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Title: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Barbarus on August 18, 2015, 08:56:09 PM
Hello there!
My first comment here in this forum and one with content.  ;)

I would like to introduce you guys to a project some friends and I have been working on since early 2014.

It is called A Fantastic Saga and a Fantasy adaptation for the Saga ruleset. (Im sure everyone will know it)

Saga is one of my favorite games and one of the best I ever played. The mechanisms are simple yet awesome.

I introduced a lot of people to Saga over the last few years but because of the historical context it did not quite get them going...
So I decided to do something about that and started working on this project... I wanted to capture the spirit of the "good old days" and create rules that make it possible for people to use pretty much any fantasy miniature for their games...

And obviously I wanted an alternative to Warhammer... I wanted rules for my Chaos army, my dwarves and all the others that just kept getting dustier over the years.

There are four factions and the main ruleset in this first PDF-file. (Elves, Dwarves, Barbarians/Chaos, Undead)
More factions are soon to come and even some "supplement" with really fun stuff. (Monstrous mounts, general "Bestiary", maybe even campaign rules!)

Next factions will be Orcs, Dark Elves, Beastmen and Goblins...



The website is still being built but it already works... so, yeah, thats what counts.
(it will be on this website that you will find all future material as well)
I really hope people will enjoy this and spread the word!


http://www.a-fantastic-saga.com/


(http://fs1.directupload.net/images/user/150819/sdg754io.jpg) (http://www.directupload.net)
(http://fs2.directupload.net/images/user/150819/2d6xnmcm.jpg) (http://www.directupload.net)
(http://fs1.directupload.net/images/user/150819/w53hlb9w.jpg) (http://www.directupload.net)

Have fun!  :)

greetings!
Barb

Title: Re: A FANTASTIC SAGA
Post by: m4jumbo on August 19, 2015, 03:49:00 AM
Looks interesting, will definitely give this a try.
Title: Re: A FANTASTIC SAGA
Post by: Nord on August 19, 2015, 08:21:45 AM
Well done for doing this, looks very good. I have all of these armies as it happens, so will give it a go.
Title: Re: A FANTASTIC SAGA
Post by: Commander Roj on August 19, 2015, 08:46:13 AM
Hello there!
My first comment here in this forum and one with content.  ;)

I would like to introduce you guys to a project some friends and I have been working on since early 2014.

It is called A Fantastic Saga and a Fantasy adaptation for the Saga ruleset. (Im sure everyone will know it)

Saga is one of my favorite games and one of the best I ever played. The mechanisms are simple yet awesome.



I introduced a lot of people to Saga over the last few years but because of the historical context it did not quite get them going...
So I decided to do something about that and started working on this project... I wanted to capture the spirit of the "good old days" and create rules that make it possible for people to use pretty much any fantasy miniature for their games...

And obviously I wanted an alternative to Warhammer... I wanted rules for my Chaos army, my dwarves and all the others that just kept getting dustier over the years.

There are four factions and the main ruleset in this first PDF-file. (Elves, Dwarves, Barbarians/Chaos, Undead)
More factions are soon to come and even some "supplement" with really fun stuff. (Monstrous mounts, general "Bestiary", maybe even campaign rules!)

Next factions will be Orcs, Dark Elves, Beastmen and Goblins...



The website is still being built but it already works... so, yeah, thats what counts.
(it will be on this website that you will find all future material as well)
I really hope people will enjoy this and spread the word!


http://www.a-fantastic-saga.com/


(http://fs1.directupload.net/images/user/150819/sdg754io.jpg) (http://www.directupload.net)
(http://fs2.directupload.net/images/user/150819/2d6xnmcm.jpg) (http://www.directupload.net)
(http://fs1.directupload.net/images/user/150819/w53hlb9w.jpg) (http://www.directupload.net)

Have fun!  :)

greetings!
Barb



I haven't been able to download in Safari (but I will do so later on the PC) but Saga has always intrigued me, though I am not much interested in Dark Ages/Ancients. This is probably enough to get me to buy the rules. Thanks so much for doing this!
Title: Re: A FANTASTIC SAGA
Post by: Bloggard on August 19, 2015, 09:29:07 AM
d/loading now.

this looks fantastic, Barbarus, and just what I've been googling for of late...

thanks so much for sharing the project.
Title: Re: A FANTASTIC SAGA
Post by: Barbarus on August 19, 2015, 12:21:33 PM

Thank you, guys!

Really, really happy to see people enjoying this.

And yes, it seems to hit a certain spot. I heard the same thing over and over again from people:

"I like the Saga rules. But I dont like the whole Viking setting. Why is there no fantasy version? I would play that!" :D


So, yeah, since Saga is quite popular I think we might be able to recrute enough players over the next two years or so that you got a real alternative to Warhammer.
Not a replacement, of course. But at least an alternative.

Something fun to move your fantasy minis with. A nice, sleek ruleset. Something you can play in an hour, rather than half a day :D


Have fun testing the rules, guys!


PS: For those who havent been playing Saga before: Have some matches with the normal Saga rules first.
After that add those elements from our PDF. That should be the easiest way of learning it.
Title: Re: A FANTASTIC SAGA
Post by: aiteal on August 19, 2015, 03:42:33 PM
Very nice, and coincidentally something I have been working on myself for an upcoming game/scenario at an Oldhammer gathering.
In my case it's dwarves vs skaven, dwarves board is done and still a little work to be done on the skaven board.
The gyrocopter is the only 'contraption' in my boards/rules, I approached it slightly differently (based on the original gyro in white dwarf 100) with 2 dice 'javelin' attack for the bombs but adding a fatigue to simulate the terror, and a heathguard style 4 dice attack as a regular shooting activation for the gyro's steam cannon which ignores cover modifiers, but costs the gyrocopter 1 point of fatigue to simulate the gyro's steam boiler running down.


Title: Re: A FANTASTIC SAGA
Post by: Barbarus on August 20, 2015, 01:11:33 PM
Sounds very complex! I like it and for one single unit in the game these rules are proper, I guess.
I just had to take a simpler approach on the Gyro because there are quite a few special units with special rules running around in my game :D

So far the feedback to A Fantastic Saga has been superb! :D People like it a lot and Im very happy about it. And I am excited to present the Orcs and the Dark Elves very soon... they have really cool rules.
Title: Re: A FANTASTIC SAGA
Post by: MikeH on August 20, 2015, 02:30:24 PM
this looks interesting, but I don't understand your introduction, you seem to be saying that its wrong for companies to make any money from all the hard work they put in putting product out to the market

if that is the case then how do you expect anything to get developed? the money Gripping Beast and Studio Tomahawk raised from sales of the rules has gone into making new products for the game

I could go on but your comments in your introduction just make me angry, so its best I stop here

Mike Hobbs
Title: Re: A FANTASTIC SAGA
Post by: aiteal on August 20, 2015, 10:40:09 PM
Sounds very complex!

Nahh it's pretty easy, bomb attacks don't generate fatigue, but the more powerful steam cannon attack of the old school gyro runs down the machines steam powered engine. Giving the player the option of using the gyro for harrying attacks or committing to a more devastating assault that can't be sustained without resting the device and allowing the steam engine to build up some pressure again.


this looks interesting, but I don't understand your introduction, you seem to be saying that its wrong for companies to make any money from all the hard work they put in putting product out to the market

I think it's probably more a dig at GW's AoS than anything aimed at ST/GB, considering he heaps praise on Saga so often in his intro.
Title: Re: A FANTASTIC SAGA
Post by: Barbarus on August 21, 2015, 12:55:57 AM
Hey there!

Nah, Mike, dont worry! Everything is fine! :D
I did not mean to say that companies arent supposed to make any money with their games, I was just saying that there are companies throwing stuff on the market that is not good nor fun, and just want to make a quick buck.

Like a certain company. You know the one I mean.

And on the other side you have companies like Gripping Beast, Studio Tomahawk, the Perry twins, Warlord Games and more, who are gamers, who want to offer a good game, good miniatures and good fun.
And they should make money with that. That is something I want to see rewarded.
Because there you have people who are gamers and have the utmost respect for other gamers.

I dont see that respect in the behavior of a certain other company. You know the one I mean.

Title: Re: A FANTASTIC SAGA
Post by: Argonor on August 21, 2015, 01:34:08 AM
I downloaded the rules and am going to have a go at them as soon as I have had time to read them.

My regular gaming buddy and I have armies for God of Battles (undead and dwarves), and also have the occational SAGA game with fantasy (LotR) proxy armies, so we should be able to adjust to SAGA format quite easily.
Title: Re: A FANTASTIC SAGA
Post by: Barbarus on August 21, 2015, 01:48:10 AM

Sounds good, my Danish friend! :D

Hope you guys have fun! Let me know how it went!


Greetz
Title: Re: A FANTASTIC SAGA
Post by: MikeH on August 21, 2015, 09:33:16 AM
Hey there!

Nah, Mike, dont worry! Everything is fine! :D
I did not mean to say that companies arent supposed to make any money with their games, I was just saying that there are companies throwing stuff on the market that is not good nor fun, and just want to make a quick buck.

Like a certain company. You know the one I mean.

And on the other side you have companies like Gripping Beast, Studio Tomahawk, the Perry twins, Warlord Games and more, who are gamers, who want to offer a good game, good miniatures and good fun.
And they should make money with that. That is something I want to see rewarded.
Because there you have people who are gamers and have the utmost respect for other gamers.

I dont see that respect in the behavior of a certain other company. You know the one I mean.



ok I'm happy to say I overreacted when I read your introduction and thought you were making an attack on people I know, when you were just attacking GW for not producing products you like.

you are of course entitled to your opinion but is the introduction the place to do it?

why be so negative about companies who have worked to produce products for 30+ years, you may not like the direction they are taking but don't say it in the first sentence of an introduction to a set of rules. the introduction should be a place to welcome people to your game not a place to put your political manifesto

I hope you do well with the reskinning of the 2 games, but seriously think about how you welcome people to the game
Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Barbarus on August 21, 2015, 01:17:50 PM
I didnt think the introduction could be easily misunderstood. Its not just about the one company. Its about a mindset and a "trend" that annoys me in general.
But I think my introduction is quite positive since Im talking about the fact that we people have the means to change a lot of things...

Maybe it is a bit too much philosophy/politics for an introduction. On the other hand, I dont like the thought of not saying these things because they could be "uncomfortable". Know what I mean?

Its a bit tricky.
In the next version of AFS we will have a different introduction. I know that much. ;)
Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: MikeH on August 21, 2015, 07:26:29 PM


Maybe it is a bit too much philosophy/politics for an introduction. On the other hand, I dont like the thought of not saying these things because they could be "uncomfortable". Know what I mean?


that's what designers notes are for (in my view anyway) once you've written the rules its a nice idea to sit down and describe what you were trying to do and why you came to certain decisions
Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Barbarus on August 21, 2015, 08:45:35 PM

Ah, well.
What is done, is done.
I am pretty sure most people interpret it as positive as it was meant.
I think we can leave it at that.  ;)


The important question is: Did you give it a try yet? :D

Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Barbarus on August 22, 2015, 05:04:58 AM
Attention!

I noticed mistakes that must have happened while putting the PDF together.

The ability "The Horde" on the Undead Battleboard is actually meant for Ghouls, Zombies & Skeletons.
(Which is quite important, since it works best with the skeletons.)

The ability "Favored By The Gods" on the Wild Tribes Battleboard is obviously not meant for the Chieftain. Only for the Chosen.


So long!
Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: evilsam on August 26, 2015, 01:19:52 PM
This looks great, thanks for doing this! I'm thinking about showing this to my local group of gamers.
I was looking over the different spell boards in the army lists and couldn't find the fatigue costs associated with casting the spells.
Am I looking in the wrong place or are these missing from the pdf?
Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: dijit on August 26, 2015, 02:11:57 PM
I've had a look at it and I couldn't see any unit sizes anywhere. Not being familiar with SAGA these might be explained elsewhere, it just got me confused that's all. What plans do you have for other races/armies?
Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Barbarus on August 26, 2015, 05:37:37 PM
Hey there!

Unit sizes arent really a topic in Saga, since you buy points for your warband and for each of them you get a fixed number of models.
For 1 point you get either 4 elite warriors or 8 standard warriors or 12 levies/bad warriors :D

When deploying models for the match you can make units of any number of models between 4 and 12.
And of course you cannot mix unit types.


We got quite a lot of factions planned, we are currently working on Orcs and Dark Elves and Goblins.

So... by now the list looks like this:

(the ones we got)
Dwarves
Elves
Undead
Wild Tribes/Barbarians/Chaos

(next to come)
Orcs
"Dark Elves" (will have an original name and original story, but will essentially be "evil Elves")
Goblins
Beastmen (will be based on creatures from Greek mythology)
Pseudo-Greeks (one of the human factions, based on ancient Greek mythology)
Pseduo-Romans (as above, but Roman version)
Pseudo-Celts (as above, Celtic version)
"Lizardmen" (will be Ophidians in our setting, snake-men. Rules will fit "Lizardmen" well)
"Skaven" (will also have an original name and original background, but you can easily understand them as Skaven)


So, yeah, thats the plan! :D
Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Barbarus on September 13, 2015, 02:18:19 PM
Alright! So we all had some time to play and learn, and I noticed some mistakes and people brought some others to my attention...
We will have a new, revised version of the PDF online in a few days, but I thought I should mention those things anyway...



So, we got:

-Undead Battleboard. "The Horde" can be used with Ghouls, Zombies & Skeletons.
-Wild Tribes Battleboard. "Favored By The Gods" obviously cannot be used by the Chieftain.
-Undead Faction Rules: Skeletons with bows have an armour of 3 in melee.
-Elves Battleboard. The Activation Pool can only be used with a [6].



Alright, guys... as I said...new revised version will be online in a few days. Also a Spanish and German version of the rules.
Stay tuned, have fun!
Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Faber on September 13, 2015, 03:45:22 PM
It sounds really interesting to me. I have many friends playing saga, I tried it and kinda like it: funny and fast. But, historical is ok to me but fantasy is my real love. I downloaded the rules, I'll try them gladly  :D
Please, keep going and sharing!
Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Barbarus on September 13, 2015, 04:13:43 PM

Thank you, Faber!

Really glad to hear that!

And yes, we keep going :D
Last few weeks we have been doing the playtesting for the Orcs... and Dark Elves and Goblins are also ready to be tested now.

Gonna be a lot of fun! Especially those factions I just mentioned, they all have very unique rules and mechanisms on their battleboards.


So long!
Barb
Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Captain Blood on September 13, 2015, 06:35:59 PM
Well, I've still only managed a few games of Saga proper, and I don't really play much pure fantasy (orcs, dwarves etc). But I have to say I am full of admiration for your graphic design skills - the artwork and layout looks awesome from start to finish, so very well done on that, and looking forward to seeing more :)

If you ever feel like producing home-grown supplements for Saga historical, I've been waiting a verrrrry long time for Arthurians and Germanic migrant tribes. Apparently they are still promised by Studio Tomahawk, but still no date yet...

That said, one question... Given that 'Saga' (the rule-set) is a branded property, are you quite sure you're on firm ground with regard to copyright infringement etc?

Obviously there have been many, many homemade factions and battleboards created and touted around since Saga began. But none quite so professionally done as these...

Is it only an infringement of copyright if you try to sell your supplements? (Otherwise it's just a spectacularly well-put together tribute act?)
Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Barbarus on September 13, 2015, 07:28:37 PM
Germanic tribes and Arthurian? Hm. Yeah. That could be interesting.
Lately I was thinking about a Saga-adaptation for very early human tribal warfare.
Maybe early North-American Indian warfare. Or something like Proto-European tribes...




Is it only an infringement of copyright if you try to sell your supplements? (Otherwise it's just a spectacularly well-put together tribute act?)


Exactly. We dont sell anything, therefore it is all fine. Besides, I have the right contacts anyway and AFS is approved and welcomed by those whose copyrights come into play here.  ;)


Oh, and thank you!  :D
Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Steve F on September 13, 2015, 07:57:20 PM
Is it only an infringement of copyright if you try to sell your supplements?

In UK law (Copyright, Designs and Patents Act 1988, heavily amended recently), it is an infringement to make copies, issue copies to the public, adapt a copyright work and copy and/or issue copies of that adaptation without the agreement of the rights holder, whether or not any payment is involved, except for certain exemptions (eg review, making an accessible copy for the personal use of someone with a disability, or the technical act of making a temporary copy on your computer whenever you read something on the internet).  

Rights holders can, of course, agree that someone can adapt, take and issue copies, and apply whatever conditions they want to that agreement (such as, "on condition that you don't charge anything"), which is, I assume from Barbarus's post, what has happened here.  But please don't let anyone think that, "We don't sell anything, therefore it is all fine," is true as a general statement of the law - you could get yourself into trouble that way.
Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Captain Blood on September 13, 2015, 08:30:02 PM
Thanks Steve.

The added factor here is that as a German-registered entity, the forum is governed by German copyright law, which - whilst I am sure also pays attention to the Berne Convention etc - I believe has some different and perhaps more stringent facets, than UK copyright law.
In short, there could be penalties for the forum if we are found to be in any way promoting or giving exposure to a product which infringes someone else's IPR. So we do need to be careful.

However, since I see that Barbarus is also in Germany, and has said he has the necessary agreements, we shall leave it there :)
Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Steve F on September 13, 2015, 08:50:30 PM
in any way promoting or giving exposure to a product which infringes someone else's IPR

Oh, well.  There goes half the forum ...
Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Captain Blood on September 13, 2015, 08:52:29 PM
Yep. That's why we need to be careful...  :)
Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Barbarus on September 13, 2015, 09:17:37 PM
Haha, you guys...  lol yeah, I guess...if it were like that...you could forget half the forum...

Im pretty sure though, that the German law is pretty generous when it comes to these things.
As illustrator I had to read and sign quite a lot of contracts concerning copyrights and read a few articles on that topic. There are some MAJOR differences between German copyright law and those in other countries, especially UK and the United States...

And as I said... it is all fine.
BTW...I also introduced "A Fantastic Saga" in the Studio Tomahawk forum, same day as I posted here ;)
(the Studio Tomahawk forum is full of Saga adaptations... just sayin...)

Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Barbarus on September 22, 2015, 08:37:02 AM

Revised Version 1.1 of our PDF is online now!

All mistakes gone!

http://www.a-fantastic-saga.com/rules-download


So long
and have fun!
Barb

Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Nord on October 30, 2015, 11:04:39 PM
Finally had a go at this tonight. Very well done, me and my opponent both enjoyed it and it's obvious that a lot of thought has been put into the battle boards - certainly for the dwarfs and chaos (wild tribes) we used. We will definitely be playing again, probably trying all four boards eventually. Top marks to the author(s).
Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Nord on October 31, 2015, 11:42:38 AM
Further to my last post, I have blogged my thoughts in more detail.

http://paintsngluenrocknroll.blogspot.co.uk/2015/10/fantasy-saga.html (http://paintsngluenrocknroll.blogspot.co.uk/2015/10/fantasy-saga.html)

I have included some artwork from the pdf, hope you are okay with this. If not, let me know and I will find something else to use. I really enjoyed the game, and will spread the word on other forums.  :)



Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Golgotha on October 31, 2015, 02:17:36 PM
Thank you Barbarus these are a much welcome addition to SAGA methinks and are muchly appreciated.
Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Barbarus on October 31, 2015, 06:19:09 PM

Awww, thank you guys!

And you did a great job on the review, Nord!
And I have seen and read your blog before! Got some great stuff on there!
I feel honored to be represented :D


Soon Orcs and Svartelves (Dark Elves) will be ready to go! Keep looking out for them! I will leave a post here as soon as they are done!
(should be one or two weeks from now)


So long!
Barb
Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Barbarus on November 29, 2015, 12:42:41 AM
Fresh out of the breeding pits they march...

OOOOOOORCS!!!
(http://fs5.directupload.net/images/user/151129/jccfjzsb.jpg) (http://www.directupload.net)

Download:
http://www.a-fantastic-saga.com/rules-download?f=ORCS.pdf


So long, have fun!
Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Golgotha on November 29, 2015, 10:55:34 AM
Excellent addition keep them coming...
Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Barbarus on November 30, 2015, 01:14:14 PM

We will!  :D
Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Nord on November 30, 2015, 04:33:06 PM
I like the feel of the orcs board, nice work. Still to try the elves and undead, but will give them all a go at some time. It's really excellent work you are doing.
Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Barbarus on December 01, 2015, 07:08:03 AM

I am looking forward to your battle reports!
The ones you got are already very nice... its a pleasure to see people moving beautiful minis over a beautiful table using our AFS-rules :D

So, yeah, any compliment coming from you means a lot. Still a big fan of your stuff.



And yes, the Orcs battleboard has a nice feel to it. It took quite some time to balance it.
The Dominance-mechanism was always either too weak or too strong... but in the end it worked out.
It is a pretty tough job now to get that Dominance, but its doable.
And once you get there, it gets easier and easier.
So as an opponent it is a really good idea to go in strong, throw everything you got at the Orcs at the earliest point possible...
If you give them too much time they will get that Dominance up and then youre pretty much done.



BTW... concerning your Dwarves... if you want to beat those Wild Tribes-guys you should definitely try the Golem, a Moving Contraption and a Gyrocopter...
Since it is "Flying" the Gyrocopter can use its full movement range when activated via the battleboard activations... so for a Dwarf you got a lot of flexibility there.
Similar thing with the Moving Contraption and Golem if activated via the Warsmiths "Protective Runes".
In that case the Moving Contraption has its full range of 12" and the Golem its full 6".

If you pumped them up during your Orders Phase using "Maximum Power" the Moving Contraption would move 16" and the Golem 10".
Theyd also benefit from Heavy Impact, giving the Moving Contraption three (!) automatic hits and two for the Golem.

Sooo... "Maximum Power" + "Protective Runes" from the Warsmith gives you a Moving Contraption with a movement of 16", three automatic hits and it counts as being behind Hard Cover.
A Golem would have a movement of 10", two automatic hits, counting as being behind Hard Cover plus its Attributes "Relentless" and "Strong".

Those are two killer combinations. ;)


Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Nord on December 01, 2015, 09:35:56 AM
Thanks for the tips, though I don't have either of those models as yet. My dwarfs are very traditional, they keep their feet firmly on the ground. I probably will eventually have a gyrocopter, possibly a golem too (though would most likely use the Anvil of Doom model), but it would be nice to deal with the wild tribes using my current force. I think next game I will concentrate fire on the chosen rather than the giants. If I can do that, my opponent loses two Saga dice and is thus severely hampered. I am also going to boost my unit numbers, make my dwarf warrior units up to 12 apiece, that should make them more durable. It's early days as yet, finding the chink in my opponent's armour is all part of the fun. The good thing about dwarfs is that you never really lose, you just go back to the hold, have a beer and write up your grumbles in the Book of Grudges.  :D
Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Barbarus on December 03, 2015, 04:40:45 AM
Hm, there are so many cool ways to depict those unit types... I remember I have seen wonderful models for Dwarven zeppelins a couple of times...
And there are so many cool models out there one could use as a golem...

Not to mention all the possibilities for a "Moving Contraption"... a big base with a mighty drilling-machine bursting out of the ground? Some kind of steam-powered Dwarf-Tank? A chariot drawn by a giant ram? A bear? Badgers? lol

Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Barbarus on December 05, 2015, 09:30:54 PM
Here we go again! Evil, sneaky Elves... our take on Dark Elves.


Nocturnelves!

(http://fs5.directupload.net/images/user/151205/idpqov9b.jpg) (http://www.directupload.net)


Download:
http://www.a-fantastic-saga.com/rules-download?f=NOCTURNELVES.pdf
Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Mason on December 06, 2015, 04:38:14 PM
Thanks for sending me over this way, sir.
These boards look great.
I shall get the boys to have a crack at them in the new year once the holidays are out of the way.
 8) 8)

Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Barbarus on December 06, 2015, 05:05:13 PM
Happy to hear that!  :D


Here in Germany we already got a little AFS "scene". It is really great to see it grow like that.

I shall ask some of the guys to show their AFS projects here, that might inspire some people.


So long!
Barb

Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Gabbi on December 14, 2015, 10:39:14 PM
Wow, how I had missed this?!? Looks very interesting. Just had a quick look, and I have a question: in Wild Tribes section there's written that Up to one point of Warriors can be fielded as Warhounds. These are still Warriors, so fielded as unit of 8, not 6 (as they aren't a Creature Pack) right?
Also, Wild Tribes look more as an adaption of chaos marauders alone, than whole Warriors of Chaos, am I wrong? Good part is I will be able to use my Saga Vikings  :)

Anyway, this add-on looks VERY interesting, and also has quite a pro looking layout. Very well done, thank you for sharing! I love Saga, but I have similar experience to you: people seem to prefer fantasy. I'm going to have some more games of Saga now, me thinks (I have a friend urging me to play AoS with him, I could convert him to Saga if only Stormcast were available *hint* :D )
I'll go back reading the whole thread now.
Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Barbarus on December 15, 2015, 01:37:16 PM

Hey hey!  :D


Yes, the Warhounds are Warriors.
If you go and buy 2 points of Warriors for your warband up to one of those points can be fielded as Warhounds.

That means one unit of up to 8 models. You could always use less, of course.

You could make 5 Warhounds and put the remaining 3 Warriors in your other unit.

As an example, that would give you a unit of 5 Warhounds and 11 regular Warriors.




And yes, the Wild Tribes are pretty generic Barbarians.
You can compare them to the Norsca Barbarians from Warhammer.
Or see them as Germanic Tribes throughout history.

When I developed them the image I had in mind was a mixture of Germanic tribes and all the feral tribes from the Conan-universe.



So long!
Have fun!
Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: mikeygees on December 15, 2015, 07:52:24 PM
"Lately I was thinking about a Saga-adaptation for very early human tribal warfare."

Ooooo please do...
Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Barbarus on December 15, 2015, 08:12:34 PM

Haha  lol

I think I will, but I need to get these other ideas out of my head first :D

So, atm AFS is definitely my priority... but once it is all done I will take a gander and see what else I can do with the "Saga engine".

There are so many topics one can tackle with good basic skirmish rules.
Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Gabbi on December 15, 2015, 09:03:55 PM
I would suggest for direct links to pdf files instead of compressed file called via php for easier access from phone. :)


[edit]
cut of technical blurb about my backtracking inside your files :P
Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Barbarus on December 16, 2015, 03:13:56 PM

I have no idea what you are talking about.  lol

Maybe I should ask our "tech guy"....

Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Argonor on December 16, 2015, 06:00:23 PM
Probably going to try this out when I get my gaming/painting mojo back.

Right now I cannot motivate myself for anything just remotely hobby-related...
Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Barbarus on December 16, 2015, 06:24:57 PM

Ah, dude. Dont worry.

I had that a couple of times. And the mojo always comes back.  :D



Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Barbarus on December 22, 2015, 05:36:41 AM

New version of the RULES-PDF online!
Now includes quicksheets for Orcs & Nocturnelves.
And available in two tasty variants:
Light web-flavored and thick print.  ;)
Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Napalm Backflip on December 23, 2015, 07:40:29 PM
Color me extremely interested! Between this and Frostgrave it definitely looks like I'm swinging back to the fantasy side of my gaming spectrum.
Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Barbarus on December 25, 2015, 05:19:39 PM

Hey hey! Cool thing!

It has been the same for me. Working on AFS and playing Frostgrave brought me back to my first gaming love, fantasy.

It is definitely going well, it seems AFS sort of "struck a nerve" and a lot of people have found their way back to the fantasy-thing.
(Dragon Rampant might do the same for some people, but I personally dont like the the Lion Rampant-rules, so DR wont be for me, I guess)


It is especially popular in Germany, judging from the number of downloads there, a reason might be that we have our own section for AFS in my favorite German forum:

http://www.tabletopwelt.de/index.php?/forum/490-a-fantastic-saga/


There are also some really nice projects to be seen in the "Armeeprojekte"-sections of the forum.
Two projects that really stick out are these here:

http://www.tabletopwelt.de/index.php?/topic/151349-luferox-die-zwerge-vom-blutpass-a-fantastic-saga-p250/page-19

http://www.tabletopwelt.de/index.php?/topic/151381-gruftischlumpf-krieg-der-g%C3%B6tter-mix-p500/


If anyone wants to get involved there... feel free, do not hesitate, most Germans speak English anyway.



greetz!
Barb
Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Barbarus on January 20, 2016, 01:47:59 PM


Now that Dragon Rampant has been published, here is an interesting comparison between it and our A Fantastic Saga:

http://paintsngluenrocknroll.blogspot.co.uk/2016/01/dragon-rampant-or-saga.html



Have a good one!
Barb
Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: minijunkie on January 20, 2016, 05:45:31 PM

Now that Dragon Rampant has been published, here is an interesting comparison between it and our A Fantastic Saga:

http://paintsngluenrocknroll.blogspot.co.uk/2016/01/dragon-rampant-or-saga.html



Have a good one!
Barb

This thread, and that article, have really captured my interest for trying Saga (I'm not keen on historical). I just wish it was easier to get Saga rules/dice in Canada!  I was able to order the e book of DR very easily, and a hard copy from Amazon (plus no special dice needed).

That said, I'm going to keep trying. I'm hoping I wont have to order direct from Gripping Beast in Europe, due to shipping times/cost and exchange rates etc.
Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Barbarus on January 20, 2016, 10:15:24 PM
Thank you, glad to hear that!

I think the SAGA-rules are for a totally different kind of gamer than the Rampant-rules...

Therefore both have their place, but one should know what one is getting into with these games.
If you are the kind of guy that thinks "gaming" and "thinking" are contradictory to one another and you just want an "excuse" to meet with some friends and move some of your painted miniatures, then you should try Dragon Rampant/Lion Rampant.
If you, on the other hand, need a bit of a mental challenge to consider a game "fun", you would have to go with the SAGA-rules.


BTW minijunkie:
I will send you a PM!


So long,
Barb!

Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Nord on January 20, 2016, 11:10:07 PM
This thread, and that article, have really captured my interest for trying Saga (I'm not keen on historical). I just wish it was easier to get Saga rules/dice in Canada!  I was able to order the e book of DR very easily, and a hard copy from Amazon (plus no special dice needed).

That said, I'm going to keep trying. I'm hoping I wont have to order direct from Gripping Beast in Europe, due to shipping times/cost and exchange rates etc.

Note you don't have to buy the saga dice. You can download the symbols from the Saga website and print them off, stick them to dice. Or buy blank dice and paint on your own - seriously this is what I did. Or just use numbered dice - this is all you need to play fantastic saga anyway as it's not designed with symbols.
Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Barbarus on January 23, 2016, 11:41:49 PM
That is correct. You need some normal dice and that is it.

Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: seldon on February 06, 2016, 05:12:23 AM
fantastic saga = fantastic work...

thanks for posting your work... it will be enjoyed :)

cheers
Francisco
Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Barbarus on February 17, 2016, 07:08:50 AM
Hey there, seldon! Thx!


btw... I attached a little something I just made... it is not pretty, but it will do its job just fine.
It is a PDF with a timeline showing the different steps throughout a Melee in SAGA.
I bet a lot of people will find this very handy.
Edit: Ok. Weird. Seem LAF wont let me attach the PDF.
In which case... we have to try something else:
http://www.tabletopwelt.de/index.php?app=core&module=attach&section=attach&attach_id=287911
There we go. That should work.


I also got a teaser for our next release:

(http://www.tabletopwelt.de/uploads/post-32279-0-56855600-1453835934.jpg)
(http://www.tabletopwelt.de/uploads/post-32279-0-41476700-1453835937.jpg)
(http://www.tabletopwelt.de/uploads/post-32279-0-03955900-1453835939.jpg)




So long, guys! Have fun!
Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Gabbi on February 17, 2016, 08:28:51 AM
I also got a teaser for our next release:
I'm just gathering the last bits for my OGaM and 7th Voyage projects... seems I'll be able to use some of the stuff here, too :D
Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Barbarus on February 21, 2016, 12:44:14 AM
Yeah, that is the beauty of it. I really like it when I can use the same miniatures for several game systems.

Of Gods And Mortals certainly is a good match for AFS. Especially if you think about statements I made earlier.
They are all still true. My plans are still to give AFS more a feel of an Antiquity timeline, rather than happening in medieval times.
There will be Pseudo-Romans posing as our "Empire", there will be Celts. Maybe even more, might also do Persians.


Greetings!
Barb
Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: pancakeonions on March 14, 2016, 06:36:14 PM
Aw man, all I see for the "preview" above is a blank white space!

I'm eager to try A Fantastic Saga, this is what I've been looking for!
Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Barbarus on March 16, 2016, 01:15:56 AM
Really?
I can see the images. Does anyone else have problems with them?

Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Longstrider on March 16, 2016, 04:08:01 AM
Really?
I can see the images. Does anyone else have problems with them?


Only that I really want to be in those images playing those games. I really like the sound of going for a more mediterranean antiquity feel. If you ramp up the fantasy enough one could justify everything from Assyrians and New Kingdom Egyptians to classical Greeks to Republican Romans to Persians to Successors to Indians and Persians and a bunch of other stuff on the table. After all, what I really need is an excuse to get some big ol' boxes of Victrix ancients and supplement those with some metal chariot age stuff, right? :P
Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Barbarus on March 16, 2016, 02:43:01 PM

Exactly.  lol

And you are lucky. The "Archaeans" are finished. I am currently working on the artwork and background, but rule-wise they are done.

And they are a lot of fun, trust me.



Assyrians, Persians, Babylonians are basically the matrix for the Undead in AFS. If you read the background you will see that the "plague of the Undead" started somewhere in the South-East and that travellers tell about deserted cities with giant ziggurats swarming with Undead...



And yes, the Romans will make an appearance too.
Simply called "The Empire". Quite practical. Cause people can read a lot into that name. I am certain there will be a lot of people using Warhammer-Empire-miniatures to depict our "Empire" in AFS.

But it will be obvious that they are some kind of Roman, of course. With troops called "Legionnaries" and "Praetorians" and Saga Abilities with names like "Testudo" or "Incursio"...




Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Gabbi on March 17, 2016, 08:35:05 AM
Thanks for the constant work, Barbarus! Can't wait to check Archaeans :)
Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Longstrider on March 20, 2016, 08:00:58 PM
All of that sounds great. Really very excited about it all.

On a side note, is it possible to make smaller versions of the PDFs? The file sizes are all large - which isn't really a problem, but rendering them on tablets sometimes takes a while. Very minor quibble though, of course.
Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Barbarus on March 24, 2016, 06:20:27 AM
I will ask my pal who puts those PDFs together.


The Archaeans are basically finished now, said pal just got the material from me and just has to do the layout for the PDF now.
Meanwhile I have been working on the artwork for the faction after the Archaeans, the Troglodytes:

(http://fs5.directupload.net/images/user/160324/4kdbjif8.jpg)

Nasty cave-dwellers! Coming soon!  ;D
Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Longstrider on April 02, 2016, 05:53:38 PM
Thanks for checking in with the layout person, that's very nice of you.
Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: DivisMal on April 02, 2016, 06:24:02 PM
Really great news. This keeps getting better and better!
Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: APhilmon on April 12, 2016, 04:12:42 AM
I guess I have something to download and read!
Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Barbarus on April 12, 2016, 01:48:33 PM

Please do ;)


Meanwhile we are all waiting for the next factions... myself included. Sent the material to my layout-guy a while ago but he is just too busy with his work atm.
So we gotta play the waiting game a bit longer. Meh.  :?

But... soooon. Soooooon.

Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Barbarus on April 29, 2016, 05:31:22 PM
Treacherous gods and immortal heroes enter the stage!
The Archaeans are here!

(http://fs5.directupload.net/images/user/160429/2whzwvlm.jpg)


Download:
http://www.a-fantastic-saga.com/rules-download?f=ARCHAENS.pdf



Have Fun!
Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Longstrider on May 01, 2016, 06:19:37 PM
Oh man! I'm very excited to see this. Right, that's it then off to get my hoplites out of storage.

Thanks again!

BTW, I don't know how one goes about this, but I'm really curious as to how your group is working on this. I can't offer much right now (other than proofreading, really) as at this moment I'm basically just playing Saga at home with one friend. That said, we could probably try doing some playtesting too, if you guys need that.
Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Barbarus on May 02, 2016, 12:00:08 AM


Well, it starts with me having an idea for a faction... though usually I first have the idea for a Battleboard, meaning a certain concept of how a warband could behave... then I ask myself what kind of narrative context I can find for that fighting style = what kind of race would fit there.

Then I start working on the battleboard, constantly re-writing it over weeks until I have my 12 abilities and am fairly sure that it has the potential to work and that the costs for the abilities are about right.

Then I start play-testing. I have a handful of friends who help me with that. But there is one among them who is willing to sacrifice as much time on this project as I do.
That means I usually go over there, we have a look at the Battleboard and then we try to have as many matches as we can, taking turns with the new board.

Usually there comes a point, after a few weeks, where it has become clear that one of us is getting the hang of the new board. That means from that point on he will be the one using that board while the other one tries all the other factions against it and to "break" the new board, find its weaknesses and strengths.

This process can take very long, but it also can be a lucky shot. The Nocturnelves were such a lucky shot. We had fewer test matches with them than with any other faction because from the beginning it all pretty much worked perfectly.

I also have a friend who has a group of Saga-players he can sometimes get together and try a new board for me.
He is also quite skilled in writing Battleboards (he does "Zen Saga", a Samurai version of Saga, but sadly only in German)
So I value his input and we usually discuss the Battleboards for weeks before I call them "finished".

Once a faction is "finished" rule-wise I go and do the artwork and write down the background.

Then another friend comes into play and does the layout for the PDFs.





And yes, you guys could be of help, if you are willing to play a lot of matches in a short amount of time.
If you are able to do... I dunno... lets say 10 matches in 2 weeks, that would be very helpful.
That is about that rythm that my friends and I have going when a new faction is tested.



So long!
Barb
Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: tancrede on May 02, 2016, 09:08:22 AM
And I must say you have done a very good work.
I hope to test the fantasy version of my favorite game soon....
Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Barbarus on May 03, 2016, 12:12:54 AM
Thank you, Tancrede :D


Alright, so I finally got around to taking some pictures of my very own Wild Tribes... enjoy!

The horde approaches...
(http://fs5.directupload.net/images/user/160503/gtfqasiz.jpg)


The Chieftain...
(http://fs5.directupload.net/images/user/160503/uu9dn39a.jpg)
(http://fs5.directupload.net/images/user/160503/eqxu9xej.jpg)


The Chieftain and his Chosen...
(http://fs5.directupload.net/images/user/160503/7ebwowjc.jpg)
(http://fs5.directupload.net/images/user/160503/mvprscjh.jpg)
(http://fs5.directupload.net/images/user/160503/v9wpo4nc.jpg)


A giant Monstrosity, ready to tear the enemy apart...
(http://fs5.directupload.net/images/user/160503/vboni47p.jpg)


Another monster in the warband... the Troll...
(http://fs5.directupload.net/images/user/160503/2lg7dscb.jpg)


Both creatures amidst the ranks of Warriors...
(http://fs5.directupload.net/images/user/160503/gq4bgd7z.jpg)


And random shots of the warband...
(http://fs5.directupload.net/images/user/160503/jgxdzvl8.jpg)
(http://fs5.directupload.net/images/user/160503/osjy3yyz.jpg)
(http://fs5.directupload.net/images/user/160503/dvmzldg8.jpg)




So long, guys!
Barb
Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: ayak333 on May 03, 2016, 04:58:51 AM
That is an awesome army!
Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: DivisMal on May 03, 2016, 07:30:33 AM
Impressive. I like especially how you blend "historical" and "fantasy" models into one nicely looking army!
Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Argonor on May 03, 2016, 09:30:48 AM
Impressive display of painting and modelling!

That bear is a wonderful sculpt, what manufacturer is it from, please?
Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: affun on May 03, 2016, 10:16:06 AM
What an amazing warband! Between that, the work you are putting into fantastic saga, and the recently announced campaign supplement, I went ahead and ordered the first part of my own warband.
Really great and inspiring stuff!
Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Argonor on May 03, 2016, 10:39:15 AM
I went ahead and ordered the first part of my own warband.

Which one? We might have a tussle at Horisont (or Attic Attack), if you are going?
Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: affun on May 03, 2016, 10:56:11 AM
Which one? We might have a tussle at Horisont (or Attic Attack), if you are going?

Definitely going to Horisont, and will try and attend the Attic Attack as well.
Starting out with vikings, as they fit into my fantasy-stuff as well.

Plan is to buy the rest of my 4 pt starter next month.
Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Argonor on May 03, 2016, 12:10:40 PM
Definitely going to Horisont, and will try and attend the Attic Attack as well.
Starting out with vikings, as they fit into my fantasy-stuff as well.

Plan is to buy the rest of my 4 pt starter next month.

OK, don't know if I shall have a usable Viking army by then, but we shall see!

Now, back on topic, and sorry about this short hijack!
Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Barbarus on May 03, 2016, 02:51:26 PM

Thank you very much, guys!

And yes, I think that blend of "historical" and "fantasy" is what makes AFS especially appealing...





@Argonor

That bear is just great, isnt it? I saw that mini somewhere online and panicked when I found out it was from a Reaper range and out of production.
But I found it in some dusty, dubious online store that seemed likt it hadnt been updated since the year 2000 :D

Maybe you get lucky too... just have a look!

Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Argonor on May 03, 2016, 03:49:23 PM
@Argonor

That bear is just great, isnt it? I saw that mini somewhere online and panicked when I found out it was from a Reaper range and out of production.
But I found it in some dusty, dubious online store that seemed likt it hadnt been updated since the year 2000 :D

Maybe you get lucky too... just have a look!

Well, I'll rummage around a bit without setting my hopes too high, then. Thanks!
Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Barbarus on May 05, 2016, 08:22:28 AM

BTW, who spotted the theme in my army? It is quite obvious :D



And also: How about a bit of a "request programme"?

Troglodytes & Goblins will be the next two factions for AFS.

But what would you guys like to see after them? Are there wishes, ideas?

Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Nord on May 05, 2016, 03:27:34 PM
Lovely warband, really like the mix of figures, nice earthy palette too. Not sure of the theme - hairy?
Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Barbarus on May 06, 2016, 12:52:17 AM

Yes, sort of. It is "fur". There is not a single model in that warband that does not have any fur on it.

And when choosing the miniatures I also made sure they had no chainmail on them... I thought the only kind of armour they had should be leather or just really rough looking metal plates.

Well, and the huge amount of naked skin also ties them together, obviously.



How are your Dwarves doing? Work going alright? I wanna see a 10 points Dwarves warband by the end of the summer! :D Your little stumps are just too pretty!









Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: affun on May 06, 2016, 06:57:30 AM
I would have requested Feudal Fantasy Knights,but then I realized that the Normans, Ordo Milites and Crusader lists cover that excellently.
Actually, with all the regular Saga warbands and the ones you have made, you can probably make pretty much anything.

Which is pretty damn neat  :D
Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: mcfonz on May 06, 2016, 06:58:53 AM
The rules are great! I plan to use them with the kids I work with so will be assembling warbands from the miniatures I already have. Can't wait for the gobbo list - I have been working on a model that may just be the ticket for its leader!

(http://i.imgur.com/2vCoOfX.jpg)
Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Nord on May 06, 2016, 08:52:31 AM
Nice work on the goblin throne!

Not sure on new warbands. I couldn't believe my luck when the first four boards were released as they exactly matched my minis collection. Four fully painted armies I could use again! So I never really needed anything else. I do also have some orcs and goblins, again pretty much covered by the sound of things. My mates have dark elves, empire and beastmen, not sure if they would be of interest to your group?

Have you considered making Lord of the Rings boards? Potentially already covered I guess by others, though nobody has produced anything as accomplished as your efforts. A low fantasy version of elves, dwarves, orcs, Rohan, Gondor, etc. Not sure there's much mileage in the idea to be honest.
Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Hedwerx on May 06, 2016, 12:10:14 PM
Looks fun, will have to try this out.
One thing though, the readability of your website needs some work.
Black on dark brown makes it difficult to make out the text.
Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Barbarus on May 06, 2016, 02:33:58 PM

Thx, guys!
Let me go through these things point by point...

I start with you, Hedwerx: Yes, your are right. Of course. But the website is a temporary thing anyway.
Soon there will be a "proper" page, with pictures of our miniatures (mine, and the other guys stuff)...
also smaller files, the "web versions" of our PDFs. Up until now there are only the High-Rez-Print-Versions on there.


Then over to you, Nord!
Yes, I will cover Lord Of The Rings. Also Game Of Thrones.
Right after Im done with AFS, which might be as early as March 2017.
I think Im gonna call them "Saga Of The Rings" and "Saga Of Thrones".
SOTR and SOT :D


And next is mcfonz! Great to hear this!
And great, great, greeeaaat Goblin Chief! :D
Actually pretty perfect to represent the Goblin warlord we created...

Lets go into the "races" that are available at this point:

Undead
Dwarves
Wild Tribes
Elves
Nocturnelves
Orcs
Archaeans

Next will be Troglodytes, in a couple of days!
Next one after them will be the Goblins!

Factions still to come:

The Empire (Fantasy-Romans, if you will... but perfect to field any kind of really heavy infantry and/or cavalry... so, Im looking at you...affun! :D)
The Satyroi (Beastmen, based on Satyrs to stay with our "mythological Antiquity" theme)

One other faction I wont talk about, it is a surprise... no one expects them, but they are awesome.

And in addition to those three maybe a Demon-faction.Would call them "Shades Of Hades", I guess. Basically a ghostly army of creatures from the underworld...
And maybe a sort-of-Persian faction... and maybe an ogre-like faction...and maybe a "Lizardmen" faction...





Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Barbarus on May 08, 2016, 07:45:39 PM
We hit the ground running... and crouching, and crawling...

From the chasms below the stench of death rises...
Those who enter, never return...

The Troglodytes are here!



(http://fs5.directupload.net/images/user/160508/hmqmpqde.jpg)


Download:
http://www.a-fantastic-saga.com/rules-download?f=TROGLODYTES.pdf

Have fun!
Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Argonor on May 08, 2016, 08:46:44 PM
What minis is this based on?  :)
Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: pelonas on May 08, 2016, 09:18:15 PM
Really love the ideas, and also the fursome army. Lovely painting. Out of interest, where is the troll miniature from?
Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Barbarus on May 08, 2016, 09:20:27 PM
@pelonas
That is a model from Reaper... pretty old, I think. And I think they label it as "ogre".


@Argonor

Whatever you like!

A lot of people will probably use their Skaven...

I use GW Hobbit plastic goblins for the "Wretches", the plastic soldiers for Frostgrave mixed with parts from GW ghouls for the "Defilers"...
Reaper models for the "Critters"... and my "Lurkers" are a mix of bulky ghoulish looking types from different manufacturers...
Oh, and a troll from Heresy as my "Cave Troll"! :D
Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Barbarus on May 10, 2016, 01:40:30 PM


AFS has a Facebook group now:
https://www.facebook.com/groups/afantasticsaga/


Cheers!
Barb
Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Gabbi on May 12, 2016, 10:17:59 AM
Thank you for the constant work, Barbarus!
Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Argonor on May 12, 2016, 10:05:13 PM
Quick question - is fantasy saga compatible with historical saga?
That is, could I use one of the factions/battleboards from historical saga against one of the fantasy saga factions/battleboards?
Have they been balanced to play against each other?
I'm thinking that I may want to use, for example, my Normans against some Elves. Just wondered if that would work and if anyone had tried something like that.

Try it, and share the experience!  :)
Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Barbarus on May 13, 2016, 08:45:45 AM

Hey, guys!


@Gabbi:  ;)


@the others:

The AFS factions were never intended to be played against the regular Saga factions, because from the start I knew I had to give the AFS races abilities that are much more over-the-top and dramatic and destructive than the abilities the standard factions in Saga have.

So, the balancing was always within AFS itself, the factions were balanced against each other and not against the Dark Age or Crusade factions.

BUT ...I have seen people doing it, playing the AFS factions against the regular ones.
And the thing is, if you have two not-so-experienced players... it doesnt really matter.
Their lists arent maxed out, the combination of units isnt the optimum one and they dont have that much experience with the Battleboards and dont use the most effective sequences of abilities....

In these cases it doesnt really matter, will feel like the factions are pretty even.

If you have two experienced players though... things will look quite different. In this case the AFS player would have the advantage and probably just crush his opponent.

What I usually recommend for smaller games is to use a point advantage for the Dark Age/Crusade player and not to use the Warlocks from AFS.

Have the AFS player use a 6/7 point list and give the other player 7/8 points. That seems to do the trick.

But Im not sure if this is still viable if used with higher numbers of points, the advantage of a single point could be too small then. (8 & 9 points, 9 & 10 points, or even above...)




And some news from the AFS dungeon!  lol

Currently working on three new factions simultaneously... not including the Goblins, which are almost finished.
Dont really know how quickly I can get these three factions done... cause developing the basic rules concept for one usually takes just a couple of weeks, but testing and tweaking it takes months...

But the Goblins will be ready soon and Im pretty certain I can get another two factions done by the end of the year... at that point AFS would offer 11 factions to choose from.


So long!
Barb
Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Duke Donald on May 13, 2016, 11:31:14 AM
Thanks for this wonderful effort. I just went through the whole thread and downloaded all the files. I've never played Saga so far but now I'm seriously tempted.
Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Barbarus on May 15, 2016, 10:48:06 AM

Yay! Welcome on board!

Saga is a seriously ingenious game. Basic stats for the (few) profiles it has, but making huge differences between all factions possible by providing each with this Battleboard - a sort of "control panel"...

It is so simple, yet so good I seriously have no idea why no one came up ealier with this concept.
But maybe those are the best inventions, anyway.



Tell us about your experiences, once you dive in!
The Lead Adventure Forum is in serious need of mor Saga battle reports!


Cheers!
Barb
Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Barbarus on June 03, 2016, 11:50:03 AM

(@Argonor: btw, great to see that your hobby-mojo is back! Remember what I told you in December? :D)



@all

Anyone who is interested in building an Archaeans force for AFS should have a look at this:

https://uk.trictrac.net/news/mythic-battles-pantheon

I am very tempted by this. You basically get all the creatures you could ever want for the Archaeans in one big set...
Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Argonor on June 03, 2016, 03:51:22 PM
(@Argonor: btw, great to see that your hobby-mojo is back! Remember what I told you in December? :D)


I am actually still in a bit of a painting-limbo, allthough I force myself to get something done for Blood Eagle (which will, eventually, grow into SAGA forces), and have just finished a pirate for the current Painting Club (white glue is settling with the tufts and leaves o the base as we speak).

But, yes, I make a bit of progress, and as soon as I get some games played, my motivation will probably return to me.
Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: sean_68333 on June 03, 2016, 06:48:57 PM
This looks awesome!  Thanks for all the time you put into this and for sharing it with us.
Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Argonor on June 17, 2016, 09:48:55 PM
I recently purchased a painted GW High Elf army, and was today looking into the factions of AFS - but it seems you have only covered the woodland kin and the evil ones. I can probably use the Wood Elf list for now, but I miss the heavy cavalry choices (such as Dragon Princes and Silver Helms).

Can you lift the veil a bit on, whether you have something planned for the High Elves somewhen in the future?
Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Sangennaru on June 19, 2016, 11:40:25 AM
I'll follow the voices thanking your for your amazing work! Definitely an amazing endeavor! :)
Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Barbarus on June 24, 2016, 02:33:20 AM
Thank you, guys!
Happy to be of service ;)



@Argonor

The Elves as they are are supposed to be a mix of Wood Elves, High Elves... I wasnt just thinking in Warhammer-terms, that is important to remember. I just wanted to create a list where you could fit in typical units from Warhammers Elves...

And I think you can: you have the option for heavy cavalry with the "Stormriders". Very effective unit when combined with the Battleboard Ability "Like Winter Winds"...
So there you have the means to use your Dragon Princes or Silver Helms...

The "Windriders" are also very effective and you can obviously use your Ellyrian Reavers...

"High Guard", "Spearmen", "Rangers", "Archers" are all very obvious, I think...

You also got the "Giant Eagle"... the Shooting Contraptions are also very effective in the Elves list, so there you have your Spear Throwers...
and the Moving Contraptions are also nice and perfect to cover the chariots.


And the Elven Battleboards focus on movement and archery is perfect to embody High Elves and Wood Elves as well, I think...
So, yeah, I dont have anything planned that is even more "High Elvish" than our Elves...



So long, have fun!
Barb
Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Sangennaru on June 24, 2016, 07:52:03 PM
Ah, as a simple note: your PDFs are WAYS too big, when creating them there's an option to compress the images, they could be one fifth as heavy as they are now!
Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Barbarus on August 13, 2016, 04:48:58 AM

Once again, I would like to direct your attention to the fact that A Fantastic Saga has a Facebook-group now.

Currently there is a lot of nice content generated by the people in that group... something new almost daily and a lot of nice minis to look at.

So come and join the group!




So long!
Barb
Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Barbarus on August 17, 2016, 10:48:31 PM
The Caves Have Eyes




9 points of Troglodytes!




In the shadows they lurk, from the shadows they come...
(http://fs5.directupload.net/images/user/160815/uznhhoww.jpg)


The Warlord who will be used as "Howler" as well as "Pack Master" variant, and his "Defilers"
(http://fs5.directupload.net/images/user/160815/c9p4bk2i.jpg)
(http://fs5.directupload.net/images/user/160815/ry5odxcb.jpg)


Next in the chain of command, the saggy old hag that poses as my "Blightmage" and these little fire-bugs behind her are my "Spitters"
(http://fs5.directupload.net/images/user/160815/lzrgjj8v.jpg)


Here she is again, better photo
(http://fs5.directupload.net/images/user/160815/jf67buzq.jpg)



Climbing down from long forgotten ruins, the mighty Cave Troll
(http://fs5.directupload.net/images/user/160815/uln7c4nh.jpg)



The dreadful "Cave Fiend", a giant worm tunneling its way through the rock...
(http://fs5.directupload.net/images/user/160815/vcn79byb.jpg)
(http://fs5.directupload.net/images/user/160815/hnervvym.jpg)



And these spiders, which will be used as "Critters" or "Lurkers", depending on the opponents I face
(http://fs5.directupload.net/images/user/160815/yovycejt.jpg)





Enjoy this trip into the dark caves of AFS!
Barb
Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: dijit on August 18, 2016, 07:08:02 AM
Lovely paintwork!
Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Little Odo on August 18, 2016, 07:14:58 AM
A fantastic army for a fantastic SAGA
Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Globlin on August 18, 2016, 08:40:28 AM
Nice mix of different models and manufacturers. Your painting really brings them together as a coherent group.
Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Pappa Midnight on August 18, 2016, 11:05:33 AM
What an incredible amount of work you have put into this! You obviously have a love for the hobby and it shows.
I currently own the original SAGA as well as C&C and would like to thank you for all of your effort bringing in fantasy elements (saving me the headache) in such a well presented manner.
Just one small question. Any thoughts on "tweaks" of the Dwarf Board for use as Chaos Dwarfs?

Regards
PM
Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Barbarus on August 18, 2016, 06:53:22 PM

Thank you very much, guys!

And yeah, I think the painting style brings the minis together... it is something I have been experimenting with for a few years now... doing a colour scheme but not a strict scheme.
I used purple to tie all the units together, but there are dozens of different shades.

I think this is a much more interesting way to achieve coherence than the usual same-colour-all-over-thing.
And frankly that latter method drives me insane.
After painting 20 models using the same five colours you can drive me to the next mental institution...



@Pappa Midnight

Thanks! Yeah. This hobby is very important to me. It keeps me sane :D

And I thought quite a bit about Chaos Dwarves.
But there are other races that need work.
Maybe after I am done with the factions I would call the "core factions" I will go on and do some stuff like Chaos Dwarvish folks.

Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Steam Flunky on August 19, 2016, 05:19:36 PM
That troglodyte army is fantastic!!!
Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Barbarus on August 23, 2016, 09:34:20 AM

Thank you!



Und ich hab dein HdR-Projekt hier im Forum gesehen. Richtig gut.
Hätte gern mal gegen dich gespielt und diese hübschen Minis in Aktion gesehen.
Is echt schade, hab nämlich bis vor Kurzem in Bochum gewohnt.
Jetzt wohn ich zu weit weg... :/
Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Barbarus on October 31, 2016, 12:26:14 PM

Well, well!

It has been a while. Real life trouble had kept me from pursuing work on AFS, but now I am back and in attack mode!  >:(

The Goblins/Kobaloi have been revised. Last few test matches showed there were some major problems with their Battleboard, so I tried to fix it. The next games will tell if they are ready to be made public.

I also completed the writing process on "The Empire" and this faction will be tested over the next few months.
I can already tell that this one will be A LOT of fun!
Very rewarding Battleboard. There are some abilities on there that are very hard to use right, but if you pull it off its gonna be a bloodshed among your enemies!



What else?
Well, Game Of Thrones got my attention and I realized I wanted to do my GoT Saga-mod in a fashion different from what I am doing with AFS.

I wrote the rules for "A Saga Of Ice And Fire" (SIF) and these will not be tested before being made public ... and they will be made public very soon...
testing them falls to the community this time!
People can send me their feedback and I will go over it and adjust rules accordingly.
I will give this a try and we will see how it works.

Soon I will open a new thread in this forum, specifically for that purpose.

Keep your eyes open!



PS:
For all the Lord Of The Rings-lovers... Im gonna do that Saga version the "AFS way", meaning I will test the rules with my "team" before releasing them to the world.
Probalby gonna start writing the rules in January and probably will have them ready to be tested somewhere around March/April... judging from past experience I would say this means they will be ready about six months later... so around this time next year the LOTR-mod will probably be out!
Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Hobgoblin on October 31, 2016, 12:34:37 PM

For all the Lord Of The Rings-lovers... Im gonna do that Saga version the "AFS way", meaning I will test the rules with my "team" before releasing them to the world.
Probalby gonna start writing the rules in January and probably will have them ready to be tested somewhere around March/April... judging from past experience I would say this means they will be ready about six months later... so around this time next year the LOTR-mod will probably be out!


You might well already know it, but Unfinished Tales is invaluable to any one wanting to recreate Middle Earth warfare - in particular "The Battle of the Fords of the Isen" and "The Disaster of the Gladden Fields". Both have lots of detail on tactics, strengths and weaknesses of the forces involved.
Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Barbarus on December 22, 2016, 03:46:03 PM
Merry Christmas, everybody!

Here are your presents: they are small, mean and they reek:
the Kobaloi!
  lol


(http://fs5.directupload.net/images/user/161222/qeg7ndxy.jpg)


Download:
http://www.a-fantastic-saga.com/rules-download?f=AFS_Kobaloi_PRINT.pdf





Cheers!
Have fun over the holidays!
Barb
Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Argonor on December 22, 2016, 04:21:21 PM
already saw this on the FB page, but it is quite up my alley! It may make me revisit my Moria Goblin Army which I started for God of Battles, but which stalled due to the number of models required.  :)
Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Barbarus on December 30, 2016, 04:56:22 PM

Nice! Definitely wanna see your Moria Goblins!
(and remember that I am also working on a LOTR version of Saga ;) )

It is just so, so good to have a large "pool" of miniatures to choose from to play different games with.

I met a couple of new AFS players over the last few weeks and they currently use their fantasy miniatures for AFS, Frostgrave, old Warhammer editions (4-7) and Kings Of War.
I call that versatile.  :D




Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Argonor on December 30, 2016, 07:27:34 PM
Nice! Definitely wanna see your Moria Goblins!
(and remember that I am also working on a LOTR version of Saga ;) )

It is just so, so good to have a large "pool" of miniatures to choose from to play different games with.

I met a couple of new AFS players over the last few weeks and they currently use their fantasy miniatures for AFS, Frostgrave, old Warhammer editions (4-7) and Kings Of War.
I call that versatile.  :D

I use my fantasy minis for Blood Eagle, God of Battles, soon for AFS, and maybe also somewhen in the future for KoW - and my Christmas Wars project. And multi-purposing is my hobby mantra - I simply do not buy and/or paint minis if I cannot think of at least two different games to use them for  :D

Am looking forward to the LotR version, but I am probably soon getting into AFS with some GW High Elves and my Lizardman legions (both armies bought 2nd-hand this last summer/autumn). The Goblins need a lot of work to become a playable force, but I may start expanding them by using them as allies for one of my God of Battles armies...
Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Barbarus on January 08, 2017, 01:57:17 PM
Gentlemen, blow your trumpets! ;)
The Empire is here!


(http://fs5.directupload.net/images/user/170108/cfevmp9z.jpg)


Download:
http://www.a-fantastic-saga.com/rules-download?f=AFS_Empire_PRINT.pdf


Have fun!
Barb
Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Argonor on January 08, 2017, 08:02:26 PM
Hmmm... I do have those WGF late republican legionaires I wanted to paint some warbands for OGAM and Broken Legions from... Need to find time, though...  ::)
Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Barbarus on January 12, 2017, 07:36:09 PM

Yeah, everyone has either some Romans or Warhammer Empire troops lying around  lol

Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Tactalvanic on January 14, 2017, 09:25:54 AM
Great stuff, thank you  :)

Now I really need to get more stuff painted  ;D
Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Argonor on January 14, 2017, 12:14:12 PM
Now I really need to get more stuff painted  ;D

Don't we all?  lol  ;)
Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Barbarus on February 11, 2017, 10:20:58 PM

Matthias, our layout guy, started a blog on AFS:

https://iimaverick.tumblr.com/


Also: my Saga-mod with Game Of Thrones theme is almost ready, it is currently in the layout phase, when that is done I will make it available :D
Really excited to see peoples reactions... I think the factions and their Battleboards are great, great fun!


Have a good one,
Barb
Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: aircav on April 06, 2017, 06:11:37 PM
Superb project  8)
Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Barbarus on May 23, 2018, 03:02:10 AM

Ahhh! Gotta dust this topic off!

It's been a year. A lot of things have happened, some of them keeping me from writing new stuff for AFS...

But I wanted to let you guys know that the project isn't dead. Not at all.

In fact factions number 11 and 12 are pretty much finished and will be ready within the next three weeks.




Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Nord on May 23, 2018, 07:34:15 AM
Good to hear you have not given up on this project.  :D
Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Barbarus on May 23, 2018, 02:13:02 PM


No, I haven't! :D

But AFS will remain in the 1st edition of Saga.

I don't agree with a lot of the changes in Saga's 2nd edition and it also would be too much work to redo everything we did to match the 2nd edition.

Personally I like the first edition much better and I like the thought that AFS will be unique even when the "official" fantasy supplement for the 2nd Saga edition is released.

That way AFS and that fantasy supplement don't have to compete and all those who prefer the first edition like me can continue playing AFS as it is.

Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Barbarus on October 21, 2018, 04:48:18 PM
Rejoice!
It is time for mischief and wine, a loooot of wine!
The Satyroi have arrived and the children of Dionysos are looking for trouble!



(http://fs1.directupload.net/images/user/181021/bcpe9qlo.jpg)





You can find the two versions (high & low resolution) of the PDF here:

www.a-fantastic-saga.com




Have fun with these "beastly men"! ;)
Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Argonor on October 21, 2018, 05:10:18 PM
Splendid. I already saw this on FB, but nice to get reminded.   ;)
Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Historiker on October 21, 2018, 10:17:28 PM
Great job!

Have been following your project for a while. It really sets a new standard for "unofficial" content! When I first read your PDF I thought to myself "man, you really need to look up your drafts for the game systems you always wanted to build..." :)

While I like the second edition of Saga it is a very sensible idea to keep your system in the first edition. As you said it will enable you to keep all the work put in and  set it apart from the new "Age of Dragons" (read somewhere that they chose that name for the fantasy supplement).

For my part I will happily use both!
Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Bloggard on October 22, 2018, 09:35:33 AM
fantastic work!
Great that you've done this and to such a high standard, and made it so readily available.
Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Knight-Captain Tyr on October 22, 2018, 11:27:44 AM
This is absolutely awesome - looks really professional. As a total newcomer to Saga, having only got into it in 2nd ed, I'm slightly mournful it won't be updated for 2nd ed rules. I understand your reasoning though. Looks awesome nonetheless.
Title: Re: A Fantastic SAGA
Post by: Barbarus on October 23, 2018, 11:58:56 AM

Thanks, guys!



@Bloggard
Yeah, that's the leftist commie in me! :D
People for the people, and all power to the people!

One of my next projects will be to publish my very own game and make that available for free as well!




@Knight-Captain Tyr
Thank youuu!
Don't be mournful, you can get the rules for the 1st edition of Saga very cheap now! That's the best thing about that 2nd edition ;)