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Miniatures Adventure => Fantasy Adventures => Topic started by: General Lee on September 14, 2013, 06:32:38 PM
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A personal dream come true for me. This is what got me into the hobby at the start of the 1990s:
- Spanish company GameZone will create a new heroquest 25th aniversary edition.
- They have distribution rights to Spain but not to other countries, but they will release the game in multiple languages and there are plenty of spanish online shops with worldwide shipment.
- They may use a crowdfunding campaign but it's not confirmed.
- There will be initially four heroes in male and female versions.
- Furniture and tokens will be all in 3D (resin) instead of cardboard.
- The board will be reversible (two in one).
- There won't be fimirs, but there will be equivalent reptilian creatures.
- It won't be overly expensive (in line with Descent V2).
http://www.heroquest.es/index.php?topic=8728.60
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I'd consider it for the furniture alone.
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This is good news, I have never had a chance to play Heroquest. I am interested, In your opinion, makes Heroquest stand out? Why should I choose Heroquest over say, Decent, Castle Ravenloft, Mageknight, or any other adventure or quest game?
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This is good news, I have never had a chance to play Heroquest. I am interested, In your opinion, makes Heroquest stand out? Why should I choose Heroquest over say, Decent, Castle Ravenloft, Mageknight, or any other adventure or quest game?
the atmosphere, the fluff. The story was just great and had depth imo, even though the game was aimed at 12 year olds. the game mechanics (looking back) were a bit simple so I do wonder if they are going to change a lot. But yeah, it was definitely the atmosphere for me. It still has a sense of drama and foreboding that Descent and other adventure games never could replicate. I hope this new version will have that as well
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I'd consider it for the furniture alone.
That's what I'll be looking at.
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the atmosphere, the fluff. The story was just great and had depth imo, even though the game was aimed at 12 year olds. the game mechanics (looking back) were a bit simple so I do wonder if they are going to change a lot. But yeah, it was definitely the atmosphere for me. It still has a sense of drama and foreboding that Descent and other adventure games never could replicate. I hope this new version will have that as well
Thats why we had Advanced Heroquest. lol
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Cool. Looking forward to this. Any idea when?
I think I'll be disappointed though
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Cool!
I will definately keep my eye on this.
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Cool. Looking forward to this. Any idea when?
I think I'll be disappointed though
The KS project is going to be the 25 aniversary edition,but later,in 2015,are going to launch the standard edition.
The price is going to be around 80€,with eight miniatures and furniture.The material is going to be resin.
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IT sound good, My only concern is will it live upto todays standards and not dispel illusions of our childhood
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In your opinion, [what] makes Heroquest stand out?
Here's my take on the strengths of the original HQ...
Story: To echo General Lee, I also think the story was one of the highlights of HQ. It may not have been the most original, but it did have a couple of twists, and overall, provided a solid narrative. The game actually had introductory text that established the world, described the relevant history, and defined the (obvious) threat to the Empire. Your characters weren't just a random band of adventurers - they were heroes that served the Empire and the game's missions are set in that context. The result is a narrative that progresses smoothly and gives a sense of the wider world. The writing was also decent, even if it did rely on the rather contrived use of an omniscient narrator. On the downside, the main storyline was never finished - the campaign was left open for future expansions, but the game did not last long enough for the story to conclude!
Simple, Quick, Easy: The game included a variety of actions, which were all handled by very simple mechanics. That meant the game was very easy to pick up and play. I'd also say it felt less abstracted. The game was also fairly easy for the heroes. The GM played more of a storyteller than competitor role, and did not have a renewable resource to generate new threats. That meant common sense (sticking together and exploring cautiously) was often the best strategy for the heroes!
RPG-Lite: Combine the elements above, and you get to the core of what I like about HQ. More so than later dungeon crawls like Descent, HQ is a board game that plays like an RPG. For me, the game is more about enjoying an interactive, shared story and less about outwitting the other players or overcoming deeply strategic challenges.
Others: As a simple game, HQ is a reasonable introductory game for non-gamers and kids. The simplicity also meant many people designed custom material for the game. And, of course, for those who played HQ back in the day, it also has nostalgia value.
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this is awesome news..hope they do the men at arms as they were so cool
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The KS project is going to be the 25 aniversary edition,but later,in 2015,are going to launch the standard edition.
The price is going to be around 80€,with eight miniatures and furniture.The material is going to be resin.
So it will be kickstarter as opposed to indiegogo or something else. I thought that as they are only allowed to release it in Spain, even though you can purchase it outside of Spain that they MIT not be able to use that platform for the project. Then again I guess technically they aren't selling on kickstarter just getting funds and rewarding you for helping fund it. This may do even better than reaper bones IMHO.
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General Lee, Rhudderch, thank you for that.
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edit: on second thought, no comment on this one
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I would be very interestd in this. I still like Heroquest and bought a set on Ebay about 3 years ago.
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So it will be kickstarter as opposed to indiegogo or something else. I thought that as they are only allowed to release it in Spain, even though you can purchase it outside of Spain that they MIT not be able to use that platform for the project. Then again I guess technically they aren't selling on kickstarter just getting funds and rewarding you for helping fund it. This may do even better than reaper bones IMHO.
yes you are right they are going to use KS to rise funds to produce the 25 aniversary edition ,and later are going to produce the normal edition,but for the special edition is only going to be posible to get it in KS.
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This is so great. I am in completely. :o
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As an uncle with a 5 year old nephew, I would be extremely interested in a new Hero Quest.
With regards to what made Hero Quest great:
1) When it was released, decent plastic miniatures were few and far between and it was a huge deal to get some awesome monsters in a box. Most games were still using crappy tokens etc.
2) Modular board...meaning you could run a lot of adventures on the relatively simple board.
3) The game master screen which was nice and attractive, and an awesome commercial in the way only the late 80's, early 90's could do them.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egWNXgQuvWw
For a kid who was saddled with playing Yahtzee, Clue, and Parcheesi it was a pretty big deal. It was an introductory game to proper gaming (despite being very simple). By today's standards it is nothing special. But I know that this, and a TMNT role-playing book were the start of my lengthy gaming career. It was a very simplistic dungeon crawl in a box, at the height of my childhood (when my imagination was the most thirsty).
It was wildly outclassed by later versions, such as Advanced Hero Quest and then the fantastic Warhammer Quest. It is definitely a great game. I'd love to have a copy (hoping the minis and furniture are good) and it's something I can play with my nephew when he is a few years older.
It's really just a great piece of my childhood.
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I think it was great for it's time and for me it was the introduction to citadel miniatures.
This being said, it was a kids game and nowadays we're spoiled for great boardgames with lots of miniatures, so I'm not sure how we'll feel about it once the rose tinted glasses stop doing their thing.
Also, unless I'm mistaken it would seem there won't be loads of plastic minis in the box?
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Great news and like many this was my introduction to war gaming
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So... will it be in Spanish only?
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So... will it be in Spanish only?
I believe the idea is translating it to other languages, but the whole project still needs to be developed.
I need to take my old Heroquest back! I sadly believe I have all the minis and pieces scattered all over the place :(.
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I'm cautiously optimistic about this. At the very least it'll be something for my young lads to cut their gaming teeth on without cracking out my ancient copy of Heroquest. Cool news though.
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I've been slowly painting my old hq stuff. What I'm thinking though from reading a translated version of the Spanish forum is that it could perhaps be heroquest only in name with similar model types, put into today's standards, with vaguely similar rules if similar at all. I'm not holding out a huge amount of hope for it to bring back the old feeling of hq. I guess I just don't want to get my hopes up.
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Hi all,
Speaking of HQ, I've recently stumbled upon a rules revision of the whole saga (HQ, AHQ & WHQ) called Extreme HeroQuest: Link (http://www.extremeheroquest.com/mwiki/index.php?title=P%C3%A1gina_principal)
There is a beta only in Spanish at the moment, but it seems there are plans to translate the game once is finished.
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Had a look at that Spanish Heroquest forum the other day and it seems that the basic box is 4 heroes in male and female versions, plus lots of resin furniture, including the original heroquest furniture and various new things, extra bookcases and so on. Plus a double sided board. Dont know whether the monsters will be sold separately or not. The announcement mentions that all the creatures come with separate poses, which seems to imply that you get all the monsters in the box (except fimir for some reason) but i have not seen any conformation of it. Maybe someone here knows...
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Had a look at that Spanish Heroquest forum the other day and it seems that the basic box is 4 heroes in male and female versions, plus lots of resin furniture, including the original heroquest furniture and various new things, extra bookcases and so on. Plus a double sided board. Dont know whether the monsters will be sold separately or not. The announcement mentions that all the creatures come with separate poses, which seems to imply that you get all the monsters in the box (except fimir for some reason) but i have not seen any conformation of it. Maybe someone here knows...
Hi everything you said it s true,from Gamezone they anounce that in october they are going to upload the oficial Heroquest web page,and they say are open to all kind of ideas,coments...
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yes intersting, perhaps somebody could post the KS link here when it starts?
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yes intersting, perhaps somebody could post the KS link here when it starts?
Sure i will. :)
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Not if I do it first! ;)
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Sure i will. :)
Thanks
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Not if I do it first! ;)
Of course,the rest of us have a real life :D lol ;)
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Hey... no, fair call lol
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I need one Heroquest 25th aniversary! And I live in Spain! :D
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I'd bee keen for a bit of HQ loving keep me in the loop for the English version please my kids will love it...
LGW
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IT sound good, My only concern is will it live upto todays standards and not dispel illusions of our childhood
True ...
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I'd consider it for the furniture alone.
True, I still like the furniture that came with the old one. And I like GameZone (although GameZone riders are a pain in the *** to assemble), so i trust them to deliver something mindblowing.
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I've never bought anything from game zone. Too expensive, but have always liked their stuff.
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I only have lead miniatures by GameZone. Has anyone had any experience with their new resin yet?
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I only have lead miniatures by GameZone. Has anyone had any experience with their new resin yet?
I have their dark elf spearmen. they are great!
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(http://imageshack.us/a/img716/3530/apc8.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/716/apc8.jpg/)
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Why the picture of the dark elf spearmen? I'm getting a bit sceptical about this. :?
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Why the picture of the dark elf spearmen? I'm getting a bit sceptical about this. :?
yeah sorry they have nothing to do with it. it's one picture and I was too lazy to cut it up :D
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Why the picture of the dark elf spearmen? I'm getting a bit sceptical about this. :?
I think he copy and pasted the three pictures that appear in the gamezone web,the dark elves has no relatin with the Heroquest project.
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Ah OK then, I feared those would be the new chaos warriors.
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Well that's a bit of a relief. :)
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So, should I start to pin my vast dreams of avarice on my pile o' fimir some people might wish to swap into the game? lol
Doug
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The new web page is ready,suscribe for the newsletter.
http://www.heroquestclassic.com/
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Subscribed
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Yep, signed in. Heck I'm interested even if I just get the set as a big combination of miniatures and furniture/baddies. I plan on doing my own dungeon crawl at some point, so I'd be fine dropping a chunk o' change on getting most of my needs in one place (I have the dungeon already).
Here's hoping this thing takes off and happens.
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Not sure if I will back this since i already bought too much stuff this year, but i will watch it with interest and will pass on any info if i see it.
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If you signed up they sent out a survey, which didn't work.... Then they sent out a new one which did. All it asked for was, if I remember correctly, your name and your country and if you have played HQ before. Still it's movement.
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I did the survey hoping we see more movement in the coming weeks...
Fingers crossed?
LGW
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Here's my take on the strengths of the original HQ...
Story: To echo General Lee, I also think the story was one of the highlights of HQ. It may not have been the most original, but it did have a couple of twists, and overall, provided a solid narrative. The game actually had introductory text that established the world, described the relevant history, and defined the (obvious) threat to the Empire. Your characters weren't just a random band of adventurers - they were heroes that served the Empire and the game's missions are set in that context. The result is a narrative that progresses smoothly and gives a sense of the wider world. The writing was also decent, even if it did rely on the rather contrived use of an omniscient narrator. On the downside, the main storyline was never finished - the campaign was left open for future expansions, but the game did not last long enough for the story to conclude!
Simple, Quick, Easy: The game included a variety of actions, which were all handled by very simple mechanics. That meant the game was very easy to pick up and play. I'd also say it felt less abstracted. The game was also fairly easy for the heroes. The GM played more of a storyteller than competitor role, and did not have a renewable resource to generate new threats. That meant common sense (sticking together and exploring cautiously) was often the best strategy for the heroes!
RPG-Lite: Combine the elements above, and you get to the core of what I like about HQ. More so than later dungeon crawls like Descent, HQ is a board game that plays like an RPG. For me, the game is more about enjoying an interactive, shared story and less about outwitting the other players or overcoming deeply strategic challenges.
Others: As a simple game, HQ is a reasonable introductory game for non-gamers and kids. The simplicity also meant many people designed custom material for the game. And, of course, for those who played HQ back in the day, it also has nostalgia value.
Good Post.... ;)
Descent isn't a Dungeon Crawl game, for me is only a sort of skirmish game....
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I did the survey hoping we see more movement in the coming weeks...
Fingers crossed?
LGW
Was the survey just the two questions? I was a little confused by the email I received.
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yeah just those two questions where you lived and if you had played it before..
was hoping for more..but maybe there is more to come...
LGW
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Played Heroquest last week with some mates (the US version)...and honestly: found it quite boring. Let's say the experience wasn't the same as 20 years ago :D. The gameplay is just too basic, especially compared to what we're used to nowadays. I hope I'll be playing it with my son in several years, but until then it stays in the cupboard :)
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Played Heroquest last week with some mates (the US version)...and honestly: found it quite boring. Let's say the experience wasn't the same as 20 years ago :D. The gameplay is just too basic, especially compared to what we're used to nowadays. I hope I'll be playing it with my son in several years, but until then it stays in the cupboard :)
Ahhhhhaha :D :D :D :D it's to much true....
I think the nostalgia effect is the primary component, to make Heroquest one of the best memories for those who play RPG or fantasy miniatures games ....
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I don't think anyone is arguing the merits of the game nowdays for modern, adult gamers. What we're acknowledging is it introduced a lot of 30-somethings (now) to simple dungeon crawling when we were kids. If a new Hero Quest comes out, and I can play it in a few years with my two nephews and perhaps my niece...that'd be fantastic. Board games used to be quite fantastic (Volcano Island!)...they've lost a lot of charm lately.
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Played Heroquest last week with some mates (the US version)...and honestly: found it quite boring. Let's say the experience wasn't the same as 20 years ago :D. The gameplay is just too basic, especially compared to what we're used to nowadays. I hope I'll be playing it with my son in several years, but until then it stays in the cupboard :)
That's what I'm planning on doing. My son turns five tomorrow. Must go and check the recommended age on the box and then ignore it and let him play anyway. lol
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I want it for my kids. Son is 5 and daughter is 7. They both should be able to play the game.
LGW
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Kickstarter due next Friday. 22nd november
http://www.heroquestclassic.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Mentor´s-first-letter2.jpg
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z0mg so many typos... Wild punctuation errors, random capital letters after commas,... I hope this gets checked before it goes live :'(
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z0mg so many typos... Wild punctuation errors, random capital letters after commas,... I hope this gets checked before it goes live :'(
Do you speak about German version?
Even the Italian traslation is quite grim...
But the material content and images seen so far make me hopeful ....
especially the furniture in resin.
I can not wait to see starting crowd funding for this beautiful project.
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I was commenting on this:
http://www.heroquestclassic.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Mentor´s-first-letter2.jpg
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I was commenting on this:
http://www.heroquestclassic.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Mentor´s-first-letter2.jpg
ummm welll :o yeah it was :o lol
LGW
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Here's a link to what is in huge box.
http://www.heroquestclassic.com/inside-the-box/
But I'll copy it here too.
HEROQUEST 25th ANIVERSARY
Box contents
-1 BOARD – ALFA Model
Reversible, with two usable sides, Side A the classic dungeons. Side B exterior ruins and places
- 1 MENTOR SCREEN
With Fundamental rules inside the hollows of the scenery, just as if they where reliefs in stone.
-8 DICE
Two movement dice and 6 combat dice (25th Model)
- RULES BOOKLET
- BOOK I of ADVENTURES
- ADVENTURER CARDS
Barbarian, dwarf, mage, female wizard, huntress, elf, dwarf, female dwarf, and female elf
-86 CARDS
10 Artifacts
30 Treasures
16 Equipment
6 Ignis Spells
6 Aqua Spells
6 Aer Spells
6 Terra Spells
6 Chaos Spells
-46 PLASTIC RESIN FIGURES
(8 HEROES)
1 barbarian
1 dwarf
1 mage
1 elf
1 huntress
1 female dwarf
1 wizard
1 female elf
(38 MONSTERS)
2 mummies
4 zombies
4 skeleton warriors
6 goblins
8 orcs
4 chaos warriors
3 drrakks
1 petrified gargoyle
1 gargoyle
1 chaos witch
1 wraith
1 ogre
1 black orc
1 viscosity of the abyss
-48 Resin SCENE ELEMENTS
18 open doors
4 treasure chests
4 closed doors
1 Throne
3 wardrobes
1 armory
1 torture Rack
1 chimney
1 sarcophagus
1 well
1 pendulum of death
8 treasure chest inserts
1 dimensional portal
-35 Resin MARKERS
I'm getting very excited!!!!!
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With that much resin we can expect to be dishing out a fair bit of $$$ on this....
its not going to be cheap... will also be curious as to what the stretch goals will be like..
Is the list of monsters the same as what was in the Original box? eg are there any missing monsters or heroes?
if there is any missing then I can bet they will be part of the Stretch goals..
LGW
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I'm expecting stretch goals to be addons like the expansion pack, return of the witch lord, against the ogre horde etc. maybe they may do spin cast restic for the miniatures?
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z0mg so many typos...
http://www.heroquestclassic.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/11/Mentor´s-first-letter2.jpg
Yeah, that was an interesting approach for an introduction but almost painful in its execution. I consider the original game's story and writing to be one of its strong points, so the writing here is disappointing. GameZone needs to step up its game; bonus props if they can simulate Mentor's writing style from the original.
The actual thematic content of the "letter" is clever. It ties the real-life 25 year gap between games to the passage of time in the game world. That could just be a fun flavor text introduction, but I'm hoping it means the new game will not only re-tell the original story, but also continue it. Of course, if that's the case, GameZone may need to recheck its history (or at least, fill in the blanks).
While "dreadful enemy" could refer to the Witch Lord, Zargon (Morcar in some versions) is the more likely candidate since he was the main Big Bad in the game. However, HeroQuest never got around to a final confrontation with Zargon, and he was never defeated. I suppose we can make allowances for creative license though, especially since Mentor probably doesn't want to demoralize his new heroes! =P
Is the list of monsters the same...
The list does not include the 3 Fimirs, which are copyright Games Workshop. It looks like these have been replaced with 3 Drrakks. In addition, the list has a Chaos Witch instead of Warlock. Otherwise, the list contains all of the figures (both heroes and monsters) from the original base game with a few additions: female heroes, ogre, black orc, petrified gargoyle, wraith, 2 extra zombies, and the viscosity.
The list does not include the figures needed for the original expansions. Kellar's Keep and Return of the Witch Lord had additional copies of the monsters from the original game. Against the Ogre Horde, Wizards of Morcar, and the two "quest packs" added new figures to the game, and most of those are not in the GameZone list. We could see those as add-ons, but time will tell.
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I do hope they stick to proper resin...I'm almost doubtful.
I think we're looking at $90-120 boxed game here.
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So will the female Dwarf have a beard?
Interested in this a lot for my children. ::)
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Cover WIP.
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-r5do__OrBvE/Uo02KXEEpRI/AAAAAAAA3X0/ObkiVqFnNdc/s640/1000361_663210653713101_631584441_n.jpg)
I hope the miniatures will not have the slightly cartoonish feeling.
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Mmmmmm. Im not sure. It's the style of our time I guess.
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While I'm also not a huge fan of the cartoony style...if I look at it as something intended for 10-12 year olds it makes more sense. I'm still waiting anxiously - kickstarter begins in 2 days. Hope to see what all is planned.
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Bad guys in the background look cool!
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It's HQ 4e. :D
I am intrigued though.
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I'm REALLY looking forward to this! As long as they don't trample all over everyone's memories of Heroquest and totally change it! Fingers crossed!....in fact eyes, legs and ears crossed as well!!
This may be the first Kickstarter I try!!
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From the officila FAQ (http://www.heroquestclassic.com/faq-es/ (http://www.heroquestclassic.com/faq-es/)):
- Classic game board plus modular sections.
- 15 new optional heroes in Kickstarter!!!
- Bad guys will be Morcar and Zargon, each one with its own miniature.
- Prices:
$89 Basic box set.
$110 basic box set plus 15 new heroes with their game cards.
$150 basic box set plus 15 new heroes with their game cards plus all the strech-goals (including Morcar and Zargon).
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I like the sound of Morcar and Zargon
and no earlybird so I won't be disappointed when I wake up tomorrow morning! Phew
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It feels like Xmas eve as a kiddy again. lol
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It feels like Xmas eve as a kiddy again. lol
It certainly does! HeroQuest as with many was my way into the hobby and I have that nostalgic love for it. I hope they do it justice.
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Cover WIP.
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-r5do__OrBvE/Uo02KXEEpRI/AAAAAAAA3X0/ObkiVqFnNdc/s640/1000361_663210653713101_631584441_n.jpg)
I hope the miniatures will not have the slightly cartoonish feeling.
I really like this cover. Dark and gritty. Also hope that the miniatures will be less cartoonish, which should be okay if I'm looking through the Gamezone miniatures.
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So, when is the KS actually starting? Nov 22 has almost finished for most people, and I cannot find the project live yet...
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Apparently, what I've heard second, maybe third hand is that kickstarter is still authorising them. What a pain. Worst Xmas ever lol
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Beefcake is right.
Gamezone's fellas are waiting for green light to launch their project which, as far as I know, depends on the minds behind kickstarter.
I'd bet for monday.
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Monday at the earliest.
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Have to say I like the look of the Barbarian, could use a mini like him :)
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and no earlybird so I won't be disappointed when I wake up tomorrow morning! Phew
I think I jinxed things saying this. ;)
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Why no halfling character????
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They are due to have 15 extra characters, you mighty get lucky there hubbynz. I hope there is a halfling too.
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The kickstarter is online :)
http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/2113976860/heroquest-25th-anniversary?ref=live
Not sure why it is in Canadedian dollars though... o_o
A bit more information and better pictures of the models/artwork also would not be amiss... ::)
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I'm confused about working out shipping. The shipping calculator on their site is in euros but the KS is in Canadian dollar. How are we to work out the correct amount to add?
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I'm definitely in...IF...someone can give me concrete shipping costs to the US. I'm not seeing it. I do like the overall scheme though.
Ooof...just went to their calculator...36 euros ($48) to ship a box from Spain to the US? I take it back, I probably won't pledge. I'll wait and watch the perks and unlocks, but that'll put it up around $200 for a box of Hero Quest. Unless we see dozens of bad guys added etc., I think I'll have to pass and pick up a normal box later in the future from a US distributor. They apparently sell all of their product through CMON here in the US. They really need to bulk ship that stuff here and let them ship it to us or something.
:'(
(here's hoping this becomes an amazing Kickstarter and somehow becomes worth $200!)
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for me its closer to $255.10NZD for a board game. I paid the same amount for Zombicide season 2 and got a stand alone game, expansion, and bucket load of other stuff, same went with the Incursion game...
I am pledged for $1 and will watch and see if I can find some spare cash it is xmas after all and it may be a mission and a half to find some spare $$..
LGW
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I've pledged. Looks pricey for New Zealand. Still it will be money well spent. No more miniatures or kickstarters for a long time I think.
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Hi Folks,
About shipping costs, you have to follow the link to Gamezone homepage (you can change the language in the top right options).
They want to use their online shop shipping calculation, so you'd have to register to specify your country (Spain is the deffault country for guests). Then add to the cart any of the three pledges options and check-out (just to see the total, pay through Kickstarter because I guess direct onlines purchases do not count in order to get new strech goals).
Hope it helps.
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Yeah, pretty dumb you have to enter your entire information and register your email (or at least make it all up) via their online store just to check shipping info.
FYI, it's €36.30 to ship the $158CAD level to the US and €26.16 to ship the $94CAD level to the US.
Not cheap, but considering how heavy the box will probably be and that it includes tracking and confirmation it isn't terrible. Not sure I'll go into it, i had planned on it but that puts it just under $200USD for the game+extras just 2 days after Christmas. $124USD for the base game is a lot easier to swallow, except it gets you none of the stretch goals :( I was really excited for this (still am, truthfully) but with holidays + all the other kickstarters recently plus general life expenses I just don't think I'm going to be able to wing it. We'll see how things shake up, better pictures of the components might just push my nostalgia over my common sense. Actually, that's not a difficult bar to surpass
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Complying about how expensive shipping is ? Well, now you know why how it feels to support US kickstarters while living in Europe: deadly expensive fees !!
For once, I found the shipping pretty low :D Guess everything is a question of perspective (even if, generally speaking, shipping fees are getting SO huge lately, they're killing small markets like our hobby is :/ )
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I'm not complaining...the shipping price is what it is. I do not think it's a requirement for the company to find ways around this, I just think it'd be a good business practice. Shipping within the US is relatively affordable. Shipping ANYTHING internationally from the US is obnoxiously expensive. Borderline criminal.
As I said, a shame. It'd be a pretty smart move for companies like this to find a distributor in other countries, especially large markets (I'd imagine the US is a large portion of the market for Hero Quest). I'll keep a keen eye on this. I'm still tempted to partake...just have to see what the expensions are. If we end up with say, triple the monsters, I'd think the $200 more appropriate.
For $260 with the Robotech Kickstarter I got a shockingly ridiculous amount of miniatures, so I think I've set the bar pretty high for my expectations of a Kickstarter programme.
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Anyone see where they specify what size range the minis and scenic elements will be?
They look like heroic 28 but would be good to know for sure... :)
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Complying about how expensive shipping is ? Well, now you know why how it feels to support US kickstarters while living in Europe: deadly expensive fees !!
+1 to this!
Regarding distributors in other countries I wouldn't be surprised if it's not possible. As far as I remember they got the rights to re-publish the game in Spain, maybe this keeps the distribution abroad under certain restrictions.
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Starting off, I love the concept, and the designs look solid.
Kind of a confusing set-up in comparisons to other KSs I've liked. 115CAD get you the boxed set and heroes set, 158 CAD gets you the boxed set, heroes set and rewards. So the "rewards" are a 43CAD un-named bundle and not really fitting the description "All these stretch goals rewards will be given as FREE ADD-ONS." Like Elbows, I would gauge by KSs like Robotech and think they had a pretty good tier setup for where you need to be for the "freebies" above a single box set, purchase the box set plus a ~50% "upgrade" set. Granted the price point was about the same. But I didn't feel like I was paying more solely for "rewards". In the end the semantics don't really matter though.
Are their gong to be pledge boosters and other reward levels?
Anyone know what the MSRP is going to be for the main box set?
Lastly, I think the issue of scale is going to be the make or break for me.
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I'd hope the miniatures would scale fine with typical fantasy 28/32, like the metal miniature Gamezone has produced. I'd like to see some actual miniatures, but I expect that's not going to happen in the time-frame, but the plastic-resin can be very troublesome with mold-line removal.
I'm confused about the board. why the decision for a 2 sided board instead of modular pieces? Seems like the replay value would be much higher with modular tiles. I didn't notice much info about the board on the site.
So while $150 sounds great for the amount of minis & the variety, the near $50 shipping and factoring in likely wanting to buy a modular dungeon tile system from somewhere else, this starts to add up to a big price commitment. I don't know.
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Complying about how expensive shipping is ? Well, now you know why how it feels to support US kickstarters while living in Europe: deadly expensive fees !!
+1 to this!
Hope those weren't directed at me or else you need to reread my post. I was complaining about having to register and enter all my info just to find out shipping cost, not the cost itself (and reposting that info so others didn't have to jump through those hoops). The overall cost+shipping unfortunately puts this KS out of my pricerange, but I'm not gonna sit here and rant about it being unfair or ridiculous like so many people do. Again, €36 isn't cheap, but it's certainly reasonable for what your getting.
Still gonna keep an eye on it and my checkbook, I may yet break down and go in on it.
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Anyone see where they specify what size range the minis and scenic elements will be?
They look like heroic 28 but would be good to know for sure... :)
28/30mm size
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Regarding post-KS distribution, I found this in the FAQ:
Will I be able to buy this game next year ot my local store?
Store distribution outside Spain is still license pending (could concern retailers, not customers).
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Hope those weren't directed at me
My comment wasn't specific at you, so my excuses if you felt offended somehow.
My comment was aimed to confirm the ironic feeling when I see people based in countries with big volume of hobby retailers (enjoying cheap posting) complaining about how expensive is shipping, for once, which is our usual pain.
When you are based in a country with a small volume of hobby for every $50 spend $25 go to the postal service pocket, and every penny not spent in lead is a nail in my nerd heart :'(
Back to the topic, the comment Arthadan found on their FAQ would explain why isn't a retailers level like in other KSs
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Regarding my scale question, the official response I got back from them via email:
Heroic scale (25-28mm).
Always good to be sure :)
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Hi guys,
I am trying to avoid sounding speculative or alarmist, but I feel like it's better for me to put this out there rather than say nothing and let people possibly lose a fair bit of money.
A couple of my friends were thinking of buying into this, but stopped, and pointed out several very odd and suspect things to me:
1) The combination of the license in Spain, Kickstarter in Canada is possibly an angle to avoid being liable in one jurisdiction. Not a problem in and of itself, but in combination with other things, it's problematic.
2) None of their material is actual pictures of things that are real.
3) There are only 87 backers at the tier that gets you the game and 3098 backers at the most expensive tier. That ratio seems odd, as generally speaking "just the game" is a very popular tier for any Kickstarter.
4) The company involved appears to have an established pattern of buying trademarks in Spain without having produced anything yet:
(http://i.imgur.com/jlDMMc7.png)
I can't say for sure that this is not a legitimate Kickstarter, but I feel that if people are going to buy in, they need to be fully informed.
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@FramFramson, despite considering some of your concerns, and not being part of the production team, there's a few things that should easily elude your grief I can point out:
1) Part of the team behind the production (game designer, if I get it right) are canadians, while Gamezone itself (scultpors, head office, etc.) are spanish, so it makes sense (...ish)
2) Most sculpted material is involving computer based tooling to be done during next year, plus some pictures are actually photographs of real products (yet in very short supply, I agree)
3) the distribution of pledgers respond to the fact that, not only the panel itself is pretty limited, but only the highest pledge provides you with extra characters + rewards (and it's onlys 110USD)
4) so, they have plans about expanding their ranges of retro GW games, while production goes cheaper, yet with unsettled market perspectives in Europe ... is that a crime now ?
Would you find a good reason to avoid this KS, I could give you at least 4:
1) the lack of updates and contacts from the production team (that's spooky !)
2) the perspective of receiving the game itself in - at best - at least a year: given the usual delays, it means you won't see it before 2016 :/
3) So far, the rewards aren't so impressive ....
4) Nobody knows about game mechanics ......
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As I said, this isn't 100%.
I'm just saying there are questionable things here that people need to be aware of.
Even if the manufacturers do intend to produce a game, they might not deliver on this big promise due to a lack of experience in coming through with production. Big dreams are one thing, results are another.
There's also the possibility that you will get a board game that has little to do with the original Heroquest, but has the Heroquest name slapped on the front.
I am extremely skeptical of this Kickstarter campaign. Especially that ratio of base pledges to high-value pledges and the history of trademark purchases.
If you are okay with some risk, then by all means, buy in. But understand that this IS a risk. You are not guaranteed ANYTHING here.
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The Kickstarter has been hauled due to IP dispute.
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Do you want something to worry about? Check the KS now...
Heroquest 25th Anniversary is the subject of an intellectual property dispute and is currently unavailable.
No need to check the servers — the rest of Kickstarter is doing just fine.
If you are interested in this project, please check back later. Thanks for your patience.
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Messed up
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Whoopsies.
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As I said, this isn't 100%.
I'm just saying there are questionable things here that people need to be aware of.
If you are okay with some risk, then by all means, buy in. But understand that this IS a risk. You are not guaranteed ANYTHING here.
I totally agree, even more since recent events o_o
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GW lawyers Assemble!
Sad news since it got a lot of attention and looked like a nice KS for a while, but get the rights of the game for Spain and release it in English the edition is obviously a suspicious move.
IMHO (and being a complete ignorant in IP legal issues) I think the combo "license for a specific country" +"international crowdfunding & distribution" are a candy for angry lawyers.
Lets hope at least this will help to point HQ as a potential release and gets the attention from a big publisher able to release it worldwide
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Official statement
Please bear with us. Gamezone and Moon Design are in a meeting negotiating a settlement for both parts at this time.
Moon Design believes that their interests in the HEROQUEST brand within the USA will be infringed upon. Although we are not distributing or selling our product in US territory. As a precaution Moon Design presented a C/D on the 27th of Nov. Our talks are coming to a point where the negotiation will benefit all those involved, which finally would let us offer our product in stores in the USA sometime next year.
The Moon Design C/D was suspended, but on the table, as another element in the negotiation. Here at Gamezone it is our hopeful understand that its activation is possibly by error as both parties where coming to an agreement. Said agreement would finally end beneficially for Fans in the USA by opening the physical distribution to stores in that country. This brief pause of activity is as harmful to the interests of Moon Design as it is to Gamezone Miniatures.
We are as surprised as the Heroquest community, we didn’t expect that on Thanksgiving, of all days, to be wrapped up in this mess, that is so disagreeable for everyone involved. On a day such as this it is extremely complicated to get in touch with Moon Design. We are working diligently on a solution so we can continue with the project from where it is at the moment and reinforce it for the future.
Thank you. Dionisio
From their (?) blog
http://www.fancueva.com/ludico/comunicado-oficial-de-gamezone-sobre-el-bloqueo-de-heroquest-25-aniversario/ (http://www.fancueva.com/ludico/comunicado-oficial-de-gamezone-sobre-el-bloqueo-de-heroquest-25-aniversario/)
so no GW lawyers to this point in time.
Cheers,
Za
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they are the publisher of a Heroquest rpg?
http://moondesign.glorantha.com/product/heroquest-core-rules
lol omg! thats gets more complicated at each step!
how many licenses are around HQ?
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The Heroquest RPG has nothing to do with HQ gameboard. The RPG is "a rules engine by Robin Laws, suitable for play in any genre or setting".
Now some bits from an interview to Dionisio (Gamezone owner) some days ago:
- You can use the old adventures in the 25th anniversary edition.
- The intention of this edition is to complete with miniatures and scenography some things we missed in the original HQ.
- GameZone has not considered the possibility of a reedition of the original adventures because they are easily available on the internet.
- Some extra detail may be added to the rolling stone (a smashed corpse for example).
- Morcar and Zargon are two different characters. They both will play an active role in the story. There will be another character over them (a woman maybe?).
- All the adventures are linked together.
- Heroquest belongs to Hasbro, but Gamezone bought Heroquest license in Spain which allows them to sell their product in Spanish shops and worlwide through inernet. They are trying to make an agreement for shop distribution in other countries.
- KS shipping cost expenses will be given back to customers as discounts for the GameZone online shop.
- Heroes miniatures designs are just tridimensional drafts. Final pose will match the game cover.
- There are unlimited strecth goals for the KS.
- There will be more kind of spells than the basics (already seen).
- The modular board will be printed on both sides.
- Hero sheet is still on design phase, but a single sheet as in the original HQ is not an option.
- There will be apps for smart phones and tablets to design characters, etc.
- KS edition boxes will be unique, numbered and with your name of choice engraved. They will also look different than the shop edition.
- Advanced rules for future expansions
- Walls could be an option. But if ever released it won't be in the KS.
- Customizable furniture (i.e. different shelfs for the rack, etc).
- Rules will not be published in PDF during the KS.
- Dices will follow the classic system but there will be also character-specific dices.
- There will be a future expansion for solo gaming. The possibility of a game mode without a Warlord (Translator note: Game Master) is beign considered, but nothing is settled so far.
- There will be no stretch goal with painted miniatures.
- There will be female enemies.
- There will be old metal coins matching the game design.
- Player number is 2-6 in the alpha version so far.
- There is a stretch goal with the original HQ board.
- GameZone will put much effort in the translations.
- Game components will come inside little boxes so you can have everything well protected an tidy.
Sorry for the quick translation, but it's late and I'm sleepy.
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:-[
IP is probably only an issue now because Moon designs have realised that could make Mega Bucks off of it. Still IP is IP. I think it will get sorted and still released.
I'm wondering if this will have a carryon effect into other countries Hasbro.
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So Moon Design owns no real Ip from Hasbro? its a mere name coincidence?
all in all sounds kinda sneaky isn't?
The project notes from Arthadan look really exciting.
I have been seeing in a couple of spanish forums people's reaction, and they are strongly supporting the release of the game.
I'm sure one way or the other the game will be finally released, at least in Spain, even if they need to start again in a different crowd funding agent (indiegogo or verkami)
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They could name it Schmeroquest and be done with the whole IP thing!
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I like it!
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Or perhaps the pWarlock of pFiretop Mountain could work?
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:-[
IP is probably only an issue now because Moon designs have realised that could make Mega Bucks off of it. Still IP is IP. I think it will get sorted and still released.
I'm wondering if this will have a carryon effect into other countries Hasbro.
I am not a Lawyer, but... part of the duty of holding a trademark is defending it against infringement. If you don't, you can lose it.
The name has a complicated history - after the GW/Milton Bradley games, Issaries Inc picked it up in the US for their Glorantha RPG in the late 90s, and Moon Designs now produce the RPG. IIRC, Hasbro owns the name in the UK. And Gamezone reckon they own the trademark in Spain
So the IP is a mess. To me it sounds like Gamezone has dived in head first, making noises about selling in the US, and Moon Design have jumped in to make sure they don't lose their trademark through inaction.
The solution may be that boardgames and RPGs are distinct enough categories to allow both to hold the same trademarked name for different brands, but to me GZ have really slipped up by not doing their homework.
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I am not a Lawyer, but... part of the duty of holding a trademark is defending it against infringement. If you don't, you can lose it.
Sad but true. And as far as I know Heroquest was a Chaosium trademark before the Milton Bradley game, but never was released. That trademark seems to have a really complicated story that just calls for trouble. o_o
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Not to mention when Sierra made a computer game heroquest which they then renamed quest for glory.
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They could name it Schmeroquest and be done with the whole IP thing!
or Heroe Cuesc (spanish for "heroic fart")
in the 80's a spanish toy company well know for their shameless copycats released Herocults
(http://cf.geekdo-images.com/images/pic991288_md.jpg)
http://boardgamegeek.com/boardgame/98734/herocults
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I'm thinking "Quest of Heroes" lol
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I'm thinking "Quest of Heroes" lol
Makes me think of "Blood of heroes". Bring on the juggerball.
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or Heroe Cuesc (spanish for "heroic fart")
Holding it in till it's worth half a million CAD before bursting is definitely a fart I'd consider "heroic".
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I would have thought that the people that hold the rights to he name me would have heard about this earlier, it was fairly common knowledge around the water cooler. I hope they didn't know and weren't just waiting until it had garnered a. Lot of publicity before throwing the spanner in the works.
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Moon Design Publishing has released a statement. Apparently Gamezone approached MDP, asking to license the trademark. MDP asked for certain assurances, which were never given, and so MDP wrote them a letter explicitly refusing permission to use the Heorquest trademark in the US. Gamezone went ahead with the Kickstarter anyway.
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/thread/1079761/moon-design-publications-official-statement-on-gam
As Kickstarter is a American company, MDP asked them to suspend the campaign due to a trademark infringement in the US.
Sounds to me like Moon Design are doing it right, and Gamezone are... not.
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Ouch! so glad I pulled my pledge before all of this went down.
Quite surprised it took this long for it to get a C&D.
It didn't feel right to me from day 1.
It would be great if it gets made but I am not holding my breath.
LGW
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New statement from Gamezone:
"GAMEZONE Communiqué, Saturday 30
We would like to inform you all about the present situation, after the pause of our Kickstarter project by Moon Design P. during the thanksgiving holiday, which is an administrative petition within Kickstarter.
Yesterday, Friday, at the start of the day, U.S. east coast time, we sent a letter to Kickstarter, LINK (http://www.heroquestclassic.com/KS_Carta.pdf?utm_source=Listado+General&utm_campaign=53846da067-Tercer_comunicado_Gamezone11_30_2013&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_3d0afacfde-53846da067-72890897) invoking our legitimate trademark rights so they would deactivate the pause and let us progress in the fund raising campaign. We are waiting for Kickstarter’s reply on this matter.
Simultaneously we, Gamezone and Moon Design P., had a reunion to discuss this issue face to face as and not email exchange as was what was happening up till now.
Moon Design P. solicited the pause in Kickstarter because of fear that Hasbro could act against Gamezone in our crowed funding because we are using an American company on American soil. Their argument was that Hasbro could act against them as well for not impeding us in this project. Even thought they are not in any way included in this project or affiliated with it.
If Kickstarter does not reactivate the pause taking into account our letter ( indicated above in the link), then it can only be reactivated if Moon Design P. asks them to. For Moon Design P. to do so they are asking for two things: An official letter from Hasbro in which it states that they, Hasbro, will neither act against our HQ25th nor Moon Design P. They, Moon Design P., have also demanded a considerable sum and percentages from the Kickstarter project.
If we wait for Hasbro to make a declaration, which we can solicit, weeks or even months could pass. With that our production and creation calendar would be severely affected, as not having the funding to continue the campaign.
If the Campaign does not restart soon, the HQ25th will not be ready for Christmas 2014. It will not be ready to celebrate its anniversary.
There exist 3 possible solutions to this conundrum.
1. Kickstarter reactivates the project attending to our petition
2. Wait for Hasbro to declare that they are not against this crowed funding campaign of HQ25th en Kickstarter (an American Company).
3. Immediately move the crowed funning to a platform within Europe, where no risks of legal repercussions exist.
Option one; we can only wait, we cannot be sure that Kickstarter will lift the pause. We cannot influence their decision any more than we have already.
Option two; Hasbro is not obligated to do anything at all.
Option three; here there is no risk, except of course we will raise less funds, no other platform out there at this moment has the same public pull as Kickstarter.
Why are we telling you this? As our backers, what would you like us to do?"
I think they should take the third option and be done with this at once.
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I would have thought that the people that hold the rights to he name me would have heard about this earlier, it was fairly common knowledge around the water cooler. I hope they didn't know and weren't just waiting until it had garnered a. Lot of publicity before throwing the spanner in the works.
Kinda seems like they were so they could hold it hostage for royalties.
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GAMEZONE Communiqué, Saturday 30
We would like to inform you all about the present situation, after the pause of our Kickstarter project by Moon Design P. during the thanksgiving holiday, which is an administrative petition within Kickstarter.
Yesterday, Friday, at the start of the day, U.S. east coast time, we sent a letter to Kickstarter, LINK invoking our legitimate trademark rights so they would deactivate the pause and let us progress in the fund raising campaign. We are waiting for Kickstarter’s reply on this matter.
Simultaneously we, Gamezone and Moon Design P., had a reunion to discuss this issue face to face as and not email exchange as was what was happening up till now.
Moon Design P. solicited the pause in Kickstarter because of fear that Hasbro could act against Gamezone in our crowed funding because we are using an American company on American soil. Their argument was that Hasbro could act against them as well for not impeding us in this project. Even thought they are not in any way included in this project or affiliated with it.
If Kickstarter does not reactivate the pause taking into account our letter ( indicated above in the link), then it can only be reactivated if Moon Design P. asks them to. For Moon Design P. to do so they are asking for two things: An official letter from Hasbro in which it states that they, Hasbro, will neither act against our HQ25th nor Moon Design P. They, Moon Design P., have also demanded a considerable sum and percentages from the Kickstarter project.
If we wait for Hasbro to make a declaration, which we can solicit, weeks or even months could pass. With that our production and creation calendar would be severely affected, as not having the funding to continue the campaign.
If the Campaign does not restart soon, the HQ25th will not be ready for Christmas 2014. It will not be ready to celebrate its anniversary.
There exist 3 possible solutions to this conundrum.
1. Kickstarter reactivates the project attending to our petition
2. Wait for Hasbro to declare that they are not against this crowed funding campaign of HQ25th en Kickstarter (an American Company).
3. Immediately move the crowed funning to a platform within Europe, where no risks of legal repercussions exist.
Option one; we can only wait, we cannot be sure that Kickstarter will lift the pause. We cannot influence their decision any more than we have already.
Option two; Hasbro is not obligated to do anything at all.
Option three; here there is no risk, except of course we will raise less funds, no other platform out there at this moment has the same public pull as Kickstarter.
Why are we telling you this? As our backers, what would you like us to do?
Now if I'm making any sense of this mess, Hasbro has the rights to the actual HeroQuest in the US of A.
BD is afraid that Hasbro will sue them if they don't stop GZ's KickStarter.
If Hasbro says they won't then BD will let the KickStarter continue if they get a "considerable sum and percentage of the KickStarter project".
So if I'm getting this mostly right here, BD wants a share of the cash to lift the ban on the GZ KickStarter despite not actually owning the copyright to the HeroQuest board/miniature game?
If anyone, shouldn't that money be going to Hasbro?
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well, looking at all those infos, to me all turns in one word, greed.
MDP's greed trying to get a slice from the KS kidnapping the project on a legal pirouette.
GZ's greed pulling the ropes too much doing a KS instead to use a european based crowdfunding
Result? HQ to hell and all losing
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well, looking at all those infos, to me all turns in one word, greed.
MDP's greed trying to get a slice from the KS kidnapping the project on a legal pirouette.
GZ's greed pulling the ropes too much doing a KS instead to use a european based crowdfunding
Result? HQ to hell and all losing
Welcome to the real world, where companies make money instead of providing free entertainment for their fans ;)
HeroWreck 25th Anniversary :-I
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Can they just use Indiegogo instead of KS?
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Can they just use Indiegogo instead of KS?
they can but it wouldn't get nearly as much coverage/backers/funds as Kickstarter would.
LGW
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I think indiegogo are based in San Francisco, so that would be a no for the same reason as kickstarter. :'(
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Well if they are both based in the US that's not of much help indeed... I really hope this problem will resolve soon though...
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Well if they are both based in the US that's not of much help indeed... I really hope this problem will resolve soon though...
Indiegogo is Europe based so it would get around the "U.S" issue that is currently derailing the project.
with all of the hassle and issues I am glad I pulled my pledge.
LGW
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I checked their site. Under the careers area it seems to be asking for people to join a them based in San Francisco. ???
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Pulled my pledge too: 1 week lost, with no clear perspective and no communication (even before it was suspended) ... Heroquest returns in the Limbo :-X
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Here's hoping Milton Bradley, hasbro or whoever decides to pick the game up and run with it. Even employing gamezone to do all the legwork and pay them for it. 1/2 a mill was a lot of cash and if the big company was behind it it would get much more.
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Ok, HQ25 is now officialy dead, at least for the time being :
Dear Backers
Last Friday we were surprised by the pause placed on our kickstarter Project of HQ25. We wrote a communiqué to you, which was also posted on our site heroquestclassic.com. In our letter we tried to communicate to you in the clearest fashion what was happening and as well to share with you all, our petition to kickstarter to have the project reopened. To do all of this publicly was to us the correct way for you as our backers to be informed of the situation and the most correct and transparent way to communicate with you as well, as our backers you have the right to know what was going on with this project.
We have done what you have ask for, we have waited in silence for KS’ answer. It has arrived. KS would prefer to keep the project on hold and wait for us to come to an agreement with third part.
The KS answer can be seen at this LINK (http://gamezoneminiatures.us3.list-manage.com/track/click?u=b41baedd4e20e61cf1416e3d9&id=006d34cfd1&e=10ebbba052).
KS’ position does not agree with as at all. The situation produced by the pause of the project has been harmful.
We do not feel that our legitimate rights over the Trademark have been protected and above all we do not wish to do business with third part under threats or duress of any sort. As a result we are proceeding to solicit KS to cancel our project on their platform.
Is this the end of HQ25? Of course not! Keep reading!
We accept the all of the respectful critics that has come our way because we learn from these things and if someone thinks differently they are free to express those opinions. What we do not accept is the disinformation y distortions that have been happening during the project's pause on KS in which we have remained silent and waited.
During these past few days our creative design crew has still been working on the development of various components, the same as always, the idea being to not lose any energy with this controversy.
The thirteen on the gallows, as we have fondly started calling the 13 professionals that are implicated in the creation of the project, have as a priority the development of this commemorative game.
We are truly more worried about you, the backers. We want thank you for the messages of support that have been rolling in. The public reaction to the news of a new edition of this classic provided undeniable and sincere joy to many. We will hold onto this as the rout to follow.
After this communiqué is sent out we will proceed to ask KS to cancel the project on their platform. After this is done we will immediately restart and continue the HQ25 project. More info at heroquestclassic.com. Therefore the HQ25 project will return to active status. We will move from victims to survivors and conquer as we go.
We understand that KS has a larger public base than any other crowed funding platform today; we understand that moving the project to another site will mean that out backer support will decrease. However we are ready and willing to continue this campaign in a place that will offer us the correct guaranties for our trademark. We would prefer to raise fewer funds and still move forward with and produce it in time for the 25th anniversary.
We await your support and enthusiasm in this renewed crowed funding campaign.
Again, we would like to thank our backers from the bottom of our hearts, please do not regret supporting us. Let us all together get this back on track and make this dream a reality.
Gamezone Team
:'(
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Ok, HQ25 is now officialy dead, at least for the time being :
:'(
It's officially moving to another platform than KS as I read it. ;)
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That's how I read it too. It's at least a bit fortunate they went through KS to at least advertise.
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So the fart goes on.
This turned into a farce real quick, gotta wonder how the rest is going to go.
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So the fart goes on.
I assume you wanted to write farce. But that was a quite apt autocorrect :D
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Seeing as most of the problems with HQ25 arose when they started, and succeeded, their Kickstarter then I've got a novel idea:
Don't do a kickstarter.
If the HQ brand is that good and GZ are that invested in it, then why don't they make the game for their own money and then release it where they're "allowed" to do so as per Trademark agreements?
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That is an excellent point. Get a loan.
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Now if I'm making any sense of this mess, Hasbro has the rights to the actual HeroQuest in the US of A.
No. They don't own the Heroquest trademark in the US, Canada and some EU countries. They have an existing copyright on the material they published but as long as GZ is not reproducing that material it isn't an issue.
BD is afraid that Hasbro will sue them if they don't stop GZ's KickStarter.
My reading of it is that MD don't want to litigate because they don't want to risk Hasbro getting involved in the case. MD don't appear to have the cash to litigate against Hasbro even if Hasbro wouldn't have any actual rights in this issue
If Hasbro says they won't then BD will let the KickStarter continue if they get a "considerable sum and percentage of the KickStarter project".
Not sure what Hasbro can give them thought since they, AFAIK, at this point only have a copyright on their game and have no other IP involved in the countries in question. Hasbro has no US copyright and my understanding is that they also have no Spanish trademark.
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News from Gamezone:
Tomorrow at this time we will reopen the HQ25th project in a spanish crowfunding platform, Verkami. We decided do this so we own the trademark in Spain and avoid that can't be attacked in the middle of crowdfunding under any "suspected remote threat."
Everything will be as a "period followed" except for two main differences:
In Verkami, the money given to the project author undertakes to complete the game, and if he didn't, then he have the obligation to return the money to participants.
The stretch goals that were already released, will return to gain from a base figure, all of them, you won't need to unlock them again.
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Good news. Now ever if anything happens on this part of the project I think I'll be out.
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I personally think whatever the legal situation, Gamezone are well out of order, morally. Heroquest simply isn't their game. They are releasing a game designed solely to cash in on people's nostalgia - trying to rake in as much cash as they can using an IP that they did nothing to develop, and they are trying to use legal trickery to sell it around the world, whilst only claiming the legal right to do so from Spain.
Look at the title of this thread - so many exclamation marks! Clearly people are excited, and Gamezone want to make money from that excitement. But they are releasing a different game to the one we remember - new components, new minis, new art, new rules... it's a different game. If they'd simply released a fantasy game called, say, Knights and Wizards, nobody would be that interested. But they've grabbed an IP developed by someone else to catch everyone's attention.
They may well have found a way to legally pull it off, but from my perspective at least, they are still just greedy cash-in merchants. They'll not be getting my money.
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That's the thing about copyrigts, you buy the rights to produce things you have not created yourself :P
As I see things, they're doing nothing illegal. Prove of that is that they will go on and nobody can sue them (and we all know that if any other company could, they will).
They are designing a game to get cash (surprise!) and undoubtfully nostalgia gives it an added value. But they are paying attention to details and developing a quality product, listening to the fan base. I rather have this 25th edition which looks great so far than none from the "rightful" copyright holders.
I'm in.
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The tricky part is that they're 2 distinct 'Heroquest' ranges, yet sharing a common copyright on the name itself : the creator of the Heroquest RPG, formerly known from veterans as 'RUNEquest' wanted the name 'HEROquest', and buy it when MB sold it, then he sold the whole RPG packge to the actual owners, who seek to protect their propriety, and take advantage of the mountain of gold the KS was turning into ... ipso facto, the problem isn't concerning the game (neither MB or Hasbro, or even GW), but only its very name ... reason why GW themselves turned their previous reboot in 'WARHAMMERquest'. Words have power my friends, beyond our imagination ;D
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That's the thing about copyrigts, you buy the rights to produce things you have not created yourself :P
Which would be entirely fair, had they bought the copyrights. But they haven't - they've simply registered the name Heroquest as a trademark in Spain. The copyrights to all the original game material remain with the original companies. That's why Gamezone are having to make a different game, just using the name.
They have a trademark name, not copyright on the game.
That's why I think the whole '25th anniversary edition' bit is such a shameless rip-off; they are implying that the game is theirs - when in fact they just have a name.
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Eh, I'd like to be angry about it...but Hero Quest was a cool board game. If the owners of the copyright sit on it and do nothing with it - I don't care if someone shamelessly copies it. I do think they should simply change the name of the game and be done with it. I'm looking for a cool dungeon crawl boardgame I can introduce to my nephew in the next few years and if I get a bunch of cool minis in the process awesome.
I feel like wasted/dormant/neglected IP's should be brought into dispute on occasion to let people know they're wasting stuff that could be good (look at the 20+ years Robotech floundered in the damn US because of how stupid Palladium/Harmony Gold were...and then they do a little game kickstarter and realize the entire damn world is still nuts over the stuff).
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What they have in the game looks cool so far (not that there is much to go on except ideas) I'd be happy with a name change and the have it flung back up on KS instead,
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Which would be entirely fair, had they bought the copyrights. But they haven't - they've simply registered the name Heroquest as a trademark in Spain. The copyrights to all the original game material remain with the original companies. That's why Gamezone are having to make a different game, just using the name.
They have a trademark name, not copyright on the game.
That's why I think the whole '25th anniversary edition' bit is such a shameless rip-off; they are implying that the game is theirs - when in fact they just have a name.
First.
Copyright. The right to make copies. They are not going to make copies, they are releasing a new version of the game.
Second.
Trademark. The right to use a name. Hasbro has lost it for not doing anything with it for years. Gamezone, or any other company, has the right to register said abandoned trademark, and use it with a product of their own.
That's not morals. That's law. If you don't like it... well, it doesn't matter, because (thankfully) we are governed by laws.
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First.
Copyright. The right to make copies. They are not going to make copies, they are releasing a new version of the game.
Strictly speaking, it also covers the right to adapt the original work into an altered form... so a new version of the game, claiming a heritage to the original, would breach copyright... but IANAL, so take it with a pinch of salt!
Second.
Trademark. The right to use a name. Hasbro has lost it for not doing anything with it for years. Gamezone, or any other company, has the right to register said abandoned trademark, and use it with a product of their own.
That's not morals. That's law. If you don't like it... well, it doesn't matter, because (thankfully) we are governed by laws.
Yes, I agree with you. In Spain, certainly, they've secured a lapsed trademark. They've grabbed Space Crusade too. I'm not arguing the legal side at all... my objection is purely a moral one. Obviously that makes it a personal position, and I'm not trying to force others to agree with me - simply saying how I feel about the situation. I also reserve the right to buy a copy of the game at a later date if I decide I like it enough. Self-interest usually trumps morality sooner or later! ;)
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If they were making the game out of the tears of children I might take a stance on morality, but if it's a grey area of IP & Trademark where the originators have sat on it for years without showing interest in doing anything with it, I don't see the issue so much.
That said, now that they got everyone's attention, if it's a good game, with good sculpts, and owes no more to the original than a name and the vague concept of 'dungeon crawl' then I would think it would be better to just make a new game name and eliminate any obstacles to release & sell & promote anywhere they want. Make something new, stamp a new name to build upon and clear away any future obstacles.
This is a word of mouth/internet link industry and 'Gamezone sculpts with a Heroquest-like dungeon crawl', I would think, is going to get just as much traffic as 'Gamezone is releasing a new version of Heroquest' especially when people find out the rules of the game are different than the original.
We're not talking about grabbing the IP & Trademark of Monopoly, where non-gamers are going to see it on the shelf at Target and pick it up for nephew Billy for xmas. The name already got the attention of the gamers. It also raised everyone's hackles in fear of a failed project due to threat of litigation, so why not bank the interest gained & side step the fears and release the game with a brand new name that is free & clear their own?
Just my opinion born of instinct & inexperience, but there it is.
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Hey, I know, lets copy an old game and make loads of money from the idea, and not give any of the money to the people who made it good in the first place, or the people whos idea we are selling! Lets change the names just enough so they cant legally get us, and also perform a load of sly tricks so we can claim this is ours, even though we are copying somthing someone else made up! While we are at it, lets imply that we have some sort of connection to the original designers but we dont, so lets make quarter of a million making a copy of a game and selling it under false pretenses on the back of nostalgia!
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Well they tried to start it up on the Spanish funding site, Verkami, but it got pulled after few hours. I don't think I'll be backing this if they keep the name heroquest for it any more.
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By the way, game mechanics aren't subject to copyright.
(see Wings of War and Star wars : X-wing)
If they want to use the exact same rules, they can.
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By the way, game mechanics aren't subject to copyright.
(see Wings of War and Star wars : X-wing)
If they want to use the exact same rules, they can.
Bit of a weird area, this... the rules themselves cannot be protected, but the words and phrasing are protected. So you can use the same rules, but have to re-word them.
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Hey, I know, lets copy an old game and make loads of money from the idea, and not give any of the money to the people who made it good in the first place, or the people whos idea we are selling! Lets change the names just enough so they cant legally get us, and also perform a load of sly tricks so we can claim this is ours, even though we are copying somthing someone else made up! While we are at it, lets imply that we have some sort of connection to the original designers but we dont, so lets make quarter of a million making a copy of a game and selling it under false pretenses on the back of nostalgia!
^This.
This whole campaign on Gamezone's behalf was shady as shit. Their attitude regarding copyright was of a teenage kid not giving a crap about what goes on in the growup world, hoping nobody will be too angry about it.
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is it a copyright issue? seems the only thing they are reusing is the name, which would be Trademark wouldn't it? And they have the right to use the name, don't they? That's what it sounded like. The only issue is where or how they distribute a game with that name, which I am less clear on.
But doesn't seem like a copyright issue. From the minimal info that was presented, the game seems to be different. not the same rules, not the same missions, even the board is different.. a double sides static board not modular tiles. There are a lot of Dungeon Crawl theme games, ones even earlier than Heroquest ('Dungeon!' comes to mind) and a theme is far too vague to copyright.. or TSR could have said heroes in a dungeon killing monsters was their property.
Does Heroquest have any specific IP? I only played it a couple times, not recently, I only recall generic characters like 'wizard' or 'dwarf' which is too vague to protect as IP, which would mean there is no IP to steal.
I think it is looking like the only issue is the name. Which if they legally acquired the right to use, I am guessing they paid for that legal right. You spend money on the right to produce under a name, you kind of expect to be able to do that. Are they trying to fine-line around international claims of the name? Maybe so. If it isn't really a reproduction of the 'Heroquest' game, should they even be calling it Heroquest? I don't think so, but I can't go as far as saying they don't have the right to, if they bought that right.
But it doesn't sound like this is the same kind of thing as bootleg DVDs or fake Gucci bags from China. They legally acquired the right to use the name and sounds like they were under the impression that gave them the right to sell the game provided they were doing it from Spain.
If they were actually copying someone else's game and using their rules, IP and name without the legal right to do so, then yeah, that's dirty, but it doesn't sound like that is what was going on: correct if that isn't right.
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Yeah, except they are selling it as Heroquest 25 years on, with all the same elements, just tweaked so they can get away with cashing in on another person's ideas!
If they just released a nice, solid generic dungeaon crawler with nicely mad emodels, woudl they have got the same investment?
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it has just been confirmed on Facebook that Verkami cancelled the funding campaign. it's over.........
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Well they tried to start it up on the Spanish funding site, Verkami, but it got pulled after few hours. I don't think I'll be backing this if they keep the name heroquest for it any more.
;)
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Trademark. The right to use a name. Hasbro has lost it for not doing anything with it for years.
I don't think that is an issue anywhere other than the UK. I believe that they could have kept the trademarks in other countries if they had just refiled for them.
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I don't think that is an issue anywhere other than the UK. I believe that they could have kept the trademarks in other countries if they had just refiled for them.
Indeed. But, at least in Spain, they didn't do that.
Anyway, new Heroquest seems to have finally died. :( A pity, in my opinion.
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I'd have thought Game Zone using the original HQ TV advert would have left them open to a legal challenge regardless of any other copyright or trademark issues. Using another companies advertising in your own advert, presumably without consent, seems... risky.
@Laughing Ferret- GZ claimed their game would be compatible with the original so it's the same game, even if they've changed all the wording to avoid breach of copyright.
It's a shame the game won't return, but then I'd never have backed the KS without seeing a more developed product. They even said the renders of the characters that flashed up in the video weren't what was to be manufactured. ;D
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Anyway, new Heroquest seems to have finally died. :( A pity, in my opinion.
Agree but GZ played their cards in the worse way, and thinking to be more clever than anyone else, in Spanish there is a word for this attitude: "Listillo".
The good point, I hope there is a good point in all that mess, is now the industry has their attention in a niche that seems to hold a potential marked, the nostalgia-dungeon-crawlers HQ look-a-like. It seemed the niche was covered with Descent and a few more but I would say this HQ will put in the production chains some new game in that style.
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While I genuinely don't understand the amount of angst here...I am curious if we'll see Gamezone release the miniatures they had planned/designed for HQ25 anyway.
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¿Listillos? ¿O simplemente chapuceros? No dejan de ser andaluces... ;D
Apparently they'll try in yet another crowdfunding site. Honestly, as much as I'd like a new Heroquest, I can't bother any longer with all this. If it ever reaches a store, I'll buy it (like in the old days, remember?). But no more legal roller coasters.
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I would expect all American fans to back out of this after this misery, after all who wants to chase after his money if his game reward gets stopped at the U.S. customs inspection?
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If it's failed on two crowd funding sites it is definitely too risky to try. I was all for the game originally.i thought it was going to be epic! However there is too much risk involved. Please GZ change the name of it and release it as something else. Then we can still get a nice game out of it and also use all of the stuff with the old heroquest rules if we want to, which I definitely would.
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Yep, I'd back it in a heartbeat if it simply changed the name (the original Hero Quest was shockingly generic and simple so it'd be tough to criticize a new generic dungeon crawl board game). However at this point I won't be backing it solely based on the lack of confidence it will remain underway for its duration.
We're not necessarily buying the name...we're buying the game (or some reasonable facsimile thereof). Personally I was buying it for a box full of minis and maaaaybe a game to play with my nephew.
To me there is very little difference between "Hey man they're re-releasing Hero Quest!" and "Hey man they're releasing a game which is basically Hero Quest from back in the day!". Both are equally appealing.
Heck you can even say "inspired by games such as Hero Quest..." in the damn advertising. No one cares.
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Yep, and I think a lot of people would have similar thoughts too.
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If the game and figures have any merit on their own then the name is irrelevant.
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They should just stop all this crowdfunding nonsence and just bring out the game.
I generated over half a million in less than two days on kickstarter obviously there is a market for it. They do not need crowdfunding to get this of the ground.
To me it just feels greedy.
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I generated over half a million in less than two days on kickstarter obviously there is a market for it. They do not need crowdfunding to get this of the ground.
right, but very probably they don't have the funds to pay the production, check their site, its a very small producer of GW-clone-miniatures, they never released a gameboard like this before.
And currently in Spain no bank gives credit to any company for any project, well.. except if you are the son-in-law of the King or if you want to build a resort in a beach, they don't care about any other kind of projects.
After the rejection from Verkami I would say their project is definitively down, sad because I had plans for the resin scenery for my own project :-(
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They should just stop all this crowdfunding nonsence and just bring out the game.
I generated over half a million in less than two days on kickstarter obviously there is a market for it. They do not need crowdfunding to get this of the ground.
To me it just feels greedy.
Can someone explain this line of reasoning to me? I see this sentiment a lot from people on this board and it confuses me. How is a Kickstarter greedy? If you give a company X amount of money now...or give them X amount of money later, how does one of these options make the company greedy or malicious?
I commonly see the argument "well, Kickstarter is for upstarts who don't have resources etc...". So what? Why do people get so upset at companies for using Kickstarter programs? I've never seen customers be worse off for doing so (short of crooks like Tony from Defiance Games etc.) if anything quite the opposite - getting a ton more product for your buck.
I'm just really confused when I see people "Argh, I hope they don't do a Kickstarter for this..." etc. Is this just old guys getting their panties in a bunch? We've seen how massively successful kickstarters can be. If I was a company it'd be the first angle I'd consider for new product launches. Why not have money up front instead of a bank loan (and associated fees/interest etc.).
If you don't like the Kickstarter idea...just don't buy the stuff till it's on the shelf. I really don't understand the malice toward the crowd funding idea on this board. Boggles the mind.
PS: I should clarify, I agree...obviously the market is there (and if anything that'd be a great way to convince a bank to loan you the funds needed etc.). I guess I don't see why anyone cares how a company funds it's products...as long as the products get to the market and you can buy the thing.
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¿Listillos? ¿O simplemente chapuceros? No dejan de ser andaluces... ;D
Are we tolerating now offensive regional stereotypes here?
For you, English-speakers gents, the comment says:
Smart-pants? or just cheat? It's Andalusians we're talking about...
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Not "cheat", but "clumsy". Very different thing!
And it was posted humorously, hence the smilie.
But if someone's offended, my apologizes.
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Are we tolerating now offensive regional stereotypes here?
For you, English-speakers gents, the comment says:
Smart-pants? or just cheat? It's Andalusians we're talking about...
are you overreacting or what? it was an obvious joke
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Does anyone know if problems with IP could arise if they make a game, let's call it 'Quest of Heros' and then say it is compatible with HeroQuest? The rules may be compatible, but the name is different?
Otherwise, I am not convinced they would get nearly as much support by releasing a similar game that does not have the HeroQuest name. Are there not already many enjoyable dungeon-crawl games out there? What is to stop the thousands of people who had gotten on board to just use those rulesets and tell themselves its a reincarnation of HeroQuest? GZ might be able to pull it off now that they have had so much press about it, and their sculpting quality speaks for itself. However, I think most casual observers would pass once it no longer has the brand recognition of the name 'Heroquest 25th anniversary'
IMO, most people are swayed by the image of a memorable/superior brand. Renaming the game would strip that away and it would be just one of a multitude of options already available.
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Does anyone know if problems with IP could arise if they make a game, let's call it 'Quest of Heros' and then say it is compatible with HeroQuest? The rules may be compatible, but the name is different?
You can't do that without a licence. Ever wonder why the wooden train tracks that work with the Thomas and Friends trains say "Compatible with popular wooden trains"? If they want to reference the Thomas range they would have to license to do so. Same thing here.
They might have rights to the Heroquest name in Spain and might be able to use it in a game but the Heroquest game is copyright Hasbro and that reference to a specific product is what would cause the problem.
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Not "cheat", but "clumsy". Very different thing!
Also translates out colloquially as "Cowboy" in the shoddy/amateurish work sense. Which is totally appropriate I would suggest.
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This thread, and in some parts is a train wreck. And yes, it is always alright to joke about ones own regions.
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And yes, it is always alright to joke about ones own regions.
I often joke about the state of my nether regions. lol
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I don't since reaching the twilight years that is the early thirties :'(
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Does anyone know if problems with IP could arise if they make a game, let's call it 'Quest of Heros' and then say it is compatible with HeroQuest? The rules may be compatible, but the name is different?
I don't think it should be a problem.
There is a vast number of retroclones sold as "the classic rpg in a red box" or "if you ever played a game with a d20 combat dice you already played this game" whithout getting into troubles with the owners of "the classic fantasy rpg sold in a red box and set in underground places" game.
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Fine, I may have overreacted. Apologies.
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For about £30 to £40 you can get Heroquest on ebay. Talk about a nostalgia fix. If you want, you could even buy some alternate models to use. And maybe some cool resin furniture. Maybe even swap out the board for a nice tile set or other dungeaon floorplan.
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Heroquest isn't really that great a game to be honest. Advanced Heroquest on the other hand...
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Heroquest isn't really that great a game to be honest. Advanced Heroquest on the other hand...
YES!!!!! But I did prefer the look to the heroquest warrior rather than advanced.
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Third time's the charm!
According to Game Zone's twitter, it's coming back in a few days in a Spanish crowfunding page called lanzanos.com.
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I want it, but not that much I think... We'll see.
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According to Game Zone's twitter, it's coming back in a few days in a Spanish crowfunding page called lanzanos.com.
Good news! :o
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Good news! :o
Really?
This smells Defiance Games trainwreck.
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Nonsense...Game Zone has actually produced miniatures and sells them...there can be no comparisons drawn. lol
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I was originally keen but will pass now
LGW
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Luckily, I have no money to spare on this, so I don't have to face a difficult choice. :)
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Needs more exclamation marks.
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I thought the lanzanos.com campaign already got shot out of the saddle?
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No, it was announced last Monday as "coming soon". I guess they'll open it next week.
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I thought the lanzanos.com campaign already got shot out of the saddle?
I would say you are thinking on Verkami, the other crowdfunding company available in Spain
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These guys just don't know when to stop, do they?
You'd think that the confidence in this thing has gone pretty low after all the stuff that's happened.
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for those who want to try AGAIN ;D
http://www.lanzanos.com/proyectos/heroquest-25-aniversario/necesidades/
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for those who want to try AGAIN ;D
http://www.lanzanos.com/proyectos/heroquest-25-aniversario/necesidades/
I will pass $253NZD for the stretch goal pledge level has me out from the start.
LGW
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Third season of gamers' favourite soap opera starts... Let's see how long it gets. :?
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Needs more exclamation marks.
Upside-down ones if it's Spanish.
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I so want this but there is too much risk.
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I so want this but there is too much risk.
I think just like you.....
However, also 30€ for the shipping costs are just too many ...
There to say that the curiosity of seeing how it will end, remains.
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I'd think I'd rather cut my own N00ts off then back this project after everything that's happened.
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Upside-down ones if it's Spanish.
¡Ola
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The project is now funded. Given it's its third ressurection, I'll wait a little longer to consider being or not part of it.
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¡Ola
¡Ola =wave
¡HOla=hello
I'm very sorry fr this lack of "nettiquette", but my inner teacher forced me to post this, I'm weak :-( o_o ;D
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Just had a read through the crowdfunding page, I'm tempted as I'm in Spain, so the postage would be cheap, but then I read those fatal words, Plastic Resin :o
Anyone know what type of material they're using?
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Just had a read through the crowdfunding page, I'm tempted as I'm in Spain, so the postage would be cheap, but then I read those fatal words, Plastic Resin :o
Anyone know what type of material they're using?
The same as this one I believe. A good one as I read from a couple of reviews: http://www.gamezoneminiatures.com/tienda/es/elfos-oscuros/1624-rgto-de-infanteria-elfos-oscuros-resina-plastica-.html (http://www.gamezoneminiatures.com/tienda/es/elfos-oscuros/1624-rgto-de-infanteria-elfos-oscuros-resina-plastica-.html)
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Two special miniatues for free if you back the project today!
Bold teenagers. These are meant to help your children identify with their heroes if you play with them. WIP 3D scupts:
(http://www.heroquestclassic.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/RegaloReyes2.jpg)
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Do people still think this is too "risky" to back now that it is funded? If so, why?
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Do people still think this is too "risky" to back now that it is funded? If so, why?
After 3 failed attempts, a shady interpretation of ip-regulations and some communication that was beyond suspicious, why should people hesitate?
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After 3 failed attempts, a shady interpretation of ip-regulations and some communication that was beyond suspicious, why should people hesitate?
+ no communication so far on the rules, at least 1 year of delay before starting to hope for a delivery, etc.. indeed, why should people hesitate ?
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Do people still think this is too "risky" to back now that it is funded? If so, why?
They haven't posted any info I can see about the rules or gameplay and they aren't a company that has, AFAIK, any experience in that realm. The core product is a game and if you have no idea what the game will be like then that seems pretty risky to me. Similar to someone posting a miniature game with no pictures of the figures.
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Don't worry guys, I may grab an extra copy in English with all the perks straight to eBay just for you.
See if you can resist that then.
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Don't worry guys, I may grab an extra copy in English with all the perks straight to eBay just for you.
See if you can resist that then.
Pretty sure you gonna sell it. But what's your motive? The return for lending your moneys to Gamezone for a year will be close to none.
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Pretty sure you gonna sell it. But what's your motive? The return for lending your moneys to Gamezone for a year will be close to none.
Well, if I decide to keep it I'll be saving money since the regular price after the crowfunding is going to be higher. And if I decide to sell it, I'd probably can make some money out of it (specially if there is no distribution to English speaking countries). Besides, getting an extra copy would help to get some more perks which is always good.
By the way, here you are the last update: Rotating view of the gargoyle (as a stone statue, apparently there will be another version when it turns to flesh):
Link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sDSNa-CZs_0)
Plus they have announced an add-on: a double-sided modular board.
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The main board is to be double sided so what is this add-on?
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Here is what they have said:
http://www.heroquestclassic.com/a-dark-dungeon-where-the-heroes-can-shine/
There is also a picture of the board itself.
They stated:
a double-sided board with the classic dungeon on one side and a new ruined terrain witha completely different design and distribution on the other. We will talk about this second scenario next week, for now we will focus on the A side, the one you all know.
Next to this:
one of the first optional add-ons we will offer you in the future (fingers crossed) will be the gameboard splitted up into individual rooms, corridors and corners. The limit is yours to decide.
The board will have no surplus edge, so you can easily put two or more next to eachother or use extra room on the side istead of on top of. Or even use decent, AHQ, WHQ or whichever you have...
As long as they manage to get the product out, even under a completly different name if neccesary, I'll be happy. No matter i the game is too simple or not, I just want it as an introductionary game for my son :)
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There is also the option of just getting rid of their rules and using the olde HQ ones as an intro game and using fan created rules for a more balanced game.
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Actually, this is what they have said about the modular board (no official English version yet, translation is mine):
Modular Board(22 euros). Contains 23 rooms and 28 corridors. All pieces are double-sided, one face identical to side A of our Alpha Board (the one in the box) and the other one with a brand new design different from Alpha Board side B.
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I haven't checked in on this in a while (don't really have the cash at all). I'll likely pick up a copy when it's released. Shame, a while back I had the money, but then it failed for too long before getting running.
Regarding the rules...you don't need much experience to make a relatively simple dungeon crawl board game. While I don't plan on backing the crowd-funding project at the moment, I still don't see the huge amount of angst here. You don't want the game or the support the company, don't? lol
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First real sculpt finished!
Link (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3II84023Bo)
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Funding this one again has scared the crap out of me, but I've got to admit, that is a very nice sculpt. well thought out, very busy, perfectly fitting the theme.
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That is some cracking scenery! :o :o The Gargoyles top notch too!!
I don't do Kickstarters(or whatever this ones called!) but I'll diffinatetly buy a copy when it eventually comes out!
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Well, I took the plunge and got in on this program.
I'm starting a dungeon project, and the idea of a load of minis and terrain for "reasonable" was too good to pass up. Time will tell how bad of a decision this may or may not be. The current pledge for US customers is $194 shipped for the "everything" pledge.
Box
-46 miniatures
-46 terrain pieces
Unlocked
-15 additional hero miniatures
-16 additional monster miniatures
-22 additional terrain pieces
And of course the boards, cards, yada yada. I'm not overly concerned about that stuff. My main concerns are plastic resin material (booo!) though some here have said Gamezone minis are quite reasonable in that regard. I used money that I made at a local convention and ebay...so if it all goes tits up and disappears I'll be angry, but not miserable. If the product arrives and I don't like it, I'll sell it on, or keep it around and use it as intended (a simple board game) when my nephew comes of age. He's only six right now, should need another year or two.
The $50 shipping fee is apparently turned into a coupon for use at Gamezone's Hero Quest online store (supposedly launching December 2014). As a whole, I'm very "ehhh..." about the prospect, but worth a try I suppose.
11 days to go, but I don't imagine any large unlocks coming. The current program is only at $700,000 which is far less than a full length Kickstarter would have been the first go round.
Your faithful Lead Adventure Hero Quest Guinea Pig...
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Your faithful Lead Adventure Hero Quest Guinea Pig...
You and me both :D
For me it's also dungeon dressing as well as the hope of playing this with my son in give or take eight years... so it's not a big problem if the project gets a bit of a delay either ::)
Anyhow so far the box looks like a good deal.
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They have posted an article about the plastic resin they use with some examples:
(http://www.heroquestclassic.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/01/gamezone3-1024x619.jpg)
IMO looks far more detailed than Reaper's plastic.
Here you are the article: http://www.heroquestclassic.com/plastic-resin-what-is-it-and-why-do-we-use-it/ (http://www.heroquestclassic.com/plastic-resin-what-is-it-and-why-do-we-use-it/)
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While still a matter of some contention, this program has entered the always-interesting final week. I misspoke earlier, it seems to have around $600,000 or so.
The unlocks may begin rolling quickly here, so it's always entertaining to watch that even if you have no stake in the matter.
Latest unlocks:
-Stone Guardian
-Ruined doorways
-Additional spell cards
Next at 348K
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I hope that act 3 gets funded, each act seems to be an expansion pack basically with act 2 being an undead/vampire one. I'd like to see a demon expansion.
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I don't think the "act" has to be fully funded. I think the revealed items are unlocked. I'd be pissed if they're only unlocking an act if it is fully revealed.
The two latest:
-Mole Troll
-Pair of Magical Doors
It is gaining slow momentum. I don't believe it'll be a huge rocket surge though, given the heaps of controversy.
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I think that between the end of crowdfunding and the estimated delivery of the finished work, someone will claim the IP. And something will go wrong ... so I believe.
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Nobody can challenge their rights in Spain and since the game is produced there and the crowfunding platform is based there, I think they're good to go.
On the other hand, distribution in other countries may be difficult. But if you buy it from Spain, I doubt you have any issues other than higher than usual shipping cost.
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Nobody can challenge their rights in Spain
are you sure?
http://www.edgeent.com/v2/edge_tienda_detalle.asp?etidi=43
I would like to think everything s right because the deal looks pretty yummy, but seems like Edge (almost Fantasy Flight Games in Spain) in involved somehow with the IP that sunked their KS in the US.
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I'll be honest with what I'd like to see...
The crowd-funding project ends...and then Gamezone changes the name of the game. We discussed it earlier - no one cares about the actual name. It's simply the name recognition that Gamezone is after. Gamezone has been around for what 8-10 years now? I have faith that even if IP issues come up, the worst case scenario (hopefully) would be a changed-name game, or refunded money, or some form of compensation.
Only time will tell... :-I
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But the 50% and more of those who participated in the CF want a new Heroquest, with the name Heroquest, not another Dungeon Crawler similar to Heroquest....
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Eh, I doubt that's really the case though. Even if the game is a blatant copy of Hero Quest, but called Quest of Heroes, I doubt people would throw a riot and demand their money back. I would have gotten in on this kickstarter regardless of the nostalgia of the HQ name. In fact, from what I can tell the game looks to be substantially different.
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I don't think the "act" has to be fully funded. I think the revealed items are unlocked. I'd be pissed if they're only unlocking an act if it is fully revealed.
The two latest:
-Mole Troll
-Pair of Magical Doors
It is gaining slow momentum. I don't believe it'll be a huge rocket surge though, given the heaps of controversy.
I was meaning it seems that they release the quest book at the end of the act so I want act 3 to get funde so the things in it can be used properly.
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are you sure?
http://www.edgeent.com/v2/edge_tienda_detalle.asp?etidi=43
I would like to think everything s right because the deal looks pretty yummy, but seems like Edge (almost Fantasy Flight Games in Spain) in involved somehow with the IP that sunked their KS in the US.
That is a Spanish reprint of one of the Heroquest RPG books I think. The Gamezone trademark is for the use of the name in board games.
Multiple people can have trademarks for the same name/word/phrase if the trademarks are meant to cover different products.
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That is a Spanish reprint of one of the Heroquest RPG books I think. The Gamezone trademark is for the use of the name in board games.
Multiple people can have trademarks for the same name/word/phrase if the trademarks are meant to cover different products.
Yes...Heroquest Glorantha...in Usa the owner is Moon Design Publishing...company that has had to deal with the closure of Kickstarter.
I know they're two different products...but it was not so, for the first KS.
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Picking up some steam in the final four days.
+Barrels
+Great Wyrm
+"She" (Medusa?)
+Active Stone Guardian
+Two more servants
+Rulebook upgrade
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Hi
Is this still alive, if so does anyone have a link?
Thanks
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4 Days to go.
http://www.lanzanos.com/proyectos/heroquest-25-aniversario/necesidades/
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Only one perk left to reveal. I think is going to be Morcar and Zargon miniatures...
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I am tempted, but it looks like you have to have a facebook account to back them. Which I don't, and to be honest I don't really want one.
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You don't need facebook, but you'll need to create an account for Lazanos or whatever it's called. I could tell they were losing steam toward the end when the perks started becoming a bit more mundane - I do hope the final is rather awesome...
As it stands now, assuming it shows up, I'm pretty stoked with the outcome. Pretty good amount of stuff for the money. Now the joy of watching miniature previews for the next 10 months!
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Final Box Count (Pending final unlock)
Box Contents
46 Miniatures (worth noting that each Goblin, Orc, etc. is a different pose - be curious to see how different...)
46 Terrain pieces (and 35 terrain markers also in resin - stairs, traps etc.)
86 Cards
Unlocked
+39 Miniatures (including the "Great Wyrm" which takes up 6 spaces!)
+31 Terrain pieces
+97 additional Cards
Total
-85 Miniatures
-87 Terrain pieces
-183 Cards
Not bad for $195.00 USD, especially when you consider that you get the store-coupon to recoup some of your shipping costs.
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What are the odds of the minis being anywhere near as good as the 3D concepts....are there any images of finished models yet?
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Just some pieces of furniture. Gamezone makes some nice figures...so the question is really, will the game pieces be up to the same standard as their normal miniatures?
Other Gamezone stuff:
(http://www.artemisblacks.com/gamezone/images/dwarves/05-02%20Dwarf%20Gunner%20Hero%201b.jpg)
(http://www.gamezoneminiatures.com/tienda/1624-2789-thickbox/dark-elf-infantry-box-plastic-resin-.jpg)
(http://www.gamezoneminiatures.com/tienda/1623-2787-thickbox/dark-light-cavalry-box-plastic-resin.jpg)
(http://www.coolminiornot.com/shop/media/catalog/product/g/z/gzm1101.jpg)
The only reason I packed this set was that Gamezone is a known entity, producing miniatures. So while they have some nice 3D renders of the HQ stuff I'd expect very reasonable miniatures. My only hope is that they match well with standard 28's (and I'm sad to see integrated bases, but those can be dealt with). I'm pretty confident that I'll like most of the minis.
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Morcar and Zargon unlocked!! One day to go..
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And that's the whole package. Nothing left to unlock.
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It's more like GZ *made* some nice figures. Their in-house sculptor left, and all GZ has been doing is recasting their metal miniatures into their resin / plastic.
http://www.bugmansbrewery.com/topic/35844-whatever-happened-to-gamezone-miniatures/
Also, during the campaign, the original sculptor, MK Ultra Studios, left, and had to rebut the GZ post of how he was leaving.
Here's what he said on BGG: http://boardgamegeek.com/article/14372928#14372928
"I'd asked TWO times to Dioni if GZM had the full rights to make this game. First one, during our first meeting call. Second one, after Verkami's cancellation. This second time he made me the commentary about the laughs. Both times by phone.
Why I asked it to him? First, because I want to keep Questron's name clean. The sculpting branch of Questron (Mkultra Studios) is working right now for many companies (majors in the miniature industry, as far as I know, like Mantic Miniatures, or Sodapop Miniatures, among others) and I didn't want, I repeat, to mix our name in any "illegal/anormal/whatever" release of anything...
Secondly, because our deal was to charge all our work AFTER the resolution of the crowdfunding (by the time we started to work for GZM, KS was still on) So, I'd must to be sure that my workers will charge for their work, but the word of one man is enough for me...
Yes, by that time, I was sure that Dioni has the rights to release the game, and the KS and Verkami's cancellation were only a "chain of fatalities and misunderstoods"...
Now... Well, I don't know if that phone call between Dioni and Hasbro was real or not (he admitted that something ISN'T REAL, but I don't know if he meant that my word had not any fundament, or if what he told me isn't real...)
The thing is that I decided to retire my studio from the project, and not get Questron's name involved in this release. Why? I'll save it for my own smile.gif BUT I must to say that after the first 4 hours on "Lanzanos", I sent a message to Dioni, giving my congratulations to him for the fast-success...
What I want to say with this post is that I didn't imagine/make up any declaration from Dioni. It's true that he told me that by phone. And also it's true that I say that in a Facebook's commentary-thread without his permission. BUT I didn't, I repeat, make up those words.
My only intention now it's to keep Questron's name clear. I can be a big mouth when I'm defending things, that's true, but always if I think the subject is clear.
The purpose of this or any of my future messages is not to defend or attack or criticize the HQ 25th's release. That isn't of my bussiness (nunca mejor dicho) anymore. "
And this is what he said on Dakka Dakka: http://www.dakkadakka.com/dakkaforum/posts/list/30/569616.page
"And we prefer to don't say anymore about all that subject beyond this post. We aren't against GZM... but in Spain, if you are not at the side of something, you are against... Even if you say over and over that you aren't, and if you explain your true motives of quitting from one job, it doesn't matter.
My message in BGG had only one purpose. To keep my word and my company's name clear after seeing lies and strange movements.
The words from GZM explaining what I WRONGLY (I accept that) comment in one FB's post were that what I've said in that comment wasn't real, and that was a setback for my word (I wasn't making up anything, they told me that they talked with Hasbro, and the laughs were loud) and my company (so, no Hasbro laughs? no agreement wtih them? more crowdfunding cancellations and no payment for the studio? No thanks, sir) This message is in the net since 13th December.
By that time I didn't say a word, I didn't (and I don't) care what the "spanish miniature-market" thinks about my word or my company. I didn't have, and we WON'T have any more bussiness there...
Simply, I sent a mail to GZM telling that the name of MKUltra Studio retires from the HQ project. We accepted the work in the name of the studio, we didn't put in contact anybody with anybody, the fact that our sculpter and GZM are from the same city (Seville) is a (lucky) coincidence for them, because they were in a real hurry for a sculpter... (Why? you can wonder... I also know facts that nobody knows, but I keep my mouth shut, as I said We don't want to put more gasoline in the fire, that's not our goal, as I said) And so, we retired from the project.
We didn't have a response from them to this message. We didn't care. There was work (WIPs) made by that time... The payment and the use of that work is not our bussiness anymore, and quoting a famous TV-host from the 80s spanish television "Hasta aquí puedo leer". There is people that didn't say a word in this drama and don't deserve to get involved.
But by the time that these words appears in an international forum as BGG, that's a totally different thing. I have very important orders from many foreign (for me, USA is foreign hehehe) companies, and I want that ANYBODY that could read or investigate the "Heroquest-gate" drama could have my interpretation of all this subject. Again, my company and my word is clean of anything strange, obscure or harmful for the industry.
The result of all this is more lies about us... (we AREN'T commission-agents, that's was offensive for us, with all our respect to commission agents) Enough is enough. We make a final statement in our FB, in spanish, that will be deleted tomorrow, and that's all.
At this moment, we shut up the mouth about all this drama ... We have A LOT of work to do, and our time is gold."
Here's what GZ said posted, which MK said was untrue (about the commission):
http://www.lanzanos.com/proyectos/heroquest-25-aniversario/actualizaciones/
"To answer your question straight away: no, it will not Affect the miniature creation process in any way, as here at GameZone info we have always sculpted our own models. And it is the same for HQ25. Contacted MKULTRA was to not have an additional backup for our sculptor, and They Got in Touch with us another modeller from our same city so we Could not work with him in a direct and individual way. In This Issue Involvement MKULTRA is just to get commission for this business Their management as a middleman, nothing else.
Thank you for your good will to the project. Truth is, That all this "controversy bubble" around it is really unnecessary."
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There are a lot of talented sculptors out there, so we'll just have to have faith that the product will be worth the money in the end. I don't particularly care who sculpts the miniatures as long as they're not garbage. Time will tell.
My Robotech Kickstarter pledge was based on a nothing-proven promise...so far they're looking pretty good on the production side. Only time will tell when they show up if it was really worthwhile.
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Nobody can challenge their rights in Spain and since the game is produced there and the crowfunding platform is based there, I think they're good to go.
Hasbro has a Spanish subsidiary, who may or may not take legal action.
If they can find GameZone, that is: http://www.yeoldeinn.com/hqforum/viewtopic.php?f=182&t=1989&start=280
As for buying copies for eBay, I've seen copies of MYTH, Dwarven Forge, and Reaper sell for twice their KS value. However, with HQ25, besides the risk of not receiving product, you may not receive a product with the words "HeroQuest" on it, the rules may be different, or the inevitable game reviews will point out the differences between the original HQ and HQ25, both components and manufacturers. Any of these cases can dramatically reduce the demand by those who missed the original project and wanted an "authentic" HeroQuest game.
Still, I'm sure you're not going to get anything like this fine Spanish game :D http://www.cargad.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/02/herocults.jpg
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omg! that's the never ending story! I don't know if they will release anything, but the whole story can be sold as a comedy script.
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The number of people who don't know the slightest thing about trademark, copyright and IP laws is staggering. That BGG thread is filled with so many people who are utterly incorrect yet seem to think they know what they are talking about. It staggers the mind.
Hasbro has a Spanish subsidiary, who may or may not take legal action.
On what basis?
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Saw what are you meaning? I know that GZ bought the trademark allowing them the rights to use the name heroquest in Spain but not in other countries as as the trademark hasn't lapsed elsewhere. Is that the case?
In other news their website was hacked recently and so was the crowd funding last form while they were trying to reach their goal. Some one out there has a real issue with this.
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I know that GZ bought the trademark allowing them the rights to use the name heroquest in Spain but not in other countries as as the trademark hasn't lapsed elsewhere. Is that the case?
Last time I checked it had lapsed in the US and Canada as well but someone had reported that GZ was applying for it in the US. Haven't confirmed... just don't care anymore
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I guess that is why they were trying to fund in Canadian $
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I guess that is why they were trying to fund in Canadian $
No, I think that had to do with the company that they were running the original KS under. It was based in Canada. AFAIK they don't have a trademark in Canada
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New update
http://www.heroquestclassic.com/no-one-said-it-would-be-easy/
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New update
http://www.heroquestclassic.com/no-one-said-it-would-be-easy/
So, the 'thing' lives?
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Well it was funded and they're working on it, so I'd say so. lol Whether or not anything shows up by Christmas is another story.
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I wish i'd backed this now.before i had just dismissed heroquest as a silly piece of nostalgia, but having got my copy i'm in love with it, but don't wait to paint my copy.
However, if these guys bring out expansions fort he game and the core box retains the same rules, i will throw money at them because no way am i paying ebay prices for the old expansion packs.
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Old expansion packs are ridiculous, especially the american versions! Luckily when I got this, between my brothers and I we managed to pick up all the expansions (excluding american ones). I've got 2 sets of heroquest original as well. Actually I'm playing through it with my 5 y/o son. He kind of gets it but just likes rolling the dice and bashing my baddies. lol
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My only beef is that communication has been very limited. I haven't received emails from them since around the final week of the crowd-funding campaign, though sporadic updates have appeared on their website.
Because Gamezone is an established company I'm still comfortable with the purchase, but I prefer when a big kickstarter event is successful that we get updates to know it's still flowing along. Unfortunately I was buying a lot of dungeon monsters and baddies and I kept forgetting that I have the 90+ figures for this game coming with it. If they're good enough to use they'll end up painted in my dungeon. If not, I'll retain the game for playing with the buddies and my nephew. He's seven and smart as a whip, so I'm thinking he'll be ready in a year or two to concentrate enough to get a game in every now and then.
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New update: http://youtu.be/jj6XwRL83M8 (http://youtu.be/jj6XwRL83M8) Skip to minute 18 for the miniatures 8most of them are nearly finished WIP).
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Old expansion packs are ridiculous, especially the american versions! Luckily when I got this, between my brothers and I we managed to pick up all the expansions (excluding american ones). I've got 2 sets of heroquest original as well. Actually I'm playing through it with my 5 y/o son. He kind of gets it but just likes rolling the dice and bashing my baddies. lol
I haven't been able to find one on ebay for less than 30 quid , which isnt too bad, but the rarer ones are in the mid hundreds!!! plus i'm not sure i want to pay that much for 10 figures and a bunch of tiles that come with the core box.i'll have to make do with the pdf's.
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Exactly, I'm sure it would be easy enough to find copies of the extra tile designs online (ye olde inn is a good place to start) and just print them onto card stock or paper glued onto card. The rare ones are ridiculously priced (for me that is)
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Hello all
Are the plastic miniatures of any use to any of you?
I may have about 30 guards in plastic from Advanced Heroquest to trade if someone is interested.
Just pm me and i will send photos.
Cheers
Rui
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Hello all
Are the plastic miniatures of any use to any of you?
I may have about 30 guards in plastic from Advanced Heroquest to trade if someone is interested.
Just pm me and i will send photos.
Cheers
Rui
Oh god me!
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Bump.
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Bump.
Could you pm me, im in Cornwall and my phone is a horrible way to send a pm for some reason. I'm really interested in that assassin model.
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There are a lot of talented sculptors out there, so we'll just have to have faith that the product will be worth the money in the end. I don't particularly care who sculpts the miniatures as long as they're not garbage. Time will tell.
My Robotech Kickstarter pledge was based on a nothing-proven promise...so far they're looking pretty good on the production side. Only time will tell when they show up if it was really worthwhile.
:o
Anyway, can anyone here speak Spanish? Pha3drus is looking for some help in translating their latest video.
http://boardgamegeek.com/thread/1200163/request-help-translate-recent-desafio-wargame-inte
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Not me, but I'm looking forward to seeing it!
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I have seen only a few minutes before to get tired of it (i'm not a backer) but one of the most shocking things is the guy telling they don't want to provide info about the development because they want to keep the "surprise factor" for the backers when they open the box in xmast. To provide information about the development they call it "spoilers".
I don't doubt they have good will regarding this, but IMHO they prove (once more) to don't understand how the crowdfunding systems works. You can't grab people's money and simply disappear for one year, despite you will deliver them the best product in the world on time. In the meantime the lack of information could be so damaging that will completely burn the patience of your backers and makes futile this "surprise effect".
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They have definitely been extremely quiet...however there is quite a bit of art on display - so if it translates into anything decent in miniature form, we'll see.
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I speak Spanish and i've watched the video.
Some facts I remember:
- box will be massive, twice as long as a warhammer one and taller and all full of goodies.
- they are considering an innotive design for dices with irregular sides. the smaller sides with lower probability will have the special results (fumble / critics).
- Spiders are 30 mm tall.
- knight comes with to set of arms, one when he is chained to the wall and another when he's free.
- The Game Master screen has a "hole" in the front part to throw the dices. KS edition screen will be different from regular (later) edition.
- the reasons for the secrecy, besides trying to keep the "surprise factor" is that the deadline is very close and they simply don't have the time to discuss every design.
- there is a beta of the rules and it will be playtested by several groups this summer.
- Scenarios will be playable with the basic box contents, but they will include suggestions to use other items from the strech goals.
- the setting so far is a region called the Coast of the Dead Cities, old massive cities partially taken by the sea full of nasty creatures and treasures.
- doors can be opened. Aparently they come with a sort or rails to slide the door in and out.
- the huntress design has a real yet curious weapon. To design the miniatures they've used real world things mixed in a brand new way. Mummies for example are based on some South American real ones.
- They're doing their best to add a sense of depth in some traps despite they are almost flat (pits and so).
-There will be expansions with more detailed rules and so.
- They are absolutely commited to yhe delivery date.
And that's all I can remember.
The guy could certainly improve his social skills, but he's a perfectionist and I think the game is in good hands.
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Heads up guys.
http://www.heroquestclassic.com/en/
The latest post from July 16th indicates that an email will go out at the end of "March"(?) asking backers to log in to the Gamezone Miniatures page. I guess each backer had an account created with Gamezone Miniatures, and you'll have a coupon for your Kickstarter buy in. You'll then add whatever items you want (and additional?). You pay shipping + any additional items you've added.
Not sure how it's going to work, but remember international backers get a coupon for their international shipping cost --- a coupon which can be applied to the Gamezone Miniatures store (in the future?). Oddly you'll still be paying for shipping on that additional stuff but the Hero Quest box must be rather large because shipping is an arm and a leg at the moment for my current address in the States.
I like the 3D concepts I've seen, but at this point in the timeline they should be showing at least some basic miniatures and components, not just renders. That being said I write off Kickstarter delivery dates so I'm not holding them to anything. As long as I get a big box of goodies I'll be happy. Curious to see how the Mantic Games KS holds up to this one (since they admittedly are aiming right at the Hero Quest idea).
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Just out of interest (yet to do this myself) how much was postage calculated for you? I'm in New Zealand so am expecting it even more expensive I guess.
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52 euros to the states. The total package shipped (with all the add-ons etc.) will be $217 USD.
Not sure how much "stuff" 52 euros will get me on their shop. Looks like many of the small add-on packs are 10-20 euros.
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:o
I can only hope mine will also be that amount.
Still the money going towards extras is quite cool. Do you know if it can be chucked in with the lot you paid postage on already?
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No idea how it works. I believe they're giving you 52 euros of store credit (why this can't be changed into free shipping I don't know...). I think it works out because they'll be getting more business. Either way it's better than nothing. The game and its contents alone may well be worth the $220. We shall see.
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Anyone heard any news about this lately? Meant to be arrived at people's doors in 5 weeks time.
Edit, actually just noticed they have put up a new Spanish update as of today! English one coming soon I expect.mmust have been telepathy.
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Yep, they've just made an official update here (http://www.heroquestclassic.com/es/) not yet in English.
In short:
- They're nearly done but can't make it in time for Christmas.
- They have published a progress indicator and they will be updating it often from now on:
(http://www.heroquestclassic.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/11/progreso.jpg)
From top to bottom:
- Core rules
- Heroic rules (advanced)
- Adventures
- Miniatures modelling
- Miniature production
- Scenery modelling
- Scenery production
- Illustrations
- Layout
- Printing
- Packing
- Shipping
Also, they will be posting videos explaining the key features of the rules.
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It would be nice to see the progress though wouldn't it. Nearly all the minis have been made yet we've only seen a quarter. If that. I like that they are up front about the date having to be pushed back. I never thought that that date would be kept to myself. A bit too ambitious I think.
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Wait, you mean this is actually still happening? I thought it was banned completely?
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It's happening. They have everything in order, otherwise they would have been taken down by now.
But you know...
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-iXOXcqBaBNQ/UZzlzrxlmUI/AAAAAAAAAxE/ICWSvrjC9q8/s1600/Haters+Gonna+Hate_0dd058_3113024.jpg)
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Yep, the entire project happened (so far) via a Spanish site similar to Kickstarter.
However they've been completely silent for months so no one is taking any bets on when the thing will actually ship. Some bad translation made it a bit more confusing - in July they posted "...at the end of March we'll be sending emails...". So that left a rather large question mark for most of us.
I am sad to say I've emailed them directly a few times with no response (was having issues accessing their site - eventually figured it out).
I've firmly filed this under "just wait and see if a box shows up some time in the next 24 months..." category.
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Wait, you mean this is actually still happening? I thought it was banned completely?
There are some interesting topics on Board Games Geek regarding this. There are differing opinions as to whether it will actually happen or not and that Hasbro may be waiting for an actual physical product to use as evidence in any legal proceedings.
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Some eye-candy. These are masters, not the finished product.
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-fQog_p44fxs/VHXtCFfaZEI/AAAAAAABTNg/J2f2CK6yFLM/s1600/3.JPG)
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-heKXQMp4DyY/VHXtCOhemTI/AAAAAAABTNk/JZlpSE26rGA/s1600/1.JPG)
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/--LPZhpqjJqM/VHX1G1RDRoI/AAAAAAABTOA/pfFCc7FFjhQ/s1600/4.JPG)
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Very nice. Any more?
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Plenty! ;)
All the videos here with "Heroquest" and "Model":
https://www.youtube.com/user/TheGarouden/videos?sort=dd&view=0&shelf_id=0 (https://www.youtube.com/user/TheGarouden/videos?sort=dd&view=0&shelf_id=0)
Bear in mind these are not official and the quality is so so.
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Some eye-candy. These are masters, not the finished product.
They are not masters but rejected copies.
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Absolutely loving those sculpts...and I'm not normally one for crazy goblins, but those look pretty damn cool. :o
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Another video, some miniatures and scenery on a old board: Link (http://youtu.be/bDbqPZVYNmI)
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Interesting. I think I prefer the scenery to the miniatures from what I could see.
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hmmm... the whole thing is looking pretty good... I didn't pledge, but now I'm considering buying the game when it comes out (IF there will be a retail version)
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Another video, some miniatures and scenery on a old board: Link (http://youtu.be/bDbqPZVYNmI)
With ads?
That's sneaky and very profesional...
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With ads?
That's sneaky and very profesional...
It's not official! It's made by "Forja y Desvan" a Spansh blog with a Youtube channel focused on games, miniatures and so.
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I did back it and must say that allthough very little information does show up, that pictures that manage to get through (especially of the scenery) make me very happy. Though combined with the twisting catacombs scenery I might get quite an overload of it and will need more dungeon tiles :D
Maybe MazeQuest (another topic over here) will be another nice addition to the dungeon collection.
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Yep. I'm in for both of them too. Maze quest looks interesting as well.
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Another update on their site in Spanish. Here's a link to the Google translated version.
You should have received this notification in your emails as well.
Basically it's saying make sure you use your HQ voucher code to ensure you get it sent to you.
http://translate.google.co.nz/translate?hl=en&sl=es&u=http://www.heroquestclassic.com/&prev=search
Hopefully the feb 28 date shown means that is when they expect things to be completed by.
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So I have my voucher in the website, should I be using it...or just waiting? I have to say I've been a bit miffed with their lack of interest in updating stuff in English. I speak Spanish, but not fluently enough to get all of the emails/updates on their site.
EDIT: They have the English version on their site (something they haven't done for all the updates before!)
http://www.heroquestclassic.com/en/
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Okay...here's a big f_ing problem. I just tried to log in and place my order, and it doesn't work. There is no boxed game, and it says my voucher expired on 12/31/14!? Anyone else having this problem? This is the first time I've received the damn email.
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Don´t panic!!
Follow the instructions from minute 2:00 here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lRzCEcx0AoA&feature=youtu.be
Tell the staff that your coupon expired, and in a couple of days they´ll update your account. Don´t wait for exchanging it then. And don´t forget to add the post costs (not covered in the voucher).
Emilio.
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I sure hope that's the case. I sent Gamezone several emails last year because I wasn't receiving any email updates. I never heard back from them. I hope this is different. I did use the contact box this morning. Hope it is rectified.
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A new video, this time in english, explaining how to finish your pledge:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YE_38KPZl8c#t=13
Emilio
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My voucher was updated. I was able to get in...and pay the terrible, terrible shipping cost. But, I calculated the entire purchase including their shipping costs so I'm still happy. As long as it shows up, I'll be good to go.
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So, has everything been made for this then? When will you backers be able to receive your pledges?
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$70 NZD for shipping. Still a very good deal though for everything in it. I used my voucher just a few days ago.
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Timbor, essentially it looks like it. Wave 1 (whatever that consists of) must be "locked" by the end of February. I'd expect shipping maybe March/April/May. Some of the videos do show huge bags of minis and molds etc.
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Wait, does it mean nobody has sued them for good? Haven't they run away wih the money either?
How very strange....
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So, has everything been made for this then? When will you backers be able to receive your pledges?
I expect the backer's pledges shall begin to show up in April.
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Wait, does it mean nobody has sued them for good? Haven't they run away wih the money either?
How very strange....
Why?
Wayland games will carry the game in UK, and in France I think Hasbro is in talks with Gamezone.
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If Hasbro wants to protect its HQ IP, they can still take action against GZ. Even if GZ has a trademark in EU, Hasbro could still go after them for trade dress, copyright, and possibly even trademark -- just because you have a claim to IP, doesn't mean the courts will rule otherwise. Hasbro usually goes after a settlement first. Moon Design owns the US Trademark, so, given their behavior during crowdfunding, is more likely to have US customs seize copies of HQ entering the US. GameZone has made little effort to protect its attempts to claim IP protection in the US. I'm guessing that Hasbro hasn't acted yet because they cannot obtain a physical copy to show a judge, and don't care if backers receive their games or not. It's the retail market they would be more interested in.
I can't find the Wayland games announcement anymore. Can you provide a link? I could not find HeroQuest on the Wayland Games website, but HQ25 hasn't been released yet.
Also, I find it odd that HQF said they had a call from Hasbro France to work with GameZone, yet this hasn't been publicized nor written permission demonstrated.
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It's now up for pre-order. If you pre-order as well you can get Morcar (or Zargon) for free.
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I can't find the Wayland games announcement anymore. Can you provide a link? I could not find HeroQuest on the Wayland Games website, but HQ25 hasn't been released yet.
This was announced by gamezone. Not in Wayland web yet.
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This was announced by gamezone. Not in Wayland web yet.
Where's the link to the GameZone announcement? I can't find it.
The GameZone announcement I found (now) says "international distributors", not naming Wayland specifically.
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Because Gamezone annoucements are unoficial, made by these guys in their youtube channel:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cqzpJPoO_4Q
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And here it says it clearly:
http://www.heroquestclassic.com/se-inicia-la-preventa-de-heroquest-25o-aniversario/
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Latest update from the 6th April, it's in Spanish but here is the translated version. It shows all the available heroes (just the art though which is a bit disappointing).
http://translate.google.co.nz/translate?hl=en&sl=es&u=http://www.heroquestclassic.com/heroes-fe-de-erratas-y-un-breve-descanso/&prev=search
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Here you are some of them:
Wizard, table and Vampire Queen: https://youtu.be/-NawG8S4TZU?list=PLuRU8zrp5URr1carORpewuV5TaqaIjZwK (https://youtu.be/-NawG8S4TZU?list=PLuRU8zrp5URr1carORpewuV5TaqaIjZwK)
Barbarian and levers: https://youtu.be/fEu02VUhgQQ?list=PLuRU8zrp5URr1carORpewuV5TaqaIjZwK (https://youtu.be/fEu02VUhgQQ?list=PLuRU8zrp5URr1carORpewuV5TaqaIjZwK)
Dwarf female, Vampire Queen and statue: https://youtu.be/OBIVzZ_H-es?list=PLuRU8zrp5URr1carORpewuV5TaqaIjZwK (https://youtu.be/OBIVzZ_H-es?list=PLuRU8zrp5URr1carORpewuV5TaqaIjZwK)
Huntress: https://youtu.be/jX94c8_KIZk?list=PLuRU8zrp5URr1carORpewuV5TaqaIjZwK (https://youtu.be/jX94c8_KIZk?list=PLuRU8zrp5URr1carORpewuV5TaqaIjZwK)
Tracker: https://youtu.be/omWhIxMjng8?list=PLuRU8zrp5URr1carORpewuV5TaqaIjZwK (https://youtu.be/omWhIxMjng8?list=PLuRU8zrp5URr1carORpewuV5TaqaIjZwK)
dwarf Erradicator: https://youtu.be/PkmJiRipkUg?list=PLuRU8zrp5URr1carORpewuV5TaqaIjZwK (https://youtu.be/PkmJiRipkUg?list=PLuRU8zrp5URr1carORpewuV5TaqaIjZwK)
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So, is there any idea of a release date yet? Will it be available to non-kickstarter people?
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Not sure. There had been mention about shipping late Feb...obviously that never occurred. I'm just patiently waiting to see the end result. (shrug)
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So, is there any idea of a release date yet? Will it be available to non-kickstarter people?
Yep, there is a pre-sale campaign before the retail version is released:
http://www.e-minis.net/heroquest-25-aniversario/heroquest-25th-annyversary-good-wizard-english-edition-p-71528.html (http://www.e-minis.net/heroquest-25-aniversario/heroquest-25th-annyversary-good-wizard-english-edition-p-71528.html)
About releasing dates, rumours say June/July.
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Which will mean August september. ;)
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It may well be so. Some people call it 26th Anniversary edition already :P
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Update translated from the facebook page with pictures of the board.
New update official HQ 25 th anniversary!
It has been quite since the last time you others we teach the board game heroquest 25 th anniversary but we believe that the effort that we have invested in he has borne fruit. Recapitulando a little bit about this topic remember that we are talking about a board of double face with the dungeon classic on the one hand and a few foreign ruins on the other. In addition, as a complement optional, we have a board modular, also double-face, that arises from the butchers of the dungeon classic and that account with a twist on the other side.
In many cases this second face of modular board only reflects an illustration alternative but in other we talk about stays completely different with a direct effect on the development of the game. So for example, the central room of the board happens to be a dangerous well with a narrow edge around them while some stretches of hallway are flooded delaying the progress of our heroes.
For a variety even greater, finally we had three pieces extras with a total of six rooms special that you can use to change the board basis or next to the board modular to expand its boundaries of the way prefiráis. But that is not everything, and here comes the surprise.
While Terminábamos of defining the boards we tried many different types of division between rooms, from simple lines to a number of ridiculously lengthy walls. We were trying to find a style that in certain scenarios would allow us to indicate what sections of wall were derruidas to unite stays between if, but finally found the solution in our specialty, the miniature.
That is why we can confirmaros since the box from heroquest 25 th anniversary will include without additional cost a sufficient number of pieces of escenografía of street corners semiderruidas; markers that signal walls sobrepasables and that obstruct partially that line of vision but do not hinder. We hope you like the idea, as we do with that encontréis the boards the end of your liking...
Source: http://www.heroquestclassic.com/tablero-final-y-una-sorpre…/
Link to the page with pics
http://www.heroquestclassic.com/tablero-final-y-una-sorpresa/
Or
https://www.facebook.com/HeroQuestClassic?ref=ts&fref=ts
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I think the optional modular option is a nice touch - that'll open it up to a ton of people - particularly if the rules support creating your own dungeon. In essence I could play Hero Quest in my Dwarven Forge stuff it seems. That'll be cool.
I just hope we get the product - that's all I'm concerned about at the moment, and I agree with the 26th anniversary joke. lol
PS: I'll add that I really like the simplicity they stuck with in doing the modular boards and cards. I think somewhere between this and Warhammer Quest is about right for modular tiles. I think the upcoming Dungeon Saga cards look like an absolute train wreck by comparison - they went really over the top with the art applied to the boards, and in doing so kind of made the game look worse in my opinion.
(http://quirkworthy.files.wordpress.com/2014/08/ds-tiles.jpg)
^Dungeon Saga style tiles which are waaaaaay too busy for me. I understand the idea is that they're to provide some 3D effects but I think it looks pretty bad. Stick to doors and treasure as 3D items and I'm fine with much simpler tiles.
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As a fan since childhood, I really, really want this game to succeed; But it's so confusing! Half of the actual info is in Spanish, which certainly does not help.
There seem to be three versions of the game:
1) Crowdfunded version (through a Spanish Kickstarter clone)
2) Limited edition preorder (Apparently you can now pre-order through a more reliable source rather than from gamezone directly: http://goo.gl/u5tO7P )
3) Retail version
What are the differences between versions though? Will the limited edition still be available after the retail version ships? Will the game ever ship - it's been seemingly delay, dispute, delay, no info for ages, delay, dispute... urgh.
Additionally, not a lot is known about the rules. We've seen a couple of miniatures (which look GREAT!) but rumor has it that the rules are pretty much non existant and the game provides a sandbox style ruleset to make your own game with.
Can someone shed a little light on the matter?
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We have seen more than a couple miniatures, to be fair.
Last summer there was a leaked beta version of the rules in Spanish, Gamezone has confirmed they are done by now (a couple months ago they were finishing the advanced rules and finishing playtesting missions).
Limited edition is only for crowfunding and pre-order (it's the same), after that only the retail version will be available.
And currently there is a huge delay, but no legal dispute.
EDITED: There is strong rumor coming from shops, apparently the pre-order version will hit the shelves 30th July (and Gamezone did promise the crowfunding version would be shipped before preorders).
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Yes, you're right about the miniatures after some research we've seen a fair bit more than I thought; And I still think they look great. Do you think that now is a good time to preorder?
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Yes, I think so!
Gamezone has said they'll be launching a new crowfunding for the first HQ expansion next Christmas. Now that they have the experience and equipment to produce it at home, the idea is getting all the miniature desgns beforehand to speed up production.
Space Crusade would be next...
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Apparently it's closer to completion that ever. So is Christmas (except last Christmas).
New info on their page.
http://www.heroquestclassic.com/en/
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That'd be nice...if it's true. While I've been happy with the pics I've seen etc., the lack of communication has been really bad.
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Yep. That's been terrible. I'm still holding out hope though.
On the plus side communication has always been terrible so it's not like some crowd funding that have stopped talking because of bad news.
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Some eye candy...
(http://www.fanhammer.org/v2/wp-content/uploads/2015/09/sierpe1.jpg)
That's the gargoyle and the "sierpe" (some kind of big nasty snake/worm).
There are rumours about the sierpe having a modular body so it can be assembled to fit the movement through corridors.
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I've ben losing hope with this lately. The Sierpe looks great and I want it!
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I've all but given up on the game...with a simple hope it shows up sometime before I die. At the moment it's making a strong case for the longest delayed KS I've backed (current record: Robotech Kickstarter).
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Whatever happend to the legal aspects of this? They actually got permission to print a new Heroquest or did they just give the IP owners the finger and carried on? ???
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I think it was never sorted out properly. That means that they are allowed to sell it in Spain but not overseaes. How that works with international orders, I don't know :D There was talk of US Buyers having to fear customs seizing their game boxes, but then again, this is the internet and even if it's a viable claim, I bet US Customs are more concerned with drugs and weapons than board games :D
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Yep, essentially the IP owner only owned the rights within the US, which is why they couldn't do a Kickstarter and went with the Spanish crowdfunding. Now in "theory" that would allow them to ship a product to the US. So we'll see.
I still maintain they should have made it "Quest of Heroes" or something very tongue and cheek, and then made no effort to hide it was a Hero Quest 25th anniversary project. I suppose by the time it gets here they'll have to reprint it for the 30th Anniversary.
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http://www.heroquestclassic.com/meet-the-kraken/
Is this good news? Have to wait and see I guess but it looks like they have now hired someone "The Kraken" to communicate with funders.
Shots of the warheouse full of minis is quite nice to see at least. TBH if I get this I'll be happy. At the moment I'm resigned to not seeing this.
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That is good news and frightening news.
On one hand, it's nice to see some movement. I dare say encouraging.
On the other hand, why in the flying horse f___ would you now...after two years...decide that maybe you need a PR person/team for a huge multi-national million-dollar Kickstarter project? When I signed up for HQ25 I looked into Gamezone and was suitably impressed with their figures, website etc. Figured they were a reasonable gaming company. Two years in with all of what, five sporadic useless website updates and you decide that maybe you need to communicate with backers? That's beyond absurd.
I'll be honest, I don't have a problem waiting 2 years for a Kickstarter. I really don't. As I've said numerous times, I buy into KS and just assume at some undetermined point in the future a large parcel will show up. I fully understand design changes, production delays, factory issues, company restructuring, economic woes, materials price changes...I get it. However, communicate with us. That is literally ALL we ask. If stuff is going to shite, tell us. We know the risks, we bought into the KS.
Palladium, for example has botched its Robotech KS a pretty good bit. We've received half and now they're re-designing some of the second wave due to feedback on the first and mentioning a "relaunch" later next year. It's been 2-3 years. Granted we all have a load of stuff to get started on, but I'm okay with it because they're at least communicating frequently with backers.
I'm still hugely anxious to get HQ25 but this kind of behavior and absolute lack of project management means I won't be going near Gamezone for anything in the future lest it's an add-on or something available from a retailer in the U.S., and in stock.
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Why, if he is doing this in good faith, and the object of this excercise is restore backer confidence, does the "PR man" have to hide behind a pseudonym?
It's not exactly a reassuring way to do things...
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Why, if he is doing this in good faith, and the object of this excercise is restore backer confidence, does the "PR man" have to hide behind a pseudonym?
It's not exactly a reassuring way to do things...
Agreed. My immediate reaction is that this could well be someone with something to hide - ie. a name that is already known in the community, not for positive reasons, that everyone will run from.
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What's the guy from Defiance Games doing these days?
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Wahahahahaha LOL! That's just evil...
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The update didn't really say anything either did it. Only inferring that more updates will be coming.
If they had done this at the start then they would likely have more money because people would have been able to see he goods and and have backed later rather than not at all.
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We are organizing through a Facebook group. First we have already sent a official communication demanding detailed information about the current status of the project, release date and monthly updates as a previous step to sue him.
We do know most ministures are done already, but no word about rules and all cardboard have not been printed yet.
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Do you have a link to the FB group?
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http://www.heroquestclassic.com/mentor-awake/
Wow, followed through on he comment! Things may be looking up, however I was hoping for more info on shipment, production etc.
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Wow! More updates in the past 2 weeks than almost all of the rest of the year.
2 updates today.
http://www.heroquestclassic.com/en/
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This is still positive news...as best as can be hoped for I suppose.
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In the meantime, there is a kickstarter for a videogame inspired by HeroQuest:
Dark Quest Dark Quest 2 (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/brainseal/dark-quest-2/description)
(https://ksr-ugc.imgix.net/assets/005/251/609/d34e595c7b42c4fa24cde60ee4fe99df_original.png?v=1453810599&w=680&fit=max&auto=format&lossless=true&s=18ac68c29045cabf71b23185b8c3cff0)
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In the meantime, there is a kickstarter for a videogame inspired by HeroQuest:
Dark Quest (https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/brainseal/dark-quest-2/description)
Dark Quest 2 actually. There is a version of it available for purchase now but it uses 2d graphics instead of the 3d in the upcoming version.
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That looks cool
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Dark Quest 2 actually. There is a version of it available for purchase now but it uses 2d graphics instead of the 3d in the upcoming version.
Right. Dark Quest 1 was a mobile game as far as I understand.
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Hmmm interesting.
(A few more updates on the heroquest classic site too I see)
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Yeah, there seem to be some minor updates every couple of weeks now. The sad part is, the updates very much appear to be "a few months after a KS is funded" style. Introducing characters and such. It's a bit late in the game for that nonsense.
At this point, it's safe to say all backers would be far more interested in production timelines, factory pictures, planned release schedules, etc.
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Yes. At least though it shows they aren't giving up on it. Although it may be a lost cause.
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Lanzanos has finally opened a channel of communication between backers and Gamezone. If you are a backer, you have to log on in the project page and in the upper part you'll find a new menu called "Privado".
Please leave a message for Gamezone there asking them to allow the audit and give us a delivery date.
Login into Lanzanos, go to your profile and from here to your supported projects. Here you will see the HQ25th. Click on it and you'll be in the project page, the go to updates and there you'll see something called "private". Here it is.
The audit would be made by backers going to Gamezone workshop with the aim of checking the current developping status of every single game item. If Gamezone declines, Lanzanos will support us in taking legal actions against Gamezone.
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Just put my message in.
I don't want this to fail, I want my boardgame.
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Yep, I'll be hopping on that. They're posting little videos every couple of days/weeks now on their page, but this is all stuff that should have been posted...(at this point) years ago. They're way behind the damn power curve on this.
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Well if anyone here speaks Spanish and would like to see an interview with Dionisio, here's the link.
Better yet, if you could put a brief summary here that would be great, but can fully understand if you don't as the interview is over an hour long.
http://www.heroquestclassic.com/interview-with-dionisio/
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While it ended up in the spam folder for a lot of U.S. emails, the president of Lanzanos (the Spanish crowd-funding site) was a nice touch a week or so ago. He basically apologized and said they'd been in contact with GameZone and that it was the most delayed/worst experience any of their customers have claimed since the site opened. He provided his own email address and set up a direct line to GameZone etc.
Sounds like GameZone won't be running any more crowd-funding projects on their site. It's nice to know that we're not alone in our frustration.
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So what is everyone's take at the moment? I got the 4th communication email from the president of Lazanos the crowd-funding site and it looks like some legal action may begin if the folks at Gamezone don't start getting their act together.
I read the whole email but it was poorly translated (and my Spanish isn't "that" good). Anyone?
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Did you read this post on BGG or Dakka?
One of the spanish backers took the initiative to visit Dionysio in Seville and this is the result of his visit (in short, Dionysio lives in a state of denial and keeps working at his own stuggeringly slow pace).
'This is a translation of Juan Jose Gutierrez Gonzalez visit to GAMEZONE. 02 JUN 2016 I'll try to keep it as close to the original, sorry for any grammar error my english is a bit rusty.
THE TRANSLATION:
Hello everyone. I said I was not going to say anymore news about HQ25 matter, since the last news from lanzanos about the more than possible plaint to gamezone, in wich they will send us (backers) an email telling us hows, times, and possibilities for civil or penal way, I decided to go to gamezone with my friend Joaquin Lopez, in order to fire, as you would say the last bullet.
The intention of our visit was to make clear, cristal clear, the actual situation of many backers by playing as the spokesman of "quiero mi HQ25 (I want my HQ25) facebook group, and to make clear that the situation that we are into, it's not just black, is just that the deep empty space void is clearer than the situation we face, I hope I made my self understand.
Well, let me explain. We arrived to gamezone's workshop quite early this morning. After going around like seven times with the car we miraculously found the paking and got to the workshop door about 11:15. Dionisio wasn't there. Isabel wellcome us (I must insist, she does exist in flesh and bone), and tell us that she will call Dionisio in order to know if he was going to came to he workshop or not. After a while she said that he didn't pretend to go that day to the workshop, but since we were already there he will come by to talk to us.
At 12:20 Dionisio apearer. He told us that he was preciselly working on the adventures, but he came to see us. We enter the workshop and started talking about the game.
At first the conversation was about the lack of info and the plaint that is about to be real, since he doesn't accept a production audit. Well I'll try to give you a summary of the important things of the conversation.
We told him that the last updates are not enough, and the lack of showing real stuff that the backers want. What backers want is info of the actual ongoing of the proyect, not the minis they are showing. That lanzanos asked for an audit and GZ refused and that's what has triggered the plaint.
I told him that he is not answering the phone of lanzanos's CEO, and that Goro himself has told me that he wants to talk to him many times. He insisted that is not like that, he had a big huge argumet with lanzanos personal about the audit. since that day the communication with lanzanos has been practically none, but he insist that it's not his fault.
Hearing this, I told him that I had Goro's number (lanzanos) in my phone, and had the permission to put him through right away. He told me that Goro has his number and that if he doesn't call it's because he doesn't want, I insisted again to call Goro from my phone (actually many times), but he considered it not necessary. If Goro wants to call me, he can do it, he said.
We started talking about the amount of people that voted, info or sueing, and that from lanzanos mail there was more than 1800 people, others 274 wanted to sue no matter the info, and that only a little percentage about 14, were willing to wait.
He asked me where I got those numbers, I told him, from lanzanos, their mail with the results of the voting. At this point he insisted again and again that those numbers were nor real, and that only a small amount of people were thinking in sueing.
I told him that I WAS one of the ones willing to sue, that there are many more than 40 people. He kept saing that there were not that many, that those numbers were not real or were manipulated. I kept telling him that the feeling on the internet is that there is many people angry and that they DO want to sue.
He told me that he thinks it's a smoke curtain from lanzanos and he didn't belive lanzanos would pay for the sueing. I told him that lanzanos was indeed going to pay for the sueing, he incredulous asked me were I heard that from, I told him that lanzanos wrote that on the mail sent to the backers.
At this point Dionisio's anger went up another level. We started to repeat things to each other again and again until I realized I was nearly shouting, so I stoped a bit in order to solve anything.
What I could make clear so far, is that Dionision is living in a denial state about the outside news, and he is only aware of what he thinks is happeing. He sees what he wants to see.
Then he introduced us to Rockor, he was on the workshop (he wasn't there for the minis) he had personals issues in Sevilla and came to the workshop just to say hi, pure coincidence.
We four started talking about the game, and the delay. He told me that he didn't say an official release date, I told him that they did say Nov 2014, and that when we talked to him (august), he told me personally (and those with me) that he hoped to release the game before christmas 2015, and after that, when I came back that february was to close, but maybe march or april 2016, and after the last interview he said that on christmas 2016 we will be more that bored of playing with the game.
I told him that was totally oposite from what he is saying right now, ahe said that dates were estimate and that there can allways be problems in production that can delay the date. I insisted again, we have been waiting for two years, and it seems that is going to be three, it's more than enough time for the backers to get angry since there is no official info. Again I needed to stop because I was getting angry.
We insisted again that he has to give proper info of the actual situation of the proyect or he is going to have a very big problem.
He kept insinting that the updates are those they planned, we told him that the updates are insufficient. We need to know how is the proyect and if there is something missing, that many backers are asking for that info and a audit to prove it. The same old thing over and over.
We decided to stop for a moment I need to smoke to relax a bit. We went outside and keep talking in a more distended way.
I talked with Rockor of others proyects, like skull tale, AvP, or zombicide black plague, and what happened with those proyects in order to compare them to HQ25, what was done well and bad with them and how to avoid the same mistakes with HQ25.
We went inside to the workshop again, because Dionisio wanted to show us the actual state of the proyect, that it's not stuck and that theres is people working on it.
WHAT WE SAW:
People are still working on it. They have a huge ammount of minis ready in plastics bags. Those minis are ready to be put inside the HQ25 box for the delivery. I could see at least two persons working on takeing away the burrs. There were more people but I did not see what the others were doing).
As we could see the proyect is going forward. I can't explain the amount of boxes full of stuff but they were a great deal. That was a really good thing to see.
WHAT DIONISIO TOLD US:
He insisted again that they have a second garage, and he offered to let us see it, but my friend had personal things to do, and we could not accept the offer.
He told us that they are focused on logistics, in order to coordinate everything when the box arrive, and the prints, and making a chain production with the transport of minis a real headache.
IMPORTANT:
The rules are finnish. there are not going to be any changes. I asked about the adventures books and he told me that they are finnishing both at the same time, that there are about 150 missions, and that he was working on them when we arriven to the workshop.
MY friend asked for the miniatures, if there was any not finished. He say yes, there are some, the hard ones, that are giving problems with the proper gamming, because they are very big, that they are finishing those problems and that they will be ready to mass production soon.
He said that he had complete done, tested and aproved mor than 3.000.000 of minis, most of them already bagged.
About the print. nothing has been sent yet. He insisted that this is for logistic, they expect that the total of print will be 10 trailers, so they have to coordinate everything at the same time.
He says that he could have released the game in december 2015 but only the shop version before the backers version, and that didn't seem right for the backers.
We talked again about this, and how zombicide black plague did that, so he decided not to send the shop version before the backer version.
ENDING:
We kept talking and he even acompany us to our car in order to talk some more in a much calm way. We talk about the need of telling the backers how is the proyect, but he is convinced that there will allways be a sector of people that will still be angry with gamezone no matter what he does.
He told him that's inevitable, but most of the backers don't have any blame neither the responsability and still want that info.
As an example we told him about the mini list that Joaquin Lopez made, the ones that have been shown and the ones that not and how the people liked it, even that a fellow of the group made a web page where you could see the minis done and the picture on the side.
Last, I gave him my mail and he told me he'll send his personal mail in order to be in touch. for what? well for keeping him updated about the reunions with lanzanos and the backers, so he could be there on skype since he says that lanzanos doesn't tell him anything. I insisted in asking for his phone number, but he only agreed with the mail.
CONCLUSION:
The project is going forward, slowly, maddening but going forward. They don't seem to be worried at all about the rumor of lack of money, they actually seem pretty calm.
The news on the demand and the amount of people behind has been the biggest issue, seems like he doesn't believe it. You can almost feel the displease with lanzanos. And I hope that this touch of attention will open his eyes for the big problem he is going to face. I hope.
Well that all the summary of the visit. I'm sure I leave things behind, but been totally honest I'm almost blind for all the writing.
As I'm sure many of you will have doubts and questions about the visit, as allways I'll try to answer all of you the best I can.'
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Okay, that's basically a better translation of the email I received (which auto-translated). Still seems like a piss-poor result. I will be genuinely amazed if anything is ever delivered here.
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I'm not holding my breath. If anything arrives I'll be surprised and happy. Updates keep happening on the Heroquestclassic site but I'd actually like to see what all the minis look like... and how do some people seem to be getting copies of the minis to paint up. They are obviously not professional painters, they look more like my standard of painting, which isn't great. Did I miss out on something there or was it just not publicised?
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They always hand out miniatures to random friends of theirs to paint...showing off stuff instead of actually delivering ANY information to backers or the people putting up all the money. There have been videos of random minis from the game since about the beginning - when they were notably absent and didn't update the website but maybe once every six months.
It's not a good sign when the lead of the project seems delusional to the Lanzanos folks. While the occasional factory photo has leaked out, the game is still maybe 2+ years now behind schedule with absolutely zero information on a possible release date. The website is now releasing weekly videos which are weak sauce YouTube videos explaining the game mechanics.
I will be thoroughly amazed if I receive a large box with all of the contents promised/planned on the Kickstarter. The absurd shipping I already paid for will likely NOT be refunded with in-store credit like was originally promised. I'd love to be proven wrong, but Gamezone (despite being a pretty respectable manufacturer prior to the Kickstarter) will never be getting another cent from me in the future. I've lucked out on most of my Kickstarters - this and the continuation of Robotech have been the two worst ones.
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I"m going to disagree with the "respectable" part. GZ was pretty much only Dionysius. His in-house sculptor left. The distributor (and accused recaster) e-Mini's supposedly backed him up. GZ itself was known for casting "grey IP" Games Workshop models. Basically, similar designs, better sculpts, lower prices. That in itself isn't bad, but the mini's were meant to be used in Warhammer Fantasy games, even using similar names. No wonder Games Workshop killed off its Warhammer Fantasy line, of the generic fantasy Olde World, replacing it with the more IP-protectable Age of Sigmar factions.
https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2015/jul/17/warhammer-beginners-guide-games-workshop-age-of-sigmar
http://www.belloflostsouls.net/2015/06/age-of-sigmar-so-whats-in-a-name.html
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Suffice to say Gamezone didn't have (that I could find) any history of taking money and cheating people.
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I don't think they did, unless you mean taking away sales from GW. For me, that's a yellow flag, since it shows a company that disregards the IP of another company.
Anyway, Chris just posted this on BGG:
BREAKING NEWS. A lawsuit has been given to the courts from a HQ25 backer along with someone from the Darkstone forum lothario for the 18th of July! The judge has agreed on "update with the state of the project, production schedule of remaining pieces and delivery date which should be prior to 2017".
(Señores, noticias frescas del compañero Lotario del foro Darkstone. Han admitido a trámite la demanda que presentó señalando vista para el 18 de julio! Y han acordado medidas cautelares, literalmente por Lotario: "actualizar la web con el estado del proyecto, calendario de producción de piezas restantes y fecha de entrega que debe ser anterior a 2017".)
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I don't think they did, unless you mean taking away sales from GW. For me, that's a yellow flag, since it shows a company that disregards the IP of another company.
TBH How many companies fall into this category? Lots, and many of them reputable. Heresy miniatures have some things very similar to plague bearers, and including some of their spare heads range they could be clones. Hasslefree have their grymn which fill the squat void (very different aesthetic though I would say so that is a bit of a stretch). I should go on but there is chaos in the kitchen at the moment so must stop typing (or else feel the wrath of my wife). Kromlech are another one along with Chapter House.
Not really sure what good a lawsuit will do to be honest. If the money is gone we have hope of getting it back. If it is still there then it will just be eaten away by legal fees. I guess it would stop them doing the same thing again if they have frittered the cash away.
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TBH How many companies fall into this category? Lots, and many of them reputable. Heresy miniatures have some things very similar to plague bearers, and including some of their spare heads range they could be clones. Hasslefree have their grymn which fill the squat void (very different aesthetic though I would say so that is a bit of a stretch). I should go on but there is chaos in the kitchen at the moment so must stop typing (or else feel the wrath of my wife). Kromlech are another one along with Chapter House.
Reputable? Call me a boardgamer, but making money off of someone else's IP isn't reputable.
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That accounts for maybe 70% of the entire gaming industry, if we consider LOTR or Warhammer Fantasy or D&D as "owning" the ideas of general fantasy etc. There are loads upon loads of companies making alternate models for major game systems.
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GW took almost all their ideas from other people who were there long before they existed. The main difference is that they registered them as IP.
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GW took almost all their ideas from other people who were there long before they existed. The main difference is that they registered them as IP.
Yeah, that's what you should do. In fact, because GW cannot defend its Warhammer IP against companies making money off of them, they've canned their entire Warhammer Olde World line.
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That accounts for maybe 70% of the entire gaming industry, if we consider LOTR or Warhammer Fantasy or D&D as "owning" the ideas of general fantasy etc. There are loads upon loads of companies making alternate models for major game systems.
70%? Ridiculous. It certainly doesn't count for 70% of the boardgame industry, where creators have their own ideas. I'm not talking *your* definition of "own". I'm talking IP here. You can make a game with "elves" because it's an idea and laws don't protect ideas. You cannot make a game with Eldar because it's someone else's IP. The difficult part of IP enforcement is distinguishing ideas vs. IP. But GZ, as I understand it, made not just similar models, but used similar names for their models. I'm sure GW's lawyers told GW that GW's implementation of generic fantasy was *not* well-protected by IP laws, so GW did the only prudent thing and destroyed their universe utterly, replacing it with the Age of Sigmar universe, whose names had stronger IP protection. Yeah, I'm sure everyone who bought GW-compatible miniatures was happy about that.
EDIT: Moreover if, say, Heresy or Chapterhouse ran a crowdfunding project of their own IP, would you back it? Then how about if they were to run a crowdfunding project that was connected to a company whose IP they did not have written permission but said they had permission to run? Why? What is the difference between the two situations?
More from Chris:
'First:
The judge has set the date to go to declare on July 18th.
He orders to game zone to update the web with the real status of the project, explain the pieces wich aren't done by now and to set a date of the game release, it must be sent to us before 2017.
Second:
A judge has declared admissible the reclamation from a customer and has ordered some cautionary actions (not sure about the translation, are actions that the person accused has to fulfill just in case the accuser finally win). The cautionary actions (that are mandatory) are: update the website with project status, production calendar of the figurines and a final delivery date that should be before 2017 (this year).'
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I guess I find it funny that you think there are almost any genuine IPs left in this world to worry about this so much. lol
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I guess I find it funny that you think there are almost any genuine IPs left in this world to worry about this so much. lol
No funnier than what GZ backers are going through!
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Hey, we all made our bed...and we shall be sleeping in it. I've been fortunate on most of my Kickstarters. It's a risk I agreed to when I paid in. :?
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Hey, we all made our bed...and we shall be sleeping in it. I've been fortunate on most of my Kickstarters. It's a risk I agreed to when I paid in. :?
Gotcha. Well, you have Lazanos on your side, which is more than KickStarter ever does!
Good luck on July 18th!
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I will say, my mind would be truly blown if we actually get a fully promised product...even in two years time. I'm not holding my breath. lol
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Yeah, that's what you should do. In fact, because GW cannot defend its Warhammer IP against companies making money off of them, they've canned their entire Warhammer Olde World line.
Following your example about eldars, have you noticed that eldar is the way elves called themselves in Lotr? And who invented the eight pointed Star of Chaos? Do you know that, when planning an Elric film, they said the symbol of chaos could not be used because it was GW's IP although no one discussed that it was Moorcock's invention?
And now tell me: how is it possible that a megacorp like GW was selling worse sculpted, plastic (not lead) miniatures at a higher prize than GZ or other similar, smaller companies? They have economy of scale on their side (how many times is GW bigger than GZ?), so that should never have happened. You can say that production costs in Spain are smaller, but how much? It's not China-like to be precise. And there are companies from all over the World producing fantasy miniatures...
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Following your example about eldars, have you noticed that eldar is the way elves called themselves in Lotr? And who invented the eight pointed Star of Chaos? Do you know that, when planning an Elric film, they said the symbol of chaos could not be used because it was GW's IP although no one discussed that it was Moorcock's invention?
You have to protect your IP. If you take no action against someone who may be violating it, they may even claim it as their own, as GW evidently is doing.
And now tell me: how is it possible that a megacorp like GW was selling worse sculpted, plastic (not lead) miniatures at a higher prize than GZ or other similar, smaller companies? They have economy of scale on their side (how many times is GW bigger than GZ?), so that should never have happened. You can say that production costs in Spain are smaller, but how much? It's not China-like to be precise. And there are companies from all over the World producing fantasy miniatures...
How is this relevant to IP protection? And does GZ really need to use another entity's IP (HeroQuest) to sell their miniatures?
We're close to a second page of a tangent, here. I was stating my internet research on GZ prior to its HQ25 project, of which "grey IP" was a *minor* point.
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70%? Ridiculous. It certainly doesn't count for 70% of the boardgame industry, where creators have their own ideas. I'm not talking *your* definition of "own". I'm talking IP here. You can make a game with "elves" because it's an idea and laws don't protect ideas. You cannot make a game with Eldar because it's someone else's IP. The difficult part of IP enforcement is distinguishing ideas vs. IP. But GZ, as I understand it, made not just similar models, but used similar names for their models. I'm sure GW's lawyers told GW that GW's implementation of generic fantasy was *not* well-protected by IP laws, so GW did the only prudent thing and destroyed their universe utterly, replacing it with the Age of Sigmar universe, whose names had stronger IP protection. Yeah, I'm sure everyone who bought GW-compatible miniatures was happy about that.
EDIT: Moreover if, say, Heresy or Chapterhouse ran a crowdfunding project of their own IP, would you back it? Then how about if they were to run a crowdfunding project that was connected to a company whose IP they did not have written permission but said they had permission to run? Why? What is the difference between the two situations?
More from Chris:
Games workshop isn't really in the boardgames industry although they make and made some boardgames. They are in the miniatures industry, tabletop gaming. Although you could argue that has changed over the years. Yes this is about a board game but it uses their fantast world created for a tabletop game. Elder is not a term unique to GW either.
I have backed a heresy is using their own IP and have been very happy with it. I'd have to say they only have the one thing that really looks GW, and I would back them again in a heartbeat.
Not really sure the point you are trying to make in that last paragraph.
Lol, just realised i missed reading his page, so I'm a bit late to the game. Oops
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Games workshop isn't really in the boardgames industry although they make and made some boardgames. They are in the miniatures industry, tabletop gaming. Although you could argue that has changed over the years. Yes this is about a board game but it uses their fantast world created for a tabletop game. Elder is not a term unique to GW either.
I have backed a heresy is using their own IP and have been very happy with it. I'd have to say they only have the one thing that really looks GW, and I would back them again in a heartbeat. Not really sure the point you are trying to make in that last paragraph.
I didn't mean to refer only to GW when I meant boardgames. What I meant to say was that my background was with boardgames (eg. rolling dice and pushing plastic and cubes on boards) more than miniature skirmish games, and boardgamers (ie. BoardGameGeek) are more concerned with IP than (some) miniature skirmish gamers. While Eldar (not Elder, of course) is a term not unique to GW, IP law might protect GW's expression of an Eldar miniature.
As for my last paragraph, it's there to probe how aware you are about IP litigation. We're talking about HeroQuest 25th, so, IMO, it doesn't matter whose "idea" something is. What matters is how much risk a project has, and it doesn't look like you understand the potential impact of legal action on a crowdfunded project. Moon Design's complaint to KickStarter alone pushed the HQ25 project off the worlds' largest crowdfunding's site.
The Heresy crowdfunding project using Heresy's IP has less risk than one that were to use IP that looks like GW, because the latter is more subject to GW legal action than the former is. Since we're talking HeroQuest 25th edition, for GameZone, had GameZone used their own IP (eg. a line of generic fantasy miniatures), they would not be at risk of legal action (in the United States) from Moon Design, which owns the HeroQuest trademark ("“Heroquest” is the registered US trademark of Moon Design and is the name of our “Heroquest” roleplaying game and assorted products."). Of course, whether or not GZ can sell HQ25 in the USA is another matter, but if MD decides to litigate against GZ, the cost of litigation alone may (or may not) impact the delivery of HQ25 to US backers, regardless of court rulings. As a US backer, I would like to minimize my risk in a crowdfunded project, and exposing a project to potential litigation does *not* do this.
Of course, if you're outside of the USA, enjoy your copy of HQ25!
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I was aware of the IP issues. Which is why GZ didn't use Fimir in their version of the game as that (although taken from Fimm or fomorians) is definitely GW IP. As you stated the trademark for Heroquest is owned by moon designs in USA which is why GZ could use it in Spain as the trademark didn't extend to there.
Saying that I still don't understand the point of the last paragraph. The difference was fairly obvious. Maybe I'm interpreting it a different way to your intent?
Also the Heresy Crowdfunding wasn't anything to do with GW IP. Just to make that clear, although you could use things in a GW setting much as you could any miniature from any manufacturer.
Elder was a bad autocorrect, I meant to write Eldar. you'd be pretty hard pressed to get any copyright on that lol
Of course, if you're outside of the USA, enjoy your copy of HQ25!
If it ever gets out of Spain lol but thanks :)
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I was aware of the IP issues. Which is why GZ didn't use Fimir in their version of the game as that (although taken from Fimm or fomorians) is definitely GW IP. As you stated the trademark for Heroquest is owned by moon designs in USA which is why GZ could use it in Spain as the trademark didn't extend to there.
Saying that I still don't understand the point of the last paragraph. The difference was fairly obvious. Maybe I'm interpreting it a different way to your intent?
Also the Heresy Crowdfunding wasn't anything to do with GW IP. Just to make that clear, although you could use things in a GW setting much as you could any miniature from any manufacturer.
fwiw, I think not using Fimir lowers the chance of an IP dispute, but doesn't negate it, nor does ownership of a trademark. There's also "trade dress" which may (or may not!) protect a property. Frex, something like a chain opening some restaurants in Spain had a trade dress dispute because a British restaurant chain claimed the interior design of the restaurants looked like those of the British chain, who said they intended (but didn't have) restaurants in Spain. IIRC, The dispute had to be appealed because the lower court upheld the Spanish claim. Crazy.
The stuff in the last paragraph ("EDIT:") was a hypothetical case of two projects which differed based on IP, and to see if you understood that they differed on their levels of risk because the former project (Heresy owns its IP) was not subject to litigation, but the latter project (Heresy is using another company's IP without permission) was, so had a higher level of risk. KS is not a store, and potential backers need to know what can make a project risky. Potential litigation increases risk.
As for the autocorrect (: we have lawsuits in the USA over a word like Apple! It's even crazier here. (:
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lol, yep, Apple seems so generic really when you think about it, going to buy an apple vs going to buy an Apple. I'm not really in disagreement with what you are saying it's just an interesting topic.
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Well there's pics of Chaos Warriors up now along with some of the terrain pieces.
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Latest news from Lanzanos
Hello Heroquest´s support:
The results of the survey that I did last week have been the following of the 4 options I explain as has been:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/9zhp5xocus4jajl/Captura%20de%20pantalla%202016-07-12%2013.52.12.png?dl=0
49.4% - Lanzanos denounce alone.
18.5% - Wait for the complaint that there are today.
11.8% - Joint Civilian Complaint Lanzanos and the patrons.
20.3% - Keep waiting.
Of a total of 994 answers (totals were 1,260 responses to the survey and filtered 266 votes)
Since last week, the Lanzanos´s lawyer is preparing the complaint. Thanks to you we have almost 20 Gb of videos, documents and articles of Dionisio. The documents contradict each other and give dates completely wrong and outdated.
Also he calls all patrons the shipping costs of the rewards and he knew that he didn´t have the rewards ready. The complaint was sent to the court but when I knew anything I will say you.
I also ask the patrons who have gone to the workshop, that tell us their impressions to share with all patrons through these newsletters.
On these bulletins if you're patrons of Lánzanos or you have pre purchased the game through its website and these emails didn´t arrive to you, please email me but keep in mind that many ISP cut mailings because this email is sent to 5000 recipients, maybe some email goes to SPAM or are cut, so I invite you to do public forums or where they believe appropriate.
Also, I want explain how the complaint is currently set by a patron
http://www.darkstone.es/index.php?topic=179.msg145994#msg145994
Thank you for your patience and I hope I write you better news next time , sorry.
I´m sorry for my english, Best regards.
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Yep... :-I
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It a trainwreck.... but I still would like to receive it o_o
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I'd rather receive something, as I'm quite sure I will not be receiving a full refund. I'm hoping any lawsuit results in more of a "get your foot out of your ass and get the production going" vs. "refund your investors with...whatever money you have left" etc.
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Yeah me too. Terribly run but hopefully they can get it sorted... lol
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I'd rather receive something, as I'm quite sure I will not be receiving a full refund. I'm hoping any lawsuit results in more of a "get your foot out of your ass and get the production going" vs. "refund your investors with...whatever money you have left" etc.
That is exactly what I am hoping on as well. And seriously, it seems that a lot has been produced, but gamezone just can't seem to get his sh*t together
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And asking people to pay their shipping about 6 months+ ago was just another way to get some extra cash. I just want something. Cut out a load of the unnecessary stuff like that dragon/serpent etc
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This is the most confusing thing for me. There are YouTube leaks (or promos) of various miniatures, game mechanics, etc. There have been pictures of the warehouse with huge piles of minis etc. While slow, it looked for a while like they were actually doing something. They gave out the size of the box and the weight it would be etc.
This will be my first huge failure from Kickstarter (I'd count Palladium but I at least got part of that order) if it all goes to nothing. Simply put they should ship the base box game and then the additional stuff later (ie. we'd never get the bonus materials). It just seems like the guy behind this has completely collapsed or become delusional in his lack of success.
I get a sneaking feeling we'll get a sub-par game or a measly compensation of 20-30% of the money we actually paid. Or they'll go full Prodos and ship out the game to retailers and never ship us our stuff.
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This will be my first huge failure from Kickstarter (I'd count Palladium but I at least got part of that order) if it all goes to nothing. Simply put they should ship the base box game and then the additional stuff later (ie. we'd never get the bonus materials). It just seems like the guy behind this has completely collapsed or become delusional in his lack of success.
lucky you... I already had the demons and devils and tomb of horors kickstarters from centre stage miniatures as well as the Artistic Justice Games kickstarters that performed rather abysmally for me... still waitin on the Assimilation host by troll forge as well... quite some bad experiences have been had...
still some still turn out great.
AVP was very bad in timing, but the product/sculpts are terrific!
Tre Manor, despite the issues also delivered a top quality product.
Spectre Miniatures had very nice models, but very bad customer support.
Still waiting on a lot of shadows of Brimstone, nut I guess that will turn out nicely.
Mongoose it's Judge Dredd KS almost feels like a never ending story
Heresy miniatures.. well.. I stil hope I'll get everything.
Overall, I had one (board) game producer that went very slow/did not (yet) deliver (AJG), but mainly had problems with kickstarters purely aimed at producing miniatures. Off course, this can be the other way around in about a year :D
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edit. blank post. Ignore me :)
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edit. blank post. Ignore me :)
I always do, buddy! :D
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:'(
lol
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This is the most confusing thing for me. There are YouTube leaks (or promos) of various miniatures, game mechanics, etc. There have been pictures of the warehouse with huge piles of minis etc. While slow, it looked for a while like they were actually doing something. They gave out the size of the box and the weight it would be etc.
Late reply, but Prodos showed us with Aliens vs. Predator that, even if you have mini's in boxes, or even minis on display at game industry shows, you're not getting your miniatures anytime soon. I suspect that AvP backers are now getting their mini's because of the funding from Prodos / Archon's LOAD KS. (This is the same thing that happened with Prodos' Mutant Chronicles Warzone.)
Anyway, if you haven't been following the BGG HQ25 forum, Lazanos is now suing GameZone for a "guarantee withholding" which amounts to a fair amount of money compared to Lazano's annual income. Backers aren't getting any of this money and, since Lazanos does not otherwise host boardgame crowdfunding projects, Lazanos doesn't care about its reputation among the boardgame community. Quotes are from Spanish poster Aitor, who has been following the Spanish Darkstone forum.
https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/1625934/plot-thickens-lanzanos-sues-gamezone-over-17000-de
Before HQ25, Lanzanos was almost exclusively hosting NGO solidarity projects, books, and short movies promoting social awareness. Most of them had goals under 3000€. They never had a "boardgames" category, and their "videogames" category has ever hosted 3 projects total. HQ25 is their biggest project by a large margin.
In normal conditions, Lanzanos would not be a platform for a project like HQ25. But the guest had been rejected from 2 other platforms, and the host couldn't resist having a project with a 6 digit goal.
So, Lanzanos knows that HQ25 is a one-time exception, and its backers are one-time customers. If they end up having a negative view of Lanzanos, who cares?
Making some numbers, Lanzanos claimed to have funded around 3 million for around 500 projects during 6 years (before HQ25). They work with a 5% commission. This means their rough income is about 0.05*3m/6 = 25,000€ per year. So, for Lanzanos, those 17,500€ may be comparable to a year of net income.
Lanzanos already got their cut. I have asked in Darkstone about the deposit, and user Marte2014 kindly explained the following:
It's called guarantee withholding. Typically it guarantees the culmination of a project. It may be tied to a due date, probably GZ has already claimed it but Lanzanos thinks that they don't have to return it for the execution of the guarantee. The lawsuit is the result of their disagreement.
Beyond the nature of the deposit (guarantee withholding), the rest of details are pure speculation, as those things are contractually arranged, so we can't tell anything for sure until reading the contract between GZ and Lanzanos.
Those kinds of agreements are very common in the building sector.
Finally, if you're thinking of a refund, here's a reply Alex got:
https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/1356894/release-date/page/4
The refund is not possible, and there's no turning back because to the advanced state of the project.
Your generous cooperation soon will be rewarded with a great product, that will be send to your address.
You must understand, HQ25 as a crowdfunding, and as the rest of crowdfunding, is not a purchase, disposal or pre-sale. It´s a cooperation, and that does not refund.
We continue working on the project and we will deliver it.
Thanks
Isabel
Please do not reply to this message, we will not receive it.
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Man, what a mess! Hopefully it shows up eventually for you guys (just like AvP showed up... eventually).
Would hate to see GZ go under for this too... they make such nice stuff.
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I've pretty much written this off. If a box shows up in a couple more years...swell. If not, screw em. Needless to say Gamezone will never get another cent.
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Yep. I've written it off too. I knew the risks getting into this one so, honestly, I'm not worried. It wasn't a huge amount to invest into the game. I still find it hard to believe some people get so up in arms about this sort of thing. Then again I have quite a laid back attitude.
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I still find it hard to believe some people get so up in arms about this sort of thing.
How much money did you pledge in this project? IIRC, Without add-ons, anyone pledging paid $100+ for the game, and $50+ for shipping to the US.
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My comment was an exaggeration.
I can understand it but everyone knew the risk involved though, KS wouldn't let them get it started. I don't believe that GZ have been fraudulent in their dealings just poor management.
So basically I find it hard to believe because this was always a risky venture. If you can't stand losing a few bucks wait for it to come out in retail.
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I occasionally check in on the HQ site.
Apparently they are showing it at some show in Madrid in December... Hate to be the guys fronting that stand.
http://www.heroquestclassic.com/expocomic-2016-2/
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And something tells me they're going to hire some new guys who know nothing and throw them under the bus..."Hey, welcome to the team, have fun! (slap on the back)".
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I have no idea how they think they can solve their problems and still deliver everything to their backers. It's now about 2 years later and the - already paid for by bakcers - shipping costs haven't gotten any cheaper. Au contraire... :?
If they have some finished product they can start selling it at the Madrid show in order to get some hard-needed cash, but they won't make many friends in the gaming world with such an action.
Mind you, I'd buy a copy ;).
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Wouldn't bother me. I don't think I'll ever get this but if that helps them I'm all for it.
And something tells me they're going to hire some new guys who know nothing and throw them under the bus..."Hey, welcome to the team, have fun! (slap on the back)".
Probably write about that. Poor guys.
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Well I won't believe it until I actually have it in my hands, opened up and physically touched each and every miniature and board in the box but I just got a rather strange email from Gamezone showing Preorder Heroquest titled "Marzo 2017" (March 2017).
No other text at all. So maybe it means March 2017, the date that we will string you along for a bit longer lol Can't see this arriving then.
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Yep...the most optimistic side of me expects a single boxed game (and probably never receive the huge wave of additional stuff). That's about the best I'm hoping for. The pessimist in me expects to receive nothing, or have them ask for another $50 in shipping etc.
I'd love to be wrong...
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Some pics from the Madrid Expocomic show, taken this morning. Not mine, didn't get the chance to attend, I'm taking the pics from the Spanish La Armada (http://laarmada.info/forum/) forum.
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General impression is that both minis and scenery look promising, but it's difficult to judge the actual quality of the elements due to the (disappointing) paintjob on them. Besides, everyone looks sceptic, to say the less, about the game being delivered to the backers next March, even if it was just the basic core game. If you look above, character sheets still need some work (even some spelling error has been spotted) and the board is just the layout printed and glued to a foamcore sheet.
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Yeah...colour me less than impressed. The artwork on the cards etc. looks completely dreadful. I just hope I get something, somehow...at some point. lol
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wow that looks...bad.
The miniatures are hard to distinguish (could be the bad painting.) and the artwork is al over the place! Cluttered ,minimalist, heroic, comical...? Pick a style and run with it.
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Yep, not impressed with the art. Cards are too cartoony (but not cartoony like the miniatures). Paintjobs are average. Surely they could have sprung for a propainter to showcase the minis... maybe there isn't enough cash.
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Yep, not impressed with the art. Cards are too cartoony (but not cartoony like the miniatures). Paintjobs are average. Surely they could have sprung for a propainter to showcase the minis... maybe there isn't enough cash.
Maybe ther isn't enough professionalism...
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I suppose, to be devil's advocate, the game on display on the show could be one they are using as a mock up for publicity, and not even close to the finished article. Would explain the distinctly sub-par artwork on the cards, anyway.
I agree the scenery and figures look like there is some nice stuff under the rotten painting (despite some very Warcraft looking bits), but it not something I'd be happy to trot out as a promotional piece in this state. :?
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I like the look of the "hardware", the models and the scenery. Would buy the game for that already. Like the design of the gameboard, a bit boring but ok...The drawings on the cards looks like they promised some art college kids a 50 euro voucher in order to draw up a few illustrations. Below par. But if someone would offer me their pledge I still won't say no! ;)
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Apart from the miniatures, that looks like something I could produce on my printer in the house! :o The cards look like 2 pieces of paper stuck back to back! The board looks like print paper glued to a sheet of foamboard bought from Hobbycraft! The figures, could they not have painted them better? That's a night work doing them the way they've painted them! :o
Again....shocked!
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Apart from the miniatures, that looks like something I could produce on my printer in the house! Shocked The cards look like 2 pieces of paper stuck back to back! The board looks like print paper glued to a sheet of foamboard bought from Hobbycraft!
I think that's what it is. Don't think this is production quality. Just samples.
Surely the finished product will be better....
I understand they might not have the money for a top notch painter, but I do agree on the paintjob: This is no way to present your models to the public.
I'm sure there are plenty of boardgamers that would be happy with a simple paintjob but gameszone always had really nice sculpts.
In this presentation it's very hard to see if they are of the expected quality and that might very well just be because of the PJ.
I'm very happy I didn't back this. I was seriously tempted, but it was just one red flag after another popping up.
I hope those who did will soon have their patience rewarded though.
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You can get cards professionally printed for about 10 pounds (maybe 20 depending on the amount you need). Plenty of places allow that. Printer studio comes to mind. Some places also produce boardgames printed onto boards on demand. Granted that would be substantially more than the cards but if you are wanting to show quality product then you should look into this stuff especially if you are showing it at shows. You're not looking at a huge investment for this and it would likely sell a few more pre-orders.
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Yeah, after three+ years of delays...there is zero excuse for not having more of the components in production quality (if the guy doesn't have samples how is he guessing it'll be delivering in three months!?). If you're supposedly three months out from trying to ship you should be dealing with logistics right now, not design/prototypes.
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Man, they promised this:
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But look set to deliver this:
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:o
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Yep...
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lol So true !
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I see there is another update featuring the rules for the female characters. Judging by that, the gamelay looks more complex than the original game.
No mention of when it will be ready though ???
I didnt back the kickstarter but I would get the game retail if it turns out to be good.
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If it ever turns up. I think if it turns up for me, I'll just use regular rules from the original but modify it somewhat for different heroes.
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I haven't liked much of what I've seen from their videos on the rules, but I was mainly in for the dungeon dressing and miniatures --- and I'll do up some simple rules or use the original rules to introduce my nephew to HQ if possible*.
*All of this predicated on them actually shipping - remember they said "March 2017" lol...I have my doubts.
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On the plus side communication has improved slightly.
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Man, they promised this:
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This artwork is awful and shows all the features of the "videogame" aesthetic that's infesting fantasy artwork now. They don't look like people, they look like cleaned up drawings of weird 3D models from older computer games. Look at that wizard's finger, and the Disney Pixar smirk on the barbarian's face. Eugh.
Anyway, carry on...
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To be fair though, it's all 100% indicative of Gamezone's old sculpting style...so no one assumed any differently when they bought in. It has a very unique aesthetic for sure, similar to the somewhat different Pathfinder look you see from Reaper etc. I like most of it though, so no worries.
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Well march has come and gone so I decided to check out their web page. More excuses for being late. But I'm optimistic it might get sorted. A bunch of pictures showing the goods. I wonder if they have enough money for shipping. http://www.heroquestclassic.com/at-last-everything-comes-to-an-end/
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A couple more updates are out.
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Will they be in time for Heroquest 30th anniversary?! The suspense rises! lol
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One more update: http://www.heroquestclassic.com/a-promise-is-a-promise/ (http://www.heroquestclassic.com/a-promise-is-a-promise/)
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Nice board, looks much how I remember the old one.
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It is slightly different. I guess they tried to avoid some copyright. (The middle room has the corners taken off)
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lol lol lol lol lol lol
Another update almost a year after the previous.
lol lol lol lol :'( lol lol lol
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lol lol lol lol lol lol
Another update almost a year after the previous.
lol lol lol lol :'( lol lol lol
When i saw this topic updated i thought "OOO time for my annual check in to see if this is still limping along."
I didn't think it'd been an actual year.... lol
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Another..."it's coming, I promise!" video. I will be shocked, simply shocked if this does ever actually show up on my doorstep.
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I just emailed them and asked when it will be released. Here is the reply:
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Hello.
We continue working on our project. We cannot give you a date for the shipment yet. My companions will communicate it on the webside Heroquestclassic.com when the time comes.
Thanks for your interest in our project.
Saludos.
Isabel.
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Dont hold your breath. I doubt this will ever be released. Its extremely dishonest to still sell preorders on their website.
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All this talk of Heroquest makes me think of this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cx8sl2uC46A (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cx8sl2uC46A)
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Sorry to bring this topic back to life, but...
https://www.dicebreaker.com/series/heroquest/news/heroquest-legacies-trademark-filing
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And there I was hoping there was another update, lol.
I'd be happy with just the minis TBH.
Hold on, just checked Gamezones page and
Orders could be affected by some delay in transit until delivery during these times of pandemic.
For these unfortunate moments, a lot of patience, courage and courage.
That must be why they aren't sending out their HQ stuff.
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Well some more news.
Not entirely sure if I understand what's happening but we are being given more promises that will not come to pass I'm sure. Not holding my breath but I imgaine someone has been given a bucketload of cash to give up the Heroquest name.
HASBRO POISED TO RE-LAUNCH HEROQUEST IN EUROPE
Hasbro Announces Future Plans to Bring the Popular Role-Playing Game to Market in the Region
PAWTUCKET, RI – Nov 15, 2021 – Hasbro, Inc. (NASDAQ:HAS) announced today it is set to re-launch the HeroQuest brand in Europe. The return of HeroQuest, an epic, high-fantasy, role-playing board game made in 1989 where the fate of the world is in the players’ hand, was officially announced last year for fans to purchase via a Haslab crowdfunding campaign. The Haslab HeroQuest game features new art, premium miniature figures and exclusive quest books for an enhanced gameplay experience and increased collectability. The brand will be developed under Hasbro’s Avalon Hill label.
European-based gaming company Ludofilia formally renounced ownership of its HeroQuest European trademark and its tabletop game project will be rebranded, though the contents will remain unchanged. Ludofilia will now be offering fans who previously supported Ludofilia’s independent crowdfunding campaign the OPTION to receive Hasbro’s version of the game, Ludofilia's rebranded game, or both.
“The fans have been asking, and we have answered! We’re thrilled to expand the reach of the HeroQuest brand to Europe,” said Angus Walker, Global Brand Lead, Avalon Hill at Hasbro. Stay tuned for more news from Hasbro on the upcoming launch of HeroQuest and the game coming to European fans. You can also find more information on HeroQuest on the official Hasbro Pulse site here.
And from Gamezone themselves
- Ludofilia, in an accord with Hasbro, has renounced all its valid Heroquest trademarks throughout Europe. Ludofilia used those trademarks to cover its version of the board game that it offered in crowdfunding and pre-sale. From now on the board game will be RENAMED TseuQuesT. The exact contents or the game itself will remain unchanged.
-It only the name has changed, all of the board game content remains unchanged, except for the use of the new brand TseuQuesT to encompass all its components.
- Both Backers and pre-sale customers have had to endure with extreme patience the continuous delays of the official launch of our board game. Finally, the foreseen delivery date by the European-based printing company is for the end of the first quarter of 2022. If all goes well, from that date we will start shipping your games.
-Optionally, Backers and pre-sales customers will have the chance to exchange their reserved copies of the Ludofilia game for copies of the Hasbro version of Heroquest: ONLY 1 FOR BACKER (more information on CANJE HQ)
-This exclusive exchange offer for crowdfunding backers and pre-sales made by customers until the day before this announcement -November 15, 2021-
-From this moment, any new client who wants to pre-buy the TseuQuesT board game can do so here.
-The current price of the TseuQuesT is the same as offered during the crowdfunding campaign, and will remain until the day of its official launch, at which time its price will be adjusted upwards.
We greatly thank Hasbro for their professionalism and cordiality since our first contact at the beginning of 2013 until now.
So we can exchange this version for the Hasbro version. Undecided myself. Thinking to go for the exchange even though I like the look of the Gamezone one more.
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While I still don't believe a box will show up...it's amazing if true.
Also, we already paid postage...so if they ask for it again, we'll have to raise hell. I passed on the Hasbro re-boot because I didn't care for the style of the miniatures - the main draw was the Gamezone style and art. I also expect we'll get a simple boxed game and probably none of the stretch goals if anything ever shows up. I would love to be proven wrong.
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Yeah. I think I've decided to double down and hope for the Gamezone version. I too was underwhelmed by the Hasbro look. I'll be happy if I ever get it, lol.
Also, we already paid postage...so if they ask for it again, we'll have to raise hell.
Yep. I just hope they were given a bucketload of cash so they can fulfill, despite me not wishing the best for them as a result of this S#!tshow
Must research who this ludofilia is too.
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Ludofilia probably is a "paper only" seperate company owning anf dealing with Heroquest, seperated from Gamezone in order to avoid bankrupcy if GZ itself would be sued because of their Heroquest disaster.
What a story... Still might get me a Gamezone/Ludifilia copy, if I could see, touch and immediately take it away in person with my own bare hands after personally handing him over the money ;-).
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And the joke continues. They are charging an extra 20 Euro for this. If you've paid postage already that is covered at least. I'm half tempted to pay and be done with it, but I actually doubt they will even send these on.
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An extra 20 euros for what, exactly? I haven't seen that email just yet. I will still be genuinely gobsmacked if anything shows up.
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You have to sign in and here's the link http://www.gamezoneminiatures.com/tienda/en/canje-hq/2739-canje.html
Only can pay if you're a backer or pre-order
I genuinely wonder how many preorders they made.
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For anyone who backed, Here's the latest message on the Gamezone Miniatures site.
TseuQuesT, update.
- Sorry for the delay in updating the information about TseuQuesT. But, after various readjustments with the printing works, we needed to know exactly the dates on which we would have all the printed material in full, in order to update the shipping start dates.
Once we have the final printing material in our Gamezone warehouse in Seville, which is scheduled for mid-July, then we will proceed to the final handling of the product, which will consist of inserting a box with miniatures inside each of the games.
Hasbro's Heroquest copies have already been requested, to attend to the exchanges at the same time that we carry out the shipments of TseuQuesT, and in this way make them coincide and optimize logistics.
Once the games that correspond to each client are prepared, we will write an email advising that we proceed to send your order.
We ask all our customers to carry out a final review of their data, for which they must log into their Gamezone Miniatures online store customer account and verify that they are correct and as complete as possible, making any changes they deem necessary.
In this way, delivery problems are avoided that could lead not only to unwanted delays but also to returns of shipments that generate extra shipping costs.
So, as a precaution, check carefully the name that appears in your customer account, because in some cases a nickname or an alias appears that probably complicates the delivery.
If we detect something in your shipping address that could affect and cause a delivery failure, then we will not send your order until it is resolved.
Remember: adequate and complete data, guaranteed delivery.
Thanks for your patience.
Whether or not they deliver still remains to be seen, not holding my breath. But the deal with Hasbro has hopefully given them some funds to finish this thing. Again, don't hold your breath. If I get 1 miniature out of this I'll be surprised.
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This appears to be almost as much of an ordeal as the Myth Journeyman KS I pledged, back in early 2015, and I still need to receive the majority of the components from ::)
Glad I dodged this one (and the Confrontation one too btw); one multi-hundred euro burn is more than enough!
Good luck keeping your fingers crossed though... ;)
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I backed Myth Journeymen too, managed to get my stuff though I think. A couple of boxes? I've written this one off but check in on things now and again. Still don't think this will come to anything as they have promised many many many times.
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It lives again, well I am amazed.
Still after so many many years, I am glad to see they are trying hard to avoid any delays in getting this delivered :-I
There i was thinking this one had given all the entertainment it could!
Good luck to all those that might be expecting it, do let us know if anything turns up this year!
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Hi all,
the HQ25th/Tseuquest saga has another chapter: as you know Ludofilia (ex gamezone) last december offered to the Hq25th bakers to swap their pledge for a copy of the new heroquest by hasbro, asking 20 euros for the extra costs. I didn't accepted theit kind offer, anyway seems that after 6 months not only Ludofilia/Gamezone hasn't delivered any swapped HQ hasbro copies, but that it hasn't even ever ordered them from Hasbro........
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Well I checked and my info on their page is correct...but I still don't expect anything to actually ship.
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Hi all,
the HQ25th/Tseuquest saga has another chapter: as you know Ludofilia (ex gamezone) last december offered to the Hq25th bakers to swap their pledge for a copy of the new heroquest by hasbro, asking 20 euros for the extra costs. I didn't accepted theit kind offer, anyway seems that after 6 months not only Ludofilia/Gamezone hasn't delivered any swapped HQ hasbro copies, but that it hasn't even ever ordered them from Hasbro........
wow. I was hoping that after the rights stuff seemed to have been settled that something would come. But that's a bit sucky.
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> I backed Myth Journeymen too, managed to get my stuff though I think. A couple of boxes?
With Myth, backers got the two expansion boxes (if they paid for additional shipping?) and only printed KS rewards (cards, tokens, but no SG mini's). Supposedly, Ulysses North (?) will make the SG miniatures, but progress has been slow (and messy, imo).
Ludofilia / GZ : "Hasbro's Heroquest copies have already been ordered, in order to attend the exchanges (CANJE) at the same time that we ship TseuQuesT, making both shipments simultaneously to optimize logistics." That, of course, contradicts Hasbro's statement, unless L/GZ bought HQ copies from another source. http://www.gamezoneminiatures.com/tienda/en/
Aitor on BGG : "The words of Hasbro, leaked by JugamosTodos, saying that Ludofilia hasn't purchased games from them, have been authenticated by Miguel, the head of the AAQH25A victims association." https://boardgamegeek.com/thread/1517279/article/40050811#40050811
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Cool. Looking forward to this. Any idea when?
I think I'll be disappointed though
Just to quote my first post from page 1, lol
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I mean, that was only nine years ago, you gotta give it time.
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Another Update:
______________ The miniature as noble craftsmanship ______________
TseuQuesT, update.
- Sorry for the delay in updating the information about TseuQuesT. But, after various readjustments with the printing works, we needed to know exactly the dates on which we would have all the printed material in full, in order to update the shipping start dates.
Once we have the final printing material in our Gamezone warehouse in Seville, which is scheduled for mid-July, then we will proceed to the final handling of the product, which will consist of inserting a box with miniatures inside each of the games.
Hasbro's Heroquest copies have already been requested, to attend to the exchanges at the same time that we carry out the shipments of TseuQuesT, and in this way make them coincide and optimize logistics.
Once the games that correspond to each client are prepared, we will write an email advising that we proceed to send your order.
We ask all our customers to carry out a final review of their data, for which they must log into their Gamezone Miniatures online store customer account and verify that they are correct and as complete as possible, making any changes they deem necessary.
In this way, delivery problems are avoided that could lead not only to unwanted delays but also to returns of shipments that generate extra shipping costs.
So, as a precaution, check carefully the name that appears in your customer account, because in some cases a nickname or an alias appears that probably complicates the delivery.
If we detect something in your shipping address that could affect and cause a delivery failure, then we will not send your order until it is resolved.
Remember: adequate and complete data, guaranteed delivery.
Thanks for your patience.
"Guaranteed"
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hmm that "mid-July" date is a bit vague - no actual mention of which year..
But I suppose its ok, as everyone will incur extra postage, especially outside Spain, after all what language is your address written in, in your account? Is it a Seville address - I bet its not...
Maybe next they can add a click and never collectable option?
Damn, no, no being negative.
Must, must be positive thoughts positive thoughts o_o - It will ship one day!
Guaranteed.
Also any idea when will the 50th anniversary version be available on pre-order? Soon I guess?
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Maybe they hope to postpone it until enough backers have passed away so they can afford send out whatever they've got so far :'(.
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lol
Oh and forgot to post the laugh after my Guaranteed in quotes above. I wouldn't trust them with another dollar of mine. (I say that now but if it looks like it might actually ship...)
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Another update from June. I only remembered it because my son spotted the old HQ game on my shelf
https://tseuquest.com/en/ok-but-when-will-it-be-released
Before Xmas for English and other language. Spanish language first. No say on the year yet again, lol.
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Oh my word, it has almost been 10 years!!!
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oh my word this, I had completely forgot wow - nearly 10 years of nought.
but the first line of the update:
"Sorry for the wait and the suspense generated by not uploading announcements at the rate we were doing."
almost exactly the same as may 2022 ..
yeah I will wait for retail then...
Now I just have to live that long ::)
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I've signed this Kickstarter over to my nephew in my will. For when it ships.
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I've signed this Kickstarter over to my nephew in my will. For when it ships.
how many more generations will this be handed down to before the hallowed "shipping" date of myth and ancient times doth speaketh?
will they remember the sacrifices of "payments" given in those far distant times of their ancestors? Or will there be more demands for "delivery payments" to ensure good fortune and delivery in those far flung future times?
Will they understand? will they hold the faith or just wonder why its not in the bloody replicator already and why it does not compatible with the holodeck?
Wilt the address be needing updating?
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I've signed this Kickstarter over to my nephew in my will. For when it ships.
hahaha. So you're giving false hope to your nephew? Poor lad.
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He needs to learn the hard way, the cold cruel reality of the world.
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Well, another update.
https://tseuquest.com/bien-esta-lo-que-bien-acaba
The use of a professor farnsworth gif at the beginning does not fill me with hope as his usual quote is followed by doom and gloom.
HQ 35th anniversary, lol
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Come on guys, this time they're serious!
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lol
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I love how they make it sound like delivery postponement is our fault
If you do not respond to our email, the corresponding delivery will be postponed until you contact us.