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Miniatures Adventure => Medieval Adventures => Topic started by: painterman on November 24, 2015, 08:26:24 PM
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I've been tempted to use Perry figures to add some Italian city state armies and have been have a go with green stuff over last week, with some modest conversions.
This will be a (very) sporadic build, fitted in between other stuff; based on the 1440/50s wars between Milan and a league comprising Florence, Venice and Papacy (so excuse to do all troop types of Italy), based loosely on Battle of Anghiari and using Pete's Flags excellent flagsheets. I'll probably start with Milanese.
First are some conversions, simply adding giornea (tabards) and a hat conversion, to Italianise them more. Fairly simple to do.(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r146/chicks_photos/IMG_1150_zpsaxhefcxi.jpg) (http://s143.photobucket.com/user/chicks_photos/media/IMG_1150_zpsaxhefcxi.jpg.html)
(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r146/chicks_photos/IMG_1151_zps6h3tomw2.jpg) (http://s143.photobucket.com/user/chicks_photos/media/IMG_1151_zps6h3tomw2.jpg.html)
I've also tested adding cloth covering to the barding of the Perry plastic mounted men at arms.
(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r146/chicks_photos/IMG_1152_zps6k3glbpt.jpg) (http://s143.photobucket.com/user/chicks_photos/media/IMG_1152_zps6k3glbpt.jpg.html)
To represent the Milanese 'Radia Magna' company, I've added some Mirliton helmet plumes - rather over elaborate and based on the Battle of San Romano paintings - but they capture the spirit. I now need lots of the Italian armour style bodies from the Perry mounted knights box (if anyone has them going spare?)
(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r146/chicks_photos/IMG_1153_zpskexkh1d6.jpg) (http://s143.photobucket.com/user/chicks_photos/media/IMG_1153_zpskexkh1d6.jpg.html)
If I have any chance of making headway, painting will be as swift as possible, using washes and here are some units of skirmishers, completed a couple of years ago that kicked it off (...which shows how long this idea has been on the backburner!).
(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r146/chicks_photos/IMG_1154_zps5rl3inyz.jpg) (http://s143.photobucket.com/user/chicks_photos/media/IMG_1154_zps5rl3inyz.jpg.html)
(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r146/chicks_photos/IMG_1155_zps9sydp97b.jpg) (http://s143.photobucket.com/user/chicks_photos/media/IMG_1155_zps9sydp97b.jpg.html)
As I say, whatever occasional updates I manage, I'll keep posted here.
Thanks
Simon.
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Hello,
Very nice miniatures !!! :-* ...
I like conversion too (and the bases).
Nikko
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Nice conversions and beautiful painting style
Thanks
Blofeld
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Excellente :-*
All the best projects have a lengthy gestation period ;)
I will be following with much interest. It is a very tempting and colourful setting.
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Oh yes, very nice! More please!
That metal head on one of your unpainted handgunners - is it from the metal Perry pikemen? I was actually just preparing some of them myself when I saw this...
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Good stuff Simon :-*
I'll be watching this thread carefully for every hint of heraldic info I can glean for the Fornovo project! ;) :)
Darrell.
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Thanks for the kind words.
Charlie - the metal head is from the metal Italian Heads code.
Simon.
Darrell - lots of inspiration and info here: some later 15th Century stuff included (re Fornovo etc).
http://stemmieimprese.it/
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Darrell - lots of inspiration and info here: some later 15th Century stuff included (re Fornovo etc).
http://stemmieimprese.it/
Thanks mate, bookmarked! :)
Darrell.
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Lovely looking minis !
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Brief update - unit of Milanese skirmishers, armed with spear and shields.
Perry metals - swordsmen converted to spears, with an arm change, halbard changed & a headswop - I did say this was a quick build army didn't I... ::) lol
Paint jobs are much swifter than usual though (so close inspections are not allowed!) - handpainted shields in the absence of any transfers - using contemporary battle scenes of Aghiari 1440 as references - visual cohesion with variety.
(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r146/chicks_photos/IMG_1158_zpsysycshhz.jpg) (http://s143.photobucket.com/user/chicks_photos/media/IMG_1158_zpsysycshhz.jpg.html)
Will take some much better pics - in natural light - when the basing's all done.
Simon.
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Blimey those are good. :-* :-*
Excellent conversions and the paint job is none too shabby either. They will look even more impressive when fully based.
I love this thread. ;D ;D Can't wait to see more.
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Spectacular.
Your quick paintjob, Simon, is pretty darn good.
Love those.
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Interesting stuff, especially in terms of heraldry!
Have you got some examples of the colour on colour heraldry (usually a massive no-no) Simon?
I expect that it might have been in the link that you posted earlier? I'd love to know if the Italians were doing it as this makes all the difference!
Darrell.
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Very nice project - I shall watch with interest :-*
Mick
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Darrell
Not too sure on your 'colour on colour' question - but the website cited previously is the source for this.
Just need to reboot the Italian into Google translator and look out for the embedded links in the articles on Battle of Anghiari - lots of line drawings re heraldic devices - and assumptions on colours from contemporary illustrations (basically paint that's now showing as black is discolouration of green or blue, upon closer inspection).
Hope thats of some help?
Simon.
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Very cool!
I must confess I don't know much about the wars between the Italian city-states in this period. The spear-and-shield armament is rather unique for the 15th century, when everyone else was toting poleaxes, bills and pikes.... Or have I just overlooked it?
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Darrell
Not too sure on your 'colour on colour' question - but the website cited previously is the source for this.
Just need to reboot the Italian into Google translator and look out for the embedded links in the articles on Battle of Anghiari - lots of line drawings re heraldic devices - and assumptions on colours from contemporary illustrations (basically paint that's now showing as black is discolouration of green or blue, upon closer inspection).
Hope thats of some help?
Simon.
Many thanks... I really need to take a close look at that article! It's finding the time..... :(
With the colour on colour question I was trying to understand whether it was an Italian rule of Heraldry that you could place a colour on a colour (a big no-no in most Western European Heraldry) or if the shields represented a livery of some sort?
Darrell.
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Very nice. Those paint jobs really pop. Great work on the shields.
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Nice! More please! 8)
Christopher
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Milanese light infantry basing is done.
(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r146/chicks_photos/IMG_1165_zpswthvyydc.jpg) (http://s143.photobucket.com/user/chicks_photos/media/IMG_1165_zpswthvyydc.jpg.html)
(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r146/chicks_photos/IMG_1166_zpsf4q0ane9.jpg) (http://s143.photobucket.com/user/chicks_photos/media/IMG_1166_zpsf4q0ane9.jpg.html)
Now working on mix of Perry plastic, metals and some converted Citadel Alcatani Dogs of War, for small pikebloc. Will try and post some progress in next 2 weeks.
Simon.
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Very nice!
Now working on mix of Perry plastic, metals and some converted Citadel Alcatani Dogs of War, for small pikebloc.
I'd be interested in hearing how the Citadel Dogs Of War sculpts look alongside the Perry sculpts, especially in terms of height. There were some VERY nice models in that range, I'm guessing they were all done by the Perrys too.
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They look great. Reminds me indeed of the part of the Battle of San Romano paintings shown in the Louvre.
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Beautiful work with these :-*
What rules system these are for?
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Lovely work Simon :-* :-* :-*
Darrell.
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Milanese 'lancia spezzata' contingent, as work in progress.
(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r146/chicks_photos/IMG_1176_zpsdfib8awq.jpg) (http://s143.photobucket.com/user/chicks_photos/media/IMG_1176_zpsdfib8awq.jpg.html)
So I promised myself this would be rapid army build - but I've spent time on every figure here, either converting with metal add-ons or slapping on the green stuff!! They are based on elite men at arms from Milan ('broken lances'), as shown in the Florentine painted caskets in the Gallery of Ireland (c 1460), so that's my self-justification for spending so much time on them. Other units will need conversions, but working with putty is a gradual process - do a small bit, let it dry and return the next day, etc. The metal helm decors are from Mirliton and are taken from the outrageously large ones shown in Italian paintings of the period.
(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r146/chicks_photos/IMG_1178_zpswnuxn7hi.jpg) (http://s143.photobucket.com/user/chicks_photos/media/IMG_1178_zpswnuxn7hi.jpg.html)
(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r146/chicks_photos/IMG_1179_zpskbyscdm5.jpg) (http://s143.photobucket.com/user/chicks_photos/media/IMG_1179_zpskbyscdm5.jpg.html)
(http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r146/chicks_photos/IMG_1177_zps0emkivcr.jpg) (http://s143.photobucket.com/user/chicks_photos/media/IMG_1177_zps0emkivcr.jpg.html)
All perry plastics (apart from the captain). The standard bearer is a Light Cav conversion, with long riding boots and Italian cloak added. The green stuff added to the bard, are cloth coverings which will bear Milanese coats of arms. Some of the barding needs final attention (ie the joins across the rump of the horses). However, am happy with the Italianate/San Romano paintings look I was after.
Re earlier questions, all basing will be 50mm frontage (these are 75mm depth, as will be pikes) - so should be adaptable for many rulesets (I play rarely...).
Don't know when these will be getting any paints applied- it'll certainly be after the New Year, as spare time is bit thin now to end of year.
Cheers
Simon.
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Those are really special, excellent work. Look forward to seeing them coloured in, in the new year.
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Oh my goodness, some dedicated work there Simon, these are going to look fantastic and very much bursting out of a Renaissance fresco.
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Brilliant Simon. They look menacing already. I'm sure you won't be able to resist lavishing your usual loving attention on these figures, and they'll be another spectacular unit to add to your collection.
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Very talented work so far already. Looking forward to a bit of colour on them in the New Year.
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Goodly work Simon 8) 8) 8)
The metal helm decors are from Mirliton and are taken from the outrageously large ones shown in Italian paintings of the period.
Are the fathered crests available separately or does one have to buy a whole body for instance?
If they are available separately then they are just what I'm looking for re: Ravenna.
Darrell.
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these are really stunning!!!! :-* :-* :-*
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The crests are a bit early for Ravenna Darrell, thus saving you some time on your conversions :D, not that I hold saving time in high regard.
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The crests are a bit early for Ravenna Darrell, thus saving you some time on your conversions :D, not that I hold saving time in high regard.
However, I'll still need to do some converting for the type of crests sported at Ravenna.
Cavalieri pesanti francesi all'epeco delle "Guerre d'Italia" (Da manascritto del 1510.
Cheers,
Darrell.
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Bit of GS should do it added to the existing Foundry figures to make them look a bit different. That whole series of Louis' Genoa campaign has more inspiration.
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Bit of GS should do it added to the existing Foundry figures to make them look a bit different. That whole series of Louis' Genoa campaign has more inspiration.
Yeah, it shouldn't be too difficult (one hopes!) :)
Darrell.
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Very lovely. Top-notch conversions and some very nice free-hand on the shields.
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Wow, that is a stunning rank of cavalry, and that's with nary a lick of paint in sight. Can't wait to see them painted. :-*