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Miniatures Adventure => The Second World War => Topic started by: Arthur on September 12, 2014, 11:47:58 PM
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Italian trucks, a French gun, British gunners and some imperial headgear :
(https://www.perry-miniatures.com/images/ITWW%2015.JPG)
(https://www.perry-miniatures.com/images/ITWW%2014.JPG)
(https://www.perry-miniatures.com/images/WW%2021.JPG)
(https://www.perry-miniatures.com/images/WW22.JPG)
(https://www.perry-miniatures.com/images/WW%2023.JPG)
(https://www.perry-miniatures.com/images/FWW%209.JPG)
http://www.perry-miniatures.com/ (http://www.perry-miniatures.com/)
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Yes!!!
I was awaiting these trucks and sun helmets!!!
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Very Nice Indeed ! :-* :-* :-*
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Exquisite as always
:-*
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Awesome. Weird Italian trucks, sun helmets, hats, what's not to like? :)
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(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-4RD4VNUlM1c/U9Z5mOUfQmI/AAAAAAAAifE/EVoGm7Yt5S0/s1600/75mm_.jpg)
(https://www.perry-miniatures.com/oscthumb.php?src=/images/FWW%209.JPG&w=540&h=254.29090909091&f=jpg&q=95&hash=cdfea56954404789e996a846588533db)
(http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b286/hmsdiomede/Misc20mm/75mmwz1897andCrew.jpg)
(http://canonde75.free.fr/photos/faitsdarmes/tn_75_ffl.jpg)
what happened with the gun and the calibre? is it me or does the shell look twice the calibre of the gun? Or did they have different tubes on the same carriage?
and what is with the crew?
and, when will they release french with adrian helmets, since these were used?
(http://panzer8.weebly.com/uploads/4/6/7/2/4672947/9422406_orig.jpeg)
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Hello,
I maybe misinformed, but I believe the barrel is a reworked Pak 97/38. This reworked barrel was not fitted to the French trail, but either on a Pak 38 or 40 trail - mainly the former.
Please send an e-mail to the Perries with your request. To be fair, I'm happy that we have French for the Western Desert in all forms with a couple in adrian helmet from the Perries at present.
All the best,
Helen
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THX for the information about the guns
I couldn't find out more on the rush, but the not-released version would have been a nice concept in the first place, to represent the improvised equipment of the free french.
Still, that doesn't compute with the thin barrel and the grossly oversized shell (I am not finicky with that one, I am usually happy if there are artillery figures at all, but the contrast does jump to the eye). And I am not sure if the combination of chechia and kepi for non-CO in the same unit does comply with french uniform culture, even in the free french army. All pictures I have seen showed that coiffure styles particular for certain unit types were consistently followed through and only the ubiquitous helmets and readily available replacements followed a less strict uniformity.
Anyway, I was happy (see below on that one) when I saw the first WIP picture, and totally irritated when the release version surfaced. I would be happy if the other artillery figures were released as alternatives, as well as the WG 75e version. In fact, the best solution would be separate gun versions with separate service teams.
To be fair, I'm happy that we have French for the Western Desert in all forms with a couple in adrian helmet from the Perries at present.
I agree with that one, but only in part.
After all, this is supposed to be a customer driven market, and feedback should be important.
I have yet to understand the concept behind releasing french in british helmets (which were used, but which appearance could easily be done with 8th army stand-ins that would be hardly wrong), instead of releasing them in french helmets, of which there are only a handfull in the whole market, and that could be easily converted with replacement heads in british helmet, which is a well established concept already in the own company...
So the "fairness" aspect applies to me only in the case that I would have to fall gratefully on my knees that a market-oriented company produces certain miniatures..
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the gun released seem's correct for a free french 75mm such as this one :
(http://basart.artillerie.asso.fr/IMG/jpg/can75_mod_ac.jpg)
if there is no seat for the crew :?
for the size of the shell , it's a problem with any manufacturer the shell won't fit in the barrel :D
( i use crusader AT crew with the Warlord 75 as i think that artillerymen in fullkit is stupid , and it works ) .
the crew will work for the Erytrea-Syria Lebanon-Lybia 41-42 Free French 1st regiment of artillery :
part of the crew were coming from GB ( and equipped with british helmets ), the others coming from Congo , french and natives ( so any kind of adrian helmet or fez is possible ) and you can add some colonial helmets ;) .
and the choice of british helmet for french infantry is historically accurate as 2 units , at least, were issued British uniforms : the Bataillon d'infanterie de marine and the Bataillon du Pacifique .
and it will work till Bir Hakeim .
For Bir Hakeim, i agree that the DBLE artillery crew in kepi will be nice ;) future release ? with some mixed fez-adrian helmets for the Bataillons de Marche ?
and a dodge Tanake ?
(http://www.warwheels.net/images/amdodgeTanakeHAUGH2.jpg)
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Dodge Tanake used to be available from another company.
The only thing I object to is mixing Chechia and Kepi for non-CO in the same unit. Can't happen. In Native units with chechia, only officers wore Kepi, and the LE did not wear chechia, so....
and the 75 barrel may be correct, but is far too thin....
bur @Helen is probably right, the alternative would be not to have any....
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Dodge Tanake used to be available from another company.
The only thing I object to is mixing Chechia and Kepi for non-CO in the same unit. Can't happen. In Native units with chechia, only officers wore Kepi, and the LE did not wear chechia, so....
and the 75 barrel may be correct, but is far too thin....
bur @Helen is probably right, the alternative would be not to have any....
I think (perhaps i 'm wrong !!) that the Perry's had realise colonial artillery . So the presence of a black artillery man (a "senegalese"") in chechia and his officier in kepi (colonial artillery or infantry officers never wore the chechia) is accurate (with "white" other crew man in helmet or kepi !).
best regards
paco
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never mind
this is how I would "bend" to explain it too, but the gun commander would usually be an NCO, not a CO
anyway, doesn't matter, I hope they release the Kepi only version too, or maybe some chechia alternatives as well
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a lot of pics of the Regiment of Artillery in Bir Hakeim (http://www.1dfl.fr/la-phototheque/bir-hakeim-1942-le-ra/) you can see some fez, a lot of english helmets, and le Calot .
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oh, come on lol
You know very well that calot is "colo" specific and goes well with Chechia, as in Senegalese (or other black african) Tirailleurs with french officers. Only the LE non-CO wore kepi. CO Kepi and OR/NCO Chechia would work in armee d'afrique with Tirailleurs tunisiens/algeriens or spahi/CdA.
This is totally different nitpicking ;)
(http://www.battlefieldhistorian.com/itemimages/bhc000233.jpg)
(http://www.balestrieri.fr/Images/artilleurs%20francais%20Bir%20Hakeim.jpg)
totally different units....
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BTW, we are missing free french infantry in fez for all the "bataillons de marche" who were the bulk of the free french in Erytrea - Lebanon/Syria and of the Leclerc Force L in Fezzan ...
and former user , you're wrong :
(https://static.flickr.com/7387/12169740695_8b79d7cdab.jpg)
Syria : le fanion du BM 2 et sa garde- Porte fanion Sgt chef ABDON
an european NCO in kepi ;)
even if the calot or the "casque colo" seems to have been the most used ;)
when you speak of uniforms , the early Free French, it's a "foutu bordel" ;)
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OK, but without the information, I would have thought he is an officer, as a porte-fanion...
I am surprised at this regulation madness ;)
but I surrender to better knowledge
however, we are still a few figures short
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I admit that's uncommon ( and part of some kind of full dress ) for NCO , some european officers and NCO are seen in helmet ( colonial helmet ) or in calot but never in fez .
But on the video, you have some 13DBLE legionnaires on the ship berfore Gabon wearing some kind of chechia similar to the one worn by the algerian and morrocan tirailleurs in europe ...
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this is interesting! I haven't been able to watch the video yet,
but back to topic - I can well imagine that the Woodbine Fez heads could work with Perry bodies, they are rather smallish...
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for everyone interested in Bir Hakeim, I recommend to watch the video
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ks3tMQqovq4
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a 75mm gun in Bir Hakeim , crew in british helmet, 2 crew in beret, NCO in Kepi lol
(http://i39.servimg.com/u/f39/11/63/95/43/1563mo10.jpg)
a group of Leclerc RMT , natives in fez, 2 europeans in Kepi , 2 in Colonial helmets, 2 in Calots, one with Beret Basque lol ( note the tirailleurs wearing sandals )
(http://i39.servimg.com/u/f39/11/63/95/43/rmt110.jpg)
those pics give a good idea of why André Malraux had called them "Leclerc Epic Tramps" ;)
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Thx, I did not know the second one
I would be curious to know from when it dates. If it was from "Colonne Leclerc" times in 1943, the calots would be the red ones of the Spahi that reinforced Leclerc when guarding the flank of the 8th Army in Tunisia.
Yet, still no covered other ranks Kepi in a chechia unit..... ;)
a tan beret in a chechia unit would surprise me as well.
dark berets with Leclerc not so much, with that amount of commando and LRDG cooperation...
I wonder if the tan beret (that emulates the original coiffure of the 13e DBLE), was used by the original members to distinguish themselves from thos who joined after Operation Exporter?
the first picture is clearly a DBLE 75e, probably even real action.
btw, I would expect almost any kind of hat mixed with dark blue calot, to be seen on the 1er BIMP after their amalgamation from BIM
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the picture is presumed to be late 1941-early 1942, so the calots are not the red ones of the spahis .
don't forget that a lot of european the members of the Free French Leclerc Forces were former members of the colonial administration , or civilian volunteers ... and that, in the desert, an informal dress was common, you have the exemple of the LRDG ...
the beret is a common headress for french ...
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dark beret, yes, but tan?
anyway, I don't really know, but I don't expect british and french "informality traditions" to be similar, au contraire.
From what I have seen, the french military appears to be very strict about hats (officers apart). I remember that every rank used to have their own type of Kepi, even after 1930.
And I don't know of any other army that used to have such multitude of hats or hat styles, in peacetime, not even the british
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i received yesterday my 2 75mm guns and 2 packs of infantry in helmet ...
the gun crew figures are :
gun leader with kepi
2 gunners with helmet
1 gunner with calot ( and not fez ) ...
nice minis ...
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i received yesterday my 2 75mm guns and 2 packs of infantry in helmet ...
the gun crew figures are :
gun leader with helmet
2 gunners with helmet
1 gunner with calot ( and not fez ) ...
nice minis ...
Strange indeed. My 75mm pack contained a leader wearing Kepi. All the remaining crew are as you described.
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well, I guess they made variations, which is good.
did they all have the scarves?
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Strange indeed. My 75mm pack contained a leader wearing Kepi. All the remaining crew are as you described.
it's a typing error, shame on me ;)
the gunner with calot will wear the red calot of the 1st morrocan spahis, and the kepi figure will became the commanding officer of the conus guns battery , spahi kepi ...
yes everybody carry a scarf ...
i'm waiting the end of november, the release by Perry Miniatures of the Morris 15CWT and the release by JTFM of the Marmon Herrington ... with 3 crusader, it'll become the Free french Flying Column ...
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well, hopefully there will be many more gunners, all with helmets/calot/chechia/kepi... maybe even beret?
great!
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there is a great source of free french movies :
INA (http://www.ina.fr/themes/histoire-et-conflits/seconde-guerre-mondiale)
free french and mostly vichy propaganda sources ...
but you have to search lol
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fascinating source, merci
lot of opportunity to refresh mon francais
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warning, for most of the movies , there are mistakes in location-period , mainly in the free french stuff .
there were no conus guns with Leclerc forces in Fezan , for exemple ... but they used part of movies from el alamein to illustrate the fezan campaign .
so it's an opporunity to refresh your french AND your knowledge of the period ;)
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there is no refreshing on the knowldedge, but a lot to add to the tiny bit I had...
I would be very curious to read what happened with Leclerg between Koufra and Mareth and also about the post Torch french action in Tunisia
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just give a look here :
fezzan-tripolitaine-1942-1943 (http://www.fondation-leclerc.com/99/leclerc-et-ses-hommes/colonne-leclerc-2eme-db/fezzan-libye/fezzan-tripolitaine-1942-1943.htm) and here tunisie (http://www.fondation-leclerc.com/51/leclerc-et-ses-hommes/colonne-leclerc-2eme-db/tunisie.htm) in french ...
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(https://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xpf1/v/t1.0-9/10802051_605816939540416_7537222334799960787_n.jpg?oh=a82f08175b26057b6de117d6f67bbb13&oe=5504A33C&__gda__=1423556950_0386de590121c15fe3a5eb3f11775e9b)
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xfp1/t31.0-8/p480x480/10494925_605816956207081_3834214863514818810_o.jpg)
(http://i59.servimg.com/u/f59/11/63/95/43/12134810.jpg)
(http://i59.servimg.com/u/f59/11/63/95/43/12135010.jpg)
Free French 1st artillery regiment 25pdrs, Lybia 1942
The Morris 15CWT is delayed, due to release next week >:(
with apparently some other stuff ...
We should have a number of new WW2 codes next week, sorry for the slight delay!
some of the "new WW2 codes" will be the LRDG jeeps ... ;)
in a perfect world, it should include the Free French support weapons , but ...