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Miniatures Adventure => Future Wars => Topic started by: Jagannath on December 15, 2016, 08:28:16 PM
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Hi all,
Suspect a few of us are seeing this tonight and over the next couple of days - I'm sat in my 20:40 showing as we speak- so I thought I'd start a spoiler friendly thread so that those who haven't seen can avoid.... maybe we should all use this instead of the the ongoing 'trailer' thread?
Anyway, see you in a couple of hours :)
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Hi all,
Suspect a few of us are seeing this tonight and over the next couple of days - I'm sat in my 20:40 showing as we speak- so I thought I'd start a spoiler friendly thread so that those who haven't seen can avoid.... maybe we should all use this instead of the the ongoing 'trailer' thread?
Anyway, see you in a couple of hours :)
Have fun watching it :)
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I know I intend to, but won't be back here for at least six hours from now.
Hope to see you with glowing reports, then!
Doug
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Armada players beware!! Lots of potential new ships on the rebel side!!!
:p
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Armada players beware!! Lots of potential new ships on the rebel side!!!
:p
The Armada players will be happy.
Their wallets on the other hand... ;)
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Well that's a bit excellent.
So much stuff that I loved - love seeing more civilians, loved seeing imperial 'tech' (the train/monorail/cable car on a track thing was cool). Really dig the idea of revel extremists. It's was slightly grim-dark, or at least gribbly, which I loved - Jedha really captured that vibe that I think of as being very Star Wars where the general populace seem to live an almost medieval life.
Whilst I understand that it can't be the 'best' Star Wars film - it's too reliant on the others to help you understand the plot - I honestly think it might be my favourite. I'll now be spending my free modelling time trying to convert a Baze Malbus! Even the Peter Cushing CGI ain't bad.
Too much to digest!
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Well that's a bit excellent.
So much stuff that I loved - love seeing more civilians, loved seeing imperial 'tech' (the train/monorail/cable car on a track thing was cool). Really dig the idea of revel extremists. It's was slightly grim-dark, or at least gribbly, which I loved - Jedha really captured that vibe that I think of as being very Star Wars where the general populace seem to live an almost medieval life.
Whilst I understand that it can't be the 'best' Star Wars film - it's too reliant on the others to help you understand the plot - I honestly think it might be my favourite. I'll now be spending my free modelling time trying to convert a Baze Malbus! Even the Peter Cushing CGI ain't bad.
Too much to digest!
Have to disagree with you on a small detail - Peter Cushing CGI isn't band except for its first appearance. The first time he really looks like something out of Star Wars Rebels, there's some kind of problem with the texture of its skin. But the other appearances - far shorter ones - are way better.
As for the grim-dark, I loved the small details like the stormtrooper that's riding in the prison transport with Jyn Erso, with its armor all dirty and banged-up.
And the scene with Darth Vader in the rebel ship...damn. That gave me goosebumps.
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The labour camp transport! Really got the 'garrison' feel of Storm Troopers in this film.
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Just got back from seeing it. I'm more excited by Rogue One than I was by The Force Awakens. Be interesting to watch this back to back with A New Hope.
That Vader scene was superb. I didn't mind the Tarkin CGI, but I felt the voice wasn't quite right. Also, there was something about the Leia CGI that didn't look right - can't put my finger on it though.
Lastly, I think I spotted The Ghost twice and General Syndulla was mentioned - either Hera or her dad I guess.
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Just got back from seeing it. I'm more excited by Rogue One than I was by The Force Awakens. Be interesting to watch this back to back with A New Hope.
That Vader scene was superb. I didn't mind the Tarkin CGI, but I felt the voice wasn't quite right. Also, there was something about the Leia CGI that didn't look right - can't put my finger on it though.
Lastly, I think I spotted The Ghost twice and General Syndulla was mentioned - either Hera or her dad I guess.
Yeah, there's at least 2 shots of The Ghost - one in Yavin and during the final space battle. The problem with Leia is the voice/mouth coordination. But that final scene was a pleasant surprise and a very nice way to tie it with the "A New Hope".
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I didn't mind the Tarkin CGI, but I felt the voice wasn't quite right.
For me, the character CGI never stopped being CGI, but in the case of Tarkin, I did accept it and it didn't distract. The tech is not quite there yet, but my enjoying it that much was a revelation. To tell the truth, I had more issue with the voice, and I don't mean coordination. The voice actor totally lacked Cushing's presence and crisp quality.
The movie as a whole: I'm not a young man in his twenties, as I had to remind myself as I waited for the same Star Wars magic to occur. So I stopped waiting for it.
And then it snuck back in. And for a few moments here and there, I was that young man again.
Doug
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I mostly agree with you all, the dark and dirty of war actions, whichever the side, the sw rithm in the battles, jeddha and its folks....but i missed lots of scenes that appears in the ads.many of them dissapeared of the final cut??!
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So much inspiration here, weird but this was first and foremost a war movie - probably more so than the others. the security complex scenes with the space battle reminded me pacific war movies - Iwo Jima, Beach Red etc but with blasters was stormtroopers, great stuff
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I havent seen it and i wont in 3D.
I cant stand watching a full film with those stupid glasses that gives me headdaches and my eyes get pretty tired after 10 or 15 minutes.
For the look of things (comments) its probably the best (in action) film from all.
Anctious that these bastards passed it in normal format.
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I havent seen it and i wont in 3D.
I cant stand watching a full film with those stupid glasses that gives me headdaches and my eyes get pretty tired after 10 or 15 minutes.
For the look of things (comments) its probably the best (in action) film from all.
Anctious that these bastards passed it in normal format.
Certainly here (Manchester) it was showing in 2D at the AMC, I don't like 3D either - doesn't work with my lazy eye! Don't think IMAX always means 3D.
Really agree with Psullie - seemed to be the most 'war' film of the lot. Off again on Saturday - can't wait!
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I mostly agree with you all, the dark and dirty of war actions, whichever the side, the sw rithm in the battles, jeddha and its folks....but i missed lots of scenes that appears in the ads.many of them dissapeared of the final cut??!
Yeah, the executives at Disney didn't like the first cut of the movie and they had to re-shoot most of it. That's why the first teaser is full of scenes that don't appear on the final cut:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wji-BZ0oCwg
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I love that movie
the end !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!never gused that end
my boy and myself wher blasted!
reight after the film we wanted to look episod 4
all in all it was a more gownup starwars,all dirty and bad weather
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I loved it, my wife loved it too!
Happy! :)
What a great movie, OK without the other movies it can't stand but as a Ep. IV prequel it is a BLAST!
A nice turn to to a darker SW universe, no more always noble Rebels.
I also think they a great job in small details like the 70s haircuts and mustaches.
And the fat X-Wing Pilot always dies...
;)
We also loved the short R2D2, C3PO, Leia and Vader scenes!
Have to watch Ep IV soon again.
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Yeah, the executives at Disney didn't like the first cut of the movie and they had to re-shoot most of it. That's why the first teaser is full of scenes that don't appear on the final cut:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wji-BZ0oCwg
yeah predatorp, but i meant parts from the speech of Saw Gerrera, some scenes of the At-At's blowing rebels, or the alien commando shooting a heavy repeating blaster on the door of a U-wing? and laughing sadisticly. ;D ;D ;D i LOVED that detail, sadly lost , among others! :?
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yeah predatorp, but i meant parts from the speech of Saw Gerrera, some scenes of the At-At's blowing rebels, or the alien commando shooting a heavy repeating blaster on the door of a U-wing? and laughing sadisticly. ;D ;D ;D i LOVED that detail, sadly lost , among others! :?
That last scene is in the movie ;) That's when he blasts away the leg of the AT.
Going to see it again this Monday :D
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Good point about R2 and 3PO.
I thought their appearance on Yavin was a bit too levered in and added nothing.
Now, if we'd seen them on the Tantive IV at the end I would've been perfectly happy with that and it would have made sense.
So I've no problem with the two of them popping into the film, I just thought it was done at the wrong point.
They put in a few member berries moments and not all of them worked as well as others
I didn't mind R2 and 3PO's appearance at Yavin 4 that much, made more sense then Ponda Baba and Dr E showing up at Jedha, they had to be pretty lucky and left the place just after their cameo ::)
Loved the inclusion of Gold and Red Leader though
But overall I loved it, saw it twice on Wednesday and once again yesterday, will probably see it at least once more next week :D
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I liked the film, but I'm sure I would have liked the original version even better. The weak point of the Deathstar being a result of sabotage was a good idea, but the whole plot line of the Erso family felt weak, boring and somewhat predictable.
Aside from that I really enjoyed the movie. The battles were great, both in space and on the ground. The ramming action was the best part :)
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Well that was pretty good, lots to like, though my main bone of contention was the inclusion of planet names, this isn't Guardians of the Galaxy, just do what all previous 7 films have done, say the name of the place your going to in dialogue!
The Mon Calamari admiral was a bit to CGI for my tastes, would have prefered a guy in a mask like ROTJ.
Nice to see Bail Organa again.
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Took my dad to see it today, nearly 40 years since he took me to see A New Hope. Great film, much better than The Force Awakens. Amazing ending. All ties in so well. Cannot understand though where all the Bothans that died to bring the information where?
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The vader scene at the end really ade him terrifying again! A single scene pretty much undid all of the damage done by the prequels.
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The vader scene at the end really ade him terrifying again! A single scene pretty much undid all of the damage done by the prequels.
Yeah and by those kiddie books like "Vader's Little Princess" and such. The comics have already tried doing the same, specially in the book "Vader Down" (that happens just after the "A New Hope" movie), with scenes like this:
(http://i.imgur.com/nwqldjv.jpg)
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MUCH better than Force Awakens....MUCH MUCH BETTER! CGI was meh.....its getting better but not there yet. Vader scene was cool. Very cool.
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IT. WAS. SO. GOOD!
It was everything I wanted Force Awakens to be. I'll need to give it some time to digest and another few viewing, but it's quite possibly my favorite Star Wars film, possibly over Empire! I didn't mind the ocasionally awkward CGI (something was definitely off about Leia) or the changes from the teaser trailer. In fact, thanks GOD they removed the "I'm a rebel. I rebel" line from the final, + 20 stars just for that atrocity gone! And OH MY LORD, K-2S0! "Did you even KNOW that wasn't ME?!" Best line ever, I absolutely lost it at that.
Most importantly, it was fun. The plot points made sense, they lead logically into each other without being distractingly obvious, and it was FUN! It was dark and everyone died of course, but I'm actually glad they had the balls to do that and not set it up for a sequel. Everyone died for a purpose, none of it felt wasted, everybody went out like a champion. SATISFYING character deaths, I love that in movies. Nothing kills a story for me like characters miraculously surviving just to make another movie/episode. I don't revel in their deaths or suffering, but it absolutely raises the stakes when nobody is safe and everybody could buy the farm, but they did it with style and they did it with meaning and they did it with great respect to making it fit in the universe we all love so much. Absolutely solid, absolutely A+++
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Exec interference is all too obvious in this film. About 10% of a thoughtful, ambitious film made it to the screen. It almost feels like the rest was lost in a fire. And then Disney hired a team of accountants to reconstruct the missing parts.
When Cassian kills the informant at the beginning, I was really impressed: that scene says "this film is going to tackle some tough realities about war and rebellion." Just like how it has been marketed! But nope, not even close. The rumors that Disney demanded reshoots to pull back to the Saturday morning cartoon sensibility of the larger franchise turned out to be true. The Empire is as comically ineffectual as Cobra mooks in an episode of G.I. Joe.
This is fine for the usual SW picture, the ones that start with the purposefully cheesy serials-inspired John Williams overtures and scrolling texts. It falls totally flat in a picture set up as a "dark and gritty war film." But before anyone says, hey it's for kids, consider the sudden shift back to visceral violence when Vader shows up like Jason in a Friday the 13th sequel.
I would like to read a candid interview with Gareth Edwards about his experience with Disney while making Rogue One. Judging by the look of the picture, which is really very inspiring, he was certainly capable of making a much more tonally consistent film. The film Disney released feels choppy and rushed through Act 1 before becoming an entirely different -and increasingly preposterous - movie in Act 2.
Considering what apparently happened here and that the next non-trilogy movie is slated to be the adventures of teenage heart throb Han Solo, I guess Disney has decided that SW sells better as a cartoon. It's certainly tempting to think Edwards's original Rogue One would have been a better movie - the "dark and gritty war movie" everyone is talking about. But maybe SW really is better off as a soaring romance with no pretense of "realism."
Mushing the two together was an unfortunate mistake.
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Good point about R2 and 3PO.
I thought their appearance on Yavin was a bit too levered in and added nothing.
Now, if we'd seen them on the Tantive IV at the end I would've been perfectly happy with that and it would have made sense.
So I've no problem with the two of them popping into the film, I just thought it was done at the wrong point.
LOL, - it was the other way for me.
I liked the Droids on Yavin because it was so subtle.
IMO they accompanied Organa, who then decided to let Leia deliver the plans and gave her also the two Droids.
If the Droids and Leia would appear at the end it would have been too much IMO!
But overall I loved it, saw it twice on Wednesday and once again yesterday, will probably see it at least once more next week :D
That is the spirit!
I am going to see it on IMAX soon.
Cannot understand though where all the Bothans that died to bring the information where?
LOL, I missed the Bothans too! ::)
... but it's quite possibly my favorite Star Wars film, possibly over Empire! I didn't mind the ocasionally awkward CGI (something was definitely off about Leia) or the changes from the teaser trailer.
I totally agree!
My ranking list for all 8 movies now is:
Ep V
Rogue
Ep VII
Ep III
Ep IV
Ep VI
Ep II
Ep I
And BTW, for me the CGI was absolutely OK, we are just so spoiled these days.
My wife only realized Tarkin being CGI in his last scene!
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Not really. According to 3PO in Star Wars their previous owner was 'Captain Antilles', who was the captain of the Tantive IV. Not Bail Organa.
Yes I know that, it was just impression when seeing the movie!
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I'm in the market for one of the visual guides - anyone leaded through them (seems to be a couple of similar but different versions)? Which is the 'best' (i.e. Has the most in it)? I'm particularly interested in images of Jedha, Gerrera'a gang and other assorted civilian type stuff.
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F#@King loved it!
Great story, great executing and great CGI on Cushing. I håber no clue if it's a good film though. Too much of a star wars nut to tell.
I thought Forever Awakens was stale in comparison. That film was a direct result of the three prequel disasters.
Hadn't the prequels existed Force Awakens would probably have been a totally different story.
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FYI - Bothans died to get the Death Star 2 plans.
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Have to wonder why no A or B wings were present, considering the new cannon has the rebels having both of those before they got X and Y wings....Yes I know that doesn't make sense, but Rebels :/
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Cannot understand though where all the Bothans that died to bring the information where?
As people still get this tidbit confused. The Bothans died bringing the plans to the second Deathstar in RotJ.
Grimm
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Saw it yesterday and have to say I enjoyed it immensely, so much better than Episode VII.
Good point about the deaths.
I took it for granted that Jyn, and possibly Cassian, would survive. Even as they sat by the shore, watching the wave. But you're right - it's good for the film that they die.
While I agree that the deaths of most of heroes were well done and were needed to give the movie more of a feeling a desperation for the rebels/grittiness to the subject matter I thought Jyn and Cassian's deaths were a waisted opportunity, a bit like Kirk's death in Generations!
Of course it could just be that I grew to care for these characters over the course of this one movie than I probably ever will for Rey and Fynn overe the course of three movies just because Episode VII will colour my perceptions going forward.
Plus I think Jones and Luna had better on-screen chemisrty than Ridley and Boyega.
the next non-trilogy movie is slated to be the adventures of teenage heart throb Han Solo, I guess Disney has decided that SW sells better as a cartoon.
That's the missed opportunity of this moive for the future, Jyn and Cassian had the legs to support thier own trilogy, maybe a moive set between each of the original saga movies, with thier eventual deaths coming with the Bothans when gathering intel about DS2 but Disney don't seem to want direct competition to for headlining saga parts of the franchise.
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(Someone is going to say the last 4 films were good. Just a heads up, no one believes you, you filthy liar! :D )
I know it is meant funny, ;) but it is kinda tiresome. ::)
I liked Ep III and II, and all this negative bashing just isn't fitting the civilized tone on this forum!
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I saw it yesterday and i loved it.
Probably the best but i also liked all the others, some more others less but the universe of Star Wars is there in all and there is always good ideas for us gamers to take from all the movies. :)
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For Force's sake, the day I go to see the movie the discussion escalated quickly. lol
I removed the tangent's posts and will remove further attempts to get this political. Please discuss the movie on its cinematic merits and how it fits into the universe. For the rest, there are other fora which welcome such discussion, but the LAF is NOT the place to do so.
My impression: Great movie, IMHO the best of the franchise except maybe ESB. Grand visuals, nice plot and dialogue that wasn't too hammy, and not a single adorable/annoying little character thingie in sight. IMHO, it managed to de-suck everything that was diminished by the Prequels' take on it.
Could have done without the 3D, though. Sadly my theatre doesn't show a non-3D-version.
Also, I liked Director Krennics glorious 70s hair. lol
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Nice one.
The 70's inspired styling was a great touch actually - the kind of thing that's easy to overlook but jarring if they'd missed it out.
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It was all about the moustache's, that was the most obvious styling choice fro the blokes in the rebel control centre on Yavin. I really liked the idea the rebellion wasn't unified and had been fighting a fairly dirty war, it adds shades of grey to the whole story. Was one of the rebel council members Kayvan Novak? (thats his real name not the character ;) )
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It was all about the moustache's, that was the most obvious styling choice fro the blokes in the rebel control centre on Yavin. I really liked the idea the rebellion wasn't unified and had been fighting a fairly dirty war, it adds shades of grey to the whole story. Was one of the rebel council members Kayvan Novak? (thats his real name not the character ;) )
Haha as in Fonejaker?!
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Saw it tonight and loved it. I loved the homages to WW2 and vietnam war movies, even to Alien and Aliens with the rain and the lights in the dark. The rebel helmets look good.
I wondered what use moisture evaporators have on a foggy planet. No jedi in sight really worked. Rebel extremists kick ass.
Was Leia CGI or is it original old footage mixed in??
Darth Vader is a bad mofo taking out so much rebel scum on his own.
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Although they look exactly like the Lars family moisture evaporators they are apprently soil purifiers. The rings of that planet are particles of a pulverized moon and that event contaminated the surface.
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Have to wonder why no A or B wings were present, considering the new cannon has the rebels having both of those before they got X and Y wings....Yes I know that doesn't make sense, but Rebels :/
Think it's because this is supposed to be the same force that was shown in A new Hope, so it wouldn't make sense to show A- and B-wings since they weren't shown in A New Hope, yes there are a few ships present that we didn't see in A new Hope, like the VCX-100 and the hammer heads, but it's easier to explain a few missing large and capital ships then entire squadrons of fighters
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I have seen it yesterday and I loved it!!! A real war film as far as a SW film can go in that direction ! Would like to see it again in a row with IV.
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Seen it - loved it!!
Vader's "display" was worth the admission price alone! Gave me chills - now that's how I want a Dark Lord of the Sith to be portrayed!! :o
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And as someone pointed out "the x-wing fat pilot always dies"... lol
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In fact is RED5, that later will be substituted by Luke Skywalker.
....luckily he was slim. lol
Oh, by the way!!! Look who appears briefly in the movie! i didn't knew!
https://www.instagram.com/p/BOJaXt2j7eJ/ (https://www.instagram.com/p/BOJaXt2j7eJ/)
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Damn I missed that Chopper cameo. It would've been nice to have Phoenix squadron checking in at the Battle too.
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I took my 4 year old little boy just like my dad took me to see A New Hope when I was 4. We both loved it, though Grampa is no longer interested in seeing more Star Wars. :(
I thought they did a fine job though you could tell that Disney watered down an ambitious, gritty film to appeal to more little kids without scaring them. Vader in the bacta tank could have been a really, really gritty image.
I LOVED the cameos in there, like the two criminals who accosted Luke, the probe-bot (like on Hoth) going through town, etc. I LOVED the environments, lots of rain, dirt, and a great view of the Rebel base in the rain forest.
I liked seeing the fighters laid out on the tarmac, Star Destroyer hovering over a city, limited use of the Death Star, like they are exercising it before really letting loose (makes sense to the test engineer in me).
I liked seeing things busy, like a real base, with aircraft, utilities, and stuff all over. One of the things I like best about Star Wars (and James Bond) is that the films take us to new and different places I never would have imagined.
A few quibbles the model-maker in me had, though - that tank design was a fail, Vader's gorget was somehow strange looking, Forest Whittaker's character should have showed some more metal.
I did not understand why there would be those levers out in strange, exposed areas on the Imperial Library base (forgot the name) but OK, part of the story, I can roll with that.
The sound was great, too. Powerful, made me want to duck a few times. I hated the sound in Eps. 1-3. It was silly and whimpy.
Curiously, I discovered that the sound engineer in charge of Eps. 1-3 was the brother of a classmate of mine in college. I should have held my tongue back then.
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If you mean the Imperial Juggernaut, it is Star Wars canon from back in the 80's.
Thanks.
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Damn I missed that Chopper cameo. It would've been nice to have Phoenix squadron checking in at the Battle too.
I believe the Ghost has a small cameo in the film too. And "General Syndulla" is mentioned - Hera or her father?
Not going to see it until next week but don't mind the spoilers!
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Saw it yesterday, love it :-* Was pretty disappointed with the VII so this redeemed so much of the SW universe to me.
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Saw it yesterday, love it :-* Was pretty disappointed with the VII so this redeemed so much of the SW universe to me.
I saw it today and completely agree with you :)
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And here's something nice. All the shots from the trailers/teasers that didn't end in the final cut of the movie:
ROGUE ONE - 46 SHOTS NOT IN THE FINAL FILM
https://vimeo.com/196155136
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Best.
Film.
Ever.
:D
Star Wars project for me over the holidays ;
cheers
James
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Loved it! One thing that bothered me...did the Death Star look more complete than in Episode IV?
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Nope. It's incomplete in VI (Death Star MkII) :-)
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Best.
Film.
Ever.
:D
Star Wars project for me over the holidays ;
cheers
James
Glad you enjoyed it! Just been. It was great.
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Just took my little girl last night. It was still great a second time within a week!
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Right, been to see it.
For me, it's a brilliant piece of masterful franchising.
So what do I mean?
So, whilst this is a prequel, it doesn't really have a number as if falls between two existing movies. It's almost a side movie. It doesn't link the movie before to the movie after, it just explores part of the overall story feeding into Star Wars (or A New Hope if you must). To me, this means that it gave the film a bit more license to play around.
I don't think it was "better" than Force Awakens, I think it was different. Both films are brilliant to me, both delivering what had been asked for since the original trilogy.
Whilst Force Awakens had the constraints of having to commit to what had come before, Rogue One really didn't. It had a loose story but one that hadn't really been fleshed out massively and as it was not part of the main story arch, as a result it could go places the other movies couldn't - yet.
Force Awakens had to be the re-awakening of the original plot line, re-introduce the same characters, go back and start the story where it left off. It had to fit in all of that AND introduce us to characters that would take the story forwards and onwards. Quite a lot to squeeze into one movie, and with all of the pressure of having to reassure people that from now on, we were back to the original quality and approach/style.
For me, this is why Rogue feels different. Because we were already reassured by Force Awakens. Without the constraints Rogue was able to be 'different' whilst in the same universe. And that is why it was a success. It could be about sacrifice more than the other movies could be. It could capture the grittiness more.
I also got the feeling that this was almost a thank you to those fans who had waited so long for the franchise to deliver again, and with the understanding that whilst Force Awakens did deliver, it still did not go all the way of thanking them.
I think all of the cameo's are perfectly explainable.
The two chaps in Jeda they bumped into, that was before they were captured and imprisoned. We're not really given much indication of time between their capture and destruction of Jeda. However, it was long enough for them to be transported to the rebel extremist base, and long enough for all Imperial Forces etc to be evacuated. I suspect that this means the course of several hours, easily enough time for ships to arrive and depart. Those not local to Jeda may even have skedaddled after the ambush fearing increased Imperial activity perhaps? Especially with missing crystals?
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Well myself and my other half had a great time, Donnie Yeng and Riz Ahmed were extremely likeable, and as many have said the world building was excellent.
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Just went and saw it.
My top Star Wars film (close with the originals). I should add a disclaimer that I'm not a big Star Wars nut. I don't think they're brilliant masterpieces of film...but the good ones are exceptionally cool. I was pretty let-down with the Force Awakens (for a host of reasons).
This movie delivered the best Star Wars combat to date. It felt far more real and visceral, and much more entertaining. I thought some of the characters were weak, etc., but again - exceptionally cool. That's enough to put my butt in the seat. This really made up for the Force Awakens (a decent effort). I think the settings, the atmosphere, the tech, the look, all of it outshone Force Awakens.
Several times in the film I thought "why didn't it look that good in Force Awakens?". Why do we see a full huge rebel base with actual craft and people doing things. The atmosphere of the rebel base was 100x the small airstrip they used in the Force Awakens. It delivered the feel of the original movies with the bases and the carts and droids zipping around, people working on ships etc.
Lots of cruddy/worn gear and pilot suits...all just wonderful. I seriously hope that the aesthetic is something they consider adopting for the next storyline film. I am a bit amazed by the number of cut scenes though (note that Jyn is running with the Death Star plans across the beach in one of those scenes --- and the TIE fighter ambushing her is very cool looking, etc.). Lots of cut stuff. I desperately hope some of it was just extended --- but I do believe I would have enjoyed the original cut even more.
All in all, a solid 4/5 stars.
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I love it. I also loved The Force Awakens.
For me the pacing in Rogue One is strange. The final act brings it home though and Vader's final scene... YES. That's Vader. It was brilliant.
The Cushing CGI was a bit uncanny valley for me but I really appreciated the effort. We are damn close!
Also enjoyed seeing Vader's castle, I remember visiting it in Star Wars Galaxies!
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I saw it today.
Excellent film.
Rate it 4 to 4.5.
Will go and see it again on the big screen,
maybe in 3D.
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After seeing it again in non-IMAX format I can say that the CGI on Leia and Tarkin seems way better on a "normal" screen. I think that the high-definition of the IMAX makes the effect much more unreal.
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Found some more Infos on the REbels tie ins:
http://www.starwars-union.de/nachrichten/17838/Offiziell-Alle-Star-Wars-Rebels-Verbindungen-in-Rogue-One/
(it is in German, but here are the pics)
(http://www.starwars-union.de/bilder/news_2016/20161220-rebels-rogue-one-01-sm.jpg)
Chopper on the left side!
(http://www.starwars-union.de/bilder/news_2016/20161220-rebels-rogue-one-02-sm.jpg)
The Ghost.
(http://www.starwars-union.de/bilder/news_2016/20161220-rebels-rogue-one-03-sm.jpg)
Ghost in space battle
And Saw Returns:
http://www.starwars-union.de/nachrichten/17837/Forest-Whitaker-spricht-Saw-Gererra-auch-in-Star-Wars-Rebels/
I am very happy how they integrate both the movie and the CGI series!
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Well, now my euphoria has died down there's only a couple of things that I thought needed improvement.
I don't think there was any need for R2 and 3P0 to be there, I would've thought that they would've been station on Captain Antilles ship in a more permanent basis.
The Scarif space battle needed more action from the Stardestroyers and possibly another Rebel capital ship to go toe to toe.
The computer core where the plans were was a bit unnecessary, it could have been just a normal large room filled with filing cabinet-like data banks.
And oddly, the biggest bugbear for me was the fact there wasn't an opening scroll :(
Other than that, a splendid, splendid film 8) 8) 8)
I'll have to see about making Mos Vegas a bit more like Jedda lol
cheers
James
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I think the big space battle should have had more gun batteries firing, now the space was not filled with laser beams :) And aren't there also some anti-fighter ships that should have been blasting away as well?
Oh and I loved the music, I wonder if the OST is already available.
And Jim, soon you will have both Mos Vegas and Jedda-like terrain, we know your addiction ;)
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The computer core where the plans were was a bit unnecessary, it could have been just a normal large room filled with filing cabinet-like data banks.
yeah thought it was a bit too much with that huge vault door, especially when Krennic just strolls up and uses the side door ;D
I thought that at the time, and was also miffed with the lack of the Star Wars theme music.
However, I think it worked because it got me in the mood that it was going to be something different. And god only knows the Star Wars franchise DESPERATELY needed a shake up.
So in hindsight I think they were right.
And it made the use of the Star Wars music at the end even better - finished off a great film and made it 'mine' again.
Strangely enough I thought it was less weird having a Star Wars movie start without the Star Wars theme this time then when episode 7 started without the Fox fanfare
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I almost think the C3-PO and R2-D2 cameos were just to maintain the "they're the only characters to be in all the films" thing that they've sort of tied themselves in to. That's if we count Anakin Skywalker and Darth Vader as separate characters. I liked the more understated Chopper cameo which I noticed despite not noticing the Ghost was there!
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So, can we see in the future a film with the members of Star Wars Rebels?
Speculation, speculation... ;D
All in all and after seing the other movies a lot of times this is IMHO the best because its the most diferent one.
And i still love all the others too.
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i wish they wrap all the set scenery and keep it just to film a serial like the yet-undone SW.Underground ::)
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On the subject of cgi Tarkin, Alot of people I know who have seen rogue one but didn't know that he was CGI were completely unaware, probably because without knowing that Peter Cushing is dead you wouldn't be looking for any flaws.
I do wonder if he might become the first actor to be nominated for the "best dead actor appearing in a film" award.
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Just back from seeing it and really liked it.
As noted (and generally agreed) above, the cameos were great, the sets were great and the worn-out gear really contributed to the look and feel of the whole experience.
I really did not like the Donnie Yen character, reminded me of the Japanese blind zombie slayer in the book of World War Z. Just came across to me as an overused trope for mine. I rather suspect I am in the minority with this.
That aside, a thoroughly entertaining film which concurred with my take of what the SW universe is like.
First rate.
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I saw it last night and was very impressed :-*
There are so many gaming possibilities from this.
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I did like the blind monk in the end, it's a bit of a cliche but easily explained with the Force hanging around. I did think there was a bit more possibility for his story, though. I thought there was some good pathos there in that whilst he Jedi were still around, he would probably have been trained up, but never got to see his potential because of the actions of the empire. I wish that'd been touched on more in the film.
I also agree that the Star Destroyers should have fired more. I love Armada and always imagine the pointy end of my space triangles spraying out constant barrages of green death!
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No, I'm with you.
He was my least favourite character as well.
Everything about him was predictable and he was obviously set up to be the 'cool' character.
I was surprised when he carked it, though relieved because I knew I wouldn't have to put up with him any more.
I thought they were all cool and what his character gave us was more about "the force" as a religion. We didn't find out if he was Jedi, or had Jedi powers, but we did know he had faith. Something we didn't often see a lot of in that way in other movies.
I also find people disliking characters because of predictability a bit odd when it comes to movies. Vader has to be one of the most predictable characters in the franchise and yet he is liked.
I mean we knew he would fail to get to the Tantive before it got away. We knew he would fail. Fail AGAIN. Fail to feel the presence of his daughter, fail to not dwell on killing grunts, fail to get through the bulkhead door quicker, fail to identify the data and prevent it from going through the gap with force grip.
All of the characters were relatively predictable - just like most movies that don't feature a massive plot twist.
In this instance he was a guardian, if he couldn't fight he would have been a pretty useless guardian. Considering the Jedi have been compared to Samurai it's fair to say that meant he was always going to follow where he felt the force was at it's strongest. None of the characters had enough screen time to be complex and deep to any real detail. It's one of the things about the movie I liked - there were no superhumans to turn the tide of the battle. It was grunt on grunt action.
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Yeah, that's true enough.
I suppose I've never been into the whole ninja monk thing and I don't like those kinds of characters. I find their whole spiritual channelling power nonsense patronising. Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side. I've seen a lot of strange stuff, but I've never seen anything to make me believe there's one all-powerful force controlling everything. There's no mystical energy field that controls my destiny.
And you are in to star wars? ;D
I mean, the force is a central part to all of the movies . . . . .
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Yeah, I got yah.
But it doesn't get you 'out'.
The Ninja Monk bit especially. The suggestion is that he is a 'monk'. Also, Ninja in this instance is poorly placed. He's not an assassin. Shaolin monk would be closer to what he is portrayed as in this instance.
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I can't memorise lines for various reasons . . . . so thanks for highlighting that. One of the reasons being that I have far more important things in life to memorise . . . .
Anyway, as I said, it still doesn't explain why you don't like that character in particular.
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Does anyone know if there are any plans for Rogue One characters to make an appearance as Imperial Assault figures?
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Yeah, that's true enough.
I suppose I've never been into the whole ninja monk thing and I don't like those kinds of characters. I find their whole spiritual channelling power nonsense patronising. Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no match for a good blaster at your side. I've seen a lot of strange stuff, but I've never seen anything to make me believe there's one all-powerful force controlling everything. There's no mystical energy field that controls my destiny.
I agree. (with Han ;)) The blind ninja was my least favorite character. The CGI needs a lot of work for Leia and Grand Moff. Maybe someday they wont even need real human actors anymore, that would be great.
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So essentially, there are 6 main characters;
- Jyn Erso
- Cassian Andor
- Chirrut Îmwe
- K-2SO
- Bodhi Rook
- Baze Malbus
The characters we pretty much follow for the story. Jyn, Cassian and K-2SO start and then are joined by the other three. The character of those six with seemingly the fewest lines is Baze, who mainly seems to be there for his special weapon. Other than that he appears to doubt the Force despite being a "guardian".
Jyn and Cassian are certainly not great believers in the force. Bodhi seems to be similar but we don't really see where he sits on that to begin with.
Of them all, Chirrut is the only solid, unwavering believer. At several key points he says things that inspire others to action. And brings forwards the discussion of faith, with other characters questioning his prayers etc. He provides the contrast to Saw who also apparently believes but has strayed from the path to a degree.
So for me, without Chirrut, you struggle to have the same transformation in Jyn, Cassian and the convincing of Baze. For me, this strand of the story is one of the most intriguing and flavour-adding to the story.
Some of the action is clichet possibly, but if you imagine his weapon as a lightsaber then he is really not that different in attack style etc as the Jedi we have seen in previous movies. In anything, I would say he is a tamed down version as he can't do the Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon style flips, jumps and maneuvers gained through use of the force.
They are all integral to the story, but of the six Chirrut is important to the 'journey' - more so than some of the others.
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Does anyone know if there are any plans for Rogue One characters to make an appearance as Imperial Assault figures?
Yes, the dead ones. :o
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I may cause some tension here........but I didn't like it!
To start with, there was no open credit scroll away thingy! Come on it's Star Wars!
Next the story. At the start it's all over the place, from one planet to the next. There's that many planets in the first part of the film, they feel the need to put names of them up so you know where you are!
The main actors. Unlike Force Awakens they seem to lack character. I don't know why Felicity Jones is in a lot of these big blockbuster films! She seems boring! And Captain Cassian....I keep expecting him to say "Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die."
The CGI Moff Tarkin and Leia were distracting! I found myself trying to work out what wasn't quite right about there faces as opposed to listening to what they were saying! o_o
What is there always got to be some switch somewhere and why was it unprotected and in the open during he final battle!
What's with the big vault door into the data centre that K-2SO locks down only for the Director to walk in an unprotected side door!
Don't get me wrong the final battle was brilliant! I always loved AT-ATs. Adding in footage of pilots from a New Hope was a good touch. And Red 5 getting killed to allow Luke to take that call sign was a touch of genius!
Overall out of 10, I'd give it a 7/7.5 for the special effects! For all Force Awakens Death Star sized plot holes, it had more soul! I think I prefer that one!
I'm going to see it again with a few mates in a few days, maybe the second time around may be different?
Edit:I found this great picture drawn for Rogue One....
(http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a605/andymac2105/Mobile%20Uploads/EFC9B174-6E8F-4F0A-BC46-6C41379BBAB3_zps7ol70kir.jpg) (http://s1286.photobucket.com/user/andymac2105/media/Mobile%20Uploads/EFC9B174-6E8F-4F0A-BC46-6C41379BBAB3_zps7ol70kir.jpg.html)
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My better half and I are away for Christmas so did present last last night (so that we didn't have to cart them around) and one of mine was 'the art of Rogue One'. It's such a fantastic book for ideas - some stuff that's better looking than the film, some that isn't but all great ideas. Worth checking out.
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Andym, you've highlighted why this is a good movie. Because, we, as an audience now have options. I could barely tell you the names of the characters in the movie, but I can tell you I found it an order of magnitude more entertaining/engaging than Force Awakens. You have found it to be the opposite.
As far as I'm concerned, that's a good thing! lol
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I may cause some tension here........but I didn't like it!
Not at all mate...
Just hang your head in shame and don't forget to close the door when you leave lol ;)
Get the Art of Rogue One as there are some cracking ideas for stuff in there.
I do agree with your points but I'm not letting them get in the way of the fact I nearly wet myself watching it lol
cheers
James
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Not sure what to think of it.
On the plus side I liked the way they tried to match styles with the originals movies. Haircuts and moustaches ... I really liked it.
Other than that .... I missed a few things that were already mentioned - scroll thingy at the start, original Star Wars theme etc.
But what had me scratch my head was, that they were able to down an AT-AT with a "puny" door gun, whilst (Star Wars time-line-wise) 5 years later their landspeeder-mounted-big-a**-cannons couldn't scratch the paint of an AT-AT on Hoth? ... Seriously?
What really pissed me off though was that I didn't find a cinema showing the movie in 2D ... wearing glasses and 3D glasses annoyed me big time and surely made me give the movie not the credit it deserved. Which could explain my first thought at the end of the movie: "It was ok ... and I really like the fact that none of the main cast will show up in another movie ...."
I know ... I am an angy old white man ... maybe I should apply for Director Krenneks job ...
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I do agree with your points but I'm not letting them get in the way of the fact I nearly wet myself watching it lol
Does feel a bit like a guilty pleasure, doesn't it? Hell, I found issues I've not heard mentioned yet.
But those moments, when almost 40 years melted away, and there was no effort in suspending disbelief, you KNOW I cherish.
Doug
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Get the Art of Rogue One as there are some cracking ideas for stuff in there.
The couple of pages of Jedha extras - particularly the silhouettes page - was worth the cover price alone for me!
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Agreed: The art of R1 is a nice book and good companion to my old Ralph/Joe SW sketchbooks.
Oh, it's been confirmed that the "General" Syndulla is Hera, not Cham.
Rogue TWO is also in the film (radio chatter lifted from ep4) but it's hard to hear.
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I watched the movie today with my nephew and we both really enjoyed it. It was fast paced and full of the right moves and one liners. I'm looking to see it again the week after Christmas. It is well worth the bucks spent.
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Saw it tonight and thoroughly enjoyed it. A good story with great action scenes, the whole thing dovetailed perfectly with EP IV. I choose to discount the oddities of film production such as why there was an 8 track player at the top of the Dish Array, and the Dish was aligned by a console at the end of a precarious walkway 1,000 feet from the ground. The CGI Tarkin and Leia was not perfect but perfect enough to move the story along.
I saw EP IV as a 13 year old at the Odeon Leicester Square in 1977 and was spellbound. This one came close and I will see it again.
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X-Wing have announced two of the Rogue One ships
U-wing
https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2016/11/28/valuable-intel/ (https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2016/11/28/valuable-intel/)
I already bought a U-wing from Hot Wheels yesterday from a department store for about US$ 12 and then saw it in the supermarket for about US$ 9 an hour later.
I plan to use this with the dial and cards from another ship (possibly Slave I)
http://play.hotwheels.com/en-us/shop/productdetail?id=10012984&ProductName=Hot-Wheels-Star-Wars-U-Wing-Fighter-&Category=collection&SubCategory=Star Wars&SeoName=Star-Wars (http://play.hotwheels.com/en-us/shop/productdetail?id=10012984&ProductName=Hot-Wheels-Star-Wars-U-Wing-Fighter-&Category=collection&SubCategory=Star Wars&SeoName=Star-Wars)
TIE Striker
There is also a new TIE Striker fighter for the Empire
https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2016/12/5/a-swift-and-vigilant-defense (https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/news/2016/12/5/a-swift-and-vigilant-defense)/
Rogue One Cargo Shuttle
The Imperial Rogue One Cargo Shuttle is available in the Star Wars Black Titanium Series which is probably a bit small for X-Wing. I may buy it and use it with the dial card and stands for the Imperial Shuttle.
http://toy-star.ch/shop/titanium-series/3815-star-wars-black-series-titanium-series-2016-wave-2-diecast-fahrzeug-imperial-cargo-shuttle-sw-0608-rogue-one.html
(http://toy-star.ch/shop/titanium-series/3815-star-wars-black-series-titanium-series-2016-wave-2-diecast-fahrzeug-imperial-cargo-shuttle-sw-0608-rogue-one.html)
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Yes, the dead ones. :o
You mean just like Obi-Wan and Vader and the Inquisitor? Hand those figures back at once, young man!
I reckon after Jabba's Palace we'll see Endor (Ewoks!), then Rebels then Rogue One. The last two may be the other way round, of course, depending on customer demand. X-Wing has ships from both already.
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You mean just like Obi-Wan and Vader and the Inquisitor? Hand those figures back at once, young man!
I reckon after Jabba's Palace we'll see Endor (Ewoks!), then Rebels then Rogue One. The last two may be the other way round, of course, depending on customer demand. X-Wing has ships from both already.
That's what I thought funnily enough! That list could go on. I had in mind an Enforcer droid, that'd be a great addition.
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I think it's appropriate to post this here:
(http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj93/predatorpt/Forums/15698121_1213455005402201_8124805192600933137_n_zpsbaf4vloe.jpg)
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I don't get it...?
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I don't get it...?
Carrie Fisher suffered a major heart attack yesterday. She is still in intensive care as we speak.
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Carrie Fisher suffered a major heart attack yesterday. She is still in intensive care as we speak.
Yeah:
http://www.bbc.com/news/entertainment-arts-38428338
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And the Art Book for the movie looks spectacular. Lots of inspirational images and drawings:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFwnbdGS5G8
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And the Art Book for the movie looks spectacular. Lots of inspirational images and drawings:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CFwnbdGS5G8
I think I will have to put that one on the list ;D
There's also this one:
Rogue One: The Ultimate Visual Guide (HC)
Looks interesting too: "This beautifully detailed title features in-depth character profiles, plus 6 newly commissioned and fully annotated cross-sections of vehicles and mapped-out locations. With clear and authoritative text, this book is packed with essential information — and presented alongside stunning stills from the movie."
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I think I will have to put that one on the list ;D
There's also this one:
Rogue One: The Ultimate Visual Guide (HC)
Looks interesting too: "This beautifully detailed title features in-depth character profiles, plus 6 newly commissioned and fully annotated cross-sections of vehicles and mapped-out locations. With clear and authoritative text, this book is packed with essential information — and presented alongside stunning stills from the movie."
I also saw a review of that book but it didn't look as good:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_szo54UbKI
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I also saw a review of that book but it didn't look as good:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6_szo54UbKI
Thanks for that, indeed looks more 'meh' than the other.
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I think the Visual Guides are aimed more at kids and have content as such. The Complete Vehical series are worth getting though.
cheers
James
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The best Star Wars film since the second one (The Empire Strikes Back). It's a pity the Force Awakens last year was so poor (A best of for the modern generation).
I didn't care for the CGI Tarkin and Leia - wish they had used double or similar looking real actors. I did like lots of added bits for us oldies who watched the originals in the cinema too - Red and Gold leaders (unused film from the original film).
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The funniest thing about the film, for me, was the 'Homer Simpson moment' as me and my wife walked into the cinema. A dad and his son were leaving and the little lad said "It's a shame they all had to die" just as they walked up to us :D . His dad was mortified but we just laughed... I can imagine some people being horrified :D !
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I really liked it.
I actually thought by the end they could have made the Film longer, or even a Second one, because it just seemed like there was so much more they could have explored with Rogue One, and given even more juicier insights into the Universes background and the politics of the Rebellion/Empire. Its for this reason alone I think that in part it felt a tiny bit rushed (it was like the first 20 minutes were really slow, and then suddenly its lightning fast and I felt a bit overwhelmed).
The ending was a dead giveaway I think if anyone had paid attention to the previous films, but it was still good, I had a few mates complain about the ending like why they didn't try and escape etc, but I think thats overthinking it, and in the wrong way as well.
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I think the Visual Guides are aimed more at kids and have content as such. The Complete Vehical series are worth getting though.
cheers
James
I meant to say to you, Bargain Books is doing the £30 Vehicles of Star Wars books for a tenner.
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I've got the Visual Guides for both The Force Awakens and Rogue One (albeit in a German edition - the originals might be better).
Lots of pics of what was seen in the films, but not much beyond that, visually. The text adds background info, but indeed on a rather simplistic basis (i.e. target group - kids). It's not half as bad as the "Complete Locations" book, but I got all three for the pics and not for the text, and for that, the price is okay. The Rogue One book has lots of pics of characters, some from multiple angles, so from a costume point-of-view, that's a good yield.
The cutaways are good, though, I would have liked blueprints to go with them. The measurements appear a bit iffy, or Revell might just be bullshitting us with the scales listed on the kit boxes. o_o
I've got the "The Art of Rogue One" book on order, and am curious to see how it will compare to the old "The Art of..." books (of which I've got the early-90s' editions).
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... The measurements appear a bit iffy, or Revell might just be bullshitting us with the scales listed on the kit boxes. o_o
Oh no, no; that never happens! ::)
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I've got the "The Art of Rogue One" book on order, and am curious to see how it will compare to the old "The Art of..." books (of which I've got the early-90s' editions).
Very different but not in a bad way but I'll leave it there and let you make your own mind up :)
I meant to say to you, Bargain Books is doing the £30 Vehicles of Star Wars books for a tenner.
Is it the Complete Vehicles ones then I got them in WHSmiths for £6 each :D Bargain :D
cheers
James
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Any help?......
(http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a605/andymac2105/Mobile%20Uploads/C14EE083-9B2E-47D6-9621-E384AFB918B8_zps5zqvpxkx.jpg) (http://s1286.photobucket.com/user/andymac2105/media/Mobile%20Uploads/C14EE083-9B2E-47D6-9621-E384AFB918B8_zps5zqvpxkx.jpg.html)
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Yup, £6 and that goes for the black version as well :)
cheers
James
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Got a dog mate?
(http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a605/andymac2105/Mobile%20Uploads/AD7ECEF6-ACF8-421A-B285-FD56E900FD75_zps9m164do8.png) (http://s1286.photobucket.com/user/andymac2105/media/Mobile%20Uploads/AD7ECEF6-ACF8-421A-B285-FD56E900FD75_zps9m164do8.png.html)
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lol
Nope, a bunny ;D
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Got a dog mate?
(http://i1286.photobucket.com/albums/a605/andymac2105/Mobile%20Uploads/AD7ECEF6-ACF8-421A-B285-FD56E900FD75_zps9m164do8.png) (http://s1286.photobucket.com/user/andymac2105/media/Mobile%20Uploads/AD7ECEF6-ACF8-421A-B285-FD56E900FD75_zps9m164do8.png.html)
Well if this doesn't convince my wife that we need a dog then I don't know what will! :D
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Carrie Fisher has died. Sixty is no age to go.
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Carrie Fisher has died. Sixty is no age to go.
2016 is really a year to forget :( At least "Rogue One" can serve as a tribute to her character.
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Yeah, that sucks. Heck George Michael was only 53...
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Back on topic please. There is an obituary thread on the General Board which, as a lifelong Star Wars fan will leave open, but I'd prefer this thread to focus on the film.
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I saw it today..
And that was surprisingly soviet film for american western movie business.
By soviet I meant - all good guys die in the end to serve victory - plot type.
Thats is quite rare in western cinematography and I was surprised because I suspected they will sneak some survivors there :)
I hope it wont hurt toy sales and they will introduce more serious plots in the future.
Oh how much better death of Jarjar would make Phantom Menace :>
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I was thinking more Greek Tragedy than Soviet, but I guess more than one culture can claim that style where everybody dies for something bigger than themselves.
Still, it was only the ground crew that was completely wiped out. Many in space survived, though clearly not all. Leah (though not Carrie...) and the droids were introduced into Rogue One in preparation for A New Hope. It really gave a sense of hope, at the end, too, at least for me.
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"Soviet" sums it up pretty well. Greek tragedy implies futility; the R1 characters achieved all of their goals (self-preservation simply wasn't one of them).
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That is the style of soviet era war movies.
I was wondering my whole childhood why every character have to die and Polish war movies weren't like that :P
They stopped to show soviet movies in Tv when I was 9. But some Russian movies have similar gloomy style.
Removing all Star wars props and the movie Zvezda from 2002
tell almost the same story as Rogue One :)
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0326450/
IMHO it is very nice change for sci-fi movies and Star wars especially. I hope they will try deferent styles to Family heroics of classic Star wars.
So I hope Rogue will kill the box office.
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Saw this last night. Enjoyed it very much. Seemed to me to basically be a glorious rehash of just about all foregoing Star Wars clichés and signatures, thrown together into a new movie with much the same story elements as usual, but a different cast. So on one hand different, on the other hand, more of the same - but then that's what many of us love about Star Wars I guess.
Spectacular CGI settings, very silly planet names, interesting characters, most of whom - in a departure from the franchise norm - indeed die at the end. Yay. No direct sequel to this one then...
My only criticism was that I found it difficult to hear quite a lot of the dialogue. Partly, I think because there were a lot of leading actors talking in accented Englsh, partly because of the sheer raucous madness of the whole thing - including the sound mixing - and partly, I think, because I seemed to be sitting under the speaker in the cinema that was delivering all the battle sound effects and music, and the dialogue was coming from somewhere far far away... :-[
But that's a minor grumble. Overall I'd give it 9/10. Can't wait to see it again :)
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Does this mean we're tempting you to the Dark Side of gaming >:D
I do think a lot of the cinemas pump the sound out too loud and they equate this to 'A better experience' :?
cheers
James
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To be honest I think it's Hollywood that has the happy endings, there are plenty of old British movies where the heroes don't make it to the end - and modern ones as well.
In terms of Star Wars, I think it's the only thing that bugs me about both Star Wars (IV) and RotJ in that they have endings like the ending of a pantomime where everyone comes back and takes a bow with uplifting music and cheers etc.
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Does this mean we're tempting you to the Dark Side of gaming >:D
Emphatically not - I have more than enough projects on the go o_o ;D
Besides, why would I need to build my own Star Wars collection when I can come and play with your wonderful toys :D lol
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Emphatically not - I have more than enough projects on the go o_o ;D
Besides, why would I need to build my own Star Wars collection when I can come and play with your wonderful toys :D lol
Because I've only got desert bases and terrain, there's a whole universe to do yet ;D
cheers
James
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Because I've only got desert bases and terrain, there's a whole universe to do yet ;D
cheers
James
Speaking of which got those commandos yet?
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Speaking of which got those commandos yet?
::)
No
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Because I've only got desert bases and terrain, there's a whole universe to do yet ;D
cheers
James
Then shouldn't you get to steppin'???
Grimm
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Just been to watch the film, worth the price of admission just for the Vader scene in the end, now excuse me as I am off to order Imperial Assault,😁
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Forgot to mention earlier another great nod to the past - Blue Milk!!!
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Forgot to mention earlier another great nod to the past - Blue Milk!!!
Yeah, that was a neat cameo...admittedly very blatant (they oddly focused an entire shot on the blue milk, lol)
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I did a great job of avoiding any news/spoilers/behind the scenes/interviews/discussion of this film, and I finally got around to seeing it today.
Not knowing anything but a loose sketch of what it was about, I thoroughly enjoyed it.
While obviously not a sequel to Empire, it certainly is a spiritual sequel. It capture the tone, grittiness, and scary Vader that we deserve. It was the best Star Wars film since the original Trilogy.
I have to give a nod to the clever use of the 'weakspot' of the Deathstar. They successfully integrated what was a bit of a joke of a plot hole, and turned it on it's head....Having it basically give birth to the spirit of the Alliance.
The CGI didn't really bother me. Sure, it doesn't look right, but there are plenty of scenes in 'Empire' or 'A New Hope' where the effects didn't quite work. It never pulled me from the films then, and it really doesn't now either. I didn't know there was a scene with Princess Leia, and given it's timing, seems a fitting salute to such a wonderful character.
Somehow, this film made the Star Wars universe seem gigantic again, unlike Episode 7, where we could literally watch the all the planets of the Republic explode from the ground...
I'm sure there were a ton of easter eggs in there, and I caught a few, but obviously, I'll need more viewings to spot them all.
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I went back and watched the movie again.
Enjoyed it just as much as the first time.
Any ideas on 28mm figures to match the rebels in the final battle?
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I went back and watched the movie again.
Enjoyed it just as much as the first time.
Any ideas on 28mm figures to match the rebels in the final battle?
Well there is the Imperial Assault Alliance Rangers Ally Pack:
https://www.fantasyflightgames.com/en/products/star-wars-imperial-assault/products/alliance-rangers-ally-pack/
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Saw the movie at IMAX yesterday- absolutely brilliant!
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I went back and watched the movie again.
Enjoyed it just as much as the first time.
Any ideas on 28mm figures to match the rebels in the final battle?
There are still many WotC bendies around for little moneys. And they have quite a few Rebel Commandos in the range, as well as several 'Antares Ranger' types etc, all of which would fit the bill with a simple repaint. Just look around a bit; there are plenty of matches.
That's the route I'll eventually be taking anyway...
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Finally saw it last night. Very well done. Almost a different genre of movie that happened to be set in the SW universe. Probably my favorite so far. (after New Hope at age 13) Much different, more sober, menacing than any of the others. And I agree about the Vader boarding scene: I've never seen him as truly dangerous until right then.
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I have to give a nod to the clever use of the 'weakspot' of the Deathstar. They successfully integrated what was a bit of a joke of a plot hole, and turned it on it's head....Having it basically give birth to the spirit of the Alliance
Well said!
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I went back and watched the movie again.
Enjoyed it just as much as the first time.
Any ideas on 28mm figures to match the rebels in the final battle?
To answer my own question.
Many of the guys look a lot like colonial marines from Aliens.
Their helmets look kind of like US helmets from WWII.
Need to go back and look at threads on the Forum.
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If I remember correctly, those helmets were the same ones used in Return of the Jedi on Endor.
A little like this but the black area needs to be built outward: http://www.warrelics.eu/forum/attachments/world-steel-helmets/180016d1298047031-idf-israeli-helmets-arab-israeli-wars-1967-1982-a-24c04ef5.jpg
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To answer my own question.
Many of the guys look a lot like colonial marines from Aliens.
Their helmets look kind of like US helmets from WWII.
Need to go back and look at threads on the Forum.
Hmm, for me the Arcadians from Victoria Minis are fitting.
(http://product-images.highwire.com/6712110/female-arcadians-1.jpg)
Maybe some weapon swaps.
(http://product-images.highwire.com/9838444/5-man-squad-universal.jpg)
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Agis,
Thanks for the Victoria Minis post.
I saw these figures in another post and forgot to bookmark it.
Have not had time to go back and look of it.
I did order some Rebel Miniatures that look as they would work.
A good mix of different figures would make the Rebels look about right.
For me, they don't have to be prefect, just a good match.
PS, just went and ordered from Victoria, a 10 man Arcadian squad and 6 man weapons squad.
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And Captain Cassian....I keep expecting him to say "Hello. My name is Inigo Montoya. You killed my father. Prepare to die."
I thought the exact same thing. :o
Otherwise still loved the movie though, despite some weak points it managed to bring back the magic, contrary to The Force Awakens. Probably because they recreates the esthetics of the originals more.
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I did the brave thing and brought my girlfriend along to the movie, and she loved it. Lots of small touches that made this more down to earth and "realistic" really did it. Cassian having to wipe rain from his eyes while sniping, and a rebel trooper asking what this "master switch" looks like and how to find it, instead of it beeing some big red "don't touch!" button. I'm also a big stickler for continuity and this movie had it in spades, in the right way (IMHO) it could have gone very wrong with the mix of existing characters and it all felt pretty good and does a great job to set up a new hope. Probably my favourite prequel to anything.
One thing that did bother me. In the final battle, there is a high up shot of the landing pad area that is beeing fought over by rebels and troopers. While I liked all the action shots that one high up camera angle showed the layout of the greeble and cargo around the pad and it really looked like a paintball arena. In modern computer games there is the concept of "chest high walls" The kind of thing you take cover behind and for some reason every piece of machinery and blown up wall is the perfect height for that. The area this took place in was a square piece of clearing in the forest, enhancing the pre-made battle area feel. The way the cover is scattered about was also very evenly, so that no matter where in the area you would stand there would be some cover nearby, rather then it beeing placed in some logical way that suggests use and function.
Anyhow, that's my one rant. I loved the movie and am more excited about starwars than I have been in a long time.
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As a war movie it isn't anything like as cool as, say, Black Hawk Down
https://youtu.be/BCCp3z7Zz4g
Then again, that does leave room in ones imagination for how they should do it Properly.
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Forgot to mention earlier another great nod to the past - Blue Milk!!!
I liked the two troopers casually chatting about the T-15 while the rebel's sneaked around them.
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Saw it yesterday evening...and was simply stunned! The first half was okayish, but the battle scenes in part two: amazing...no legendary!
I also liked the many easter eggs and references to A New Hope and like many here have already mentioned felt like a six year old again. A mysterious universe. Very old yet filled with space travel. An evil empire and as a novelty grimdark heroes.
Only one thing feels really strange. In the movie there seems to be hyperspace communication between Yavin 4 and rebel squadrons. That already felt very strange in episode 7.
I always imagined the Star Wars universe vast and gigantic (a star destroyer even dwarfs 40ks flying cathedrals!). Since when did people therin possess space mobiles? That was too much Dr. Who.
But let's not complain too much. I now wanna start a space opera tabletop again!
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One thing that did bother me. In the final battle, there is a high up shot of the landing pad area that is beeing fought over by rebels and troopers. While I liked all the action shots that one high up camera angle showed the layout of the greeble and cargo around the pad and it really looked like a paintball arena. In modern computer games there is the concept of "chest high walls" The kind of thing you take cover behind and for some reason every piece of machinery and blown up wall is the perfect height for that. The area this took place in was a square piece of clearing in the forest, enhancing the pre-made battle area feel. The way the cover is scattered about was also very evenly, so that no matter where in the area you would stand there would be some cover nearby, rather then it beeing placed in some logical way that suggests use and function.
Anyhow, that's my one rant. I loved the movie and am more excited about starwars than I have been in a long time.
I just saw it for the second time last night, and I paid a bit of attention to this. To me, the cargo was placed in such a way that cargo loaders could easily maneuver in between them (think forklifts), especially when cargo is unloaded and needs to be sorted and carried to different areas. So I wouldn't say the spacing of the cargo is especially odd.
I do give you that it's bloody convenient though... lol
Some observations of my own now:
- When the rebel strike force is wlkaing out of the Yavin IV temple to board the captured shuttle, there is (of course) the Ghost parked in the top left of the screen. But inbetween the Ghost and the shuttle, there is an actual Z-95 parked on the pad!
- The planet where Galen Erso is hiding; it has a moon, and on the surface, we can see a tidal sea, with surf chopping on a beach. But the planet also has a ring system around it (a la Saturn), but such aring would be unable to form with a moon of such mass in orbit around the planet (nitpickiing).
- When the Hammerhead corvette butts the disabled ISD against the other one, and they all crash into the shield station, the direction they're falling is directly down, towards the planet. and thr station is directly above the Scariff Citadel tower. In other words; two 1,6 Km long Stardestroyers and an even larger space station are plummeting directly down on Scariff station. Which makes Tarkin's Deathstar shot just a tad overkill I'd say. Also; during the end scenes, there not one piece of ISD falling down (on screen).
- In the archive scenes, when K-2SO closes the vault doors; I've read complaints that Krennic simply uses a side door to bypass the vault door. However; the vault door lead to the control room where Erso and Cassian were at that time. It appears as if the door krennic and his troopers opened was more of a service door, and normally not available to personnel. Also, there was no need for the stormtroopers to go there, as their assault was aimed at the renegade security droid at the console, not the archive itself.
There's more, of course, but I'll reserve that for subsequent viewings. However, none of the above pierced my (admittedly very large) suspension of disbelief at any time, so I'm good... :D
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Only one thing feels really strange. In the movie there seems to be hyperspace communication between Yavin 4 and rebel squadrons. That already felt very strange in episode 7.
If you mean the attempted recall of the attack on Eadu, I took the "they are already engaged" comment to mean that they'd sent an attack signal before entering hyperspace to head to the planet.
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What Akula said - given that if sent after, they would be close to the enemy who could intercept the message / or just found to be lurking around waiting for the order to attack.
Much more sense to jump after the order to attack and then not to hang about and get the job done.
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If you mean the attempted recall of the attack on Eadu, I took the "they are already engaged" comment to mean that they'd sent an attack signal before entering hyperspace to head to the planet.
Well, that is a pretty good explanation which will keep my mind silenced. Planning to see it again on the weekend!
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"- The planet where Galen Erso is hiding; it has a moon, and on the surface, we can see a tidal sea, with surf chopping on a beach. But the planet also has a ring system around it (a la Saturn), but such aring would be unable to form with a moon of such mass in orbit around the planet (nitpickiing)."
Because *all together now* That's no moon...that's a space station! :D
(yeah the death star was over Jedha at the time, so that probably was a moon. But it looked cool.)
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I hate to disagree with everyone, but I saw Rogue One last week and was massively disappointed. Not as bad as The Force Awakens, but still terrible.
I mean, the film looked wonderful. It really did. All the points my fellow LAFers raised earlier in the thread about the dirtiness, the moustaches, etc, are spot on. I'm not sure a Star Wars film has ever looked so good. Also, the world-building was excellent. It was great to have such a convincing explanation for the structural flaw in the Death Star, for example.
But the actual story-line of the movie... the acting... the dialogue... the characters (especially the ridiculously hackneyed "blind Asian sensei")... the conveniently placed switches... I was actually looking at my watch, wondering how long there was to go. (And then Vader got busy, and it was *almost* worth it :-*).
But my biggest complaint: I've been waiting over 30 years, and I STILL haven't seen a Star Destroyer do anything cool. That first shot in the first movie, when the SD looms into view, my young self thought (and sorry, mods, no other words can capture this feeling) "Oh WOW, I can't wait to see that thing really fuck some shit up!!!" At the end of R1, the rebel fleet zooms directly into the path of two SDs. Do they do anything cool? Are big rebel ships getting blasted out of space in all directions? Nope. Not a damn thing.
One day I'd like someone to make a SW movie that concentrated on making a really good movie, rather than something that just looked cool. And in which a Star Destroyer gets to really, really toast something.
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At the end of R1, the rebel fleet zooms directly into the path of two SDs. Do they do anything cool? Are big rebel ships getting blasted out of space in all directions? Nope. Not a damn thing.
When Vader shows up, the capital ships rip through the rebel fleet, so they do get to kick SOME ass. You're right though, the damned things are mostly useless.
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In their defense...
Vader with his ISD shows up just as the Rebel fleet is moving to jump to hyperspace. Coming out of hyperspace, I suspect that there are a few moments where situational awareness needs to be established (especially on a ship that large), so that this ship does not fire immediately, I can understand.
There is is satisfying moment when a rebel transport smashes right into the prow of the ISD though...
As for the two SDs on station; they were caught off guard when the Rebels jumped in. and due to the very strict cadaver discipline of the Imperial Navy, nobody shows even the slightest amount of initiative. Not until there are orders from above, obviously.
Add to that a lot of incapability in the upper echelon due to commissions being political rather than on merit, and they've got a hierarchy that is bound to fail.
Which clearly shows how the Imperial organisation is superbly adapted to have the initiative or to react to standard situations and challenges, but is woefully inadequate when faced with out of the box surprises.
So the two present ISDs were caught with their pants down, and due to the failing officers in charge, they reacted too slow to effectively bring their awesome arsenal to bear. Not until it was too late anyway.
Also; if they had been lead by a capable and seasoned cadre of officers, the entire Rebel fleet would have been reduced to Stardust (eh, eh? ;D ) in minutes, which would have been really, really bad for the storyline and continuity... ;)
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Why were the Storm Troopers transporting high value material through the close packed streets of Jedha rather than just using one of the many hover transports available to them? Also, the Rebels/Insurgents are radioing each other to coordinate their attack. Do the Imperials not have any signals intelligence? What is that ISD hovering above the city doing? The Storm Troopers walk straight into a killzone that modern infantry would stay well clear of without sending in a screening force or establishing top cover. And what was with that tank that could only fire on vertical axis?
And don't get me started on the lack of effective fire from the capital ships in the final space battle. There was virtually no point defence fire against the fighters or ship to ship combat. And why do the Rebels insist on taking unarmed transports into battle!? Oh, and if Imperial Droids are that effective in combat why don't the Empire just use them instead of the useless Troopers who can't hit the broad side of a barn?
Good film though...
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I'm an x-wing player and sort of liked the space/ship fighting scenes (could have been more of those) but I have to say I was not wonderfully impressed with the movie. I actually found the movie something of a turn off for me. The easter eggs for the other movies etc. were cute but the overall it left me feeling 'meh' as my daughter would say.
The 'dumb as sheep and useless in combat' imperials gets really old and I pretty much guessed every step of the plot before it came up. There was really little tension in the movie IMO. You knew they would get the message out in the end so why not make it about whether the heroes survive - but that was clear they were going to kill them in the end. As mentioned here, there were various plot devices/silly items that made me go '???' why would they do that? Oh to make the story work of course as it's stupid/does not make sense otherwise...
It was not awful but the beer afterwards was a better deal. I would have been better using that money to buy more toys and just head to the bar. Next movie (next christmas) I'll just take a pass on I think.
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Did I miss something? The imperials seemed a lot more deadly this time, their fire was effective against the rebels on the ground and tons of rebel fighters got shot out of the sky.
As for point defense, I'd like to see that, too, but fighter-v-fighter was pretty cool, as well. US aircraft carriers only carry, what, about 8 Sea Sparrow missiles in a box? At least back in the 1980s-1990s, not sure what, now. Okay, CWIS and RAM point defense, but their offensive and defensive weaponry is based upon aircraft and escort ships. So, I can see an ISD without *every* weapon system. Maybe CWIS was disengaged while the TIEs were flying that close.
Whatever the case, you're right, it's time to see some ISDs showing more their power, but I still liked what they did in Rogue One. Supposing that jumping out of hyperspace in that position was deliberate, then ramming those rebels before they escaped was pretty slick.
On another note, I wonder if the Director's Cuts will include more of Vader bathing, longer set-up scenes before firefights, more explanation of the blind-sensei and his shooter buddy's history together, more about the Jedi temple that was being ransacked, and so on. They could easily add another hour or two of backstory and scene preparation. I'd enjoy that.
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@mellis1644 - absolutely agree RE: absurdly incompetent Imperials - I had a bad feeling about R1 when Krennic's ostensibly elite Death Trooper body guards allowed him to be shot by a non-com ... but who could have guessed Imperial uselessness would escalate to such insane levels that ISDs don't even bother to deploy when attacked?
movies tend to inadvertantly make fun of themselves where they struggle and R1 is no exception ... twice in the movie, the primary antagonist expresses anger and disbelief at the incompetence of everyone around him - I found myself doing the same while watching - and the problem with rationalizing this as a systemic organizational problem is, that lets the air out of the tires as far as danger/tension is concerned: the Rebels are never really in that much trouble (unless they are scheduled to die by the screenwriter/storyboarder)
... which is R1 in a nutshell ...
pity the Empire can't just use more of the K-series droids considering K-2SO held off a whole platoon of stormtroopers singlehandedly ... of course Jyn casually "one-shotted" the same model droid in an earlier scene so ... whatever I guess?
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in the next movie we are going to find all imperial issue blaster sights are made by some crosseyed species to retcon justify their woeful accuracy.
The Magoonians
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(https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/34/d0/10/34d010a08440fd32d215f6b8ea93ec75.jpg)
I bet in the remake they cut to some f'ing mass discharge of CIG spfx showing you every single one of those images in 10809P detail. >:( No one in the audience is trusted enough by hollywood to be allowed to use their own imagination these days.
Possibly not, since Hauer supposedly improvised the speech. (In fact, he wrote it in advance, editing down a considerably longer soliloquy contained in the original script). But I guess the makers of the remake may be able to negotiate with Rutger for the right to use the lines...
He doesn't half look like Anthony Hopkins in that picture though...
As far as Rogue One goes, some of the forensic dissection going on here really is unbelievable...
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If it was not for it being 'star wars' I believe R1 would use be an another forgettable, made some cash but not loads sci-fi movie. The 'you know the ending or the mission' does not help it either. Star wars fans love it as expected, and it's made a load of money, but as a stand alone movie its ok but not great.
Funny how the recent Mavel/super hero movies so far have been able inject tension and fun into a known ending (you know the heroes are going to win in those movies) for me while the last two Star Wars movies have not.
I guess I'll stick to super hero movies. Guardians of the Galaxy Vol 2 is out this summer and hopefully lives up the the first, which really blows all the recent star wars movies into dust IMO.
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I could name you a number of "super hero movies" that have been worse in recent years.
Batman Vs Superman for starters. Then throw in the last X-Men First Class movie, at least two of the Spiderman movies . . . . . .
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@mellis1644 - yes R1 is coasting tremendously on the SW brand but if you were to take out all the fan-fictiony references there wouldn't be much left
I also agree the forgone conclusion of the plot was no serious challenge - no one watches ANH thinking they won't blow up the Death Star! or that Luke won't succeed and survive ... the problem with R1 is more that Disney's priority was hitting hard on the references at the expense of the fundamentals, even more so than with Epsiode VII
in the next movie we are going to find all imperial issue blaster sights are made by some crosseyed species to retcon justify their woeful accuracy.
I kid you not, I have already seen clickbait explaining that Donnie Yen was using the Force to throw off the Death Troopers' aim when he slowly walked to the switch ... which of course means we have to ask, then why did he stop? or did the Force the turn on him? she is a harsh mistress ...
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I just enjoyed it as a bit of fun entertainment for a few hours that felt like the 'Star Wars' universe felt when I was a kid.
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I kid you not, I have already seen clickbait explaining that Donnie Yen was using the Force to throw off the Death Troopers' aim when he slowly walked to the switch...
We've got to expect at least some silly cliche, right? And why not? It is a sci-fi adventure movie, after all.
I just enjoyed it as a bit of fun entertainment for a few hours that felt like the 'Star Wars' universe felt when I was a kid.
Exactly!
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"It's just a [insert dismissive category], don't think about it too much" is not a good review. But I agree with you guys, it does apply to R1.
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I just enjoyed it as a bit of fun entertainment for a few hours that felt like the 'Star Wars' universe felt when I was a kid.
My feelings exactly.
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I just enjoyed it as a bit of fun entertainment for a few hours that felt like the 'Star Wars' universe felt when I was a kid.
QFT
It's just that I like to kill my darlings and also take apart my favorite toys to see how they work. But no degree of dissection can diminish my enjoyment of the movie(s). What can I say? I'm a Star Wars nut and I just love the universe.
And search your feelings; you know it's true that the original trilogy is far from perfect too, no matter how deified our childhood memories have become... ;)
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I just enjoyed it as a bit of fun entertainment for a few hours that felt like the 'Star Wars' universe felt when I was a kid.
Yeah!!!
Star Wars!!!!
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We've been laughing at inept Stormtroopers since 1977.
That's nothing new.
It's the same with Lord of the Rings. I never could see why they were all so worried about orcs. Sure, the orcs could knock around a few unarmed peasants, but every time they came up against organised resistance they lost. If that's the best Sauron could come up with then...no wonder the twat lost. I just don't see what they were all worried about.
The best I can find to say about Sauron is that he was damn good at logistics - he managed to billet, equip, and feed all those orcs within the borders of Mordor. But other than that...nope. He and his orcs were beaten all the time.
Indeed, his forces were vast, yet he managed to keep them all together, fed, watered and disciplined. Say what you will about Sauron, he was a good logistician. But Orcs on the whole were a bit of a paper tiger. All that heavy armour and they would just get smacked around by light infantry swinging the straight edge of a sword against them. Cavalry could just ride right over them and arrows would always get them in just the right spot. They were arrow sponges. Anyone would think that bad guys in movies are just set dressing for the heroes to wade through and look, well, heroic. ;)
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Yes - the orcs were definitely a paper tiger. That's an important part of the theme of LotR. Sauron's troops were of extremely poor quality, compared to the warriors of the Free Peoples. But there were tremendous numbers of them and the Free Peoples were disunified and demoralized. The armies of Sauron looked overwhelmingly powerful, regardless of their actual capacity, because his strategy hinged on the courage of men failing in the face of apparently hopeless odds. The whole book is about finding the hope and courage to resist anyway, which was nicely captured by Jackson's movies. Part of that success was making the orcs - and especially the uruk hai - seem fearsome, even considering the audience never doubted that the heroes would come through and win the day.
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I thought the stormtroopers fought reasonably well in Rogue One. They had a decent fight against that ambush on Jedda and they gave as good as they got in the final fight. All those rebels got shot or blown up. Looked reasonably even to me.
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I thought the stormtroopers fought reasonably well in Rogue One. They had a decent fight against that ambush on Jedda and they gave as good as they got in the final fight. All those rebels got shot or blown up. Looked reasonably even to me.
They walked headlong into that ambush/chokepoint on Jedha.
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And what was with that tank that could only fire on vertical axis?
I think the inspiration for that tank comes from the flat bed version of Alvis Stormer. So it was meant not to be a main battle tank, just an armed cargo hauler.
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When Cassian kills the informant at the beginning, I was really impressed: that scene says "this film is going to tackle some tough realities about war and rebellion."
I think he was killed for overly hammy acting.
Good film, not enough to make up for axing Clone wars or putting out Starwars rebels and the force awakens but at least Disney have done something good with their purchase now. How future films are as good.
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I think the inspiration for that tank comes from the flat bed version of Alvis Stormer. So it was meant not to be a main battle tank, just an armed cargo hauler.
A grav tank that could strafe in directions other than the one it is facing might not need horizontal traverse on its guns.
And Lego calls it an Imperial Assault Hovertank
(https://www.gogol.ru/upload/iblock/25f/25fb4c207ab8b86f9cd6905a3657c403.jpg)
That the prop has tracks is clearly just a production oversight :-)
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A very late first watching yesterday night with the wife.
I loved it!
The Rebels and other cameos in particular, K2SO, the U-Wing gunner, the first appearance of the AT-ATs, the AT-ST (one of my favourites), the transport and the Hammerhead Corvette - hope they make these for X-Wing.
I missed seeing Chopper and the Ghost, so I'll have to see it again of course.
It was darker than I expected - I always felt it had a Seven Samurai feel (no prizes for guessing why!) to it and expected many of the characters to die, but not all of Rogue 1.
The greater callousness of the rebels and the disagreement on Yavin eliminated what I felt was a slight degree of blandness to the rebels' character in previous films. And one scene I found particularly dark was K2SO digging into the memory of a twin robot nonchalantly.
The aesthetics - it looked like the 70s tuned up - the hairstyles and moustaches were spot on!
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A very late first watching yesterday night with the wife.
I loved it!
Pfft, wife and I only managed it today. I loved it too (she thought it was a little long, but a great ending). And the cameos were hilarious (Fares Fares!).
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Here is an interesting video which speculates about the original script for Rogue One
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGzCGRKEPKQ (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGzCGRKEPKQ)