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Miniatures Adventure => Fantasy Adventures => Topic started by: King Arthur on March 02, 2016, 01:19:55 PM
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Hello!
I'm going to take the plunge that many others have done before, but with the new season of GoT around the corner and having been inspired by a couple of other members projects I am kicking off my own one!
I wanted to paint a House from 'The North' as I like the background and they also strike me as a tough, no nonsense military outfit :) I didn't want to do the obvious and go for Stark (plus 'Frank' has already produced a beautiful rendition of this House); so I am opting for their closest ally, House Cerwyn.
I will exclusively use Perry Miniatures and look at mixing up box sets to add variety. The ones I will go for to build the army will be:
WR20 Plastic 'Mercenaries', European Infantry 1450-1500
WR1 Plastic Wars of the Roses Infantry
AO 50 Agincourt French Infantry 1415-29
AO 40 English Army 1415-1429
WR 40 Mounted Men at Arms 1450-1500
WR 60 Light Cavalry 1450-1500
WR 50 Foot Knights 1450-1500
I will also need to source some War/Hunting Dogs in either metal or plastic if anyone has tips on a good manufacturer?
Does anyone know if there are references on the military structure? Although it is classified as fantasy, it is heavily influenced by Medieval Europe; so I could follow a Fuedal System of Knights/retainers mixed with levied infantry.
As House Cerwyn is wealthy and powerful I envisage them as having a somewhat professional standing army, so the core will be centered around Lord Medger Cerwyn and his Household Troops (Mounted and Foot Knights and perhaps armoured Bowmen such as the Medieval English fielded), coupled with his 'professional' troops, this is where I'd use the Pikemen, Billmen and unarmoured Bowmen.
Any support literature or imagery would be greatly appreciated!
Thanks in advance and now I need to decide on which troops to begin with...... I have been impressed/inspired by Franks Pikemen for House Startk, so perhaps I'll start with the Pikes of House Cerwyn...?
Cheers
Gary
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Personally I'd not restrict myself simply to a single House. Starks were the Northern overlords, and Cerwyn a subject House under them. You'll need to decide how you want to play your forces in the larger scheme of things. You're looking at approx 150 foot and 24 cavalry based on your stock list.
My Lion Rampant Northern Alliance retinue is composed of 6 Houses, each fielding 4 archers, 2 bill, 2 pike and a Foot captain and standard bearer. As you can see on my thread, the Riverlands retinue fields 5 foot units in total. I plan to supplement this with bidowers and mounted units, both light cavalry and men at arms. LR allows you to tweak the points system to suit different contingencies.
Given how the books and S1 to S3 of the TV series pan out, I'm fielding Bolton, Karstark and Frey as 'Northern separatists'. My Northern Alliance is composed of House Stark, Umber, Hornwood, Glover, Tallhart, and Ryswell. That way I can game several encounters including repelling Ironborn incursions. Cerwyn and Cassel while part of this alongside several other lesser houses, don't really get a mention in the action, so I've decided to leave them out for now. But as you can see my roster is shy the equivalent of 3 Houses.
Or you could go how others have opted with various more generic looking units with varied commands to suit different scenarios.
Dilettante Gamer and I are both of the opinion that for Lion Rampant, Northern levy would probably field more pike but in the less well trained and armoured 'foot yeoman' category. The North being poorer and less populated would not have the same armour tech as the South. Ther'd be a small core of household troops stiffening a larger proportion of well meaning but green levies and probably a good proportion of hunters/archers. DG has some interesting thoughts on tailoring 24pt retinue composition to represent the various Westerosi forces...
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Personally I'd not restrict myself simply to a single House. Starks were the Northern overlords, and Cerwyn a subject House under them. You'll need to decide how you want to play your forces in the larger scheme of things. You're looking at approx 150 foot and 24 cavalry based on your stock list.
Thank you for the detailed and informative reply :)
I'm not intending to use all the models from all the boxes, more cherry pick heads, torso, weapon combos etc to get a unique and varied force. I do like the idea of small core armoured centre, which will represent Lord Medeger's Household and then fill the ranks out with Pike and Bill and I'll have quite a few Archer models from the sets, so fielding the skirmishers will not be an issue.
At this point in time I had not thought about a Gaming System, just wanted to paint and model a small force for the sheer joy of the project ;)
Cheers
Gary
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I can guarantee that having cherry-picked all the components for your ideal retinue, the piles of plastic will sing you a lullaby 'build me...build me...build me'. Before you know it you'll end up like Captain Blood with a horde of figures in a mad frenzy of scalpel shavings, glue and green stuff!
I look forward with keen interest to see your progress. Welcome to Westeros!
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If you are going for Cerwyn then I would suggest that you have two Sers in Cerwyn colours (mounted and foot versions) as Medger and Cley. You can then have sub houses to round out a unit of men-at-arms (House Condon and some you have made up - unidentified cousins, etc). You can then sprinkle these other houses into your Cerwyn banner men. That way you have flexibility in building up your force. If they are just the local men, have called their banners or fight as part of something greater. Medger and/or Cley may ride as part of a unit of men-at-arms or lead a smaller force with just pike and archers.
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Sounds like a great project, good luck!
Or you could go how others have opted with various more generic looking units with varied commands
to suit different scenarios.
I'd recommend this. Say you have 20 infantry in 'neutral' colours, greys and browns with the odd spots of red, green, blue etc.... You can make them a command group featuring banners and livery jackets of your preferred house. If you ever get bored of that house later, just paint up a new command group and swap them out! Not every model in the unit has to be in the livery colours, and I'd argue they look much better in more neutral colours, but that's just my taste.
Anyway, that's what I'm doing with my Riverlands project.
You say you don't know what gaming system you'll use yet, but do you know how you're going to base them? Singly or in groups? That will obviously greatly effect which system you choose.
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Also something worth noting is that like most other Northern houses, the Cerwyns don't actually have knights, as far as I know. As in they follow the old gods, whilst knighthood is associated with the Faith of the Seven.
There are a few knights in the north, Ser Helman Tallhart comes to mind, and now that I think of it Ser Rodrik Cassel as well, which is interesting - I always assumed he was a 'true northerner'.
I could be wrong though, but I don't think Cley Cerwyn was ever refferd to as a Ser in the books.
Doesn't really have much effect on your project though! :)
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The Cerwyns do have at least one (hedge)knight. Roose Bolton commands ser Kyle Condon, a close friend of Lord Cerwyn to take command over the Cerwyn troops after Medger died.
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Welcome to the GoT craze that all the cool kids are doing nowadays!
I will add this thread to our illustrious roll call of fellow travellers and kindred spirits in the stickied thread at the top of this forum.
I would encourage you to have a peek at Sukhe's thread. Creating several households from the North might give you more room to flex your creativity.
He's not kidding when he says kitbashing begets more kitbashing. I started aiming to create only Stark and Lannister (inspired by Frank) and now I've built out FOUR retinues with a fifth in queue.
Looking forward to see where you take your vision!!
Cheers!
Wade
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I believe warlord games produced some wolf hounds and kennel master in their Celtic Ancients range.
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Painterman had some medieval hunting dogs sculpted but they may all be gone now. And may be too sleek for what you're envisioning.
http://je-lay-emprins.blogspot.co.uk/2014/06/release-hounds.html#comment-form (http://je-lay-emprins.blogspot.co.uk/2014/06/release-hounds.html#comment-form)
But they are awesome sculpts, though! Right out of Gaston Phoebus illuminations.
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Thank you to everyone whom has replied and given advice and pointers, it's truly appreciated :)
On the Warhounds/Hunting dogs, the Warlord ones don't quite fit the bill and the alaunt hounds as you say are a bit sleek, I'm looking for something a bit 'meaner' mastiff type dogs....
Regarding the subject of Rules and Basing, as said I'm not at this moment restricting myself to basing for a system, however if there is a rule set out there that allows for creative use of ranking up then that's the one, I'm not looking at the troops marching in highly disciplined ranks, all neatly arranged in line! Also regiment size, for example the Mercenaries boxed set offers 18 Pikes and 4 'command' models, so you could field a 20/22 man unit?
I'm a complete novice when it comes to the Houses/Families etc which is why to start out with I'll stick to one House and expand later, I want to keep the scope small and the momentum high!!
For the colour palette I will use muted, natural tones as I have a large array of Vallejo, so plenty of Greys, Browns, Greens and Olive shades :)
I'll mix in some whitish livery for the Nobles but certainly aim to avoid over using this colour.
Still weighing up the starting unit, as the Light Cavalry box is great...... Cavalry or Pikes.....
Thanks again chaps!
Gary
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Pikes are easier to paint than cavalry ! ;) :D
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Pikes are easier to paint than cavalry ! ;) :D
Quoted for truth
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For the colour palette I will use muted, natural tones as I have a large array of Vallejo, so plenty of Greys, Browns, Greens and Olive shades :)
Good choice. Here's a unit I painted in 'neutral' colours, they are currently aligned to House Bracken. However just by switching out the standard bearer model, they can be re-aligned to any other house I have made flags for! I'm aiming towards a large army, and am really looking forward to seeing hundreds of troops in these colours. Bright colours are overrated!
(http://i.imgur.com/fFGr2a2.jpg)
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Looking forward to seeing what you come up with. Welcome to the club ;)
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yes as the captain said welcome to the club !!! I think the project you are starting is very good. There are enough people doing the big houses. So to see a smaller house would be grand.
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If you are opting for the route Charlie is taking and having generic multi-purpose units whose affiliation is determined by characters and banners alone, the less well known houses can be great fun to do. These are the refs to House Cerwyn I've so far culled from the books
‘a battle axe for the Cerwyns’ (Game Of Thrones, p.550)
[At the Battle of the Green Fork] ‘Their captains led them on armoured warhorses, standard bearers riding alongside with their banners’; ‘Lord Cerwyn’s battle axe’ (Game Of Thrones, p.662)
Cley Cerwyn bore ‘the direwolf of Stark’ (Clash Of Kings, p.831)
They really leave you a lot of creative freedom both in style and content. Like a lot of other families, the symbols 'sigils' of the Houses are mentioned in GRRM's books, but not necessarily the colours of their heraldry. Depending on whether you want to be a purist or not you have a number of options...
1. Use only those houses whose heraldry is well quoted in ASOIAF colours and all
2. Use the associated refs like ASOIAF Wiki etc. where some imagination/guesswork is used
3. Use your own imagination on the limited info and your own take on the heraldry...
If you go for 3 then you could use 'historical' precedent to determine the colours used. In the origins of Medieval heraldry, colour was often used to show affiliation with a particular family or faction, before individual heraldry became the norm to distinguish the identity of armoured men in the field.
In my own Anglo-Norman army depicting Geoffrey de Mandeville's fenland rebellion (1140s) yellow and red predominate...
Geof. de Mandeville, E of Essex = Quarterly Or and gules, Or in the first quarter
His Bro in Law Will. de Say = [the same arms]
His Bro in Law, Aubrey de Vere, E of Oxford = Quarterly Or and gules [but the colours reversed]
His father in Law, Hugh Bigod, E of Suffolk = Or a cross gules
This practice persisted later in parts of Eastern Europe making it quite difficult to tell sires and sons apart.
Thus Cerwyn and Cassel are usually depicted with white [the house colour of their overlord] in many of the non canon sources.
It became the practice historically to differentiate sons using 'labels' and differencing, slight amendments and additions to the colour scheme using add-ons, like the label azure of Geoff Plantagenet, E of Anjou and Edward I and Edmund Crouchback on crusade.
OR you could adopt a colour system like certain Japanese clans in the C16 a la Kurasawa in 'Ran' where simple clan symbols are used but units have different coloured backgrounds, but was by no means universally applied.
Either way let the creative juices flow and we all look forward to seeing what rolls off the production line!
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Looking forward to seeing what you come up with. Welcome to the club ;)
Thanks Richard!
Well you're partially to blame anyway hahahahahaaaa after reading through your Perry WotR thread I navigated to their website to research further, thought a bit about doing a Medieval setting, then I read Frank's SAGA Westeros thread and me being a huge collector of Vintage Citadel Miniatures (Fantasy 3rd Edition) and possessing a love of history I thought that the Westeros using historical wargames models is just damn perfect :D
Cheers
Gary
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Sukhe_Bator
Thank you for the references on the Cerwyn clan!
Were Cley and Medger both present in a Clash of Kings? It could be a nice addition to depict both the Dire Wolf and Axe on the Banner Bearers?
Cheers
Gary
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Cley was at home I believe. He marched up against Winterfell when Ramsey took it.
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There is evidence to suggest that GRRM has in mind a hierarchy of banners denoting rank and status with the Main/chief banners being on taller staffs and also multi-storey flags in use [presumably of the longer and narrower pennon/pennant/standard variety]
‘Hallis Mollen went before him [Robb Stark aka acting head of House Stark]… carrying the rippling white banner of House Stark atop a high standard of grey ash’ (GOT, p.562)
[At the Green Fork] ‘The white of House Stark was seen everywhere, the grey direwolves seeming to run and leap as the banners swirled and streamed from the high staffs’ (GOT, p.663)
'with 3 banners going before them, the crowned stag from the high staff, the direwolf of Stark and Lord Beric's own forked lightning standard from shorter poles' (GOT, p.453)
'A column of armoured men... They are flying a purple unicorn below the lion of Lannister... a son of Brax' (COK, p.592)
Should make some interesting figures...
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sukhe_bator thanks for reading the books again for us . Are you going to post the quotes on the stacked thread for further reference?
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Are you going to post the quotes on the stacked thread for further reference?
With appropriate guidance/help for this ageing Luddite I'll be be more than happy to... ;)
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I think Dilettante Gamer is running the stacked threat on GoT I think if you contact him he might put them up there!
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I hope he's watching... o_o
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I hope he's watching... o_o
Indeed he is... ;)
I'll copy paste into the heraldry post within the stickied thread above. :)
This is how it's supposed to work! Find written or visual references, let me know, and I'll add them as we go!
Cheers, all!
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Told you!
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So, I'm taking the plunge and make my first purchase the European Mercenaries and Light Cavalry boxes, plus the WotR Command Sprue so I have some options to mix and match the first units :)
P&P from Perry to Germany is actually very reasonable, for the above it will be GBP7.48 which is cool ;)
I will also be investing in some Snow, Leaves and other bits for the basing from these chaps:
http://www.sceneryworkshop.nl/scenery/sneeuw/
Will also be buying some Green Stuff and Clay Shapers to add the Fur Cloaks etc. I also read that if you mix a 1:4 Ratio of FIMO with Green Stuff, it makes the GS smoother and easier to work with?? So, perhaps I'll buy a packet of FIMO too :D
So, whilst I'm waiting for the models to arrive I'll do more research!
Cheers
Gary
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Whilst digging around I have seen a few renditions of the Sigil, but the most popular and correct (?) would be the black twin headed battle axe:
(http://i.imgur.com/C2fIn1E.png)
Don't recall the episode this was from, but the Cerwyn banner can be seen:
(http://i.imgur.com/oLwvY5e.png)
Although the imagery shows Stark troops, I just love it, very inspiring for poses and weapons....
(http://i.imgur.com/HKLDYxg.png)
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Martin only cites a 'battle axe' in the books. Black on white would seem the most appropriate if you want to keep the heraldry simple and in keeping with a Stark affiliation, but the silver axe head on a black staff on grey as depicted in the series looks equally good and technically grey is a field colour for Starks as well.
The axe doesn't have to be double headed though.... you could quite legitimately make the axe on the banner the same as one carried by your Cerwyn leader, though I admit a double header seems more ferocious and heroic. There's no 'back story' I can see in the books of a treasured Valyrian heirloom being employed which might advocate the use of a more archaic looking axe type...
You could invent your own heraldic background and make the most senior member of the household have a double headed axe emblem, while everyone else, sons and household troops have a single headed axe...?
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I'm looking for something a bit 'meaner' mastiff type dogs....
Have you looked at these, former Vendel mastiffs from Sgt. Major? http://www.sgmm.biz/Animals_c_83.html
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Have you looked at these, former Vendel mastiffs from Sgt. Major? http://www.sgmm.biz/Animals_c_83.html
Oh yeah!!! Great find, thank you so much ;)
Cheers
Gary
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Have you looked at these, former Vendel mastiffs from Sgt. Major? http://www.sgmm.biz/Animals_c_83.html
Damn it!
$34 to ship 12 miniatures to Europe!!!!!! Looks like I'll need an EU source on these then, but thanks again for highlighting the models, great sculpts by the look of them!
Cheers
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I share your pain K Arthur. I really happen to like Vendel minis but when they went stateside its like they went to the moon... :(
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Hello!
This is not dead! On the contrary, it's about to get interesting :-) The new modeling tools and replenishment of green stuff arrived as did my boxes of European Mercenaries and Light Cavalry :-) So this evening I'll start the most joyous of tasks, unboxing :-)
More to follow!
Cheers
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Servus! Thanks for update. Looking forward to it.
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So, the goodies were unwrapped!
(http://i.imgur.com/QrkLulB.jpg)
I was unashamedly excited to receive the models, I felt like a kid again, it was amazing hahaaaaaa!!!!!
As I am basing the project around House Cerwyn, I will aim for a winterized look, so my first task was to clip and glue together 2 models and begin sculpting fur :D
First up will be a minor Noble, I intend for him to be carrying a banner and he'll most likely be the only fully armoured figure in the unit.....
(http://i.imgur.com/1Hlc11b.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/IHqE3aF.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/pQgrV3y.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/1HefvYt.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/7Sho1gk.jpg)
I wanted a large, perhaps bearskin cloak which he is clutching in his free hand, to be falling down his back to the floor, it gets cold up North!
Second is a rank and file, again, to fit in with the cold theme I have modeled fur trims to his tunic and boots and will add a cloak too. I also sculpted on a beard as the original head looked to 'clean' ;)
(http://i.imgur.com/8wECYIe.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/Gmb4egu.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/kWhy9Jj.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/ldL40ZX.jpg)
So, all in all an eventful and immensely fun evening of this wonderful hobby!
Stay tuned for more :)
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I like the small putty changes :-)
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Great stuff! You are off and running! :)
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Very good start !!! The green stuff work is very nice indeed!! The addition of the fur trim to the legs and arms is a nice idea! Will try that on a figure or two,too .
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Great stuff! You are off and running! :)
Thanks Richard! I had been looking at your old threads for the Perry WotR models and then your own Westeros ones and had been meaning to start up my own Perry force, finally got around to it!!!
How do you remove the mould lines on the models? Filing, or with liquid green or do you brush on plastic glue to smoothen out the lines?
Cheers!
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Very good start !!! The green stuff work is very nice indeed!! The addition of the fur trim to the legs and arms is a nice idea! Will try that on a figure or two,too .
vielen dank :)
It's actually quite straight forward to do, have you ever tried?
Cheers
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Yes I did use GS before but haven't thought about cuffs of fur.
The Captain uses liquid cement to get rid of smaller mould lines When I am informed correctly, alas it is what I do , works a treat!
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Yep. Just brush them away with glue (scraping off any really obvious ones first witlh a craft knife). But any residual lines or mould lines running over delicate areas of moulding, like faces or fingers, are best 'painted away' with liquid polystyrene cement :)
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So, here's the second trooper now complete with his Fur Cloak:
(http://i.imgur.com/93ZQ23z.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/uTGzzWh.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/UFccTZ9.jpg)
and as I mixed up too much green stuff, I built a 3rd model and gave him some outfit updates also :)
(http://i.imgur.com/YGN9KjO.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/aEqAxEj.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/qVWNYSV.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/NCpjYBm.jpg)
As he had an open jacket, I opted to give it a fur lining, I think it turned out quite nice and cozy looking ;)
Since I took the photo, I have adjusted the rope for his cloak clasp, it now sits closer to his body and under his chin.
Hopefully tonight I can begin painting them :)
Cheers
Gary
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Really enjoying this thread, and the winterised infantry look great with the shaggy beards.
Also glad that others out there get a real thrill when models turn up on the doorstep!
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very very nice start indeed like the new models too! Now slab some paint on ;)
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Really enjoying this thread, and the winterised infantry look great with the shaggy beards.
Also glad that others out there get a real thrill when models turn up on the doorstep!
Thanks! I must confess that this is my first attempt with Green Stuff aside from using it to plug gaps! I received a tip to add in a small part of FIMO to the mix, approx. a 1:4 ratio of FIMO to GS; the FIMO gives the GS a softer more pliable consistency to work with. I'm really happy with the Beard in particular but the whole project is so much fun!
I did get a big wave of nostalgia when I opened the cardboard box and saw the goodies inside! One of my first boxed sets was back in 1990, the old Skeleton Army, a gift from my parents, so I suppose my sub conscious kicked in and all of a sudden I was 12 again ;)
very very nice start indeed like the new models too! Now slab some paint on ;)
Oh I will :) Some new colours from Vallejo arrived with the post today, so now I'm ready to roll!
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Now then, I only managed to apply the base coat of Vallejo Model Colour Neutral Grey to the models last night! Perhaps later I can start applying the other colours!
Regarding basing, I think I will use the Impetus rules as a guide, purely because I don't want to base then as single models nor do I want them all nicely ranked up and marching in disciplined order, I want a looser looking 'formation'.
EDIT: Also, shields, when I start the mounted troops and knights should I use Round or Heater Shields? If I use Stark as a reference, I have seen lots of Round shields for both cavalry and infantry, where as House Baratheon seem to favour Heater shields for example. In the interests of perhaps keeping it 'true' I'd like your opinions :)
Cheers
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EDIT: Also, shields, when I start the mounted troops and knights should I use Round or Heater Shields? If I use Stark as a reference, I have seen lots of Round shields for both cavalry and infantry, where as House Baratheon seem to favour Heater shields for example. In the interests of perhaps keeping it 'true' I'd like your opinions :)
True to what? The books or tv show? The historical period the books are maybe based on? The historical period the Perry miniatures range represents?
I think the answer is do what you want! :)
Minor rant warning....
Personally I don't like the idea that the northerners are all clinging onto Dark Age style fashions, with round shields and such, whilst all the southerners have more 'modern' equipment. I also REALLY don't like the idea that every major house has completely different styles of armour, like in the show. Though of course there are arguably good reason a TV show does this. But I just can't imagine Roose Bolton or somebody saying "Right guys, I've had a great new idea for a uniform, it'll really make us stand out! You're all gonna wear this sort of helmet, and have this sort of shield. I don't care if it's out of date or completely impractical, we'll look really EVIL!"
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True to what? The books or tv show? The historical period the books are maybe based on? The historical period the Perry miniatures range represents?
I think the answer is do what you want! :)
Minor rant warning....
Personally I don't like the idea that the northerners are all clinging onto Dark Age style fashions, with round shields and such, whilst all the southerners have more 'modern' equipment. I also REALLY don't like the idea that every major house has completely different styles of armour, like in the show. Though of course there are arguably good reason a TV show does this. But I just can't imagine Roose Bolton or somebody saying "Right guys, I've had a great new idea for a uniform, it'll really make us stand out! You're all gonna wear this sort of helmet, and have this sort of shield. I don't care if it's out of date or completely impractical, we'll look really EVIL!"
Nice answer Charlie ;)
I just put the question out there, as all the imagery I have seen of the Stark Household troops has them carrying round metallic shields, but yes, this is a fantasy project, so I'll whatever shield type I see fit :)
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Here are some very crude WIP's taken with my iphone, I've begun to define the shadows and highlighted areas, now I'll go back in and blend the points where the two meet so it looks a bit smoother. Also the work has begun on the armour, I used a base coat of Vallejo Neutral Grey mixed with Vallejo Model Air Steel to give a nice flat metal look, I have since layered on some GW Nuln Oil wash to define the recesses.
(http://i.imgur.com/TJOGAmh.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/4QWswiN.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/QKPUyy6.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/Ydn3XWq.jpg)
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very nice painting start
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Hello!
The first 3 are ready, sans base! Here's some quick pics of the progress! I'm waiting for my new macro lens to arrive, so apologies for the less than crisp photo's, but I wanted to get something posted so you know the project is alive and kicking!
(http://i.imgur.com/SPR34me.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/ZveeZw8.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/GvgNo5s.jpg)
Cheers
Gary
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Impressive - very nice with paint on them! :-*
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I'm liking those - you have managed to convert them subtly in a way that changes the look nicely, from the original WoTR to Westeros.
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Nice one, all that fur (and face fur) looks the bees' knees now they're painted up! Like the weathering on the pikes where they get handled, nice touch.
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very nice painting style :-*
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Thanks for the comments Chaps!
Next up will be the groups 'leader', I'm planning on converting the model to hold an axe, keeping inline with House Cerwyn's sigil.
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Alright, here's the next model on the painting table, the axe wielding arm was taken from the Light Cavalry boxed set, from an archer model, I clipped off the bow and drilled out the hand. The axe is from Gripping Beasts Russian Weapons pack. It's obviously a double handed weapon, so due to the weight of it, I positioned the arm in a downwards gesture, whilst his left arm is taken from the WotR command sprue and is pointing perhaps at some nasty Lannisters whom will soon be facing that axe......
(http://i.imgur.com/Se5U3sk.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/2ZwoQBy.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/zlaMoTA.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/tDKBbfQ.jpg)
The axe is probably on the large side, scale wise, as Perry Miniatures are so finely crafted!
Later, I'll be sculpting the fur trims and cloak.
Cheers
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That is a brilliant pose. Suitably imposing with the helmet and axe.
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That is a brilliant pose. Suitably imposing with the helmet and axe.
Thanks!
It's my favourite helmet, very menacing! I will scatter axe armed troops across the force as it grows as the weapon is the sigil of House Cerwyn.
Cheers
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Nice!
Has the axe been glued? I cant help thinking it would look more natural if he was holding it closer to the head. Would be the more comfortable way to hold such a big axe with one hand, its clearly gonna be wielded two handed in combat. Just a thought!
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Nice!
Has the axe been glued? I cant help thinking it would look more natural if he was holding it closer to the head. Would be the more comfortable way to hold such a big axe with one hand, its clearly gonna be wielded two handed in combat. Just a thought!
Hi Charlie
No, not glued yet as I too was unsure of how it should be held, could be mid motion as it is, just before it hits the ground as he lowers hi arm or as you suggested if he is marching whilst holding it one handed, then yes, closer to the head would be suitable, I'll try that later and pop another picture up.
Cheers
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It's my favourite helmet, very menacing!
lol lol
We all have favourite Perry helmets... Mine is actually the other barbute from the Mercs command frame - the one with the straight-across-the-eyes opening. But I do like this one too :)
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The next 3 have are now ready for painting! Fur cloaks, fur trims and a beard have been added!
(http://i.imgur.com/YXDRHRG.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/aMxRYrV.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/H593ABx.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/tv7pUDi.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/toR8Eqt.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/5BWJh4P.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/LhWkDVj.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/GODCAb5.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/JQ7YYNO.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/c9BLWPM.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/hO4xmnZ.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/OC9euLw.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/QGBb6Jw.jpg)
Cheers
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They are awesome! Can't wait to see the leader type painted up.
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very nice indeed
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They are awesome! Can't wait to see the leader type painted up.
Here he is.....
Some crude pics via my iPhone just to show you the (slow.....) progression being made lol
6 models have been completed and I'm in the midst of completing the bases, the axe wielder's base is finished, being decorated with modelling snow and leaves.
(http://i.imgur.com/gIiUs6k.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/UeXtpVn.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/LHNn5Bq.jpg)
The pics are very grainy so once all the bases are completed I'll take pics using my 'proper' camera! Anyway, I hope you like the small update!
Cheers
Gary
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very much liking the muted, wintery colours and bases for these... :D :-*
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Excellent work on those bases and great project all round. I love the wood effect on the pike shafts.
Thanks
Blofeld
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They look great, the wintery bases are particularly nice.
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Great colour scheme!
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Looking great 8)
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Thanks for all the comments chaps, much appreciated! Here's some more iPhone pictures of the six models complete with snow covered bases:
(http://i.imgur.com/kMajWgL.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/Q9OR43U.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/sssps9U.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/d02SlPM.jpg)
Annoyingly I had to scrape all the snow off post first attempt....... I used the tried and tested format of applying some thinned PVA glue to the area where I wanted the snow, then went about sprinkling away....... to my horror, after an hour 'drying' time I returned and...... the water had evaporated, along with the snow, leaving a patch of bright green nastiness!!!!! I've never had such an experience before, I can only imagine the snow didn't like the PVA a one little bit lol Anyway, after some research I discovered that hairspray works wonders with powdered snow! So I sprayed the base, sprinkled and hurray no green mess!!
Next on the painting table are these chaps, complete with the Green I don't mind :D
(http://i.imgur.com/UTTUnEP.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/FIBRJPc.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/DNkY05v.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/0Yc79KD.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/T2t671K.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/BuhofaP.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/qpyjknE.jpg)
I hope you like the update and hope to post further pictures soon!
Cheers
Gary
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Nice beard!
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Here's a small update on the progression of the unit with the new recruits:
(http://i.imgur.com/hubsrr6.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/CpY7vHS.jpg)
Cheers
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very nice indeed
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They do indeed look very good.
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Those look great! Really enjoying your conversions, the green stuff work ties the "newer-look" armor like sallet helms back to the more "primitive" Northern look. :)
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Thanks again for the comments Gents!
I'm going to base them and build a force for either Lion Rampant or Dragon Rampant, not sure which version though..... as GoT is a Medieval World in a Fantasy setting it crosses both.... Feudal systems coupled with Dragons, Wights, Zombies and Priestesses.....
I know from a couple of the opening comments that some of you use Lion Rampant? Any thoughts?
I plan to finish the Pike unit with 12 models, then move on to a 6 man unit of Light Cavalry and then start a small 6 man unit of foot to represent House Condon.
Cheers
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Thanks again for the comments Gents!
I'm going to base them and build a force for either Lion Rampant or Dragon Rampant, not sure which version though..... as GoT is a Medieval World in a Fantasy setting it crosses both.... Feudal systems coupled with Dragons, Wights, Zombies and Priestesses.....
I know from a couple of the opening comments that some of you use Lion Rampant? Any thoughts?
I plan to finish the Pike unit with 12 models, then move on to a 6 man unit of Light Cavalry and then start a small 6 man unit of foot to represent House Condon.
Cheers
I will be using Lion Rampant until such time as I utilize the more fantasy elements, when I'll switch over to Dragon Rampant. I will also use To The Strongest! for larger battles, but that will entail getting quite a bit of stuff together first. lol
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OK, having read through a newly purchased copy of Lion Rampant I have outlined the following as my 24pts Retinue:
Mounted Men at Arms (Led by Lord Medger Cerwyn)
Foot Men at Arms (Led by Cley Cerwyn)
Foot Serjeants (Pike armed unit)
Expert Foot Serjeants (Led by Ser Kyle Condon - I will also include 5 models alongside Kyle that represent his bodyguard from House Condon, this is why I opted for Expert)
Bidowers
I am also thinking about making the Pike unit 'Yeomen' and then using the saved points to upgrade the Bidowers to 'Archer' status?
So that's 30 models in total which is a nice amount to paint ;)
Cheers!
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Hot on the heels of the Retinue composition are some further WIP shots for the first unit of 'Foot Serjeants'
(http://i.imgur.com/JeFpYSB.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/4pwFaE2.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/vQWvqSm.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/MW8Ficy.jpg)
I hope you like the latest 2 models, now only 4 more to go until I move onto Lord Medger and his bodyguard!
Cheers
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Missed this earlier but there some great stuff here :)
cheers
James
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These are coming along nicely. I love the muted colours, snowy scenery and the furs. This is very evocative of a Northern house. Winter is most definitely coming when you look at these... :D
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These are coming along nicely. I love the muted colours, snowy scenery and the furs. This is very evocative of a Northern house. Winter is most definitely coming when you look at these... :D
Thank you Sir! Happy that the look and feel has hit the right spot!
I just ordered the following models from Perry which will now enable me to build all the required models as outlined in the above post:
B 41 English Archer sprue
AO 50 Agincourt French Infantry
WR 40 Mounted Men at Arms
The French Infantry will be used to build Cley Cerwyn's unit plus the unit commanded by Ser Kyle Condon and the Mounted Men at Arms box will be mixed with the Light Cavalry box to build Medgers bodyguard.
Can't wait for them to arrive now ;)
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Missed this earlier but there some great stuff here :)
cheers
James
High praise indeed from such an intrepid and inspirational modeler such as you James :)
Cheers!
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When I don't have any more Romans or Celtic javelinmen to finish (hopefully friday) i'll be shamelessly ripping off some of your ideas for Northerners. The only unit i've started so far is of Heavy (Lannister-allied) infantry.
I've seen some amazingly useful threads since I signed up here, this is definitely in the top 3! :)
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i'll be shamelessly ripping off some of your ideas for Northerners.
;)
I look forward to seeing your growing GoT horde!
I've seen some amazingly useful threads since I signed up here, this is definitely in the top 3! :)
Very kind of you to say so, I'm truly flattered, thank you!
Cheers
Gary
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Hello! Here's the next installment! 8 models are now completed and the final 4 of the unit have had their Green Stuff furs addes:
(http://i.imgur.com/MGWdgY4.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/wjLltmD.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/gG3gy34.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/Ck1S0W9.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/lh2Wm4u.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/If0HMXC.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/pt14JJJ.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/BXy5Pbx.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/lwAqSlQ.png)
(http://i.imgur.com/zq6Owh7.png)
Again, the pics were quick snaps using my iPhone. I'm really enjoying this project and am already looking forward to starting the next unit ;)
Cheers
Gary
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Really like your fur sculpting, are there any particular tutorials you followed, or just a homebrew method?
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Really like your fur sculpting, are there any particular tutorials you followed, or just a homebrew method?
Thanks very much!
I watched this several times to get an idea and then began my own:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vVymvJxwjGk
Cheers
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More great Green Stuffing! This is going to be a handsome looking unit 8)
(Don't forget to clean off those mould lines though ;))
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More great Green Stuffing! This is going to be a handsome looking unit 8)
(Don't forget to clean off those mould lines though ;))
Thanks Richard!
I will confess that I may have left some mould lines here and there in my enthusiasm to paint......
And, the reinforcements arrived today ;D
(http://i.imgur.com/gQJ7vBp.jpg)
So nice to open the box :)
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I will confess that I may have left some mould lines here and there in my enthusiasm to paint......
I know that feeling... ; lol :D
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And....... some action :)
The 12 man unit of Yeoman Pike just needs some snow adding to the base:
(http://i.imgur.com/TjtzlcG.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/1PerDEf.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/9QxxPYy.jpg)
Whilst I was waiting for the glue to dry on the bases, I assembled Lord Medgers Bodyguard (Mounted Men-at-Arms):
These are a mixture of the Light Cavalry and the Mounted Men-at-Arms boxed sets, Lord Medger is wielding an Axe, it is his emblem after all:
(http://i.imgur.com/8ps36Nu.jpg)
A reverse shot of 3 of the models with longer hair hanging out of their helms:
(http://i.imgur.com/eniaErW.jpg)
Final shot is of Lord Medgar, along side a banner man:
(http://i.imgur.com/M1fVXIv.jpg)
I chose to not use fully armored horse as the imagery I have seen depicts unarmored, I just chose the armored head variants on 3 models for some variety and as these troops are Household, I would envisage a bit of 'flare' :D
Hope you like the update!
Cheers
Gary
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And....... some action :)
The 12 man unit of Yeoman Pike just needs some snow adding to the base:
(http://i.imgur.com/TjtzlcG.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/1PerDEf.jpg)
(http://i.imgur.com/9QxxPYy.jpg)
Whilst I was waiting for the glue to dry on the bases, I assembled Lord Medgers Bodyguard (Mounted Men-at-Arms):
These are a mixture of the Light Cavalry and the Mounted Men-at-Arms boxed sets, Lord Medger is wielding an Axe, it is his emblem after all:
(http://i.imgur.com/8ps36Nu.jpg)
A reverse shot of 3 of the models with longer hair hanging out of their helms:
(http://i.imgur.com/eniaErW.jpg)
Final shot is of Lord Medgar, along side a banner man:
(http://i.imgur.com/M1fVXIv.jpg)
I chose to not use fully armored horse as the imagery I have seen depicts unarmored, I just chose the armored head variants on 3 models for some variety and as these troops are Household, I would envisage a bit of 'flare' :D
Hope you like the update!
EDIT: Once again, sorry these are snaps taken with the iPhone :)
Cheers
Gary
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Some serious progress there! Looking good.
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Great stuff, the GS work really adds to them 8) 8)
cheers
James
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Great stuff, the GS work really adds to them 8) 8)
cheers
James
Some serious progress there! Looking good.
Thanks chaps!
Just saw that I somehow done a double post by quoting myself instead of modifying :o
I haven't fixed the models to the horse, as I plan to paint them separately. I'll also add one or maybe 2 fur cloaks at the end to tie them back to the 'winterized' theme.
Cheers
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Here's a progress snap shot! All the bases are now completed with scenery and snow and I have added a banner.....
(https://cdn.pbrd.co/images/ziy7lX4T.jpg)
(https://cdn.pbrd.co/images/zk5s9qrQ.jpg)
I drew and painted the banner on Japanese Rice paper, it has great absorbent qualities so will not tear or buckle like paper and the best part is that once you apply the PVA glue you are able to manipulate the banner so that when it dries you can achieve some really nice 'wind' effects.
Now the banner is dry and set, I need to re-glue the edges I missed and add some more colour to the Axe and do some pigment weathering to add a bit more grim and wear & tear ;)
Next update should be soon and will be of the Horses for Lord Medgar's bodyguard.
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They look real great!! One thing i keep wondering every time i see them is if you kept the face of the guy woth the axe black intentionally. .
Once again, they're great nevertheless!! 8)
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They look real great!! One thing i keep wondering every time i see them is if you kept the face of the guy woth the axe black intentionally. .
Once again, they're great nevertheless!! 8)
Thanks!
It's not actually black, it is painted 'skin' colour, it's just the shadow and lighting, as at the moment I'm using my iPhone for quick snaps for updates :)
Cheers
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Those guys are looking so good!
What do you use for snow effect? Looks very good on the bases!
Also how do you do capes/beards? I'm very much liking the fuzzy look of those!
Hope you don't mind me asking, I'm making a Frostgrave warband at the moment and your mminiatures inspire me! Would love to do something half as cool base- and beard-wise :)
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Those guys are looking so good!
What do you use for snow effect? Looks very good on the bases!
Also how do you do capes/beards? I'm very much liking the fuzzy look of those!
Hope you don't mind me asking, I'm making a Frostgrave warband at the moment and your mminiatures inspire me! Would love to do something half as cool base- and beard-wise :)
Hello!
Thank you for your kind words! I'm always happy to inspire others as I too have and continue to be inspired by my fellow hobbyists, it's why I love this community! That after 28 years of collecting and painting there's always something new to try!!
So, for the Snow, I highly recommend PRECISION ICE AND SNOW, I buy mine online from a great store called Scenery Workshop based in Holland:
http://www.sceneryworkshop.nl/scenery/sneeuw/
Here's the link to the Snows manufacturer:
http://www.precisioniceandsnow.com/
For Frostgrave I'd say you'd absolutely love this product too:
http://www.sceneryworkshop.nl/precision-ice-and-snow-krycell-large-ice-and-snow.html
You have to watch all the videos on the Precision website, truly inspirational :D
Please also attach the snow with HAIRSPRAY! Seriously it works wonders, it dries instantly and you can then re spray to add depth and layers. I firstly used PVA and it dissolved the snow and left behind a nasty green puddle of gunge....... >:( :o
For the bases, I first glue (with PVA) fine sand, then I attach some small stones that I find on the streets or at the park. Then coat the sand in a dark brown, then dry brush on a khaki/cream colour and then finally I highlight with a light dry brush of Vallejo Game Colour Grey Blue which gives a nice soft cold look, then I attach with PVA some model leaves (http://www.sceneryworkshop.nl/model-leaves-neutraal-3g-cp-mb-neutral.html) once it's all completely dry, get out your Hairspray and Snow and have some fun ;)
For the Cloaks/Beards I use Green Stuff (GW or Army Painter works fine) and mix it with a small portion of FIMO, about a 1:4 ratio of GS:FIMO. The FIMO gives it more flexibility and its softer in the hand.
For the Cloak mix up an amount the size of large pea, then flatten into a rectangle the desired length, then take a sculpting tool, preferably one with a blunt knifes head and then rapidly poke the green stuff so its full of small dimples, do NOT punch through the mixture. Then drag each dimple up/down/left/Right until you start to form the look of fur and then sculpt/smoothen into the desired finished look, then apply to your model and shape it to fit the contours and pose, leave it to dry for 24 hours. Make sure that the surface you work on is clean and flat and damp, this will ensure the GS doesn't stick to it! Do not overload with water otherwise the GS will slide all over the place and that's no fun for sculpting lol Also, make sure your sculpting tool is wet for the same reason. If you make a mistake use a flat tool and wet it then smooth out the area and start again.
For the Beards, roll out a small sausage the length of your small finger nail then with a damp tool lift it and gently stick it to the models chin. Now use a damp tool that is flat and spread the GS up the cheeks and under the chin, the tricky part is the moustache area, but with the blunt knife edge tool you slowly drag a small piece of GS up and over the mouth from both sides. Once the shape is roughly set, draw small lines in the GS using quick flicking motions with your hand and keep going over the beard until it looks like strands of hair.
Hope that helps?
Cheers
Gary
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Thanks for all the tips! I'll get to sculpting and basing soon :)
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For cloaks you might want Tor take a look at this:
http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=74283.0
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As promised, here's the first WIP of a Horse from Lord Medgars Bodyguard:
(https://cdn.pbrd.co/images/1lQlG9ZTN.jpg)
(https://cdn.pbrd.co/images/1lRKTSkOH.jpg)
(https://cdn.pbrd.co/images/8o2rhkgr.jpg)
(https://cdn.pbrd.co/images/8o6Qg9xn.jpg)
I have begun glazing with Vallejo Game Colour Smoke over the legs, eyes and muzzle to build up layers of translucent paint to achieve the coloured leg markings, I'll gradually add black ink to the glaze to fill in the lower part of the leg and the recessed areas around the eyes and on the muzzle. After that I'll look at deepening some shadows and then use a yellow glaze to lift the highest parts of the brown tones of the skin.
More to come soon :)
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very nice horse indeed
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Can't believe I haven't commented yet. These look fantastic. I like the individual infantry figures, but I think they look even better as a unit: grim and dour and tough and determined, just the way one imagines the northerners in ASoIaF.
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Another nice model 8)
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Hello!
Some (I hope!!!) better quality images of the Pikeman unit:
(https://cdn.pbrd.co/images/3whUkVshf.png)
(https://cdn.pbrd.co/images/lPI1JdF1.png)
(https://cdn.pbrd.co/images/3wmcdb4ie.png)
(https://cdn.pbrd.co/images/3wnyPUWtd.png)
(https://cdn.pbrd.co/images/3woFgK0bA.png)
(https://cdn.pbrd.co/images/3wpFYuhpw.png)
Yes, the guy in the back row has a green beard ::) I noticed an error with the original sculpt, so done a small rework which will need painting ;)
(https://cdn.pbrd.co/images/lQlxfqUV.png)
I hope you like the update :)
Cheers
Gary
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Hello!
I bet you thought this had died away........ well after a long summer holiday and a packed September work schedule, it's back!
Here's the first of Lord Medgars bodyguard:
(https://cdn.pbrd.co/images/9KKCSxqGQ.png)
(https://cdn.pbrd.co/images/9KUe20k2J.png)
(https://cdn.pbrd.co/images/9KVN26Z23.png)
(https://cdn.pbrd.co/images/9KWYinLYS.png)
Again, a quick snap taken with my iphone.
More to follow soon :)
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Impressive unit! I'd love to have them facing my Mormonts! *_*
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Nice horseman! Good combination of parts, and I really like the choice of colours.
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:-* :-*nice
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Thanks for the comments chaps :)
@Sangennaru - I have seen those Mormonts of yours and those lances and bear traps look like they would do some serious damage ;)
Some small Green Stuff(ing) updates next:
(https://cdn.pbrd.co/images/aUCackjmi.jpg)
These 2 have wrapped up their fur cloaks and taken spare swords (for the purpose of combating Sangennaru's Mormonts :D) along for the ride.
Cheers
Gary
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So, here's a small update for you, the second horse for Lord Medgars Bodyguard:
(https://cdn.pbrd.co/images/doIYrrHaM.jpg)
(https://cdn.pbrd.co/images/doMwohzpV.jpg)
Need to add another glaze of the Grey-Silver base coat to smooth out the White Ink highlights and once the final Matt varnish has been applied it should lessen the shine on the Black Ink I've used for the leg markings, but most of that sheen is down to the lamp, as it's dark outside!
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Nice PJ and model. What's its make?
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Nice PJ and model. What's its make?
Hello, the entire project is made from Perry Miniatures plastics.
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Ah.
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Alright, finally some action!!!
Here's the mounted Bannerman:
(https://cdn.pbrd.co/images/pYxauXNcO.jpg)
(https://cdn.pbrd.co/images/pYxLvfs6k.jpg)
and 2 of the bodyguards for Lord Medgar:
(https://cdn.pbrd.co/images/pYzeuKvpP.jpg)
(https://cdn.pbrd.co/images/pYzHglSZW.jpg)
(https://cdn.pbrd.co/images/pYAlcT2Cm.jpg)
(https://cdn.pbrd.co/images/pYAMhobol.jpg)
The Bannerman is finished in terms of the models paint job, he'll need the actual banner though and of course I'll base them all together once completed. The 2 Bodyguards horses are finished and just some highlighting on the riders armour and a few small bits to clean up before they too are ready. After that its the last of the Bodyguard and the man himself, Lord Medgar!
Cheers
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Yes!
They look great. The colours work really well, very effective overall look.
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Very nice. Especially like the third one. Great figure 8)
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very nice figures!
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Thanks for the comments chaps! Happy to finally be able to spend dedicated time on this again!
Last night I finished off the 2 bodyguard models:
(https://cdn.pbrd.co/images/qhhq5dAa4.jpg)
(https://cdn.pbrd.co/images/2CWpghKKJ.jpg)
(https://cdn.pbrd.co/images/qhqUZN4K9.jpg)
(https://cdn.pbrd.co/images/gigWFQ18.jpg)
(https://cdn.pbrd.co/images/qhrR3diej.jpg)
(https://cdn.pbrd.co/images/qhsiSNC7j.jpg)
The remaining 2 are already undercoated and I'll start applying the base coats tonight!
Stay tuned for more!
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Great stuff! Really nice job on the mounted figures! :-*
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Great stuff! :-*
I love the WIP photos/posts - gives such a nice insight in the work process.
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:-* :-* :-*
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Love the sorrel coat of that nag.
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Love the sorrel coat of that nag.
Thank you!
Quite an easy, but effective colour palette, Vallejo Neutral Grey prime, Vallejo Cavalry Brown base coat, first wash with a mix of Vallejo Black Red, water and glaze medium, then add successive layers of wash into the folds etc. Re apply the Cavalry Brown to the raised areas and then highlight by mixing Vallejo Medium Sea Grey with Cavalry Brown, building in more Grey where you need more highlights and to finish off I applied a glaze of the Cavalry Brown base coat to smoothen out all the layers and tie it together.
For the last two horses I'm going for a Dappled Grey and a mixed colour Roan, references are:
(https://cdn.pbrd.co/images/sEIhAoOMS.jpg)
(https://cdn.pbrd.co/images/sEO7jH1f7.jpg)
The base coats have been applied, next I'll start filling in the secondary colours, such as the brown on the Roan and the dapples.
Cheers
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Despite a propensity for liking cavalry-based armies, I have a bit of a thing about painting up cavalry. With my GOT forces, opting to field multiple houses makes my choice of cavalry painting schemes somewhat difficult since just a 6 house force would seem to require a minimum of 18 cavalry to field just a mounted captain, standard bearer and MAA. Otherwise a 6 horse unit seems a little odd with 6 different liveries and sigils. Your approach is very refreshing and makes me want to tackle my cavalry backlog. Well done and some lovely horse coat choices.
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Despite a propensity for liking cavalry-based armies, I have a bit of a thing about painting up cavalry. With my GOT forces, opting to field multiple houses makes my choice of cavalry painting schemes somewhat difficult since just a 6 house force would seem to require a minimum of 18 cavalry to field just a mounted captain, standard bearer and MAA. Otherwise a 6 horse unit seems a little odd with 6 different liveries and sigils. Your approach is very refreshing and makes me want to tackle my cavalry backlog. Well done and some lovely horse coat choices.
You are not alone with the daunting prospect of painting Cavalry, the first one took far too long so I switched to a more logical approach of blocking, shading, reblocking, highlights and glaze, it sped up the process without me having the feeling that I'd compensated in quality in any way. Pictures are a MUST for references! Horses are tough to paint as theyx have large flat areas that if over highlighted can look akward, as we are used to painting humans/humanoids with all their lovely folds and shadows we can become somewhat afraid of flat areas, but just paint it as per the picture, some areas need no shading or highlights and this will balance off nicely against the areas that do require these, but a real reference picture is your best friend here :-)
I still wouldn't paint a full Mongol Horde though......... :o o_o lol
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Here's a WIP of the Roan with some basic colour blocking and shading applied:
(https://cdn.pbrd.co/images/t1BJYIM8Y.jpg)
(https://cdn.pbrd.co/images/t1EuagQdL.jpg)
The brown is a bit too redish in parts, so I will tone it down with some glazes and then go back in and tidy up the white areas.
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Next update,
As I wanted some smooth colour transitions on the horses, I opted to 'paint' on some pastels:
(https://cdn.pbrd.co/images/tuJo8FCmy.jpg)
(https://cdn.pbrd.co/images/tuMl7nd66.jpg)
These Pan Pastels give a very nice flat coverage once the excess has been gentle blown away and the best part is that you can blend directly onto the model, for the Roan I smoothed out the hind legs with the White and also smoothed/flattened out the redish patches on the neck:
(https://cdn.pbrd.co/images/tuP7ilN5r.jpg)
(https://cdn.pbrd.co/images/tuPNwaDwH.jpg)
(https://cdn.pbrd.co/images/tuRacsEfh.jpg)
Here's how the Dapple looked prior to the pastel application:
(https://cdn.pbrd.co/images/tuS6D4Fgh.jpg)
and after:
(https://cdn.pbrd.co/images/tuSDPSKo2.jpg)
(https://cdn.pbrd.co/images/tuTjnkg14.jpg)
(https://cdn.pbrd.co/images/2WTb6caJ5.jpg)
Once the excess pastel has been removed, I need to fix the pastels with some Dullcote and then I can re apply another layer to increase the White coverage.
Cheers
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Wow! Those pastels really make a great dapple possible. (My last attempt was unkindly referred to a "The 102nd Dalmatian" by my ex-wife...)
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Alright, next update! The horses are pretty much finished:
(https://cdn.pbrd.co/images/IU2tpUYgo.jpg)
(https://cdn.pbrd.co/images/IU361UW24.jpg)
Lord Medgars Dapple Grey charger!
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I'm very pleased with how well the pastels turned out and how easy to use they were.
Now to finish the riders!
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great use of pastels indeed
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OK, here's the final mounted Man at Arms for Lord Medgars bodyguard:
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Cheers
Gary
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Lovely.
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Great work with the GS and brush on your army! :-*
Gotta nitpick a bit and this applies to many, not only you. But maybe you could paint or make from GS wool/leather/fur gloves for the soldiers, I think no sane man would go fighting in winter condition with bare hands :) No matter how cold blooded or hot tempered they are :D
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Great work with the GS and brush on your army! :-*
Gotta nitpick a bit and this applies to many, not only you. But maybe you could paint or make from GS wool/leather/fur gloves for the soldiers, I think no sane man would go fighting in winter condition with bare hands :) No matter how cold blooded or hot tempered they are :D
Hahahaaa, that's a very fair point and observation! Winter is Coming afterall! Put it down to oversights/laziness/unwillingness to sculpt green stuff gloves ;)
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Lord Medgar is finished! Here's some crude iphone shots:
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I opted for a blackened steel on the armour, which contrasts with the blue steel on the horse and sets him apart from his bodyguard.
Also, the next unit is ready for the paint brush, 6 Bowmen join the fray!
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A few bits need cleaning up though ;)
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very nice bowmen. One point though you have two bowmen in there with pulled down Hose. You would normally pull the Hose down in a warm climate ( summer) . That contrasts with your nice fur green stuff work wich I suppose you added because Winter is coming ?
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very nice bowmen. One point though you have two bowmen in there with pulled down Hose. You would normally pull the Hose down in a warm climate ( summer) . That contrasts with your nice fur green stuff work wich I suppose you added because Winter is coming ?
Hi Tom
Good observation :)
I only ordered a single sprue of the English Longbows as 6 was all I needed, so no choice but to use the pose with rolled trousers! I intend to paint the roll up as a boot top and then painted the leg and the normal shoe as one boot.
Cheers
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Hi Tom
Good observation :)
I only ordered a single sprue of the English Longbows as 6 was all I needed, so no choice but to use the pose with rolled trousers! I intend to paint the roll up as a boot top and then painted the leg and the normal shoe as one boot.
Cheers
Great work so far. I was going to suggest painting the trews as rolled down boot tops - you beat me to it. :)
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good solution !!
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The Perrys suggest painting it as double hose in their box. That's what I did with all of mine.
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It's with regret that I have to cancel this project :'(
My gaming location is closing as the owner is selling the property and my regular Lion Rampant gaming buddy has got a new job and is moving soon so sadly I have no use for this army in progress.....
My son is only interested in modern skirmish (that's now the new project which will begin in the Post Apocalyptic forum), so I really have no space for this project now and do not want the models sitting around collecting dust.
Therefore, if anyone is interested I would be willing to sell/trade the models plus the unmade Perry Miniatures that I have? PM to discuss.
Cheers
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That's a shame mate, this project was part of my own inspiration for starting a GoT force. Great looking minis. I'd be interested in the leftovers, except you're on the other side of the world haha. But good luck moving it on mate.