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Miniatures Adventure => Future Wars => Topic started by: Vanvlak on November 28, 2014, 06:00:18 PM
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Only a teaser, but I like the look of it :D
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMOVFvcNfvE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMOVFvcNfvE)
(http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/79374000/jpg/_79374404_sw6-bike.jpg)
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That speeder looks like a popsicle.
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I'm sorry but (IMHO) there is nothing interesting about the speeder...
... very popsicle.
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Trailer looks excellent (other than silly lightsaber)...the speeder...I can't say much. I don't think anyone would ever design something that difficult to get onto/ride.
lol
Can't wait for the film.
PS: Can we all agree though that the speeder looks more like the original films than anything from the awful prequels? That's already a step in the right direction. Silly design or not, it looks like it belongs on Tatooine.
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Trailer looks excellent (other than silly lightsaber)...the speeder...I can't say much. I don't think anyone would ever design something that difficult to get onto/ride.
lol
Can't wait for the film.
PS: Can we all agree though that the speeder looks more like the original films than anything from the awful prequels? That's already a step in the right direction. Silly design or not, it looks like it belongs on Tatooine.
Yeah it does, and the lightsaber looks a bit silly but it looks like the sort of thing a kid would think is cool & Star wars needs a little of that.
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That girl is the new protagonist, FYI. I've been getting my news feeds from the friends I have in the obsessive crowd and it's interesting. This could go either way, but it'll be better than the prequels at least. I'll spare you guys any spoilers and instead just say
(http://i.imgur.com/lykgxPi.gif)
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So nobodies bothered about the stupid round droid then :?
cheers
James
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So nobodies bothered about the stupid round droid then :?
cheers
James
...I thought it was a soccer ball ::).
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Could be worse. It could be Jurassic world!
nice shot of the Falcon though
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Yeah it does, and the lightsaber looks a bit silly but it looks like the sort of thing a kid would think is cool & Star wars needs a little of that.
But at least the Sithblade has a working handguard against ligthsaberblades ;)
Sure, you have to take a little more care not hurting yourself....but hey, you have a handguard :D
But, the trailer is not too bad, looking forward to see more
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Apetite well and thuroughly whetted... :P
And Bibbles is right about the silly round ball droid. :?
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Why did the storm trooper not look like Jango Fett? I thought they were clones...
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That girl is the new protagonist, FYI. I've been getting my news feeds from the friends I have in the obsessive crowd and it's interesting. This could go either way, but it'll be better than the prequels at least. I'll spare you guys any spoilers and instead just say
(http://i.imgur.com/lykgxPi.gif)
Unless that little roller or turns out to be the new Jar Jar Binks
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Why did the storm trooper not look like Jango Fett? I thought they were clones...
I don't think the Stormtroopers are clones, just the "Clonetroopers", as far as I know.
Just the first ones were clones, the later normal humans
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There's still one year to get rid of the light hand guards and the soccer droid.
Regarding 'troopers, what Comsquare said.
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Why did the storm trooper not look like Jango Fett? I thought they were clones...
Could it not be one of the new heroes in disguise?
I think it looks good so far! Here's hoping eh?
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The vehicle design was pretty poor in the prequels and looks like more of the same. That speeder bike is just plain shit. I have a theory that everything good about the first 3 films was down to the vision of Ralph McQuarrie.
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aahhh, You Younglings know nothin' bout StarWars....
I just wet my pants...... lol
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The vehicle design was pretty poor in the prequels and looks like more of the same. That speeder bike is just plain shit. I have a theory that everything good about the first 3 films was down to the vision of Ralph McQuarrie.
I can see at least two McQuarrie designs in the trailer. X-Wings tweaks are straight from his original designs and the Tatooine archway that speeder is heading toward is one of his sketches too.
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On the whole I'm leaning towards optimistic :)
I think the inevitable 'child friendly' character will happen; remember, that's what C3PO and R2 were meant to be.
I'm going to reserve serious judgement until another trailer comes out and we get to see more as I remember seeing the first Phantom Menace trailer over and over again and getting quite worked up about it...
Then I saw the film...
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cheers
James
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I rather liked The Phantom Menace...
This does look rather excellent, though - the X-wings in particular.
My 8 year old watched the trailer and said "So Han fixed the bit Lando broke, then?" Very nice touch.
JJ Abrams did a jolly good job with the Star Trek franchise (YES HE DID) so this should be a good effort.
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I rather liked The Phantom Menace...
Someone had to ;)
Yes, the new Star Treks were very well done and I'm seriously hoping the same.
A lot of the concept art is very reminiscent of McQuarrie in both style and vision.
Although filming is just about done now so more involved trailers will appear as the cg/model work gets done.
cheers
James
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I'm sure i have negative things to say, i'm really sure, but right now they have to wait in line for all my feels which are rushing headlong out of my mouth in a cacophony of delighted noises.
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Why did the storm trooper not look like Jango Fett? I thought they were clones...
From the old cannon the Empire outlawed cloning (worried that a rival force could be quickly created to stand against the Empire: a repeat if what happened to the Republic) so later troopers were recruited not grown. So not clones.
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The only canon he is using is the previous films as far as I know :?
RPG, older computer games etc won't have any bearing.
cheers
James
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Yup James that what i understand too mate.
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I think the inevitable 'child friendly' character will happen; remember, that's what C3PO and R2 were meant to be.
Much of the plot of Star Wars, including the two bickering peasants/droids as point-of-view characters, is lifted straight from Kurosawa's "The Hidden Fortress". But you knew that ;)
I'm going to reserve serious judgement until another trailer comes out and we get to see more as I remember seeing the first Phantom Menace trailer over and over again and getting quite worked up about it...
Whatever else comes from Abrams' film (and I think the Star Trek reboot was a bit duff and watching Into Darkness actually made me more stupid), the sight of the Millennium Falcon framed against the blue sky to the opening of the Star Wars theme was glorious.
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Have to agree re Falcon. :-*
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Sorry but I like all of it, not so much the droid. I thought the light saber was very cool. Looks more like a beefy claymore than a weapon of finesse which I think fits the sith very well.
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I like the idea of the lightsword, but it just looks so dangerous for the wielder that I cannot believe a trained fighter would choose to have it. As for the rest of it, I liked it!
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the sight of the Millennium Falcon framed against the blue sky to the opening of the Star Wars theme was glorious.
Brought a tear to my cynical eyes. :D
I'm with you about the new Treks too. Just awful.
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I''m going to be putting my deodorant on thicker. I want to try and make one.
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Oh my, while seeing it first I was under the impression to see a fan made joke.
The soccer droid, the goofy speeder look and the incredible unwieldy light"claymore" all made me think, "no way". :o :?
The X-Wing and Falcon shots however looked like the real thing to me. Right now I am baffled and fear for the worst while hoping for the best. ;)
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The vehicle design was pretty poor in the prequels and looks like more of the same. That speeder bike is just plain shit. I have a theory that everything good about the first 3 films was down to the vision of Ralph McQuarrie.
Whilst Ralph was pretty much instrumental in putting the soul into SW, you can't understate the amount of additional soul Joe Johnstone put into the hardware design, either.
Ep7 is a continuation of that work. A way for his work to continue on, in a new direction, long past his lifespan.
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Much of the plot of Star Wars, including the two bickering peasants/droids as point-of-view characters, is lifted straight from Kurosawa's "The Hidden Fortress". But you knew that ;)
But of course :D
But I don't think Kurosawa had the younger audience in mind when making Hidden Fortress though ;)
cheers
James
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The speeder - it looks horribly overpowered, and for that reason alone I like it :D It has a sort of muscle (lots of muscle) car feel, reinforced by the vestigial windshield.
The trailer - I'm a sucker for sci fi nostalgia, and the X-Wings, Ties and the Falcon were a very welcome set of scenes, more so than the new stuff, barring perhaps the speeder (which reminds me of the Landspeeder, although with intentional less care for aesthetics to give it that pugnacious look - ok, I really like it). But I think it's the use of many familiar sounds - especially the Tie fighters - which got me.
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The speeder - it looks horribly overpowered, and for that reason alone I like it :D It has a sort of muscle (lots of muscle) car feel, reinforced by the vestigial windshield.
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For me the speeder looks too much like a Karman jetbike...
(http://www.adpublishing.de/assets/images/Group.jpg)
I will always be reminded of space gorillas when seeing this scene. ;)
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I will always be reminded of space gorillas when seeing this scene. ;)
You never know ;)
cheers
James
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But of course :D
But I don't think Kurosawa had the younger audience in mind when making Hidden Fortress though ;)
cheers
James
You think? ;)
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You never know ;)
cheers
James
Wookies :D
And I like the Karman designs :D
I would be the first to admit my tastes in vehicle design may be a bit unconventional.
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You think? ;)
Maybe ;)
lol
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I think the speeder looks like a art deco magnum icecream personally. It'll melt on tatoonie. No wonder she's going fast.
Hope the toshi station is refrigerated these days. ;)
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For me the speeder looks too much like a Karman jetbike...
(http://www.adpublishing.de/assets/images/Group.jpg)
I will always be reminded of space gorillas when seeing this scene. ;)
P.S. nice job on the Karmans, Agis. 8) 8) 8)
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I think almost all of it looks like crap too, e.g. the speeder, lightsaber, and ball-droid.
Reminds me of some of the prequel designs, only worse. Like someone had 5 minutes to come up with ALL of the designs, and without any imagination at all.
Thankfully, at least the X-Wings, Ties, and Falcon look okay.
Verdict is out on the Stormtrooper armor, until I get to see a little more of it.
Hope the story isn't as poorly done as some of the vehicle designs, or the movie will be a total bust, which would be a shame.
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Well it will be pretty hard to top a movie that had a cyborg throwing the ruler of the universe, who can spit lightning from his fingers, down a vast tube in the middle of a space station that has the ability to destroy worlds. lol
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So nobodies bothered about the stupid round droid then :?
cheers
James
Astromarble mech lol
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Astromarble mech lol
Never was a meme as well fit as this! :D ;D
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Astromarble mech lol
Nice one mate lol
cheers
James
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There's still one year to get rid of the light hand guards and the soccer droid.
Regarding 'troopers, what Comsquare said.
I meant to say roller -bot earlier, but soccerbot sounds much better, particularly since being British, it should be football. Definitely a soccer bot!
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Would that bot be called F1FA?
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Would that bot be called F1FA?
lol Genius!
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It'll be fun I'm sure.
I haven't watched Star Wars in years (last time was when I was 16/17?)
Saw glimpses of both the originals and the prequels, and although the originals were cool, neither hit me though as being 'deep' films, especially the prequels.
I'll forward to going to the cinema when its out, strange, popsicle speeder aside (I wanna know how she gets onto it for a start?)
Lovin the Meme lol
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Saw glimpses of both the originals and the prequels, and although the originals were cool, neither hit me though as being 'deep' films, especially the prequels.
They were never meant to be, just a bit of cinematic fun :)
I'd be really interested to see what (if any) fleet action there's going to be :D
cheers
James
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The big unwieldy speeder looks exactly like the kind of thing I wanted to see. Its stupid in all the right ways. The wristguard sabre, meh, considering some of the idiotic fan ideas out there this is pretty mild. :D Could be a lot worse.
I'm curious as to how much we are going to see of the ball droid, might be a bit of a throwaway design a scene starts zoomed in on and then disappears into the background.
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I'm curious as to how much we are going to see of the ball droid, might be a bit of a throwaway design a scene starts zoomed in on and then disappears into the background.
Of this, we can only hope.
cheers
James
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(http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/79374000/jpg/_79374404_sw6-bike.jpg)
The more I look at this, the more I see a pod-racer engine. I daresay one wouldn't have bare skin around that pipe though. Any contact would melt the skin from your leg.
Would that bot be called F1FA?
For the win!!!
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that bot be called F1FA
I wonder how they got Kenny Baker inside that one and how often he got sick....
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The astromarble mech is weird I'll grant u. At least 3PO'S in it and R2 so they'll be some 'normal' droids too.
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It'll be fun I'm sure.
I haven't watched Star Wars in years (last time was when I was 16/17?)
Saw glimpses of both the originals and the prequels, and although the originals were cool, neither hit me though as being 'deep' films, especially the prequels.
I'll forward to going to the cinema when its out, strange, popsicle speeder aside (I wanna know how she gets onto it for a start?)
Lovin the Meme lol
I think this is what bugs me most about Star Wars fans. They treat the original movies as if they were epic pieces of film mastery. They weren't. What they were, were unequivocally "cool" with lots of excellent eye-candy and a nice vaguely serious take on Sci-fi as a blockbuster film. The prequels were...neither. Not cool, and not good movies.
I daresay the new films could be far better than all of them as far as acting/film goes --- but will they be quite as cool? Dunno. I also got the distinct feeling that speederbike was a recovered and re-imagined engine pod from something a lot larger. The question still remains though: how do you get on the damn thing? lol
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Step ladder ;D
The sound of the 'speeder bike' is the same as some of the pod engines. There are also a couple of very good concept images of a downed AT-AT that's been converted into a hermits home, or some such, could be the same person?
cheers
James
*edit for bad grammar*
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Step ladder ;D
The sound of the 'speeder bike' is the same as some of the pod engines. There is also a couple of very good concept images of a downed AT-AT that's been converted into a hermits home, or some such, could be the same person?
cheers
James
I think the home and speeder are both related to 'Kira'. As much as we can know at this stage. Might have watched the trailer a lot more than is healthy.
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Might have watched the trailer a lot more than is healthy.
Hmm, I lost count at 10x... o_o
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and he shot first lol
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And I respect him for that.
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and he shot first lol
Now and forever!
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This looks excellent.
The design seems to hark right back to the original trilogy concept sketches and looks like Star Wars in the way the prequel light-show toy adverts just didn't.
JJ did a top job reinventing Star Trek and if he does the same here, we're in for a treat. The sheer speed of the Xwings and Falcon are breathtaking, and i think i only saw one lens flare sin in there.
I'm optimistic so far.
The black trooper is one of the main characters as I understand, as it the girl riding the swoop/speeder. Agreed the light-claymore is a bit of a misfire, but if that's the worst we get we're on solid ground.
As for the rolling droid? What's the problem? Seriously??
I mean, remember these?
(http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20071013155330/starwars/images/9/9d/WED-treadwell_negtd.jpg)
This is a good start for what may be an awesome reboot.
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As for the rolling droid? What's the problem? Seriously??
I mean, remember these?
(http://img2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20071013155330/starwars/images/9/9d/WED-treadwell_negtd.jpg)
To be fair, that was only ever in the background and never made 'centre stage' as it were. And the original items that made it into the films were dirty and grubby in the proper sense, not the 'clean' dirt we see nowadays :)
But yes, still optimistic after watching the trailer all afternoon lol
cheers
James
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No problem with wheeled or tracked bots, but floaty head wall-e looking astro-marble mechs..... :?
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Maybe they'd be happier with a droid that looked like an 80's-era trash can from McDonalds, and which only says "GONK"?
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Maybe.
I just don't get the marblemech from the one shot (granted) we've been given at the moment.
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I actually get it...from a design standpoint. If you use magnets etc. to create a simple rolling ball as your form of locomotion it vastly increases where you can go (which is better than wondering "how in the hell did R2D2 get there...?"). I do think it looks a little silly but I doubt it'll be a main character.
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(http://i.imgur.com/KLG8hmY.jpg)
lol lol lol
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as with Darth Mauls double sabre, I am certain this will be a plot device too. the "crossguard" can be used to stab too in the oh so beloved blade lock situations that never occur in reality
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Well, if you want to get all nitpicky, they wouldn't even work as crossguards - any locked blade would chop the emitters off!
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I actually thought that the red kiber crystal was venting engery rather than being a sword hilt. I looked quite rough round the edges almost primitive in resoect to sabre design? An old sith resurrected?
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Well, if you want to get all nitpicky, they wouldn't even work as crossguards - any locked blade would chop the emitters off!
there you are plot device ;)
nitpicky?
are we talking th same blade lock?
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/BladeLock
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Looks like we are.
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in the link there is a special note regarding "star wars parry" ;)
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Well, if you want to get all nitpicky, they wouldn't even work as crossguards - any locked blade would chop the emitters off!
Depends how you lock it ;)
But you're right, the risk would be quite high, except the hilt would have been made from cortosis ore.
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Cortosis
But at least you have a good chance not to get your wrist/fingers chopped off that easy :)
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well, apparently there is some in-universe explanation why lightsaber blades actually lock...
mind my words in december 2015 8)
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Although I like the look of the light saber, why not just have a cortosis hilt rather than a light hilt?
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Because it looks cool :)
cheers
James
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oh it does....
anakin is jesus and moses together anyway
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(http://i.imgur.com/yuqZJYt.gif)
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Lightsaber looks like a great way to chop your own hand off. O'course Maul's lightsaber looked like a good way to chop your own leg or torso off, and he lost no badass points for it. So it could go either way depending on the character and how he's (she's?) played, really. Wouldn't want this to turn into a trend of gimmick escalation with further movies either way though.
Also that one shot just looks GoT as Ffffffffff......
"You know nothing, John Snow Skywalker."
Speeder looks awkward, but if it's home-built from a pod racer or ship engine, that would turn it 'round into cool. A hero who's a tinkerer like that would be a good inheritor for the Falcon.
I've got no problem with the droid in concept. Just wish they gave it a unique head shape instead of an out-of-place looking chibi-R2 head. It's also hard to tell how big it is. The simplified/lack of details on the head make it look small and toylike, but looking at the ground, it might be regular astromech sized? Can't tell. It's passable, but as a possible "not-R2" it has much to learn from T3-M4.
Falcon and next-gen X-Wing shots are pure win though. New stormtroopers helmets look boss. 8)
I'm "meh" on the Abrams Star Trek films. Great action and visuals (mostly: brewery engineering was a fail), but the man can't assemble a plot/story to save his life, so both films were a complete hash on that front. He is by his own admission much more in his element with Star Wars though, and it's not him or his favorite monkeys doing the writing this time but people with a proven good track record, so hopes up all 'round.
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Speeder looks awkward, but if it's home-built from a pod racer or ship engine, that would turn it 'round into cool. A hero who's a tinkerer like that would be a good inheritor for the Falcon.
This was my first reaction as well, that the bike was the result of some judicious salvage and kitbashing off a wreck or three out among the dunes on Tattooine. Parts is parts, and if those starboard engines are still salvageable off that old Correllian puddle jumper.... 8)
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Brought a tear to my cynical eyes. :D
I'm with you about the new Treks too. Just awful.
bits of the Star Wars trailer made me feel like a kid again and get all nostalgic, I just hope it's better than the prequels regards directing, script and the ability of the cast to act.
I agree regards star Trek too, but then I think Star Trek always has been and will be crap - poor ideas, awful ship design and just generally woeful.
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I like Trek, and was a proper trekkie as a kid, but even at my most nostalgic I will fully admit it was always half rubbish. Often fell on it's face from trying to be smarter than it's writers were capable of, rarely was able to do humor to a non-cringeworthy standard, and was always a fair bit more camp than was actually deliberate. Didn't help that it spent good chunks of both old and new runs being helmed by the clueless and apathetic (Rodenberry started out a bit funky and got worse with age, and Bannon-Braga were... whatever you call the polar opposite of a "dream-team").
JJ Trek... Well, at least it wasn't actually trying to be smarter than it's writers were capable of. 'Course that's left handed praise, considering once you get past the bright lights and shiny paint they're so cross-eyed nonsensical it's almost like some form of stealth-dadaism.
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the really good SF themes will never be funded blockbuster-style anyway, so it is eye-candy all along, Trek, Wars, Babylon or Gate
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the really good SF themes will never be funded blockbuster-style anyway, so it is eye-candy all along, Trek, Wars, Babylon or Gate
Personally I can live with that. For "smart SF" I prefer other media, such as books, where there can be extensive explanation on interesting theorem and concepts without breaking up the story flow as much as it would in a movie.
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https://www.youtube.com/embed/v93Jh6JNBng
this is more like it
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https://www.youtube.com/embed/v93Jh6JNBng
this is more like it
I was holding back the temptation to post that. :D
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https://www.youtube.com/embed/v93Jh6JNBng
this is more like it
Saw that today lol
cheers
James
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that went quick lol
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I'm sorry but (IMHO) there is nothing interesting about the speeder...
... very popsicle.
I disagree I so. I can see this being used by your fast attack Green.
Now get to scratch building. 😊
Grimm
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https://www.youtube.com/embed/v93Jh6JNBng
this is more like it
lol
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No but seriously, I hope we don't see anything Anakin related again. If this film contains even one Adolescent outburst, tables will be flipped.
And I liked JJ Trek, it was fun, and at least they weren't doing all that preachy business with every Alien they meet. TNG was like a light soap opera in space.
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I find it odd that people can't get behind the droid or speeder but forget about the guy on cloud city carrying an ice cream maker.
I'm really loving the speeder, alot.it looks like it has a step just under the second pipe, so i imagine one jumps onto it, sort of like a horse (but not as shifty)
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JJ Trek was alright and fun pew pew lasers good times, but not particularly deep.
Into Darkness was horrible by most accounts.
HOW-SO-EVER, Abrams is not writing. George Lucas is not writing the dialogue.
Let me stress that: George Lucas is not writing the dialogue!
So I don't think this is doomed by any means. The cinematography we've seen in the trailer mostly follows established Star Wars patterns for tracking, lighting, framing, colour etc. except for the Stormtroopers preparing for drop, which is VERY Abrams, but actually looks good and fits well, I think. The action (X-Wings, Falcon) follows well. So the purely visual aspects of the directing seem fine so far.
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Oh and I don't know if you guys heard, but Abrams is only directing the first movie. The second one has been confirmed as Rian Johnson (Looper, Brick).
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Gotta agree with a lot of little bits through this topic.
The speeder is a bit ludicrous but... I like it. It looks 'old-wars' to me. Like they took Luke's speeder and flipped it on it's side.
I look at the crossguard sabre and imagine that guy choking out 'oh bugger me thigh' quite often.
NuTrek... hmm. First one was sorta watchable but subject to a lot of fridge logic, and I hated throwing Scotty to Simon Pegg like a kitten to a rottweiler. Didn't even bother with the second.
Yeah... all the snowy dark pine forest, does look a bit GoT, doesn't it?
Soccerbot: I... I dunno. I can respect people saying "wait 'til the film's out", but I have a nasty feeling we've been shown our new Jarjar. The googly eyes only just make it less goofy. :?
I see a couple of flashes of panel lines that make me think. Anyone think it could be a transforma-droid, a bit like the old droidekas?
(Can't believe I called prequel stuff 'old')
FALCON YEEEAAAAAHHHHH
https://www.youtube.com/embed/v93Jh6JNBng
this is more like it
lol
Especially the very end. Scarier than those net pranks where the girl from the Exorcist or something suddenly appears.
Very mildly concerned about 'something has awakened in the force'. It makes me think it's something that's gonna 'rise' and 'its smarter than we thought' and 'it learns'.
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I thought the speeder was interesting. It looks old and crappy, like the old-but-it-still-works tech that is to be expected on a fringe world.
The shot of the X-Wings and the Falcon were very good.
Roller Droid is stupid.
I fear JJ ABrams. Don't like him as a director.
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Here's an interesting tid bit, the rolling droid was apparently based on the first ideas McQuarrie had for R2-D2
from an old Star Wars Insider:
(http://media.aintitcool.com/media/uploads/2014/harry/b3ojd5jceaah1b0.jpg-large_large.jpg)
now I don't know if that makes it a better idea or not, on one hand it proves it fits in with the esthetic of the original trilogy, on the other hand the idea was abandoned for a reason
And then there's this :D:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qpfWrh1scZU
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I find it odd that people can't get behind the droid or speeder but forget about the guy on cloud city carrying an ice cream maker.
Because the ice-cream man was only there for a few seconds, wasn't in the trailers and has probably never been discussed until this moment :)
cheers
James
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Wow ... I think I must be the most optimistic person on the planet ... or here at least. I liked everything about the trailer ... (and I liked the new Star Trek films ... both of them).
Interesting to read about how the making of clones was outlawed to prevent the raising of another clone army. I love the way these threads bring out these gems of info. from the SW genre.
I don't think the marble-robot rolling around is bad at all; it seems a highly efficient way of moving about.
The quillons on the lightsabre look cool and it's wielded by a person who is arguably able to deal with the complexities of such an exotic weapon.
As for the Speeder, I agree it looks like a junker so it could be any design. Maybe the original model had a cab hanging off the side and that was ditched to improve speed?
Future tech in a universe where the Force exists has a huge amount of latitude. The bottom line is that it will be the acting and story that makes or breaks the movie(s).
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I'd like to add that I squeed a bit seeing actual physical Stormtrooper armor. That alone gives me hope.
It always really bugged me that not even one physical suit of clone armor ever existed. I'm not one of the anti-CG brigade, but even to me that seemed such a particularly baffling (and telling) excess. Especially when they had those guys in RotS walking around with their helmets off looking like sci-fi pennangalans.
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And then there's this :D:
Gotta say, even badly-animated lego Falcon, with that music, brings a lump to my throat.
Because the ice-cream man was only there for a few seconds, wasn't in the trailers and has probably never been discussed until this moment :)
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James
Oh. So we're not talking about that thing on Lobot's head...
It always really bugged me that not even one physical suit of clone armor ever existed. I'm not one of the anti-CG brigade, but even to me that seemed such a particularly baffling (and telling) excess.
Really? That is baffling.
Especially when they had those guys in RotS walking around with their helmets off looking like sci-fi pennangalans.
Had to go google that one. Yes! I know what you mean! Can't say I noticed it too much in that particular movie, but then when it came round I could only sorta peek at Star Wars through my trembling fingers.
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Oh. So we're not talking about that thing on Lobot's head...
No, there's a coloured fella running through the city (Bespin) with one when Vader takes over properly and Lando is getting Leia out.
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James
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Really? That is baffling.
Yarp. Not a one. All CG all the way. Closest they ever got to physical was a Sculpy maquette.
'Cause apparently doing things the cheaper, easier, and more realistic looking way is for unambitious chumps, yo. I guess? Seriously, I have no idea what GL thought he was gaining there.
Had to go google that one. Yes! I know what you mean! Can't say I noticed it too much in that particular movie, but then when it came round I could only sorta peek at Star Wars through my trembling fingers.
The floating head of Temuera Morrison shall haunt your nightmares forevermore.
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Late to this party...
good - x wings and stormtroopers shots
ho hum - the speeder
no, just no in a jar jar binks level of no-ness... that stupid f'ing robot.
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He did get a name and an action figure tho,ice cream maker included.
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He did get a name and an action figure tho,ice cream maker included.
Missed that one lol
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James
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Missed that one lol
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James
http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Willrow_Hood
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I got a cheap computer core from Lidl once.
It made rather tasty ice cream.
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I think this rather well embodies what I both love and hate about the starwars extended universe. You can pick pretty much any background character, look up his name, past and future career and extended family. ;D ;D ;D Oh and probably a funny anecdote or story related to the character or actor.
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http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Willrow_Hood
Wow! I had no idea. I wonder if any action figures for the new films will be quite so honest in their depiction? That's not the most flattering action figure I've ever seen.
I'm optimistic about the films, hopefully they have learned a bit from 1 (ok as a kid's film in the same way that Indiana Jones 4 would have been ok had it not been an Indiana Jones film); 2 (which was flashy but really quite dull) ; and 3 (which wasn't that bad I thought; Ewan McGregor had cut back on the wooden Alec Guinness impersonation and yoda was cool. Yes, ok, the whole transformation into Vader was still largely unbelievable).
(the above represents my personal views only and in no way challenges the views of people who might have other opinions! :D)
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"directing, script and the ability of the cast to act."
Which were about the level of old serials, which Lucas loved. I never singled out Jar Jar as annoying; seemed right in place.
Okay, the acting of 'the couple' dropped a little TOO low...
As for the sounds used, sound tends to be a 'filler'; no guarantee they'll be the same in the final product.
I'm okay with the side-protrusions as long as you keep them secret until blades locked close to your opponent's face, but, I'm the only one having issues with light sabers looking like torches [Edit: Sorry, flames, as from an acetylene welder. Not to be confused with what we colonials call 'flashlights'] ?
Doug
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Wow ... I think I must be the most optimistic person on the planet ... or here at least. I liked everything about the trailer ... (and I liked the new Star Trek films ... both of them).
Interesting to read about how the making of clones was outlawed to prevent the raising of another clone army. I love the way these threads bring out these gems of info. from the SW genre.
I don't think the marble-robot rolling around is bad at all; it seems a highly efficient way of moving about.
The quillons on the lightsabre look cool and it's wielded by a person who is arguably able to deal with the complexities of such an exotic weapon.
As for the Speeder, I agree it looks like a junker so it could be any design. Maybe the original model had a cab hanging off the side and that was ditched to improve speed?
Future tech in a universe where the Force exists has a huge amount of latitude. The bottom line is that it will be the acting and story that makes or breaks the movie(s).
You are not alone ;)
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but, I'm the only one having issues with light sabers looking like torches?
Word on the net is this might be due to the imperfect synthetic focus crystal used in the sith saber.
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Word on the net is this might be due to the imperfect synthetic focus crystal used in the sith saber.
If you look on the newer star wars action figures the bottoms of the blade were always a little firey , which made me think sabres were meant to be bursting with energy, crackling and wavering.sort of like the surface of a star, which makes sense considering they're meant to be light/plasma.
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The floating head of Temuera Morrison shall haunt your nightmares forevermore.
THE BLASTER IS GOOD
THE LIGHTSABRE IS BAD
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THE BLASTER IS GOOD
THE LIGHTSABRE IS BAD
Well, thank you very much. Now I have an image of Alec Guiness in a red belt-and-diaper outfit in my head. >:(
And no, this is NOT an invitation to anyone to engage in image-posting.
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Well, they do call Obi-Wan a wizard at one point... lol
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BBC article (http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-highlands-islands-30273367) on the guy who built the original light saber
POP Sci (http://www.popsci.com/six-star-wars-technologies-may-not-be-so-far-far-away) article on "six Star Wars technologies that may not be so far, far away"
Not a fan of the new light saber design - seems more likely to kill the person using it, and the new landspeeder looks like they were told to come up with something that would be easy and cheap to make and sell as a toy. Nice flat design that will not take up too much room on the shelves :(
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"So there has to be a reason coming for this laser sword. J J Abrams would have considered every visual in this first teaser."
as I said before...
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I hope there's some reason, it still feels like cheap fan-service to me. Don't get me wrong, we all fell for the Phantom Menace trailer and the awesome Maul shot - that design seemed eminently logical and cool in a 'why didn't I ever think that up, it makes sense' way. This however, without some fluff to explain the logical and practical discrepancies, it really isn't sufficient to fall back on 'badassness' if only because the same look and impact could be used with at least some nod to preserving one's own arm! What I'm trying to get at is I HOPE something is cleared up or it really becomes lazy and for the kinds of fans who lap up everything post-OT without any critical eye whatsoever!
I absolutely HATE Jar Jar Droid, for the goofy horrible design, and for it's blatant fourth wall violating gaze, and it's slapstick careering and bobbly head. Some credulous Lucasian tried to fob me off with a 'it's based on early R2D2 designs by Ralph McQuarrie there fore you are an idiot' to which I simply posted this self explanatory discrepancy in his logic illustrating the difference between a McQuarrrie design and that offensively twee creation:
(http://bitcast-a-sm.bitgravity.com/slashfilm/wp/wp-content/images/ZZ3CA86FC8.jpg)
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJgLa3eKMYs
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I like the way this guy thinks:
https://storify.com/PhilKahn/lightsaber-thoughts
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Interesting thoughts, however it ers into philosophy over real world practicality to my eyes! I'm also for LESS lightsabres. There was marked awesomeness in the OT precisely because the Jedi didn't flash it out at the drop of a hat, the screen wasn't filled with them. I further say that much of the implicit mysticism (of a very eastern style) was completely destroyed by the prequels. Essentially in *my* star wars (derived from filling in the ambiguities of the originals) *my* Jedi make much more sense to me, and they are not what George came up with post-OT. No need for the Sith hokum, you become a vader or emporer by falling for the darkside, and becoming the best at that...that's it. It retains the inner struggle to 'know thyself'. Likely the 'realness' of the OT Jedi feel was largely due to the actual long list of people who advised and wholesale re-wrote his scripts and ideas (uncredited on Star Wars). It went from awesome zen monks avoiding the darkside to weird dichotomy Sith (ONLY2! How logical!)/Jedi (who are basically police). HATE that concept. This kind of thing is what I mean (to once again reference Zen teachings
The Gates of Paradise
A soldier named Nobushige came to Hakuin, and asked: "Is there really a paradise and a hell?"
"Who are you?" inquired Hakuin.
"I am a samurai," the warrior replied.
"You, a soldier!" exclaimed Hakuin. "What kind of ruler would have you as his guard? Your face looks like that of a beggar."
Nobushige became so angry that he began to draw his sword, but Hakuin continued: "So you have a sword! Your weapon is probably much too dull to cut off my head."
As Nobushige drew his sword Hakuin remarked: "Here open the gates of hell!"
At these words the samurai, perceiving the master's discipline, sheathed his sword and bowed.
"Here open the gates of paradise," said Hakuin.
Everything said by Yoda in Empire becomes retro-actively farcicle because of the horrible prequels. What i really find offensive is that I cannot watch the OT anymore without flash-forwards to images and extrapolations that lessened the words and actions of beloved characters. Obi Wan telling luke about his friend Ani, their involvement in clone wars.... everything Yoda said being thrown into the toilet with the completely opposite way of behaving, and his piddly lazor sword (quote: george lucas).
I admit, I'm one of perhaps a few that really struggle to retain my SW love anymore and not for want of trying and rationalising things. It's a wound that wont heal it seems. So infected is every aspect that was great, I cannot forget or unsee. Cry for me, Argen-Cantina scene ;_;
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I partly agree. I mean, I prefer the old Tao-ish concept of the force over the new God-ish concept of the force, and I always felt like niether Yoda nor Palpatine should even have lightsabers (saw them both as old masters who have long outgrown the need for such unsubtle methods).
...But at the same time, the Sith are all about letting your emotions go nuts (ostensibly to harness them for strength, though the Jedi would be quick to point out that's a bit like an addict saying they're totes in control of their habit), and they do have a stance of rebellious disdain for the Jedi. It wouldn't surprise me at all if they experiment a bit wildly to try and distinguish themselves from both the Jedi and each other. I mean, I feel like they're still a lot more ascetic than most of the EU likes to play them, but they're still monomaniacally ambitious and all about proving themselves superior, so there would be a certain stripe of the MMORPG "look at meeeee" tryhard about them.
I don't feel the vehemence though. Star Wars got dumb, then overplayed, so I stopped caring. And ironically, the fact that I stopped caring means if something sparks me back up again, its a bit of a clean restart.
Let your disappointment pass over you and through you, and when it is gone, only you will remain.
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Interesting thoughts, however it ers into philosophy over real world practicality to my eyes! I'm also for LESS lightsabres. There was marked awesomeness in the OT precisely because the Jedi didn't flash it out at the drop of a hat, the screen wasn't filled with them.
I don't go for the modern SW toons much, but I gave the pilot of Rebels a go when I saw it was on TV.
[SPOILERS!]
Near the end, when the leader of the rebel cell saw that all their options were used up, and this happened (http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=51CHzBWww6k), I thought, 'yisss! They get it.'
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And yeah, I'm not happy with the altered role and character of the Jedi and Sith in the prequels, either. With Yoda in particular, he went from tiny green Stuart Freeborn with Einstein eyes to a perma-scowling goblin (seriously, he didn't have the same face...). Similarly, part of me tried to cheer along with with the popular badassness of that first duel with Dooku, but deeper down I felt a sinking feeling that he'd transformed from a wise old master to a performing monkey. Like someone had forgotten some of his first words to Luke: "Great warrior, huh! Wars not make one great."
I'm with you guys: I feel the most that Yoda would stoop to involve himself in a lightsabre duel would be to take his opponent's lightsabre apart in seconds, like Doctor Manhattan.
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That girl is the new protagonist, FYI. I've been getting my news feeds from the friends I have in the obsessive crowd and it's interesting. This could go either way, but it'll be better than the prequels at least. I'll spare you guys any spoilers and instead just say
(http://i.imgur.com/lykgxPi.gif)
Scary thing is, in the real picture I think he's doing this with wieners... lol
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I love threads like this... the true believers really leap forward :D
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I love threads like this... the true believers really leap forward :D
I resemble that remark, mister! lol
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I love threads like this... the true believers really leap forward :D
I blame nostalgia! lol
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I blame shit prequels and Lucas having a god complex. 'Everything I make people will love...'
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James
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I blame shit prequels and Lucas having a god complex. 'Everything I make people will love...'
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cheers
James
That too!
P's what is that emoticon :-X?
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It means Blurghhhh in this case :D
A max case of Blurghhhhhhhhhhh
cheers
James
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I blame shit prequels and Lucas having a god complex. 'Everything I make people will love...'
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cheers
James
Yup, that.
Nothing wrong with an occasional moan. Beats lapping up any old rubbish the meedja feeds us. That's how we ended up with Kardashians, and PJ & Duncan as Saturday night overlords.
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which will cause a nuclear holocaust destroying all life on earth.
And someone will send of live documentation of it into space that will reach Earth in the past detailing something that happened a long time ago in a galaxy far far away but what we didn't know is that it was actually a documentary on the fall of Earth but was named Star Wars. It's all real folks, and it's a conspiracy too.
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THIS TRAILER HAS DESTROYED MY CHILDHOOD! JJ ABRAMS IS SATAN! lol lol ;)
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I was reading rumour mill crap all yesterday evening.
Of course none of that stuff is confirmed and a great deal of it is just attention seekers who make plausible-sounding claims using known information. Plus god knows how much of it is actual staff-driven misinformation. Seems like it would be more absurd to imagine someone producing a Star Wars movie without a comprehensive misinformation campaign.
But the one thing that is unquestionably known and which has me thinking is the cast. It's just so damn big! I mean, there are nearly twenty people with major speaking roles and significant screen time in this movie. All storyline rumours aside I'm really wondering how bloated the movie might wind up being.
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Plus god knows how much of it is actual staff-driven misinformation. Seems like it would be more absurd to imagine someone producing a Star Wars movie without a comprehensive misinformation campaign.
I was tempted to be all "Well, we all know how JJ loves him some mystery box secrecy", but then I remembered "Blue Harvest".
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All storyline rumours aside I'm really wondering how bloated the movie might wind up being.
They need to hire Peter Jackson to split it into three, without losing any of the integrity or essential story and without padding it with useless visual effects.
Now that would be a rumour to really get the mill grinding!
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>:( more than 120 mins makes me cranky. The human digestive tract and bladder cannot hold a big gulp in for more than 120 minutes no matter how good the battle scene is. Back in my day if you wanted to make an epic you had an intermission and people used it.
Oh man, nothing says epic movie like having an intermission!
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TiabUnjU84w
lol lol lol
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For me the really interesting / sad thing is that i just dont care anymore about....
im still a star wars fan but rhere are and will be only 3 films for me.
End of story...
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im still a star wars fan but rhere are and will be only 3 films for me.
End of story...
:)
I GM the d6 roleplaying game at work and the prequels don't even enter into it but I'm interested to see how these pan out and if they are good bloody awesome then I'll include them when we play :D
cheers
James
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7EJ6AmplD8g
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Apparently Wes Anderson censored the triple lightsaber too. :)
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Hah!
Yeah, looks like the Colbert clip is gone already. The original clip is here: http://thecolbertreport.cc.com/videos/umsrnb/lightsaber-controversy but it might be region-locked for a lot of people.
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I Think the little blades on the light saber are meant to be guards to stop a blade sliding down, but they start so far out that if a blade did slice down it would cut right through it.
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Colbert nails the science nicely... After all, he is two weeks ahead of us all. lol
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That Colbert segment was awesome lol lol lol lol I love the new light saber who cares if it makes sense ITS MADE UP for heavens sake ;) ;) lol lol
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What Frod said... ;D
I foster my willing suspension of disbelief, preferring moments of childlike glee over episodes of jaded enui.
I don't mind being objective about a film after having seen it, but if it can strike a chord while I'm watching it, I'm good. That's all I ask of pop-culture sci-fi cinema.
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And now we have names:
http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-30445082 (http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-30445082)
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They've named the droid... :'(
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James
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They've named the droid... :'(
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James
So? Virtually everyone in the original trilogy was named, even the randoms in the cantina who were on screen for seconds.
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So?
It doesn't bode well for the films not being childish computer game promos like the last lot ::)
Some people may like it but I think if you read through this thread, a lot of the fans here don't... A lot of the fans I know don't... I would also imagine a lot of the fans out there won't either...
cheers
James
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From watching the trailer a few times, I'm pretty sure that the droid's head is the actual droid, and the ball is just something it's riding on at that point. Probably part of some sequence where it gets from A to B via a number of slightly comedic means before landing back on its original body; and my money is on that looking a lot like an original R2.
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A friend of mine had an interesting theory. He said Star Wars fans are just completely doomed to disappointment, because Star Wars being great in the first place was actually a complete fluke.
The way he broke it down was that it all came down to Empire Strikes back. Empire was genuinely a great movie, Sci-Fi or not. The other two have their moments but they were ultimately just silly fun action flicks in his mind, with plenty of problems and goofy nonsense. In that respect, the prequels were not that much worse (his opinion, not mine) than episodes IV or VI. But taken as a whole, Empire is so good that it raises up the whole original trilogy, but Empire is like some rare happy accident, almost a cinematic unicorn.
He figures that based on that, the odds of getting another Empire-quality Star Wars film are... well, never tell me the odds.
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Was I the only one who didn't realize the "X-Wing" pilot was Oscar Isaac?
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You could have 3 hours of beach ball droid being kicked about a pitch by a team of jar jars and ewoks and the line would still be around the block to see it at the megaplex.
That might actually be more entertaining than the 3 prequels.
Wonder who would win?
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That might actually be more entertaining than the 3 prequels.
Wonder who would win?
The Ewoks, hands down.
As for the BBC article - I wonder what the other cards (there's at least 76 of them!) show.
And the names: I guess Star Wars has a penchant for strange names, but they tend to grow on you, so I'm not worried. Nonetheless I keep wondering whether the other X-Wing pilots are named Tinky-Winkye, Dipsye, La Lae of the Tubbye Squadron. Unless it's the Raven flight that's shown here....
As for the Balldroid (oh dear, here goes) - the mobility of the design would be good, and I guess it sprouts arms and stuff. And probably circular saw blades too ;D
I would guess the spherical part is a permanent part of the droid, same colours as the head.
He might not be a star of the film - as Cypher 226 pointed out, everyone is named in Star Wars - anyone remember 2-1B?