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Title: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on September 17, 2012, 11:26:31 AM
Like many of you I see inspired to model this 'period', I am embarking on a project to wargame Westeros.
I like many of the proxy choices/conversions discussed so far and the painted results are simply inspirational.
I'm using Gripping Beast vikings not only as a source of heads for the Northern Bannermen, but also to model a raiding party of Ironborn under the Greyjoy kraken banner. I'm modelling all of them with swords and axes and am considering converting either a Bretonnian foot knight or Gondorian as the plate armoured Admiral Victarion and sculpting the kraken motif on his helmet with green stuff.

I also had a thought to using some of my LOTR Army of the Dead as undead wights. I even tried converting one to a White Walker by carving away his sword into an 'ice dagger' and painting silver and ice blue/green colours to replicate the 'stealth' armour they wear... The simple addition of the piercing ice-blue eyes is quite striking
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Vermis on September 17, 2012, 05:05:40 PM
Like many of you I see inspired to model this 'period', I am embarking on a project to wargame Westeros.

Hoo-rah!

I've also got a few spare GB viking and saxon heads to use for that purpose; but after putting together the full minis (as vikings and saxons (http://www.cheddarmongers.org/prod/pic/Vermis/Historical/ThegnsA01.jpg.html)!) I might look elsewhere for Ironborn.  A wee tad too fiddly for my liking.

Any pics of your first White Walker?  Sounds interesting.

Do you have any particular rules in mind?
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Mr.J on September 17, 2012, 06:32:29 PM
Yes some pictures would be good. I'm currently working on a small Song of Ice and Fire project of my own. Hopefully some day I'll get enough done to start up my own thread, until then I love reading others for inspiration.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on September 18, 2012, 07:45:12 AM
I kinda like the sound of using the LOTR skirmish game system. My wife found me a copy in a charity shop. I normally game (when I ever get round to it) using Armies of Arcana, but to be honest the modelling side is what is driving me most and I'm simply using the spare individual round bases that I had knocking around for now.
I'm in the middle of doing a load of flags of the Northern Bannermen. I find that helps keeps the drive going, wanting to put figures behind the banners...
I'll post a pic of the 'white walker' soon
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on September 26, 2012, 09:18:15 AM
I need to work on the 'ice cold piercing blue eyes' and the pale white flesh tones, but this is how my wight or possibly even 'white walker' is coming along before detailing and highlighting. I've pared down the sword to make it the ice-like shard the Others use...
In the books they are supposed to wear 'stealth' like reflective armour so cold swirling tones are needed - I've been mixing silver in with blues and greens... any suggestions?
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG0840.jpg~original)
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG0838.jpg~original)
If all goes well I shall do the rest of the Army of the Dead with similar eyes so they can double as Wights either for ASOIAF or LOTR.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Mr.J on September 26, 2012, 12:06:39 PM
That works for me. It looks really good, I like the colours you've used on the armour, very effective.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Hupp n at em on September 27, 2012, 05:28:54 PM
The Other looks very good!  Having really liked your Lord of the Rings stuff in the past, I look forward to what you come up with for westeros.  :)
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Johnno on September 28, 2012, 12:06:20 AM
The Others take you and your finished model and nice results!
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on October 01, 2012, 07:49:59 AM
Managed to pick up some GW LOTR figures at a local show for a Song,
I now have 4 Dunlendings to use as Ironborn leaders, 'Denethor' to convert as Balon Greyjoy, a female fighter to convert as Asha Greyjoy, and several Ithilien rangers as Night's Watch. I also got hold of a Moria Cave Troll that I'd thought I'd convert into a giant/wild man of the woods...
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Thargor on October 01, 2012, 05:21:54 PM
If you're looking for character models, Darksword Miniatures has the license to produce the range and they have some very nice figures already.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on October 03, 2012, 07:50:48 AM
Reading ASOIAF I find Martin's blending of historical references both intriguing and as a modeller somewhat frustrating. I enjoy the richness of the language and he evokes the medieval feel of Westeros extremely well. He has stated that he has the Wars of The Roses in mind which I can see in the dynastic powerplay that unfolds, but his constant references to mail and greathelms with crests on and the use of simplified heraldry (sigils) puts me firmly in mind of the C13. The HBO series used Hundred Years War references such as the bascinets used by the Northern Bannermen and Far Eastern and later western references for the Lannisters, with even a bit of Turkish thrown in the mix for the City Guardsmen of King's Landing.
I'm looking to use HYW figures and earlier for the North, and a blend of HYW/WOTR for the South with my own visual take on Westeros.
Am making good progress with my Moria Troll/Giant conversion. Hope to post pics of WIP soon.     
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Mr.J on October 03, 2012, 06:02:47 PM
I'm using a mix of Perry HYW/WOTR minis for my project.

When he states WOTR as an influence I always take that to mean the dynastic power struggles of the time rather than the arms and equipment etc as in my mind they seem to fit an earlier time frame historically.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on October 04, 2012, 07:37:00 AM
Some WIP pics of my Cave Troll / Giant conversion. I've completed the 'shaggification' but left the underarms, hands and toes free of fur, as well as the chest and belly area, so he is a little gorilla-like. I didn't want to obscure all the original troll detail. I shall be putting him on a large round base (when I can find one) and adding a few details from my bits box - I seem to remember there being some severed heads to hang from his belt around somewhere. He's a little rough around the edges when viewed close up like this warts-an-all, but will paint up well I think...
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG0871.jpg~original)
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG0872.jpg~original)
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG0873.jpg~original)
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Mr.J on October 04, 2012, 10:18:19 AM
Excellent! I was a bit dubious when you said you were using a cave troll but it actually looks really good.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: FramFramson on October 04, 2012, 12:46:08 PM
That's abominable!  ;)
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on October 04, 2012, 01:01:31 PM
I'm pleased with the overall result of my abominable conversion (thanks for that FramFramson) lol, though I will be far happier when it has a lick of paint. If you look at the general description of the Westeros giants on the Wiki site
http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Giant, the Moria Cave troll matches the description pretty closely. If it hadn't been for the fact that I picked up the Troll torso for only a squid I wouldn't have tried the conversion.

I shall be keeping my eyes peeled for another one now to undertake the mammoth task (thought I'd get in there first)  :D of modelling a mounted version, the Papo and Schleich Mammoths are around 1:20th scale.

The Schleich mammoth is 16 x 12cms
http://www.everythingdinosaur.com/woolly-mammoth.html
The Papo version is taller and larger at 22 x 14cm
http://www.everythingdinosaur.com/papo-woolly-mammoth.html
The Natural History Museum do a version 20 x 14cm H though it is a little staid in pose and too friendly looking for my liking!
http://www.everythingdinosaur.com/woolly-mammoth-2.html
Alternatively there's the Everything Dinosaur Wild Safari Woolly Mammoth at 16 x 11cm H (to the head)
http://www.everythingdinosaur.com/wild-safari-woolly-mammoth.html

Which one would you guys choose if you were me?
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Wilkins on October 04, 2012, 08:03:37 PM
Looking forward to seeing your giant with some paint on. Mammoth-wise my vote is for the Papo one!
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Mr.J on October 04, 2012, 08:06:10 PM
I like the top two best. The third one is the worst I think.

In order of preference:
1st 2nd 4th 3rd.

Looking forward to seeing what you do with these.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on October 09, 2012, 07:39:21 AM
Thanks for the straw poll guys,
I think I will keep my eye out for a Papo mammoth, since I like the pose better. If I can get hold of another troll body cheaply enough I'll go mammoth hunting :).

Hopefully I'll pick up some more bits and bobs at SELWG this coming Sunday.

I always try to model some distinctive piece of scenery that evokes the period I'm gaming. I'm planning a few barrows to supplement the scenery I already have. I like buildings and the idea of a small Sept appealed. One thing bugs me about Martin's description - I get the 7 niches for the seven gods, but where's the door going to be? Surely it makes more architectural sense to have an 8 sided building, with 1 side blank for a door and the other 7 niched?! A nice Romanesque/Byzantine round church would look quite good I think with a small clerestory.

I discovered a cache of wire at the weekend and while the muse (and the milliput) sang to me, decided to work on a Weirwood tree. The trunk was easy enough to make but I'm not looking forward to cutting out loads of leaves!
WIP pics to follow...



Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on October 10, 2012, 01:00:17 PM
WIP pics of my weirwood heart tree, with a follower of the drowned god for scale! The main sculpt has been mostly done, some finer bark texturing and minor work on the branches and the fiddler smaller branches to do before the addition of loads of red painted paper leaves. The base is a separate matter
 (http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG0876.jpg~original)
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG0879.jpg~original)
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on October 23, 2012, 07:55:45 AM
I understand now why commercially available trees are so fricking expensive. The main build was easy enough but I've now used enough fuse wire to light up a small town to model the upper branches... :o :'( >:(
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG0881.jpg~original)
Next stop is to coat the thinner branches with something (probably an epoxy resin glue) before matt white undercoating. Then the joyous task of adding a gazillion leaves handcut from red painted paper... ;D
I will not be modelling any more trees in the near future, and I can feel my LOTR Ent/Huorn army receding to the end of my 'To Do' list!
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: DeafNala on October 23, 2012, 12:14:16 PM
The Tree is EXCELLENT. GREAT WORK
You're right about your minis getting dropped a couple of spots on the priorities scale. Terrain making is definitely addictive...I need to make some more Mushrooms now.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: CyberAlien312 on October 23, 2012, 12:22:12 PM
The tree is very nice!
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sundayhero on October 23, 2012, 10:13:59 PM
For faster chesnut-style tree building (but not as cool as yours), you can replace the very tiny upper branches with some pillow interior flakes (polyester I guess). You can make them so thin that they appears almost invisible. Then spray a deep green paint on it and then modelling flock (cork or sawdust style).

It's a good way to build a big forest fast (I used it to make forest on slot racing tracks, where the boards are around 3-4meters x 1-2meters wide...).
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on October 24, 2012, 07:35:27 AM
Good tip sundayhero. If it weren't for the fact that Weirwoods had such distinctive leaves (red 5-ptd maple-like) and I wanted a sparser autumnal look, them I'd have gone with a similar idea.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: obsidian3d on October 24, 2012, 04:35:35 PM
Great looking tree! Very evocative.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Vauln on October 24, 2012, 09:58:48 PM
I love the Weirwood!
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Thantsants on October 25, 2012, 12:50:02 AM
Nice work on the tree - some useful tips to take away there too  :D
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on November 05, 2012, 08:23:52 AM
The final result after what seems like years of sticking on leaves!
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG0884.jpg~original)
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Mo! on November 05, 2012, 07:38:04 PM
Wow thats right down special!!! Well done!
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: CyberAlien312 on November 05, 2012, 08:06:25 PM
That's fantastic!
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: max on November 05, 2012, 09:17:47 PM
The tree looks nice, looking forward to your armies taking shape
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on November 09, 2012, 08:22:28 AM
A WIP shot of my 'abominable' giant converted from a Moria Troll, apologies for the poor pics - too little coffee=too much camera shake!
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG0886.jpg~original)
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG0889.jpg~original)
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: max on November 09, 2012, 09:01:20 AM
Impressive sculpting!
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Treebeard on November 09, 2012, 09:38:06 AM
Very well done
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: CyberAlien312 on November 10, 2012, 11:32:22 AM
Great sculpting indeed, I really like it!
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Doomhippie on November 10, 2012, 12:56:47 PM
Nice one! I think it fits very well to the descriptions given.

I love that tree of yours just as well!
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on November 23, 2012, 08:30:10 AM
A little wip shot of the pretty much finished giant facing off against 8 of my Night's Watch - predominantly GW Rangers, with the odd adventurer thrown in. I have added little bits of fur trim to cloak hoods and collars in green stuff,...
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG0890.jpg~original)
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG0891.jpg~original)
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG0898.jpg~original)
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG0899.jpg~original)
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Mr.J on November 23, 2012, 05:40:37 PM
Very nice! More pictures of the Nights Watch please.
Have you made any progress with the mammoth?
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on November 26, 2012, 08:23:25 AM
More pics of the Night's Watch will follow as they roll off the production line. I spent a productive few evenings assembling what will become wights from a mixture of Mantic zombies/ghouls and Warlord Celtic warrior parts. Now I have a few hours ahead of me modelling green-stuff furs and clothing before what will hopefully be a relatively straightforward but rewarding paint job...

The Mammoth project will have to keep till the New Year. My pre-New Year's resolution is to finish the figures I already have. I've approx 40 Vikings assembled to paint as Ironborn and a coupla dozen assorted medievals/LOTR figs to paint as Northern Bannermen.   
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on December 06, 2012, 08:56:04 AM
WIP shots warts-n-all of my mounted Other, loosely based on the image from season 2 of GOT. The head is from a GW Army of the dead figure, the torso and legs from a Warlord Celtic warrior, on an old school Grenadier undead horse.
I've shaved the cheeks of the face to make him more gaunt looking and added green-stuff hair. Otherwise he is more or less as sculpted. I liked the pose but that came with a tunic so I couldn't model the skin and bone look. The skin tones on the Other are experimental and I still need to perfect the piercing ice-blue eyes.
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG0901.jpg~original)
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG0904.jpg~original)
I wanted the horse to look more 'freshly dead' and wanted to add the hanging entrails mentioned in the book. Skin and muscle and a bit of mane has been added in green stuff and milliput. There's a lot of bone and scraps of barding modelled on the horse so the full effect won't show until its painted.
I'm currently experimenting on a Foot version with a naked torso. I plan to remove the six pack and model the bony starved look that the conceptual artists came up with.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on December 10, 2012, 08:30:31 AM
And some WIP Others on foot from a mash up of Warlord Celts, Mantic Zombies, LOTR Army of the Dead and parts from my Bits Box
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG0905.jpg~original)
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG0908.jpg~original)
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Mr.J on December 10, 2012, 11:12:54 AM
Great stuff! Keep up the good work.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on December 10, 2012, 01:56:32 PM
Worked on the 4 foot this lunchtime adding hair and wristbands in green stuff. Soon be ready for undercoating and painting
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: assi on December 13, 2012, 07:36:15 AM
I tried to do the same and combind Perry Wotr and GW Rohirrn Minis to build some single Minis for RPG Purposes and some Bases for Impetus:

Single Based (so far)

(http://i.imgur.com/nFWkn.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/QpbAi.jpg)

Bowman Base
(http://i.imgur.com/nvQTM.jpg)

Skirmisher Base
(http://i.imgur.com/qQ101.jpg)
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on December 13, 2012, 08:10:30 AM
Some very nice units developing there. I particularly like the Rohan swordsman with Perry head and heater shield combination you have used as a commander for your bowman unit.
I have some Perry WOTR minis on my Christmas list, together with some Gripping Beast plastic Bondi which I hope to swap around and add. I have a few Rohan infantry I have converted to Northern Bannermen, but I see I will have to get a few more to use with Perry head swaps.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on December 13, 2012, 08:33:56 AM
Some WIP shots of my first batch of Wildlings based on the Warlord Celtic Warriors figures with added fur and skin cloaks, wristbands and leg warmers and a variety of weapons from the bits box. (I have yet to sculpt some stone axes). The round shields are the smaller GW Dwarven variety. The overscale thick metal rims will be pared down and roughened to make them look like skin over wood/wicker. The guys with the disc applied tunics will ultimately make up a unit of about a dozen Thenn. The basing is rough and ready since it is more for handling the figure while sculpting. These will be detailed and tidied up later. I usually spray undercoat them white which shows up any imperfections that need cleaning before starting to paint
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG0922.jpg~original)
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG0921.jpg~original)
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG0918.jpg~original)
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG0917.jpg~original)
4 more torsos in the process of having green stuff added
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG0924.jpg~original)
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Wilkins on December 13, 2012, 11:18:05 AM
Very impressive! Nice idea combining the LOTR and Perry stuff, never considered doing that. Now I'm not sure why!
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: assi on December 13, 2012, 12:02:33 PM
Looking good so far! I never liked the TV Series Approach of the wildlings (looked too ... stona agey to me) but your's look wild but not primitiv!
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on December 13, 2012, 01:17:04 PM
The Wildlings are supposed to be backwoodsmen with limited availability to metalworking technology, so wood leather bone and fur and stone feature quite heavily. They also scavenge and steal weaponry and armour. The Thenn have a bronze age culture, but I had great trouble finding suitable barbarians with sufficient clothing to survive the cold - hence the extensive alterations in green stuff!
I do have my eye on some of the Copplestone Castings cavemen (and women) for the New Year - with suitable extra clothing and furs a smattering of figures amongst the various warbands they will provide me with the Low-tech look I am also after.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Mr.J on December 13, 2012, 02:44:08 PM
I love this project. Great conversions. Wish I had the motivation to persevere with mine.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on December 13, 2012, 02:54:42 PM
Mr J,
Its not that hard - and I'm having great fun with the green stuff and I would by no means classify myself as expert. It is surprising just how quickly you can make alterations. I only use 2 tools - a blunt scalpel and an old nail file, bent at the ends. The real knack is not mixing too much up for the session time you have available. I always keep a few other sculpting jobs ready to hand just in case I overdo it and mix up too big a batch. A pea sized ball will last you a good half hour of sculpting. Start with something larger to get your confidence and then try progressively fiddlier projects...

Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: blackstone on December 13, 2012, 07:00:36 PM
Nice thread. Also when mixing green stuff, you can mix up a larger batch than needed and place any extra stuff in the freezer. That'll slow down the rate it hardens. Can last for days like that. Make a thin worm of the greenstuff before it goes in the freezer so it's easy to snap off a small amount when needed. I place it in a ziplock baggie. ( also a 50/50 mix with milliput is highly recommended, much esier to work than straight green stuff) :)
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on December 14, 2012, 08:38:10 AM
Just three of the Rohirrim I'm using as Northern Bannermen. The two swordsmen have a Gripping Beast Viking and GW Empire head respectively, as well as built up fur collars to their cloaks. I particularly like the sallet on the 'Empire' head of my Stark levy and seeing assi's examples look forward to adding some Perry 'halfhelms' to my troops
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG0927.jpg~original)
Some excellent modelling tips from blackstone - though I tend to model one or other because of their different consistencies when mixed. I quite like the more plasticised consistency of green stuff over milliput when adding detail. I'll certainly bear the blending idea in mind for future projects. The freezer/storing idea is an excellent one. I'm not sure I'd ever find it again in our chest freezer at home so I'll have to content myself with using it all up on other figures!
;)
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: max on December 15, 2012, 10:53:05 AM
I just refound this thread after notifications stopped being sent to me. You seem to have cracked on, you wildlings looks awsome!
I'm trying to summon the courage to start a modelling project i have in mind, but don't want to get bored and have a dozn un-used figures! I have already had a go at making SOIAF figures and that didn't last long!

EDIT:
How about these for great helms? I had this idea and thought it might be good for the setting (i use it for my own setting, and they look good to me).
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on December 18, 2012, 02:25:41 PM
max,
It may well be easier to adapt/swap other plastic or metal heads (GW and Fireforge come to mind among others) and save the sculpting for the more ideosyncratic helms such as Victarion Greyjoy's kraken helm and the Hound's. Otherwise you may end up with an awful lot to handsculpt!
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: max on December 18, 2012, 05:11:14 PM
These arn't really for common soldiers, but for men who have enough money to buy full plate armour, and still e some left over to add gold and decorations!
My current project is silent, sitting under a pile of wars of the roses plastics. Maybe one day thought. Rohan are a good idea for northern troops.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: fastolfrus on December 18, 2012, 07:30:39 PM
Hat do some hard plastic figures too in their El Cid range.
Not sure that they would fit in but might give you some more variety for the southern troops.
For the piercing blue eyes, how about a metallic blue?
I think Tamiya used to do one in acrylic, and Humbrol had an enamel.

For the icy blue camo armour, Dulux did a copper-green metallic/verdigris home decorating paint possibly called "Editions". Unfortunately comes in a 250ml pot.
If you are ever near Scarborough you're welcome to decant some from the pot I have (do you ever go to the York show in February?).
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on January 09, 2013, 11:39:55 AM
Thanks for the offer, but I've nearly cracked the eyes using acrylics... Am currently in the process of painting up around 20 wights and some white walkers.

ATM I am adding quilted tunics in green stuff to 20 Warlord Numidians to make a unit of 'Unsullied'. I had to replace the bearded heads with spare heads from Perry Sudanese tribesmen, but have kept the conical helmets. I will be accentuating the tops to represent the spiked finials. It has given the unit a younger, more African look, and the Perry faces have a larger variety of facial expressions... will post pics of the 'greens' before and after soon.

8 other Numidians with full Perry Sudanes heads with skull caps and fezes have made a nice little unit of Astapori archers.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on January 22, 2013, 08:24:55 AM
The Unsullied are now practically finished, so I've switched for a change of pace to churning out all the Westerosi bannermen. I've now assembled the best part of 4x 12 man units of pike/billmen, 4x 8 man units of Longbowmen, and 12 Crossbowmen from a combination of Gripping Beast Hirdmen, Perry Miniatures WOTR Infantry and Mercenaries and Warlord Miniatures Viking Bondi. As a basic principle, a Viking torso will have a WOTR head and Vice versa, while there is enough WOTR and Viking equipment spare to ensure a good representation of troop quality from Militia through to professional soldiers. I'm adding cowls and hoods based on photographs from the excellent Embleton and Howe 'Medieval Soldier' book. The end result is an interesting mix of poses with a distinctive Martin feel.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Mr.J on January 22, 2013, 05:48:09 PM
It sounds like you are well away but have you considered using throwing the Foreforge plastics into the mix as well?
As soon as I saw them I thought that they would be ideal for ASOIAF.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Vermis on January 23, 2013, 12:15:04 AM
It's been a while since I replied to this thread.  Everything looks great!  The troll conversion looks especially effective.

The Wildlings are supposed to be backwoodsmen with limited availability to metalworking technology, so wood leather bone and fur and stone feature quite heavily. They also scavenge and steal weaponry and armour. The Thenn have a bronze age culture, but I had great trouble finding suitable barbarians with sufficient clothing to survive the cold - hence the extensive alterations in green stuff!but I had great trouble finding suitable barbarians with sufficient clothing to survive the cold - hence the extensive alterations in green stuff!

I hear that!  My eyes went bloodshot scouring the net for suitable minis.  Fantasy barbarians are almost all half-naked Conan-alikes (despite supposedly hailing from a similar climate) and historical celts aren't too far behind.  Vikings and saxons etc. have too much metal wrapped around them or just look too civilised in clothing.  As fussy as I am, I figure the easiest thing to do might be to sculpt some myself and have them cast up.

max,
It may well be easier to adapt/swap other plastic or metal heads (GW and Fireforge come to mind among others) and save the sculpting for the more ideosyncratic helms such as Victarion Greyjoy's kraken helm and the Hound's. Otherwise you may end up with an awful lot to handsculpt!

Eccentric Miniatures' helm sprue (http://www.eccentricminiatures.com/retems0002.html) might be just the thing.  Some of those, and their shields, and maybe some hand weapons on Perry men-at-arms?  Surcoats and tabards might be tricky, though; but still, EM just boosted my own ASoIaF plans ahead a fair bit.

(Although the final hump is still the biggest, IMO.  Where can I find at least one more ASoIaF fan to game with...?)
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Suber on January 23, 2013, 09:25:00 AM
I'm really enjoying this thread, good job! Go on!
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on January 24, 2013, 09:21:08 AM
Having had a look at the rule sets out there, I'm experimenting using my Armies of Arcana ruleset for this, since most of the troop types have equivalents already represented. An alternative is to try the LOTR skirmish rules, so I would have thought you should be able to find an opponent out there willing to have a go using those rules with ASOIAF Proxy figures.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on January 31, 2013, 09:28:37 AM
I've found that the Warlord Viking Bondi torsos are a good value source both for Northern Men at Arms and Wildlings. The trousers and footwear look about right for the climate, with the wrap around puttees. By the time you've added a hood/cowl/cape/cloak you tend to obscure the distinctive tunic collar while legwarmers and wrist bands add to the cold weather look. Then its just a question of using the head and arms of your choice and arming them appropriately.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on February 18, 2013, 09:33:23 AM
A few WIP pics of the forces as they roll off the production line...
The Others
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG0968_zps5a8e68c6.jpg~original)
The first batch of White Walkers
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG0965_zpsb3c21c8d.jpg~original)
The Magnar of Thenn leads his clan
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG0950_zps933f07a5.jpg~original)
The heavy mob - Papo Mammoth and converted Giant
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG0948_zps0b09bfc3.jpg~original)
A variety of Bannermen converted from Perry & Gripping Beast & Warlord parts with green stuff cowls and hoods added
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG0944_zpscdc537c8.jpg~original)
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG0941_zpsd9e4bbde.jpg~original)
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG0932_zps44fc2865.jpg~original)
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Mr.J on February 18, 2013, 11:15:02 AM
Excellent! This project just keep getting better!
This is exactly what I pictured things as looking like after reading the book. Your aesthetics are much closer to ASoIaF than the Game of Thrones series. Really like the Thenn, they look brilliant! All the extra work really has paid off.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on February 18, 2013, 11:26:15 AM
Thanks Mr J, I'm pleased with the look
Some shots of the Magnar of Thenn - one of my favourite conversions
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG0951_zps31ff10ff.jpg~original)
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG0952_zpsa9f4a1e1.jpg~original)
And some Northern archers
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG0942_zps8aa84f78.jpg~original)
And lastly Tyrion, Brom and Jaime
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG0938_zps07b51fab.jpg~original)
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Limaike on February 21, 2013, 12:44:20 PM
Jamie looks like a total freak. Perfect!!

I'm not surprised you looked elsewhere for the Game of Thrones character miniatures- the Dark Sword release was a disappointment, too stilted, especially the stuff by Meier (and i'm usually a big fan of his work).

Keep up the great work!
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on February 21, 2013, 02:32:28 PM
Hopefully once I've styled his King's Guard cloak the Prince Charming 'big hair' look will not seem too out of place!
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Hammers on February 21, 2013, 03:37:13 PM
Jamie looks like a total freak. Perfect!!

I'm not surprised you looked elsewhere for the Game of Thrones character miniatures- the Dark Sword release was a disappointment, too stilted, especially the stuff by Meier (and i'm usually a big fan of his work).

Keep up the great work!

I really like the Meier character figs.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: max on February 21, 2013, 06:29:01 PM
Really like the banner men. The use of parts is excellent, true kit bashing!
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: fastolfrus on February 21, 2013, 06:40:42 PM
Although the final hump is still the biggest, IMO.  Where can I find at least one more ASoIaF fan to game with...?

Where are you based?
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Vermis on February 22, 2013, 01:43:45 AM
Mid-Ulster. I go up to Belfast every couple of weeks to a fantasy skirmish/boardgame group, and to the Omagh library every month with a club of historical mass battle afficionados. I know what both would and do say if I suggest we all collect armies for fantasy battles, let alone for a set of books I don't think the rest of them ever looked at. ;D

Nice work, Sukhe. :)
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: CyberAlien312 on February 22, 2013, 08:45:39 AM
Very nice, that Tyrion is a great idea and it looks really good!
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on March 04, 2013, 12:34:05 PM
I took the plunge at the weekend and started painting up the 30 or so bowmen in liveries of various factions, initially in groups of 8 though I will probably succumb and purchase another box of perry WOTR infantry soon enough.The factions will represent Stark and Allies, Lannister and Allies, and a bunch of the River Lords. Painting badges is proving to be a pain though.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on March 22, 2013, 10:55:13 AM
I have now completed my Holdfast - based loosely on Northern Pele towers, and have half completed my Sept. WIP shots to follow... Once again all work conducted in coffee breaks and lunch hours much to the confused and intrigued looks of colleagues...
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on March 25, 2013, 02:39:16 PM
Having had a look at the HAVOC gaming system I will be creating units in multiples of 6, so a banner will now run to approx 20 figs with 6-8 bow, 6 bill and 6 pike or armoured MAA with a leader and musician/herald and a mounted figure or two.

Ultimately I hope to field 8 banners worth, as well as 24 Ironborn, 24 white walkers, 6 others and 24+ Wildlings, not forgetting the giant and Mammoth, But as yet I only have about 12 Night's Watch!
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Mr.J on March 25, 2013, 03:50:58 PM
We need pictures!
I'm very keen to see your holdfast.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: max on March 25, 2013, 04:04:38 PM
I'm currently testing Sharp Practice (a Toofatlardies set) for my medievals. I'll like to see what you think of HAVOC.
And yes, pictures of this holdfast!
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on March 26, 2013, 10:53:18 AM
Photoshoot delayed by lousy weather - though snow would be a pretty appropriate backdrop! Hopefully I'll post during the Easter Hols...
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on March 30, 2013, 01:56:24 PM
As promised some shots of my completed Holdfast, based on the layout of Pele towers but with a first floor entrance and Romanesque arches etc. The top is removable to allow the build to fit into a standard sized copy paper box and the roof comes off to be stowed inside.
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG0988_zpsd1aafd32.jpg~original)
The rear elevation with garderobe chute as base of talus and greenish tinge to stonework on North side
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG0993_zps9573188e.jpg~original)
The side elevation with principle window in Lord's quarters
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG0991_zps22e7400c.jpg~original)
Detail of wallwalk showing stone roof shingles and murderholes between machiols on corner turrets
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG0996_zps5ea51a65.jpg~original)
I'm pleased with the stone effect - suitably dour looking for the Northern marches
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Vermis on March 30, 2013, 05:12:42 PM
Cor blimey.  :o  That's a bit good.

(Lookit the size of the thing, too!  Makes GW's plastic towers and houses and things look like shacks in comparison)
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: max on March 30, 2013, 07:40:50 PM
Really nice looking, very effective painting and just plain lovely modelling.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: tomek917 on March 30, 2013, 07:56:25 PM
That's a nice looking tower!
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Wilkins on March 30, 2013, 08:13:00 PM
Really nice looking tower man! Very impressed, what did you make it out of?
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on March 30, 2013, 08:15:29 PM
styrofoam sheets 15mm thick on a base of expanded polysterene glued to a foamcore baseboard. The roof is card 'shingles' glued onto a foamcore V shape
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: fastolfrus on March 30, 2013, 11:02:53 PM
Stunning tower.
How did you do the windows?
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Mr.J on March 31, 2013, 02:48:13 AM
Wow! I was not expecting anything anywhere near as big as this. It is absolutely superb!
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Blackwolf on March 31, 2013, 05:06:39 AM
That's lovely :-*
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: **GS** on March 31, 2013, 05:55:03 AM
Very nice!
As you have mastered the art of sculpting polystyrene to stone walls , let me suggest a few little things that make your works masterworks instead of very good work:

Keep a keen eye on the link between to wall sections. Try better to hide the straight line between the two styrene plates.

Second, try painting in at least two basic colors, as stone walls don't normally come in just one color.

Last, try to sculpt the base to resemble normal ground. It's too thick for my part.

All in all, this is still very much more than most wargamers have in their games and it still looks stunning. So, keep on making such wonderful scenery.

Greetings GS
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on March 31, 2013, 11:42:08 AM
fastolfrus - the windows are simply the cut out arch shapes trimmed down in thickness then repositioned in the aperture and held in placce with a foamcore plate in the back of the wall. I add another 5mm layer of arch head detailing. The columns are made from thin balsa dowel or in this particular case modelling lollypop-stick of finely rolled paper.
GS - I agree the styrene sheets could have been better aligned to mask the joins. This is something I always struggle with. The baseplate is foamcore trimmed down at the corners. I have had problems in the past with bases warping when I use the woodworkers PVA adhesive. When I've added the flock to the base it should be less obvious.

My Sept is 3/4 complete and despite being polygonal I have pretty much eliminated any joins in the styrene by covering them with pilasters and buttresses
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: majorsmith on March 31, 2013, 11:48:02 AM
magnificent building! i love it!
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: **GS** on April 01, 2013, 05:10:41 AM
My Sept is 3/4 complete and despite being polygonal I have pretty much eliminated any joins in the styrene by covering them with pilasters and buttresses

Hi,
I am looking forward to seeing it!

Happy Easter !

GS
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Suber on April 01, 2013, 08:42:21 AM
Absolutely great! :)
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Painting Princess on April 05, 2013, 05:06:03 AM
Great thread! I like the Night's Watch; and the tree is fantastic! :-*
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Captain Blood on April 05, 2013, 09:29:39 AM
Excellent conversions - you're a dab hand with the old Green Stuff. Love that tower too.

Good to see something so creative happening in darkest Surrey  ;)
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on April 06, 2013, 04:42:31 PM
Finally my Sept nears completion. My inspiration is Romanesque/Byzantine architecture which I have also used with some success for my LOTR... The pan tiles give it a foreign 'mediterranean' touch. These are Wills 1:72 scale model railway accessory sheets.
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG1008_zpsc6030261.jpg~original)
Martin makes much play of the 7 sided Sept but it makes no architectural sense. If there are supposed to be 7 niches or walls to worship inside, how do you get in?- the logical 8th side has the door! The octagonal layout and roof tiling
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG1007_zps9be63a0f.jpg~original)
The main doorway with thee 7 pointed star of the Andals as a central motif
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG1004_zpsd5e77ebb.jpg~original)
With doorway and lintel detail and showing the iron studded door
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG1006_zpsece57b56.jpg~original)
Clerestory level without stained glass - these have to be designed, drawn, reduced in size and transferred onto acetate then painted and glued into position - another project in itself!
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG1005_zpsc36b5d7d.jpg~original)
View of blank arcading on exterior walls
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG1009_zpsfe4d1377.jpg~original)
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Suber on April 06, 2013, 05:19:45 PM
Woah... :o :o :o
Incredible piece of work!
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Wilkins on April 06, 2013, 05:37:27 PM
Sheer brilliance!  Very impressive!
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: tomek917 on April 06, 2013, 05:56:40 PM
That's simply amazing!  :-*

You are a very talented man! More please!  :D
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: max on April 06, 2013, 06:01:59 PM
That is excellent, the painting makes it look like a plastic kit. Brilliant!
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Elk101 on April 06, 2013, 07:08:45 PM
That is a bute!
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Limaike on April 06, 2013, 09:30:41 PM
Quote
Martin makes much play of the 7 sided Sept but it makes no architectural sense. If there are supposed to be 7 niches or walls to worship inside, how do you get in?- the logical 8th side has the door!

My wife is a big GRRM fan and now you've got her scrambling for explanations. So far she's got-

1. the sept has 7 sides and the entrance is on a point
2. the sept has 7 sides and all the niches are located on an internal seven sided wall
3. the entrance is located below floor level and you walk under the wall, into the body of the sept

Personally i think GRRM just screwed up.

Your sept looks amazing by the way.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Painting Princess on April 06, 2013, 10:58:39 PM
Wow, that's fantastic :-*
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Captain Blood on April 07, 2013, 01:05:50 AM
Great work. Well done  :)
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: CyberAlien312 on April 07, 2013, 07:50:58 AM
That's just wonderful!  :o
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Hammers on April 08, 2013, 07:22:53 AM
Very nice.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: OSHIROmodels on April 08, 2013, 08:57:41 AM
Cracking work  :-* 8)

I sense a foray into Westeros coming soon  :)

cheers

James
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Giger on April 08, 2013, 09:06:57 AM
Fantastic work in this thread, can't wait to see whats coming next
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Hammers on April 08, 2013, 10:09:01 AM
Cracking work  :-* 8)

I sense a foray into Westeros coming soon  :)

cheers

James

Same here. I just can't decide which area to focus on. With so many other irons in the fire I'd liek to keep it at a skirmish level and only a couple of factions. With the books taking place all over one is spoiled for choice. Riverlands? The wall? The North? The Shields? Mereen? The Neck?
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Blackwolf on April 08, 2013, 10:18:57 AM
Lovely building,and lovely figure work :-*
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: OSHIROmodels on April 08, 2013, 12:57:23 PM
Same here. I just can't decide which area to focus on. With so many other irons in the fire I'd liek to keep it at a skirmish level and only a couple of factions. With the books taking place all over one is spoiled for choice. Riverlands? The wall? The North? The Shields? Mereen? The Neck?

Well, I fancy making the Twins (that big bridge) or at least half of it for a table edge objective and keeping it to Sharp Practise level. As to houses I've no idea as I've only just finished watching Season two and havent read the books yet (got to meander my way though the Wheel of Time seris at the moment...).

cheers

James
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Hammers on April 08, 2013, 08:35:30 PM
You haven't read the books? You're in for a treat. You lose nothing watching the TV series first as the books ad a LOT. I've ploughed through they in a few months.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: OSHIROmodels on April 08, 2013, 08:37:38 PM
You haven't read the books? You're in for a treat. You lose nothing watching the TV series first as the books ad a LOT. I've ploughed through they in a few months.

Currently going through the Wiki of it but keep seeing little spoilers  >:( lol

Probably going for the Riverlands myself but the North does call  :D

cheers

James
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Vermis on April 08, 2013, 11:16:21 PM
Sept: wow! Looks the business. Very nice work.

With the books taking place all over one is spoiled for choice. Riverlands? The wall? The North? The Shields? Mereen? The Neck?

Ditto with aaall the houses.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Silent bob on April 09, 2013, 08:31:43 AM
I've just finished my 'Goat' figure (including his bloody Zorse) - as soon as I can suss out how to work the camera, I'll post some photos.

I'm collecting about 20 figures per group, starting with the Bloody Mummers and (probably) Amory Lorch's Lannisters.

I've got the basic medieval figures but have too source/convert the specials - Physcotic Jester, Septon & Maester etc.......
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on April 15, 2013, 09:36:27 AM
jimbibbly,
The Twins might be something of a challenge. It took me the best part of 6 months to get 2/3 of the way there with my Osgiliath bridge project
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/Men%20of%20Gondor/DSC02675.jpg~original)
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Captain Blood on April 15, 2013, 09:55:00 AM
Very tasty  :o
Is that a scratchbuild?
Perhaps just add another keep and you have The Twins after all :)
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Commander Vyper on April 15, 2013, 10:08:54 AM
Now that is a thing of beauty.   :-* :-*

CAST IT!!!!!
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on April 15, 2013, 10:18:39 AM
Yes Captain Blood - a scratchbuild from a coupla years ago, the bridge has removable spans to represent damage too
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on April 15, 2013, 10:21:40 AM
For the benefit of Captain Blood and others who may not have seen my Osgiliath bridge from my LOTR project
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/Men%20of%20Gondor/DSC02572.jpg~original)
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/Men%20of%20Gondor/DSC02574.jpg~original)
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Commander Vyper on April 15, 2013, 10:42:25 AM
Definitely cast it! :o
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: oxiana on April 15, 2013, 10:54:33 AM
Brilliant bridge!  :o

Definitely get cracking on the other keep -  I have a feeling that The Twins might get quite a bit of screentime at the end of the new series of Game of Thrones!  :D
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: OSHIROmodels on April 15, 2013, 11:32:19 AM
Cracking stuff  :-*

Twins it is then  :D

cheers

James
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Giger on April 15, 2013, 12:52:55 PM
Blimey that is some terrain you have there, incredible stuff!
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: tomek917 on April 15, 2013, 12:54:16 PM
That bridge is amazing! I'm with Commander Vyper om this one, cast it!

Twins it is then  :D

Looking forward to it! ;)
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: commissarmoody on April 15, 2013, 02:21:45 PM
Oh damn, that is cool
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on April 16, 2013, 09:22:35 AM
The Twins are too formidable for my Westerosi forces. My games will be on a far smaller scale, with scenery like this bridge which is a revamp from my ECW days, with a sabot base to make it compatable with my riverbank sections

(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG1018_zpseade8500.jpg~original)
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG1015_zps8af414c9.jpg~original)
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Hammers on April 16, 2013, 10:17:14 AM
STONKING build!
Good for Osgiliath to.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on April 16, 2013, 11:25:39 AM
Hammers, you should like these w.i.p. buildings - not so sophisticated but interesting nonetheless - turf longhouses based on Norse examples for use as both Wildling settlements and Northern villages. They should paint up well.
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG1010_zpse43d35aa.jpg~original)
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG1011_zps4fbe3d9d.jpg~original)
Construction is styrofoam onto a polysterene core covered with filler. I will be adding scatter material over the roof and balsa wood doors and door surrounds.
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG1012_zps489f75ea.jpg~original)
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Hammers on April 16, 2013, 11:46:44 AM
They look very much like the houses of teh ringfort of Eketorp on Öland, Sweden.

(http://christerhellberg.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/1024px-eketorp_oland.jpg)

Early medieval and quite suitable for teh North of Westros.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on April 16, 2013, 11:54:48 AM
Thanks very much for that Hammers - I have been looking for a stonewall variant and shall definitely be copying those!
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Hammers on April 16, 2013, 12:00:36 PM
Thanks very much for that Hammers - I have been looking for a stonewall variant and shall definitely be copying those!

The crenellation is a somewhat archaeologically disputed addition to the wall but it looks good.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on April 24, 2013, 01:40:37 PM
Had an opportunity to lay out all my Westeros 'wilderness' scenery at the weekend, with rocky riverbanks and ford, and all the trees in my collection...
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG1020_zpse2957d5f.jpg~original)
With sacred grove and heart tree
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG1023_zps6bc7934c.jpg~original)
The Night Watch on patrol about to be ambushed by some White Walkers
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG1031_zpsd31e7cdf.jpg~original)
The Night's Watch make a break for the ford, with three valiant volunteers opting to hold off the horde to allow their comrades to escape...
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG1035_zps5b03745c.jpg~original)
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Hupp n at em on April 25, 2013, 01:21:13 AM
Looking really good!!  8)
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Jevenkah on April 25, 2013, 02:09:26 AM

The Twins might be something of a challenge. It took me the best part of 6 months to get 2/3 of the way there with my Osgiliath bridge project


I love this bridge! We have a Great Dwarven Road project that you have just lit a fire under. Awesome work!

Jev
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: aggro84 on April 25, 2013, 02:24:36 AM
nice!
I hope you will sharing more.
 :D
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Suber on April 25, 2013, 07:13:06 AM
Both nice and interesting :).
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on May 07, 2013, 08:53:59 AM
Tried an experiment over the Bank Holiday to see how many pikemen I could make from the Perry Miniatures Mercenearies box. Setting aside all the crossbowmen parts of the sprue I was able to convert all the handgunner parts into about a dozen pikemen/billmen advancing and another dozen standard bearers for use with my Westerosi bannermen. I had a large number of Warlord Bondi arms left over from another project so was able to successfully graft the open hands onto the Perrys, and have made wire pikes and standards with drilled and glued spear heads.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Captain Blood on May 07, 2013, 09:06:01 AM
Show us Precious!
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on May 09, 2013, 08:32:33 AM
Some WIP shots of the Pike conversions from the Perry Mercenaries box
Various advancing poses from reusing the Handgunners arms. I had relegated 2 boxes of handgunner arms to my bits box until I got braver with the scalpel and pin vice. I think they have created some good variants...
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG1041_zps23049a72.jpg~original)
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG1042_zpsfd9f1a08.jpg~original)
Close up of 2 standard bearers (on Left a Warlord torso and 2-handed axe wielding arms with a green stuff fur collar added, and on R a Perry with drilled handgunner arms - you can see the distinctive ring on the R hand.
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG1045_zpsb7cf5efc.jpg~original)
Standard bearers with arms from the Handgunners and in some cases seperate Warlord open hands grafted on
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG1043_zps9f690df5.jpg~original)
2 sets of musicians the ones on the R using Warlord Bondi torsos, the one on the Top LH corner with a Warlord Numidian head
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG1046_zps5882fafe.jpg~original)
A set of 4 WIP Mounted bannermen using GW Rohirrim with WOTR heads, weapons etc.
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG1040_zpscfe1933b.jpg~original)

Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: tomek917 on May 09, 2013, 09:00:41 AM
 :o :-* Impressive! They look fantastic, especially the knights!

Is this just one force (of riverlords perhaps?) or miniatures for several?
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on May 09, 2013, 09:33:30 AM
I'm hoping to build up between 18 and 24 figures per banner, and plan up to 12 banners in all so I can game the first 3-4 books from Skirmish to small scale army level. I also have over 30 Ironborn, the same in Wildlings, 16 Thenn, a dozen or so Night's Watch and approx 30 White Walkers, plus a Giant and a Mammoth. I hope to have 4 - 6 Mounted and personality figures per faction too
This gives you a flavour of the forces I've assembled so far which has involved a lot of conversion and green stuff...
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG0974_zpsb84d3099.jpg~original)

(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG0973_zps1b3fd1a6.jpg~original)

I also have a couple of dozen Unsullied and some Astapori archers in the pipeline, but that's another story! ...
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Wilkins on May 09, 2013, 10:16:43 AM
Another story that we all want to hear. Or more accurately, see!
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: oxiana on May 09, 2013, 10:30:41 AM
All looking very splendid!

I wish GRR Martin wrote as fast as you assemble armies!  lol
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on May 09, 2013, 11:53:23 AM
Assembling and adapting the figures is perhaps the most satisfying part of the project, but at some point I'm going to have to knuckle down and paint them all! :'( :)
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: OSHIROmodels on May 09, 2013, 11:56:52 AM
Cracking work, a real inspiration  8)

Now, I haven't looked that closely at the latter pictures because I fear spoilers (only done Season two and only just finished the first book) but I'm assuming there are things in there that might be better left not seen until I've caught up?

cheers

James
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: max on May 09, 2013, 12:01:00 PM
Looks like you have plenty of stuff to paint!
I like the pikemen and standard conversions, the wargames factory hands are useful things to have. I'll be using a couple of ideas for my latest builds.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on May 09, 2013, 12:08:36 PM
Max,
Plenty to paint but until now I haven't assembled all the components of any one given faction, or I have one set of figures to use in skirmish games but not their usual opponents!
You might want to be especially careful of the Warlord open left hands - they are few and far between - the majority are clenched fists (i.e. holding shields) which will need drilling... :(

Spoiler free Jimbibbly - nothing here I think to ruin your enjoyment of GOT. The troops are my take on the books and not based on anything specifically shown in the series. I have read all the current books and am eagerly awaiting to read the rest and see Season 3 in all its glory...
There are indeed factions from Clash of Kings and Storm of Swords I want to ultimately model as well but atm they are on my wish list or on the drawing board... at least until I see how Martin intends to finish his epic cycle... ::)
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: OSHIROmodels on May 09, 2013, 12:10:57 PM
Spoiler free Jimbibbly

 :D Good to know, cheers  :)

cheers

James
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Eric the Shed on May 09, 2013, 12:56:56 PM
Just discobvered this thread - awesome !!

Whereabouts are you in Surrey? Its my home county as well

Eric
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on May 09, 2013, 01:13:03 PM
So I noticed Eric the Shed - I'm based not all that far from Biggin Hill
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Eric the Shed on May 09, 2013, 02:04:18 PM
The eastern end of Surrey..... :)
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on May 09, 2013, 02:17:04 PM
Some would say the Far East!
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Captain Blood on May 09, 2013, 04:16:56 PM
Hey, that's where I live!
Not far from Biggin Hill...  ;)
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Little Odo on May 09, 2013, 04:40:47 PM
I'm not too far from there either. Small world eh?
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: shadowking1957 on May 09, 2013, 04:44:46 PM
What heads you used for Tyrion, Jamie and bron and ? all lok brilliant its got me going to do the nights watch using the fireforge foot knights and some WOTR perrys, out standing ideas buddy
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on May 10, 2013, 07:58:24 AM
I culled a few bare heads with 'prince charming' hair from the GW Bretonnian knights of the Realm box - (6th ed I think)
http://www.roundtable-bretonnia.org/index.php?option=com_fireboard&func=view&catid=25&id=46447&Itemid=87
The trumpeter on the RH in the first pic for Jaime and a few images down the KE Champion for Tyrion.
I already had a load of 5th Ed Bretonnians as proxy figures for my Gondorian infantry, so I went with the later plate armour look and with the Perry twins' awesome WOTR figures for the most part...
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: aggro84 on May 11, 2013, 11:17:27 PM
I like where this project is going!
 :-*
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on May 13, 2013, 08:05:27 AM
The conversion work on the first of my Frey bannermen has been completed ready for undercoating and painting after a bit of tidying up. Martin describes the Frey infantry in his books as pikemen with silver grey cloaks, so I've added a variety of cold weather gear to this bunch in the form of cloaks, mantles and cowls...
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG1050_zps39194427.jpg~original)
And some individual shots
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG1057_zpsa43a26a9.jpg~original)
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG1056_zpsd8cd7e15.jpg~original)
 (http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG1055_zps3ff4a439.jpg~original)
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on May 20, 2013, 08:37:05 AM
The latest addition on the character list, my warts-n-all w.i.p. take on the unsavoury sellsword leader of 'The Brave Companions' aka 'The Bloody Mummers', Vargo Hoat.
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG1061_zps29a35b37.jpg~original)
The conversion uses a head from the Gripping Beast Viking Hirdman set, GW Beastman ram's horns, a Perry WOTR armoured R arm, a miscellaneous fantasy metal torso in mail and surcoat, and a random spare historical horse. The horse needed to be plain in detail since Vargo rides a 'Zorse', (a zebra to you and me). I needed to cut off any falling mane and replace it with a spikey upright one. Zebra are more mule-like with wider cheeks, more prominent rounded ears, wider rumps and a thinner more flywhisk-like tail. It is all finished off with a cloak, and the chain composed of coinage from all the places he has worked modelled around his neck.
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG1062_zps8816fd49.jpg~original)
Next up is some minor tidying up, then undercoat in white which will highlight any further imperfections that need correcting before painting...
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Suber on May 20, 2013, 09:03:20 AM
I'm impressed by the way you are solving things out! Applause! :)
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: max on May 20, 2013, 10:26:35 AM
Some great sculpting, i've copied the pictures of the cloaks so i can copy them. Really clean and smooth!
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Doomhippie on May 20, 2013, 11:29:13 AM
Love the project BUT have one Little criticism....

make sure to get rid of the mold lines. The horns on the helmet of the rider for example. The helmet and arm on two of the closeups of the pikemen.

I hate these mold lines and have been kicked mercilessly by Vikotnik when I learned the trade so now I feel I have to "pass it on".

Wonderful scuplts, great project, wonderful ideas. With just a little extra it's bound to be really memorable.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: James Holloway on May 20, 2013, 11:35:22 AM
I love this project!

One minor point: I don't think Vargo's zorse is a zebra, I think it's a zorse. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zorse . These are typically the offspring of a male zebra and a female horse.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on May 20, 2013, 12:07:10 PM
Yes, Doomhippie, as I am discovering the hard way, mold lines are tricky varmints to eradicate. Hence my 'warts-n-all' comment as I spotted more having just uploaded the images!  :-[
No doubt even more will show their ugly heads AFTER I've undercoated as well.
Thanks James - an excellent spot and BEFORE I started painting it! I always thought 'zorse' was simply a made up term by Martin, who'd have thought it. I shall research some suitable coat colour and maybe do it up more like a quagga... Will make an interesting painting scheme no doubt!
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Jevenkah on May 20, 2013, 12:34:57 PM
Yes, Doomhippie, as I am discovering the hard way, mold lines are tricky varmints to eradicate. Hence my 'warts-n-all' comment as I spotted more having just uploaded the images!  :-[
No doubt even more will show their ugly heads AFTER I've undercoated as well.

How well do metal files work on plastic? I've only ever used them on metal. Love the additions and mods you've done with the minis. I can't wait to see them done up!

Jevenkah
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on May 20, 2013, 01:16:54 PM
How well do metal files work on plastic? I've only ever used them on metal. Love the additions and mods you've done with the minis. I can't wait to see them done up!
Jevenkah,
In my experience metal files do work but leave a roughened finish that is difficult to clear. Far better to use a sharp blade, but then its a question of being able to get in at the appropriate angle.
As for seeing the figures when they're finished - you and me both!
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Doomhippie on May 20, 2013, 04:56:44 PM
Yes, Doomhippie, as I am discovering the hard way, mold lines are tricky varmints to eradicate. Hence my 'warts-n-all' comment as I spotted more having just uploaded the images!  :-[
No doubt even more will show their ugly heads AFTER I've undercoated as well.

I feel with you. Didn't want to spoil your fun or anything. I know the more minaitures I'm working on, the more mold lines escape my notice. That's why I try not to paint more than five miniatures at the same time - and even then I discover them while painting...
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on May 21, 2013, 08:22:29 AM
Doomhippie,
There is an upside to mold lines I have discovered recently. As I am adding green stuff to the figures, I tend to leave the mold lines till after I've finished. No point in scraping smooth any unnecessary areas I thought originally, but have also found that they do help key in the green stuff, so they are not all bad...
This is particularly important with my next project which I will post about shortly.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm (spoiler alert)
Post by: sukhe_bator on June 04, 2013, 08:55:07 AM
So sad to see that our friends Vargo Hoat and the Bloody Mummers do not get a feature in GOT s3, and the Fist of the First Men encounter and the Battle of Stony Mill only get scant mention - still that leaves the field open for us gamers eh?!
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Jevenkah on June 04, 2013, 01:02:09 PM
I'd say most of the wars in the TV version leave it up to us gamers. Teshub and I are only 6 or 7 episodes in and I am sick to death of discussion of battles, then cut away, then come back and see the troops moving somewhere else. Give me swords clashing! I am not particularly fond of Martin's descriptions of single combat (I believe one of the best is RE Howard, and that's some tough fighting to challenge) but I did think some of the large scale battles were well done in the books. I like story and character development, but I want combat when it fits. I guess that's another reason we play: to do it right!  ;)

Jevenkah
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on June 04, 2013, 01:37:04 PM
Amen to that.
They do the formations of the Unsullied well I thought. I do like the use of Indian style faceguards on the Unsullied though - so much so I am seriously considering ways of modelling them for my troops...
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: OSHIROmodels on June 04, 2013, 06:47:50 PM
I think you might have to start putting whereabouts in the story you're posting from in the thread title as I just had a couple of little spoilers  lol

cheers

James
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on June 05, 2013, 09:59:23 AM
ooopsie daisy jimbibbly - sorry about that! Having read all the books it is sometimes hard to keep track of what details are 'out there' atm and what hasn't yet been 'revealed'!
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: max on June 05, 2013, 11:39:38 AM
I agree too. In the first season there are two battles at the end, but in the series you don't see them. Shame i thought  :(
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on June 05, 2013, 01:38:33 PM
They made up for it in season 2 definitely towards the end, but for money reasons could not stage the battles they wanted in S1, and some of the things I was looking forward to seeing from A Storm of Swords seem not to have made the cut in season 3 presumably for the same reasons...
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Wilkins on June 05, 2013, 02:14:24 PM
Blackwater was an epic disappointment from a battle point of view. So much more was made of it in the books! Enjoyed the Wedding though  lol
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Jevenkah on June 05, 2013, 06:07:21 PM
:-* :-* FREE of Spoilers :-* :-*

How are the figures coming along?

I was curious, do you convert whatever is up on the board first and then paint, or do them in units? You have such great work on each piece's detail. I'm interested in how you do larger quantities from start to finish.

Thanks!
Jevenkah
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on June 06, 2013, 08:54:41 AM
I tend to do batches of figures and when I have sufficient figures to make up 'units' sort out how I want to paint them. I do divorce the assembly/sculpting side from the painting and basing, largely because I have more opportunity to tinker at work in lunchtimes, but less opportunity to sit down for longer painting sessions. I have a large number part painted as I experiment on liveries to give some sense of how they are going to be organised. The remainder are sorted into 'jobs' - extra sculpting with green-stuff needed, basing to do, that sort of thing. If I do paint I tend to batch paint the basic colours, flesh tones, metal armour etc. on large numbers of figures to start them off.
ATM though GOT is on hold while I'm approx 80 figures into my 150 figure EM4 orcs challenge which for the large part is a converting/assembly/sculpting job...
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on December 02, 2013, 12:24:20 PM
I have started to revisit this project after a lengthy pause -

I've been planning who is going to be what in the grand scheme of things. I'm hoping to field 4-6 factions per side with each main house represented by 6 archers, 6 swd/shd or bill, 6 pike and a standard bearer, musician and one or two leaders/characters. In addition the Lannisters have 6 crossbowmen. Important garrison troops will also have some crossbowmen.
I'm trying to establish which factions participated (on one side or another!) in the various battles and campaigns during the War of the Five Kings. I want ideally Northern bannermen who fight both Ironborn and Lannisters. The Northerners have a higher proportion of pike and spear to bill, and have more fur, and I am trying to establish which minor houses are likely to field specialist contingents - Reed for example will provide a small unit of archers only...

So far, Lannisters, Freys and Tullys are starting to show their true colours...
It is tricky though, since the vast majority of the Perry WOTR figures do not have the appropriate heater shields to sport the heraldry. Heraldry is mostly confined to some sort of livery colour, simplified badges/sigils for household troops and the main banners themselves.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Captain Blood on December 02, 2013, 04:30:52 PM
I have started to revisit this project after a lengthy pause -

Hurrah!  :)
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Chris Spicer on December 03, 2013, 07:47:27 PM
So glad you are revisiting.  I'm about to start a similar project and have found this thread very informative.

Here's a nice reference of the various sigils of Westeros.

http://johnjennetteart.tumblr.com/post/64126951627/houses-of-westeros-after-long-last-and-206 (http://johnjennetteart.tumblr.com/post/64126951627/houses-of-westeros-after-long-last-and-206)

Cheers,
Chris
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: LordOdo on December 11, 2013, 06:55:51 PM
This thread really inspired me! Just bought some old Brettonians from sites like E-bay, going to make a Lannister army..
Anyother guys are buisy at the moment with projects like this?
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Silent bob on December 11, 2013, 08:33:24 PM
This thread really inspired me! Just bought some old Brettonians from sites like E-bay, going to make a Lannister army..
Anyother guys are buisy at the moment with projects like this?

I'm still plugging on with my GoT collection

So far it consists of:-

Lannisters - 55 figures (inc the Mountain & retainers)
Bloody Mummers -23 figures
Northern 'alliance' - 44 figures (inc a Tully scorpion)
Brotherhood without banners - 23 figures
'Others' - 28 figures (the Hound & some sellswords, Lord Bolton, Ramsey Snow & retainers, The Kingsguard and finally a group called 'Kingslanding - Cersei, Sansa, Ilyn Payne, Ser Robert Strong and a couple of Lannister guards)

I've got to complete the basing on some figures.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: LordOdo on December 12, 2013, 02:04:57 PM
I'm still plugging on with my GoT collection

So far it consists of:-

Lannisters - 55 figures (inc the Mountain & retainers)
Bloody Mummers -23 figures
Northern 'alliance' - 44 figures (inc a Tully scorpion)
Brotherhood without banners - 23 figures
'Others' - 28 figures (the Hound & some sellswords, Lord Bolton, Ramsey Snow & retainers, The Kingsguard and finally a group called 'Kingslanding - Cersei, Sansa, Ilyn Payne, Ser Robert Strong and a couple of Lannister guards)

I've got to complete the basing on some figures.


Coool! You got some pictures?

EDIT: Saw the pics on your Fb.. Yours are really great! Hope I'll get mine as cool as yours!
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: commissarmoody on December 12, 2013, 03:16:11 PM
Good to see that the project yet still lives. Looking forward to seeing more of your work
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Silent bob on December 12, 2013, 07:31:31 PM
Coool! You got some pictures?

EDIT: Saw the pics on your Fb.. Yours are really great! Hope I'll get mine as cool as yours!

Thanks!!!

I've got to finish the basing before getting out my 'Box Brownie' - the project has moved on since I put the photos on Facebook......strange as it sounds in this age of digital cameras - i find photographing figures really time consuming and difficult

Hopefully I'll get the basing finished and photos done over Christmas.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on December 16, 2013, 01:02:09 PM
I'm gradually converting bare plastic to paint, so far nearing completion are;-
1 Giant
6 Others
20 White Walkers
12 Night's Watch
12 Thenn
12 Wildlings
30 Unsullied
12 Astapori archers
40 Ironborn
28 Lannisters, including Tyrion, Bronn, Jaime and a foot knight/Captain
20 Frey
20 Starks
20 Tullys
20 Boltons
12 Karstarks

And looking like some strange Antony Gormley sculpture approx 90 more Perry WOTR torsos awaiting heads and arms etc. I'm going to use these 'out of the box' with minimal conversions to represent troops from the Riverlands and the Westerlands.

In the New Year am considering converting some Gripping Beast Dark Ages plastics into more Wildlings, Hill tribes and Northern Bannermen...

Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: LordOdo on December 16, 2013, 01:24:41 PM
Great! I'm currently working on a small Lannister Army; 17 bowmen, and a knight on horse.
After that I'll try Vargo Hoat and the bloody mummers, and Beric Dondarrion and his men.. and all the direwolves
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on December 16, 2013, 02:33:13 PM
I'm with you Silent bob - my latest digital camera is either s**te or I'm getting so long in the tooth that I'm getting camera shake without realising it! I can't seem to get a decent image in focus! aaarrrggghhh!
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Hupp n at em on April 07, 2014, 05:49:15 AM
A bit late to the party but Vargo looks great!
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on January 25, 2016, 04:04:07 PM
After a very, very lengthy interregnum imposed by the need to clear my late father's house, I'm finally getting back into the swing of things.

Since the Perry WoTR and other figures I've used are Post heater shield, the opportunities to show house affiliation are somewhat limited in 25mm. I'd opted to create a pool of generic infantry types, in common colours, based along the generally agreed principles i.e. Northern bannermen had more pike, longer hair and thicker clothing, more boring colurs choices etc. while the richer south and specific houses like the Lannisters could afford the best and latest kit. etc.

Before the break I had started to convert suitable foot captains with heater shields which sported the house sigils. I now have boxes of Fireforge Teutonic, Templar and Foot Sergeants that I'd planned to convert into foot captains leading the various contingents, with the residue drafted into the Night's Watch all of whom seem to sport more shields.

I'm trying to field a number of smaller sub-groups that I can combine to represent the various factions from the War of the Five Kings, the Ironborn invasion and potential set-to Battles like the Battle of the Fords etc. using a simple mini campaign system along the lines of DBA/DBM.

e.g. House Tully, with Bracken, Vance and Mallister;
House Frey, with Haigh, Erenford and Charlton;
House Stark, with Cassel, Cerwyn and Mullen;
House Lannister, with Clegane, Marbrand and Crakehall;
as well as a number of other affiliated houses that feature in the books

Have any of you other GoT'ers out there had similar ideas/thoughts? This is a familiar conundrum to representing multi company formations in other periods like Medieval and ECW using a limited number of models.
I'm having great trouble squaring up my desire to represent a number of minor houses within factions along feudal lines, while still ending up with functional units that work on the battlefield. I want to game large skirmish/small battles, but as yet don't have a system in mind. I see other gamers using unit sizes around 8 strong, but I don't want to generate dozens of such units...

I'm currently working on the premise that each minor house fields 1 mounted and 1 Foot captain, 2 MAA and 4 Archers. The Major house might field as part of its levy a CO on horseback, mounted squire, banner, musician and small units of Mercs/specialists. Some minor houses (e.g. like Reed) may provide a single unit entirely of archers. Lannister may also for example have a unit of paid mercenary crossbowmen.
I'm struggling with whether to include the captains and banners in the 'levy' of simply add them for command and control purposes and visual effect. This also only achieves a 1:1 MAA : archer ratio.

My aim is that an alliance of 3 or 4 such factions should combine to generate a couple of 'battles' of archers, a 'battle' of MAA and a 'battle' of mounted knights along traditional medieval lines.

I see some of you creating excellent Houses with entire units of figures, but I also find myself very taken with the smaller groups along skirmish lines as used by some of you WoTRers out there.

Any suggestions/ideas before I start kit-bashing? :?
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Mr.J on January 25, 2016, 04:54:27 PM
That sounds very cool. I'm glad to see this thread is back again as I followed it avidly before.

Have you looked at Lion / Dragon Rampant as rules? They work really well for simple and fun skirmish and large scale skirmish games. The units are usually between 6-12 figures and using Dragon Rampant you can add heroes and creatures (White Walkers, giants, dragons etc.) should you wish. As it's a unit based game you could always paint the separate units with the various House colours and sigils and use them in the same army. Most people base the minis individually but multi-basing works well too.

If you are doing generic colours for the infantry you could also use bannerman with changeable standards too to add more flexibility.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Captain Blood on January 26, 2016, 10:17:50 AM
Glad to see you are back on this excellent project :)

Must confess I'm sticking to just the major houses - so far, I can't summon up much interest in lots of contingents from multiple minor houses. But that's probably because I haven't really built up my Starks, Lannisters and Boltons to a decent scale yet.

I think I will try Lion Rampant for GoT, or homemade rules.

I'm awaiting the imminent Perry French HYW set as the basis for building a load more Lannisters. I think they'll work for that.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on January 26, 2016, 11:26:58 AM
I kinda like the mix of shield blazons that you get with larger historically based medieval armies. So many of the fantasy medievals look too uniform but that's usually because they are representing small retinues or bands for skirmish based games and the liveried troops do look awesome.
I've got the HYW English which I plan to build as extra archers and cull the bits for various conversions.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: LordOdo on January 26, 2016, 12:42:44 PM
Great to see you back, had a quick read back in your thread, and I'm really curious to your Tyrion, Jaime and Bronn! Are those painted yet?

I'm myself going to do like 20 men for each of the major houses, and between 5 and 10 men for the smaller ones.

For rules I think I'll make some myself.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on January 26, 2016, 02:29:21 PM
I'm thinking along the lines of about 8 per minor house and possibly 12-16 for the major houses, since they will have extra revenue and are liable to afford a personal retinue of MAA and Mercs like crossbowmen.
The average faction will comprise about 4 houses, 3 minor and 1 major. Larger Battles will comprise anything up to 4 such factions per side.
Most of my troops have a lick of paint on them, but as I build more I tend to chop and change. Since I don't yet have a gaming system and am assembling/collecting forces, I want to focus on building up  a single faction first. With so much conversion work too, I find you tend to need several boxes of stuff to mash up/convert.
The Lannisters being the richest house and in one of the more densely populated areas of Westeros can afford to field lots of troops so I'm leaving them until last. Otherwise there is a tendency to make them uberpowerful. Needless to say Jaime, Bronn and Tyrion are amongst the ranks of unfinished.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Charlie_ on January 26, 2016, 06:54:10 PM
Have any of you other GoT'ers out there had similar ideas/thoughts?

Yes. I have  :)

My thread is over here on the medieval forum - http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=81825.0
The thread itself is a bit dormant right now, but that's just because I've stopped posting up every single model I paint. I'm still hard at work painting, I plan the next post to be a big one with a whole army and scenery!

I'm raising forces exclusively from the Riverlands, so that's Tully and many vassal houses such as Bracken, Blackwood, Mallister, Vance, Frey, Goodbrook, Charlton, Piper, Mooton.... This serves a dual purpose. It can be displayed as one big united Riverlands army.... or the different factions can be set against each other during times when the Riverlords warred against eachother. For example, during Robert's Rebellion many of the Riverlords chose to stay loyal to the crown, and Hoster Tully had to defeat these houses in battle before he could join the proper war.
In the distant future I plan to bring in houses from the Westerlands, Vale, Crownlands, Stormlands, Reach and the North... But that is far in the future.

Anyway, how to represent all these different houses in miniature? I'm doing it basically through flags. Most of my models I am painting in 'neutral' colours, browns and greys, with flashes of random red, blue, green and other colours.... And each house gets a a few standard bearers and some models in livery colours. So for example, right now I have a large unit of Bracken billmen. But just by swapping out the standard bearer and a few others, it becomes a unit of Goodbrook billmen!
The important houses will have more liveried troops. So I have a big unit of Tully archers and bills, all in blue and red. Obviously these units can't really be re-aligned to another house, but as its obviously the most important house it will see a lot of action.

My current plan of action is to paint up masses of 'neutral' troops, mostly archers and bills, and once I've got a real horde of them, I can have fun painting up more flags and liveried command groups. I have lots of great commander figures patiently awaiting the paintbrush, I'm particularly pleased with my Jason Mallister.....

Do you use paper flags? If so, I've put together a few I'm very pleased with. If you want to use the them let me know, I can send them to you to print out!

(http://i.imgur.com/M2LOxr7.jpg)
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Philhelm on January 26, 2016, 07:59:12 PM
I'm looking forward to the paint brushes finding Dragonstone, and a King who still cared.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on January 27, 2016, 08:37:02 AM
In order to field as many factions as I'd like I'm having to make a shedload of standard bearers and Foot Captains, hence the Fireforge troops. All my flags are paper and hand painted, largely using the ASOIAF Wiki as a reference, rather than taking cues from the GoT shows. Having second thoughts though about adopting the more rigid buckram reinforced banners of the WoTR period rather than the more archaic versions I'm using. It seems to suit the Northerners better though. This is about as close as I've come so far. Some w.i.p. Stark and Karstark bannermen converted from GW Rohirrim;
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG0937_zpsd6c00d8d.jpg~original)
I've just noticed the axeman in the background will need his wrist repositioning to be anatomically accurate ::)
And some recently converted Perry WoTR and Gripping Beast conversions under the Bolton banner
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG0941_zpsd9e4bbde.jpg~original)
And a new host comes off the production line with a Tully flag to try out the new standard bearer figures made from adapting the Perry Mercenaries with GB arms and Warlord hands
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG1043_zps9f690df5.jpg~original)
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: TikiCoast on January 27, 2016, 08:46:50 AM
Nice.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Silent Invader on January 27, 2016, 08:48:35 AM
Looking great: The hand painted banners are especially impressive!  8)
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on January 28, 2016, 08:37:15 AM
I had a rummage thru my w.i.p. boxes and amongst the 2 boxes worth of unpainted WoTRs still to do  :-[ :'( I did come across some standard bearers and commanders I'd made a start on. I have a fair representation of the major Northern bannermen. I'm going to have to seriously select suitable candidates for standard bearers among the many pike I've already assembled in order to achieve the degree of flexibility both Charlie and I are looking for in our Westerosi war hosts.
This seriously bad photo gives a taste of progress to date as well as highlighting how s**te my camera is...
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG1728_zpsdfp5aewv.jpg~original)
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: LordOdo on January 28, 2016, 08:46:58 AM
Sweet! I recognise them all, but the one inbetween the Karstark and Stark guys
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on January 28, 2016, 09:07:14 AM
That would be the giant in chains - aka Umber. I created a part yeti/part wildman to blend in with my own giant...
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG0891.jpg~original)
Apologies once again for the crappy photo guys. Just when I think my camera can't get worse it raises naffness to a whole new level. I think next time I'll get out my sketch book instead!
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Captain Blood on January 28, 2016, 12:41:45 PM
I do sometimes wonder a little at some of the representation of banners, heralry and 'sigils' of the minor houses.
I think there are a lot out there which are not based on any description in GRRM's books, but pure invention by people putting content on ASOIAF resource sites like the 'A wiki of Ice and Fire'.
Are these ones (pictured above) your own invention, sukhe_bator, or are they drawn from other sources? (Not criticising - just wondering! :))
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Mr.J on January 28, 2016, 01:20:12 PM
I've just spent my lunch break refreshing my memory by looking back through this thread and I have to say it is bloody brilliant!

I know you are working on your warriors at the moment but have you any more images of your buildings and terrain?
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on January 28, 2016, 01:56:47 PM
I've been out of it for so long Mr J and my mojo has taken a thorough hammering this last year.
With so much of my father's stuff in the house to sort through I'm really pushed for space. No further building progress has been made. I have made a conscious design choice that ASOIAF scenery should be reusable in my LoTR gaming.
I have made a start on designing some Westerosi stone and timber houses based on European chalet style bastles with a Russian timber look after scanning the 'art of' books of the Hobbit films. The conceptual art by John Howe et al is seriously good and they do their homework. I'm tinkering with wooden shingles and roofs with a view to doing a C15 inspired Inn with stables.

ATM though I'm doing a serious overhaul of my GoT figures with a view to knuckling down and painting... maybe soon  :? ::)

 
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Hupp n at em on January 28, 2016, 03:41:04 PM
I do sometimes wonder a little at some of the representation of banners, heralry and 'sigils' of the minor houses.
I think there are a lot out there which are not based on any description in GRRM's books, but pure invention by people putting content on ASOIAF resource sites like the 'A wiki of Ice and Fire'.
Are these ones (pictured above) your own invention, sukhe_bator, or are they drawn from other sources? (Not criticising - just wondering! :))

They generally say whether they are taken from a certain source or purely conjecture on the wiki articles. "Lots of cloaks and banners" seems to be GRRM's preferred aesthetic though, so he does describe quite a few in books. If memory serves, some of the sources listed are even different appearances he has made at Cons and the like, I would guess from some obsessive fan asking about their favorite minor-house minor character.  lol
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Charlie_ on January 28, 2016, 05:47:16 PM
Yes, the books do mention the sigils quite a lot. There are a lot of scenes when characters are 'banner spotting' at a tournament, army camp or such.... Lots of "he saw the silver eagle of House Mallister, the blue towers of House Frey and the weirdwood of House Blackwood", and such things....

On a side note, a lot of the heraldry GRRM mentions actually sounds seriously ugly!!! Why are so many of them BROWN? Crakehall is a brindled boar on a BROWN field.... Darry is a black plowman on a BROWN field.... etc.... It's a tricky colour to get to look good! Black on brown... seriously????

 :)
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: commissarmoody on January 29, 2016, 07:00:58 AM
And this is why I am thinking of doing House Manderly for some Hornwood war action.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on February 01, 2016, 09:04:27 AM
I have used some of the ASOIAF Wiki ideas for the banners, but since I tend to draw and paint my own banners they will inevitably be my own take on them. However like all my LoTR modelling I have also referred to the books for the sigils, and appearance of the troops - like the Frey troops in silver grey cloaks and blued steel mail.
The quite obvious use of American and more exotic fauna such as moose, lizard-lions (alligators) and the manticore (scorpion) in heraldry is a giveaway to the author's origins. I agree GRRM's heraldry is a little kookie at times, but we must also bear in mind a) its a Fantasy epic tale, b) there's the popularist blending of livery badges and banners and Martin uses popular terms rather than heraldic ones for the tinctures. He does combine colours that would make a herald cringe, but a lot of medieval heraldic terms are more than simple plays on words. They feature odd emblems and extinct tools that would be familiar in a medieval context but difficult to explain in a novel. Some emblems also became popular at different times - like Louis XII's use of the porcupine - which only came about after descriptions of such animals were brought back by explorers to the New World. If you want to have fun you need only look at how medieval carpenters, sculptors and manuscript illuminators have depicted exotic animals like giraffe and elephant based on descriptions in medieval bestiaries.
There are also some cringeworthy fantasy twists - I personally can't imagine Roose Bolton wearing a pink woolen cloak embroidered with red spots of blood, or Victarion Greyjoy wearing a lobed cloak like the tentacles of a Kraken. Hey ho - that's just me.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Charlie_ on February 01, 2016, 05:29:05 PM
In regards to House Bolton, I actually really like the idea of their pink being a really light, faded sort of pink. Certainly not shocking pink though!
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Captain Blood on February 01, 2016, 07:45:13 PM
There are also some cringeworthy fantasy twists - I personally can't imagine Roose Bolton wearing a pink woolen cloak embroidered with red spots of blood, or Victarion Greyjoy wearing a lobed cloak like the tentacles of a Kraken. Hey ho - that's just me.

Yep. I am painting some more Boltons right now, and I can tell you that a red device upon a pink field is as rubbish a recipe for heraldry as you can ever imagine (unless he comes up with a white cat in a snowstorm in books 6 and 7... )
 ;)
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Hupp n at em on February 01, 2016, 09:38:17 PM
Yep. I am painting some more Boltons right now, and I can tell you that a red device upon a pink field is as rubbish a recipe for heraldry as you can ever imagine (unless he comes up with a white cat in a snowstorm in books 6 and 7... )
 ;)

Do you mean it is hard to pull off in miniature form? Or that it is an impossible combo according to the rules of historical heraldry? Admittedly been a while since I oggled your Boltons.  ;D
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Captain Blood on February 01, 2016, 10:29:00 PM
I just mean it's hard to make out because there is so little contrast between red and pink - which is why it would never be used in real heraldry.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Dilettante Gamer on February 02, 2016, 05:12:36 AM
I just mean it's hard to make out because there is so little contrast between red and pink - which is why it would never be used in real heraldry.

Total violation of heraldic principles for the practical reason cited. Still, it is fantasy, not a recreation.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Dilettante Gamer on February 02, 2016, 05:16:44 AM
I've been out of it for so long Mr J and my mojo has taken a thorough hammering this last year.
With so much of my father's stuff in the house to sort through I'm really pushed for space. No further building progress has been made. I have made a conscious design choice that ASOIAF scenery should be reusable in my LoTR gaming.
I have made a start on designing some Westerosi stone and timber houses based on European chalet style bastles with a Russian timber look after scanning the 'art of' books of the Hobbit films. The conceptual art by John Howe et al is seriously good and they do their homework. I'm tinkering with wooden shingles and roofs with a view to doing a C15 inspired Inn with stables.

ATM though I'm doing a serious overhaul of my GoT figures with a view to knuckling down and painting... maybe soon  :? ::)

SB - I can identify thoroughly with this post. So much RL intruded shortly after I started my Dux Westerosum/Stag & Lion Rampant project that it's been a long crawl to get my mojo back. But it's building - focused on terrain to get going. I'll post here and reanimate my blog to reinforce my nascent momentum.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Hupp n at em on February 02, 2016, 05:40:52 AM
SB - I can identify thoroughly with this post. So much RL intruded shortly after I started my Dux Westerosum/Stag & Lion Rampant project that it's been a long crawl to get my mojo back. But it's building - focused on terrain to get going. I'll post here and reanimate my blog to reinforce my nascent momentum.

Please do! I'd love to see what you've done.  :)

 
I just mean it's hard to make out because there is so little contrast between red and pink - which is why it would never be used in real heraldry.
Total violation of heraldic principles for the practical reason cited. Still, it is fantasy, not a recreation.
Okay yeah, and seeing you say that, I imagine that will go doubly for myself as I am not even sniffing your level of painting anytime soon.  Makes me think doing the TV show Bolton colors might be a wise choice...
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on February 02, 2016, 09:19:00 AM
Well, my mojo is returning slowly, thanks in no small part to the support and encouragement of you guys out there. Thankfully I have a good number of figures with at least a lick of paint on them so I'm rejigging the numbers and concentrating on painting them, one house at a time. Dillettante Gamer, I'm finding I dissipated my previous enthusiasm by thinking on too large a scale. Focussing on smaller achievable projects is definitely the key...

I now have a core Riverlands warband assembled on my desk atm (one major house and 3 affiliated houses). In this case House Tully, Bracken, Vance and Mallister. I have opted for a basic block of 4 archers and 4 MAA (bill or pike) per house, with a bannerman and foot captain each. Since captains and standards are primarily for effect I may cost them separately and use them for command and control depending on the rules... I am tempted by reports of Lion/Dragon Rampant. 
Each warband will have in addition a musician in overlord colours (in this case Tully), any associated personalities, Brynden 'Blackfish' for example, and at least 1 mounted knight per house. To this I can add further houses, Mercs, sellswords as I so desire.

This should give each core warband a smallish unit of horse, and at least one 'battle' or ward of MAA and two flanking battles of archers. All in each core warband will be approx. 50 figures strong. If I have any figures left over at the end I may increase the proportion of archers.

I'm going to have to do some serious recruiting among the Westerlands in order for House Lannister et al not to be overwhelmed - In all the equivalent of 2 or more Lannister 'armies'. I can increase the unit sizes slightly, add more mercs and crossbowmen but would really like to include more Westerling houses. More research will be required.

As for Ser Roose's costumary, I may experiment, but I think Charlie is onto something. I may follow the good Captain and experiment with a pale pink and possibly ruby red for 'blood' in stylised droplets...

Hupp n at em -  Heraldry 101 is the rule that applies to tinctures;
metal should not be put on metal, nor colour on colour. This means that Or and argent (gold and silver, which are represented by yellow and white) may not be placed on each other. There are however notable exceptions like the Kingdom of Jerusalem which is gold crosses on silver but gets away with it because of it's special significance.
Nor may any of the colours i.e. azure, gules, sable, vert and purpure (blue, red, black, green and purple) be placed on another colour.
Heraldic furs (i.e. ermine, vair and their variants) as well as "proper" (a charge coloured as it normally is in nature e.g. like a white horse) are exceptions to the rule of tincture. GRRM's Crakehall 'brindled boar on brown' does not seem too far fetched, though personally I plan to make the boar darker brown with paler flecks and replace brown with tawny (an orangy tan colour).

I kinda like some of the apocryphal backstories behind historical heraldry - My favourite being that of Aragon. Ramón Berenguer, Count of Barcelona, supposedly wiped his fingers down his yellow shield after a particularly bloody battle fighting the moors and thereafter it became "Or with five pales Gules" – gold with five red stripes. It has a kinda ring of truth to it. After all, the adoption of furs was supposedly after the practice of tacking pelt strips to shields to differentiate between close relations in a particular family.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Charlie_ on February 02, 2016, 03:37:29 PM
GRRM's Crakehall 'brindled boar on brown' does not seem too far fetched, though personally I plan to make the boar darker brown with paler flecks and replace brown with tawny (an orangy tan colour).

Yes, they can easily be adapted to look better. Having a light brown or tawny will work wonders, you are right.
A lot of the ones you see on AWoIaF pages haven't been done that well, I feel. The colours are all too vivid and clash horribly. But just be toning down the colours, making some of them paler, they can work wonderfully. For example, House Frey is two blue towers on grey, and whenever I see it both the blue and grey seem quite dark, and it appears quite murky. I think having a dark blue on a very light grey would look great though!!
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on February 02, 2016, 04:03:04 PM
I get where you're coming from Charlie. I have a copy of the Oxford encyclopedia of heraldry which has some reproductions of early armorials. Copying the charges and blazons etc can give a wonderfully medieval feel to the shields...

And colour modification is precisely what I've gone for with my House Frey. The only snag is having applied a peat brown ink for lowlights and shading I'm going to have to reconstruct the nice pale grey I experimented with and perfected all over again! ::)
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Hupp n at em on February 02, 2016, 05:21:36 PM
Yes, they can easily be adapted to look better. Having a light brown or tawny will work wonders, you are right.
A lot of the ones you see on AWoIaF pages haven't been done that well, I feel. The colours are all too vivid and clash horribly. But just be toning down the colours, making some of them paler, they can work wonderfully. For example, House Frey is two blue towers on grey, and whenever I see it both the blue and grey seem quite dark, and it appears quite murky. I think having a dark blue on a very light grey would look great though!!

Yeah I had similar thoughts on the Crakehalls, as there is no way they are getting left out of my Lannister army.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Dilettante Gamer on February 02, 2016, 08:23:31 PM
After a very, very lengthy interregnum imposed by the need to clear my late father's house, I'm finally getting back into the swing of things.
...
Have any of you other GoT'ers out there had similar ideas/thoughts? This is a familiar conundrum to representing multi company formations in other periods like Medieval and ECW using a limited number of models.
I'm having great trouble squaring up my desire to represent a number of minor houses within factions along feudal lines, while still ending up with functional units that work on the battlefield. I want to game large skirmish/small battles, but as yet don't have a system in mind. I see other gamers using unit sizes around 8 strong, but I don't want to generate dozens of such units...


SB - I have some preliminary thoughts but have not yet reached clarity on similar questions. Perhaps we can help each other figure out what's workable as we both pull the cobwebs off of our escapist hobby aspirations.

Context - My evolution:

  > When I started this 3 years ago, I was inspired by Frank Becker's Stark/Lannister factions for modified SAGA (Tactica). But I've never warmed to
     the SAGA battle boards.  Somehow feels to gimmicky. Don't get me wrong. FANTASTIC pick up game. But "gamey".

  > Then I fell in love with the TFL Dux Britanniarum rules - particularly the mechanics of linked raids and growing forces building into battles, that
      there are stakes outside of any one particular game.  I thought this would work for a Greyjoy / Stark or Lannister combo.

  > Then came Lion Rampant, now Dragon Rampant which allowed me to configure retinues based on what I conceive as the characteristics of each 
      house. I have retinues for Lannister, Stark, Greyjoy completed, with Tully and Arryn (for a friend who fancies that do-nothing house) in the works.

  > Right now, my retinues are all one house and not their bannermen - though I do want to include that variety.

Some thoughts on this:

  > Stay with Lion Rampant as a skirmish game, and larger, multi-player (viz Dalaupproar) but then combine retinues into two larger forces - using
     movement tray/sabots - and use another rules set (Medieval Warfare? Hail Caesar? Sword & Spear?) for massed battles.

  > With LR, commanders don't do much and banners are just for show.  In a larger game, I'd use rules for organizing into "battles" a la WotR with
      major house leading the center (main) battle - e.g. Rob Stark and key lieutenants leading the van and the rear battles - e.g. Rickard Karstark and
      Greatjon Umber

  > Keep the mounted elites, and possibly one of the foot sergeants in the major house colors and have each of the other units represent the
      bannermen houses I think appropriate or I fancy representing.

  >  Just leave the current retinues as major houses and build additional retinues or partial retinues to play larger points games of LR.

That's what I have for now. More thoughts later perhaps.

PS - My ambitions far exceed the hobby time I've been committing. But a guy can dream...
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Charlie_ on February 02, 2016, 08:39:15 PM
Yeah I had similar thoughts on the Crakehalls, as there is no way they are getting left out of my Lannister army.

Agreed. When (if) I eventually expand beyond the Riverlands, the two Westerlands houses I'm definitely going to do are Crakehall and Brax. House Brax doesn't really do that much in the books, but the name Ser Flement Brax just sounds awesome to me, and they have nice heraldry. Purple unicorn on silver.

Ah, but look at this.
http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/House_Brax
An AWoIaF they have interpreted silver as grey. But unless I'm mistaken, 'silver' in actual medieval heraldry was white.... A purple unicorn on a white field looks MUCH better, and that's what I'll be doing for sure.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: commissarmoody on February 02, 2016, 09:04:31 PM
Make it so!  :D
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Hupp n at em on February 02, 2016, 09:23:24 PM
Agreed. When (if) I eventually expand beyond the Riverlands, the two Westerlands houses I'm definitely going to do are Crakehall and Brax. House Brax doesn't really do that much in the books, but the name Ser Flement Brax just sounds awesome to me, and they have nice heraldry. Purple unicorn on silver.

Ah, but look at this.
http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/House_Brax
An AWoIaF they have interpreted silver as grey. But unless I'm mistaken, 'silver' in actual medieval heraldry was white.... A purple unicorn on a white field looks MUCH better, and that's what I'll be doing for sure.

Oooh, I like the purple on white idea much more.  For me, I definitely have to represent House Marbrand, as Ser Addam strikes me as a Westerlands leader in the same vein as Kevan Lannister: professional, and well liked by both his subordinates and superiors. Plus their blazon is pretty cool:
http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/House_Marbrand (http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/House_Marbrand)
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Charlie_ on February 02, 2016, 10:03:29 PM
For me, I definitely have to represent House Marbrand, as Ser Addam strikes me as a Westerlands leader in the same vein as Kevan Lannister: professional, and well liked by both his subordinates and superiors. Plus their blazon is pretty cool:
http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/House_Marbrand (http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/House_Marbrand)

Absolutely, except I think his heraldry is one of those weird ugly ones!!!
But perhaps you could make it look good. Very dark grey, almost charcoal perhaps?
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Captain Blood on February 02, 2016, 10:22:12 PM
I definitely have to represent House Marbrand, as Ser Addam strikes me as a Westerlands leader in the same vein as Kevan Lannister: professional, and well liked by both his subordinates and superiors. Plus their blazon is pretty cool:
http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/House_Marbrand (http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/House_Marbrand)

You see, this is what worries me about the whole area of ASOIAF heraldry...
That AWOIAF entry on House Marbrand quotes just one verifiable reference from A Game of Thrones, where the sigil is described. Then it cites two other references from 'The Citadel' and 'semi-canon' sources.
Follow the links to 'The Citadel' - and that's just another fan site with entries on the heraldry of several dozen different houses.
But most of these are unattributed. In other words they are not shown as being based on descriptions by Martin in any of the books.
So does this mean some nerds are just sitting in their bedrooms making them up, and then putting them out there as 'official'?
And what are 'semi-canon' sources? Surely something's either in the books or it's not?

I have an inescapable feeling that there are people out there making half this stuff up, which other people (like us) are taking at face value as primary source material - when it isn't :?
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Charlie_ on February 02, 2016, 10:40:59 PM
And what are 'semi-canon' sources? Surely something's either in the books or it's not?

I've a feeling some of these semi-canon sources might be from a board game of some kind, an 'official' GRRM-approved one. But I might be wrong.

I have a copy of The World Of Ice And Fire, which is fantastic and well worth buying, and it does have artwork of lots of houses from each region. This is the book that was written by GRRM and his #1 superfans / assistants Elio Garcia and Linda Antonsson. If there is anything in it he didn't write himself, it was from those two and he most certainly approved of it.
The heraldry in it does look much better than the wiki page ones. From the houses we have just been discussing, Marbrand looks more like a burning tree against a background that sort of fades from black to white, and the brindled-boar-on-brown of Crakehall looks acceptable.

EDIT - See, here is Marbrand from first AWOIAF, then the official World Of Ice And Fire book. Judge for yourself.
(http://awoiaf.westeros.org/images/thumb/9/98/Marbrand.png/250px-Marbrand.png) (http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/b808cc418528cd70c9454fa0de1ba090.jpg)
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Hupp n at em on February 03, 2016, 02:07:06 PM
I've a feeling some of these semi-canon sources might be from a board game of some kind, an 'official' GRRM-approved one. But I might be wrong.

I have a copy of The World Of Ice And Fire, which is fantastic and well worth buying, and it does have artwork of lots of houses from each region. This is the book that was written by GRRM and his #1 superfans / assistants Elio Garcia and Linda Antonsson. If there is anything in it he didn't write himself, it was from those two and he most certainly approved of it.
The heraldry in it does look much better than the wiki page ones. From the houses we have just been discussing, Marbrand looks more like a burning tree against a background that sort of fades from black to white, and the brindled-boar-on-brown of Crakehall looks acceptable.

EDIT - See, here is Marbrand from first AWOIAF, then the official World Of Ice And Fire book. Judge for yourself.
(http://awoiaf.westeros.org/images/thumb/9/98/Marbrand.png/250px-Marbrand.png) (http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/b808cc418528cd70c9454fa0de1ba090.jpg)

Yeah, I was in no way planning on emulating that horrible wiki picture, it looks much better in my head. Though I really doubt I can paint that aWOIaF example.  lol
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Hammers on February 05, 2016, 09:04:04 AM
I've a feeling some of these semi-canon sources might be from a board game of some kind, an 'official' GRRM-approved one. But I might be wrong.

I have a copy of The World Of Ice And Fire, which is fantastic and well worth buying, and it does have artwork of lots of houses from each region. This is the book that was written by GRRM and his #1 superfans / assistants Elio Garcia and Linda Antonsson. If there is anything in it he didn't write himself, it was from those two and he most certainly approved of it.
The heraldry in it does look much better than the wiki page ones. From the houses we have just been discussing, Marbrand looks more like a burning tree against a background that sort of fades from black to white, and the brindled-boar-on-brown of Crakehall looks acceptable.

EDIT - See, here is Marbrand from first AWOIAF, then the official World Of Ice And Fire book. Judge for yourself.
(http://awoiaf.westeros.org/images/thumb/9/98/Marbrand.png/250px-Marbrand.png) (http://static.tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pub/images/b808cc418528cd70c9454fa0de1ba090.jpg)

From a heraldic perspective the image to the left is much more in accordance with formal rules in our world than the one to the right. But maybe that's your point. Alos, if I remember correctly, orange is not a heraldic colour. I think it sorts under gules, just like pink. But that seems to be the case with many GoT heraldry, which uses turquoise, browns and other tinctures quite freely.
 
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on February 05, 2016, 10:41:30 AM
A very rough and ready photo of one of my converted GW Rohirrim/Perry miniatures mashups. A Bracken captain before highlighting and detailing coming off the production line. Despite my best efforts to max out the settings on my camera it is still pretty mediocre I'm afraid...
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG1731_zpsg2f2a2sz.jpg~original)
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Charlie_ on February 05, 2016, 12:20:23 PM
Oh wow, very nice, I like that a lot!

How do you feel the LOTR range matches up with the Perry range in terms of scale?
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Captain Blood on February 05, 2016, 12:51:40 PM
Works well - a nice looking character (in a sinister way)  :)
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on February 05, 2016, 12:54:34 PM
Praise indeed Cpt! Yeah - I know there's still a lot of painting work to do...
Charlie. I reckon they are pretty comparable. I've been experimenting with some success mounting Perry horse armour panels on GW Rohan horses and doing head swaps of horses - though the Perry WoTR horses have a slightly heavier build more akin to heavy hunter types than the more slender Rohirrim ones.
Other more straightforward cavalry mashups I've posted before...
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG1040_zpscfe1933b.jpg~original)
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on February 05, 2016, 01:58:43 PM
House Bracken emerging from the plastic... still WIP but now a recognisable faction
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG1736_zpsvlwficyj.jpg~original)
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: tyrionhalfman on February 05, 2016, 06:20:03 PM
He looks great. Thanks for sharing
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Devoted of Slaanesh on February 05, 2016, 09:32:57 PM
Very nice mate!
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on February 08, 2016, 08:54:32 AM
Reading these posts I agree that we sometimes take the refs we base our modelling decisions on too much at face value. So I took some time out at the weekend to review the original source material for the sigils and banners. Its amazing what you can glean by simply poring through the books again - as my extremely battered paperback copy of Lord of the Rings can also testify. 

It has changed my thinking slightly about how I might represent the lesser houses of the Riverlands. Frey (notionally) being subject to House Tully, I'm assuming that the minor houses under Frey don't put in an appearance until the Red Wedding, but in GoT a Frey bannered contingent is seen at the Green Fork (GoT, p.662). This puts representing House Haigh, Erenford and Charlton on the back burner for me at least for the immediate future.

The actual refs to House Marbrand leave a lot of freedom for expression...
GoT, p.668 Ser Adam Marbrand is decribed as 'a rangy man with dark copper hair that fell to his shoulders armoured in burnished bronzed steel with the fiery tree of his house etched in black on his breastplate'.
GoT, p.660 the Marbrand sigil is described as 'a burning tree, orange and smoke'.

So far I can't find any ref to the brown bordure on the Bracken sigil
GoT, p.279 'the red stallion badge of the Brackens'

Other refs indicate that the banners were the 'floppy' kind, with lots of references to swirling and flapping, and the Northerners mostly used war horns but the Mallisters and Freys had trumpets at the Battle of Whispering Wood (GoT p.674), while the bulk of the Northern foot under Roose Bolton also had drums at the Battle of the Green Fork (GoT p.661 & 662). I hate to think what the Bolton drumskins might have been made from (eugh!)

It was a useful exercise and I now have a few more sigils to add to the list of bad guys I can use in the War of the Five Kings... you know who... 
Ser Harys Swyft, (GoT, p.660) 'the bantam rooster of Swyft'
Ser Amory Lorch, (CoK, p.420) 'a manticore'
and prisoners taken at Whispering Wood (GoT, p.674)'Lord Westerling, Lord Banefort, Ser Garth Greenfield, Lord Estren, Ser Tytos Brax'

I will be applying the same rigour to the other books in due course...
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: LordOdo on February 08, 2016, 02:49:56 PM
Maybe it might be worth to keep a database of all Wetseros heraldy here at LAF. Like with quotes from the books with it, so we know how to.
We could even put photo's next to it, once someone on here has painted that shield or flag. For inspiration.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on February 08, 2016, 03:20:09 PM
I like that idea LordOdo. We'll have to see what the other Westerosi LAF'ers think
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Dilettante Gamer on February 08, 2016, 04:12:49 PM
Second that, not just for heraldry, but all clear references that can guide (But not dictate!) our design choices.

On a related line of thinking, dovetailing with my own desires to stay motivated, I've been wondering how we might band the various GoT enthusiasts a bit closer together.  I don't have any specific thoughts on this except I don't think it's a child forum. Maybe it's a thread or series of threads by topic. Off the top of my head.

GoT Enthusiasts: Heraldry

GoT Enthusiasts: Kitbashing Households & Bannermen - Design references & Ideas

GoT Enthusiasts: Scenery

GoT Enthusiasts: Gaming Scenarios

Not sure if this helps shared focus or creates a clutter of semi-neglected threads.

Does that spark anything for you chaps?? Perhaps even better ideas. ("Leave it be." is a valid response ;). )
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Captain Blood on February 08, 2016, 07:53:44 PM
I think that's a good idea  :)

If you look on the Age of Myths, Gods and Empires (ancients) board, you'll see Mad Doc Morris, the moderator on that board, has done something very similar to list and index all gladiator related threads...
http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=57121.0

This is a model that could work for GoT-related threads?

We could ask White Knight, Fantasy Adventures board moderator, if that would be acceptable? And then have a sticky.
But... Whoever takes ownership of keeping that index thread up to date, would have to make the first post listing the current crop of threads, so that it can be edited and updated as new LAF GoT projects appear... 

It's a kind of halfway house to a full child board.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Dilettante Gamer on February 08, 2016, 08:04:42 PM
It's a kind of halfway house to a full child board.

We belong in a halfway house. lol

"Hi, my name is Wade and I admit my powerlessness over hobby projects that exceed my discretionary hobby time.  Welcome, Wade! Keep coming back."
  ;D

Just took a gander at that forum. Have a few more thoughts but want to hear from others before I spout off again. Curious what GS, TomRommel, SI, LordOdo, Sukhe_Bator, CyberAlien and others think.

Hope Sukhe doesn't mind a momentary hijacking of his thread!  ???
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Hupp n at em on February 08, 2016, 08:27:05 PM
I hope to add to the clutter of GoT project threads at some point this year.  ;)  I concur that this is a good idea.  :)
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Silent Invader on February 08, 2016, 08:35:54 PM
I think a child board for GOT is a good idea.

I'm not sure if it's being considered but the only thing I'd be against is the splitting of my own thread into mini, terrain, game etc parts, as I want to keep it as one whole project.  :)
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Hupp n at em on February 08, 2016, 08:53:53 PM
I think a child board for GOT is a good idea.

I agree, only because I think that master threads tend not to be maintained after a while, or only sporadically.  And it does seem like there are enough Westeros threads hanging around to justify it.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Charlie_ on February 08, 2016, 09:40:37 PM
Count me in.

However, I'm not sure if a full child board would be a great idea. My GoT thread is in the medieval section rather than fantasy, as I'm approaching it from a very low-fantasy angle, basically it's a historical 15th century blog with fantasy sigils. I'd like to think my project is of great interest to to anyone into the late medieval period, whether they are into fantasy and GRRM or not. If it was hidden away on a GoT board, it would potentially only be seen by GoT fans (though admittedly there are lots of us!).

Similarly, I don't really have much interest in Frostgrave, so never really go on that board, and may well be missing out on some projects I'd be really interested in regardless of what game they are for.

A sticky thread would be a great idea though, with links to all long-running GoT project threads, of which there are many. Could also be used as a general discussion thread for all things to do with wargaming in Westeros?
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Dilettante Gamer on February 08, 2016, 09:59:51 PM
However, I'm not sure if a full child board would be a great idea. My GoT thread is in the medieval section rather than fantasy, as I'm approaching it from a very low-fantasy angle, basically it's a historical 15th century blog with fantasy sigils. I'd like to think my project is of great interest to to anyone into the late medieval period, whether they are into fantasy and GRRM or not. If it was hidden away on a GoT board, it would potentially only be seen by GoT fans (though admittedly there are lots of us!)...

A sticky thread would be a great idea though, with links to all long-running GoT project threads, of which there are many. Could also be used as a general discussion thread for all things to do with wargaming in Westeros?

Charlie, thank you for this perspective. I too had my Westeros thread over in Medieval Adventures until I asked Cap'n Blood to move it here this weekend.  Like you, I'm more interested in it as low-fantasy/alternative medieval but reasoned, as Richard articulated, that as the actual story becomes more fantastic - Dragons, White Walkers, magic - the critical mass of enthusiasts might look here first.

If we had a sticky with the first post being an index or roll call of all ASoFaI related work, then the links could take them to other forums where they reside. Not only Medieval Adventures but also Workbench or who knows what all.

I'm ready to volunteer to start/help create this for the forum moderator as I'm keen to see a complete inventory of everyone's projects in one place.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Silent Invader on February 08, 2016, 11:21:26 PM
My project is, essentially, medieval with zombies!!!  :D
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: white knight on February 09, 2016, 06:03:21 AM
Sounds like a good idea. :)
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on February 09, 2016, 08:50:59 AM
Seems there's a corpus of GoT work here by enough enthusiasts to warrant a child board. I think I'm with Silent Invader that subdividing further might be counterproductive. I think even a butterfly like me might get lost between terrain, scenery, figures etc. but there might well be a case for a separate 'source material' topic. I like the idea of building up a Westerosi armorial. Perhaps one for scenarios and battle reports?
I too am also a low-fantasy gamer... more like 'Ivanhoe with Zombies' ;)
There's already some cross over between boards e.g. Colonial x Inter war x Back of Beyond x Pulp x even Railway gaming so I don't think it would necessarily hurt. We are bound to get some Medievalist tourists and vice versa. Everybody has their own favourite boards they browse at regular intervals and groupies/followers of the likes of Cap'n Blood and Jimbibbly will visit and we can rely on them to spread the word. :D
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Captain Blood on February 09, 2016, 08:59:09 AM
Sounds like a good idea. :)

Thanks WK  :)

Wade - over to you...

I think a single sticky index of all things GOT/ASOIAF-related on LAF is a good start point, and then let's see how it goes?

The problem with child boards is that there are so many different fantasy milieus and genres, that if every one had its own child board, we could end up with dozens cluttering the place up. That way madness lies... :)

Don't think it matters too much whether the GOT threads linked out to reside in Fantasy, Medieval or Workbench. We're not too rigorous about what sits where if there's reasonable room for interpretation  8)
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Charlie_ on February 09, 2016, 09:05:22 AM

The problem with child boards is that there are so many different fantasy milieus and genres, that if every one had its own child board, we could end up with dozens cluttering the place up. That way madness lies... :)

Don't think it matters too much whether the GOT threads linked out to reside in Fantasy, Medieval or Workbench. We're not too rigorous about what sits where if there's reasonable room for interpretation  8)

Exactly. If we have a GoT board, then what about a Tolkien board? A warhammer board? A sticky thread sounds much better!
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Dilettante Gamer on February 09, 2016, 03:01:19 PM
Good morning, fellow Adventurers! (Pacific Standard Time here)

"I think a single sticky index of all things GOT/ASOIAF-related on LAF is a good start point, and then let's see how it goes?

The problem with child boards is that there are so many different fantasy milieus and genres, that if every one had its own child board, we could end up with dozens cluttering the place up. That way madness lies..."


I'm on it. Prototype later today for your cheers and jeers - in it's own thread, to be "stickied" when it passes muster. 

Thank you Neil/Sukhe-Bator for graciously forbearing this community digression in your personal project thread.

Now, off to the salt mines!  :)
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: LordOdo on February 09, 2016, 06:16:57 PM
I'm curious to how it will work out. I've been thinking about a GoT related childboard before. I realised that way everyone would want their own childboard soon enoighy, so that wouldn't be an option. 
The idea of an index though is interesting!  :)
Hope to see it work out well!
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on February 22, 2016, 09:33:10 AM
Well, I've finally gone and done it. I spotted a copy of Lion Rampant in my local bookstore at the weekend and thought 'what the heck!'. I'm very glad I did. My musings over the composition of my Retinues has been greatly distilled into positive action... The figure totals for the units have also given me ideas on how to assemble my forces. I was always going for the medieval 'battle' approach so had several combined units in mind. I'm going to combine several houses into the 24 point retinue. The fact that standards are incidental and leaders are nominated helps no end. This will help create the heraldic medley of the polyglot bannermen levies that I was after.

For example, I was holding back a unit of crossbowmen to use with the Lannister force. Now I know the unit is 12 strong, I intended a large portion of the contingent would be in Lannister livery reflecting their wealth, so 4-6 figures are in Lannister crimson, with the remainder made up from quotas from the major houses, Brax, Prester, Crakehall, Clegane, Lefford, Swyft. This will give me the visual variety, and a sense that a portion of the notional levy of 4-6 missile troops from the major houses will be composed of at least 1 crossbowman. In future scenarios where Lannisters are not present, a viable 12 man crossbow unit can still be generated by combining lesser houses.   

I've been thinking that the 'Bidowers' category is an excellent opportunity to model crannogmen and am thinking of getting creative and sculpting ghillie suits with tufts of foliage etc. The main poser at the moment is what figures to use as the basis for these... ideally bow armed but in a variety of unarmoured crouching and furtive poses for sniping. My first thoughts were the LoTR rangers, but they are too well dressed/equipped for simple folk if you understand what I mean.
Using a Fireforge cloak also seems somewhat wasteful when I have other uses for these for characters etc. Any ideas gratefully received...
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on February 22, 2016, 10:50:32 AM
a propos of my crannogmen idea I've just taken advantage of the Black Tree Design sale and purchased some saxon unarmoured archers which I think will make a good foundation upon which to model them. Any surplus figures will go towards my Wildlings requiring very little additional work.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Hupp n at em on February 22, 2016, 05:45:35 PM
I was going to say possibly look at the Claymore Castings Irish/Welsh/Islemen skirmishers for Bidowers, but BTD are a nice idea as well.  :)
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on February 23, 2016, 08:17:30 AM
Hupp n at em
They have some lovely figures, granted - too lovely to muck about with.  :-* I'd use them as is and may seriously indulge for some Wildlings. I couldn't turn down the BTD sculpts though, not at a tad over 1 GBP a figure in the recent sale :)
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on February 26, 2016, 03:06:16 PM
The Riverlands retinue is coming along nicely. Now Piper and Blackwood are joining Paege, Bracken, Mallister and Tully. Despite me originally planning only liveried costume for a select few, having only 8 to 10 figures per House to worry about is not proving two onerous a task. Once mixed together in the requisite 12 man units for Lion Rampant, they will look suitably random and colourful. I must remember to never mix Bracken and Blackwood in the same unit though!  ;).

I've yet to make flags for Paege and Blackwood and Bracken and have to build a foot Captain for Piper to make up the numbers. It'll be time to crack open the Fireforge foot and get glueing.

House Vance has been dropped from the roster since I have decided to only include houses where the sigils/banners are explicitly mentioned in the books. Despite being a major player in the War of the Five Kings, neither sigil of the two cadet branches of House Vance is actually mentioned in the books.

I may adopt the practice of making the main House banner larger or of a slightly different shape than the others which will require a reworking of the Tully banner. Having seen the excellent work of others I'm also considering adding a House pennon on at least one of the two pikemen. Once they are combined they should look the part.

The Black Tree Design saxon archers have arrived so I'll be able to play around with green stuff and make ghillie suits for my crannogmen 'bidowers'. I'm also considering adding camouflaged openwork wicker 'shields' to use as impromptu cover/ hunting blinds for them to crouch behind. Since they are all shaggy and clothed the remainder will be added to my Wildling roster after the addition of some cowls capes cloaks and furs.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on March 02, 2016, 08:52:35 AM
A basic w.i.p. of the Riverlands retinue as it nears completion. Still a long ways to go but I wanted to convey the overall look of the combination of Houses in the single retinue...
In order from Back left Blackwood, Paege and Piper, from Back Right Tully, Mallister and Bracken
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG1766_zpsz7xoeem7.jpg~original)
And in provisional battle array...
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG1771_zpsrbrnsnsl.jpg~original)
2 units of 12 archers, 1 unit of foot serjeants armed with pike and 2 units of foot serjeants with 2hd/mixed weapons.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: kaiser on March 02, 2016, 11:03:35 AM
Looking good!
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Dilettante Gamer on March 02, 2016, 01:17:50 PM
Wow! I'm envious of the variety of houses represented in one retinue!  Particularly liking the banners for each house. Well done!!  :-* :-*
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Hupp n at em on March 02, 2016, 03:32:00 PM
I really like the idea of multiple houses per unit, but I'm not sure I can bring myself to do it for some reason...  ???
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: tyrionhalfman on March 02, 2016, 10:59:39 PM
Very striking force. They look great arrayed together. Thanks for sharing
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Captain Blood on March 02, 2016, 11:45:37 PM
Great stuff. Glad to see you back at it  :)
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: tomrommel1 on March 03, 2016, 07:44:01 AM
very nice variety! I will do that eventually ,too. I am aiming for Blacktree and Brax and Glover as smaller supporting houses for my Starks and Lannisters. after that who knows may be white walkers and the Nightwatch.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on March 03, 2016, 09:31:46 AM
Thanks,
Its nice to be back doing stuff again
after that who knows may be white walkers and the Nightwatch.
At least you won't lose sleepless nights with their heraldry. Dilettante Gamer will agree I've been mulling over the multiple House combo for some time now!
I know what you mean though Hupp n at Em. Its the age old conflict between wanting to represent interesting factions and larger formations without skewing the overall look. It has bedevilled gamers for years, particularly those with armies with quite specialised fighting arms like Medieval and ECW. Still I think the multiple banner, multiple heraldry conveys more of the medieval look I have in my mind's eye. That doesn't stop me looking enviously at other people's more single-minded/systematic approaches like Charlie's, Captain Blood's and of course Frank's inimitable SAGA approach!
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on March 11, 2016, 10:40:23 AM
A w.i.p. glimpse of one of the two Riverlands archer units for Lion Rampant slowly emerging, Houses Piper, Bracken and Mallister combined.
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG1782_zpswxsnbvpy.jpg~original)
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG1781_zpsdcrcthtv.jpg~original)
Still a fair amount of highlighting and detailing to go before I switch attention to the bases adding texture, flock and drybrushing.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Captain Blood on March 11, 2016, 11:16:21 AM
Shaping up well  :)
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Dilettante Gamer on March 12, 2016, 12:29:42 AM
Sweet!  :)
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Hupp n at em on March 12, 2016, 01:33:57 AM
Very nice, the mixed unit looks much more cohesive than I had imagined it would.  Are you basing this arrangement on historical HYW/WoTR armies, or just for visual variety's sake?  The books always seemed to describe large enough armies/retinues for the individual lords that I didn't think they would be this mixed in a small LR-sized force; the more powerful Northern houses (Karstark, Cerwyn, Manderly) could field 800-1000 horse and a couple thousand foot IIRC.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on March 14, 2016, 08:44:13 AM
Are you basing this arrangement on historical HYW/WoTR armies, or just for visual variety's sake? 
I'm doing this primarily for visual variety, in much the same way ECW/TYW gamers representing larger armies would represent tercios of pike composed of multiple regiments. The proportion of missile to hand weapons seems about right without looking silly. The aim is to create a mixed retinue per House just big enough that when combined into groups and tinkering with the unit designations could create viable units for Lion Rampant.
Thus 3 Houses combined would field 12 archers, 12 MAA with mixed arms (pike/bill), and 6 Foot Knights (14-16pts)
6 houses 2x12 Archers, 1x12 MAA w Pike, 1x12 MAA w bill, and 1x12 MAA (20pts) to which could be added Mtd contingents and skirmishers etc for different battles/encounters. I plan to have a few generically painted figures as well to tinker with the proportions where necessary. A full blown battle would be around the 30-36pt mark, but I am reliably informed LR can handle that with ease...
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: tomrommel1 on March 14, 2016, 04:34:06 PM
you could have mixed units in Dragon Rampant too like 6 archers and 6 billmen . Have a look in the unit compositions!
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on March 14, 2016, 04:43:50 PM
you could have mixed units in Dragon Rampant too like 6 archers and 6 billmen . Have a look in the unit compositions!
An intriguing notion tomrommel1. I will have to investigate  ;) I plumped for Lion Rampant simply because I knew it was good and saw it on the bookshelf. In order to fully game Westeros and potentially LoTR it will need to cater for Artillery, Elephants and 'gunpowder-esque' magic. Dragon Rampant is on my wish list but maybe not till the summer :D
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: tomrommel1 on March 15, 2016, 07:55:24 AM
In Dragon Rampant you can also have single miniature units like the best swordsman in all Westeros or a lonely hound fighting a lady in full plate!!
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on March 15, 2016, 08:41:25 AM
I see in Lion Rampant there is a 2pt upgrade for the Foot Yeoman (3pts) to create a mixed spear/archer unit for 5pts. The archers only have a 12" range and move like the skirmishers, with some interesting benefits in melee.
This might make an interesting variant for Northern Bannermen.
Currently 3 House naturally combine into a 13/14pt retinue composed of;
1x 12 Foot serjeants @ 4pts, or Foot Yeomen @ 3pts
1x 12 archers @ 4pts
1x 6 Foot knights @ 6pts
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/Lion%20Rampant/IMAG1829_zpsokvj66qf.jpg~original)
Thus 3 Houses might combine to create a 16pt retinue composed of;
2x 12 Foot Yeoman, mixed weapons @ 10pts
1x 6 Foot Knights @ 6pts
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/Lion%20Rampant/IMAG1828_zpsyo2wwhqd.jpg~original)
I think visually this works quite well and tactically may prove rather useful. I can see I will have to experiment. Thanks for the heads up tomrommel1. You can look forward to a future AAR from me trying this out using my LoTR armies as proxies.

Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: tomrommel1 on March 15, 2016, 02:28:56 PM
looking forward to your test
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on March 21, 2016, 08:33:21 AM
My s$%*^y little digital camera finally died on me at the weekend. Luckily I found my Dad's old camera and took a few test pics which seem much improved.
My ironborn GB vikings out of the box with a few minor conversions, nearing completion after a mass application of canon and non-canon sourced shield designs of the various Iron Islands clans, all under the Kraken...
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/DSCF0327_zpso3raqlfw.jpg~original)
Waiting in the wings, the next 6 houses to be finished off (probably after Easter now), this time Stark, Umber, Hornwood, Tallhart, Glover and Ryswell. I'm looking forward to these the most since the majority of my most heavily converted figures are amongst this crowd. I am hopeful that a lot of the preparatory work already undertaken will mean these are a little quicker off the production line than the Riverlands mob (w.i.p. pics to follow)...
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/DSCF0328_zps38jrefrd.jpg~original)
I still have to weed out the non-canon sigils and rectify a few errors (like changing the armoured fist to the 'mailed' fist of the Glovers)
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/DSCF0329_zpsuryv1cku.jpg~original)
A little experiment with the macro settings showing my take on the venerable Stark Master At Arms Rodrik Cassel in the making
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/DSCF0330_zpszestukl3.jpg~original)
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Hammers on March 21, 2016, 09:43:20 AM
Great.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: LordOdo on March 21, 2016, 09:45:40 AM
Oooh looks good! I'm sure this variety of banners all together is right like how mr. George had depicted it!
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Captain Blood on March 21, 2016, 10:10:58 AM
Hurrah - a new camera!  :)
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on March 22, 2016, 02:43:28 PM
Having teething troubles finding the best settings though... :? ::)
These were supposed to be work in progress shots of the Riverlands Houses...
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/DSCF0345_zpss2fcdo4c.jpg~original)
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/DSCF0344_zps3gswmvoa.jpg~original)
I'll try again when I get them home for Easter
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Gnarius Radicus on March 24, 2016, 11:51:42 AM
Great stuff, really impressed with the scope of this project.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Dilettante Gamer on March 24, 2016, 07:30:09 PM
Sukhe - Did you free-hand those livery badges on their doublets??

If so,  :o
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on March 24, 2016, 08:01:54 PM
Yep, its all free hand - not a transfer in sight!
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: tomrommel1 on March 29, 2016, 02:19:19 PM
very good progress :-*
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on April 11, 2016, 10:36:54 AM
The Riverlands retinue as organised for Lion Rampant
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/DSCF0391_zpsumloshln.jpg~original)
And as individual houses....House Blackwood
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/DSCF0390_zpshf4tgkcx.jpg~original)
House Piper
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/DSCF0389_zpsgocz2a47.jpg~original)
House Mallister
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/DSCF0388_zpswaj9iusv.jpg~original)
House Paege
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/DSCF0387_zps88shthrh.jpg~original)
House Tully
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/DSCF0386_zps2adgzk8j.jpg~original)
House Bracken
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/DSCF0385_zpsy29rytua.jpg~original)
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: tomrommel1 on April 11, 2016, 01:45:17 PM
 :-* :-* :-*nice indeed
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on April 11, 2016, 01:56:33 PM
I completed this modified generic timber framed yeoman's house over Easter and added it to the list of Westeros scenery... I gave it the bull's blood plasterwork which I think gives it a more European look... Just need to do the shingle roof ridge and possibly a stylised wooden dragon design at the apex of the eaves... 
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/Envisioning%20Westeros/DSCF0456_zps4k3r04p3.jpg~original)
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/Envisioning%20Westeros/DSCF0453_zpsetw9x6ja.jpg~original)(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/Envisioning%20Westeros/DSCF0455_zps8amldn49.jpg~original)
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/Envisioning%20Westeros/DSCF0454_zpsn4epcyk2.jpg~original)
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Dilettante Gamer on April 11, 2016, 04:00:37 PM
Loving it! A full retinue!  And your "Fachwerk" house in red looks ace.

Between this and your LotR project, I am truly amazed.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Captain Blood on April 11, 2016, 08:09:21 PM
Oooh - very nice stuff. Some great little bits and pieces of kit-bashing spotted in there.

Looking at your pics, I have come to the penny-dropping realisation that my existing Yorkist retinue for Wars of The Roses, shares the same 'murrey and blue' parti-coloured livery as House Tully... If only I hadn't painted all those little 'sunnes in splendour' upon their breasts I would have an instant House Tully force...
Hmmm... Maybe I'll add a couple of Tully fish flag wavers for GoT purposes, and ignore the livery badge on the rest of them...
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on April 12, 2016, 08:25:26 AM
Thanks Cp'n. I've been thinking along the same lines with the livery colours of your WOTR figs and others... I like your idea of subborning Yorkists into the Tully fold with extra banners... ;)

Two more takes on vernacular architecture. I tried a version of Craster's Keep to see the logic behind the log/stockade construction...
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/Envisioning%20Westeros/DSCF0432_zps1dhl87ye.jpg~original)
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/Envisioning%20Westeros/DSCF0431_zps8qulpu2x.jpg~original)
Though I still have to source suitable towelling to try thatching...

And turf and timber 'sod' houses, more suitable for areas where there is less standing timber to be had...
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG1010_zpse43d35aa.jpg~original)
Since this pic was taken I've added a wooden door frame with simple geometric patterning and added flock to the roof, though it still needs some thicker vegetation like static grass and perhaps the odd grazing goat for effect :D.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: tomrommel1 on April 12, 2016, 08:36:44 AM
very nice architecture  :-* :-*
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on April 13, 2016, 08:14:55 AM
This is my attempt at a set piece scenic feature for a refight of the action around 'Stone Mill' during the 'Battle of the Red Fork'... My challenge was to compress the build so that it all fitted inside a copier paper box 8" x 9" x 11". The gable ends and shingle roof will be modeled separately, with diamond shaped shingles I think, or perhaps a mixture of ordinary and patterned...
The undershot mill wheel will be derived from one at the C12 Fontenay Abbey in Burgundy, which was used to operate a water hammer forge...
Carts making deliveries of grain for milling back into the arched bay, and collect the flour from the same, through a hatch in the ceiling, operated by a simple mill-wheel powered winch system...
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/Envisioning%20Westeros/DSCF0434_zpskpjla6lu.jpg~original)
Extra windows for the 'loading bay' on one side, also showing the mill race...
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/Envisioning%20Westeros/DSCF0435_zpsrlwqnhcc.jpg~original)
The business side of the mill with blank arcading which will be obscured by the mill wheel. The hole for the axle can be seen. This shows the mill race which will be modelled to blend in with and enable the whole thing to abut my existing river sections
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/Envisioning%20Westeros/DSCF0436_zpsnlggyory.jpg~original)
Stairs leading to the upper grinding floor
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/Envisioning%20Westeros/DSCF0433_zps3yugmxq6.jpg~original)
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Hammers on April 13, 2016, 08:51:15 AM
Very nice!
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Silent Invader on April 13, 2016, 09:12:04 AM
Very nice (and bonus kudos for considering practicalities of storage!)  8)
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: tomrommel1 on April 15, 2016, 08:50:21 AM
that is a nice mill you are building there
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Captain Blood on April 15, 2016, 09:56:07 AM
Gosh that looks good already  :)
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on July 14, 2016, 07:55:39 AM
After a LONG, long absence I've finally got back into GOT. Thanks to Vermis and a healthy recruitment drive of batch painting Uruk Hai for my LOTR army.
Currently on the workbench are 9 x 8 groups of Westerlands foot, 3/4 completed. Each contingent is composed of a captain, a standard bearer, 2 bill, 2 pike and 2 missile (either crossbow or archer) viz; 2 x 8 Lannister, 1 x 8 Bettley, Clegane, Crakehall, Prester, Marbrand and Brax. Once I've decided on my own semi-canon take on the sigil for House Swyft (having singularly failed to come up with any reference in the books for a blue chicken - only yellow) I plan to raise another House.
I've also taken the plunge and am currently retasking some of my old 5th Ed. Bretonnian knights (mainly for their crested tourney helms) to represent Brax, Prester and Lannister. I'm planning to remodel a bull's head crest into a hound's to represent Clegane, and sculpt a boar's head from scratch in green stufff for Crakehall...
Lack of a digital camera is a real pain in the aristotle...
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: tomrommel1 on July 15, 2016, 06:06:52 AM
sounds good and quite a lot of work
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Captain Blood on July 15, 2016, 10:08:09 AM
Good luck  8)
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on July 18, 2016, 09:10:54 AM
Found an old 4th Ed. Bretonnian knight at the weekend to add to my first unit of mounted knights/MAA. This will represent Cleos Frey who was captured at the Battle of the Whispering Wood. I figure the barded horse, kettle hat and quartered shield with embossed lions will display the quartered Frey and Lannister heraldry rather well.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Dilettante Gamer on September 05, 2016, 10:31:55 PM
After a LONG, long absence I've finally got back into GOT. Thanks to Vermis and a healthy recruitment drive of batch painting Uruk Hai for my LOTR army.
Currently on the workbench are 9 x 8 groups of Westerlands foot, 3/4 completed. Each contingent is composed of a captain, a standard bearer, 2 bill, 2 pike and 2 missile (either crossbow or archer) viz; 2 x 8 Lannister, 1 x 8 Bettley, Clegane, Crakehall, Prester, Marbrand and Brax. Once I've decided on my own semi-canon take on the sigil for House Swyft (having singularly failed to come up with any reference in the books for a blue chicken - only yellow) I plan to raise another House.
I've also taken the plunge and am currently retasking some of my old 5th Ed. Bretonnian knights (mainly for their crested tourney helms) to represent Brax, Prester and Lannister. I'm planning to remodel a bull's head crest into a hound's to represent Clegane, and sculpt a boar's head from scratch in green stufff for Crakehall...
Lack of a digital camera is a real pain in the aristotle...

Hey, Sukhe! I'm resurfacing after a long-summer hiatus.  I'll post some pics if you will!
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on September 06, 2016, 08:19:36 AM
I have spent the summer break organising, building, basing and undercoating the equivalent of a pack of Perry WOTR light cavalry, basing all the cavalry I will be painting up (eventually) and packs of HYW English and French Infantry. I've also made a hesitant start on a few simple foot conversions using Gripping Beast Dark age warriors with HYW heads and weapons.
The HYW foot are making a Crownlands contingent to refight the Battle At Duskendale in the War of The Five Kings. This is where 1/3 of the Northern host led by Helman Tallhart and Robett Glover were sent to their almost certain destruction by Roose Bolton. Brienne sees the aftermath and debris of the fighting in her visit to Maidenpool, making it an interesting sideshow with different sigils to model.
After a little light R&D, I've opted to raise 10 men contingents of Rosby, Mooton and Darklyn. The other 3 units will be Tarly and 2 other Reach houses. With Rosby rolling off the production line I have to say that the HYW figures are lovely sculpts... :-*
The Lannister contingents I've already done will feature as allies.

This also forces me to revisit my Northern host which I haven't looked at since I first started raising GOT forces and unintentionally let in some non-canon features in my initial enthusiasm. I will be editing my Hornwood, Tallhart and Glover contingents. The purists amongst you will note some sigil gaffs that need correcting :-[
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/DSCF0329_zpsmsaus7yf.jpg~original)
 After some more reading I've decided to completely redo the Karstarks, using Fireforge Men at Arms to achive the cloaked, extensively mailed, shaggy long shielded spear-wielding look described in the books.
“the Karstarks came in on a cold windy morning, bringing 300 horsemen and near 2000 foot from their castle at Karhold.””the steel points of their pikes”, “pounding out a slow deep-throated marching rhythm on a drum that was bigger than he was”, ”They were big men and fierce, faces covered with thick beards, hair worn loose past the shoulders. Their cloaks were made of skins, the pelts of bear and seal and wolf“beneath night-black banners emblazoned with the white sunburst of their house.”.” (GOT, p.549)
“a long column of armoured lancers were crossing ‘Karstark men. They wore black iron half helms and black woollen cloaks patterned with the white sunburst” (GOT, p.552)
“a crescent of enemy spearmen had formed ahead, a double hedgehog bristling with steel, waiting behind tall oaken shields marked with the sunburst of Karstark”,”a barbed spearhead” (GOT, p.663)
“he was tall and spare wearing a long chainmail hauberk and gauntlets of lobstered steel… had lost his helm” (GOT, p.665)

I plan to retask my old Karstarks and spare figures into a Cerwyn contingent.  
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on September 06, 2016, 11:48:49 AM
I should of course be referring to House Rykker and NOT House Darklyn
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Dilettante Gamer on September 06, 2016, 01:21:00 PM
Well, that was quick, Neil!  :) You HAVE been busy.

Guess I need to put up or shut up.  ;D

I'll find a way to do so tonight.  Starting off a short work week this morning. Long weekend unfortunately means cramming the same amount of work into 4 days... <sigh>
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Charlie_ on September 06, 2016, 04:31:06 PM
After a little light R&D, I've opted to raise 10 men contingents of Rosby, Mooton and Darklyn. The other 3 units will be Tarly and 2 other Reach houses. With Rosby rolling off the production line I have to say that the HYW figures are lovely sculpts... :-*

Mooton is a Riverlands house, not Crownlands.
I was always curious as to why they never seemed to do anything in the war, at least they are never mentioned among the Riverlords that fight for Robb and Edmure. The wiki says they 'sent men off to fight', but that's the wiki... Maidenpool was sacked, presumably by Lannister troops, and Lord Mooton hid inside his castle, which gives him a bit of a bad rep, especially with Brienne.
It's never made clear I guess, but I think he did side with the Starks and Tullys (the latter being his liege lord of course). But it could be that he just stayed out of it all....  and Maidenpool was later got taken by Randyll Tarly. Mooton was pardoned and bent the knee, and his son is now to marry Tarly's daughter.

I'm actually painting up lots of Mooton troops for my own project, set in Robert's Rebellion! In this war they did stay loyal to the crown / the Targaryens, so went against Hoster Tully and were apparently defeated by him in battle. They have one of the better house sigils in the books, in my opinion - red salmon on white looks pretty good.

Interested to see what you come up with anyway!
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Captain Blood on September 06, 2016, 06:03:25 PM
Bravo. Very nice work.
(We must try and organise a game some time. I remain convinced that I live somewhere quite near you! ;))
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on September 07, 2016, 08:12:07 AM
Alas, Charlie, you are indeed correct. I should rule Mooton out of the equation. Red fish down :(
as Hugo Weaving so eloquently puts it as Elrond 'the list of our allies grows...THIN'
That leaves House Stokeworth for which I cannot (as yet) find any supporting canon refs for the sigil of the seated lamb and chalice mentioned in the Wiki. (though it would look rather good).

Ideally a Battle composed of contingents from 3 houses neatly fits into the Dragon/Lion Rampant organisation combining to make a unit of 12 spear, a unit of 12 with bills/hand wpns and 12 Missile troops with 6 an additional unit of 6 Bidowers or maybe MAA at 16pts in total.

That leaves 6 potential sigils to use to represent the balance of the army made up of Tarly's forces from the Reach, none of which are fully described with the exception of Hunt "white a brown deer, dead and bound and slung beneath a pole" - a positive nightmare to render as a device in 25mm!), Tarly (striding huntsman), Ambrose (ants), Fossoway (red or green apples) and a speculative Leygood (3 thunderbolts).... My job won't be particularly easy ::)

Cpn, I do believe we may be practically neighbours... I can probably see your home fires burning from my encampment on the windswept steppes of CR2 ;)


Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: LordOdo on September 07, 2016, 01:51:29 PM
I may be wrong, but i believe it's somewhere noted the Tarly colour is green. Maybe it's noted when Sam arrives at the wall or something.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on September 07, 2016, 02:04:29 PM
I may be wrong, but i believe it's somewhere noted the Tarly colour is green. Maybe it's noted when Sam arrives at the wall or something.
I'll check it out...cheers
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Captain Blood on September 07, 2016, 03:47:28 PM

Cpn, I do believe we may be practically neighbours... I can probably see your home fires burning from my encampment on the windswept steppes of CR2 ;)


Ha! I was born and raised in CR2 - right at the top of that windswept hill... But I moved out to RH9 as soon as I was old enough and have been there ever since  ;)
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on September 22, 2016, 07:28:31 AM
In desperation I've turned to my cruddy back-up camera to show a w.i.p. shot of my House Rosby retinue using Perry HYW figures. They are French for the main part, but the English MAA I have left over from the Lannister host exercise make good standard bearers. Just some highlighting, a bit of metals and some base dressing to add and they're good to go. This is my first attempt at the a-House-at-a-time-method and I'm quite pleased with the results...
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG1840_zps8mn4ldzt.jpg~original)
Waiting impatiently in the wings for my mojo to return... the makings of House Rykker
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG1842_zpsrpgvxhtm.jpg~original)
Now my back-up cam seems to be behaving itself again and it is a little less crazy at home I'll have to crack open the Lannisters from storage and take some pics
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Captain Blood on September 22, 2016, 08:19:26 AM
Great stuff SB. Love House Rosby in particular. Lovely assemblies - great poses.

Funny thing isn't it - mojo. I haven't lifted a paintbrush in almost 3 months...  Lots of things in the queue - lots I want to paint. just haven't been in the mood ::) :(
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on September 22, 2016, 08:53:15 AM
Thanks Cap'n. I'm quite pleased with the poses I must say. I wanted a distinctive look for the Crownlands and Reach troops and adopting the pavises seemed a logical move. I looked enviously at the Perry metal Pavisiers when they first came out and wanted to recreate something similar. When the 6 Houses are combined they'll make good front rankers or a single spear and shield bloc. Maybe I'll treat myself at some point to some metals for Lannister/Baratheon household troops...
It was very much a case of working with the parts I had available. Necessity being the mother of invention and all that. I've loads of Fireforge feudals but am saving them for Night's Watch, Ironborn and Karstarks. I've done a few Perry WOTR/HYW mashups to get more standard bearers holding poles in the L hand brandishing a hand weapon in the R.

Re mojo, I hear you Cp'n, I hear you...
I've got stacks of assembled stuff from the summer to put paint to and have piles of gee gees that require my attention where I tried to rationalise all the mounted figures I've got... :?

I can't seem to get beyond my obsession with Tankionline though atm. I went cold turkey over the summer so I reckon I gotta get it out of my system first while Rosby and Rykker stare accusingly at me from the shelf behind my desk at work... lol
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on October 04, 2016, 07:44:54 AM
Finally got the green stuff out to put the finishing touches to some of my recent mash ups. It seemed a crying shame to pass up the hand weapons that came with the Perry HYW figures so I've experimented with the Gripping Beast Dark Ages figures, cropping the arms of some of the poses. Still very much W.I.P. with some extra work required on the sculpting (hair on the Captain for example) and tidying up the figure of mould lines etc. I usually sculpt cloaks in two stages, once to get the basic foundation and flowing lines of the cloth, and the second pass to tidy up and add trim etc.
Apologies for the atrocious quality of the pics, I'm using my poor quality and ailing backup camera. I trust you can all see beyond that to see the potential of the figures...
First off, a Gripping Beast Dark Age torso, with Perry HYW arms and a deep kettle hat with eye slits from the Perry Mercs box given a fur mantle
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG1845_zpsdsen4rld.jpg~original)
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG1844_zpsyvusburb.jpg~original)
A quartet of Black Tree Design medieval archers with the beginnings of ghillie suits (hoods, cowls, capes and mantles to which I hope to fix sculpted leaves and branches etc.)
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG1850_zpsexqyurxt.jpg~original)
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG1851_zpsxpik8aen.jpg~original)
A Captain for my Karstarks, GB DA torso, Fireforge shield, Perry head and HYW weapon arm. I thought the baggy sleeves went well with the DA tunic and leggings and the thick cloak sets it off nicely.
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG1846_zpsauj0gt5x.jpg~original)
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG1847_zpskhcyy0k6.jpg~original)
And an unspecified foot soldier with a fur cloak using a similar combo of parts...
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG1849_zpsfkzgwtgd.jpg~original)
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG1848_zpsced8bv7c.jpg~original)
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: tomrommel1 on October 04, 2016, 08:09:29 AM
very nice kit bashes and green stuff work
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Captain Blood on October 04, 2016, 10:56:27 AM
I like those. Especially the Karstark captain.  8)
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on October 04, 2016, 02:07:32 PM
After an hour at lunch time, work on the Karstark captain is finished with a fur trim to the tunic, hair and fuller cloak
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG1856_zps8ofp4wh3.jpg~original)
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG1857_zpsoxsgwq1o.jpg~original)
While the scout/sniper unit, now 6 figures strong, get additional cowls, cloaks and scarves to obscure their profiles
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG1854_zpszbwrce2c.jpg~original)
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG1855_zpshqifxe3k.jpg~original)
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: tomrommel1 on October 05, 2016, 08:35:22 AM
very nice indeed
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: tyrionhalfman on October 05, 2016, 09:47:37 AM
Nice additions. Lovely greenstuff work. Thanks for sharing
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on October 07, 2016, 07:46:33 AM
A couple of hours later and the Karstark Captain nears completion, sporting a suitable grunge look...
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG1863_zps4qhtssnd.jpg~original)
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG1862_zpsyojs2hyu.jpg~original)
I'm particularly pleased with how the HYW full sleeved arm has blended with the GB dark ages torso and how the greenstuff fur trim on his tunic has come out  :D
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: LordOdo on October 07, 2016, 11:10:33 AM
Wouldn't be able to tell its a kitbash; looks really natural!! Good job!
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: tomrommel1 on October 18, 2016, 06:15:36 AM
nice
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Captain Blood on October 18, 2016, 06:28:05 AM
Agreed, that's a lovely model. Works really well  :-*
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on October 21, 2016, 12:51:49 PM
Working on some friends for the Captain, 4 Fireforge spear and shield with greenstuff cloaks and 'big hair', 4 assorted BTD medieval archers and a converted Rohirrim banner bearer. All in black and white and subdued earth and grey 'gunge' tones. They are coming together nicely as a faction...
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: tomrommel1 on October 24, 2016, 03:19:18 PM
pictures please!!!!!!
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on October 25, 2016, 07:24:54 AM
I'm afraid it looks like this is the best I can coax out of my poxy camera under office lighting...
but as requested some w.i.p. pics of the Karstarks...
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG1756_zpsg93n6doy.jpg~original)
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG1757_zpsexrnhrpu.jpg~original)
The rest of the GBD Dark ages and HYW archers as foresters, many augmented with additional green stuff cowls and capes
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG1759_zpsctlw2n2w.jpg~original)
The mashup of GB torso, Perry HYW arms and WOTR head with greenstuff cloak
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG1763_zpsdec9nxsv.jpg~original)
And finally... some Freys
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG1761_zpsojpkwbxg.jpg~original)
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: LordOdo on October 25, 2016, 12:39:07 PM
I think your Karstarks are my all time favourites of all mini's in your thread! They're really great!
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on October 25, 2016, 12:49:50 PM
Thanks LordOdo,
I really like the way the Fireforge minis come together though I agree with Captain Blood that the poses need some careful work to look good. I'm reserving some to augment my Ironborn, but I am sorely tempted to use more together with some GB Dark Ages mashups to increase the numbers on my Northern factions to 12 figs apiece. That way I can add some more characterful poses and field an entire mixed unit per House using Dragon/Lion Rampant rules.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: tomrommel1 on October 26, 2016, 05:41:53 AM
very very nice indeed!!!! Thanks for the pictures . The Freys look menacing enough !
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on October 28, 2016, 11:51:25 AM
After some further work, the shaggy/hairy Karstarks are nearing completion...(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG1770_zpspnacdaq0.jpg~original)
The foresters/skirmishers too (must remember to find that bit of bow)
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG1769_zps71nvt1pn.jpg~original)
And the two mashups of GB Dark Age with Perry HYW/LOTR parts and greenstuff winter weather gear...
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG1771_zpsyk86zkue.jpg~original)
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Captain Blood on October 28, 2016, 12:21:24 PM
Great stuff SB  8)

We actually played a GoT game last night. Bit chaotic, but good fun. Tyrion got killed and the Lannisters were entirely useless  :'(
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on October 28, 2016, 12:46:25 PM
Awesome Cpn!
I'm really looking forward to finally getting to field my GOT forces in the not too distant future... if RL doesn't get in the way first! Will probably be a solo skirmish since my usual opponents are all at Uni.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Charlie_ on October 30, 2016, 11:55:45 AM
Great work. The dark / gritty colour schemes work really well.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on October 31, 2016, 08:27:44 AM
Charlie,
It's just as well I like forces that are dark and gritty then, since my painting technique does not allow for bright and shiny... I'm a relatively recent convert from modelling enamels (about 6 years and no relapses) and I use conventional artists acrylics out of a tube, with a peat brown ink wash for lowlights. I find I sometimes struggle with paint consistency getting even coverage etc. 
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: tomrommel1 on November 01, 2016, 04:53:43 PM
very nice figures indeed. My GoT figures got a battle to fight last weekend too
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on January 09, 2017, 12:26:40 PM
Happy New Year to you all.
Well, I must have done something right in 2016 'cos Santa got me some new toys and some much needed time over the Crimbaltide break. I belatedly joined the ranks of the good Captain and many others kitbashing Fireforge parts with Perry HYW, WOTR and Gripping Beast Dark Ages infantry to bolster the ranks of my Westerosi. A late present to myself was a pack of Warlord hounds and handler who will join my Boltons of course.
I also got some Warlord Celtic cavalry which will form the basis of a unit of Dothraki bloodriders. I've got as far as modelling the arakhs out of plasticard, and will be adding greenstuff leather tunics and braided hair, as well as saddlecloths and various bits of booty hung from the saddle horns.
There has been much frantic basing and prep work so I can begin 2017 with a fresh round of painting and hopefully bringing whole forces to completion...  o_o lol

The plan is to have more feudal-looking, shield-bearing Northerners, so a number of the more effete later-Medieval looking troops have defected to my Riverlands and Lannister hosts. The upside is that I've finally seen sense and all my houses will be represented by 12 man factions now. The downside is this has resulted in an additional round of repainting to change liveries and sigils/badges. First things first, I have vowed to paint up these reinforcements so I can build up completed forces a House at a time. How long that New Year's resolution will last, I don't know.

I don't know about the others but when I'm kitbashing I just start playing with the parts and see where they take me. This has inevitably resulted in not a few candidates for Wildlings and either Nights Watch, Ironborn or Sellswords. Most will need some degree of tidying up and shaggification with greenstuff additions, but overall I'm quite pleased with the results.

And finally, too late in the season unfortunately (given the turmoil at home a.t.m.) for any pics just yet, I have finally taken delivery of a new digital camera (yay!). I hope to post some tentative  w.i.p. shots in the near future.  :D ;)
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: tomrommel1 on January 09, 2017, 02:34:12 PM
That sounds like a good plan for 2017!
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: LordOdo on January 09, 2017, 02:39:08 PM
I'm really looking forward to your pictures!! :D
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on January 16, 2017, 09:24:03 AM
My first trial shots on the new camera were mostly o o focus. However, this one just about passed muster. w.i.p. of the Celtic cavalry which will evolve into Dothraki bloodriders. The distinctive arakhs have been carved out of plasticard. I plan to add greenstuff saddle blankets, bags of loot etc, as well as the painted leather vests and braided hair, possibly adding rope bundles etc. from the frostgrave soldiery...
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMG_0594_zps8krotern.jpg~original)
I do wonder how they sheathed these ferocious weapons. The nearest historical equivalent I can find is the Abyssinian shotel
http://www.magix-photos.com/mpwhd02/10/833/858B4BB052D011E2B2526DCFBF2ADF87.jpg
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Sangennaru on January 16, 2017, 09:52:29 AM
Oh, that's an impressive modding! I really like the dynamism of the resulting models! :)

BTW, to increase the depht of focus of your camera simply reduce the diaphagm: i'm sure you've enough light in your lab for a good photo even with a f11.
I generally like the unfocused effect, but keeping all the minis in a single line and all in focus. In this case reducing the aperture (increasing the f value) does the trick. :)

Cheers
Jack
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on January 16, 2017, 10:12:03 AM
Ta, and thanks for the advice, Sangennaru! I am woefully out of practice with a decent camera and have forgotten most of the basics
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Charlie_ on January 16, 2017, 06:59:32 PM
Oh wow, that's very effective! I think they will look great if you sculpt some little vests for them.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on January 17, 2017, 08:43:39 AM
The archers use arms from the Warlord Numidian infantry box. In the books the Dothraki are superb Parthian-esque horse archers par excellence. It is a relatively simple matter to crop the arms with a craft knife and substitute them. I tried to select horse models without straight celtic swords but had to use a couple to make up the half dozen. They can always be captured weapons I guess. The chap in the centre with the open L hand will be a standard bearer. There is a good metal casting of a celtic epona horse standard with horse tails which will do rather nicely... :D
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on February 06, 2017, 08:35:46 AM
Well, in between frenzied packing in preparation for the builders, I finally managed an hour or so respite to do some R&D on my Westeros forces...
In doing so I stumbled across so more ASOIAF banner references in A Dance with Dragons PtI and PtII that will force me to revise some of my previous endeavours.
Charlie, DG and Cp'n Blood in particular please note...

Northern Houses assembling at Barrow Hall for the wedding of Ramsey Bolton to 'Arya' Stark...
"Banners flew from its square towers, flapping in the wid: the flayed man of the Dreadfort, the battle axe of Cerwyn, Tallhart's pines, the merman of Manderly, Old Lord Locke's crossed keys, the Umber Giant and the stony hand of Flint, the Hornwood moose. For the Stouts, chevrony russet and gold, for Slate a grey field within a double tressure white. Four horseheads proclaimed the four Ryswells of the Rills - one grey, one black, one gold, one brown. The jape was that the Ryswells could not even agree upon the colour of their arms. Above them streamed the stag and lion of the boy who sat upon the Iron Throne a thousand leagues away". (ADWD,:1, p.503)

"Lord Bolton led him toward the keep, where the banners were those of the late Lord Dustin. His showed a spiked crown above crossed longaxes, hers [Lady Dustin] quartered those same arms with Rodrik Ryswell's golden horsehead." (ADWD,:1)

"The arms of House Poole were a blue plate on white, framed by a grey tressure." (ADWD,:1, p.574)

"He was an old Tallhart man, three trees sewn on his ragged surcoat."(ADWD,:2, p.80)

Jaime at the siege of Raventree by the Brackens...
"The tent was brown, like the standard flapping from its centre pole, where the red stallion of House Bracken reared upon its gold escutcheon."(ADWD,:2, p.114)

"Lord Jonos [Bracken] shrugged into a brown woolen tunic with the red stallion of bracken embroidered on the front." (ADWD,:2, p.117)

So here finally is the Wiki source for the brown surround for the Bracken sigil. A heater shield would have presumably a brown bordure with the red stallion rampant on a gold/yellow field. Banners would have a brown field with the red stallion rampant within a gold/yellow escutcheon.

Looks like I'm going to have to rework my Brackens and Ryswells  :-[ :(

I am still waiting to find a reference to the field colour of the Tarly arms being green. However given the huntsman motif a green field would be traditional.

Meanwhile, the Fossoways, Stokeworth, Rykker, Rosby and Leygoods are slowly taking shape... ;)





 
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Captain Blood on February 06, 2017, 11:28:18 AM
Thank you SB - great primary references!

Always slightly sceptical about GRRM's heraldry mind you... The moose is  a bit of a giveaway that the author is American, and not really sticking to real world heraldic principles and motifs!  :D
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on February 06, 2017, 11:58:48 AM
I hear you Cp'n.
These plainly US references are sometimes jarring, and perhaps there is a little bit too much whimsy in Martin's heraldic usage sometimes. However there is medieval precedent with visual puns on names etc. so perhaps we shouldn't judge him too harshly.
Modellers also beware the Wiki does not know a proper heraldic chevron when it sees it. I've just checked out House Stout and the image is of a chevron inverted >:(
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Hammers on February 06, 2017, 12:03:44 PM
Thank you SB - great primary references!

Always slightly sceptical about GRRM's heraldry mind you... The moose is  a bit of a giveaway that the author is American, and not really sticking to real world heraldic principles and motifs!  :D

You know, we do have moose in our neck of the woods.

(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/originals/d1/39/4a/d1394afb21587ba92ed4bdd7ba94b4cf.jpg)

Arms of the Duchy of Gästrikland, for example. Élan gule sur argent pelted with snowballs azur.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Captain Blood on February 06, 2017, 12:53:35 PM
I take it all back (although I'm betting that's a modern interpretation, not true medieval heraldry...)  ;)
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Hammers on February 06, 2017, 01:01:09 PM
I take it all back (although I'm betting that's a modern interpretation, not true medieval heraldry...)  ;)

True that. The arms were granted 1560.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Ogrob on February 06, 2017, 01:08:36 PM
Dates back to 1560 apparently, but an early version on wiki looks a lot more like a deer than a moose.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Hammers on February 06, 2017, 01:19:06 PM
The CoA of Lapland is pretty cool:

(https://wermlandsheraldik.wordpress.com/files/2010/01/lappland1.jpg)

The arms were granted 1601.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: LordOdo on February 06, 2017, 01:48:18 PM
You know, we do have moose in our neck of the woods.

Arms of the Duchy of Gästrikland, for example. Élan gule sur argent pelted with snowballs azur.

Jämtland as well apparently:

(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/24/J%C3%A4mtland_vapen.svg/251px-J%C3%A4mtland_vapen.svg.png)

Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: LordOdo on February 06, 2017, 01:56:38 PM
Actually it seems it's pretty common in (northern) Europe:
(BTW sorry for spoiling your thread, I can delete this post if you'd like me to)

Some examples, there are more https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Moose_in_heraldry (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Moose_in_heraldry)

Latvia:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3c/Coat_of_arms_of_Zemgale.svg/90px-Coat_of_arms_of_Zemgale.svg.png)

Lithuania:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/96/Coat_of_arms_of_%C5%A0irvintos_%28Lithuania%29.svg/80px-Coat_of_arms_of_%C5%A0irvintos_%28Lithuania%29.svg.png)

Poland:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/4/4a/POL_%C5%81och%C3%B3w_COA_1.svg/100px-POL_%C5%81och%C3%B3w_COA_1.svg.png)

Russia:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/f/fa/Coat_of_Arms_of_Losinoostrovsky_District_%28Moscow%29.svg/95px-Coat_of_Arms_of_Losinoostrovsky_District_%28Moscow%29.svg.png)

Finland:
(https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/2/25/Kurikka.vaakuna.svg/107px-Kurikka.vaakuna.svg.png)

They're not all that old/medieval, but it's not a rarity at all it seems.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Hammers on February 06, 2017, 02:09:34 PM
When you look at list of ourworld heraldic charges it seems like pretty much anything goes...
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Ogrob on February 06, 2017, 04:20:35 PM
Thanks for the heraldry R&D by the way sukhe bator, I will be assembling some cavalry for my Starks force soon, and I want to have at least a few knights from sworn houses.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Charlie_ on February 06, 2017, 06:45:19 PM
(https://wermlandsheraldik.wordpress.com/files/2010/01/lappland1.jpg)

Yes, we are all used to the same old boring heraldry, lions, fleur-de-lys, etc.... And some of the heraldry GRRM describes does raise eyebrows at times. So then it's good to see there are all sorts of bizarre and creative ones in the real world too. Wasn't there a Swiss banner which depicted an 'idiot' and a sow??

So I think any bizarre or strange-sounding sigils can be made to look good and authentic.

Though I still wish GRRM wouldn't have so many of his house sigils on BROWN fields.....

By the way sukhe_bator, have you seen my new thread of my ASOIAF project? Perhaps it's not good etiquette to advertise my own thread in someone else's, but I know you will be interested. I'm posting my finished Riverlands units as they get photographed, so far I have Tully, Mooton and Vance up - on my new blog too. http://theriverlandsatwar.blogspot.com
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on February 07, 2017, 10:06:18 AM
Lord Odo and Hammers - keep them coming. I keep forgetting Moose/Elk are also found on the other side of the 'pond'. It is always refreshing to get a European perspective. In the UK we don't get much exposure to medieval European heraldry from further afield than the familiar HYW involvement in France, Burgundy and with the Swiss, which is one of the reasons I love this forum. I recall seeing a fantastic HYW diorama by two Belgian? wargamers, which was resplendent with all manner of unfamiliar heraldry. I was too shy at the time to engage them in conversation otherwise I'm sure I'd have learned a great deal. I was also intrigued by Polish and Hungarian heraldry for a time, especially the use of ciphers. There is a rich seam of source material out there if you know where to look and the internet has been transformational in many respects.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on February 20, 2017, 01:29:41 PM
Some w.i.p. images (about 3/4 finished) of my Crownlands and Reach houses for a rematch of the Battle of Duskendale... I don't have much time or facilities to take anything but quick record shots and I'm still grappling with the settings on my camera I'm afraid :-[
First up for the Crownlands - House Rosby, now 12 men strong
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMG_0604_zpsice5fyyv.jpg~original)
House Rykker
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMG_0606_zpsbwrfvxqy.jpg~original)
and House Stokeworth
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMG_0605_zpsrnzhnmcb.jpg~original)
and from the Reach, the triple lightning bolts of House Leygood
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMG_0603_zpsgvvojpej.jpg~original)
and how do you like them apples, the senior branch of House Fossoway
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMG_0602_zpsjakrflvq.jpg~original)
and the greener cadet branch
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMG_0601_zpsllvfocdj.jpg~original)
The captains are metals HYW figs from Black Tree Design, and who'd have thought the heater shields fell off just as I'm out of superglue!
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Ogrob on February 20, 2017, 01:37:12 PM
Love the selection of houses. I mean, Stokeworth, awesome! :D
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: tomrommel1 on February 20, 2017, 02:29:08 PM
 :-* :-*
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: arget8 on February 20, 2017, 06:37:32 PM
They look fantastic! What's next for you?
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Captain Blood on February 20, 2017, 08:02:28 PM
More splendid additions. How big is the GoT collection now?
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Charlie_ on February 20, 2017, 11:54:23 PM
Nice work!

The flags flow really nicely.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on February 21, 2017, 09:08:03 AM
Thanks guys - as I said only 3/4 completed and not under the best of lighting conditions...
Nice work! The flags flow really nicely.
I've found that since I moved to acrylics, the paper flags have been turning out better. I guess its the slight plasticising effect the acrylic has that I'm able to scrunch them up and open them out into folds that look more like they are flowing naturally.
More splendid additions. How big is the GoT collection now?
A very good question Captain... a tad under 500 I reckon
Crownlands (36 figs)
Rosby, Rykker and Stokeworth
Reach (36 figs)
Leygood, Fossoway#1, Fossoway#2
Riverlands (72 figs)
Tully, Frey, Piper, Bracken, Mallister, Blackwood
Westerlands(96 figs - but at present at about 50%)
Lannister x2, Clegane, Brax, Crakehall, Marbrand, Lefford and Swyft
The North (108 figs - but at present at approx 60%)
Stark, Karstark, Bolton, Tallhart, Umber, Glover, Ryswell, Cerwyn, Hornwood
and I am planning a lesser house composed of skirmishing archers and a 6 man unit of House Dustin, Slate and Stour.
Ironborn(30 figs to date)
The Wall and Beyond
About 24 wildlings, a dozen Nights Watch, a Giant, a mammoth, Varymr Sixskins on a bear, 30 wights and 6 Others
Essos
20 Unsullied and 6 Astapori archers
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They look fantastic! What's next for you?
I was late to acquire Fireforge feudals, so there has been something of a seismic shift in my allocation of models to various regions. After the success of my Karstarks I'm planning to use the majority to bolster the strength of the Northern houses and many of the more southern looking WOTR troops have migrated to bolster the numbers of the Riverlands and Westerlands houses.
I've also been slowly acquiring and retasking cavalry and experimenting with different combinations. Wanting to preserve as many Perry unbarded horses as possible I've had success adding Perry horse armour to LOTR rohirrim horses with Perry and Fireforge heads. I've started painting up some GW Bretonnian 5th ed. knights as Westerlands leaders and am experimenting with Perry/LotR/GW and Battlemasters mashups. Perry light cavalry and Fireforge mounted sergeants will provide the bulk of the cavalry with more armoured Perry MAA as leaders. And of course I have 6 Celtic Dothraki sculpts to complete as well as my take on Vargo Hoat and several LOTR/Perry riders to assign to Northern houses.
I think there's plenty to keep me busy for quite some time. D :o lol
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Dilettante Gamer on February 25, 2017, 12:02:22 AM
Holy Guacamole!

I fall off the hobby wagon for a half year and look at what you accomplish, Sukhe!!  :o :o :o

PRODIGIOUS

At this point, I bow to the wisdom of your approach in creating unit-sized groups for each minor house grouped under 1-2 elite units for the major houses.

(https://cdn.meme.am/cache/instances/folder703/26471703.jpg)
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Dilettante Gamer on February 25, 2017, 12:04:30 AM
By the way sukhe_bator, have you seen my new thread of my ASOIAF project? Perhaps it's not good etiquette to advertise my own thread in someone else's, but I know you will be interested. I'm posting my finished Riverlands units as they get photographed, so far I have Tully, Mooton and Vance up - on my new blog too. http://theriverlandsatwar.blogspot.com

Added your blog link to the GoT honor roll sticky...
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on March 06, 2017, 09:31:10 AM
Part of my New Year's Resolution was to look at the cavalry element of my armies. Up until recently I was having trouble reconciling a 6 figure unit and selecting appropriate figures and components and allocating them to particular Houses.
Having had some success resurrecting crippled LOTR Rohirrim horses using a pinvice and bent paperclips. I've even added Perry WOTR armour components and Fireforge horse heads. This keeps more WOTR horses free to represent light cavalry models. Fireforge horses can also take converted Rohirrim riders who will form part of mounted contingents from the North.
I switched attentions to GW 5th Ed. Bretonnians to represent the more ornately helmed Westerlands knights.
I've also had some success supercharging some old Battlemasters cavalry using 5th and 6th Ed. parts, and with a few minor Perry embellishments these will represents knights of the Vale.

Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: LordOdo on March 06, 2017, 01:14:03 PM
Curious to see the results of that!
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on March 07, 2017, 08:42:30 AM
For the benefit of LordOdo and others.
The battlemasters horses have a likeable charging pose, and decently modelled barding. The mounted knights are heavily armoured but the heads are somewhat squat. I've made some minor alterations by mashing them with compatible 5th and 6th Ed. GW Bretonnian lances and heads. They are suitably different in armour style to make an all mounted contingent of knights of the Vale. I have yet to decide whether to sculpt cloaks - I'd welcome your thoughts guys. I plan to model 5 knights declarant with quartered arms on the barding and a standard bearer with banners of Arryn over Stark  ;).
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMG_0622_zpsx9gof0cz.jpg~original)
At the rear, a knight with a Perry helmeted head with plume and a 5th Ed. Bretonnian helmed knight. I plan to seat the head better with the addition of a greenstuff gorget. In font of him, my only attempt at adding a greenstuff visor.
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMG_0623_zpsf9xpakfd.jpg~original)
And a variety of 2nd hand GW Rohirrim horses clad in Perry WOTR horse armour with Perry horse heads prior to detailing and tidying up with green stuff. The addition of armour bulks out the figure making the Perry horse head addition less noticeable, but allows for a variety of poses and heads with or without shaffrons... note the leg reinforcement with a former made from drilling out the hooves and bending metal paperclips and gluing them to a circular base. The trick is to bend the wire in such a way as to provide max. stability and support. Any minor losses of hooves etc will be sculpted with greenstuff. Hopefully the extra support will prevent future breakages which are a common flaw with this pose of horse.
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMG_0625_zpsudwdfomo.jpg~original)
Another couple of horses, this time the one on the left is a GW Rohan horse with a Fireforge head
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMG_0624_zpsllknugbe.jpg~original)
And an assortment of Northern cavalry made from converted GW Rohirrim riders with Perry parts on Fireforge horses with the saddle horns shaved off. The horse on the front left has a Perry horse head. Minor gaps will be made good with greenstuff.
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMG_0626_zpsdbf7ntan.jpg~original)
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: arget8 on March 07, 2017, 02:09:30 PM
They look promising. It will be easier to see how they work once you get paint on them, so get to work! I personally plan on using the Perry cav for everything, but the mounted sergeants will be a little bit of green stuff work to look the part. I see the Northern houses as more likely to have cloaks across the board, with the Southern houses only having them for the lords and what fancy boys. The Rohan riders may actually work pretty good for Dornish, with the scaled and quilted armor. They look quite promising. Some head and arm swaps may be in order.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: tomrommel1 on March 07, 2017, 02:16:33 PM
nice mash ups there !!!
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Dilettante Gamer on March 07, 2017, 07:20:03 PM
Love the variety in the kit-bashing, Sukhe!!
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Dilettante Gamer on March 07, 2017, 07:20:34 PM
Love the variety in the kit-bashing, Sukhe - particularly those Rohirrim coversions!!
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on March 08, 2017, 09:42:35 AM
goaded on by arget8, the knights of the Vale have bumped the painting queue. I decided on proceeding sans cloaks, so they got undercoated last night and instantly looked a whole lot better. The lance pennons and horse bardings have received their inaugural sky blue coat. I'm quartering the individual House sigils with that of house Arryn. This will give them a more unified look, something akin to a military order. This fits my mind's eye view of the Vale as a somewhat isolated community where regional customs and identity probably developed a little differently from that of the rest of Westeros. The Houses I've chosen are from descriptions of the Lords Declarant in A Feast For Crows, who with the exception of Royce, are reasonably well described by Martin.
House Belmore - 'six silver bells on purple' (AFFC, p.378)
House Corbray - '3 ravens, each clutching a red heart in its talons' [field colour NK] (AFFC, p.378)
House Redfort - 'a red castle' [field colour NK] (AFFC, p.377)
House Templeton - 'nine black stars within a golden saltire' [field colour NK] (AFFC, p.378)
House Hunter - 'five silver arrows fanned' [field colour NK] (AFFC, p.378)
The 6th man will be a standard bearer carrying the House Arryn banner
'the banner the riders carried before them, the moon and falcon of House Arryn, sky blue and white' (GOT, p.348)
In order to remain in keeping with the rest of the unit, those houses without a stated field colour, in keeping with real world heraldic precedents, will have sky blue showing their affiliation to House Arryn. The overall look will be somewhat akin to descriptions of Imrahil half-elven and the knights of Dol Amroth in LOTR.
'his horse and his armour were grey' (GOT, p.350)
'sky blue cloaks and silvery mail shirts' (GOT, p.373)
'a stocky, silver haired man in a sky blue cloak and hammered moon and falcon breastplate... Ser Vardis Egen, Captain of John Arryn's household guard' (GOT, p.362)
And the precedent for a double banner, which seems to be a common device in ASOIAF...
'Her uncle sent a standard bearer ahead of them, a double banner flying from his staff, the moon and falcon of House Arryn on high, and below it his own black fish' (GOT, p.355)




 
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: arget8 on March 08, 2017, 12:42:25 PM
Oooooh, this is exciting! What will the force comp look like? I imagine the Vale as having lots of knights, archers, and skilled infantry. My impression of them is that they are a well respected and competent force overall with the Knights of the Vale being talked about all the time. Since they are in the mountains, I expect that the archers are plentiful and skilled as well. I expect that since the population of the Vale is relatively low compared to the rest of the Seven Kingdoms, they will tend to have more actual soldiers and fewer levies, meaning you get less cheap infantry. If this was a Lion Rampant list I would make it something like this:

Mounted MAA- 6
Mounted MAA- 6
Foot Sergeants- 4
Archers- 4
Archers- 4

or

Mounted MAA- 6
Mounted MAA- 6
Expert Foot Sergeants- 6
Expert Archers- 6

This will put them on the lower end, numbers-wise, but they will be pretty hard hitting and steadfast.

Not sure what you had planned, but this is just the image I have of them in my head.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: arget8 on March 08, 2017, 12:50:39 PM
goaded on by arget8,

Also, I don't know if I would say goaded, more like gently inspired  lol
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on March 08, 2017, 12:51:49 PM
OK, gently inspired by arget8 lol lol lol
At present I envisage just an allied mounted contingent a la 'Battle of the Bastards' from S6 of the TV series... Since the Vale is as yet uncommitted in the Books, I figure they will put in some sort of an appearance in Winds of Winter...
I am already committed to fielding 6 to 12 LR/DR units of Northern Houses, 6 to 8 of Riverlands, 6 to 8 of Crownlands & the Reach and about 12 units of Westerlings, I'll have my hands pretty full organising and painting cavalry to accompany these factions... ;D

Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: arget8 on March 08, 2017, 01:02:19 PM
OK, gently inspired by arget8 lol lol lol
At present I envisage just an allied mounted contingent a la 'Battle of the Bastards' from S6 of the TV series... Since the Vale is as yet uncommitted in the Books, I figure they will put in some sort of an appearance in Winds of Winter...
I am already committed to fielding 6 to 12 LR/DR units of Northern Houses, 6 to 8 of Riverlands, 6 to 8 of Crownlands & the Reach and about 12 units of Westerlings, I'll have my hands pretty full organising and painting cavalry to accompany these factions... ;D



That sounds good. Once you eventually decide to do wars from before the books the Vale will come in handy, though  lol.

Now, do you mean mounted units when you say units or just units in general?
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on March 08, 2017, 02:12:20 PM
That's mostly infantry units of 12 figures per House comprising;
1 Captain
1 Standard bearer
2 MAA
2 spearmen or pikemen
4 archers
2 crossbowmen or in the case of the Northern Houses, 2 additional archers.

In addition mounted units comprising at least 1 captain, 1 banner bearer and 1 MAA. Thus an average faction combining 6 Houses would also field at least 1 unit of 6 cavalry, and ultimately 3. Though whether I will ever achieve 18 cavalry per faction is a moot point.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on March 08, 2017, 02:35:12 PM
Having spent an hour painting the Vale knights, I've revised my thinking about the heraldry of a couple of the Houses.
House Redfort would probably work better with a red castle on a white field, but without the red bordure embattled which is a product of the semi-canon 'Citadel'.
House Hunter according to the semi-canon sources is a fan of silver arrows on brown/tan. Brown is never a popular colour. A more traditional heraldic colour for huntin-shootin-fishin emblems would be green (as for example with House Tarly). However I'm going to stick to the sky blue field of House Arryn as with House Templeton. which looks good with a yellow saltire on a sky blue field.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on March 08, 2017, 04:06:51 PM
This is kinda the look I'm aiming for...
https://cdnb.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/003/076/151/large/fadly-romdhani-knights-of-the-vale.jpg?1469371746
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on March 09, 2017, 08:43:03 AM
Regarding House Tarly, I followed up the sources for the Tarly sigil in Jon's initial meeting with Sam Tarly before he dons the black in GOT. I can find no mention of the green field...
'A striding huntsman had been worked in scarlet thread upon the breast of the fat boy's fur trimmed surcoat.' (GOT, p.251)
'even a great wood and leather shield blazoned with the same striding huntsman he wore on his surcoat.' (GOT, p.252)
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: arget8 on March 09, 2017, 01:07:20 PM
Hmmm...I guess we will have to do some more research. Have you looked at when Brienne goes to either Maidenpool or Saltpans (can't remember which) and meets Randyll Tarly?
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Dilettante Gamer on March 11, 2017, 01:15:48 AM
That's mostly infantry units of 12 figures per House comprising;
1 Captain
1 Standard bearer
2 MAA
2 spearmen or pikemen
4 archers
2 crossbowmen or in the case of the Northern Houses, 2 additional archers.

In addition mounted units comprising at least 1 captain, 1 banner bearer and 1 MAA. Thus an average faction combining 6 Houses would also field at least 1 unit of 6 cavalry, and ultimately 3. Though whether I will ever achieve 18 cavalry per faction is a moot point.

As I come back to my on GoT project, I'm really rethinking my approach to making retinues all primary house.  Although I would like the major house to have predominant numbers in any unit, particularly the elites. e.g. 3 models in a Stark unit of MAA or Mounted MAA unit are in the colors/arms of that house - So the captain, the banner bearer and one other model.  Then one each from Mormont, Umber, Glover.  In a unit of 12, maybe 4 Starks and then 2 models for each of the sworn houses. This would certainly approximate the medieval "Lance". 
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Captain Blood on March 11, 2017, 09:02:41 AM
That is a tempting way to do it...
Must admit, having painted about 50 Starks, they can get a bit boring!  ;D
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: arget8 on March 11, 2017, 02:53:32 PM
As I come back to my on GoT project, I'm really rethinking my approach to making retinues all primary house.  Although I would like the major house to have predominant numbers in any unit, particularly the elites. e.g. 3 models in a Stark unit of MAA or Mounted MAA unit are in the colors/arms of that house - So the captain, the banner bearer and one other model.  Then one each from Mormont, Umber, Glover.  In a unit of 12, maybe 4 Starks and then 2 models for each of the sworn houses. This would certainly approximate the medieval "Lance". 


That's about what I've gone for. The Freys have 3 sworn houses, so they split it equally with half Freys and half sworn houses. The Boltons only have two, so things will be a little different with them.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on March 13, 2017, 12:16:12 PM
I think I will be aiming for 2 mounted figures per House initially, which will achieve 12 cavalry in 2 x 6 figure units for any given faction.
I'm also planning to have a mounted herald or two. In the case of the Lannisters, it will be my take on Josmyn Peckledon. In AFFC and ADWD he squires for Jaime and carries the rainbow peace banner of the seven stars. He will have his own arms on a heater shield (10 purple mullets on a yellow field), and ride a barded horse quartered with the Baratheon/Lannister arms - altogether a colourful figure I am quite looking forward to painting up.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: tomrommel1 on March 13, 2017, 02:40:15 PM
Thats the approach I do as well. I painted a few great house units ( Stark and Lannister) and will let them grow by adding lesser houses ( Glover, Brax etc)
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on March 13, 2017, 03:57:26 PM
The 6 Battlemasters knights are coming along nicely, and I've nearly finished the outline colours and heraldry. I'll post a couple of wip shots when I'm satisfied they will bear scrutiny. Emboldened by how well they appear to be evolving, I raided my bits box again over the weekend and reckon I can field another unit of 6 Battlemasters/GW barded knights mashups...
I've checked the Wiki but apart from one or two extras the heraldry for the other Vale knights are mostly purely semi-canon confections based on vague and tentative references.
I can however add House Waynwood, 'deep green, a broken wheel' (AFFC, p.377) [in the wiki the wheel is black, but I may make it dark brown]
House Royce, Bronze Royce, Lord of Runestone has no heraldry described in the books other than a penchant for wearing bronze armour emblazoned with runes. I'm tempted to have a plain bronze shield, with the impression of runes following in the spirit of the book, not necessarily following the Wiki.
Tyrion spots a number of other sigils at his Trial in the Eyrie...
'others sported sigils he did not know, a broken lance, green viper, burning tower, winged chalice' (GOT, p.405).
The Wiki has elaborated on these further, but I plan to stick to the spirit of the books and do my own versions. Taken altogether, I can easily make another mounted unit from this pool of sigils.
I have no immediate plans on fielding infantry forces for these, being more inspired by recycling the models I have. However, arget8 has me looking at the Battlemasters Reiksguard more closely with a view to conversions that could potentially add 18 professional looking halberdiers along the lines of these...
https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/02/7e/47/027e47fb430f808a84d49f983f076fd3.jpg
I'm sure with a little work I could introduce sufficient variation to make a viable looking unit.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on April 06, 2017, 07:51:11 AM
Some hazy w.i.p. shots (apologies for the atrocious camera work) of the knights of the Vale, mashups of Battlemasters with GW 5th and 6th Ed. Bretonnians and a couple of small Perry touches... House Hunter, 'burning tower', Templeton, Corbray, Arryn with double standard, Redfort and Belmore
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG1831_zps09i9skob.jpg~original)
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG1830_zpsf9urqrzl.jpg~original)
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG1829_zpsc1i9b2we.jpg~original)
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG1828_zpsukrtbr7o.jpg~original)
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG1827_zpss1qa5sju.jpg~original)
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG1826_zpstq8hbokm.jpg~original)
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG1825_zpsbfjq3zu9.jpg~original)
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Askellad on April 06, 2017, 12:59:44 PM
Waw, inspirational
I have the same idea with the rangers for Nightwatch but i dont have buy them  o_o
Nice idea for the rohirrim horsemen, I think that LOTR figures are good for cheap GoT conversions.

Well done,

Askellad
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Ogrob on April 06, 2017, 02:24:55 PM
Very nice heraldry!
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Dilettante Gamer on April 06, 2017, 06:27:24 PM
Hells bells! I love your split barding heraldry!!
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on April 10, 2017, 07:36:11 AM
Glad you like them DG. They look pretty gruesome close up compared to many other far more talented individuals out there and those who successfully use decals (which I have never gotten on with).
Actually the split heraldry look partly came out of my study of European and Samurai heraldry. I picked up a book on Spanish heraldry many years ago. Many of the crusading orders had a sub-order of confrere knights. They were allowed to sport their own heraldry but also had to show their affiliation to the order through heraldry. MSS illustrations show devices quartered with the order's own charge and quartered bardings etc.
Similarly some Samurai clans had rigid systems of heraldry (like the Hojo) with the same device but colour coded to signify different contingents, while other clans (Takeda) had feudal lords sporting their own devices which extended down to the rank and file.
I wanted to show the knights of the Vale as a unified body, but not the cop out of showing just the Arryn sigil. My Lannister barded knights will have their house sigils on all 4 quarters.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: tomrommel1 on April 10, 2017, 02:39:58 PM
very nice additions
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Captain Blood on April 10, 2017, 06:11:49 PM
Yep  :)
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on April 25, 2017, 01:19:57 PM
Needless to say these will require extensive reworking and repainting... I just can't get the opacity of colour that I could with enamels, and my brushwork shows up every stroke. Using the artist acrylics is akin to watercolour painting for me and I'm having to lay on so many layers, it is sorely trying my patience...
Until I have more workspace I shall probably shelve these for now and concentrate on some other builds or more mundane army building for my LoTR forces...
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on July 26, 2017, 07:39:16 AM
Well, I've got some LOTR army-building out of my system and have finally gravitated back to ASOIAF.
On the paint bench at work, my take on Vargo Hoat, plus mounted Northern bannermen comprised of mashups of GW LOTR Rohirrim with Perry heads and arms and on horse swaps. I'm reserving some Fireforge cavalry for Stark and Bolton.
I'm painting up one representative of each house for starters, and will initially muster 2 x 6 mounted units. From among the lesser houses I have Karstark, Cerwyn, Manderly and Glover under the brush atm, and will start on Tallhart, Hornwood, Ryswell, Umber and probably Stout and possibly Flint.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on September 28, 2017, 03:39:47 PM
During the summer break I went on a mammoth post birthday binge assembling more infantry. The Westerlands had been sorely depleted by my recent reorganisation of my Crownlands and Riverlands forces, so I used a box of Perry WOTR English to bolster the numbers of the 12 houses. Rolling off the production line are some 30 archers and crossbowmen to complete the 12 man House units comprising leader, standard bearer, 4 bill/pike, 4 bow and 2 crossbow.
Not having a definite gaming goal in mind, I'm finding it hard to stick with one batch at a time, so I am banking a large number of nearly completed units. :-[
It helps concentrate the mind that following a massive upheaval at home I have no playing area to game and only minimal temporary work space for basing and assembly etc.
I discovered the many delights and tribulations of plastic figure assembly in the summer sunshine(such as it was) with sudden gusts, cats jumping companionably onto the garden table etc. and associated searching for bits in the grass. Nonetheless I've significantly added to the troop count, but have currently run out of spray undercoat.
I have vowed to completely paint the Westerlands troops entirely at work before I move onto the next batch (I must be strong!).
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on September 28, 2017, 03:48:01 PM
Some hazy w.i.p. shots (apologies for the atrocious camera work) of the knights of the Vale, mashups of Battlemasters with GW 5th and 6th Ed. Bretonnians and a couple of small Perry touches... House Hunter, 'burning tower', Templeton, Corbray, Arryn with double standard, Redfort and Belmore
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG1831_zps09i9skob.jpg~original)
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG1830_zpsf9urqrzl.jpg~original)
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG1829_zpsc1i9b2we.jpg~original)
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG1828_zpsukrtbr7o.jpg~original)
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG1827_zpss1qa5sju.jpg~original)
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG1826_zpstq8hbokm.jpg~original)
(http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x200/sukhe_bator/IMAG1825_zpsbfjq3zu9.jpg~original)
Still to come, House Royce, Waynwood, 'green viper', 'winged chalice' and 'broken lance'
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Post by: sukhe_bator on September 28, 2017, 03:51:43 PM
Don't ask me what just happened there ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Devoted of Slaanesh on September 28, 2017, 05:21:37 PM
They want money...
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Plynkes on September 28, 2017, 05:30:46 PM
Photobucket no longer allows 3rd party hosting with a free account. You want to link to your pics on Photobucket now, you have to pay them. Folks have not been best pleased the last couple of months, because overnight half the pictures on the internet went dark.

Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Hupp n at em on September 28, 2017, 06:08:02 PM
Use imgur! Works a treat.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Hammers on September 29, 2017, 06:23:31 AM
I wish the forum machine allowed for blocking certain urls. These photobucket images really befouls the forum.
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Post by: Andym on September 29, 2017, 07:52:34 AM
Can I suggest a fix?

Just copy and repeatedly paste the text.....

~original

......into your posted images. Just 'modify' your post and add that after .jpg. So......

........zpswnla8hmk.jpg[/img][/URL]

Becomes......

.......zpswnla8hmk.jpg~original[/img][/URL]

Hope that helps!
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on September 29, 2017, 01:01:18 PM
Andym... you are a star!
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: LordOdo on September 29, 2017, 01:17:32 PM
Wowie, they look magnificent! I bet they would look very impressive all together when charging an hostile unit!!
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on September 29, 2017, 01:23:43 PM
Ta, LordOdo
I will have 2 x 6 mounted units for DR/LR. I still have a lot of resurrecting to do rebasing Battlemasters and GW 5th Ed horses. I shall mix and match the riders where I can.
I've got my first batch of Vale infantry almost assembled...Fireforge MAA with kettle hats brandishing Perry WOTR Halberds. You can get some good high porte and low porte poses with a little work...
A unit of 12 crossbowmen, 12 archers and probably a unit of pavise equipped Fireforge spearmen are also in the pipeline
I feel like re-animator... Pages 9 onwards images now reinstated... shame the images aren't up to much :?
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Andym on September 29, 2017, 03:48:03 PM
Andym... you are a star!

No problem! I Hate to see my favourite place on the interweb messed up by something as piddly as Photobucket! ;)
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Darathar on October 01, 2017, 06:04:12 AM
Great stuff there loving the heraldry! I really wish GW didn't axe their Bretonnian line... I guess it just wasn't quite space marine enough for them  :(
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on October 02, 2017, 07:44:05 AM
I know what you mean Darathar. The GW Bretonnians got me back into fantasy gaming and the added realism introduced by historical touches by the Perrys etc. made them the first hard plastic 'historicals' I worked with. I'm now really regretting parting with 30 surplus archers a few years back! :? :'( :(
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Post by: sukhe_bator on October 25, 2017, 07:52:18 AM
Something of an experiment sans blog and sans image hosting, but here goes...
My take on Vargo Hoat nearing completion...
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Post by: sukhe_bator on October 25, 2017, 07:54:25 AM
And waiting in the wings to be completed on my workbench, my Westerlands host...
On the Front Left... Clegane and Lefford, behind them Swyft and Crakehall, and Jast and Westerling at the back. On the Front Right 2 x 12 units of Lannister, with Prester and Brax behind and Marbrand and Bettley in the rear
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Post by: Magos Kasen on October 25, 2017, 10:29:41 AM
They look great!
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Wellington Bonaparte on October 25, 2017, 01:27:40 PM
I love your take on Vargo Hoat, the Zoarse (excuse spelling)  is superb!!
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Captain Blood on October 25, 2017, 03:39:38 PM
Excellent. I need a Vargo Hoat...  8)
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on October 25, 2017, 03:45:08 PM
We should put together everyone's versions -
and then we'll have a Qohorum! lol ;D
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on January 12, 2018, 08:42:58 AM
After the winter break, 2018 has been officially designated the 'Year of the Homestead'. Watching my kids wandering around the wonderful world building in games like 'Skyrim' and 'Witcher' has galvanised me into action. After many false starts and grandiose construction schemes and not much progress with the more mundane everyday dwellings I have finally brought together my entire collection of scratchbuilt and resin houses. The plan is to take these to completion to be able to recreate a village compatible with my LoTR or GOT figures.
I currently have 4 Gripping Beast thatched buildings, 2 Zvezda 20mm Russian timber cabins, 2 scratchbuilt timber framed houses currently on the work bench and 2 dark age huts to add to my lonely hall and sept... I also plan to make a forge and Phase II will be populating these with a variety of civilians / smallfolk
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Post by: Coenus Scaldingus on January 12, 2018, 09:06:07 AM
Missed the previous update, nice Vargo you you have there - when sourcing bits for my own version (one day...) I'm pretty sure that exact same head was among the ones I had when narrowing down the selection to the best 2 or 3! It's the long goatee I guess. Not massively looking forward to painting a gazillion stripes though...
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on January 12, 2018, 09:59:26 AM
Not massively looking forward to painting a gazillion stripes though...
I hear you - especially as I have a couple more Zorses to do for my planned 'Bloody Mummers' unit
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on April 09, 2018, 08:06:20 AM
Taking advantage of a brief break in the typical UK spring weather, some w.i.p. shots of two Westerosi timber framed buildings I have scratchbuilt. Balsa, scrap wood and matchstick framing and shingles over a foamcore shell, with Milliput daub infill and sculpted stone footings.
One building has a jetty on two sides and has a decorative dragon post. The second build is styled and a shop front at one end with an upper dwelling which will be accessed via an external wooden staircase.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Andym on April 09, 2018, 08:10:19 AM
Nice addition! :-*
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Ogrob on April 09, 2018, 04:16:12 PM
Some great buildings, it will look brill on the table.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on December 17, 2018, 10:28:41 AM
After a long hiatus, I returned to 25mm and Westeros at the end of summer with a vengeance and worked on finishing a number of buildings, as well as starting a few new projects... the two timber framed houses from earlier posts, a new build of a medieval post mill, a partially completed moot hall and a stable block which will form part of an inn. The inn is L shaped and will feature oriel windows a wooden gallery and external wooden staircase and possibly dormer windows.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on December 17, 2018, 10:32:04 AM
These builds are all shell-only construction and I've condensed the scale to 4mm:foot so the doors and windows are a little underscale for 25mm figures. They are designed to add character and interfere with line of sight etc. in skirmish games.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Ogrob on December 17, 2018, 11:07:34 AM
Lovely stuff. Welcome back to GRRM-land.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on December 17, 2018, 11:12:55 AM
Lovely stuff. Welcome back to GRRM-land.
Thanks Ogrob, it has been awhile... Since I ran out of steam (pardon the pun) with my Transcaspian railway conversions in 15mm, I've been itching to continue my 25mm world building. I was acutely aware of the number of half started/finished projects I had from the spring. I caught the timber framing bug when I discovered I could use hi-grab solvent free glues for my constructions, rather than the smelly cheap clear glues I had been previously. They had restricted my build time to the fine weather (or at least warm and dry enough to open the patio doors!)
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: AKULA on January 27, 2019, 11:02:30 AM
{bump}

Any photos of your Unsullied .... you might be the only one to have put some together so far from what I can see?

 :)
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Bloggard on January 27, 2019, 02:28:08 PM
going back a while in time now - but love the pic a page or two back of your figs in tin lids!
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on February 06, 2019, 02:13:50 PM
Not any photos as yet, but they are basically converted Warlord Carthaginians and I was going to have a go at sculpting the Indian face guards from the TV series.
In the books they are described as having a pair of spears and leather armour, with rank badges of one, two or three central spikes on their helmets so I envisaged them more like later peltasts http://home.exetel.com.au/thrace/iphicrat.htm
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: AKULA on February 06, 2019, 06:18:45 PM
Not any photos as yet, but they are basically converted Warlord Carthaginians and I was going to have a go at sculpting the Indian face guards from the TV series.

Photos....please.....photos....need inspiration .....

 :D
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on April 01, 2019, 10:11:35 AM
Having used up my budget at Skirmish earlier this year I am being very good and avoiding the temptation of Salute and concentrating on my existing plastic and metal mountain.
After a lengthy break I am reconfiguring my Middle Earth and Westeros collections for Lion/Dragon Rampant. I have almost completed repainting 6 x 6 figure Eoreds of GW Rohirrim, assembled from various Bring and Buys and conversions and repairs over the years. They will join my venerable collection of 24 Mithril Miniatures RoR once I have addressed leg breakages etc. that seem to have cursed all versions of Rohirrim over the decades. I have just now finished assembling a 24-36 pt Dunlending host. The book versions had a definite Dark Age Pictish tribal vibe so I have used GB Dark Age cavalry and infantry with a few characterful Copplestone barbarians as heroes and chieftains and some Celtic bits and bobs thrown in. There is even a renegade Rohan rider in the mix disguised with a new head! The wolfshead draco standard will do well as the notional sigil for Wulf Frecasson who briefly usurped Edoras (TA 2758-9) but I can also use the host for a Helms Deep refight as well as various skirmishes etc. as LR/DR intended. The force comprises 3 x 6 cavalry (including a Mtd Chieftain's retinue), 2 x 12 axe and spear wielding warbands, probably designated 'fierce foot', a 6 fig unit of elite axe-wielding ne'er do wells, and a unit of 12 scruffy archers. I may well throw in a unit of wardogs on a work placement from the Boltons for good measure... something bitey to keep the Rohirrim on their toes... Next up I will be revisiting and finishing off those all important Orkish legions of Saruman. Then the whole host of the White Hand can go on safari for horseflesh...or better.   
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Post by: sukhe_bator on April 02, 2019, 01:54:04 PM
I've taken a leaf out of others' playbooks and converted and re-tasked some figures from my spares box. 24 GW Minas Tirith guard have been given a makeover as Goldcloaks. The mail and plate armour seems better suited for Westeros than Middle Earth imho. I've whittled off the white tree motifs, substituted Perry WOTR sallets for the ideosyncratic helmets and added Fireforge cloaks. Two figures have been promoted to officers and equipped with pollaxe and mace respectively. The book descriptions state that the cloaks are woollen, so the 'gold' colour is less gold lame/satin and more a robust golden yellow/tawney shade. The  squared off Minas Tirith shield shapes look quite pavise-like which suits a militia/city watch. The rank and file have pale yellow tunics and signal yellow painted shields. The two officers have the book heraldry of 4 golden discs on a sable background, which I hope to repeat on their breastplates. With blackened armour and black leatherwork they make a couple of striking units.
I have organised them for LR/DR into 2 units of 12, a mixed weapons unit including 5 archers, a commander and 6 spears, and a unit of men at arms with spears and swords. They will coming off the painting line shortly and I'll post pics weather permitting.
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Post by: Dilettante Gamer on April 02, 2019, 02:45:04 PM
Eagerly awaiting pics. After a long hiatus due to some significant life changes, I've dug my Westeros and LotR projects out of deep storage. Finishing up building Tully and Arryn forces for LR/DR and, after that, want to finish painting my Greyjoy raiders.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on April 02, 2019, 03:18:14 PM
Eagerly awaiting pics. After a long hiatus due to some significant life changes, I've dug my Westeros and LotR projects out of deep storage.
Nice to see you back on the board, DG. I've been off the grid for such a long time now. I took a back stage last year to concentrate on some work related projects which took up much of my spare time with some real-world toys (see pic), but have been tinkering away on scenery and figures for both Westeros and Middle Earth for a while now.
I'm leaning towards a DBA-like solo campaign with the ability to field multiple LR/DR armies representing various factions in both universes. I'm not sure quite how to organise it or the mechanics, but the kernel of an idea is there possibly using a network or web citing march distances allowing you to write orders and send forces to seize or hold objectives and thus create the opportunity for random encounters and battles.
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Post by: sukhe_bator on April 24, 2019, 08:52:30 AM
A recent reappraisal of my forces in the Easter sunshine... Duskendale alliance contingents intended to face Tallhart and Glover's Northern assault on the Crownlands. Forces from L to R House Leygood, Rosby, Fossoway#1, Fossoway#2, Stokeworth and Rykker. Now the final organisation has been completed, time to take each house in turn and finish off the details before varnishing...
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: AKULA on April 24, 2019, 09:01:50 AM
It’s great to see them lined up for battle - what rules are you going to use?

Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on April 24, 2019, 09:24:30 AM
And the Westerlands, which at full strength will be 12 houses strong...
Back row (from L to R) House Prester, Swyft, Marbrand, Jast and Crakehall, Front row (L to R) House Westerling, Lefford, Clegane, Lannister (x2), Brax and Bettley. Just one additional house to represent ideally from book descriptions only. Martin can be surprisingly vague on such matters and concentrates on the sigils, but not necessarily their colours or the field colours. He also has a pechant for combining un-heraldic metals and tinctures. Each House is composed of 4 bow, 2 crossbow, CO and Standard bearer, 2 bill and 2 pike. These will be combined into mixed or single arms units. To answer Akula's question, I'm looking to use Dragon/Lion Rampant, with bolt-on campaign rules (tbc) and house rules for field defences and rudimentary sieges. I plan to include separate bases/stands of pavises for the crossbowmen in due course.
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Post by: sukhe_bator on April 24, 2019, 09:38:53 AM
The Riverlands, who are currently somewhat understrength from my recent unit reorganisation, but will also ultimately be represented by 12 houses each of 12 men, but with 6 bow instead of crossbowmen. The back row will be House Haigh, Erenford, Charlton and Smallwood. The Front row (L to R) are House Frey, Piper, Mallister, Tully, Blackwood, Paege and Bracken. The 12th House will probably be House Whent since Darry was wiped out quite early on in proceedings...   
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Post by: sukhe_bator on April 24, 2019, 10:44:16 AM
Last but by no means least, The North. This was the first faction I started building before Fireforge introduced some fab C13 figures and then along came the Perry Azincourt ranges... 10 later-looking Perry pike conversions will be joining my Riverlands host to be replaced by more appropriately dressed and equipped bill and spearmen morphed from Fireforge and Perry C13-C15 combos.
Back row (L to R) w.i.p. House Cerwyn and Dustin, with Glover, Hornwood and Ryswell. Front row (L to R) House Stark, Tallhart, Karstark, Umber and Bolton. Manderly and Mormont will form the last 2 Houses to make up a 12 House faction.
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Post by: HappyChappy439 on April 24, 2019, 07:14:18 PM
Really impressive forces! Looking excellent!

Excellent banners too! I like your interpretation of the Hornwood Moose!
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Post by: AKULA on April 24, 2019, 08:32:14 PM
It’s not just the scale of the project - 500 odd figures - but the range of different Houses that makes it so impressive.

 :o
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Post by: gibby64 on April 24, 2019, 09:04:28 PM
What a great project. Well done.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Dilettante Gamer on April 24, 2019, 09:35:05 PM
Sukhe back with a tour de force!!!

Man, oh man! You are the wind beneath my GoT project wings. 

What I particularly appreciate is your inclusion of the many banners for each major house.

BRA-VO <slow clap>
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Post by: Coenus Scaldingus on April 25, 2019, 03:32:08 PM
A most glorious sight!
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Captain Blood on April 26, 2019, 06:58:57 AM
An amazing spread to see them all together like that. What a great project  8)
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on April 26, 2019, 07:40:43 AM
Thanks one and all, and my inspiration came from the likes of you and your ongoing projects. I'm only sorry I can't show better photos since I'm not tech savvy. I have some more detailed and some pics of more scenics I've worked on but the file sizes are too large for the attachment thingy.
My main problem has been my desire to represent the major Houses using proxy figures from an era where surcoats and shields were rarer. I'm hoping the crossbowman pavises I'm planning will give me a canvas to fully express my inner herald for at least some of them.
The other decision is to stick to ASOIAF book descriptions only and avoid non-canon references where possible, many of which contain inaccuracies - chevrons the wrong way up etc. The sigil for House Charlton is depicted as 3 sprigs of holly when it is clearly stated as "Lord Charlton's 3 sprigs of mistletoe" (AFFC, p.644). This decision can present organisational as well as representational issues. The sigil for House Vance is nowhere described in the books yet he is a major leader for the Riverlands faction.
Many of the sigils for other Houses are referred to by their sigil only with no colours given. The badger of Lydden, the Heron of Erenford, the rooster of Swyft (I went with an obscure yellow chicken reference). Others have a colour reference for the sigil but still no field colour. I've put these on white field colours as a default. When the units are combined into units they look very medieval.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Captain Blood on April 26, 2019, 10:05:23 AM
Totally agree with that SB, as discussed oft before. Far too much Westerosi heraldry bandied about is pure invention by GoT fanboys and girls, and not canon. Despite the fact that some of these spin-off compendia are allegedly ‘authorized’ by the great man himself.
But given that GRRM’s approach to heraldry is pretty fanciful in the first place, this froth of third party creativity compounds the weirdness of some of the ‘sigils’ and tinctures. On top of which we also have Messrs Weiss and Benioff’s highly stylised interpretations accepted as canon by many. Which is understandable, because they look great. But they are often quite different from what is described in the novels.

Like you, I’ve stuck to what’s described in the novels. Pretty easy in my case, since I’ve only modelled the big main houses in my modest collection, and not the myriad of little ones. But I salute your rigour in sticking to the genuine source material across so many different houses! 8)
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on April 26, 2019, 10:40:51 AM
It’s not just the scale of the project - 500 odd figures - but the range of different Houses that makes it so impressive.
It started off modestly enough, but after a box of this and a box of that it soon adds up, particularly if you stash away the results into metal tins out of sight in the interrim. I simply wanted to recreate the wonderfully colourful medieval look of ASOIAF. A collection of disparate factions which could be combined in a variety of ways and upscaled from skirmish to big battles really appealed. I also liked the infighting backstories in the books like the feuding between Bracken and Blackwood. My Middle Earth collections by contrast are predominantly black and white, blue and white, green grey and brown, black and red, or red, with no actual differencing or complex heraldry. This recent photoshoot has been one of the few opportunities to get everything out to have a troop review. I'm shocked by the amount as well. No wonder the project is taking ages - and I haven't really got to grips with the cavalry yet!
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on April 26, 2019, 11:51:25 AM
An attempt to resize an image of my scratchbuilt 25mm homestead. The two dark age style huts are made from foamcore, balsa and matchsticks with milliput thatch and stonework. The log cabin is from a Pegasus 1:72 Russian peasant house kit, with milliput thatch and stone chimney. The scandinavian palisade is from kebab sticks and cocktail sticks while the stakes are retasked from the Perry English Army box
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Post by: sukhe_bator on April 26, 2019, 12:10:17 PM
And my largest build of last year, and largest ever timber framed wooden construct, 'The Three Crowns' inn with an ambitious decorated triple jetty, with wooden gallery and covered staircase connecting to a row of first storey rooms and attic rooms above. The footprint of the gallery is shown on the white foamcore template. Once I have figured out how to effect a junction with the shingle roof levels I'll fix the L shape permanently together and begin work on the gallery. There will be a separate cobbled yard and stable block. Inspiration for the gallery is taken at least in small part from the Lord Leycester Hospital in Warwick https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lord_Leycester_Hospital.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on April 26, 2019, 12:26:27 PM
The Northern houses in a tad more detail, Umber, Hornwood, Glover and Stark
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: HappyChappy439 on April 26, 2019, 05:21:04 PM
Oh! Thanks for the closeups of the Northern Houses! I'm never quite sure how to actually *do* the Umber sigil so always good to see other peoples' interpretations!

Silly question, but where are the bodies with leather cowls(?) and bald heads from? Like the Hornwood archer closest to the camera

Definitely interested to see more of your heraldry too! Some of the smaller houses are pretty lacking with the descriptions so trying to find a nice compromise between medieval authenticity and canon-compliance is pretty difficult!

Keep up the great work! 
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: AKULA on April 26, 2019, 06:13:49 PM
Some of the smaller houses are pretty lacking with the descriptions so trying to find a nice compromise between medieval authenticity and canon-compliance is pretty difficult!

Couldn’t agree more with this sentiment.

Thank you again for such an inspiring thread.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Dilettante Gamer on April 27, 2019, 08:28:54 PM
Day-yum! Those structure builds are delightful! Loving this stuff.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on April 29, 2019, 07:39:41 AM
Oh! Thanks for the closeups of the Northern Houses! I'm never quite sure how to actually *do* the Umber sigil so always good to see other peoples' interpretations! Silly question, but where are the bodies with leather cowls(?) and bald heads from? Like the Hornwood archer closest to the camera
The A Wiki Of Ice And Fire Umber giant in chains looks more King Kong like. My version is based more closely on the book descriptions of the giants. Martin paints them as more yeti-like which informed my own giant conversion from a GW LoTR Troll.
As you can see from the attachment (in this case a selection of figure mash ups that became House Frey, most of the cowls, fur collars and fur capes are simple greenstuff additions which as well as adding character can cover joins and flaws. In the case of the Hornwood archer - he has a Perry Ansar head on a WOTR archer figure.
I got a lot of inspiration from this seminal book -https://www.amazon.co.uk/Medieval-Soldier-Campaign-Recreated-Photographs/dp/1859150365 Both well respected authors draw from their extensive knowledge and experience and there is no better way to understand armour than to wear it. There are some fabulous figure studies with a wealth of costume and equipment detail that translates really well into a Westerosi setting.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: AKULA on April 29, 2019, 09:03:05 AM
Some good putty work there, the folds in the cloaks look great
 :)
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on April 29, 2019, 10:47:08 AM
It helps if you have examples to copy or take inspiration from. I have re-tasked a number of GW Rohirrim and Rangers as Northern houses and Night's Watch from which to take sculpting cues from...
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on April 30, 2019, 07:26:31 AM
The latest w.i.p. of my Westerosi/Middle Earth timber framed buildings, based and awaiting the footings and bases painted... while some require external timber stairs modelling to the upper levels to side and rear. This is proving somewhat chicken and egg, since I have to paint some areas and components first before assembly when I usually just either build or paint.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Wellington Bonaparte on April 30, 2019, 08:12:11 PM
Superb looking houses,  great painting on them to.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: CookAndrewB on April 30, 2019, 08:42:59 PM
Great buildings. Very well executed.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: AKULA on May 02, 2019, 05:56:35 AM
I’m in awe of those timber buildings - the amount of time that must have gone into them.

 8)
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on July 17, 2019, 01:26:38 PM
If you thought the buildings were labour intensive - my latest project is proving every bit as time-consuming...
W.i.p. shots of my take on one of Harry Strickland's beloved pachyderms from the Golden Company.
Spoiler Alert - The Golden Company in the books are the ASOIF equivalent of a cross between Hawkwood's White Company and John Wick, not the dragon-fodder of S8 of GOT! They were universal problem-solvers specialising in wet-work and rival-removal and in the books several elephants actually make landfall in Westeros.
For this model I wanted it to have a more Medieval European vibe than my previous Haradrim oliphaunts. I opted to design a more conventional castle on the back, and since I would not be using casualty removal, I could pack in as many figures as I could. In this case I can fit 6 crew (2 crossbowmen and 4 archers). I still wanted an exotic feel, so I opted to use Moorish crossbowmen and Islamic Spanish archers.
The armour is more European and late Medieval looking, with a nod to plate-armoured horse trappings, plus a mail throat defence and curtain-like mail panels protecting the ears. The Warwick horse shaffron provided the inspiration for the colander-like eye defences. I'm hoping to give the plates a more Gothic feel, hence the chevron designs and hope to sculpt some dagged edges, with extra detailing in the form of rivets and hinges. The driver will be a mail clad spare Mughal cavalryman heavily converted so he is kneeling atop the elephant's neck and holding a goad. I will increase the height of the shaffron flanges to add extra protection. These photos are approximately 20+ hours into the modelling process, with a few more hours to sculpt before I begin painting.
The paint scheme will be predominantly yellow and orange for the castle, trappings and crew costumes with white armour with brass details.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Coenus Scaldingus on July 17, 2019, 04:57:12 PM
Now there's a fine centre piece if ever I saw one! Loving the design choices, and the execution of them.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: HappyChappy439 on July 17, 2019, 06:43:39 PM
That's some spectacular sculpting! Can't wait to see it painted up! I really love the inspiration from 15th century horse armour!

Will you have some Golden Company footsoldiers to go along with the Elephant too?
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on July 18, 2019, 07:39:35 AM
I opted to sculpt it armoured because I reasoned it would have to hold its own in a setting where warbows, crossbows and scorpions were commonplace. In the real world the Timurids and Mughals adopted armour for their elephants in response to similar threats as well as the use of incendiaries and rockets. It seemed fitting to give the armour a comparable western european theme to fit in with the figures I'm using.

Yep, it will not be alone ;) I've already built a unit of armoured men at arms taken from a mash up of Perry Azincourt French and English, and will field a unit of bowmen and crossbowmen. I'm currently dithering over whether to splash out on some Perry French Pavisiers and possibly some Nubian archers to stand in for the contingent of archers from the Summer Islands.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on August 12, 2019, 07:35:58 AM
A few before and after shots of the completed build of my Golden Company pachyderm. In all some 30 hours of sculpting was involved after some extra green stuff modelling of armour details apparent on the undercoated pics on the shaffron and crupper plates. Two full colour shots of the fully crewed model resplendant in Golden Company livery. Since I can get away without casualty removal for the castle crew, basing was not so much of an issue and I could pack the 6 archers and crossbowmen in more realistically...
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: HappyChappy439 on August 12, 2019, 04:44:28 PM
 :o That is one phenomenal pachyderm! Your sculpting has turned out amazingly! The European-style-barding looks great!

I like the paint scheme you have for the Golden Company soldiers too, obviously a unified company without being really gaudy with gold *everywhere*

Edit: For all Season 8's flaws, at least it gave us this immortal line that I can finally use here
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Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: AKULA on August 12, 2019, 09:51:27 PM
 :-* :-* :-* :-*

That turned out REALLY well...hardly surprising given the care you put into the sculpt, but v.inspirational.

Makes me want to get back on with my own GoT forces

 :)
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: tomrommel1 on August 13, 2019, 06:07:23 AM
that war Elephant is gorgeous!
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on August 13, 2019, 08:49:08 AM
Thanks guys, I'm really pleased with how it turned out. I'm having difficulty visualising suitable figures for summer islanders, but did a mash up of a couple of spare Warlord Numidians with heads decorated with feathers, longbows and extra quivers as an experiment. I will incorporate these into my first unit of archers till I find suitable alternatives. I plan to repeat the yellow/gold livery for the bulk of the troops. Ultimately I will have a mounted unit as well with a stand-in figure for Jon Connington and 'Young Griff'.

Who knows, maybe down the line I may eventually build my heffalump a friend so he doesn't get lonely
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Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Hupp n at em on August 13, 2019, 04:39:47 PM
Wow, that elephant is really something!  :o  Great work!  I think your attempt to "europeanize" it and straddle the historical/essos line was achieved very well.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Captain Blood on August 13, 2019, 05:47:04 PM
Well that is mighty impressive. I like your interpretation of the Golden Company too. Much better than the somewhat overly fantasy stylee offering from HBO.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Grumpy Gnome on August 14, 2019, 06:54:41 AM
This thread delivers! Years of epic work documented for the benefit of us readers. Absolutely love your vision as well as the skillful execution. I am a big fan of kitbashing and conversions, and you have given me so brilliant ideas. Thank you! Deep respect!
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on September 05, 2019, 03:50:30 PM
Golden Company Oliphaunt #2 is currently under construction with articulated plate armour inspired by the Royal Armouries example in Leeds.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on September 16, 2019, 09:33:04 AM
Spent an enjoyable Sunday morning rummage at Skirmish at Sidcup. I came away with 40 halberdiers, 6 Rohirrim, 4 Uruk-Hai pike, 3 Dwarvish warriors, 2 cave trolls and a woolly mammoth. The halberdiers turned out to be an assortment of enjoyable vintage metal HYW and WOTR billmen of various manufacturers that will blend nicely with my Perry plastics. They were a chance spot on the bring-and-buy stand (thank you whoever put them forward I will give them a very good home). The more war-weary looking sculpts will do nicely as a unit of Golden Company bad-asses, while some less well armoured will do well as Northerners, and the additional troops will go towards raising a contingent for the Reach. The Rohirrim will do well for either Middle Earth or Westerosi, the dwarves will complete my Khuzdul contingent, the 4 Uruk-Hai pike going towards my Orthanc war-machine, while the Cave Trolls will be converted into siege personnel to haul and operate my Mordor siege machines. The mammoth will join my Papo mammoth as part of the contingent of Free folk. There's probably in excess of 100 hours work ahead of me... :D ;D :D
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on April 03, 2020, 11:03:13 AM
After a long hiatus I kick-started this project with the recent increase in downtime. Currently revisiting my collections reassigning appropriate figures to specific houses/regions incorporating some of my recent acquisitions.
On the books now;
Golden Company - completing sculpting and constructing the howdah for a 2nd War elephant and 6 crew, 6 native/summer islanders archers and a couple of mounted personalities/leaders.
2 x 6 Dornish cavalry.
Gold Cloaks - completing these LoTR Gondorian/Perry conversions to my satisfaction
Reorganise infantry to complete 6 x 12 contingents from the Reach including Tyrell, Tarly, Rowan, Crane, Oakheart and probably Florent.
Complete 12 x 12 Riverlands contingents to include crossbowmen.
Complete 12 x 12 Westerlands contingents to include some main houses.
I have a considerable legacy of cavalry to get off the ground. There's certainly plenty to keep me occupied over the next few weeks...
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Captain Blood on April 03, 2020, 12:20:34 PM
Hurrah!

Get to it ;)
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: HappyChappy439 on April 03, 2020, 05:49:44 PM
Gold Cloaks - completing these LoTR Gondorian/Perry conversions to my satisfaction

Ha, nice! I had just started a block of Gold Cloaks too while in lockdown! Looking forward to seeing your interpretation too!
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: AKULA on April 03, 2020, 06:43:59 PM
That is a hell of a list - can’t wait to see every last piece

 :)
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on April 24, 2020, 11:53:48 AM
I have spent several days being a butterfly, reorganising my forces and assigning the final figures and banners to 12 houses in the Reach (trying to pin down geographically the houses closest to the border with the Westerlands) and 12 for the Riverlands and finally getting round to painting the remaining banners for the Northern houses Locke, Stout, Mormont, Cerwyn, Flint and Manderly.

I have now settled down to working on and completing the Gold Cloaks. I've built/converted the last 5 figures so I can field 3 units of 12 for LR/DR use, 1 unit of archers and 2 of men at arms plus a mounted officer.

The lack of substantive canon detail on all of the main Houses is frustrating. Some of my previous House choices based on sigils mentioned have proved to be unfortunate and I have inadvertently represented some minor houses. My ultimate plan is to field 12 major Houses per main faction for the North, Riverlands, Westerlands and the Reach, with a 'flying column' for the Vale and a composite Dornish/Gold Company/Targaryen invasion force. A representative body from the Crownlands will enable me to recreate the Duskendale alliance vs The North.

However I have had difficulty with a few houses. Either the sigils have no direct source material in the ASOIAF books to go on, or the houses for which sigils DO exist do not have a specified seat/locality. Wherever possible I have stuck to the spirit of the books and I usually have a minor House or two per faction with no specified seat which for campaign purposes I can assign to hold a strategic location.

There are only a handful of Crownlands houses with sigils - Rosby, Rykker & Stokeworth, so I am adding the Gold Cloaks to the mix for the defence of Kings Landing and to cover the immediate vicinity North of the capital. This will give me a decent force of 6 units of infantry and 2 of cavalry.

I do not plan to field any Stormlands. That would be a step too far, even for me!
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: AKULA on April 24, 2020, 12:24:04 PM
Sounds extremely well thought out - look forward to photos in due course

 :)
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: HappyChappy439 on April 24, 2020, 06:15:59 PM
Oh wow! Sounds like a huge undertaking even without the Stormlands!

Though, in A Clash of Kings, aren't houses Rosby and Stokeworth the only houses that contribute any kind of force to King's Landing from the Crownlands anyway? You could potentially get away with some people under a Blount or Hayford banner, or maybe even a Staunton, but I don't think they ever really get described as having any kind of military presence.

(I hadn't realised before just how high of a proportion of the Crownlands houses end up with King Stannis by the time ADWD rolls around! That probably makes it a bit of a pain to plan around!)



Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Dilettante Gamer on April 25, 2020, 02:27:09 AM
I do not plan to field any Stormlands. That would be a step too far, even for me!

Come on now, Sukhe. This is not a project on which to go wobbly! Show us some Stormlands AND Dorne.

Like Pokemon, you gotta catch 'em all.

 ;D
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on April 25, 2020, 05:59:05 PM
Nah, I can't justify Stormlands AND Dorne as well. I already have a contingent of smallfolk, a war party of ironborn, plus Night's Watch, Freefolk including 2 mammoths, some giant spiders, a pack of wolves and a Bolton warhound pack on the back burner as well as all the world building... That alone will see me into the next decade, let alone a lockdown! :D
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Dilettante Gamer on April 25, 2020, 07:25:08 PM
Just some playful goading to extend your cool work.  ;)
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: AKULA on April 25, 2020, 08:24:03 PM
Just some playful goading to extend your cool work.  ;)

Amen to that  8)
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on April 28, 2020, 04:12:04 PM
I know you jest DG ;)
With a downturn in the weather I spent the day painting and since the muse took me I seized the opportunity to work on my Perry Westerlands mounted Men At Arms. I have to be in a rare frame of mind to do horses which is a real shame since I like cavalry-based armies!
With so many shieldless and in sallets or full face helmets I opted to try painted helmets in at least the main sigil colours. It seemed the best way to show affiliation without resorting to full heraldry  :D
The plan is to have at least 1 mounted figure representing each of the 12 major houses per faction. The North will only have 12 cavalry in total but will have access to some extra generic cavalry, but the others will ultimately have 12 knights representing captains or chief characters, plus one mounted MAA per house distinguishable through house colours/heraldry.
My approach to painting/modelling is somewhat scattershot/brained, so I have lots half finished or half built. I'm hoping to take the opportunity of the lockdown to finish off a number...
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on May 17, 2020, 09:21:29 AM
A few more days into lockdown and a few more modelling sessions later and I have reached a milestone. All my cavalry figures have now been built and allocated to respective houses. Most are as a result only partially painted, but the factions are beginning to emerge. The reuse of my Bretonnians was an opportunity to have horse bardings displaying the sigils of the houses..
Apart from a special unit of 6 unallocated mounted archers (Perry) the line up is as follows...
The North: 12 to 18 mounted representing all the major and some minor houses with sigils mentioned in the books - predominantly converted GW Rohirrim and Warlord feudals.
The Vale: 12 mounted knights predominantly converted GW Bretonnian and Battlemasters mashups to act as a flying column as in the HBO series. I can't imagine Martin would leave these in the wings for the whole cycle so I am anticipating them being involved in my campaign to some degree.
The Reach: 12 mounted knights 50/50 Battlemasters and Perry MAA, and 12 HYW/WoTR Perry MAA. These have to be at least as strong as the Westerlands.
The Riverlands: 12 mounted knights and 12 MAA mostly Warlord feudals and Black Tree Design HYW/WoTR MAA.
The Westerlands: 12 mounted knights mostly GW Bretonnians and Warlord and 12 Perry MAA.
The Crownlands: a mounted medley of 6 from Perry, Warlord and other sources.
Targaryen Invasion (the book version) Targaryen standard bearer, Aegon in full harness and Jon Connington (GW Bretonnian and Battlemasters mashups, with 6 mounted MAA Perry WoTR as Golden Company, plus 12 to 18 Dornish allied cavalry (Gripping Beast Mozarabs).
As you can see that adds up to a ton of horseflesh and more sigils, bardings, shields and banners than you can shake a stick at so it will be a while before I have any completed units, though some are nearly there...
The handful I have left over will join my Vargo Hoat and 6 Dothraki to become freeriders.
All of these were tucked away in tins so it came as something of a shock to see them all at once... would you guys be interested in a few shots of them all - even only half completed?
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: AKULA on May 17, 2020, 09:28:25 PM
would you guys be interested in a few shots of them all - even only half completed?

Yes please  :D
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: HappyChappy439 on May 17, 2020, 09:36:14 PM
Yes please  :D

Agreed! Definitely on tenterhooks with the build-up the last few weeks!
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Lau on May 17, 2020, 09:50:26 PM
yes! More pictures! :-D
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on May 21, 2020, 04:00:18 PM
A quick work in progress shot of the 12 mounted figures from the Reach that I have now confirmed. My process is to install the heraldry first to the figures and then paint the figures to completion, hence the varied states of completion... It took me somewhat longer than planned to do the sigils on the horse bardings, shields and lance pennons. Figures are predominantly Battlemasters knights with lengthened lances and some variation in detailing with a second conroy of Perry WoTR and a rogue GW Empire knight.
Houses represented are from left to right Tyrell and Oakheart (Front Row), Ashford, Rowan and Merryweather (2nd row), Fossoway of New Barrel, Leygood, Footly and Crane (3rd row) and Fossoway of Cider Hall, Caswell and Tarly (rear)...
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on May 21, 2020, 04:09:40 PM
A further shot showing (hopefully) more detail of the sigils - L R Ashford, Tyrell, Rowan and Merryweather (Front row) and Leygood, Footly, Oakheart and Crane (rear row)
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Mr.J on May 21, 2020, 04:57:09 PM
Great to see you still working on this, excellent project well executed.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: HappyChappy439 on May 21, 2020, 05:17:07 PM
Looking great so far! I've never been quite brave enough to try painting the Merryweather Horn-of-Plenty!
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Argonor on May 21, 2020, 05:40:45 PM
Wonderful and inspiring work, all around!
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on May 22, 2020, 08:57:52 AM
I've never been quite brave enough to try painting the Merryweather Horn-of-Plenty!
For me the heraldic sticking points are the Tarly striding huntsman and the Darry ploughman... hard enough to do on a banner, let a lone a shield or a lance pennon!

I've also taken the opportunity (as others here have done) to include lesser houses and Semi-canon sigils amongst the mounted Men at arms since the major houses are all well represented in the 12 x 12 man infantry contingents. The rot set in with my Crownlands contingent since I could only find 4 active houses with sigils in sufficient detail in the books but needed 6 to complete the conroy. So as well as Rykker, Rosby, Stokeworth and Hayford, I have included semi-canon arms for House Mallery and Buckwell.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: AKULA on May 22, 2020, 10:16:57 AM
Great work as always, I love the mix of Houses you’ve achieved.

It would be great (post-Pandemic) if somehow we could all of the Westeros projects together on one (very large) table...I’m not saying we’d get a game played...I suspect we’d just be drooling over the figures

 :D
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on May 22, 2020, 10:32:48 AM
That would be some table...!!!
I've just totaled my Westerosi and it comes in at around 1,000 infantry and 100 cavalry :o
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: AKULA on May 22, 2020, 12:19:20 PM
That would be some table...!!!
I've just totaled my Westerosi and it comes in at around 1,000 infantry and 100 cavalry :o

Puts my 700 infantry and 60 cavalry to shame...that’s good thing about LAF, there is always a bigger megalomaniac out there

I must try harder  :D

Would love to see a group shot at some point...I think you did some photos a while back, but it sounds like your force has grown considerably since then.

Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on May 22, 2020, 01:05:34 PM
Puts my 700 infantry and 60 cavalry to shame...
A fellow addict! ;D. It kinda snuck up on me as I have the factions all squirreled away in tins and I've never had the entire extent out at the same time... The idea was to have a breadth of forces to play different scenarios but mushroomed into a sigil-collecting quasi-campaign... The only unifying feature of them is the extent of their incompleteness. lol
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Captain Blood on May 22, 2020, 01:53:37 PM
Puts my 700 infantry and 60 cavalry to shame...that’s good thing about LAF, there is always a bigger megalomaniac out there

 lol lol lol

That’s an impressive array of minor house sigils SB  :-*
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on May 22, 2020, 04:27:19 PM
Ah good Captain, good to hear from you... I've been working on Riverlands sigils this afternoon for my 24 mounted knights and men at arms- 23 different sigils alone, with some inevitably semi-canon :D. The aim is to be able to combine reps of houses based on their geography, thus Mallister, Frey, Haigh, Charlton, Erenford and Vypren can create a conroy for the Northern Marches of the Riverlands... I have tried to remain true to canon sources for the 12 major houses, but there are some major omissions  ::)
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: AKULA on May 22, 2020, 06:07:25 PM
A fellow addict! ;D. It kinda snuck up on me as I have the factions all squirreled away in tins and I've never had the entire extent out at the same time... The idea was to have a breadth of forces to play different scenarios but mushroomed into a sigil-collecting quasi-campaign... The only unifying feature of them is the extent of their incompleteness. lol

I’d love to say that I had a plan at the outset, but if there was one it seems to have morphed into trying to replicate the whole of bloody Westeros, and possibly a sizeable chunk of Essos as well. I also don’t have the excuse of not knowing what is there, as the project has taken over my glass fronted cabinets....I might as well have Septa Unella stood there with a bell...”Shame.....shame.....shame.....”

 lol
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on May 23, 2020, 08:10:25 AM
it seems to have morphed into trying to replicate the whole of bloody Westeros, and possibly a sizeable chunk of Essos as well. lol
lol lol lol
Amen to that - There's just so much to represent - and don't even get me started on the scenery... or the weirwood trees, or the mammoths... let alone the dragons... Once I get heffalump #2 completed for my Golden Company I will be happier... ;) ;D ;D
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on May 27, 2020, 05:27:10 PM
24 mounted knights and Men At Arms from the Riverlands houses - sigils and liveries all mapped out on the workbench and turning out to be a colourful bunch... now I just have to get down to finishing them all off...
Rear row from L to R; House Darry (the ploughman is still to be done), Ser Desmond Grell, Tully mounted crossbowman, Vypren, Roote and Goodbrook
Next row; Frey, Mooton, Smallwood, Paege, Vance of Atranta and Lychester
Second row; Bracken, Vance of Wayfarer's Rest, Mallister, Lothston/Whent, Wode and Ryger
Front Row; Blackwood, Piper, Tully, Erenford, Haigh and Charlton
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: AKULA on May 27, 2020, 05:45:47 PM
Stunning..... 8)

I love the variety, not to mention your productivity

What are your thoughts on fielding units...are you going to form the various knights into a mounted band, with their respective retainers (presumably in larger numbers) fielded as separate units?
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on May 27, 2020, 06:05:32 PM
I'm planning a campaign with contingents from 12 major houses in control of each region. Each major house has 12 infantry and a mounted figure and 12 other mounted figures representing the lesser houses. The idea is each region's forces can operate as small skirmish forces or combine into 4 district commands roughly equating to a 24pt LR/DR retinue roughly following the ASOIAF narrative. Thus Vance, Piper and Smallwood will naturally combine to repel an invasion from the Westerlands. Thus a 6 figure mounted retinue from the Northern March of the Riverlands will comprise Mallister, Frey, Haigh, Erenford, Charlton and Vypren based on the assumed positions of the houses in the Game of Thrones map but taking geographical clues etc from the interactive map.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on May 28, 2020, 10:50:16 AM
I may have asked this before but how do you Westerosi gamers out there determine who gets pitted against who?
Is it just your favourite Houses pitted against one another?
A particular battle or campaign?
or do you like me have a campaign mechanism in mind you use to create a narrative?
I've taken my cues for a home grown campaign from a half remembered Avalon Hill board game I used to have called 'Samurai' https://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/63/samurai-game-politics-and-warfare-feudal-japan-12t
Each player controls a clan with one or more lords. Each lord has a province representing his personal "fief" or home, and often has additional holdings of troops, titles, ships, castles, and more provinces. The game is played in 20 turns, each representing a pace of historical events running between a few months to a few years. In each turn, moves are conducted on a mapboard that portrays the three major islands of Japan with provinces as stepping stones. The playing pieces-360 in all-include Samurai Lords, clan control markers, holdings and title counters, troops, garrisons etc. I plan to simplify this down and transpose it onto a map of Westeros to create a narrative suitable to generate solo scenarios I can play out. This is a new prospect for me because I am principally a person who likes to collect and paint and the gaming aspect is something I rarely get to do due to space and time considerations. Lion Rampant/Dragon Rampant offered me a lifeline to potentially play out smaller encounters in a fantasy setting more feasibly. My Middle Earth collections are primarily geared for mass battles...
I'd be interested to hear if anyone else has tried something similar...
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on May 28, 2020, 11:41:18 AM
A later faction in my ongoing Westeros saga - in the books the Golden Company, with war elephants, make landfall in Westeros , adding another player to the mix vying for the Iron Throne. They lend their support to Jon Connington and Aegon Targaryen (not Jon Snow but a n other royal refugee whisked off to obscurity and safety only to reemerge down the line). I plan to add a few more sellswords, a few Golden Company mounted knights, a unit of summer islander 'snipers' and some Dornish allied cavalry and infantry.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on May 28, 2020, 11:46:34 AM
My take on the Targaryen resurgence... Aegon in suitably dragon-themed full harness, Jon Connington and a Golden Company herald bearing the Targaryen banner flanked by 3 Golden company merc men at arms. Now I've allocated the heraldry I can concentrate on taking the cavalry to completion...
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: HappyChappy439 on May 28, 2020, 12:16:09 PM
I may have asked this before but how do you Westerosi gamers out there determine who gets pitted against who?
Is it just your favourite Houses pitted against one another?
A particular battle or campaign?

From a project perspective I started out just focusing on Stannis Baratheon's campaigning during the latter half of A Storm of Swords, A Dance With Dragons (and presumably continuing into The Winds of Winter)...but over time I've wanted to branch out a bit into A Clash of Kings (partly for an excuse to look into some Renly-aligned factions, or Lannister-adjacent folks)

From a gaming perspective, King Stannis isn't exactly a people person, so I figure there could be a "What if?" scenario where he gets into a fight with just about anyone else in Westeros!


Also great work on the Golden Company, and nicely done with our Mummer's Dragon!
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on May 28, 2020, 02:05:06 PM
Mum's the word! Martin has certainly tapped into the whole pretenders-to-the-throne-coming-out-of-the-woodwork vibe  ;)
You are only a rebel and wrong - unless that is, you win!
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: AKULA on May 28, 2020, 02:58:27 PM
I may have asked this before but how do you Westerosi gamers out there determine who gets pitted against who?
Is it just your favourite Houses pitted against one another?
A particular battle or campaign?
or do you like me have a campaign mechanism in mind you use to create a narrative?

A campaign system is on my to-do list, along with fastplay mass battle rules, but honestly I’m just building as many different forces as possible, as the mood takes me, to give me some different options.

My primarily aim was the Battle of the Bastards forces, but this quickly spiralled out of control into the War of the Five Kings, and now probably representing a chunk of Essos as well.

Lovely work on the Golden Company, particularly the Elephants  8)
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on May 28, 2020, 06:13:28 PM
My w.i.p. contingent from The Vale comprises a flying column of knights to assist The North or the Riverlands based on the premise for the Battle of the Bastards. I foresee a time when these uncommitted forces will enter the fray...
A ma s-up of Battlemasters, Perry and Bretonnians based on the sigils of the knights declarant and those seen by Tyrion at the Eyrie.
Rear L to R; Royce, Hunter, Arryn and Hersy
Middle row; Hightower, Belmore, Templeton and Corbray
Front row; Lynderly, Waxley, Waynwood and Redfort
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on May 28, 2020, 06:17:19 PM
The entire Vale contingent as it stands. Men at Arms, Billmen and Crossbowmen drawn from the various houses. Additional archers and skirmishers are drawn from a generic pool of woodsmen and hillmen...
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Charlie_ on May 28, 2020, 07:04:58 PM
Very nice!

But who's the Hightower infiltrating the Vale nobility?  ;)
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: AKULA on May 28, 2020, 08:20:22 PM
The Knights of the Vale look pretty damn good!

Apologies for my ignorance, but is it a heraldic convention to have the Liege Lords sigil on the hind section of the mount, or your own idea?

Either way it looks very effective, and ties them together as a force.

Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on May 28, 2020, 08:33:37 PM
The Knights of the Vale look pretty damn good! Apologies for my ignorance, but is it a heraldic convention to have the Liege Lords sigil on the hind section of the mount, or your own idea?
A bit of both, really. It was partly to give it a unified look and something a little separate from the rest of the regions. There is historic precedent for this. In Spanish heraldry the confrere knights of the Military Orders had their personal heraldry combined with that of the order. In early heraldry a conroy often bore the same charges as the lord, even lesser knights owing service as well as men at arms. Others used the same colour combinations to show allegience to a particular faction. In instances where the sigil colours aren't specified I have used white and grey to signify allegience to the Starks, Blue and white for the Vale, Red and Yellow for the Lannisters and Yellow and Green for the Reach.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: AKULA on May 28, 2020, 08:59:10 PM
Thanks for the explanation - it makes sense, AND looks really effective

 8)
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on May 29, 2020, 07:26:16 AM
But who's the Hightower infiltrating the Vale nobility?  ;)
Hmmm, appears I have Hightower and Grafton muddled up... I've taken a simpler approach to the sigil than the semi-canon source
Thanks for spotting the error Charlie! :)
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Munindk on May 29, 2020, 07:31:28 AM
Those elephants are lovely :)

I dont mean to add to your labour, but have you considered the faith militant?
The Warrior's Sons and the Poor Fellows could be a neutral force, willing to fight for any pious lord.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on May 29, 2020, 07:44:18 AM
I dont mean to add to your labour, but have you considered the faith militant?
The Warrior's Sons and the Poor Fellows could be a neutral force, willing to fight for any pious lord.
Thanks for reminding me. I have a party of armed peasants and I have a Warrior's Son figure to paint up to lead them. I plan to kitbash a unit of Poor Fellows and a Septon too in good time...
I'm currently concentrating on the better quality arrow fodder and very pleased I'm following the book cycle and not having to add a model of my own Drogon to the long to-do list... ;)
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: Gunner Dunbar on May 29, 2020, 07:57:36 AM
Cool thread, nice minis.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on June 01, 2020, 12:05:42 PM
The Golden Company finally gets a standard bearer...
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: HappyChappy439 on June 01, 2020, 12:12:07 PM
Nice work! I like the interpretation of having 'gold' cloth without it being like...literally metallic gold! Looks great!
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: AKULA on June 01, 2020, 02:23:48 PM
 :-* :-*

Love the standard bearer
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on June 01, 2020, 05:45:58 PM
And fresh off the drawing board - an afternoon's work and the outline heraldry for the Dornish infantry contingent begins to emerge. 8 of these are canon based on Tyrion's reception of the Dornish at King's Landing. I will tweak these further as I progress the figures. I had a variety of unused Gripping Beast Spanish mozarabs and chose to use those. The infantry are cast with kite shields but I figured that was better suited to foot fighters. The cavalry contingent will have the traditional round shields the Dornish are known to favour...
From L to R; Manwoody, Uller, Gargalen, Martell, Allyrion and Qorgyle
and 2nd row; Blackmont, Santagar, Wyl, Vaith, Jordayne and Toland
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: AKULA on June 01, 2020, 07:02:32 PM
You are a machine  lol

I hadn’t even thought about Dorne...
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on June 02, 2020, 11:54:26 AM
The first mass assembly of the Reach host now all the models are built and beginning to show the look I'm after. Still days of work ahead progressing each house to completion. 12 Houses represented
L Hand side column from top to bottom; Fossoway of Cider Hall, Leygood, Ashford, Fossoway of New barrel, Tyrell and Oakheart
R Hand column from top to bottom; Crane, Caswell, Rowan, Merryweather, Footly and Tarly.
Off the table are 12 mounted men at arms still to be armed and equipped which will bear sigils of lesser houses.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: HappyChappy439 on June 02, 2020, 04:11:59 PM
 :o You're a painting machine! In awe of the rate you finish these!

Keep up the great work!
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on June 02, 2020, 04:42:35 PM
:o You're a painting machine! In awe of the rate you finish these!
These are by no means finished! I wish 'by the Seven' that they all were! In many cases I have been slowly building up the numbers over a long time ;D - My process is to build/assign the figures to the relevant factions/houses and then devise and paint the sigils and only THEN go on to complete the rest of the painting. I find that once I've assigned the heraldry to the figures they take on a character all of their own. Once they belong to a house I then go back and work on a house at a time. This is after a lengthy reorganisation. To put it into context I started this project not that long after the Perry WoTR had come out but their Agincourt range hadn't and the Fireforge feudals were not yet available. Having built a load of HYW and Fireforge feudals to bulk out the numbers I had to repaint a load to match my vision of the world building assigning. I assigned the WoTR & HYW mainly to the Westerlands and The Reach and the feudals have fleshed out the Riverlands, the Vale and the North. I still have a very long road to go but they are at least photogenic enough to get an impression of the finished outcome.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: AKULA on June 02, 2020, 05:51:17 PM
Makes perfect sense if you are trying to build a coherent force.

Looking forward to seeing them all finished

 :)
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on June 02, 2020, 07:35:14 PM
Looking forward to seeing them all finished :)
Me too! :D ;D lol
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: AKULA on June 02, 2020, 07:41:45 PM
Me too! :D ;D lol

Will it ever be really finished though...always something else to add

 lol
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on June 03, 2020, 08:48:49 AM
That's the problem with world-building, you end up with... well, and entire world  ::)
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on June 09, 2020, 02:56:22 PM
The Crownlands contingent of the Duskendale Alliance, Houses (top to bottom) Stokeworth, Rykker and Rosby, with respective mounted knights/men at arms plus mounted sergeants with my take on Hayford, Buckwell and semi-canon Mallery. The contingent is 12 infantry short for combining comfortably into various Lion/Dragon Rampant units so I will probably end up making a composite unit from lesser houses.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: HappyChappy439 on June 09, 2020, 03:19:50 PM
Nicely done! I like how the Stokeworth lamb has turned out especially!

How do you decide on the composition for your infantry? Is it consistently 6 melee and 6 ranged?

I may have to nab your process and set up some blocks of Narrow-Sea Houses!
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: sukhe_bator on June 09, 2020, 03:55:07 PM
Each House unit is made up of 6 melee (including 1 captain and 1 standard bearer) and 6 ranged weapons (typically 4 bow and 2 crossbow) - see attached image of House Stokeworth. One house per region is outfitted with 6 bow to act as a scout/specialist unit. Each house can operate independently but will usually combine with up to 3 neighbouring houses to defend a district. For campaign purposes I have subdivided each region under the control of 12 houses. In the case of the Crownlands (due to its proximity to King's Landing) only 3 major houses are fielded. This gives 12 bow, a mixed unit of 6 crossbow and 6 pavisiers, 12 foot men at arms, and 6 cavalry. This equates to approx. 16 points in Lion Rampant terms. The expectation is the Crownlands will act as an allied contingent or be supported in turn by allies. However I have a few HYW figures left over so will probably add a mixed unit from the lesser houses mentioned.
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: AKULA on July 08, 2020, 02:15:34 PM
I somehow missed the last set of photos .... great work, I’m in full admiration for the range of Houses you’ve achieved.

Would love a closeup of the House Buckwell heraldry in particular  8)
Title: Re: A Song of Ice and Fire in 25mm
Post by: tomrommel1 on July 09, 2020, 05:56:38 AM
nice additions