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Miniatures Adventure => The Conflicts that came in from the Cold => Topic started by: commissarmoody on May 23, 2013, 07:31:27 AM
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I am looking for Korean War in 28mm figs. Also what were the differences between the weapons and uniforms of the American/UN forces and there World war 2 counter parts?
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This is probably your best summary:
http://olive-drab.com/od_soldiers_clothing_1950s.php
Most WW2 ranges have US troops in gaiters, shoes and the short M1941 Parsons jacket. These were mostly replaced during the war circa 1943/44 on with the M1943 jacket and the double buckle combat boot. Both were still around during teh Korean War, the former being supplanted /replaced by the M1951 jacket, the latter at the end of teh war with a new combat boot.
I can't think of anyone off hand who does that combination in 28mm. Wargames factory do nice GIs in the M1943 jacket but they have gaiters and shoes. Not impossible to convert but rather time consuming if you are looking at a platoon's worth. The other noticeable difference is insignia. After the war the old rank patches were replaced with the golden lite pattern, apparently universally loathed.
Marines as ever tended to older kit. Gaiters were still evident and there are plenty of pictures showing them kitted out a la
WW2.
First Corps do some pretty ugly Brits for Korea as well as winter clad Chinese, which seem a bit better. Dunno of any ranges beyond that.
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Yep, I'll follow on with...
The US Marines initially wore gaiters with their own uniform from WW2, but eventually replaced these as the war went on. The 'look' of the US soldier from the end of WW2 right through to the 1980s was pretty much the same though, with minor differences in the cut of the uniform and pockets etc. Boots were still brown (I think they changed to black in 1957 or thereabouts). In Korea, the webbing was the WW2 type. Jeep caps and 'Trapper' Winter hats were the usual headgear when the helmet wasn't being worn.
The weapons were no different, even the water-cooled Browning still made an appearance. The 57mm and 75mm recoilless and the M20 Bazooka were 'new arrivals' as far as the mostly WW2 kit went.
Vehicle-wise the only big difference was that other than the M16 SPAA and a few other specialist vehicles, no half tracks were deployed in Korea. The M4A3E8 was steadily withdrawn, in favour of the M26 and subsequently M46 tanks. The M24 soldiered on, until the last part of the war, when the M41 started to appear.
Helicopters were increasingly more common, but were not being used as troop transports... although the US Marines were trying out the idea elsewhere.
British forces were largely the same as late WW2, but wore the 'Turtle' style helmet and not the old 'Battle Bowler'. The beret replaced all other forms of headgear worn in WW2 (the Scots having a Tam O'Shanter styled one). U.S. Fatigues replaced the British style battledress pretty quickly though, which was worn with British helmets and webbing. 'Trapper hats' and 'Commando' wool balaclavas were also common in cold weather.
The Centurion tank made its appearance for the first time in war, but there were still Churchills and Cromwells deployed to Korea. Universal carriers were still in use too!
Australian troops seemed to have begun in the same uniforms and weapons as they did for the start of WW2, including the 'old' British helmet and even the old SMLE type with its sword bayonet, as opposed to the British, who used the No.4 and its 'pig sticker'. Again, US fatigues replaced the Australian style battledress and once more US style headwear was used in cold weather. The ubiquitous digger's slouch hat being found at all other times.
The old Paul Hicks-sculpted Bolt Action US figures were ideal for Korea... the new ones nothing like them. Warlord's US Marines will pass for their Korean counterparts in Summer.
As Carlos says, this is very much an ignored war for gamers, so no ranges of figures in 28mm, other than the 1st Corps ones he mentioned, as far as I know either.
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Well, the ROK army had halftracks and there were indications of US army units mounted in halftracks for specific missions during the September-October 1950 pursuit. Hal tracks were definitely deployed (plenty of pictures of basic halftrack and not only AAA version). No armoured infantry unit in HT was deployed but no HT in Korea is a common and utterly wrong misconception.
In at least one case US army troops were air assaulted by helicopters (during the battle for Heartbreak Ridge).
For the rest Arlequin in pretty spot on.
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Yes, I meant to imply 'no armoured infantry', rather than 'no halftracks'... even the British had some... That's what happens when you're in a rush. ::)
The 'air lift' onto Hill 884 was indeed the first time they were used to carry combat troops, but I don't think landing on a remote hill, with no enemy presence counts as an 'air assault' really. The earlier operations in the Punchbowl were supply lifts in and medevac out. The early H-19 model used (HRS-1) could only carry 8 Marines (some sources say 5) and with only a single squadron (HMR-61) it took them four hours to move the 200+ men and 17k lbs of supplies a few miles onto the hill.
Having said that... it was the proof of what might be done and was one of the operations which convinced the Army to set up its own helicopter battalions.
The first helicopter 'air assault' is commonly acknowledged as being performed by the Royal Marines' 45 Commando during the Suez Landings in 1956... but I'll take that under advisement, as it's something I really know very little about.
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First Corps do some pretty ugly Brits for Korea as well as winter clad Chinese, which seem a bit better. Dunno of any ranges beyond that.
There is a single Korean War British Infantryman in the range of figures that Henry Hyde sells to raise money for Combat Stress:
http://henrys-wargaming.co.uk/?page_id=476 (http://henrys-wargaming.co.uk/?page_id=476)
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So I take it Bolt Action, no longer career's there old line of late war US infantry that would have worked for Korea then. :P
And currently no one has a viable range of North/South Koreans, Chines or other UN National forces.
Might have to see about getting one made then, Because that is cheap and easy lol
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Well, here are the First Corps Korean War Chinese. Whether they are viable or not is over to you.
http://www.1stcorps.co.uk/online_shop/product_info.php?products_id=2495&osCsid=f02238da51e39efd0b5b9000384e4358
You can probably use some WW2 Russian in padded jackets and fur caps as North Koreans in winter dress.
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http://achesoncreations.com/index.php?page=shop.browse&category_id=75&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=1
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Would the Brigade Games Atomic Cafe GIs be of any use? A little late ('57) but possibly suited?
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Yes they would be fine... The officer's cap is wrong, but replacing it would be no big deal.
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If I were to say, look into commission a range of late/mid Korean war US, and Chines/North Korean forces, do you think there would be interest?
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I'd be interested... but I'm also very demanding. ;)
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I would be interested but it would rather depend on the sculptor.
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I feel you. If I didn't care how they looked I would just proxy em. I am thinking of doing late war troops first, with body armor and maybe separate heads. Also need to find the proper weapons load out for your average US and PLA and north Korea.
Start with platoon and company support and then if it sales work from there.
How prevalent would M1 carbine's and submarine guns if any would be in the average US platoon/company (army/USMC)
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Also who do you think i should do as there opposition first? DROK or PLA?
My plane is ambitious and will take a bit to complete, But if the idea picks up, I will also think about doing a winter range also.
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'Summer' style would suit me nicely, so good call! Ridgway style caps are a must too! :D
In theory, the M1 Carbine was the Squad Leader's weapon, with each team being loaded out with a BAR and the rest with Garands. M3 'Grease Guns' were 'limited standard' and Thompsons 'substitute standard', but found their way into the hands of Officers and NCOs, as these things do. Some officers acquired M1 Carbines too, as their pistols made them obvious targets.
Both Air-cooled and Water-Cooled tripod-mounted Brownings were the platoon and company machine guns, as well as some of the M1919A6 'light machine gun' variants with bipods in the former. 57mm & 75mm Recoilless rifles equipped anti-tank units, while M20 Bazookas were issued to the infantry companies and other units, in the same way as WW2, so pretty much every rifle platoon and headquarters unit had one available. I'm not sure when the switch from 60mm to 81mm mortars in the rifle companies happened, but at some point it did.
Other than very subtle differences though, the US Army infantry in Korea, was essentially organised the same way as that which saw the end of WW2. Some different vehicles here and there, but otherwise identical.
For opponents, I would personally go for the DPRK first, as they were better equipped and trained than the Chinese and somewhat smarter dressed too initially. Having said that, the Chinese are more commonly seen as the archetypical 'Communist' opponents. In the later war period, I don't think there was much difference between them though to be honest, other than a different style of soft cap... I could be wrong however.
It's a brave step to take and I hope there is sufficient interest out there. I'm up for it, but I'm noted for being way off-field in my interests and like Carlos, I'm very choosy with regard to sculptors.
If I was planning on commissioning a range, I would be tempted to look at the early part of the Vietnam War and to possibly fill the gap of there being no ARVN, or much in the way of early US troops or advisors in 28mm... but that's just me.
;)
*Edited* - The M1 Carbine was supposed to be the Squad Leader's weapon, not the Fire Team Leader's weapon... most FTLs had Garands 'officially'.
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'Summer' style would suit me nicely, so good call! Ridgway style caps are a must too! :D
It's a brave step to take and I hope there is sufficient interest out there. I'm up for it, but I'm noted for being way off-field in my interests and like Carlos, I'm very choosy with regard to sculptors.
If I was planning on commissioning a range, I would be tempted to look at the early part of the Vietnam War and to possibly fill the gap of there being no ARVN, or much in the way of early US troops or advisors in 28mm... but that's just me.
First: That is why I am thinking multi-heads, just need to figure out weather it would be cost effective. So M-1 steel pots, M-1 with canvas covers, Ridgway caps, and the winter pile caps. Also by summer, I am thinking Hollywood style, Greggory Peck in "Pork chop hill" With body armor. (trying to make them useful for 50s style alien invasion games, and cold war gone hot.)
Would that style be to far off the mark for what the troops looked like that time?
Second: Yeah i like none popular conflicts also. And I still have not hit up any artiest/scuplters. I just started drawing up ideas yesterday while at work. Suggestions will be appreciated. I am currently a Paul hicks fan boy after seeing the Indo-China range. Any one along his vain or better might do the trick. If not to pricy that is.
third: If my Korean (Coldest War Range) Picks up, I was actually thinking of using Dominican and and early war Vietnam US troops as my next goal. That Range will be my "Fire In Paradise" range, Cuba, Bay of Pigs, Dominican. I don't want to get ahead of myself. As I said i just started writing ever thing down the other day. Still need to figure out how I am going to pay for it, let alone if there is any interest aside the 3 of us.
So I am guessing that the standard US platoon's TO&E.
LT (45., M1 carbine)
Platoon Sergent (45, M1 carbine or sub machine gun)
RTO (M1 or M1 carbine)
Medic (45. maybe M1 Carbine)
three line squads.
Squad Leader Sargent (M1, M1 carbine, sub machine gun)
2 sections per a squad
Section leader Corporal (M1, M1 Carbine)
2 Riflemen (M1)
1 BAR (BAR)
Or is it only one Sargent one corporal and one BAR and 6 rifleman per a squad?
Were Rifle grenades still used?
And the weapons squad at least from my research had one M1919A6 'light machine gun', and a M2D Bazooka.
And the company's weapons platoon had 3, 57mm recoilless rifles and three 60mm mortars.
And I also am leaning towards the DPRK, can mix PPSH's, SKS and Mosin-Nagants in the line. Still need to do some more research on there TO&E
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A lot of the organisational stuff you can find on my blog. It's not 100%, but it's a close as I have been able to get it. At the very least it will save me re-hashing it all here and will give you a starting point that builds on what I've already done.
;)
There are also quite a few old field manuals about online from the 50s and 60s, which give the 'on paper' allocations at least.
For example here's The Infantry Regiment (http://www.cgsc.edu/carl/docrepository/FM740%201950.pdf) one from 1950. Details are buried in there, but you have to fish them out from all the double-speak. You do get to find out just exactly what all those REMFs were supposed to be doing as a by-product though, so it's not all time wasted.
There are a few more dotted around here (http://archive.org/search.php?query=subject%3A%22United+States.+--+Army+--+Handbooks%2C+manuals%2C+etc%22) too. I used to have links to all the important ones, but I don't know where that went.
Maybe it's just me, but I find them quite addictive. ;D
As for the figures, your plans sound fine to me. I think you have covered the main bases as regards headgear. I'm not so sure on the body armour personally, as it cuts out use of the figures before 1953 in the main. Body armour, like Winter gear, might be better saved for future release imo.
I think I would go for just a straight figure at first, with a choice of heads... they would even pass as WW2 US Infantry in the M1943 uniform (which they pretty much were). As the old Bolt Action US Infantry appear to have disappeared, there is nothing like them out there at present.
I doubt I'm unique, but I tend to think of appearance in terms of movies, so a figure that looks 'Pork Chop Hill' or 'MASH' is more likely to appeal than one actually based on a Time Life photo. Having said that there are a lot of inspirational photos out there which match my imagined reality too.
A basic US Infantry range covers all of your bases too, they can be used from 1944 to 1962 (when the M14 actually became more common than the M1), so the classic Sci-Fi angle is covered, you could even re-do G.I. Blues if the fancy took you! ;)
The difficult choice is where to start. If you go for field jackets, that cuts out 'tropical' use. If you go for OD Shirts, that cuts out more 'temperate' options, but fits the 'movie' look. Winter parkas are obviously the most limiting.
Focus is also important, there are a few ranges out there which have faltered because they didn't sell, but the reason they didn't sell was because they were incomplete. If I'm going to invest in a range, I want to be able to make a unit in one go, not wait for months between releases. Having future plans is fine, but concentrate on what will be your first unit, rather than a range of units.
Red Star did this spot on with their French for me, they released a whole set of packs, which allowed you to buy everything needed for a platoon... which is pretty much all anyone is likely to buy in 28mm. Okay, I might have been tempted to have maybe two more packs of standard infantry if it had been me, so as to give a little variation in the squads, but as it is, they did it right to my mind.
I think you pay for what you get as regards sculptors. I have my favourites and don't tend to buy outside of them and when you're spending a couple of quid/dollars on each figure, you expect quality to match the outlay. A good sculptor is the least thing you can scrimp on. For this period it would have to be Paul Hicks or Kosta Heristanidis for me... but there's always room for a few more of the same standard.
As test of this, take Mongrel Miniatures as an example. When did you last see an advert for them? Yet the figures sell faster than the owner can supply his outlet and they can never stock a full range at any one time. While this is partly down to poor supply on the part of the owner, the range is how old now? You can't even say that the ranges are currently 'hot' like Afghanistan or other contemporary conflicts... yet they sell.
The point is that a good sculptor will sell a period on the basis of the figures produced for it. How many posts do you see by folk asking about a period on here, as they have actually no idea what it is they have bought figures for?
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Thanks, I will check it out when I get off work.
I was thinking of the body army option becase they were all fully kited out as such in the movie "pork chop hill". But I see your point on limiting them to 10 year period. But they sure do look badass. lol
I also just read that apparently "Mantic" games is going a 1950s-60s Mars attacks kickstarter. So might hold off to see how there monstrosity turned out. That being said I am sure what who ever I get to.sculpt my product will be superior to what ever plastics they come out with...dont even know if their stuff will be in 28.
Any ways the plan as of the moment is to make a platoon and company support for both the US and DROK forcesfrom the get go. Then work on to winter, battalion and then PLA and Commen Wealth to complete the range.
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Wot that other bloke sed.
Fatigues, unadorned pot, combat boots. Not only will you be able to do Korea but as you have correctly divined, there's almost certainly a market for 1950s Hollywood. The Day the Earth Stood Still et al. Beyond that, more than half the armies in the Western Hemisphere were dressed in this fashion up to the 1970s and beyond. You could use figures, identically clad and equipped from Batista's army battling Fidel Castro and friends through to the Turkish invasion of Cyprus. They'd make useful proxies for South Vietnamese (albeit tall ones), Indonesians in Borneo or Japanese battling Godzilla etc, etc, etc.
Flak jackets and covered helmets. Well those could be done as a variant once the initial dollies are made. Slightly less useful about the only thing I can think of beyond Korea is the first, rather less tragic, American intervention in Lebanon in 1958 and even there most photos show the Marines sans flak jackets. Of course if you went for a variation and added M-14s, they'd be useful through to the mid 1960s in Vietnam.
An idea you may wish to ponder is producing separate ammo pouches, water bottles etc. I know there is a certain resistance to having to glue bits to minis, as most of us are so cack-handed but there is some utility to the idea. Kosta produced some extra webbing bits for his modern French and I think it's a bloody good idea, a sort of plug 'n' play. You could produce the basic web pouches in strips to add to a figure or the BAR pouches, SMG pouches etc. For those figures armed with M-14 you just add the appropriate M-1956 pouches. This would work well if you had a smallish range of basic poses with weapons options. Any figures in flak jacket have the webbing straps covered anyway.
Alternately there's the going the whole hog swappit/ Timpo toys thing, where you produce separate torsos, heads and legs. Eureka did this with their SWAT range. Personally I think it's an undervalued concept. If executed well it gives you a lot of options in terms of posing and equipment and is conceptually no different from separate head variants.
Anyway, get a good sculptor and go the basic Elvis in the Army route and I'll happily buy a couple of platoons, they would make perfect Guatemalans circa 1972.
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Totally what I was thinking with going the Korean war figs. At most maybe a few separate heads to make them more appropriate for other regains. (Sombreros for south/central America, and big mustachios for the Turks lol)
Now I do remember seeing pics of some Central American troops in flack vests in an old osprey book, but i think they were a mounted mechanized unit. Which is honestly, how i would see it being used if the war ever went hot in Europe daring the 50s early 60s. So I will have them! lol
Maybe the second batch of Americans after I get the US and North Koreans done. ::)
I actually really like that idea about having a few spare ammo pouches, canteens etc. It will allow folks to personals there mins just a bit more. But I am not completely sold on the whole modular min rout yet. If I did that, might as well go plastics. (of course if that was an option would folks go for it?)
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I'm Catholic in my tastes, if not my religious affiliation so I'll happily buy plastic but I hear the start up costs are prohibitive. Then again judging by the figures being bandied around for some of the online crowd funding projects, so popular of late, it would appear that sculpting figures in any medium has become horrendously expensive. ;)
Before it was given stiffening to doll it up, the field/patrol cap was a fairly functional and good looking bit of kit and widely copied. I've seen photos of Indonesians, Cubans, Bolivians, Dutch etc all wearing something similar.
Try and avoid labelling the range as Elvis in the Army. Not only will you have to contend with Priscilla, Lisa Marie and the estates of the late Michael Jackson and possibly Col. Parker but you'll run into trouble marketing them on TMP. Elvis' activities in Germany took place before the notion of a 'registered sex offender' was even thought of so I believe it's viewed as a golden age over there. It's bound to spark furious debate. :D
Really looking forward to this range.
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Well it won't be cheap... and plastics even less so, you might have to sell a kidney, or even two. lol
Good point about flak vests being modelled over the previous dollies without them though... that has to be a cost saving straight off.
The actual 'Ridgeway' cap was never actually a standardised item, it was just 'preferred', as it never lost its shape, or appeared 'slovenly', unlike the M1951 Patrol Cap, which did... after first wash in fact. The difference is that the issue cap 'domed' on the crown, even with cardboard stiffeners inserted, while the Ridgeway was flat, like a good haircut. The Ridgeway was also private purchase, so I wouldn't expect to see it in the field on anyone below Colonel, or Elvis, and it wasn't common until 1953 in any case.
The field cap in all its myriad mis-shapes would be the one seen out in the field... and, as Carlos suggests, by almost every other country on the Marshall Plan or MAP, as well as, more famously, Private Doberman and some of the other characters on the Phil Silvers Show.
I have no idea what obvious differences there would be in 28mm between US Marines and US Army... other than the 'Gomer Pyle' Cap, but I'm guessing not much. I know their uniform initially was the same as WW2, including the spats, but subsequently they too went to combat boots. Possibly then, the initial figures could be used for them too.
I gather that the 'Mars Attacks' range has a possibility of a 1990s theme (as per the comics), despite the original cards being from 1962. Scale is a closely guarded secret as well. I say secret, but I don't think they have actually decided yet to be honest.
If you're really serious about this, it might be worth buttering-up Brent at Company B (I hope to God that doesn't have a different meaning in the USA), as he likes him some US vehicles and might get to work on the odd 'Korean War' specific vehicle, to complement the ones that could already be used from his range.
But anyway... so far, so good and I'm in for at least one platoon's worth, possibly more. :)
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I have a personal interest in the Korean war, and would like to sculpt for such a range.
Whilst in hospital after being attacked a few year ago now, I was bedded next to an older gentleman who had served in Korea, he told me about his war stories which were rather exciting and educated me a little about he war. After getting home I've since looked it up, it's history and innovations.
So yeah, would love to give such a project a go. Not sure I would want to cover every possible aspect though. I'm no way near as button countery as many of you guys are ;)
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Button counting's not a bad thing... but it can define a miniature, or range of miniatures, a little too far sometimes, granted. ;)
I'm generally more than happy to use a range which 'looks like' something other than what was originally intended... so in this case, a basic 'vanilla' range of scruffy-ish Korean War US Infantry in 'Summer' combat dress, I can use for Batista's Army, to a degree Castro's rebels, the Asaltos in the Bay of Pigs and with some weapon and head swaps here and there with other ranges, even Castro's forces at the Bay of Pigs.
Other folk will be able to come up with other variations on a theme for their particular interests I'm sure. The obvious one being the late Pacific War in WW2. Once you define them by adding, say flak vests, though, their use is then strictly limited... even by the type of vest modelled in this case, to a specific time and place. Great in a period of mass appeal like WW2, not so great in a niche period like Korea, where peripheral 'can also be used as' sales would really help.
The point is though, that they still need to 'be' what they were intended as originally, i.e. 'Korean War US Infantry', rather than 'Men in US fatigues with US Weapons' to have credibility as a range of figures in their own right.
+1 for Button Counting here! ;)
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Well since I am leaning towards late war. I am think a combination and mix of the 43 and 51 uniform's. With separate heads. With helmets, helmets with covers, field caps, Ridgeway, and Pyle caps.
Maby even a few in field jackets mixed in. The late war body armor guys will ether be modified version's of the regular troopers body armor. Or a separate range based off of the movie pork chop hill. So latest and greatest kit.
So with that in mind, I think we the summer mid and late war US idea pretty well flushed out. Might hit up company B, for 50s jeep crew and some tank riders.(most likely will be off in the future after I get the first run out.
Now for the DPRK and Chinese forces.
Suggestions ideas?
I am thinking of doing a similar platoon organization and branch off from there.
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You'll need some 50's Jeeps... the WW2 era Willys MB was replaced by the M38 from 1950 and it was noticeably bigger and chunkier than the previous vehicle. That's not to say that there were no MBs used in Korea, but they were in steadily declining numbers right from the start. The old Dodge WC and 2.5t trucks were also partly replaced in the same period by the M37 and M35 respectively, but to a lesser extent and somewhat later.
I'm no expert on Chinese and North Korean uniforms, but their 'Summer' uniforms look near enough identical to me, even down to the canvas and rubber boots. The caps appear different though, with the DPRK one looking similar to the US Field cap, while the Chinese one is very much the 'Mao' type. Helmets don't seem to appear in photos, but if they were worn, the DPRK would likely have had the Soviet style helmet. The DPRK had the full range of Soviet weapons (and their organisation); Mosin-Nagant Rifles, PPSh and PPS smgs, DP lmgs and so on. They even used AT Rifles.
The Chinese were somewhat more varied with their weapons, their signature weapon being their Thompson copy, along with Enfields, Springfields, Mausers, Garands and Arisakas, amongst other rifles, as well as the normal Soviet range of items. The Chinese really were a mixed bag as far as weapons went. I've seen the SKS mentioned too, but I have never seen a picture with one in the Korean War era.
Personally I would go for the same format as you plan for the Americans, with a set of packs to enable a platoon to be fielded straight off the bat, plus some light support weapons (60mm mortar, 'Maxim' mg). The DPRK were more lavishly equipped than the Chinese, if the Soviet pattern of organisation could be described as 'lavish' that is anyway.
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You'll need some 50's Jeeps... the WW2 era Willys MB was replaced by the M38 from 1950 and it was noticeably bigger and chunkier than the previous vehicle.
Can't agree with that. If anything the M38 is smaller than the MB.
Some Pakistani jeep enthusiasts. On the left Willys MB, on the right M38...
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/Plynkes/thapril1441old_DH7_PakWheelscom_zps9e3c06fe.jpg) (http://s2.photobucket.com/user/Plynkes/media/thapril1441old_DH7_PakWheelscom_zps9e3c06fe.jpg.html)
You may be thinking of the M38A1 (which is chunky). The M38A1 may or may not have made it into action in Korea (not sure) as they came out in I think 1953.
M38A1
(http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y40/Plynkes/m38a1-rf_zpsd1b3884c.jpg) (http://s2.photobucket.com/user/Plynkes/media/m38a1-rf_zpsd1b3884c.jpg.html)
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Yep, I probably am thinking of the M38A1... and I will take your word on sizes too. However the two are at least noticeably 'different' no?
:)
I noticed that JTFM have an Indiegogo page for the M26 Pershing (http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/jtfm-enterprises-die-waffenkammer-1-56-scale-m26-pershing-tank) up btw.
So with the exception of the fore-mentioned M38 Jeep, M37 and M35 trucks, the M46 Patton and the M19 GMC, pretty much the full range of Korean War vehicles is, or is soon to be, out there somewhere.
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I would be interested in some figures from this period. Although I would be more interested in Australian troops I would happily buy some Americans. Of course I would buy both North Koreans and Chinese too.
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The M38A1 is basically the military version of the CJ5. If anyone is after some, there are some decent diecast versions from Johnny Lightning/ Mattel. They were being sold for around $3-5 a pop when I bought mine and the bonnet even opens to show a miniature engine. They are nominally 1/64 but they seem to go well with 28mm figures. I bought a number to go with my Portuguese and I think they look fine although I'm not super anal about vehicle scales.
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Actually I think Korea is oddly enough one of those periods that's well catered for in the vehicle department. About the only two things that I can't think of in an appropriate scale are the M46 tank and the M19 SPAA. Jeff Trinka is about to bring out an M26. Pretty much everything else exists in resin, plastic or diecast metal from one or another WW2 range.
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I noticed that JTFM have an Indiegogo page for the M26 Pershing (http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/jtfm-enterprises-die-waffenkammer-1-56-scale-m26-pershing-tank) up btw.
So with the exception of the fore-mentioned M38 Jeep, M37 and M35 trucks, the M46 Patton and the M19 GMC, pretty much the full range of Korean War vehicles is, or is soon to be, out there somewhere.
Actually I think Korea is oddly enough one of those periods that's well catered for in the vehicle department. About the only two things that I can't think of in an appropriate scale are the M46 tank and the M19 SPAA. Jeff Trinka is about to bring out an M26. Pretty much everything else exists in resin, plastic or diecast metal from one or another WW2 range.
Do try to keep up old chap! ;)
Nevertheless, it is... even the Soviet kit is all there too iirc. All that's missing are the figures.
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oops ::)
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Are these new Artizan WW2 Special Service Force figures in parkas of any use?
http://www.artizandesigns.com/prod.php?prod=1916
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Please pardon my ignorance, as I'm way outside my comfort zone. When I first saw the images of the figures in parkas my immediate thought was they would be useful for Korea, but are the new Artisan WWII Devil's brigade figures not suitable for Korea?
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I actually didn't even know they existed lol.
I am thinking they will work just fine for the first winter of the war and for the Chosin reservoir.
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I would be interested in some figures from this period. Although I would be more interested in Australian troops I would happily buy some Americans. Of course I would buy both North Koreans and Chinese too.
I understand where you are coming from, and would like to eventual do the commonwealth troops also.
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I actually didn't even know they existed lol.
I am thinking they will work just fine for the first winter of the war and for the Chosin reservoir.
I think that they're a brand new release this week - so you can be forgiven for not knowing that they existed!
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Please pardon my ignorance, as I'm way outside my comfort zone. When I first saw the images of the figures in parkas my immediate thought was they would be useful for Korea, but are the new Artisan WWII Devil's brigade figures not suitable for Korea?
Some are, some aren't. Those that aren't are wearing the M1941 Field Jacket, which is somewhat shorter than the M1943 one, which reached to the thighs.
/buttoncounting.
To be honest though, I'd be happy to use them as is. So one or two of them have the wrong jacket, big deal. They have the 'look' over all, especially the Parka clad ones.
:)
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Annoyingly (for our purposes) they are virtually all equipped with pistol holsters and even more annoyingly most packs are a mix of shirtsleeves, M41 Parsons Jackets etc. Makes it a bit of a bugger if you plan on using them in the depths of a Korean winter.
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I was so busy getting one over on Carlos, that I actually forgot to say that Warlord Games have a M26 Pershing in their range, besides the forthcoming Jeff Trinka one.
::)
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Oh I should say that when I was saying they would work in a pinch I was referring the Artizan regular winter world war 2 set. So I guess the plane is still on for late Korean war/1950s US troops in summer and winter gear. lol
And then Maybe a set based off of the movie "Pork chop hill"
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Ok So these are some images I found trolling the web, to try and find some proper models for the uniforms. Its seems to be a nice mix mash of the 43 and 51 uniforms. Thought oppions? And which images do you think I could use as prototypes for prospective sculptor's?
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Out of interest and not that it really matters in terms of uniforms and equipment, but the two black guys on the first set of photos, are Ethiopian, not American.
I would stay clear of 'modern' depictions and stick to original photos, it's not like there is a shortage and recreations can be wrong... several of the guys depicted are wearing black boots for a start, which didn't happen until the late 50s.
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October 1950. Paratroopers (187th ARCT?) 'meet and greet' men of the 1st Cavalry Division.
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Soldiers compare the old M9 Bazooka (right), with the new M20 'Super Bazooka'.
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Troops on 'Old Baldy', March 1953. Note no flak-vests and helmet covers made from hessian sacking.
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August 1950. Not sure who is retreating and who is advancing...
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M20 Recoilless in operation, no date.
These were just off a search on 'Korean War' on Google, dig deeper and there should be even more. Some credits mix up Marines and Army and I find it hard to tell which is which, except in 1950, when the Marines were still wearing the WW2-era spats.
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Inchon 1950, US Marines in action.
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Seoul September 1950. Also Marines, although if the Lt. in the foreground hadn't been identified by name (Lt. Robert L. Strickland, USMC), I wouldn't have known.
As a rough rule of thumb, it looks to me like the main difference between Marines and Army, is that the Army appear to have no helmet covers until late in the war.
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My bad, I was in a hurry last night to get things posted and tossed the Ethiopians up. lol
Also for some reason half the real life pics I posted are not showing up. Strange.
And I was.only posting the "reactors" to get a feel for the 43 vs the 51 uniforms. In color. So the Leather buckles around the top of the boots lasted the whole war then?
I was seeing them and thought 1950-51.
I just want to have a nice mix for mid-late war and into the early 60s. And thanks for posting up about the hession sacks, i was starting to wounder why they were not using the reversible canvas helmet cover.
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No, the Ethiopians are a good clean shot of the full US rig... I mentioned it just out of interest. :)
From what I can gather, the M1943 'double buckle' boots lasted the whole war, alongside the M1948 'jump boot' styled ones, although the later type was very popular, troops apparently taking 'wrong-sized' ones, rather than having to wear the old M1943 ones.
Likewise with uniforms, there seems to be an eclectic mix of WW2 HBT (or even wool items), worn alongside later patterns. It's almost as if you can date photos by the degrees of OD107 worn by the subjects...
Helmet covers don't seem to be an army 'thing' at this time. I know they borrowed netting from the British and Canadians in WW2, before coming out with their own by the end of the war. Almost all photos of the army in Korea show 'clean helmets', with occasionally mud smeared on, or the 'hessian' ones in the last year. The Marines had their reversible ones from 1942/3 onwards, but all I can gather is that the army didn't officially adopt one until the Vietnam era (the 'Mitchell' cover).
The guys in the photo and indeed Gregory Peck and company, in Pork Chop Hill, appear to be using pieces of sandbag hessian, rather neatly formed into helmet covers. These are most likely a field mod, rather than any sort of general issue.
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Seems like up until the very end, field units will present a very motley appearance then. Also even though I love the "Pork chop hill" look. I am going to save them for after I get a basic US infantry and PLA/DPRK infantry out.
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The only thing 'uniform' about the US Army was its helmet, the one size only M1. Uniforms were from several different issue dates and came in a variety of sizes, 'too big' being perhaps the most common.
It's the same story with Winter clothing too by the look of it, with a mix of Great Coats or Parkas. ::)
I think you have the right idea though, generic early US before the more 'regularised' appearance of the last few months. :)
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Ok then still mixed jump boots and ankle buckle boots, crazy mix of the LBEs and ammo bandoleers with troops putting kit pouches and canteens willy-nilly.
straight leg 43 and 51 issue trousers. Correct me if I am wrong but I am not seeing to many pic's with cargo pockets. Am I wrong in thinking that was still mostly an airborne thing is the US Army.
Then 43-51 tops, with a few guys wearing field jackets over em, with out the woolly under shirts.
Mixed head gear and we are off with the basic look anyways.
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I'm not sure cargo pockets were even an Airborne 'thing' at this time, judging by the picture of the troopers shown in the first picture. They seem to be wearing 'ordinary infantry gear' with a unit specific stencil on the helmet, rather than any kind of 'Paratroop fatigues', as was the case in WW2. That's just one photo though and others might tell a different story.
The LBE was one type afaik and I'd imagine that anything other than the '44 OG7 colour to be a rarity. Pouches and canteens seem to be roughly in the same positions, with some guys packing extra canteens/pouches here and there. Unlike most everything else, the LBE didn't change between WW2 and 1956, when an entirely new pattern was brought in (although it was 'backwards compatible' to a point).
The way I see it, you have two basic styles to go for, other than 'Winter' anyway;
Summer - fatigue shirt, sometimes over t-shirt, sometimes not.
Spring/Autumn - fatigue or wool shirt under '43 or '51 field jacket.
I would pick one and go for it initially, with the correspondingly similar 'look' for the DPRK, rather than a vague mix of both. I can't speak for everyone, but for me, packs which mix styles are a real pain in the butt.
Looking at various photos, all the guys seem to be wearing the same thing at the same time, I don't recall seeing some guys in field jackets and others just in shirts in the same photo.
There are pros and cons either way. Field jackets can be used for Late WW2 in Europe, while the others would work for Late WW2 Pacific and Far East (I think?). I guess some sort of market research/poll is in order to determine the best option for you to go for.
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If you are going to sell them and hopefully get a return on the investment I'd suggest three factors to consider.
1) Uniqueness. When marketing figures never underestimate the appeal something shiny and new. You want something that really says Korea.
2)Crossover potential. ' I don't game Korea but I could use these for.....'
3) Toys, we all like toys and for the 20th C that means tanks.
One and two might appear inimical but they don't need to be. Nobody else does a Korean War range in summer kit, If you do guys in jackets and various boot styles, folk might be inclined to say yeah I'll just use WW2 figures as proxies. They also give them that MASH feel, which, let's be honest, is what most people associate with Korea.
Do them in shirtsleeves and plain pots and folk might pick them up for other purposes.
Do them in summer kit and you get the toy angle. Task Force Smith vs hordes of T-34s. Inchon with LVTs and you get to use all those M26s, Shermans and Chaffees before the whole thing becomes WW1 on frozen hilltops. If you are doing DPRK troops it makes sense to match them up against troops in summer kit.
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Given the choice, the 'Summer' option works better for me too. :)
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So summer in light kit it is for regular army and DPRK. Then winter in parkas to set them apart from the battle of the bulge ranges already out along with PLA/NKA winter. And then finish up with the on shiny uniformed fully kited later war movie style guys.
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I would think your initial planned releases will keep you occupied for the foreseeable future. ;)
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I would think your initial planned releases will keep you occupied for the foreseeable future. ;)
Agreed, now I need to find a production company, and a sculptor who will be willing to take this project on, and then pay them to do it. lol
As I said before this is a long term goal.
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Winter kit 1951
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Slow down Joe
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Good View of the back packs and kit.
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Good profile and side view of troops and kit.
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Good view of a Mortar crew in body armor.
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Good view of web gear with add on's
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Winter kit and 1919A6
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Late war digging in. Also a good view of scrub in the background
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Soul or Inchon
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NKA surrendering
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With a little bit of modification these guys will fit the bill for US troops :P
http://wargamesfactory.com/webstore/world-war-2/28mm-us-infantry
Still not perfect though :`
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They do work but it would be quite a bit of work filing off 30+ sets of gaiters and then adding green stuff to extend the trouser legs. Had they gone with the more typical double buckle boot and M43 jacket combo they would have been ideal. They are very nice figures if a bit fiddly in terms of getting the arms and weapons combos right. Worth getting to add some variety to your figures and they scale fairly well against companies like Empress, Eureka etc.
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Agreed.
Good enough for proxies, but still not the real thing.
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It's quite odd, I seem to remember that at one time you couldn't find US WW2 Infantry in anything but the late war kit, now you can't find them with it.
:)
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Funny how that works out. :D
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Back from the grave, does any one know the TO&E of the Korean people's army and the Chinese forces?
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I can't remember which sources I used, but I did put these posts together on my blog:
DPRK (http://arlequinsworld.blogspot.com.es/2012/08/the-dprk-korean-peoples-army.html)
CPVA (http://arlequinsworld.blogspot.com.es/2012/08/chinese-forces-in-korean-war.html)
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Good enough for government work. lol
Thank you for the info.
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Have a look at some of Artizans Devils Brigade
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http://www.redstarminiatures.eu/shop_DBP.html
As a slightly off the wall suggestion it might be worth looking at some of the French figs in Red Stars Indo China range
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Have a look at some of Artizans Devils Brigade
I have some of those. Again OK, proxies but several issues with them.
1) Trousers are the mountain troops variety with big bellow pockets.
2) Just about every figure has a holstered pistol and the way it is sculpted makes it a pain to file off.
The Red Star or rather ex Redstar FFL look nothing like US troops for Korea.
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It was just a thought!
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Hey Arlequin do you still have the info on the DPRK and CPVA? I checked out the links and the info is no longer there.
Also
http://www.warlordgames.com/new-us-army-infantry-in-winter-clothing/?utm_source=Warlord+Games+Newsletter&utm_campaign=dc9174b614-Warlord_Games_Newsletter_5_December_2015&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_b7e928b4ed-dc9174b614-121423186&mc_cid=dc9174b614&mc_eid=669a83c877
Bolt-action warlord games winter war U.S. infantry. Off to a good start.
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Yes, I took them down for re-writing and haven't had chance to do that. I can put them back up as they were if you like?
As for the Warlord figures, I can't understand why they mixed greatcoats with combat jackets... it would be one or the other.... and for Korea only the jackets work if memory serves.
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I will have to double check but I suspect you are right. Need to dig my books out of storage.
Warlord is history light, is the best thing I can figure. They love the Rambo effect of every one looking different. I mean yes units in the field in extended combat are not parade ready. But units usually get issued equipment in bulk, and that includes uniforms.
I would still like to see the info online, and if its not to much trouble to repost it that is.. I need to write new notes and keep it in a place the GF wont think is trash. lol
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Correction, I was looking though pictures of the 1950-51 winter fighting and saw lots of guys with trench coats. So at least for the first winter they will do.
Now all they need are guys with 75, 90 and 54mm recoil less rifles. Bazooka's and super Bazooka's. War cooled 30cals. Etc
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Okay I'll do that imminently... it's no trouble.
...and yes, you're right, there are quite a few pics of greatcoats in Korea, although I suspect they are from the Winter of 1950 he said hoping to save face.
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yes 1950, I posted late and was trying to say winter of 1950 and early spring 1951. I failed
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Now all they need are guys with 75, 90 and 54mm recoil less rifles. Bazooka's and super Bazooka's. War cooled 30cals. Etc
So pretty much everything except the 81mm Mortar and M1919 and of course the enemy. lol
I do think they do look better than some of the usual Warlord figures though.
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So pretty much everything except the 81mm Mortar and M1919 and of course the enemy. lol
I do think they do look better than some of the usual Warlord figures though.
Right! ::)
Now I just need 35 sculpts for mid-late war US and at least 26 for DPRK troops...not including heads and weapons that might not have sculpts already. You know just to start....And that's with out battalion level support....I need to make more money. lol
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Ok juggled the numbers a little bit now and here is what I got.
in mixed m-43 and m-51 uniforms, M-1943 (Double Buckle) and M1948 Russet Combat Boots.
Platoon HQ US
1 LT with Carbine, 45, possible walky talky style radio (RTO training failing me, can not remember what its designation was)
Platoon sergeant and staff NCO with Carbines or M3A1
And 2 Runners. I am thinking of making them the Foo section because the rifle sections with have five men each and the extra man can fill the runners role. Because from what I have read the US army moved to a nine man squad by the time of Korea.
two, Five man squad packs.
rifle section 1
1 NCO carbine
1 BAR 1918A2
1 Ammo barrier(AB) armed with M1
2 Riflemen armed with M1
rifle section 2
1 NCO rifle or Carbine
1 BAR
1 m1 rifle with L7 Launcher.
1 rifleman
1 m1c marksmen.
This is where the extra rifle man comes in. You can field the m1c marksmen rifle and have and extra figure to add as you see fit. Or remove the scope and he is just a reagular extra M1 rifle men.
Light MG section. M1919A6
2 team moving to emplace
2 team emplaced.
Do you think one extra figure to represent an AB should be added to the team making it 5?
Final Platoon support.
2 man Rocket team with M20
1 medic
1 casualty
option for another fig or leave as is.
Company assets.
57mm Recoils rifle team
60mm motors
Can ether make this into one pack of 4 or make it into 2 packs each deploying and employing the guns.
Same with the Regimental assets, M2, 80mm mortar..etc
heads will be
Winter Pile Hat
mixed M43 and M51 Field caps
M1 helmets bare with maybe a set of goggles on one of them
M1 with cover for the USMC and the Hanson sack covered ones.
Now for DPRK
a lot simpler. Summer uniforms.
5 man rifle section. Ok at a lost for what kind of rifles to give them. Should they all be mosin-nagant or should I add some thing else?
5 man PPSh section.
5 man Light Machinegun section with
2 men armed with DP LMG (one advancing another on the ground firing it)
3 riflemen (AB's) have at least one handing ammo at the ready for the DP gunner on the ground.
5 man command section
1 officer
3 NCOs
1 medic
1 cashilty
company assets.
61mm motars
Anti-tank Rifle
And another LMG section. I am guessing these would be crew served LMGS but not sure.
regimental support
45mm AT
PM M1910 (Machine Gun)
etc
heads
Field caps
Field caps with foliage
Soviet helmet
Soviet helmet with foliage.
thought an ideas?
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That seems a very well thought out plan to me. Personally I like the idea of both moving and deployed weapon teams, although other peoples' mileage might vary. Good call on the U.S. packs too, the 'two-BAR' squads were later rather than earlier, so with things as you've planned, you can take out one BAR guy for 'early' and swap a rifleman out for him later. With the choice of two BARs the squads won't look so samey.
I'm tempted to say that the Lt probably wouldn't carry the Walkie-Talkie himself, only using it when he had to, so I guess one of the G.I.s carried that for him and took his calls.
For the DPRK, from what I can gather the predominant rifle was the Moisin-Nagant in both rifle and carbine forms. The Japanese Type 30/38 & 99 coming in second place. As time went by more PPSh's appeared and were preferred for the firepower they could throw out. All I can suggest is that whichever rifle you choose, stick to one type (i.e. MN or Japanese) across the range; I don't see units mixing types myself.
Nice, hope it comes off! :)
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Looks a good list. Now you need to work up the UN forces lol
How far along are you with it?
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Moisin-Nagant it is then for the DPRK forces then. Makes things easier on the Logistics train and will tie them in better with the Peoples volunteers when I try to take on that group....and maybe later if this kicks off can have a few sets of mixed U.N. weapons.
So Still thinking DPRK force first then, with the US 2nd or around the same time.
And that's kind of what I was going for with the two BARs, if and when I get this thing started I would also eventually like to make a few extra sets say with every one armed with M3A1s or Carbines to mix and match the squads even more. But for now at least try to stick to the basic TO&E.
Also I agree with the Walkie-talkie. Most of the time when I was an RTO, I was just the LTs and Platoon sergeants shadow, relaying messages, calling for support, while the FOO would be on the fires communicating with what ever assist we might have on hand. usually had two mikes and a platoon net radio on my person at all times. And when the they needed to call out they just grabbed one mike off my chest or more usually just had me report in.
So have the Radio guys, one with a man pack and the other with the walkiy talking. That leaves 3 figers in the Plt HQ with different posses that can be changed out in the squad sections to represent their NCOS if so desired.
And the idea I have with the Deployed and set weapons teams, is that at least for the smaller support weapon teams. (30 cal LMG, 60mm motar) it allows for folks to field them as two different teams they so desire. And for the more fiddling folks like us can have them represent the same team only in different stages.
Mike Bravo: Well the list is as you see it so far. Still need to figure out the money thing and get a sculptor that has no problem doing historically accurate figures and is also up to the standard that I think the conflict deserves. (Empress, some Bolt-action WW2, Eureka and some of the Figs you commissioned look about what I am aiming for.
Now Lucky for me that most of the U.N. forces drew their weapons, kit, and uniforms from US stores. After the first winter I am pretty sure you could represent most of the groups with just a slightly different paint...At least for the Turks, Tai, Filipino, Ethiopian's etc. Might commotion just different heads for these guys.
Now I will have to check on some of the Other European forces to make sure that their uniforms and weapons didn't differ to much from this. I am not sure what the French or Greeks used and I believe the Belgians deployed with a camo jacket of some kind.
I am thinking the biggest hurdle will be the ROK troops and Commonwealth troops.
ROK because I have to decide if I want to use the American figs with different heads, or actually commission a whole line represent them.
And then of course for the Commonwealth troops it comes down to different kit, uniforms, weapons. every thing. And then to make it more fun you guys have slightly different uniforms, headgear and even a few weapons that on other nation has. lol
I would love to do commonwealth after I get the US, DPRK, ROK and Chines knocked out.
Would also like to make or covenant the GIs to having flak vest eventually to look like the Joes in "Pork chop hill" too.
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I seem to recall that 41 Ind. Commando Royal Marines, were completely kitted out with U.S.M.C. uniforms and weapons, apart from the green beret when not wearing their M1 helmets obviously. Some things you just don't give up.
As far as I know the Greeks wore U.S. Kit (if not British-style battledress initially). The French if not like-wise kitted out, would wear the same uniforms as for Indochina... so no problems there. The British can be covered by 'turtle-helmeted' WWII (or beret/knitted 'commando caps'), although strictly speaking the open-necked battledress jacket had replaced the close-necked WWII type (although that too could be buttoned up to the neck). A green stuff scarf will work wonders if it doesn't look right to anyone though.
It's going to be a long haul and the extras can come in good time... Koreans, U.S. and Chinese are the core elements and I'm sure will drive any interest, the rest can come later and be funded by the success of the initial packs... if you can't sell the headliners, I'm sure you won't sell the supporting acts. Company B (amongst others) do the main vehicles and I don't doubt might be inclined to tackle anything missing with enough encouragement.
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Alas nobody makes Mk III/IV/V 'turtle' helmets in 28mm, save for some rather indistinct and heavily scrimmed ones in the Gripping Beast -Mofo line. I've been after some for conversion purposes. I'm hoping that when and if Wargames Factory get around to doing a WW2 British set there will be helmets in there. Actually WF are bloody good in this respect, you get heaps of spare head variants, so they are an excellent source of spares.
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So pretty much what I thought. :D
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This is a perfect topic for folks to share on the Korean War Gaming Forum:
http://foxcompany.freeforums.org/portal.php (http://foxcompany.freeforums.org/portal.php)
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Thank you for the link
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Found this pod cast on said Korean conflict.
https://koreanwarpodcast.com/2015/09/
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News! The folks at warlord games are makeing a Korean war supplement, along with Chinese troops. I hope they are are decent, and should come out next year.
I asked about South and North Korean troops being made and was given a wink and a can't talk about that now.
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Great! Maybe. :?
I have mixed feelings about Warlord and how they try to make something 'cool'. Add-in their poor record for sculpting non-caucasians and indeed some caucasians and it might not necessarily be a good thing.
On the plus side the vehicles will be good. :)
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Yeah same here. They really pick some piss poor sculptors. Better then me mind you. But nothing I would want to spend money on lol.
But I am applying the "if they build it, they will come." When it comes to eras.
By creating a market for the Korean war, more companies will jump on.
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You're right, 'BA: Korea' can't be anything but good for the era. :)
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Yep, and I am going to try to be an optimus. And fingers crossed that they do a good job of it. :D
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I hope they come up with something decent and to be fair some of their recent releases haven’t been too bad, the greatcoated Germans seem to be quite good judging by the thread on here but Voldemort’s research is generally quite poor.
Adding to the sculpting woes of gurning faces and odd proportions there now seems to be a range of sculptors who sculpt in wildly different sizes. The recent Australians are absolutely enormous.
I half suspect they’ll rehash WW2 Soviets and maybe add some new heads.
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I think they just got confused by the "6 foot four and full of muscles" line while consulting their primary source material for Australians.
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Makes perfect sense, especially in light of the fact that the singer is Scottish. lol
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Ideally they'll forgo a plastic kit and just go for pewter infantry. Not ideal if you want tonnes of troops and don't want to fork out the cash, but those Warlord plastics have just awful proportions (Games Workshop bad). I'd prefer more stuff like those Australians, if only because the heads don't look so huge when on taller bodies. Though I doubt they'll ever go the Perry route of more reasonably sized 28mms.
If they're doing Koreans I wonder if that's in part a reason to also be covering their Konflikt 47 line? I was told that they were working on a Centurion years ago for instance. Though I doubt they're doing much in the ways of realistic stuff for that alt history setting (their tanks so far have been awful). I wouldn't mind seeing their Soviet arsenal being expanded to cover more Cold War stuff, or rather the gaps in their line, as that would cover other conflicts as well better than some of the WWII weaponry in use. Of course with non-Soviet crews. 1/56th tanks may be stretching their marketability if they don't want to fully commit unfortunately, and if they do go ahead with the concept I'd suspect that they'd do a handful of Korean War specific vehicles and leave us to cannibalise the WWII range for the rest.
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Yes the new Australian line looks like a bunch of gumbees. I would rather just convert the chindits and a set of their plastics then use em. Of course Eureka' s ones are not to bad.
I would love it if they could do a decent line of metals "like Empress" but I am afraid they will suffer from the wierd stances that many of their newer metals suffer from. And dont get me started on the inconsistent weapon sizes. :p
Rant aside if they do it right, I could deal with Chinese and Korean plastics. :)
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And it would be nice if they did do the 1950s vehicles also. :D
I mean if they can make spider panzers, then why not a Centurion or some of the odd proto APC's that were experimented with.
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Not sure there's much in the way of 1950s vehicles required for Korea, it's pretty much all WW2 surplus. Appropriate Shermans, Chaffees, T-34s, Churchills, Centurions, M26 and M46 are all already available from a variety of makers and some of those are far better models than Warlord are ever likely to make*. About the only thing you might consider would be an M39 carrier and that could be converted without too much bother from the Warlord/Italeri M18 Hellcat kit, that and a Windor carrier for the Brits and IIRC Rich Humble was looking at making one. In fact I more than suspect that the whole rationale for Korea is to get extra life out of their existing WW2 models and miniatures. Expect to see their Winter US Army re-packaged in the future. ;)
Everything about the Warlord Australians is big. They have Owen guns the size of drainpipes. Fortunately, they are an irrelevance as there is a vastly superior and more accurate range available from Eureka. Speaking of which, if you were to cover up most of the US style gaiters with green stuff, would make serviceable Australians for the warmer months in Korea. The Glosters at Imjin attracts most of the attention around Commonwealth participation but 3 RAR at Kapyong is an equally interesting and epic struggle.
*M4A3E8: Rubicon, Company B, JTFM.
Chaffee: Company B
T-34/85: Rubicon
M26: Company B, JTFM
Centurion: JTFM and also Blitzkreig with a barrel swap.
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Agreed, I still have my warlord plastics Pacific war U.S. Army useing USMC, but with uncovered M1 helmets.
Debating weather I should try to give them buckle boots to work for the summer of 1950 and 51.
Becase you know they are going to flog their current crop of us troops with out 43 pattern uniforms as Korean war troops. lol
I mean why not? Bolt action isn't about history, it's about point driven tournament games.
Well seems I need to get to converting my Joe's then, I was planning on useing them for late Philippians, Okinawa anyways.
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I have seen a few docs about Kapyong. One hard fought engagement.
Same with the last stand of the Glosters. Honinstly every nation involved has at least one storied assault and defense to Bragg about in the Korean conflict.
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The lack of any armour for the NK/Chi-com forces after the first few months or so might limit the appeal, unless you do go for the 'what-if' factor. In this case it would be "what if the UN hadn't got overwhelming air power".
Call me 'glass half-empty' but I do envision a rash of inappropriate 'use as' options, rather than 'new stuff'.
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Yeah, but that just means the NK/Chinese players will just have to play smart. I could see them play alot like the Japanese, but with out the whole bonzi thing.
And lots of night attacks to help reduce UN troops fire power advantage.
Of course a few Chinese tanks did show up at the end of the war. Just not that often.
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Ah, but in your experience of Bolt Action, how many players are likely to adopt that attitude? In the popularity scale, where do the Japanese fit?
I anticipate 'no tanks - no go' might dominate, unless un-historical is the route travelled.
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I suspect the main appeal will be folk wanting to play Rorke’s drift with machineguns and obliging ‘commies’ presenting themselves to be mown down as proxy Zulus in human waves. Warlord should cater well for such a market.
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All depends. We have a dozen Japanese players in are area, and the 4 that took part in are 1945 Manchuria campaign halted the great sovit push. Thus makeing the war last into 1946 with the allies haveing to invade Japan. :`
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That being said, none of the German players wanted to jump in. Not enough wonder weapons and SS to in camo to excite them. lol
And nothing wrong with recreating Rofkes Drift with commies as the baddies. lol
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All that despite the Korean War offering plenty of kosha infantry platoon on infantry platoon actions. ::)
A true Rourke's Drift scenario would be more like Task Force Smith's holding action right at the start of the war. Although facing T34/85 companies with old M9 Bazookas, RCLs with no ammo and the 6 AP Shells of each 105mm howitzer, might be more like Isandlwana.
lol
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Pretty much, all that time being far a happy. Partying in Japan with no field training, matanence and low ammunition really kicked the army of Japanese occupation in the butt when they had to go to Korea. lol
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I will admit to it being a period I know even less about, but the Squadron/Signal publication "Armor[sic] In Korea" seems to provide a short overview (YMMV). Sometimes the UN/US/ROK forces are the ones seeing off lots of tanks with just bad language.
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In the first few months it certainly was the case, but the NK armoured corps was eventually wiped out by air attack, or abandoned after mechanical failure or lack of fuel (and then attacked from the air anyway) during the retreat after the Pusan Breakout and Inchon Landings.
Certainly after November 1950 there appear to be no encounters with either T-34 or SU-76; a few panic attacks when abandoned/destroyed vehicles 'appeared' excepted. The IS-IIs they possessed were kept out of the fight and were eventually kept close to the Soviet Border.
The Centurions deployed never had to face other armour, barring a captured Cromwell the RIH had to put down. Chaffees and Easy 8 Shermans, with quite small numbers of Pershings,. did most of the heavy lifting initially, bolstered by the later arrival of M46 Pattons.
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In the first few months it certainly was the case, but the NK armoured corps was eventually wiped out by air attack, or abandoned after mechanical failure or lack of fuel (and then attacked from the air anyway) during the retreat after the Pusan Breakout and Inchon Landings.
Certainly after November 1950 there appear to be no encounters with either T-34 or SU-76; a few panic attacks when abandoned/destroyed vehicles 'appeared' excepted. The IS-IIs they possessed were kept out of the fight and were eventually kept close to the Soviet Border.
The Centurions deployed never had to face other armour, barring a captured Cromwell the RIH had to put down. Chaffees and Easy 8 Shermans, with quite small numbers of Pershings,. did most of the heavy lifting initially, bolstered by the later arrival of M46 Pattons.
Well airpower was largely ineffective against tanks in Korea. Tank kills of the first 5 months of the war were extensively analyzed (the luxury of recapturing all the terrain and getting the wrecks). Considering only destroyed (not abandoned) abandoned tanks the BRL teams counted around 160 wrecks (quoting from memory). Much more than half of those wrecks were hit by direct tank fire, roughly half by M26 the other rough half by Sherman 76, one by M24. If I recall correctly air to ground kills were less than 40. The balance being artillery, bazookas, mines. Of course you can argue that the abandoned tanks were a byproduct of supply interdiction... lol
About the post July 51 tank losses... according to Chinese records they and the KPA lost several T-34/85 to combat action. One Chinese regiment lost around 75% of vehivles on the frontline, then Chinese tanks were husbanded back. so there was definitely PLA/KPA use of tanks in the second part of the war. Now, I have only seen big data... sooner or later I will have to try to grab regiment/battalion reports... but as a friend told me 'the government wants to keep secret even our lunch, guess military archives!'
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The Operations Research Office (ORO) would beg to differ with those figures.
According to them (Employment of armor in Korea, 1951) North Korea committed and appear to have lost some 320 T-34/85 tanks during the invasion and retreat of 1950. Investigators managed to locate 239 wrecks between Sept and Oct 1950, of which only 39 were assessed to have definitely been knocked out by other tanks. Some of those had been hit by various different weapons, presumably when encountered some time after being knocked out in the first place. In comparison 102 had been destroyed by air attack, napalm accounting for 60 of those.
Given the U.S. Army was suffering something like 40% total losses to mechanical failure (M26 & M46, 20% M4) and 38% of combat losses were due to mines, I'm not certain that many tankers even saw a T-34 that was still 'live'. Granted that when they did they typically took down around five for each of their own, unless they were in M24s.
A copy of the report can be downloaded here; http://cgsc.cdmhost.com/cdm/ref/collection/p4013coll11/id/1685
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I beg to differ because a later (1953) ORO report clearly states that:
89 tanks were destroyed by US Army or USMC tanks on a total of 119 tank vs tank action examined to november 50. Break down was the following:
M-24: 1
M-4: 41
M-26: 29
M-46: 18
Other causes:
aircraft: 27
grenade: 3 (!)
mines: 1
RCL: 9
Bazooka: 11
Artillery: 20
unconfirmed causes: 63
Total: 223 plus an additional 33 damaged (and abandoned/recovered by UN forces)
The report I am looking into was disseminated in 1954.
There was an earlier report covering up to September 1950 (but disseminated in April 51) that listed much less tank engagements and tank vs tank kills in the same period, but it was then revised with air kills reduced considerably. The original report credited air with 102 kills napalm being 60, I assume this is the report you are looking at. Of course Far East Air Forces claimed 1256 tanks killed by air from June 1950 to June 1952...
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There was an earlier report covering up to September 1950 (but disseminated in April 51) that listed much less tank engagements and tank vs tank kills in the same period, but it was then revised with air kills reduced considerably.
Personally I trust the guys who were on the ground, looking at the vehicles in situ, shortly after the action took place, more than I do a 'subsequent revision' somewhat later and elsewhere. I mean, if tanks weren't worth the expense, budgets for them might be adjusted. In 1954 it was all "we have an air force and the 'H-Bomb', who needs an army, let alone tanks?".
;)
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Actually I trust more the 54' report. It is more complete, and the wrecks were carefully inspected with time. Steve Zaloga trusts the 54' report more too. Actually there is the case that the 50/51 report was done in a hurry, without too much examination and there was an effort to justify effectiveness of CAS. anyway if I recall correctly the 50/51 is labelled as preliminary.
Of course each one is free to believe what he wants...
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Very interested to see that this thread has recently been revived. Also pleased to hear that the Korean war is to receive the Warlord treatment in the near future.
Anything that brings this largely forgotten war to the wargamers attention must be a good thing.
I am currently planning to run a Korean war game on the second weekend of September involving about 10 players. That is if I can find a new venue in time as we have just been told that our first choice has been double booked. :(
Clearly I am not going to be able to be too fussy about having all the figures in the correct uniforms. Apart from the Devils Brigade figures already mentioned there will certainly have to be lots of WW2 figures and lots of Back of Beyond and Sino-Japanese figures for the opposition. If I waited for all the right figures to be available none of my projects would ever happen. And yes, rules will be Bolt Action as everyone seems to know them already.
1st Corps make 8 british and 8 chinese figures. One of our number commissioned some N Korean figures under the name of Adarga. Also, Reiver Castings are about to bring out a Korean War range. No support weapons other than WW2 seem to be available although I did find an M66 honeycomb mortar, in resin, on Ebay from Any-Scale Models.
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I would be interested to see what Reiver Castings puts out. One of the problems with the other ranges is they only put out one or two sets. Leavening ever thing else to be sourced else where. :?
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I would be interested to see what Reiver Castings puts out
Judging by their other ranges, the answer is likely to be ‘vaguely anthropomorphic fishing weights’.
Expensive and not 100% accurate but between Warlords plastic Russians and their Japanese, you could probably knock up some fairly acceptable proxies for the Chinese. A bit of greenstuff and carving and winter North Koreans should be possible from the Russians alone.
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I would be interested to see what Reiver Castings puts out
Judging by their other ranges, the answer is likely to be ‘vaguely anthropomorphic fishing weights’.
lol lol lol lol
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I acquired a force of Chinese which were converted from Artisan Designs, Crusader Miniatures and Black Tree Designs WW2 Soviets in padded jackets and fur caps. Some green stuff on the hands to make gloves.
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One of our number commissioned some N Korean figures under the name of Adarga.
Man, I would love to get ahold of these.
I worked up a small "Korea" army for Chain of Command. I used Warlord's US Army in Winter and their M4A3E8 for the USA and the 1st Corps for Chinese troops. I've seen photos of those Adarga Koreans, but they aren't for sale...
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It took a few years but it looks like warlord games finally pulled the trigger on a Korean war range.
Looks like North Koreans, Chinese Volenteers, Common Wealth Centerian and the cast of MASH.
(http://)
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Sorry it Wouldn't let me post the rest of the photos earlier.
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The Chinese infantry look plastic, but what else is? Their Maxim Gun for instance appears to be new production judging by its water jacket.
I'd guess that the Centurion would be plastic. The BTR-40 as well. They'd have to be at least if they want to edge out the existing 1/56th miniatures already available. I can't see Warlord's quality being better than Die Waffenkammer's BTR-40 for instance. Though Warlord seem to make do with customers buying their products as they play Bolt Action, otherwise folks would just go to Die Waffenkammer for anything the two companies produce in my opinion. :P
(A pity there's no 1/50th BTR-40s out there. Nowadays the response to that gripe's "just 3D print one" however. At least Company B is producing 1/56th Vietnam vehicles to bulk out that range (which has crossover with the Korean War to an extent obviously), but its a bit annoying that a few companies are now producing Vietnam lines, but are working with different vehicle scales )
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I know, but it's a start at least. So I'll support it tell Empress.... I mean any one else makes a better set of North Koreans and Chinese. I mean hell they can also be used for Chinese Civilwar so that's also a win. :D
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We'll see how this pans out and if they start to produce more post-war stuff. Ideally the next area would be the Arab-Israeli wars if they want to re-use their existing WWII stuff.
Though yes, that Warlord's such a large presence in this sector and is now producing post-war vehicles isn't always ideal. They're hitting the modern market which errs towards another scale, which perhaps may cause a conflict in future. We'll see just as many models produced, but companies may be conflicted on which scale to go for. Though that'll leave it up to customers to produce their own figures. ...Its just a tad annoying that there's two 28mm scales and products are available for one and not the other.
We'll see how things go with Empress. They don't have the same sort of vehicle release schedule as Warlord does, and may want to cover other areas given they're working on Vietnam. War Banner I believe mentioned doing Vietnam as well, but I've no idea what their new schedule will be like now that SASM are with them. ...I just wouldn't mind seeing a 1/50th BTR-40 for the sake of Vietnam and modern games (those things turn up all over).
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I'm reasonably sure that the Centurion's the resin ex-FOA one (saw it at Salute yesterday & have one of my own) & sadly not a plastic one (though it's still a good kit, the JTFM one is better, particularly with regards to the tracks).
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I saw them, but did not get a chance to ask about them. Is the consensus that the Chinese are plastic?
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Visually the Chinese have the same sculpting style as their other plastics. They also re-use parts from the Soviet set - i.e. their hats. If they aren't plastic then their sculpter's cutting corners and having plastic parts recast in metal.
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Has any one done a head count on how many figures they have on display?
I just wondered if it would be about the contents of a box set?
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There will unfortunately NO plastics for Korean War. All metal. I’ve asked.
The displayed USMC were converted plastics. Winter Marines will be metal same as the North Koreans/ Chinese.
(https://i.ibb.co/6FvNPDj/B5-E99177-2-A76-4595-B96-D-DB720489-B450.jpg) (https://ibb.co/jDVHM3n)
(https://i.ibb.co/tMvD5Dr/69660-EBD-78-F5-445-C-9-D61-7-EBBD128-C775.jpg) (https://ibb.co/MDt7L70)
(https://i.ibb.co/Ydd6cbQ/DC00-DCFC-4-BDB-4930-944-A-AD59-BC3-BD004.jpg) (https://ibb.co/fNNbkQF)
(https://i.ibb.co/6bHFZzv/76-BA6-F5-C-23-FE-4266-BD2-E-466087479-F29.jpg) (https://ibb.co/FJ5zW2s)
(https://i.ibb.co/x2NFTqh/F98-C6-EDA-BC6-C-4-A22-B2-F0-F6-ECA127-C603.jpg) (https://ibb.co/PrdDHGx)
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No plastics for the Chinese/North Koreans is a major disappointment.
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Shame about no plastics, but not hugely unexpected. Maybe if it sells well? At least being Warlord the metal boxes shouldn't be hugely expensive.
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I had just assumed that they would be plastic. Not complaining about them being metal. Seen to have enough variations to not be to big an issue.
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Tis a pity that the Mao caps look nothing like Mao caps, still nothing a pair of snips and some green stuff can’t fix. Not surprised, so only vaguely disappointed they aren’t plastic. This was always going to be a niche market and I doubt they could justify the tooling costs. Would gave made them useful for other projects beyond Korea but hey, ho.
Be interesting to see the faces to see which way they have gone. Casually racist caricature, gurning cartoon character or perhaps a mix of the two?
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I am wondering if that winter Marine is a 3up. Or just larger then that protector of communism next to him. lol
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Just noticed in the back of the photo of the Centurion that it appears they have done some Korean era Brits in JG and bush hats. Useful for other stuff like Mau Mau and Malaya (bit of conversion required). If the sculpts aren't too hideous, then they might come in useful. I can shelve my plans to convert Artizan Aussies to mutineering Tanzanians.
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Mutaneerung Tanzanians? Inqireing minds would like to know more. lol
As for the figs, I am trying to with hold judgment untel after I see a better close ups.
I got my late war U.S. from Empress, so atsay that works for the temperate months g the first few years of the war. :D
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1964, The Dar Mutiny. The two battalions of the Tanganyika Rifles (virtually the entirety of newly founded Tanzanian Army)mutinied, detaining a number of the British contract officers on strength. A Royal Marine battalion was landed by choppers and crushed the revolt. Allegedly, due to a monumental fuck up, only blank and practice ammo was issued. The Royals commandeered some civvy vehicles and lobbed a practice round from a 3.5” rocket launcher into the garrison guardhouse, which dislodged a few tiles and panicked the mutineers into surrender. Actually there was a bit more fighting than that.
Busy year for Britain, Aden and Borneo aside. There was another British intervention in Kenya the same year over a pay mutiny and Britain almost and should have intervened in Zanzibar where a terrible massacre of the Arab population took place.
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https://wwiiafterwwii.wordpress.com/2017/11/24/wwii-weapons-in-tanzania/
Good summary of the Dar Mutiny.
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I like the look of them. Can't seem to find them on the Warlord site though.
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I like the look of them. Can't seem to find them on the Warlord site though.
They won't be released tell later on in the summer.
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https://wwiiafterwwii.wordpress.com/2017/11/24/wwii-weapons-in-tanzania/
Good summary of the Dar Mutiny.
thanks for the link! Reality is in fact stranger then fiction.
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Can you use these warlord Chinese volunteers in WW2 against Japanese?
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Hey nice, I saw the marine on another thread here! So it is a figure for the Korean War range! ;D
Nice, the metal problem isn't too bad. Warlord's metals are characterful and easy to customize, though, as others, I hope there will be some plastics in the distant future for conversions and such! :D
Vehicles wise I'll keep my eyes open and wait as most others do!
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I would like to see 28mm figures of the various UN nations.