arrived today :-* :D
Just as wonderful as the son of Yog-Sothoth
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@Commander....Great effect on those eyes! (or whatever they are) The green really does give me the sensation of pulsating.
@Westfalia...I love it! The differeing color scheme gives it a whole new feel. Bizarre and creepy!
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@Commander....Great effect on those eyes! (or whatever they are) The green really does give me the sensation of pulsating.
@Westfalia...I love it! The differeing color scheme gives it a whole new feel. Bizarre and creepy!
Cheers, finished, (added the tentacles and just waiting on gloss varnish):
(http://i446.photobucket.com/albums/qq186/Vyperzoom/Cthulhu%20pics/Shoggothcomplete1.jpg)
The Commander
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Here's a pic of mine, painted as a Pripyat Mutant Monster
Love that... the added sign is brilliant.
I want it, but on Tengu web store it's out of stock!!!
Sorry about that... was bad planning on my part. However I just got a box full of metal tentacles from the caster so Shoggoth will be back in stock today. Currently working on a re-mould of Son of Yog-Sothoth... that'll take a little longer.
Cheers, finished, (added the tentacles and just waiting on gloss varnish):
Yeah some gloss will really set the model off. I found vallejo gloss worked best. Did this first but then did a second coat in humbrol enamel gloss for strenght, but that was too glossy. Ended up re-doing with the vallejo again. :)
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Sorry about that... was bad planning on my part. However I just got a box full of metal tentacles from the caster so Shoggoth will be back in stock today. Currently working on a re-mould of Son of Yog-Sothoth... that'll take a little longer.
Thanks a lot Blackstone! ;)
I send you an order very soon! ;D
And meanwhile I'm wating for the Yoggy's son recast!
This forum it's a gold mine.
How can I do before.... ??? lol