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Miniatures Adventure => Pikes, Muskets and Flouncy Shirts => Topic started by: Timbor on August 09, 2013, 09:23:30 PM
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From Pro Gloria on facebook:
Here is another preview of our cover art - it's an A3 picture but scanned two times with an A4 scanner so please forgive me the scanner line in the middle of the picture. Peter Dennis is almost finished with the picture and yes, for everyone who guessed it will be the cover of our plastic Landsknecht box - you are right!
I can't give many details of the box but just some now:
- sculpting work will be done by the talented sculptor Paul Hicks
- tooling company will be Renedra Ltd in the UK
- no release date yet, but we aim to release them around Christmas
- the box will be a kickstarter with many kickstarter-only models, and many other special miniatures
- out of the box you can build 24 Landsknechte, either useable as German, Swiss, Italian or French.
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/s720x720/554938_427155780735147_280244479_n.png)
So, the rumours were true. Not too sure about a Christmas release, as sculpting is still in progress, but time will tell, perhaps? Pretty excited about this one.
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Well, well done to Stephan. Stolen a march on the Perrys. Pretty sure they'd have got round to landsknechts sooner or later... Should be very interesting... Will follow with interest, and maybe even invest! ;)
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When does the kickstarter start?
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Oh this make me happy
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When does the kickstarter start?
Haven't heard that yet. I imagine relatively soon? They have not said.
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very interesting
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Yes, very interesting; their white metal figures are very nice.
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only 24 to a box? might dictate the what price can be charged :-I
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want them.
only 24 to a box? might dictate the what price can be charged :-I
usually when only 20+ models are in a box, we can expect a lot more options to build!
Of course, perry are the exception. :D
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So an established era by (apparently, don't know them,) an establshed company by a well known sculptor, yada-yada-yada, starts with a kickstarter. :?
Sign of the Apocalypse? ??? Sign of the times? ;) Or just a very 21st Century business model? :o
Well, if it gets a complete (or close) line going I guess it's good.
Come to think of it, I remember 1970's companies putting out a few fantasy figures followed by a few (main stream) historical figures, followed by a few science fiction... rinse, repeat.... and never finishing anything completely.
Okay, the picture looks very good. Certainly not an era of interest (and not a scale of preference for most of what I plan.)
Good luck to them, not that they will need it.
Gracias,
Glenn
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So an established era by (apparently, don't know them,) an establshed company by a well known sculptor, yada-yada-yada, starts with a kickstarter. :?
Sign of the Apocalypse? ??? Sign of the times? ;) Or just a very 21st Century business model? :o
Well, if it gets a complete (or close) line going I guess it's good.
Come to think of it, I remember 1970's companies putting out a few fantasy figures followed by a few (main stream) historical figures, followed by a few science fiction... rinse, repeat.... and never finishing anything completely.
Okay, the picture looks very good. Certainly not an era of interest (and not a scale of preference for most of what I plan.)
Good luck to them, not that they will need it.
Gracias,
Glenn
I really understand your point, but i've to say that Pro Gloria, even though it looks like a big company, it's held by Stephan, and he is less than 20.
In my opinion, he is the perfect user for Kickstarter.
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I really understand your point, but i've to say that Pro Gloria, even though it looks like a big company, it's held by Stephan, and he is less than 20.
In my opinion, he is the perfect user for Kickstarter.
Hear, hear.
Pro Gloria might not be very big or well known, but they have done a good job of building a brand.
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Hear, hear.
Pro Gloria might not be very big or well known, but they have done a good job of building a brand.
they did indeed!
but for plastic business a lot more money is needed! ^^
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they did indeed!
but for plastic business a lot more money is needed! ^^
Sounds reasonable.
Unfortunately I don't play games in that era.
Success!
Gracias,
Glenn
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Stephan is less than 20? That is very impressive!
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Very interesting... though I am not big fan of plastics. Not even the much vaunted Perry plastics make me leaping with joy. I guess that with age comes a sense of lazyness, and each passing day is more and more difficult to me to shake off my vagrancy and mount the figures! That is the problem of becoming an old grumpy fellow, I guess.
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I'm not personally a big fan of plastics, but I run a school club and the boys are (next generation I suppose).
To be fair and honest, any new set of plastics that may extend their gaming is good news.
I like landsknects. They've never seen them....yet.
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Stephan is less than 20? That is very impressive!
might be mistaken, that's what i remember! ^_^
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Good luck to him :)
cheers
James
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I have little to no interest in Landsknechte, but I bet I still end up buying these. ;D
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Not overally keen on plastics, but yes, very interesting :)
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I always love the idea of plastics until they're sitting in front of me waiting to get built. It's always so fiddly and painful and I rarely make kit bashed masterpieces that justify the pain.
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Any news on the KS yet?
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Any news on the KS yet?
But who would want to know that? Us demands to be informed about the regular release date ;)
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But who would want to know that? Us demands to be informed about the regular release date ;)
Exactly! lol
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Kickstarter scheduled for around January, now.
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Kickstarter scheduled for around January, now.
great news! I'm curious to see the first sculpts!
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I still think I am going to need at least 10 boxes for the basis of my army... :(
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great news! I'm curious to see the first sculpts!
Some greens/3-ups could be seen at Crisis:
(http://www.brueckenkopf-online.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Crisis13_PG01.jpg)
(http://www.brueckenkopf-online.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Crisis13_PG02.jpg)
Pictures from the Brückenkopf news page.
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Nice, I like the separate legs, torso and arms, going to give loads of permutations. I like the look of the plug at the base of the neck, I never feel I get a good join with the Perry style necks.
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I love what is coming out so far! Still i'm puzzled that a little company like ProGloria can afford this, but it's a GREAT news for them. I'd probably take a box or two! ^^
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I think these could be very high up there on my must have list.
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It's really a great idea , and a great news !
I will buy one or 2 boxes , and metal minies too !!!
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More power to Stephan and Pro Gloria is what I say 8) 8) 8).
The 'three ups' look fantastic!
Any news on the possible release date yet?
Darrell.
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I imagine we'll get a more concrete release date when the kickstarter begins. I imagine that it'll launch some time around Salute. I hope that the delays in the launch of the kickstarter mean that there will be fewer delays once the ball gets rolling, as I'm quite looking forward to this set. I plan to invest in this as soon as it becomes available...
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I still have not seen any official release date for the kickstarter campaign, but the Facebook page has had many more updates lately, most recent was this neat sculpt:
(https://scontent-b-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc1/t31.0-8/1966347_543068945810496_1068053833_o.jpg)
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Pro-Gloria-Miniatures/295957277188332
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Ra-ther.
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Now that I love :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
Can't wait to see more!!!
Darrell.
I still have not seen any official release date for the kickstarter campaign, but the Facebook page has had many more updates lately, most recent was this neat sculpt:
(https://scontent-b-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc1/t31.0-8/1966347_543068945810496_1068053833_o.jpg)
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Pro-Gloria-Miniatures/295957277188332
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These are very impressive, I'll be watching any developments with interest! The wounded officer being dragged off is just fantastic.
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I still have not seen any official release date for the kickstarter campaign, but the Facebook page has had many more updates lately, most recent was this neat sculpt:
(https://scontent-b-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc1/t31.0-8/1966347_543068945810496_1068053833_o.jpg)
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Pro-Gloria-Miniatures/295957277188332
This is an inspired pose! It could be on the battlefield or simply being dragged out of the tavern at closing time! ;)
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This is an inspired pose! It could be on the battlefield or simply being dragged out of the tavern at closing time! ;)
I thought them to be one in the same? lol
At least where I grew up lol lol
Darrell.
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Wow ! Will there be a US distributor?
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Does anyone know if there will be other sculptors involved in this project other than Paul Hicks? Paul Hicks is actually my favourite sculptor, I'm just curious!
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Lots of questions and speculation - no answers... :(
Information from Stephan seems to be in short supply for this project... 6 months+ after the initial announcement, and not a lot more said...
Some kind of update would be good for all the excited people drooling with anticipation out there.
(Including me :))
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I agree, these would definitely tempt me if there was more information about them.
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Thank you all for your comments guys :)
I don't give many more information at the moment as some things changed and they need their time until they are finished. I don't know how many more chances there will be and I can't give a 100% accurate release date until now.
Feel free to post your questions here but I am not sure if I can answer them all to your satisfaction.
Stephan
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Hey, thanks for stopping by for the update, Stephan!
Pro Gloria is a pretty small company, so I imagine you are just trying to piece everything together. I would hope that you launch the campaign once the sculpting has been completed, so all that is necessary for molding and casting - that way you can ensure the finished product much sooner. I have started to avoid KS campaigns that have too long of a wait time with too little in terms of sculpted figures shown at the beginning - too much variability with unseen sculpts and unplanned delays. I should think if its ready to go and well planned, you would hopefully be able to recoup the cost of sculpting as well as casting/moulding with the pledges.
I would much rather wait another 6 months for you to launch the campaign if it means it is well planned and has a shorter wait time - I would likely pledge more in that case as well!
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I agree, these would definitely tempt me if there was more information about them.
I expect their will be sooner or later....
Either way, they should be available on the Empress site I would have thought(?).
Darrell.
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Pro Gloria is a pretty small company, so I imagine you are just trying to piece everything together. I would hope that you launch the campaign once the sculpting has been completed, so all that is necessary for molding and casting - that way you can ensure the finished product much sooner. I have started to avoid KS campaigns that have too long of a wait time with too little in terms of sculpted figures shown at the beginning - too much variability with unseen sculpts and unplanned delays. I should think if its ready to go and well planned, you would hopefully be able to recoup the cost of sculpting as well as casting/moulding with the pledges.
I would much rather wait another 6 months for you to launch the campaign if it means it is well planned and has a shorter wait time - I would likely pledge more in that case as well!
Yes, this is the plan. Hopefully, the sculpting won't take six months but I think not much faster. I will show some WIPs if I have some :)
I expect their will be sooner or later....
Either way, they should be available on the Empress site I would have thought(?).
Darrell.
Yes, all new releases should be available at Empress for UK customers :)
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Yes, this is the plan. Hopefully, the sculpting won't take six months but I think not much faster. I will show some WIPs if I have some :)
Excellent, I'll be keeping up to speed on the Facebook page, which will no doubt whip me up into a frenzy of anticipation!! I'm already trying to sell a lot of Artizan Landsknechtes (Shamless plug, I know) so I can lavish myself on your Pro Gloria versions!!
Yes, all new releases should be available at Empress for UK customers :)
All very easy to buy really :).
I expect that folks in the USA and Canada will be wanting some kind of distribution, will that be available at some point Stephan?
Darrell.
Darrell.
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Thanks :)
I expect that folks in the USA and Canada will be wanting some kind of distribution, will that be available at some point Stephan?
I tried to get a distributor in the US but as I still only sell small amounts of miniatures (... yet) the margins are not worth enough for them.
Stephan
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Thanks :)
I tried to get a distributor in the US but as I still only sell small amounts of miniatures (... yet) the margins are not worth enough for them.
Stephan
They may change their minds when the plastics are released! :)
Darrell.
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Well, not much in the way of news then, but thanks anyway for posting in response Stephan :)
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Hi all
I know, I was very quiet with news on the plastic Landsknechts, but don't worry: news and pictures of them very soon! At the moment, I am talking with the sculptor about the frame layout and all the content we can fit in the box. Will tell you more next week!
Stephan
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Hi all
I know, I was very quiet with news on the plastic Landsknechts, but don't worry: news and pictures of them very soon! At the moment, I am talking with the sculptor about the frame layout and all the content we can fit in the box. Will tell you more next week!
Stephan
Woohay!
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And next week here we will be. Great news Stephan! :)
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I hate to be a pest, but it has been about a week... ;)
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yes you're right :) the following is not 100% certain to be made as renedra has the last words. in the box will be two different sprues (amount of sprues is not sure). one will contain 10 (!!) different bodies with options on pikes in different poses, swords and bucklers, halberds.
head options for swiss, german and middle-europe as well as diffetent swords for them and many feather options.
the command frame will include two bodies. one full harness the other semi-harness . options on banner. drum and many weapons.
questions? :)
Stephan
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questions? :)
Will you marry me?
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Now that sounds sweet, really looking forward to these. I'm still slowly working my way through your metals, which are a dream to paint and eagerly await some plastics to compliment them.
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Yours is one of my favourite current ranges and I look forward to pledging for several boxes of them. :)
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yes you're right :) the following is not 100% certain to be made as renedra has the last words. in the box will be two different sprues (amount of sprues is not sure). one will contain 10 (!!) different bodies with options on pikes in different poses, swords and bucklers, halberds.
head options for swiss, german and middle-europe as well as diffetent swords for them and many feather options.
the command frame will include two bodies. one full harness the other semi-harness . options on banner. drum and many weapons.
questions? :)
Stephan
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Sounds fantastic! Approximately how many sprues per box? Edit: I just saw that we don't know how many sprues per box- sorry, got a little too excited.
Any approximate dates for the kickstarter launch?
Does kickstarter take first-borns as a payment option? lol
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With my PSZ project for a Warhamster setting, just about to enter the conclusive stage (painting zeds), some interesting Landsknecht (Empire survivors) poses to add would be great (plastic Empire Spearmen and Arqubusiers(?) does not give much variety).
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Excellent news Stephan. I am sooooo looking forward to these. Please do keep the updates coming :)
Richard
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yes you're right :) the following is not 100% certain to be made as renedra has the last words. in the box will be two different sprues (amount of sprues is not sure). one will contain 10 (!!) different bodies with options on pikes in different poses, swords and bucklers, halberds.
head options for swiss, german and middle-europe as well as diffetent swords for them and many feather options.
the command frame will include two bodies. one full harness the other semi-harness . options on banner. drum and many weapons.
questions? :)
Stephan
This all sounds very exciting. As for the command sprue, will it be smaller than the other sprues then? If that's the case why not just make it the same size and include some more bodies?
Any idea when we might get some more pictures?
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Command frame will be of a smaller size like the perry command sprues. The 10 Men sprues will be a big sprue like the old acw perry or their french naps. More bodies in the command frame are not planned because we will have twelve different bodies with lots of options and even more parts would be too expensive. But i am pretzy sure you will have enough options for your command so they won't look the same. :)
More boxes are in m mind but i really need the financial support of the crowdfunding campaign here. I also can not say when i will show more pictures. The sculptor will start from the beginning after some major changes in a design wise kind of few. Dolly work will start on thursday. Deadline for sculpting will be around septembre to octobre.
Stephan
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An exciting venture Stephan. I applaud your enterprise in taking on such a challenge :)
I am sure it will be a huge success.
Richard
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Sorry to hear about the setbacks, but I am sure it will be a stellar product once finished. Hopefully it will be wildly successful and will fund the production of even more sets :D
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It's measurements day!
(http://s1.directupload.net/images/140516/32ehx6n3.jpg)
Stephan
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The first picture of our first dolly! Will show more very soon!
(https://scontent-b-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/t1.0-9/10377004_578376968946360_6983363860083555113_n.jpg)
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Looking good already! :)
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It's looking great!!! I'm definitely in!
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Thank you guys :) A bit more of a progress! There will be four more dollies, then all parts will be casted and then sleeves, armour, faces etc. will be added. Please note this not the actual pike-pole! The pike will be much slimmer in the future!
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/t1.0-9/10364125_579430495507674_3199885826579567788_n.jpg)
Stephan
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Cool!
i'm just a bit worried about the face: isn't it a tad too big?
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I like the progress so far. Hard to say until more of the head/face is finished regarding its size, I would think.
Is Paul Hicks still doing the sculpting?
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Hard to say until more of the head/face is finished regarding its size, I would think.
I agree that the final detailing will give less disproportion to the body, but that head is 4 times the rest of the body as it is...
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Thanks for your comments! I think the head only looks big because the actual clothing is not sculpted on until now :) It will pretty sure be the same size as our metal range! The Sculptor is Michael Anderson, known for the GW Empire sculpting work. The talented Paul Hicks is still doing our metal minaitures :)
Stephan
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Some more update: The first dollie is finished and cut in parts for the resin caster. After this, the dolly will need some work so out of one dolly there will be two different 3 UPs.
(http://s1.directupload.net/images/140602/27kkkhie.jpg)
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WOW, really wow!!!
for the head: i don't think that changing the dress volume will vary the head ratio. However, i understand that 28mm minis don't have the realistic ratios at all, so i'll trust you, and i'm in for the kickstarter whatsoever! :D
cheers
Jack
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Michael got the first castings of the bodiy- and headdollies today. He immediately started sculpting on three of six new head dollies - and blimey, they are full of character, aren't they? From these new six head dollies on, he will add hair, beards, hats, etc.
(http://s7.directupload.net/images/140618/2mgwawjg.jpg)
These are all the parts which went to the caster plus some feathers and knives. From these dollies on, Michael will do much more further sculpting to create 12 different landsknechts for the first plastic set :)
(http://s14.directupload.net/images/140618/elbggmz9.jpg)
Stephan
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Just saw the news on facebook. AWESOME!!!
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Fantastic :o :-*
This is going to be an awesome set indeed :)
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Excellent work there 8) 8)
cheers
James
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Nice progress on those, looking forward to seeing more!
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Lovely. These are going to be so awesome!
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Those heads look very good, a set of real hard b***ds. Is it just the lack of hair at present, but I think they need some boover boots , braces and football scarves.
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IT MUST BE MINE
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These are going to sell like crazy! Fantastic sculpts and easily cross over between historical and fantasy gaming.
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How will these stack up with Warlord Games plastics? They would be a lovely addition to some of the Pike & Musket stuff.
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Oh my, I really have to do some pikes and landsknechts! :-*
Looking forward to the crowdfunder campaign!
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Thank you all!
How will these stack up with Warlord Games plastics? They would be a lovely addition to some of the Pike & Musket stuff.
Hi Jet,
they should mix very well :) The plastic minaitures will have the same size as our metal miniatures :)
Stephan
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Michael Anderson sent a new picture! The first Landsknecht for our upcoming plastic set is almost finished! The hair, beard, hat and some other details are still a bit WIP I hope that I can show more pictures tomorrow!
Please note: you can achieve different and more aggresive pike-block looking poses by attaching the arms in a way that the pike is lowered in a different degree and you can also rotate the head so he will face the pike's head and towards the enemy.
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/t1.0-9/10514557_597561683694555_1565231009122672691_n.jpg)
Stephan
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that's great! Will the hat be separated from the head? They did so in the WG ECW, and that was a great move! :)
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that's great! Will the hat be separated from the head? They did so in the WG ECW, and that was a great move! :)
Thanks! The hat will be on the heads as I do not want too many parts that have to be glued on. Please note that the head and the arms are already seperate so you have at least 3 parts to glue together. If all goes well and we have the space, we will have some heads with helmets or bonnets/caps and some spare hats that you can glue on the heads without hats but caps (oooh, this gives me an headache!).
Stephan
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aww, that's such a pity! One of the major uses of the plastic sprues is using them as bit-boxes, but if there aren't much parts we will be all bound to the "vanilla" version, and modding won't be so easy! :(
still awesome btw ;)
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Well personally, I don't like separate hats as they never sit on the head properly, so I'm glad you've gone for built-in hats :)
He looks absolutely great by the way :-*
Can't wait.
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Looking good!
Looking forward to the armoured heads, there's not too many to choose from out there; I'd like to see some early burgonet variants, I think I've only seen one in the old Foundry Landsknechts yet they're fairly well represented in paintings and woodcuts.
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He looks brilliant. I agree about the separate hats, much better that it's all in one piece, separate never looks right. Based on this one pic I'll definatley be buying some!
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Thank you guys! Michael has finished the first sculpt now - what a character!
@Stuart: Definetly! There will be some in "Sturmhaube"/ burgonet! Some with the ribbed head part, some with the actual three-piece design!
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/t1.0-9/10441252_597652740352116_111033728637546826_n.jpg)
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That is lovely, really looking forward to these
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Fantastic sculpt. Really captures the look and spirit of the period.
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I have to agree about the hats, although in theory I like the idea of seperate headgear , reality is that the fit never looks quite right. That first figure is great, look forward to more.
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Excellent 8) 8) 8)
cheers
James
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My only minor comment is that it uses the stylised look GW has for their feathers, which I'm not very fond of. I would rather see something more traditional, in keeping with your metal models.
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I am really loving the design of these, and I think the look splendid (GW inspired feathers or not). I am really looking forward to the release of these I must say, there boxes for me!
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Feathers are my only reservation, is it too late to tweak them ?
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Shame you went for the fewer parts option as the major benefit of plastics is their easier convertability. I'm stunned by the fact people can't make seperate hats 'look right'..!
I never had any problems with Perry or Watlord figs.
And for those who can't cope there are always the metals..
Anyhow, I can't wait to get a few boxes and finally start a Landknechts army!!
Cheers
SP
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Great work Stephan :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
Any news on when they will be tooled?
Darrell.
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These look really nice. I am in the "glad the hats aren't separate" camp.
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Shame you went for the fewer parts option as the major benefit of plastics is their easier convertability. I'm stunned by the fact people can't make seperate hats 'look right'..!
I never had any problems with Perry or Watlord figs.
And for those who can't cope there are always the metals..
Well it's just a matter of personal taste I guess. I can make them look right. But why should I have to, if I can get heads with hats already moulded on which look perfect?
The Perry 8th Army helmets are a breeze. The fact that they're separate is a definite benefit, because you can position them at jaunty angles to introduce more variety to the figures.
Unfortunately, you can't say the same for the Afrika Korps field caps which sit up way too proud on the heads. They look wrong. Unreal.
The Warlord ECW hats are worse still. They sit perched atop the figures like ill-fitting country pancakes. And the lobster-tail helmets mounted on long hair are even worse. To my eye - bloody awful. But then beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
The Perry WOTR heads on the other hand are perfect. Ditto the Gripping Beast Viking and Saxon heads, and the Victrix Greek and Naploeonic heads. All with integrated heads and hats. All these, I like very much. You pays your money and takes your choice. As usual :)
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Well..I disagree, obviously. Never realised those seperate hats could be too much of a challenge for hobbyists..In my eyes it is simply a missed opportunity that would have made the Landknechts far more versatile. Same heads with different headgear make different figures and a truly unique army. As simple as.
But I do vividly remember the collective moaning about the number if parts ever so 'fiddly' when the first Victrix figures have been released and I can see that this is for many gamers not a priority and being in the the-more-parts-the-better camp site is a fairly doomed affair.
So here I am, very lonely and conceding defeat to the as-few-parts-as-possible faction.. ;)
I still am looking forward to the Landsknechts very much and will make sure I have a good hobby knife ready for when they are released (and some plasters too!).
Cheers
SP
Btw, the Perry ACW hats fit very nicely in with Warlords ECW in case you struggle with the original parts:
(http://i103.photobucket.com/albums/m146/CiaphasCain_album/ECW/DE67FF54-A782-442F-817C-1E22477B930D_zps4k3g0wav.jpg) (http://s103.photobucket.com/user/CiaphasCain_album/media/ECW/DE67FF54-A782-442F-817C-1E22477B930D_zps4k3g0wav.jpg.html)
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Please change the feathers- everything else is perfect!
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Please change the feathers- everything else is perfect!
Yes, please! I'll buy them regardless, but this would make them perfect. 8)
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So here I am, very lonely and conceding defeat to the as-few-parts-as-possible faction.. ;)
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Ah, you rascal.
I am firmly a member of the as-many-parts-as-possible faction like you.
I just happen to think heads with the hats already on look a lot better.
As you say, if you want to swap a hat, you can always slice it off. Just watch your fingers ;)
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The feathers do look GW-like because my sculptor Michael Anderson did almost the actual entire GW empire range :)
Thank you guys for all the support!!
Stephan
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@captain blood
:D
Nothing wrong with GW feathers imho (other than being not separate parts, of course ;)).
How will they compare to the warhammer Empire stuff size wise?
I wouldn't mind getting a box just to use as reinforcements for my Reiklanders..!
Cheers
SP
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Nothing wrong with GW feathers imho (other than being not separate parts, of course ;)).
How will they compare to the warhammer Empire stuff size wise?
My guess is that they should fit the Pro Gloria metals down to a tee(?).
Darrell.
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I find SP's choice of photo to illustrate the fit of separate hats as unusual. In my opinion, the monmouth cap provided by Warlord in the ECW infantry is possibly the worst separate piece of headgear provided by any manufacturer and even in the hands of such a highly talented chap as SP still, to me, looks like the musketeer has a giant portobello mushroom plonked on top of his head. I am also a believer in having a large variety in the parts provided with plastics, but they need to fit together well. I hope that these landesknechts will have a large variety of swords, purses,pouches etc to help make each figure a true individual and that each separate piece will fit with precision.
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I was personally really pleased from the ECW hats, but some of them were simply horrible (including the portobello one lol )... the other ones fit quite nicely, expecially with the aid of some plastic glue that smoothed the spiky parts!
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The feathers do look GW-like because my sculptor Michael Anderson did almost the actual entire GW empire range :)
I understand that, it's just that they look very different from the ones on your metal figures and I'd assume you want some consistency there. :)
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I understand that, it's just that they look very different from the ones on your metal figures and I'd assume you want some consistency there. :)
Considering that the investiment for this plastic set is (i suppose) several times higher than all the previous models Stephan produced, i think that the consistency shouldn't be such a problem afterall...
However, it might be nice to sell metal feathers separately, so whoever wants to convert the hats with the other look is free to do! :)
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For the plastics, these feathers will all stay the same but I am sure that we will have some metal feathers seperately :)
2nd Landsknecht ist finished, new 3 UPs every three days or so from now on!
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Stephan
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Utterly awesome. Want them.
And I like the feathers as they are... :D
J
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Oh, there goes my money… :-*
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HUBBA HUBBA!!! :-*
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Very nice indeed and keeping in with the GW ones which will appeal to many 8)
They actually look almost plastic now.
cheers
James
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Brilliant Stephan! :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*
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Brilliant. Better looking than GW equivalents. Now hurry up and put them on the market! ;-)
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I like that second one even more than I liked the first. They're lovely, those faces are just brilliant.
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Outstanding work so far!
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Oh dear :-*
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Have been taking a few months off from painting as there is nothing out there that has grabbed me recently. Waiting for the new Perry Foot Nobility of course, but these are producing a stirring! Having already painted loads of the old Redoubt Italian Wars figs many years ago I thought I had done in this period. It would appear not. Chapeau off to you, moulded on or not!
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Superb. Fine period detail, and very characterful without being caricature.
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Now I have to figure how to work these guys into my fantasy armies. These are a must-have! :-*
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Thank you all for your kind comments!
@DoctorPete: You could use them as simple state troops! :)
The first four finished Landsknechts in line! The newest pair of arms will get the puffy clothing within the slashes sculpted. More to follow!
(http://s1.directupload.net/images/140804/4grle85h.jpg)
Stephan
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Thank you all for your kind comments!
@DoctorPete: You could use them as simple state troops! :)
The first four finished Landsknechts in line! The newest pair of arms will get the puffy clothing within the slashes sculpted. More to follow!
(http://s1.directupload.net/images/140804/4grle85h.jpg)
Stephan
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Can not wait until these see the light of day!!
Brilliant work from the sculptor Stephan 8).
Darrell.
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Oldhammer Empire armies here we come!! lol lol lol
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From the Pro Gloria FB page:
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Number six is almost finished! This time with some big sleeves as they were common since the 1515 - 1550. The head on the right is a bit of a special one: he is wearing a hairnet! You can see these on many Dürer pictures and other contemporary paintings. I hope you like!
Nice, so 4 more poses to sculpt and then finish off the bits, send it to tooling. Great progress!
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Oh! I think those turban heads will be used for other stuff ;)
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Oh! I think those turban heads will be used for other stuff ;)
Do tell, I haven't got a clue? :)
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There's an Empire army awaiting the release of these amazing figures! Cannot wait!
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Fresh from their facebook:
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The head on the left looks enormous because of the camera angle. They've included a couple more photos in the comments on this one to clarify.
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Oh they look so very nice, also three more bodies at hat stage must mean they are now close to begining Kickstart.
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Time for an update again :) This time the first miniature of the command frame (total of two with many options for musicians, banners and a great variation of heads including helmets, hats and bare heads).
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Stephan
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Very nice.
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Great work, very good idea to put a Maximilian foot knight in the box.
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Very nice, looking forward to Kickstart.
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Yes, any word on when that should be starting? Rather eager to get that wounded officer...
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A couple preview pictures of metal figures sculpted by Paul Hicks that are to be included with the crowdfunding:
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Really looking forward to the campaign. I would echo the request for a better idea of when to expect the campaign to start. :D
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From FB discussion:
So, it shall be the 2nd of Novembre 2014! The crowdfunding website will be indiegogo.com. Our initial-goal will be 30.000€ to finance the moulding and tooling of our very first plastic set. We will have many pledges and bonuses including more lead and plastic miniatures, merchandise, a book and much more.
Until the start, I will show more pictures of the plastic 3-UPs and the limited Indiegogo-Only miniature as well as I will let you know more about the upcoming campaign.
We will be at Crisis in Antwerp, Belgium on the 1st of Novembre so it will be a bit of rush for us on sunday morning on our get-home-tour
Feel free to ask any questions regarding Pro Gloria Miniatures and the crowdfunding-campaign!
Stephan
Pledges will include 1, 3, 5, 7 or 10 boxes. The more boxes the more is in the deal. The 1 box deal is only the box. 3 box deal will already include extra stuff like flags and posters, the next pledge will include more etc
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Very excited! :D
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I only paint metal, will these be available without buying the plastic figures. THE CID.
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Charging up my money cannon! :D
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A few more photos:
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The last Landsknecht body was finished today - this time a banner bearer or casual standing halberdier/pikeman (if you switch the banner top with a pike or halberd head).
So now left is:
1. 10 upright arm-pairs
2. 10 alternate troop heads
3. Optional command arms
4. Optional command heads/ helmets
5. Drum and arms
The fantastic sculpting work is of course again from Michael Anderson
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This is the Indiegogo-Only miniature especially sculpted for this campaign by Paul Hicks Maximilian I in his best armour.
Only 2 weeks to go until the project is live...
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Argh! I have absolutely no use for these right now, but still this thread has sent my wallet hiding beneath the sofa, whimpering... ;D
Those are some tasty sculpts!
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Only 2 weeks to go until the project is live...
I get two Christmas's this year :D
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Looking forward to seeing them when they eventually go live :)
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ITS FINALLY LIVE ;D
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/plastic-landsknecht-box
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And the best of luck to them :)
cheers
James
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The Maximilian is magnificent.
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Soory for resurrecting this - but what happend to the plastic models after Warlord took over? I cannot find them on their website?
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Announcement here (http://www.warlordgames.com/new-landsknecht-pike-command-guard-duty-and-hunting-party/), and for sale here (http://store.warlordgames.com/collections/landsknecht).
In metal though, so I guess they just bought the masters and cast them up.
Edit: that said, the plastic masters were 3-ups, so they might yet see the light of day in plastic.
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Announcement here (http://www.warlordgames.com/new-landsknecht-pike-command-guard-duty-and-hunting-party/), and for sale here (http://store.warlordgames.com/collections/landsknecht).
In metal though, so I guess they just bought the masters and cast them up.
Edit: that said, the plastic masters were 3-ups, so they might yet see the light of day in plastic.
They're been available from Warlord games for a while now :)
Darrell.
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Ohh bugger! I thought there had been a development and we would finally get the plastic landsknechts.
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They're been available from Warlord games for a while now :)
Darrell.
What, in plastic? ???
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Warlord bought Stephan's metal Pro Gloria range sculpted by Paul Hicks, rebranded them as Warlord, and they've been on sale ever since.
Warlord also acquired the 3-ups for the proposed plastic set, which the Indiegogo campaign unfortunately failed to fund.
The assumption was that Warlord would swiftly use their scale and finances to take these into production as a plasic set...
Well, a year has passed and it hasn't happened yet.
Maybe they're saving up their pennies for it. Or maybe they've just decided the investment won't pay back.
My money is still on The Perrys producing a set of plastic landsknechts in due course. They did a pretty definitive range in metal for Foundry, and it would form a logical extension to their European Armies c.1500 range...
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@ Captain Blood:
Thank you, that's pretty much what I understood too.
In fact, now I think about some more, maybe Warlord's reluctance to do plastic Landsknecht is because the Perrys have a similar kit of their own already in the works?
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Well, somebody needs to do them - I have desires!
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Thanks, all!
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Maybe they're waiting to sell a requisite amount of metal's first before they release the plastics? Or maybe they just want to sell the metals(?) though I cannot see them being as profitable as the plastics?
Maybe I'm on the wrong track altogether? lol
Darrell.
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What I believe has happened is that now that it is part of Warlord 's proposed plastic releases it has to compete for funding with their other proposed plastic releases and wait in a queue until funding is available?
If their rennaissance line is not their best seller we could be waiting some time behind Bolt action, etc.
Just my 5 pence worth.
Guy T
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Yep, sounds very plausible. It's Warlord's MO.
Rather as they did with the Arsenal Miniatures range, they've grabbed the creative and tucked it away in the bank for when they feel the time is right. They can release it at their leisure, dependent on competing investment priorities, and what new products they think will yield the best return... Or it may never see the light of day at all. They have a very businesslike approach to life.
Fair enough I suppose, since they are a business, after all.
But it's still galling for those of us who backed Stephan's original venture, and would have very much liked to have these models in our hands by now...
Had someone else taken them on, perhaps we would have.
But then again, who else was there to take them on?
The radio silence on any release plans (or non-release plans) doesn't help though.
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The radio silence on any release plans (or non-release plans) doesn't help though.
I absolutely concur.... I hope I'm not mistaken as being a bit facetious but it appears a tad GW-esque sady.....
Darrell.
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Well, GW is where the Warlord people come from...
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...and the two companies have many similarities, not all of which are positives...
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Well, GW is where the Warlord people come from...
That's kind of what I was getting at Arthur.... I may well be barking up the wrong tree but I do wonder if some of the GW business ethos has rubbed off in a big way at Warlord Games? It is entirely possible that their business model is sound but it's a bit alien to a lot of historical wargamers that haven't arrived by the GW route me thinks. And some that have I would imagine.
Darrell.
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Well, the best things come to those who wait :)
You can look lovingly at the 3 ups and plan how you're going to paint them when they finally arrive.
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Well, good for my wallet that they don't exist in plastic, yet.
Might have been tempted to do a small army ;)
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Well, the best things come to those who wait :)
You can look lovingly at the 3 ups and plan how you're going to paint them when they finally arrive.
Already planned! ;) :)
Darrell.
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Pro-Gloria figures would be nice to have, yet I'm not waiting forever. I'm working on a Landsknecht army already with what's available currently, and the newest figures pending the completion of a kickstarter ... https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/1704581903/28mm-landschneckts ... will be my next addition to it.
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I spoke to John Stallard about these yesterday. To paraphrase the conversation I had with him:
They are currently in tooling; in practice this SHOULD mean that they will be available in about 6 months time. The original owner of the range had very large numbers of components mastered; far beyond his budget to then have the injection moulds tooled. Warlord will, initially at least, only be putting about half of those components into tooling as the full range would be impractical. The plan, for the moment, is to have a sprue that enables you to build approx 8-10 pikemen and 1-2 handgunners.
(Whether or not the rest of the mastered components will ever make their way into a mould wasn't discussed).
Discuss in 300 words or fewer :)
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Excellent. Look forward to seeing them.
-Michael
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It will be interesting to see what emerges from Warlord. Personally, I can't say I'm very happy with the way they've dealt with the old Arsenal Miniatures range - no cavalry yet and quite a few infantry 'greens' not yet available. I hope that they handle the landsknechts rather better.
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I agree with you Paul , as they are still sat on Gotz,George and Max in metal.
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Excellent news!!
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I just saw this in the weekly warlord games newsletter:
"The wait is nearly over!"
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I guess we should be expecting an imminent release somewhat soon then? Finally? ;)
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Finally!!
We have been waiting 3 year for those.
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Kidney already on Ebay ;D
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Very Exciting. Any more information?
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Excellent. Really looking forward to these guys.
There was no more news in that newsletter.
-Michael
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Great news! I'm going to use them for a new project focused in the Battle of Gavinana 1530
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Very interesting. Of course, the devil is in the details. I hope there are a lot of options. Many manufactures (except Perry and Victrix) have started to produce very basic simple figures, with few options.
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I heard that they were not releasing the entire Pro Gloria kit. As of about a year ago someone close to the project said they were only releasing about half the original 10 figures. I also remember that Michael Anderson sculpted about twenty heads for this kit. I wonder how many of them will make it.
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This is from the original Pro Gloria Kickstarter thread on this site:
In this box will be 24 hard plastic 28mm (1/56) miniatures that come with a leaflet (approximately 16-18 pages full with historical background, assembling tips, painting shemes etc) and a single sheet with six different flags.
The box will hold 4 frames in total. Two core Landsknecht frames plus two extra command frames.
The core frame will contain 10 different bodies plus 20 different heads as well as enough arms to have yours Landsknechts in advancing and marching poses with weapon options for halberds, spears and pikes. The frame will also hold extra swords, pouches and other nice extras.
The command frame will include 2 bodies plus a huge selection of extra heads, enough parts for musicians and banner bearers.
And from Hobbits post earlier in this thread:
I spoke to John Stallard about these yesterday. To paraphrase the conversation I had with him:
They are currently in tooling; in practice this SHOULD mean that they will be available in about 6 months time. The original owner of the range had very large numbers of components mastered; far beyond his budget to then have the injection moulds tooled. Warlord will, initially at least, only be putting about half of those components into tooling as the full range would be impractical. The plan, for the moment, is to have a sprue that enables you to build approx 8-10 pikemen and 1-2 handgunners.
(Whether or not the rest of the mastered components will ever make their way into a mould wasn't discussed).
It will be interesting to see what Warlord come out with, the original three ups looked great.
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At last, I've been waiting for this from long time!
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If the original box proves a good seller, maybe they will do a follow-up box with more of the original components.
The more heads the merrier. Hopefully they will squeeze a fair number on the frame.
-Michael
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Oh this is so good to hear :)
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Well... I had no plans to get into Landsknecht but since I "accidently" backed that recent Kickstarter I might as well pick up a couple of boxes of these... ::)
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I'll believe it when I actually see them.
And let's hope Warlord put everything into the kit that Stephan originally intended and paid to have sculpted. Rather than short-changing us by including only a subset of all the bodies and heads that were made.
Sorry to sound so cynical, but based on recent 'include the minimum we can get away with' trends in the plastic figure kit manufacturing world (with the noble exceptions of Perry and Victrix) I don't have high hopes :(
I hope I'm proved wrong though.
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I'll believe it when I actually see them.
And let's hope Warlord put everything into the kit that Stephan originally intended and paid to have sculpted. Rather than short-changing us by including only a subset of all the bodies and heads that were made.
Sorry to sound so cynical, but based on recent 'include the minimum we can get away with' trends in the plastic figure kit manufacturing world (with the noble exceptions of Perry and Victrix) I don't have high hopes :(
I hope I'm proved wrong though.
I think it will be the castrated version of the original project. This whole project became a monstrous Desaster at the end. First the crowdfunding with the missed goal, than the sold project to Warlord. Warlord bought a lot of stuff, but integrity end they seem to earn their money with Bolt Actuon and a lot of stuff lies in closed desk. And at the end they release this castrated version. A Desaster in my eyes. I am sad about this at the end....
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I just hope after all the hype they're useful, and have some variants and options.
But I'm not holding my breath, unfortunately. :(
Why not cast the missing bits in metal as additional accessory/ conversion packs.
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Well, assuming it is going to be released at a price comparable to most plastic infantry sets, it can't have everything originally sculpted for the Kickstarter, right?
Maybe we will see a second kit released at some point. Me, I am more happy about what is coming than I am lamenting that not everything is going to be in the box.
-Michael
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Well, assuming it is going to be released at a price comparable to most plastic infantry sets, it can't have everything originally sculpted for the Kickstarter, right?
Well, you say that, but to remind you:
This is from the original Pro Gloria Kickstarter thread on this site:
In this box will be 24 hard plastic 28mm (1/56) miniatures that come with a leaflet (approximately 16-18 pages full with historical background, assembling tips, painting shemes etc) and a single sheet with six different flags.
The box will hold 4 frames in total. Two core Landsknecht frames plus two extra command frames.
The core frame will contain 10 different bodies plus 20 different heads as well as enough arms to have yours Landsknechts in advancing and marching poses with weapon options for halberds, spears and pikes. The frame will also hold extra swords, pouches and other nice extras.
The command frame will include 2 bodies plus a huge selection of extra heads, enough parts for musicians and banner bearers.
...in other words, precisely the kind of mix and quantity of parts you get in most of the Perry plastic sets. 12 or more different bodies with a good mix of optional heads, arms and accoutrements. (Except that you get a lot more than 24 figures in the average Perry box, usually 38 - 40). And Victrix are not far off this kind of mix either.
So - given that the sculpts already exist and have done for several years (so Warlord will not be paying extra for extra parts to be sculpted), the only reason they'd not include everything in the set that was intended, is to milk a second set out of the available parts...
Me, I am more happy about what is coming than I am lamenting that not everything is going to be in the box.
I'm afraid I'm not so easily satisfied to just take what I'm given. But I guess we should indeed wait to see what's actually in the box before taking positions on it.
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As I understand it you get more figures than was originally planned, however there is going to be less "optional" components. I think (judging from comments made by someone else more knowledgeable than I) quite a few of the head/helmet and arm options in the original plan would have created figures wearing a mish-mash of clothing; sleeves in the style worn in 1515 and hose from 1560 or something to that effect. Perhaps (hopefully?) the components Warlord dropped from the sprue are those that would have created such anachronisms.
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Just because a few bits have been dropped to fit the sprues or make the project more financially viable, that doesn't mean this suddenly brings the set to Gripping Beast archers levels of minimalism. ;)
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Just because a few bits have been dropped to fit the sprues or make the project more financially viable, that doesn't mean this suddenly brings the set to Gripping Beast archers levels of minimalism. ;)
While I'd like all the bits, what they're offering sounds like an OK middle ground between Perry/Victrix on one end of the scale and GB/Conquest on the other.
And personally I'd relieved if it ends up being a very expensive and terrible kit, since I wont have to start a Pikemans Lament collection then :P
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Why not cast the missing bits in metal as additional accessory/ conversion packs.
Presumably the original figures were hand-sculpted as three-ups, so they would probably need to have them either re-scaled or re-sculpted.
That said, Warlord has a fair bit of history in providing metal add-ons for plastic sets.
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And personally I'd relieved if it ends up being a very expensive and terrible kit, since I wont have to start a Pikemans Lament collection then :P
lol
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Today's newsletter has an image of the back of the box (sorry, don't know how to post an image here if it isn't on teh internets).
Plastic components to make 30 pikeman or 24 pikemen and 5 arquebus fellows
There is a command sprue.
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(https://gallery.mailchimp.com/71ca505c950f8867eb0fa9748/images/29e006ff-dc07-44fd-8f38-c9589ab50792.jpg)
Here you go ;)
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Considering the information provided, sounds like the "grunt sprue" is likely to contain 6 bodies, 6 sets of pike, 1 set of arquebuss arms and an unknown number of heads.
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I wonder if they will all be carrying upright pikes, or if we might see some of them holding their pikes at the ready?
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Well if there's only one set of firing arquebus arms that'll be a bit dull, but I guess they could be cross fertilised with some of the Perry mercenary handgun arms in different poses for some more variety. The sprue pictures will tell the true tale!
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Well, although various elements of the upcoming set seem pretty underwhelming, such as it seems (perhaps including that wonderful 16th century hairnet-head promised with the original Kickstarter, which I shall mourn for) I agree with Captain Blood. Just yesterday I saw some delightfully hosed pikemen in pictures of the Stoke Field reenactment that will now be possible to construct with bodies from the new set combined with Perry WOTR Mercenaries. With some sword arms added from the balloon sleeved Hundred Years War French these could pass muster as Venetian Bravos, or perhaps Bruegalesque Rogues. Whereas these seem less than was to be desired, they do expand the reservoir of conversion possibilities in terms of early Renaissance plastics, and present an opportunity for creative potential
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Well if there's only one set of firing arquebus arms that'll be a bit dull, but I guess they could be cross fertilised with some of the Perry mercenary handgun arms in different poses for some more variety. The sprue pictures will tell the true tale!
And the possibility of head swaps / kitbashing with the Perry figures (and others). I expect great things of you Captain Blood!
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Well if there's only one set of firing arquebus arms that'll be a bit dull, but I guess they could be cross fertilised with some of the Perry mercenary handgun arms in different poses for some more variety.
With the limitation that those Perry arms tend to be a bit on the plain side, so if you want to add puffed sleeves to some of them you may need to be prepared to do some extra work.
Anyway, I am curious to see what options the command sprue will add.
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Yesterday's Warlord Newsletter had this picture:
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That's 30 pikemen or 24 pike and 5 gunners (I wonder where that last pikeman went?) with 'options for officers, standard bearers, drummers, etc.'
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Those pictures in the newsletter look promising. I do hope these are compatible with Perry's mercenary box.
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I'm so going to use these for a human fantasy army
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I'm so going to use these for a human fantasy army
Perfect for God of Battles Mercenaries!
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They will complement my old Empire figures nicely.
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loving these. would love to paint some up. a box or two.
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Todays newsletter had this:
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Well they look none too shabby :)
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Hope that Warlord make those Pro Gloria flags available again.
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Look a little bit like playmobile :D
Hope to bring out the personalities of the pro gloria range...
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Just seen this on another forum:
http://www.warlordgames.com/new-landsknechts-landsknecht-officers/
https://us-store.warlordgames.com/products/landsknechts-pikemen
Also Max, Gotz and Georg on the Warlord website.
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(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0288/8306/products/202016001-Landsknecht-Pikemen-03.jpg?v=1499094004)
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They do look good, though the lack of an advancing pose is somewhat disappointing. Maybe they are planning a second set with the different pose? As it is, there seems to be limited conversion options with the parts included unless you can match them with other arms... say like GW greatswords or something?
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They do look good, though the lack of an advancing pose is somewhat disappointing. Maybe they are planning a second set with the different pose?
I wouldn't be suprised to see advancing pike in metal as well as dopplesoldners(sp?) and other variants.
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There were 3 up advancing poses as well. They're not on the sprue though so probably Warlord decided against it. It would have taken 2 sprues or regular infantry and one command frame
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There is an alarming trend for oversimplifyng plastic figure kits these days.
First Gripping Beast, then Fireforge and now Warlord as well.
I mean come one. Basically 50% of that sprue is rubbish, wtf? More casting channels weren't possible?
Lmfao.
Same with those Napoleon Brit cavalry sets. They could have easily made a hybrid kit, saving tooling time and material cost, while putting the same stuff in just on sprue of the original size.
Did Renedra hire some new inexperienced staff or have those wargaming companies become popular enough to become evil?
Guess we have to clone the perrys eventually or start playing GW systems again. We live in interesting times, folks.
Cheers,
Jerekin
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It might be the photo but are those pikes a bit short?
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I have to agree about the amount of stuff on sprue... The sprue pics remind me of the now OOP GW bret plastics that were extremely sparse for the size of the sprue.
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Well, I suppose I'll get a box, mainly to kitbash with Perry late medieval stuff, but looking at the sprues, exactly as predicted, the bare minimum pretty much. Thin pickings.
Yes Jerekin, apart from Perry and Victrix, the clear trend amongst plastic manufacturers is now 'include the bare minimum figures and components in a set that we think we can get away with'.
Ah, the great new era of inexpensive, multipart plastic cornucopia didn't last long did it?
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Yes Jerekin, apart from Perry and Victrix, the clear trend amongst plastic manufacturers is now 'include the bare minimum figures and components in a set that we think we can get away with'.
The pretty recent Victrix Macedonian pikemen have 3 bodies in identical poses and 8 different heads. These have 6 bodies and 9 heads. ;) Not to mention that optional gun - guess how many of those the Macedonians have!
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Well, yeah, they are a bit light on spares and options, but I reckon I will be picking up a box and will be quite happy with the vanilla combination.
Since I'll be using them for a fantasy project with dwarves, ogres and halflings, something a bit less exotic works well with my ideas.
I can also see one box providing almost a whole army for Lion or Dragon Rampant games...
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The pretty recent Victrix Macedonian pikemen have 3 bodies in identical poses and 8 different heads. These have 6 bodies and 9 heads. ;) Not to mention that optional gun - guess how many of those the Macedonians have!
Ah well, I only have Victrix Napoleonic and Ancient Greek sets, and they have a lot of different bodies and components...
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Would be nice to see somebody (preferably Warlord, but I'm not fussy) produce resin arms for halberds, handguns, etc.
Nothing worse than gluing metal accessories to plastic.
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Would be nice to see somebody (preferably Warlord, but I'm not fussy) produce resin arms for halberds, handguns, etc.
Nothing worse than gluing metal accessories to plastic.
I feel exactly the opposite, nothing worse than glueing resin bits! They are so terribly brittle.
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I really like them. I want a huge army of them. So for me they are well suited to bulk out the rank and file. If I only needed 20 it would have been nice with lots of options for hats, weapons and bags. But for 100+ customization is not as important to me.
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Tis early days yet lads...
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I wouldn't be suprised to see advancing pike in metal as well as dopplesoldners(sp?) and other variants.
Actually, Warlord has already offered for a while a pack of advancing pikemen (with pikes at 45 degree angle) and a matching command set. And you can also get a regiment deal of 28 models combining three pikemen packs and a command pack.
There is also a pack of metal arquebusiers, though no halberdiers or zweihanders.
As for Warlord putting out another plastic kit, I would not hold my breath, unless this first one ends up selling extremely well.
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There is an alarming trend for oversimplifyng plastic figure kits these days.
First Gripping Beast, then Fireforge and now Warlord as well.
I mean come one. Basically 50% of that sprue is rubbish, wtf? More casting channels weren't possible?
Lmfao.
Same with those Napoleon Brit cavalry sets. They could have easily made a hybrid kit, saving tooling time and material cost, while putting the same stuff in just on sprue of the original size.
Did Renedra hire some new inexperienced staff or have those wargaming companies become popular enough to become evil?
Guess we have to clone the perrys eventually or start playing GW systems again. We live in interesting times, folks.
Cheers,
Jerekin
I was thinking the same thing. Maybe recent efforts by GW have spoiled me, But it just seems like so much of that sprue is empty!
It reminds me of a GW sprue from 15 years ago.
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The Warlord release is much nicer than I expected. I will have to pick up a few boxes. They look very compatible with the Perry boxes.
As for Victrix, one needs to look at their full body of work, not the individual releases. Their lastest release of Hellenestic heavy cavalry can be used as early Greek, Alexandrian, or Successor HC with lance, spear, or javelins. The three figure sprue has 11 heads, and three each of two different shields (flat or rounded).
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Actually, Warlord has already offered for a while a pack of advancing pikemen (with pikes at 45 degree angle) and a matching command set. And you can also get a regiment deal of 28 models combining three pikemen packs and a command pack.
There is also a pack of metal arquebusiers, though no halberdiers or zweihanders.
As for Warlord putting out another plastic kit, I would not hold my breath, unless this first one ends up selling extremely well.
Well look at that- so they do! :D
I agree on Warlord releasing another Landsknecht plastic kit- it strikes me as very unlikely.
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It might be the photo but are those pikes a bit short?
Gamers prefer ahistorically and unrealistically scaled pikes...
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I was thinking the same thing. Maybe recent efforts by GW have spoiled me, But it just seems like so much of that sprue is empty!
It reminds me of a GW sprue from 15 years ago.
Recent efforts by GW have soured me, like the Empire infantry. Fewer figures on a sprue and a ton of shit bits, like powder monkeys...
The multi-part Empire infantry from ~1999 and the Perry Continental Mercenaries are the propre way to do 'em...
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As well as the existing metal advancing Landsknecht...
https://store.warlordgames.com/collections/landsknecht/products/landsknecht-pike-advancing
There are metal arquebusiers as well.
https://store.warlordgames.com/collections/landsknecht/products/landsknecht-arquebusiers
Though of course it would have been great to have more stuff in this plastic box, I think using it for just the bulk of a unit with weapons shouldered, and using the metal packs for the front ranks and arquebusiers would be pretty effective.
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(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0288/8306/products/202016001-Landsknecht-Pikemen-03.jpg?v=1499094004)
There's something off about these figures compared with the better metals...
IIRC, the same guy who did the plastic Empire State Troops worked on this and it shows: details like feathers and ahistoric clothing combinations. Daniel S had critiqued the 3-ups on TMP a few years ago, but those interested won't care, as these are plastic.
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There's nothing wrong with these figures. But beauty is in the eye of the beholder I guess
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There's nothing wrong with these figures. But beauty is in the eye of the beholder I guess
It's why I said: "as these are plastic."
Notice the fake feathers?
Don't take my word on it: http://theminiaturespage.com/boards/msg.mv?id=358853
The design of the landsknecht clothes is frequently odd as well, a jumble of design styles from diffrent perods mixed in with some rather odd choices. For example the use of narrow undecorated sleeve on the Vams while the hose have extensive slashing and elaborate details. You simply do not find such combintions in the sources. Front opening Vams existed but are very much a minority in the source material, landsknechts and swiss both prefered the side closed design. And so on…
To be fair to Warlord, I see neither figures with an open doublet and the one a doublet that's split down the middle, so maybe they paid attention, but some of the hose looks too elaborate when compared with the some of the arms.
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0309/8965/products/202016001-Landsknecht-Pikemen-02_grande.jpg?v=1499163794)
Excluding the feathers, the above shows what could be achieved when paying attention to period appropriate details, but the average gamer who spent $29 + shipping on a set isn't going care, so will assemble them using all the pike arms and bodies, resulting in a fantasy landsknecht, complete with one pistol packing guy. Pro Gloria's landsknehcts are suitable for the 1525 and later period, with some of their metals wearing pluderhosen, so a box covering a period ~1500-1530s, is like releasing multi-part German infantry suitable for WWI and II, since they're in stahlhelm.
I could use this set for kitbashing, so would appreciate someone putting up comparison pics with Perry Continental Mercenaries and possibly even Perry sculpted Empire infantry from the late 1990s...
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A normal warlord box....
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I really like them. I want a huge army of them. So for me they are well suited to bulk out the rank and file. If I only needed 20 it would have been nice with lots of options for hats, weapons and bags. But for 100+ customization is not as important to me.
INTERESTING!!!
Personally I was hoping for a bit more kitbashing with more different bodyposes.
Still I'm getting a box as well as some Perry mercs to see where it goes.
Erik
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There's nothing wrong with these figures. But beauty is in the eye of the beholder I guess
Indeed I think they are brilliant and it's amusing that all the positive comments before have turned sour for no reason other that it being Standard Operating Procedure for the fickle audience of LAF.
But if they don't want them for the daft stupid reasons so far listed I'm more than happy to let the sour old goats buy me a box each
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James I think some of the problem was that so much was promised by the original company and any landsknecht and renaissance figures are up against the cult of the Perry's.
Personally I find quite a lot of the Perry figures boring and wooden but that is just a personal view.
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I know nothing about promises...but I suppose compared to other plastic landsnekts....oh wait
But *shrigs* I find the entire gaming community these days has become sour and bitter. Guess I'm glad I cannot play anymore
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I ordered a set, with some of the metal officers. I do like 'em.
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Indeed I think they are brilliant and it's amusing that all the positive comments before have turned sour for no reason other that it being Standard Operating Procedure for the fickle audience of LAF.
But if they don't want them for the daft stupid reasons so far listed I'm more than happy to let the sour old goats buy me a box each
I guess if one's a know nothing who views things through rose-tinted glasses, these must be the best thing since sliced bread...
I didn't realize that this is a no critique zone safe space of sockish sycophancy...
You may want to avert your eyes... lol
(https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/0288/8306/products/202016001-Landsknecht-Pikemen-03.jpg?v=1499094004)
The figure on the left has an Union Jack on his chest, it's as if the sculptor couldn't decide on this landsknecht's allegiance... lol
The figure on the front left left base has shoulders that should be attached to a leather doublet...
The designer couldn't decide on making early or middle landsknechts, so figures with elaborate hose from the 1520s and arms from the 1490s...
Feathers, did I cover plummage already? For a group that relied on flamboyant accessories, what we get are random creases on putty. IIRC, when this was pointed out in the Kickstarter, then Pro Gloria offered to sell proper feathers separately - why not get it right the first time. lol
There's an obvious difference in quality between the former Pro Gloria metals and plastics and has to do with the sculptor...
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James I think some of the problem was that so much was promised by the original company and any landsknecht and renaissance figures are up against the cult of the Perry's.
Personally I find quite a lot of the Perry figures boring and wooden but that is just a personal view.
How about critiquing these figures on their own merits and then dragging out the Perry comparison? The mishmash slashed clothing is on par with the mediocre stuff put out by Foundry with the Condottiere rules...
Simply accepting them as great, because there are no other plastic landsknechts is ridiculous...
BTW, there are other plastic landskhnects, albeit in 1:72 scale...
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I've had these types of discussions before, about the generic plastic ACW infantry by the Perry's for instance and the Wargames Factory AWI British infantry (now Warlord)
In the end, I really like these figures and I know I'm going to enjoy putting them together, doing conversions and painting them. They'll be for a fantasy army so historical accuracy is not an issue for me (this time)
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I cannot argue with the quality of the feather sculpting or the (possibly) anachronistic sleeve/hose styles but:
The figure on the left has an Union Jack on his chest, it's as if the sculptor couldn't decide on this landsknecht's allegiance... lol
That is obviously slashing, not a Union Jack ;) lol.
The figure on the front left left base has shoulders that should be attached to a leather doublet...
I am pretty sure that the front left figure of the left hand base is wearing (what is supposed to be) a leather doublet. The figure beside him looks he has the arms that match the leather doublet though. If that is the case, that is a mistake by the person who assembled the models, not the fault of the sculptor.
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I cannot argue with the quality of the feather sculpting or the (possibly) anachronistic sleeve/hose styles but:That is obviously slashing, not a Union Jack ;) lol.
You missed the part about allegiance...
Either a saltire/St. Andrew cross or a sewn on St. George red cross for Imperialists or an equilateral one for everyone else, but not both slashed on the same space. I also thought it a crude Star of Vergina - Macedonian Landsknects... lol
I am pretty sure that the front left figure of the left hand base is wearing (what is supposed to be) a leather doublet. The figure beside him looks he has the arms that match the leather doublet though. If that is the case, that is a mistake by the person who assembled the models, not the fault of the sculptor.
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-4ut_WCOVnz8/U-zM9fvJxnI/AAAAAAABN9o/hDuKGrlvQMM/s1600/10498142_612805858836804_1555987315161655355_o.jpg)
Based on the 3 up, it's not leather. The painter painted the torso down to the codpiece as if it's all one material. The one on the right's shoulders might match a leather doublet, but it looks more like this:
(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/49/b3/6d/49b36d139eeaf2fbf0b055af2f7f2e77--landsknecht-modern-history.jpg)
The leather doublet should look lime this, though the tassets look oversized...
(https://images.indiegogo.com/file_attachments/954503/files/20141023135004-PIC10.jpg?1414097404)
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I've had these types of discussions before, about the generic plastic ACW infantry by the Perry's for instance and the Wargames Factory AWI British infantry (now Warlord)
In the end, I really like these figures and I know I'm going to enjoy putting them together, doing conversions and painting them. They'll be for a fantasy army so historical accuracy is not an issue for me (this time)
I branched out into historics from fantasy, Warhammer and D&D, so have no issue with it and sometimes the former appears fantastic in comparison and the latter mundane. The generic ACW infantry, with some modification, are a great base for other 19th Century troops. My issue is with sloppiness...
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After such a long wait they are a tad of a disappointment. Why did Warlords buy these off Pro Gloria and then not use half of the dollies that were already made up and instead just botch together some badly designed arms etc? I hope that everyone appreciates that a lot of the original Pro Gloria content has not been used, which is so sad. This seems to be a regular occurrence with Warlord they bought the marvelous Paul Hick's figures of The Knights of Malta at the Great Seige of Malta and managed to completely ruin those now these Landesknechts. If they don't want to do the ranges justice, why buy them, hold them in cold storage for years until all the initial enthusiasm has waned, then produce a mediocre facsimile of the original concept?
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@moon... that makes me altough very sad... i hope Stefan makes some artallerie and some mounted Knights in the future....and warlord Keep away.
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After such a long wait they are a tad of a disappointment. Why did Warlords buy these off Pro Gloria and then not use half of the dollies that were already made up and instead just botch together some badly designed arms etc? I hope that everyone appreciates that a lot of the original Pro Gloria content has not been used, which is so sad. This seems to be a regular occurrence with Warlord they bought the marvelous Paul Hick's figures of The Knights of Malta at the Great Seige of Malta and managed to completely ruin those now these Landesknechts. If they don't want to do the ranges justice, why buy them, hold them in cold storage for years until all the initial enthusiasm has waned, then produce a mediocre facsimile of the original concept?
And that's the point.
Nothing to do with being fickle, sour, bitter, old goats or anything else.
Something that has long been promised has materialised after a VERY long wait, in half the form that's been expected by those of us who backed the original Pro Gloria kickstarter.
On a general point - as pointed out many times before - LAF is not a criticism-free zone when it comes to companies offering products for sale. Considered criticism is perfectly legitimate. So even if you disagree, please let's not have snarkiness and name-calling when people make polite criticisms supported by reasons why.
I'll be getting a set. Looking forward to what they're actually like in the hand.
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...sewn on St. George red cross for Imperialists ...
Lol... I didn't even see that bit. lol
Based on the 3 up, it's not leather. The painter painted the torso down to the codpiece as if it's all one material...
Yes, in 3-up it definitely looks like fabric. On the actual plastic figure it looks like it is supposed to be a padded leather doublet (painting the codpiece the same as the doublet certainly doesn't make it look like that though).
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As a guy not normally interest in this period(although the new officer pack looks very nice) I dont have much in he way of feelings but I can get the anger, one thing especially that puzzles me is by waiting they kind of have lost the race as i'm pretty sure Ive heard of other companies now going the plastic landschneckt route.
Overall I find warlords 'adhd' with regards to its lines to be detrimental to an otherwise great company, no sooner was the ECW supplement out(with little in the way of new minis) when we were getting more antares and then sealion which still hasn't been fully released despite a campaign around the corner...and then we see they are testing another new aerial game despite having pretty much just released doctor who...I wish they'd just concentrate on releasing and supporting the properties they have.
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Sod it I'll skip these. This forum has become a great way to never want to wargame
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When funds permit, I'll be getting several boxes. While they don't contain as many bits as Pro Gloria imagined, that is hardly the fault of the sculptor or Stephan and what is there offers some great potential for conversions. It'll be interesting to see how these components match up with GW kits like the greatswords.
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Sod it I'll skip these. This forum has become a great way to never want to wargame
Sorry you don't like it. You haven't been here very long. If you find visiting this forum counter-productive, well, you don't have to come here.
Can we please keep on topic from here on? There's a long history to these figures and so feelings on the matter run high. But if people can't deal with their differences civilly and constructively then it's time to close the thread. I'd prefer not to have to though, as I'm sure there will be other thoughts on these figures once people actually see them for real :)
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please, Richard don't close it!
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I am friends with Michael Anderson, the sculptor, on Facebook. At the time the three ups were being made I was also following the Pro Gloria page and I think I was friends with the owner (not sure about that one). In any case, the point is that I saw the wip pictures of the original three ups and more importantly I was privy to the Facebook discussions that arose over the sculpts. I remember several times objections were raised to his use of various pieces of clothing and equipment. In every case, Michael was able to provide historical justification for his choices and once he had lade out his case the arguments usually ended. I have had occasion to work with several sculptors and observed many more and it's my opinion that if you want historical accuracy in late period European armor he is the go to guy.
Of course, all that being said, you can't stop grognards from arguing and I doubt this post will make a dent, but there's my two cents.
I think that if we could have had the whole kit there would have been much less to argue about because the options would have allowed you tailor your troops exactly to your liking.
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I am friends with Michael Anderson, the sculptor, on Facebook. At the time the three ups were being made I was also following the Pro Gloria page and I think I was friends with the owner (not sure about that one). In any case, the point is that I saw the wip pictures of the original three ups and more importantly I was privy to the Facebook discussions that arose over the sculpts. I remember several times objections were raised to his use of various pieces of clothing and equipment. In every case, Michael was able to provide historical justification for his choices and once he had lade out his case the arguments usually ended. I have had occasion to work with several sculptors and observed many more and it's my opinion that if you want historical accuracy in late period European armor he is the go to guy.
Of course, all that being said, you can't stop grognards from arguing and I doubt this post will make a dent, but there's my two cents.
I think that if we could have had the whole kit there would have been much less to argue about because the options would have allowed you tailor your troops exactly to your liking.
This kit's versatility could've been increased had the torsos and legs been available separately. Exactly what period are these landsknechts for? Based on the metals, Pro Gloria covers the 1520/30+ period, with a few figures in pluderhosen. It's easy to say that Michael Anderson provided "historical justification for his choices," but what were his sources? There are some odd choices in clothing and there are some dodgy 18th/19th Century depictions of troops in a mishmash of various styles in addition to garish coloring. IIRC, Pro Gloria was going to include an assembly sheet with each box, with instructions on putting together period appropriate landsknechts, but I don't think these could be used for pre-1520s and even if possible, the average customer would want to use all of the figures in the box.
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Lol... I didn't even see that bit. lol
The St. George Cross was the badge of the Swabian League, so a landsknecht might have a red patch on his shoulder, doublet or hose and a red St. Andrew Cross patch on his shoulder, doublet, or hose or just slashed onto clothing, but never on the same area, probably to avoid confusion.
Yes, in 3-up it definitely looks like fabric. On the actual plastic figure it looks like it is supposed to be a padded leather doublet (painting the codpiece the same as the doublet certainly doesn't make it look like that though).
It's a mess...
The middle guy might be wearing leather and possibly the guy on the left, but it's a strange choice, as his shirt is exposed, negating the benefit of wearing a jerkin.
(https://scontent.fnyc1-1.fna.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/10459039_634989786618411_7166371504660096824_o.jpg?oh=9434afe808ab4851e7302fedf2137257&oe=59FF592C)
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Am I being dense and missing something? In Condottiere's post he discuss an image of three of the 3-ups. But as far as I can see from the pictures released on Warlord's website none of these figures are actually included in the plastic boxed set that are being sold. The painted examples shown on Warlord's website clearly show 5 of the 6 bodies on a frame and none of them look like the 3-ups being discussed, which is a pity as they were rather nice 3-ups.
I've ordered myself a box. Hope to get some decent figures out of it but at the very least I visualise the Katzbalgers, daggers, pouches, some of the a heads and arms will be usable with those rather nice Tudor dollies that Stuart Mulligan has made. At the very least the pouches and daggers will be joining some of the Perry late Medieval plastics
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those rather nice Tudor dollies that Stuart Mulligan has made.
Linky?
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@ White Knight. They are mentioned in http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=78140.435. He was doing a limited run in June. As of this afternoon he still had some sets left as I managed to purchase to sets. More details are on Stuart's blog - Army Royal (http://stuartsworkbench.blogspot.co.uk/) start reading from 1st May 2017.
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@ White Knight. They are mentioned in http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=78140.435. He was doing a limited run in June. As of this afternoon he still had some sets left as I managed to purchase to sets. More details are on Stuart's blog - Army Royal (http://stuartsworkbench.blogspot.co.uk/) start reading from 1st May 2017.
Those dollies are just great! I bought three sets snd have populated them with Perry and GW arms and heads. Highly recommended!
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Those dollies are just great! I bought three sets snd have populated them with Perry and GW arms and heads. Highly recommended!
I keep meaning to order some, but something else grabs my attention... :(
With a slight bit of tweaking, this would make great Italians, especially since they're the ones who started this style...
The plastic Empire archers are wearing the same style of coats and jackets - much better than the State Troops. Perry heads and arms I get, but wouldn't GW ones be slightly oversized for the dollies - the long arms making the figure look like gorilla?
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Am I being dense and missing something? In Condottiere's post he discuss an image of three of the 3-ups. But as far as I can see from the pictures released on Warlord's website none of these figures are actually included in the plastic boxed set that are being sold. The painted examples shown on Warlord's website clearly show 5 of the 6 bodies on a frame and none of them look like the 3-ups being discussed, which is a pity as they were rather nice 3-ups.
I've ordered myself a box. Hope to get some decent figures out of it but at the very least I visualise the Katzbalgers, daggers, pouches, some of the a heads and arms will be usable with those rather nice Tudor dollies that Stuart Mulligan has made. At the very least the pouches and daggers will be joining some of the Perry late Medieval plastics
I chose this pic and the one in a prior to show which arms are supposed to go with the leather jerkins - Warlord included these arms, but no leather doublets.
For those who had pledged, did these figures have separate torsos and legs? Based on the 3 ups, the tops don't gel with the bottoms, factoring into account landsknecht fashion. On the Pro Gloria Facebook page, the dollies had separate torsos and legs...
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I chose this pic and the one in a prior to show which arms are supposed to go with the leather jerkins - Warlord included these arms, but no leather doublets.
For those who had pledged, did these figures have separate torsos and legs? Based on the 3 ups, the tops don't gel with the bottoms, factoring into account landsknecht fashion. On the Pro Gloria Facebook page, the dollies had separate torsos and legs...
I use both Perry and GW Empire. The latter are bigger but look quite ok. If Photobucket hadnt stopped I could have shared some photos :-[
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I use both Perry and GW Empire. The latter are bigger but look quite ok. If Photobucket hadnt stopped I could have shared some photos :-[
How about Imugr or Flickr?
Oli did some Perry plastics with GW Empire crossbow arms as Gascon or early 16th Century crossbowmen (http://camisado1500s.blogspot.com/2011/08/gascon-crossbowmen.html) and while they look great, part of me thinks the arms are bit long on the human side - maybe it's the slashed and puffy clothing. ???
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For those who had pledged, did these figures have separate torsos and legs? Based on the 3 ups, the tops don't gel with the bottoms, factoring into account landsknecht fashion. On the Pro Gloria Facebook page, the dollies had separate torsos and legs...
I just went back and checked and apparently they did not. There are no pictures of the sprues, and no pictures indicating that torsos and legs were separate. Here is the blurb which indicates they were all one part.
"What is in the Plastic Box?
In this box will be 24 hard plastic 28mm (1/56) miniatures that come with a leaflet (approximately 16-18 pages full with historical background, assembling tips, painting shemes etc) and a single sheet with six different flags."
The box will hold 4 frames in total. Two core Landsknecht frames plus two extra command frames.
The core frame will contain 10 different bodies plus 20 different heads as well as enough arms to have yours Landsknechts in advancing and marching poses with weapon options for halberds, spears and pikes. The frame will also hold extra swords, pouches and other nice extras.
The command frame will include 2 bodies plus a huge selection of extra heads, enough parts for musicians and banner bearers.
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Here are some shots I don't think have been posted.
Drummer
(https://images.indiegogo.com/file_attachments/1018862/files/20141116031728-drummer2.jpeg?1416136648)
Poleaxe
(https://images.indiegogo.com/file_attachments/991731/files/20141106111607-poleaxe.jpeg?1415301367)
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How about Imugr or Flickr?
Oli did some Perry plastics with GW Empire crossbow arms as Gascon or early 16th Century crossbowmen (http://camisado1500s.blogspot.com/2011/08/gascon-crossbowmen.html) and while they look great, part of me thinks the arms are bit long on the human side - maybe it's the slashed and puffy clothing. ???
Maybe this link work?
https://i.imgur.com/KzunMuO.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/s1iT28x.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/8tsBcud.jpg
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Sorry you don't like it. You haven't been here very long. If you find visiting this forum counter-productive, well, you don't have to come here.
very true.
how does one close his account? can you PM me how
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Please everyone. There is no need for this level of angst.
These are toys we collect and paint as a hobby. If you like them, get some if not, then don't.
I myself have gotten 3 boxes of them as I think they are just the stuff to fill out the ranks. I could have buildt an entire army of the metals already available from Warlord, Artizan, Foundry TAG etc. But I also like my money! So these plastics are a cheaper option for me. Despite having a masters degree in History and Medieval and Renaissance Archaeology and working as a museum curator. I am really not into button counting (I get enough of that at work - Litterally some days!). These are perfectly suitable Landsknechts for me. I figure a lot can be changed on these chaps just by the way you paint them.
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What ever issues these may have I will probably get the bundle deal... I don't even collect the period- how sad is that!?! :'( :'( :'(
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I Like them as they look like they'll be suitable for the 1540's and I stopped worrying about what mid 16th century European figures looked like when I took a closer look at Breughel's paintings as it seems anything goes. From memory one pic has a halberdier in kettle hat, chainmail coat and leggings next to figures dressed in the height of fashion.
cheers Pete
https://thegreatitalianwars.blogspot.co.uk/ (https://thegreatitalianwars.blogspot.co.uk/)
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Just received email where Warlord is offering £10 discount - I am getting a box :D
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Me too. Ordered! Eight quid is too good to resist - although the five pounds shipping is a bit rich. Still, effectively that's 13GBP post paid, which is still a knock down price for a brand new product...
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Whatcha gonna use them for Richard ???
cheers
James
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Me too. Ordered! Eight quid is too good to resist - although the five pounds shipping is a bit rich. Still, effectively that's 13GBP post paid, which is still a knock down price for a brand new product...
Is this a coupon? Still see $29.00 and since it's below $30, shipping is $12.50...
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Is this a coupon? Still see $29.00 and since it's below $30, shipping is $12.50...
It is a discount code but only for the UK webstore. The code is:
JULYFREE10-c3tecad8
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When someone gets them can you do a comparison shot between GW Empire and Warlord please!
Thanks :D
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I've just received my box of Warlord Landsknechts and there were some pleasant suprises there as well as the expected downers. I'll start with what in my view are the bad points. I'm better at moaning than being complimentary.;
A) The artwork on the box is the original artwork commissioned by ProGloria from , I believe, Peter Dennis. Lovely picture but I'm not sure if Walord aren't breaking some trade descriptions by using it. If you compare the picture with the actual parts received you can not make up any of the main figures depicting in the artwork.
B) The arms in the box are very limited and, in my opinion some of them are just not typical of landsknechts. The likes of Stuart and Captain Blood will possibly utilise them with the Pery plastics to bring some of the Perry bodies forward to early Tudor times.
C) The bodies consist of three wearing breastplates and three wearing slashed cloth. There are no typical leather jerkins included. Though the one body with vertical slashing may be viable as a jerkin, I'll wait for someone with more knowledge of the period to pass their judgement on that..
D) The command sprue has only the one additional figure, though it does provide a drum and drummer's hands to use with one of the bodies on the main sprue. As none of these have any form of cross strap the drum is presumably held aloft by several coats of anti-gravitational paint and a lot of will power on the drummer's part.
E) There is only one variety of Katzbalger and dagger provided, which for such a very individualistic bunch of warriors is a shame.
The good points;
1) The figures are exceptionally well moulded, every piece is very clear and crisp.
2) The figures are smaller and thinner than other Warlord plastics I've seen(their ECW and Napoleonics) and appear to be suitable matches for the Wargames Foundry figures done so long ago by the Perrys.
3) When ProGloria was showing the 3 ups during the failed Kickstart I thought some of the faces were a bit too much like caricatures. This was a nagging worry to me once they were bought by Warlord Games as I regard many of the faces of their figures to be extreme caricatures if not gargoyles. However the faces have turned out really good and I have to admit I like them a lot.
4) The individual plumes on the sprues are not at all bad and will be very useful for tweeking these and Perry plastics.
5) Having had a bleat about the Katzblagers, I now have to say that they, the daggers, two varieties of pouch and the gun powder container are sharp little works of art. It is a pity there are not more on the frame as they're going to be so useful tweeking other early renaissance figures.
6)Nearly forgot, I think the sheet of banners/flags(five provided) are reprints of some of the original flags that were produced for and sold by ProGloria and are particulary nice, love the standard with the heraldy of the city of Nurnberg.
So all in all as much as I would have like the original ProGloria intentions, I'm happily suprised to discover that Warlord have not made such a pig's ear out of the silken purse as I expected.
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Nice review, thank you. :)
I also took advantage of the special code and have a box on the way. I'm looking forward to them even more now. Found a few spare bits from an old GW Empire soldiers kit and am hoping they will match well enough to squeeze a few conversions or even whole new figures out of them.
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Received my box this morning, my view for what it's worth;
Some of the parts individually are very good, the legs in particular as well as the armoured torsos but the unarmoured torsos aren't quite right but I'm a Landsknecht nut, aside from that they have that overall look about them.
Some of the heads are ok but with the notable exception of the Maximilian armet all of the helmets don't seem to be in proportion or indeed the right shape.
For me it's the arms, none of them are right, there's no puff and slash as per the legs. The arms are completely at odds with the rest of the figure and that's where these figures are lost in my view.
The accessories though few are very good but overall the visual appeal is at best 2/3 right if the right combination is used.
The arm issue can be worked around by sculpting or by using other arms from other sets but for me this box is a definite must for converting purely for the want of any viable alternative.
If you're not that bothered about historical accuracy or are using them as faux empire they're great but otherwise you'll need to convert them a bit.
All in all I guess it's 6/10 from me. From inception the box was attempting to cater for the wide breadth of the Landsknecht era with a view for fantasy appeal also and whilst I can see commercial sense in that some balance needs to be applied.
However it's the only Landsknecht plastic set in 28mm and people will buy it.
I'm still pleased they're out, any interest in this period is a bonus as it's so often overlooked.
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Welp, just bought a few boxes. I'll try to make the first few historically accurate, and see if that feels like more trouble than it's worth. My primary goal is, in fact, a cheap fantasy Empire army, but if I can double them up as a reasonably acceptable Italian Wars force as well, that would be a nice bonus.
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I wouldn't sweat it if I were you. Although it is frustrating for those that want to do it "right" most gamers will not worry too much about the specific decade of your Landsknechts' sleeves, they will just be impressed by a painted unit being fielded. (And will then happily fight them against a Thirty Year War Spanish army...)
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I wouldn't sweat it if I were you. Although it is frustrating for those that want to do it "right" most gamers will not worry too much about the specific decade of your Landsknechts' sleeves, they will just be impressed by a painted unit being fielded. (And will then happily fight them against a Thirty Year War Spanish army...)
Lulz.... lol
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I wouldn't sweat it if I were you. Although it is frustrating for those that want to do it "right" most gamers will not worry too much about the specific decade of your Landsknechts' sleeves, they will just be impressed by a painted unit being fielded. (And will then happily fight them against a Thirty Year War Spanish army...)
This!
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Well, my discounted box arrived today.
On the whole, very happy with them. Yes, Warlord could have included more options and accessories, and one or two of the components look a bit off (that sallet helm on the command sprue - that's never going to fit a human head inside it, unless said head has been ironed flat).
Perhaps the Perrys have spoiled us with their sets, but this is a decent kit for a decent price. They'll paint up nicely, fill big units, and will provide fodder for conversion.
All in all, nicely done but maybe could have been refined more before release. 7/10
EDIT: Has anyone got a good reason for the armoured captain's separate leg? If they'd made it one part, they could have had an extra body on there...
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I backed the original Pro Gloria Kickstarter as a way of kick starting me back into the hobby after years of talking about painting and gaming rather than doing it-my first proper army was a Warrior Miniatures Landsknecht force bought in 1980-I really want to like these figures (two boxes ordered) but am starting to feel nervous-oh and hello.
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Mine arrived this morning. I'm pretty pleased with them. The heads are much better than I expected after seeing the three-ups - there are some very nice ones there. The pikes are a few millimetres shorter than the Perry equivalents and the arms would fit on a Perry figure without issue and vice versa. Some nice little bits and pieces to add to figures.
The bodies are shorter than their Perry WotR equivalents - a better match for the Foundry landsknecht. The armoured bodies, as Stuart says, aren't quite right. One moan - two of the bodies seem to have been intended for the figures holding their pikes at angle with the result that the torso is facing to the right of the line of march - so if you use the pike held upright this will look a bit odd. As you get five identical sprues, each with six figures (and nine heads), this means ten figures are going to look a bit strange in the pike block. Still I suppose this makes your selection of figures for other duties much easier.
The 'command' sprue features one fully plated up figure, four additional heads, drum and drumming arms, feathers (better in the flesh than expected) and some weaponry.
The shooting option is one set of arms on each sprue.
So I think this is a very nice set - as has already been mentioned, we have been rather spoiled by the Perries plastics. As far as I can see, from a purely sticking bits together viewpoint, the two are perfectly compatible. I'm very keen to see what our talented members do with them.
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Mine arrived today.
I must say I am well pleased with them. They are very nicely cast. There is hardly a moldline on them.
There is only one gun on the sprue and that is a bit sad. But overall I think this is a very nice box.
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Got my box too. They are lovely figures, so kudoss to the sculptor, but people weren't exagerating that they were small. They are tiny, smaller than the metals from the range even. That should put to rest any notions of compatibility with the GW kits or fantasy miniatures in general I think.
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Well that's a disappointing aspect to them then, and a missed opportunity really I think. They're out of my particular preference range if they're smaller than even the Perry plastics. Glad most others are happy with them though!
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Are these as slight as normal Perry offerings, or are they a bit larger (more in line with some Warlord's other kits)?
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Got my box too. They are lovely figures, so kudoss to the sculptor, but people weren't exagerating that they were small. They are tiny, smaller than the metals from the range even. That should put to rest any notions of compatibility with the GW kits or fantasy miniatures in general I think.
Any pics White Knight? A comparison shot would be wonderful.
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The painted ones are warlords metal. I Think they fit perfectly. If anything the plastic ones are a tiny bit larger. They might not fit current GW sets I don't know. But they certainly fit the metal range.
(https://i.imgur.com/qQl9t8r.jpg)
If the metal ones look sad it is because when taking them out for the photo I dropped the base and they all fell of their bases and lost their pikes :-[ :'(
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To be fair it seems that the plastic ones have the standard much thicker base.
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I was comparing them unassembled to the new metal command group. My judgment may have been off but they seemed smaller? Will have another look at home.
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Hmm. Just compared my old Empire stuff against these, and as predicted the GW parts are larger by half than the Warlord pikemen.
I thought that I could maybe at least seed a few spare heads into the ranks for variety, but no. Not unless I want to represent some troops with acromegaly. :?
Not to worry. I'll just let Captain Blood play about with them and come up with some conversion ideas I can steal.
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Not to worry. I'll just let Captain Blood play about with them and come up with some conversion ideas I can steal.
Well I'd love to oblige Rob, but still waiting for my box to arrive... ::)
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But you ordered them before me and I've had mine a week. :?
That's rubbish. Write to your MP.
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Yeah. Warlord are rubbish.
Yesterday I ordered the newly released Rubicon DAK BMW and sidecar kit (I'm excited, it looks LOVELY) from the ever excellent and reliable Arcane Scenery and Models. It arrived today - that's less than 24 hours. Post-free by the way.
In fact, everything I ever order from Arcane, Great Escape Games and so on, always arrives within a day or two.
Things ordered from Warlord (a princely £4.99 delivery charge added by the way - when the actual postage and packing cost is probably about a quid) always take weeks to arrive. Woeful :(
Is this because they're so big and successful and have so much to get through? Or is it just because they're inefficient and don't really give a toss?
The fact that you ordered your box after me, but have received yours while I'm still waiting, suggests inefficient and uncaring for their customers...
Who knows. But they're always slow.
10 days and waiting...
We shall see...
8)
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They (Warlord) have just sent out £10.00 off vouchers to a lot of their customers recently, so that may have something to do with the delay? Still, Ten days at £4.99 is piss poor.
I realised that unless I spent over fifty quid, their seemly generous discount amounted to only a fiver off anyway after I'd paid postage!
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Hi,
New and nervous-I ordered the plastic Landsknechts and and an advancing regiment of metals on the 9th and received them on the 19th so not bad given the metal figs not being stock items etc however I read, in this thread, about the discount code on the 12th and contacted the service desk to ask if the code could added retrospectively or not a peep until I emailed on the day my figures arrived the ticket was still open etc.. I was given a £10.00 discount and an apology? so mixed signals I say
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They (Warlord) have just sent out £10.00 off vouchers to a lot of their customers recently, so that may have something to do with the delay? Still, Ten days at £4.99 is piss poor.
I realised that unless I spent over fifty quid, their seemly generous discount amounted to only a fiver off anyway after I'd paid postage!
I have about 6 of those unused in my inbox. Everything i want is cheap enough but just let me use the left over from the voucher to pay postage!
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Yesterday I ordered the newly released Rubicon DAK BMW and sidecar kit (I'm excited, it looks LOVELY) from the ever excellent and reliable Arcane Scenery and Models. It arrived today - that's less than 24 hours. Post-free by the way.
In fact, everything I ever order from Arcane, Great Escape Games and so on, always arrives within a day or two.
Oh, Arcane Scenery are fantastic. Everything I order them arrives the next day. Free postage. That's as good as it gets!!!!
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Found this video:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYDXgPvLZW4 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYDXgPvLZW4)
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Ok, so I had a bit of a play about last night while de-spruing these and YES! They are a good match for the Perry WOTR range. I've mixed a few spare heads for variety at least.
Also, by mixing in an old Perry sculpted Empire captain and a very old Doppelsoldner from Ral Partha I worked out that one box will provide enough troops for a small company in Lion/Dragon Rampant or The Pikeman's Lament. (2x 12 pike or Heavy Foot, 6 skirmishers or Commanded Shot, and either separate command figures or 6 Elite Foot depending on which system you go for.) only things missing is horse and guns.
This leaves a nice clump of extras for the bits box too.
All in all, I'm more pleased with the box contents that I first anticipated.
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Well, I got mine, and I do think there is a lot of missed opportunities in this kit...
Mainly, I am extremely unhappy with the lack of Landsknecht style heads. Among 9 on the main frame and 4 on the command there is but one with headgear that resembles the typical baret, and one that has a skullcap. The two feathered heads just barely work, which still leaves one third without proper heads. No way to make a unit look like Landsknechts without major work. In an attempt to do extraordinary heads they completely failed to provide the typical standard.
A ratio of 50% armoured bodies - in pauched and wedged armour that puts them into the second half of the 16th century - is also - lets say - uncommon to unlucky for Landsknechts.
That the pikeheads with the blades are wrong is almost neglectible.
Luckily my Empire-army for the Old World can use two large units of spear/pike infantry, and for that they are imho perfectly suited. I am a bit sad that these will not make Landsknechts, but the sprues can be plundered for bits and kitbashing, and they do fill a gap in my existing fantasy forces.
A final word on the first flag, showing the pillars of Gibralater framing an Imperial eagle. This is also a fantasy banner - the pillars were a symbol for Spain, NOT the Empire, while the Imperial eagle never stood for the Spanish domains. Even while both were united due to Charles being King and Emperor, there is no unit in either the Imperial or Spanish force that would bear these arms as depicted.
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Perry sells separate Swiss, Italian, and European heads from 1490-1520. Hopefully, these can be of some use to expand the Landsknechte options in the Warlord box.
Although I have mixed feelings about plastic cavalry, a Perry box of plastic Gendarmes from the first half of the 16th century would be a thing of beauty.
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I have taken a couple of comparison shots to see how the Warlord Plastic Landskneckts match my existing figures.
First the pikemen.
(http://i1304.photobucket.com/albums/s540/garybourne/Italian%20Wars/Landsknect20Pikeman201_zpsd6yqyuuf.jpg) (http://s1304.photobucket.com/user/garybourne/media/Italian%20Wars/Landsknect20Pikeman201_zpsd6yqyuuf.jpg.html)
L to R Warlord plastic, Foundry, Warlord Plastic, Arizan, Perry WotR, Warlord Metal (Old Pro Gloria), Warlord Plastic
Then the Arquebusiers
(http://i1304.photobucket.com/albums/s540/garybourne/Italian%20Wars/Landsknect20Arquebus201_zps0xjcmjb5.jpg) (http://s1304.photobucket.com/user/garybourne/media/Italian%20Wars/Landsknect20Arquebus201_zps0xjcmjb5.jpg.html)
L to R Foundry, Warlord Plastic, Perry WotR Handgunner.
There are a couple of stiff poses and I am not sure that the free arms are brilliant but they match up well. I will be replacing the pikes with metal ones.
However the figures are not good for arquebus firers. The poses are too stiff and there is no forward leaning poses that makes them believable. I will stick to metals for them. I was also disappointed not to find a double handed sword in the box.
Unless they also planning to produce an set in an advancing pose then I will not be buying too many of these despite their relative cheapness.
Overall 5/10
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Perry sells separate Swiss, Italian, and European heads from 1490-1520. Hopefully, these can be of some use to expand the Landsknechte options in the Warlord box.
I have all three Perry head sets right here beside my comp, and while they do fit with size and connection (it needs some shaving and perhaps greenstuffing the neck, but overall they go quite along) the Perrys heads are imho good for the 1470 to 1500 period (first Italian campaign and the Swabian war) - with only very few usable for later periods (and personally I already slated these for Stuards Tudor bodies) - while the fashion style put on the plastics fits the 1520 (at earliest) to 1540 (with armour even a bit later). I do not think they go well together - if you care enough to replace the heads to start with, you will probably not want to use these without further work.
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Gentlemen-
Thank you all for your comprehensive reviews. It seems that, given my interest in the 1500-1527 period, I will not be buying these figures to complete my collection. You've collectively saved me some money and considerable frustration.
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given my interest in the 1500-1527 period, I will not be buying these figures to complete my collection.
If you are looking for ready to use minis, then you can skip them. If you kitbash minis, these will go with Perry or the old GW sets and of course various metals. You might even get some workable minis out of these set, but more in the 5-10 range then 30. Its all about expectations. I got myself the brigade-deal and I am just disappointed concerning their value for historical unit building (ie. Landsknechts). The kit offers a usefull quarry of arms, weapons, torsos (eg. the armoured pouches can be shaved down to resemble contemporary armour better) and special heads. The kit is also perfect for building pike/spear armed units for fantasy equivalents of the HRE, like the Empire of the Old World or Tilea. If you can adjust your expectations, they might be worth it.
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Not all of us are trained to understand the detailed evolution of dress and armor in the early 16th century. Many will use these figures as landsknechtes for most armies of the period. Heck, I recently purchased some early Parthian cataphracts and will probably end up using them as any cataphracts between 200BC and 600AD without much concern.
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Just a small footnote-
Renedra had nothing at all to do with these figures.
Warlord use other people now (for about 5 years) apart from a small back catalogue of figures the did for them back in the day.
Hope that clarifies things a little.
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My box came through my local dealer who hapened to handdeliver in person. I have looked at them and as far as I am concerned nothing wrong with them. Completely compatible with Perry medievals of which I used a couple of extra body's as fully armoured officers / doppelsoldner / officers on horse. Perry heads have been used together with the original ones and some of GW empire archer heads. All very do-able. Result , I will order some more boxes.
Frankly I have been following this thread and everybody has a right to their own opinion as do firms have the right to make figures as they see fit. If people want to buy these , so much the better for them.I come from a time where Airfix figures were converted into almost everything just to portray a certain faction in a certain time frame, mostly rather generic. Who of you can truly say they have never used a post 1812 french infantry-men in a battle before 1812? Aren't we all a bit spoiled with the quality of the figures metal,resin, plastic or what ever medium they will think of next that we complain because their socks are pulled up to high, or that their weapon is missing a rivet.
I've seen in the past years since plastic arrived on the market some miracles from people that I have copied shamelessly as best as possible. When Stephan started this, he had a vison, but at the end this couldn't be fulfilled, Warlord stepped in (they didn't have to do this)and put this into their worksystem. Fair deal. The biggest achievement here is that the box is available. Whether you buy it or not is your choice.
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Top post, Johan. Couldn't agree more. :)
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Likewise. I've been depressed by what I would consider the nitpicking of many contributing to this thread. I too remember the early days of wargaming in the Sixties and Seventies. Wargamers today just don't realise how lucky they are. End of old fogey rant . . .jumpers for goal posts etc etc.
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Still waiting for mine ::)
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Just to set the record straigth as far as I'm concerned, I think the models and bits are fine, I'm just disappointed with the size as far as my needs go. :)
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Ahhh come one.. I have wanted to leave it at that. But it seems there is need for clarification.
I really don't want to spoil anyone. So take it with a grain of salt.
Frankly I have been following this thread and everybody has a right to their own opinion as do firms have the right to make figures as they see fit.
Correct, as people have the right to critizise.
As already pointed out everyone has their own standards depending on context.
For me it is a about inclusion. The better the product, the more people can make use of it and the more revenue there is for warlord as well. Sounds good or not?
I really don't know why this makes people angry or sad. If the product suits your needs - at your leisure.
In my opinion one just clearly has to emotionally dissociate and read critics sober and impersonal.
Aren't we all a bit spoiled with the quality of the figures metal,resin, plastic or what ever medium they will think of next that we complain because their socks are pulled up to high, or that their weapon is missing a rivet.
[...] , Warlord stepped in (they didn't have to do this)and put this into their worksystem. Fair deal. The biggest achievement here is that the box is available.
Let me use the rhetoriclal device of exaggeration just as you did. Considering that no criticism is allowed, they just can serve us a big piece of *** and we have to swallow it quietly? Nahh, I prefer to live in a world where everyone is free to critizise, if he feels to.
Looks like the usual witchhunt for "denigrators" to me. It's a professional company and we are all grown up so what? Let's chat about the product, its features, just as everyone likes. There is a time for rational critics and a time for fun. The first won't harm the latter if you don't let.
Johan, I know you already wrote the most important point in your first sentence of your second paragraph, but in the aftermath you didn't seem too convinced about it. You have to view my small rant more as a general thougt not pointed specifically at you anyway. (I basically agree with you to 100%, but there was just some bad aftertaste and I felt like people are already lighting their torches and looking for their pitchforks (I don't know if this is the correct metaphor in English))
And btw I come from a time where we only had a stick and a wheel. Nahh joke, but you see the problem. All things are relative. On Mars is no live possible at all.
:o
Better commit suicide.
;)
Honestly I really enjoyed reading the point of view of everyone here and some things also will really help me to get the most out of my Landsknechts. I hope in the future we can concentrate on critisizing the figures (let it be positively or negatively) instead of each others point of view.
Keep calm and don't take things to personal.
And most important enjoy the hobby.
Sorry for my English, Good Day and Best Regards,
Jerekin
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For me it's about being able to do the big pike blocks without needing a crane or block and tackle with an 'A' frame to put them on the table. ;)
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And.... Relax.
It's okay to say you love these figures. It's okay to say you don't like them.
As pointed out earlier in the thread, provided criticism is reasoned and polite, that's fine. LAF is not, and has never been, a criticism-free zone.
Saying 'you're wrong for liking this product' or 'you're wrong for criticising this product' is less helpful, because that's no longer about the product, it's about criticising other people's opinions. Which seldom ends well. So please let's not go down that road...
Maybe my set will arrive tomorrow :)
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Gonna build these as fantasy troops. If decide I want to use them for historical gaming, I'll buy more accurate metals to fill out the front ranks.
Easy peasy
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For me it's about being able to do the big pike blocks without needing a crane or block and tackle with an 'A' frame to put them on the table. ;)
Think of it as a workout between the chips and cheese... lol
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And.... Relax.
It's okay to say you love these figures. It's okay to say you don't like them.
As pointed out earlier in the thread, provided criticism is reasoned and polite, that's fine. LAF is not, and has never been, a criticism-free zone.
Saying 'you're wrong for liking this product' or 'you're wrong for criticising this product' is less helpful, because that's no longer about the product, it's about criticising other people's opinions. Which seldom ends well. So please let's not go down that road...
Maybe my set will arrive tomorrow :)
(http://rs144.pbsrc.com/albums/r172/glen55/applause.gif?w=280&h=210&fit=crop)
There are those who swear by Curteys' bobbleheads and Zinnfigurens and that fake from other angles NMM painting style, but as long as everyone is having fun and not being a mopey sparkly vampire or a mopey sparkly werewolf, where's the harm?
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It is a discount code but only for the UK webstore. The code is:
JULYFREE10-c3tecad8
Is this legal, from a consumer POV?
I'm registered at Warlord, yet all I'm getting Bolt Action and Antares "spam" and no coupon... >:(
Not that it would've made that much of a difference: as it's a Dollar short of $30, a US buyer would still be charged $12.50 shipping, so the final price would be close to $29 RRP...
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Maybe this link work?
https://i.imgur.com/KzunMuO.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/s1iT28x.jpg
https://i.imgur.com/8tsBcud.jpg
Perfect...
Maybe it's the angle, but the halberdier's arm seems slightly long, but the rest look okay. Since these dollies were sculpted by Oliver of Steel Fist, are they a little taller than Perry plastics?
Looking at the below photo, unless the groundwork varies for each figure, the shoulders are about the same height as SF knight's ones. Since GW figures tend to be vertically challenged, but with biggish heads and limbs, they'd look right on these dollies - Primaris Marines anyone?
(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-gg1-nZduhKA/WW30vlloYwI/AAAAAAAAEA0/OhNDakEUIb8u0470JRDXUBfEs9NRqFplgCLcBGAs/s1600/Stanley%2B1.jpg)
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Hello there
Not wishing to hi-jack the thread but I thought i'd add some detail.
These figures are my sculpting over 6 dollies sculpted by Oliver of Steel Fist.
I created them to enable me to build early Tudor figures using the Perry Plastics sets thus they're a good match to those figures. They also work well with the SF Knights though the latter are taller figures alongside Perry and these dollies.
They're incomplete figures requiring arms, heads and equipment, the angle may be deceiving on the pic regarding the arm length, I've attached a couple of individual shots which might help.
The shoulders require the sleeves to be sculpted after assembly, the appearance of which will vary depending on the ability of the buyer.
From experience depending on the pose some shoulders are quite easy and some are a bit more tricky which can lead to or emphasise a 'Space Marine' look, but as ever with sculpting less is more.
In saying that, if you look at paintings and woodcuts of base coats, or indeed see a contemporary copy that is what they look like, they were not tight fitting as they were made to go over a number of layers of usually quite voluminous clothing and/or armour.
I created them primarily for my own collection but they are for sale with the above in mind.
From my miniscule experience of creating and selling some figures I have enormous respect for the small operations out there, it can't be easy.
Hope that helps.
All the best
Stuart
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So it turns out, I'll be greenstuffing some of their sleeves after all. Not just for historical accuracy, which is nice but non-critical, but also to blend them in better with the stash of 6th-ed Empire infantry I just remembered I have.
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Dear customer.
We are currently changing our stock management system and this process is generating a few glitches and issues that we are now fixing, but that are often unpredictable.
A few orders that we have received between the 11th and the 12th of July have unfortunately fallen victim of one of these issues, by appearing as printed and received on our new system but never received by the picking team... we could discover what happened only yesterday afternoon.
As your order was one of these, I would like of course to apologise for the uncommon delay and confirm that we are doing our best to ensure that you will receive the items you have purchased with the utmost urgency.
Your order will be prepared as soon as possible and we expect it to leave us between Monday 31st July and Tuesday 1st August.
We will upgrade the order's shipment method to ensure the quickest delivery, so please expect this parcel to be delivered to you shortly.
Thank you again for your purchase with us and for your patience.
Kind regards,
Lorenzo
Warlord Games Customer Service team
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That explains it...
Almost three weeks...
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There might be something to it. I have just recieved an email that my order has been packed and shipped. An order I recieved 14 days ago.
So there might be some gremlins in Warlords ordering system.
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I suppose it was the discount that made you go with ordering from Warlord in this case, Captain Blood. Usually I order my Warlord items from ebay sellers. Often cheaper and delivered quicker...
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'That explains it...
Almost three weeks...'
And in that time I've had my first box, decided it was good and ordered and received a second....
Cap'n Blood - hope you like them them once they arrive,,,,
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Still no sign.. ::)
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The enclosed was in my in box!
15% OFF voucher code!
Hi William,
We hope that you're enjoying your new Landsknecht troops and now is the perfect time to add some reinforcements to your force! Just use the coupon code below to get 15% OFF Italian Wars products.
The code expires on 14th August, so please use it before then to get your discount.
Note that the discount applies to any products in the Italian Wars 1494-1559 range, such those below and more. [/i][/i]
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Well, they've finally arrived, together with a properly apologetic letter explaining the delay and a voucher for ten pounds off my next purchase. Which, in fairness, is pretty decent of Warlord Games. (Although, since I'm only ever likely to order a kit or two from them, and they have a minimum postage charge of a fiver, it's not quite that generous).
Actually, the most surprising thing the letter reveals is that Warlord Games has now grown to - wait for it - almost a hundred employees!
A HUNDRED EMPLOYEES! Ye Gods. I always knew they were on a quest for world domination, but for a weird little niche industry like miniatures wargaming, that surely puts them amongst the biggest boys? Not quite GW-corporate toymaker sized maybe - but I'm guessing as big as the next biggest thing out there (considering that most other wargames businesses are still one, two or three man / woman bands... )
The downside of this, I can't help feeling, is that if you're running a serious, grown-up, medium-sized business with 100 employees, then your customers have a right to expect serious, grown-up, business-like service. Which certainly hasn't been my experience to date. So I'm not sure that revealing the scale of the company was necessarily a good idea. Still, there you go...
Back on topic...
As far as the product itself goes, I have to say - pretty nice.
The bodies and most of the heads I like a lot (although there are a couple of heads which seem downright peculiar). Overall though, nicely moulded, with fine attractive detail. The limitations of the arms, viz. marching pikes or nothing (apart from one set of arquebus-firing arms - which are quite GW Empire like) is not so great. Some of the accessories will be useful for the bits box however. I will be hybridising these with Perry plastics to make more late C15th mercenaries rather than landsknechts proper. So they'll do nicely for me. But then I'm not overly fussed about historical accuracy provided they give the right feel...
I'm afraid I still think it's a shame they didn't go the whole hog and include all the other bodies and arms that were originally intended, but let's not go round that loop again.
For what you get, I think they're pretty good - especially since I got £10 discount to start with and then another £10 discount coupon to compensate for the fact they took the best part of a month to arrive. Making them effectively free :D
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Captain: please post pictures when you've produced some figures. I'd love to see them.
As an aside, I haven't bought anything from Warlord recently but when I did I found their customer service to be good. My problem with them was rather the quality of their product.
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I think you were simply very unlucky Cap'n. I've had several orders from Warlord and they were all delivered within three or four days. I got some of the ex-pro Gloria metal civilians with my last order and they were equally small but gorgeous.
As for quality issues, I guess I've been lucky. My Warlord purchases have been mostly from their Napoleonic range - after I got over Warlord's weird packaging (ie not being able to make a battalion from what is in the box...) and accepted them as simply rank and file for larger units with other makers metals mixed in to make up the units, then they were fine. The plastic figures have nice detailing and their faces have some character (which is a bit of an issue for me with Perry).
I'm surprised that Warlord have 100 employees - that is very impressive.
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Warlord confirmed my order July 11 and today I got an email that they have dispatched it... :?
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I got my box of Landsknechts and decided to look at the possibilities for mixing bits with the Perry European Mercenaries box. The figures work well together size-wise but comparison does highlight the weird proportions of the Landsknechts, with their long bodies and short legs. The possibilities are a bit limited but I think I can use some of the Warlord bodies with Perry arms to give me posher looking crossbowmen (maybe a civic guild or somethig...) Thus the picture above.The arms that are joined onto the weapon need extra surgery to get them to sit correctly. Separate arms should present no problems though.
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''The plastic figures have nice detailing and their faces have some character (which is a bit of an issue for me with Perry).''
So its not just me then? I've been tempted by several of the Perry ranges but I play skirmish and find that they lack a bit of character for that Scale (they look fantastic ranked up though).
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I got my box of Landsknechts and decided to look at the possibilities for mixing bits with the Perry European Mercenaries box. The figures work well together size-wise but comparison does highlight the weird proportions of the Landsknechts, with their long bodies and short legs. The possibilities are a bit limited but I think I can use some of the Warlord bodies with Perry arms to give me posher looking crossbowmen (maybe a civic guild or somethig...) Thus the picture above.The arms that are joined onto the weapon need extra surgery to get them to sit correctly. Separate arms should present no problems though.
A perception of short legs due to slashing and the way the hose is worn higher up on the waist or actual short legs?
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Looks ok to me.
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I think it looks great, looking forward to seeing how it paints up.
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Looks good to me, great as an Italian or possibly French.
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''The plastic figures have nice detailing and their faces have some character (which is a bit of an issue for me with Perry).''
So its not just me then? I've been tempted by several of the Perry ranges but I play skirmish and find that they lack a bit of character for that Scale (they look fantastic ranked up though).
I think most of the Perry plastics are superb, but the French Napoleonic infantry are rather 'meh' - they seem to have moved more and more to somewhat characterless faces. What I'd like is something between their old Foundry sculpts and the most recent Perry figures. There just seemed more to get hold of with the older figures. And some of their metal horses are atrocious - and don't get me started on casting quality....
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I have to admit older Perry sculpts had more character. In the move to more realistic body proportions they have also soften the detail in the faces.
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Very nice build indeed.
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Excuse me for the thread-o-mancy, but it seems that we might be seeing some addition to these figures: a Warlord newsletter sent earlier this week had a teaser picture of what looks like multi-part Landsknechts with arquebusses and halberds.
However, it is not clear whether this may indicate another fully plastic Landsknecht set, or new metal arms to go with the existing plastic sprues, or something else.
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I saw that on the wargames terrain blog and wondered the same-who knows with warlord but I think Steel fist will be getting my money this time.
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Excuse me for the thread-o-mancy, but it seems that we might be seeing some addition to these figures: a Warlord newsletter sent earlier this week had a teaser picture of what looks like multi-part Landsknechts with arquebusses and halberds.
However, it is not clear whether this may indicate another fully plastic Landsknecht set, or new metal arms to go with the existing plastic sprues, or something else.
You were right see enclosed from warlords news letter
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Gawd! I think I will probably buy that box and never paint the contents :'( :'( :'(
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no new bodys and no new heads....?
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no new bodys and no new heads....?
I'm afraid that's quite likely, given Warlord's greedy attitude towards the making of their plastic sets...
Great figures, though. I love the sculpts I've seen posted on this thread. The only problem is the scarcity of content in the sprues compared to Victrix or Perry.
I saw that on the wargames terrain blog and wondered the same-who knows with warlord but I think Steel fist will be getting my money this time.
Me too. I think we ought to speak with our wallets this time and let Warlord know that, unless they stop with this nonsense of making crappy box sets, we will not buy their plastic products.
That's just my thoughts anyway. I'd like to hear what other people think as well.
Cheers!
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It would seem a wasted opportunity not to add a few new heads and bodies. From what understand not all sculpts were used in the original pike release.
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Some more information on the new Warlord Plastic sets. This was originally posted on TMP by twodegree.
The prices are quite low. The RRP in Germany is only €98.00 (about £85) for 150 figures. There are 144 plastic and 6 metal figures plus the gun.
https://www.fantasywelt.de/Pike-Shotte-Landsknecht-Starter-Army (https://www.fantasywelt.de/Pike-Shotte-Landsknecht-Starter-Army)
The RRP in Germany for the plastic missile troops is only €20.70 for 30 figures.
https://www.fantasywelt.de/Pike-Shotte-Landsknecht-Missle-Troops (https://www.fantasywelt.de/Pike-Shotte-Landsknecht-Missle-Troops)
The RRP in Germany for the plastic Zweihander & Halberd troops is only €18.40 for 24 figures.
https://www.fantasywelt.de/Pike-Shotte-Landsknecht-with-Zweihanders (https://www.fantasywelt.de/Pike-Shotte-Landsknecht-with-Zweihanders)
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I would recommend saving final judgement until Warlord releases actual sprue pictures - after that it is easier to evaluate how much content there is on the new sprues (and whether they contain new heads/bodies).
Considering that there will be two new boxed sets (halberd/zweihander and arquebuss/crossbow) released, suggests that there must have been two new sprues tooled - though they may have re-used parts of the earlier pikeman sprue with them.
That Warlord opts to release such sets suggests to me that the initial pikeman set must have sold rather well in the first months after its release last summer.
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The new landsknecht boxed sets (missile troops and zweihanders) are now listed on Warlord website with lots of pictures, though unfortunately no sprue shots:
https://store.warlordgames.com/collections/landsknecht/products/landsknecht-missile-troops
https://store.warlordgames.com/collections/landsknecht/products/landsknechts-with-zweihanders
Apparently the missile troops are all plastic, while the zweihanders are apparently plastic with metal arms.
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There are 3 new heads on the missile box and one new body ? Think the arms could work smothly with the perrys for around 1500.
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They look..... awkward?
If some of the sprues are available separately I might pick a couple up for conversion purposes, but I can't say I'm overwhelmed by the whole product.
Mind, I don't think the flat paintjob is doing them many favours either...
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They look..... awkward?
Distinctly.
If these had ever made it as a single set, as originally conceived, I think they would have been great.
Unfortunately Warlord have screwed around with them to try to wring several sets out of one set of figures, and the result is... meh.
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They look..... awkward?
If some of the sprues are available separately I might pick a couple up for conversion purposes, but I can't say I'm overwhelmed by the whole product.
Mind, I don't think the flat paintjob is doing them many favours either...
Flat paintjob? I didn’t think I did a bad job considering I had to do 2 complete boxsets in 2 1/2 weeks but to be fair the pics are a bit meh, I assure you they are better in the flesh
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Their arms look very long. I think it MAY be the puffy sleeves either making them look too big, Or the arms have been glued too low down and the puffy shoulders should stand higher?
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They strike me as good enough.
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Don’t know...maybe I was looking forward to this set for too long, but I also am a bit disappointed. The same pose for zweihänder, pikemen, crossbows and arquebusiers seems odd.
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Considering that these have now been out for a couple of weeks, has anybody encountered any high resolution pictures of the two new sprues? I have only encountered a few low resolution versions.
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Considering that these have now been out for a couple of weeks, has anybody encountered any high resolution pictures of the two new sprues? I have only encountered a few low resolution versions.
I'd not hold your breath. I'm noticing nobody seems to care much for warlord products recently.
You try finding reviews on the plastic 38t or Hetzer...or any warlord releases the last 5 months
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I hate mixing plastic and metal components - makes it difficult to get a good adhesive. Prefer the one material or the other.
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Distinctly.
If these had ever made it as a single set, as originally conceived, I think they would have been great.
Unfortunately Warlord have screwed around with them to try to wring several sets out of one set of figures, and the result is... meh.
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But you, Richard, as Master of Plastic could bring them back to the pre-warlord quality.
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They look..... awkward?
The crossbows look okay, but the arquebus guys look very dodgy. There's no sense of weight. As everyone else has stated, it's the problem with trying to get too much out of one set of bodies perhaps, with 'action figure' type arms jutting out from the torso to hold a variety of weapon options. It's almost like the limbs and torsos are sculpted as though they're filling the bulky clothes completely, instead of the material rumpling up and bunching, with arms attached normally and holding items in a natural fashion to support their weight. Someone carrying a heavy object pulls it close to their body, to help support the balance, they don't hold it with straight limbs and a pose like the material is itching their armpits. A much more difficult prospect for a sculptor no doubt, and perhaps their remit to reuse the bodies made it impossible to achieve, but it's something the best sets can provide.
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Warlord have never been the best, but look at their original ecw plastics. They were innovative and affordable.
Now all you get from them is reboxed second rate plastics from other companies they have bought out with the prices hiked up.
I mean they literally have the balls to now sell us reboxed wargames factory tat at a higher price than the perry's charge for plastics!
Warold have seriously lost their way, which is a shame as I met their team and gamed with them several times at stallard hq and they are a great bunch.
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I hate mixing plastic and metal components - makes it difficult to get a good adhesive. Prefer the one material or the other.
In the end, it seems that the only time you would need to do that with these kits if you want to build halberdiers from the zweihanders boxed set. Curiously enough, the arms for the two-handed swords have been done in plastic, while the halberd arms at the same box are in metal.
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Warlord have never been the best, but look at their original ecw plastics. They were innovative and affordable.
Now all you get from them is reboxed second rate plastics from other companies they have bought out with the prices hiked up.
I mean they literally have the balls to now sell us reboxed wargames factory tat at a higher price than the perry's charge for plastics!
I also liked their very early Celtic sets, and the Imperial Romans, while a bit static were the first affordable plastics for antiquity that came to my mind. The most recent set, however, have become a bit dull...too much recycling of poses imo. Other companies like the Perrys certainly have moved way beyond that.
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I'm just a bystander - I'm not in the market for Landsknechts, plastic or otherwise. But, reading some of the comments, it seems to me that from very promising beginnings this set has turned out to be something of a disappointment. Perhaps the initial expectations were unrealistic, but Warlord should look into why people are reacting negatively and try to do something about it.
Personally, I've never bought any of Warlord's all-plastic sets. I have bought both their Imperial Harquebusiers and their Imperial Cuirassiers, which are metal riders on plastic horses. I'm afraid that I threw the horses away. They just didn't look much like horses to me. I ended up throwing away the cuirassier riders too - I just didn't think they compared with other cuirassiers on the market. I'm in the process of re-mounting the harquebusier riders, and with head swaps I think they'll look quite interesting. That doesn't make them very good value, though, and, were I Warlord, I'd be a bit concerned that someone ends up throwing all of one box and 3/4 of another in the bin.
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...it seems to me that from very promising beginnings this set has turned out to be something of a disappointment. Perhaps the initial expectations were unrealistic, but Warlord should look into why people are reacting negatively and try to do something about it.
I agree. My objections relate to the numerous errors in the armor and clothing styles. Maybe Warlord should have spent more time researching. The figures seem more "GW-ish" than historical. I did, however, purchase a box. I'm sure I'll be able to get many useful figures out fo the set, if not a load of bits for conversions.
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The figures seem more "GW-ish" than historical.
I heard that criticism before they fell into Warlord's hands.
We don't know how the set would have turned out had the original sculptor carried on the project. Aside from any issues of historical accuracy there may be, a number of compromises may have been made to get this product to market as the original expectations for tooling and casting may have been unrealistic And, sadly, not everyone is Michael, Alan or whoever sculpts for Victrix. :D
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I agree. My objections relate to the numerous errors in the armor and clothing styles. Maybe Warlord should have spent more time researching. The figures seem more "GW-ish" than historical. I did, however, purchase a box. I'm sure I'll be able to get many useful figures out fo the set, if not a load of bits for conversions.
IIRC, the Pro-Gloria designer for this set is responsible for the current Empire plastics. Among Warhammer players, compared to the previous Perry sculpted plastics, the quality of these are very uneven, especially the simian features of some of the heads. lol
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I'd not hold your breath. I'm noticing nobody seems to care much for warlord products recently.
You try finding reviews on the plastic 38t or Hetzer...or any warlord releases the last 5 months
An interesting point. I tried finding reviews for some of the antares vehicles and their successor elephant. I couldn't find any. and they're still trying to get rid of all their terminator stock....
It's very odd.
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To bad they arent selling individual sprues. Id like one of each to make a Mordheim warband.
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To bad they arent selling individual sprues. Id like one of each to make a Mordheim warband.
You have a pm
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You have a pm
God sport, that man! ;)