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Other Stuff => The Lead Painters' League => Season 11 => Topic started by: Captain Blood on February 13, 2017, 08:38:18 PM
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This thread is for general discussion on the LPL11
Questions about any aspect of the rules should be posted in the LPL11 rules thread here: http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=97891.0
First thing to note is that you have more than a month before entries open on 17th March, and more than six weeks before the final deadline for entries on 31st March.
Hopefully that will be long enough for participants to paint and photograph 15 miniatures to comprise the required three initial teams :)
I (Captain Blood) will be running the league this time - receiving entries, setting up the matches and dealing with questions and enquiries as far as possible.
Admiral Benbow will be managing the draw and the leaderboard.
And The Prof will pop in to answer questions from time to time too :)
During the competition itself, we ask you to be considerate and constructive with your comments on the running entries. Feel free to voice your opinion about entries, but DON'T post any comments with any sort of "quality comparison" of the pictures for example:
- 'Entry A is great but I have to vote for entry B, because it's so much better'.
- 'Well entry A is so manifestly superior to entry B, that I cannot understand why so many people are voting for entry B'.
- 'Entry A is running for the third time, so I give my vote to the Entry B, just because it's new and I'm bored with the other one'.
Any comments of this or similar sort will be deleted/censored without warning.
Also please note, there's no such thing as a 'both' button. Never has been - never will be ;)
And now get painting. Good luck to everyone!
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Oh my - already?
I still haven't submitted the Build Something Photo! lol
Huzzah. I'm going to try to get on board this year, even if the special rounds are problematic for me!
Thanks for keeping us entertained (and busy too!), Captain.
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Well you've got until this weekend to get your BSC entry in, and then a whole 4-6 weeks for the LPL ;)
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Well you've got until this weekend to get your BSC entry in, and then a whole 4-6 weeks for the LPL ;)
I know, not complaining :D
I need stuff like the BSC and LPL to get me painting anyway.
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I really like the Bonus round themes, well executed. I think I will try to defend my last years 5th Place.
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I have a hoarding problem. How can I tell? I won't need to buy anything for this LPL and in the bonus rounds I even have multiple possible entries.
I guess that's a good thing...
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Huzzah! Point your brushes and wet your paint!
One question though about round 10:
I wonder if it would be possible to display a band of random wandering monsters (mixed creatures of different species) with one of them being at least double their size e.g. Squigs, Goblins, Orks, Wraiths and Skeletons plus a Troll for the big one?
Or does the group have to be composed of one sort of species e.g. animals like 5 wolves plus a bear?
Would 5 pirates and a giant sea monster be fine (as long as it is on their side)?
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I wonder if it would be possible to display a band of random wandering monsters (mixed creatures of different species) with one of them being at least double their size e.g. Squigs, Goblins, Orks, Wraiths and Skeletons plus a Troll for the big one?
Or does the group have to be composed of one sort of species e.g. animals like 5 wolves plus a bear?
Would 5 pirates and a giant sea monster be fine (as long as it is on their side)?
Michi, the operative word is Brothers :) So they need to be from the same kind/species/family. Humans with a human-looking Ogre or Giant would be fine. Humans with a Kraken not. Wolves with a bear wouldn't work as well. Also no luck for Goblins with Skeletons, I'm afraid :D
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Michi, the operative word is Brothers :) So they need to be from the same kind/species/family. Humans with a human-looking Ogre or Giant would be fine. Humans with a Kraken not. Wolves with a bear wouldn't work as well. Also no luck for Goblins with Skeletons, I'm afraid :D
Alright, thank you for the clarification, Alex. I have to plan ahead now... :D
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I've got a wee question: if I've shown a WIP on my blog, like this for example:
https://bladesandblasters.com/2017/02/06/15mm-pulp-sci-fi-preview/
Could I enter the finished team if I haven't shown any other images? I'm not actually thinking if that particular set, but it's a good example.
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I've got a wee question: if I've shown a WIP on my blog, like this for example:
https://bladesandblasters.com/2017/02/06/15mm-pulp-sci-fi-preview/
Could I enter the finished team if I haven't shown any other images? I'm not actually thinking if that particular set, but it's a good example.
I'm seeing a completely painted figure there, that means this one wouldn't count anymore as he has been "shown". You still can use him in your LPL entries but he wouldn't count as newly-painted-never-shown-on-internet. Furthermore I'm seeing four unpainted miniatures there. They would be fine. Showing unpainted or primed WIP shots of the models is no problem at all. Thus we have five figures there, a proper LPL team. But you wouldn't receive any newly-painted-bonus points for this particular team. Though you could paint a sixth miniature and in this way you would provide five never-shown painted miniatures and thus qualify for 10 bonus points.
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Excellent - cheers. Good to clarify. Just realised I should have posted this in he other thread - could a mod kindly move it? Seems like something others might want to know.
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Also please note, there's no such thing as a 'both' button. Never has been - never will be ;)
And now get painting. Good luck to everyone!
Please? Come on, you KNOW it is necessary sometimes, for crying out loud!
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Questions on 'theme bonus qualification' in the rules thread please :)
(Calimero, I've moved yours to there... )
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Last LPL I managed was LPL7, I think, which is way too long ago! I'm going to do my best to get in on this round, although I've hardly painted anything since November...
My Build Something entry should be done on time, then I'll consider my LPL options!
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How cruel to follow up the Build Something Contest so closely! lol lol
I'd hate to miss it. I guess it just means I won't be posting photos of things I'm painting for awhile, now. I will TRY to enter this one. I know I have an incredibly busy schedule coming up, including a spring break in Argentina (I know...don't cry for me... lol).
That said, I did just receive a shipment of a bunch of 28mm gladiators...and I do have that last batch of Flint & Feather figures (trust me, I have the tribesmen thing covered... lol), and I have been wanting to paint up some more of the Splintered Light Miniatures animals...
Mike Demana
www.firstcommandwargames.com
http://leadlegionaries.blogspot.com/
(http://i721.photobucket.com/albums/ww213/mikedemana/Miscellaneous/LPL_bades_zpsl7op2jaz.jpg)
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including a spring break in Argentina (I know...don't cry for me... lol).
lol
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Tempting :D
cheers
James
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You lot are a bad influence.
Looked at the bonus rounds yesterday and thought I may not enter again this year (especially after my first foray into it last year met with some very severe defeats :D) - so why is it I find myself just having ordered a bunch of stuff to paint for this year's LPL? lol
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This year, I am determined to participate. I have loads of half painted minis to finish off lol
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I've seen these before and have always been curious, and will give it a go this year.
Does it fill up quickly? The idea of getting up at 3am to enter my things at the exact opening time does not look appealing!
Cheers
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Reasonably quickly-ish, but not unreasonably so.
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Last year there were only 34 out of 50 people entering, so I wouldn't be surprised if we don't make it to 50 again this year. But you don't want to be the last one to enter when there's an odd number of opponents, so I wouldn't leave it till the last minute, but you definetly don't need to rush to enter as soon as it opens ;)
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Although there are no guarantees!
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In typical fashion, I have found in the lead pile all the models for my 2017 LPL - barring the week 1 tribe, who are missing in action! >:(
Back to digging....
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I think I'll enter this for the first time.
Do i need to enter a new team for every round?
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I think I'll enter this for the first time.
Do i need to enter a new team for every round?
You don't have to, but if you want to maximise points and league position, you should.
Plus, rightly or wrongly, people tend to get bored of repeat entries very quickly, and they tend to get voted down - even if they're better painted than a 'new' team they come up against...
You need to enter with three teams to participate in the first three rounds. After that, it's up to you if you enter more new teams for each ensuing round, or roll forward one of your original teams.
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Great. Righting up a list of the stuff i plan to paint :)
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In this terrible silence I can hear a hundred paintbrushes soaking up colour and flattering models of all shapes and scales.
My progress is a bit erratic. As usual I crated a spreadsheet which I populated with my intended entries. The sailors gave me a spot of grief until I remembered a tiny stash hidden away somewhere, although I had a tense moment when I thought I had just 4! Luckily I was wrong.
The tribe - I was certain I'd give this theme a miss until I realised that the stuff I could enter was staring at me right in the face. I have to thank my wife for these models.
The 'Big Brother' + 5. This was the one I had no qualms about, and then ended up wasting oodles of time on. It's easier when you have no choice! I dug up and starting working on no less than 5 different choices! I finally decided on something related to a project I'd started months back, after rejecting the other hopefuls. One of the sets is still appearing in a non-bonus round, however.
As of last night I had all 52 (10 x 5; the big brother; and one extra model I couldn't leave out) on the painting table, which looked impressive, except that I had no space left thanks to the BSC entry (it's still not found a home in storage!) and a post-LPL project. No major incidents, other than almost skewering myself on a horrendously pointy spear (seriously, it's vicious, needs a health warning and safety gear) and spilling a fine layer of superglue on the floor tiles....help!
One of the sailors got off his base this morning, but he's back on now. Everybody's assembled, but I need to get some basework done before spraying. And of course the weather's rubbish for spraying today....
....(later) I managed to do the spraying when the wind died. First time I sprayed stuff almost in the dark, with flashes of lightning and rumbling thunder.... but they're done now, and safe indoors too :D
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How cruel to follow up the Build Something Contest so closely! lol lol
I'd hate to miss it. I guess it just means I won't be posting photos of things I'm painting for awhile, now. I will TRY to enter this one. I know I have an incredibly busy schedule coming up, including a spring break in Argentina (I know...don't cry for me... lol).
That said, I did just receive a shipment of a bunch of 28mm gladiators...and I do have that last batch of Flint & Feather figures (trust me, I have the tribesmen thing covered... lol), and I have been wanting to paint up some more of the Splintered Light Miniatures animals...
Mike, I sincerely hope you make it in this year! I think I'm going to join this time around, and I might even post all new and original stuff as well! And yes, same as you, it's partly because I haven't posted anything new on my site for some time :)
Thanks for inspiring me back in 2013!
n
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I'll make the effort this year as well. I need to chip away at the unpainted pile. Hopefully improve on my painting and photography skills.
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I thought I was out of luck for the Tribes and Ship's Crew bonus rounds but realized that deep in the depths of my lead mountain I had figures for both, conveniently in groups of five already!
Even better, I started painting both sets years ago, got as far as basecoats only, then put them away for reasons I have long forgotten... but now they count as a head start on those two rounds!
The Big Brother/Little Brother round I can do from another previously-started project, and I need to sit down and do some proper organizing but I think I can do all ten rounds from in-progress current projects or stuff from the lead mountain that's already cleaned, based and primed.
Onward!
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I would really like to join in again this year, but don't yet know if I can bring it up. The mojo was pretty low for a while due to busy rl. It now slowly returns and I don't want to stifle it with too much painting under the pressure that a LPL normally is for me.
I'll try to paint a few rounds worth of miniatures and see how it feels before deciding. Anyhow I'll follow the entries with a lot joy as always and am anxious to see what pops up this year. Somehow I expect to some conan miniatures ;D
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Mike, I sincerely hope you make it in this year! I think I'm going to join this time around, and I might even post all new and original stuff as well!
Really, Joe? That's awesome!!! I look forward to your entries...
Mike Demana
www.firstcommandwargames.com
http://leadlegionaries.blogspot.com/
(http://i721.photobucket.com/albums/ww213/mikedemana/Miscellaneous/LPL_bades_zpsl7op2jaz.jpg)
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Desperately trying to finish my first three rounds - work has me away for two weeks from Sunday, that's two weeks of lost prep time! (I've never mastered the art of the travelling painting kit...)
Do you think if I explained I needed to paint for the LPL and that was far more important then they'd find someone else to go? lol
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Definitely. Try it. What could possibly go wrong? lol
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Progress is slow for me this past week... I've been toiling over the Perry Miniature's Bastard of Orleans miniature the entire time... The shirt thing is just frustratingly detailed, and to be (sadly) honest, not very cleanly executed. It makes if very difficult to paint well! I'm just now finishing up the details though, so hopefully I'll be back on schedule shortly! :)
Looking forward to seeing all the entries!! :)
Thanks
n
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Really, Joe? That's awesome!!! I look forward to your entries...
I have six entries complete already!!! :) My goal is to out do my previous performance, some of which were not nearly where I wanted them to be.
Hope you can fit it into your schedule!
thanks
n
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Well, it looks like I'm out this year :( Although I have figures for all rounds and have them sorted into groups ready to go, it looks like I'd struggle to get in 3 rounds in time for entry closing. After that I'm due to get even busier with loads of extra reports and paperwork, as well as extra shifts at work and family and an allotment to sort out.
I will make sure to check in every Sunday morning to vote though.
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Oh, sorry to hear that.
But yes, as we all know, it's quite a big commitment. I was touch and go myself to be honest, but have now got enough teams done and in the bag to give me the confidence that I can get through it!
Just to remind all would-be participants: entries open a week today, on Friday 17th March.
I think it's highly unlikely that all 50 slots will fill up straightaway - we haven't even managed to get 50 participants n the last couple of LPLs - but you never know.
So if you want to be sure of a place, then get your first three teams in as soon as you can from next Friday :)
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I have six entries complete already!!!
Dude, if you have six entries complete YOU - ARE - IN!
I don't even have my second entry done yet... lol
What's more, I leave Friday for a week-plus spring break to Argentina (don't cry for me...).
If I get the third entry done in time, I'm in. I just won't guarantee they'll all be new entries. I may have to forego the new team bonus to make this one work. But if Joe's in, I'm in. He's my hero. Him and Dr. Matthias... lol
Mike Demana
www.firstcommandwargames.com
http://leadlegionaries.blogspot.com/
(http://i721.photobucket.com/albums/ww213/mikedemana/Miscellaneous/LPL_bades_zpsl7op2jaz.jpg)
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I have managed to finish three entries now and will be joining!
That's a first for me. I am on the 'in it to complete it ' and not the 'in it to win it' though. That race starts months before the actual league I think. lol
I will be painting as we go along... perfect recipe for failure! ;D
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I will be painting as we go along... perfect recipe for failure! ;D
That's the only way to do it ;)
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I have managed to finish three entries now and will be joining!
Yay!
I will be looking closely for great metalwork... Nothing too shiny ;)
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Previously I've done the paint-as-you-go thing.
This year thanks to a burst of painting inspiration I should have all ten rounds done before the end of March and might actually get everything done, photographed, and submitted to our hard-working organisers all at once!
Rounds 1 through 6 and 10 are basically done except for touchup and photography, 7 through 9 are underway and ticking along nicely.
There are a lot of figures on my painting desk but actual progress is being made on pretty much all of them!
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My lot are all assembled and undercoated, and the first 3 rounds are done - but are still to be photographed.
It's going to be tight this year...
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Yay!
I will be looking closely for great metalwork... Nothing too shiny ;)
Forgive and forget as they say old sport. ;) lol
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Just to remind you, the lists open at 19.00 GMT tomorrow!
I will start and update a list of who's in the game, as the entries materialise over the next two weeks :)
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Gah. Hate to admit it but I'm out. Have to catch up on work after a month of illness and injury. Very much looking forward to this year's entries though.
Good luck, everyone.
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Do you normally send a confirmation after you've reviewed submissions?
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Yes.
I've got yours - although the pictures are too big, and you haven't followed the requested format for the naming of each image! lol
Fear not. I will sort them out, so you don't need to resend them, but for the other 7 rounds, if you could possibly try to supply as below, that would be appreciated. Thank you :)
5. Team Photographs
The maximum image dimensions are 1000 pixels wide by 1000 pixels high. The maximum file size is 1Mb (due to technical limitations and to reduce load time for slower internet connections).
7. Submitting Photographs
When submitting photographs, the following details must be supplied in the text body of the e-mail:
• Team Name: to a maximum length of 30 characters (including additional information such as "decals used" or "xx mm scale").
• Member Name: even if it is for the last round of the league, always remember to add your forum username to ease administration and avoid mix-ups.
• Declare if the team is new – i.e. previously unpublished (see 3. above).
To help us with administration, please also put your user name, team name and intended round in the mail header (e.g. "SamSamplename Crusader_Cavalry Round 2" and, if possible, in the file name (e.g. "SamSamplename_crusader_cavalry_rd2.jpg"). This is useful for keeping track, especially for a larger number of participants.
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Yes.
I've got yours - although the pictures are too big, and you haven't followed the requested format for the naming of each image! lol
Fear not. I will sort them out, so you don't need to resend them, but for the other 7 rounds, if you could possibly try to supply as below, that would be appreciated. Thank you :)
Oh darn... I was too focused on sending them at exactly 1900 hours and forgot abut all the other details! o_o
I will make amends with the next submissions lol
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Oh darn... I was too focused on sending them at exactly 1900 hours and forgot abut all the other details! o_o
So was I! ::)
Please excuse and accept my apologies for not mentioning the NEWLY PAINTED AND NEVER BEEN SHOWN ANYWHERE ELSE BEFORE clause...
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Okay Michael, thank you :)
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Okay Michael, thank you :)
I also solemnly swear that my miniatures are fresh off the pipeline...
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Great :)
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Sent mine, huzzah (and so on and so forth). Come to the conclusion that my photography skills have not improved anymuch on last year but heyho, we'll see :D
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On the above - just to check. Does that mean that if, for example, I don't manage to finish something in time for round 4 I would pick which of my 3 previous entires I wanted to enter and email it again with above format? I'll be fine for round 4, but good to know for later rounds. First 3 inbound tonight.
Cheers
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On the above - just to check. Does that mean that if, for example, I don't manage to finish something in time for round 4 I would pick which of my 3 previous entires I wanted to enter and email it again with above format? I'll be fine for round 4, but good to know for later rounds. First 3 inbound tonight.
Cheers
Yes, that's right. If you don't manage to complete a new team for a particular round, you can nominate which of your previous teams to run again.
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Danke kindly.
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Submitted at last.
Better get cracking on the remaining 7 rounds...
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bloody hell - I think I've managed it! Entries should be sat in your inbox. Getting entires together is enough of a win for me!
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Entries submitted! Woot!
But man, do I suck at photography...
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On the above - just to check. Does that mean that if, for example, I don't manage to finish something in time for round 4 I would pick which of my 3 previous entires I wanted to enter and email it again with above format? I'll be fine for round 4, but good to know for later rounds. First 3 inbound tonight.
Cheers
Not sure if this is helpful, but in the past I've actually taken new pictures of miniatures that I've posted on the web, but not used in Lead Adventure. It might help you do a bit better; I find that people won't be as likely to vote for a picture that they've actually seen before in a previous round. However, if the image is new to the League event, then it won't be so bad. You still won't get the 'new' figures bonus, but you will at least be presenting some fresh new pictures!
Thanks
n
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I was sick all weekend, and miss a day at work yesterday. I wanted to take pictures of my first 3 rounds but haven’t had the time nor energy to do so… I should (sure hope so) get better this week and, hopefully, be able to send my entries before the deadline.
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Rounds One, Two, and Three photographed this morning, edited, and sent in!
Thankfully I have a somewhat flexible job that's OK with me coming in a bit later and being vague about an "errand" that had to be done this morning before work! ;)
Rounds Four, Five, Six, and Ten are all painted and finished, but I've run out of time to photograph them before we leave for a week holiday this coming Saturday. Rounds Seven, Eight, and Nine are variously in progress...
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I just realised that I have misunderstood the rules... looking at last year's winners it is quite obvious, but I actually thought we were meant to use a plain background and not an elaborate display of stuff.
I will certainly improve my set ups for the rounds 5-10 then. lol
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Don't have to have a background. I did win a couple of rounds last year using a plain background so it can be done - but having said that I think on balance the set up certainly influences the vote in a lot of cases.
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I just realised that I have misunderstood the rules... looking at last year's winners it is quite obvious, but I actually thought we were meant to use a plain background and not an elaborate display of stuff.
I will certainly improve my set ups for the rounds 5-10 then. lol
If you want to re photograph rounds 1 - 4 and send new versions with different backdrops, that's fine...
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Do we have to wait to send in weeks 4 through 10? Or can I send them all in as soon as they are done?
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Only 13 in so far...?
Is there usually a surge closer to the deadline? I know there were 30 (?) last year, but how about previous years, is this usual?
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Yes, it's looking a bit light. Not sure why. A few years ago, we had 74 participants.
Bit of a shame that with six and a half thousand members, we can't find more than a handful willing to paint 50 or so wargames figures... ::)
Then again, all those who have taken part before - probably a couple of hundred different people - will understand that it's kinda hard work... Still, you know what they say: no pain, no gain ;)
We've still got a few days left. I'm sure we'll see some more entries before next weekend.
(Otherwise, it'll just be a small but perfectly formed tournament this time...)
Do we have to wait to send in weeks 4 through 10? Or can I send them all in as soon as they are done?
You can send them in whenever you like :)
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Got one more mini to finish for round 3, hoping to finish painting tomorrow and take some photos, then I'll start worrying about the other 7 rounds ;D
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All being well first 3 entries in - let the fun begin
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I guess there will be some more participants. I for example have all my first round entries ready but had no opportunity to take decent pics yet.
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I'm in! I managed to make some decent pics too. My new phone is better than my old camera!
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I'm going to toss my "hat" into the ring.... I love the LPL but it normally just does not fit into my painting schedule. Last one I tried was I think LPL4? It will certainly get me to finish a few figures sets that have laid dormant for far to long.... the last round has me thinking....Big brother, Little brother....Hmmm? o_o
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Good to see you back Bill :)
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I finally made it, I am in.
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Tonight will decide whether I make it or not. The last 4 weeks have been the busiest of my year, so far. It is slowing down a bit, but not by much. If I get these figs that I finished painting earlier tonight based up tonight, to be photographed tomorrow, then I'll make it in. And with the bare minimum 3 rounds of new stuff... lol
This does not bode well... :o
Mike Demana
www.firstcommandwargames.com
http://leadlegionaries.blogspot.com/
(http://i721.photobucket.com/albums/ww213/mikedemana/Miscellaneous/LPL_bades_zpsl7op2jaz.jpg)
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This tournament motivated me to get some models finished... but not enough to make the first three entries. So I will be watching the tournament with interest from the sidelines again this year.
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Tonight will decide whether I make it or not. The last 4 weeks have been the busiest of my year, so far. It is slowing down a bit, but not by much. If I get these figs that I finished painting earlier tonight based up tonight, to be photographed tomorrow, then I'll make it in. And with the bare minimum 3 rounds of new stuff... lol
This does not bode well... :o
Mike Demana
www.firstcommandwargames.com
http://leadlegionaries.blogspot.com/
(http://i721.photobucket.com/albums/ww213/mikedemana/Miscellaneous/LPL_bades_zpsl7op2jaz.jpg)
Haha, I'm sure you'll do extremely well! :) GLad to hear you're well on your way!
thanks
n
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Aaarh goddammnit! I am trying to refotograph my miniatures in more "pleasing" surroundings but it is a fickle thing to do! lol
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I finally made it, I am in.
Good to hear! Me too ... :D
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So we are up to 23 gallant participants, with one day left until the lists close. I can accept entries until Midnight, 00.00 GMT tomorrow, Friday 1 April.
Clearly we need at least one more participant to make an even number...
Three more would be nice.
Or five.
Or, you know, seven... :D
The first round of matches will play out on Sunday!
:)
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Photos submitted, and I'm in. Whew! ;D
Well, that is, as long as I'm not "odd man" out... lol
Looking forward to seeing everyone's entries -- good luck, one and all!
Mike Demana
www.firstcommandwargames.com
http://leadlegionaries.blogspot.com/
(http://i721.photobucket.com/albums/ww213/mikedemana/Miscellaneous/LPL_bades_zpsl7op2jaz.jpg)
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After a few leagues worth of looking longingly in the window, I'm finally getting my act together, and my first three rounds have been submitted. Looking forward to stressing about something other than just work for a few weeks ;D
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Thanks. Received.
There's been a late rush and we're now up to a very respectable 31 participants.
It's now 8.51 BST (7.51 GMT), you've got until 23.00 GMT to send in your entries.
Please don't worry about there being an odd number of participants.
If this proves to be the case by the end of today, we will make up the numbers with a 'Wild Card' entry each week, randomly drawn from the LPLs 1 - 10 archive.
(Obviously excluding any entries by this season's participants, to avoid the crushing indignity of being beaten by your own entry from years ago! ;))
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(Obviously excluding any entries by this season's participants, to avoid the crushing indignity of being beaten by your own entry from years ago! Wink)
No, please allow for that possibility, it'd be too funny for words - going against my slightly younger self would give me a chance to win a round anyway. :D
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That was close for me. But finally sent my entries, should be an even number for now :)
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I have given my self leave from this year's LPL. Feeling quite unburdened by it, really. :)
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I have given my self leave from this year's LPL. Feeling quite unburdened by it, really. :)
A pity, Peder, but I understand exactly how you feel :)
It is a pleasure and a pain ;)
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A pity, Peder, but I understand exactly how you feel :)
It is a pleasure and a pain ;)
I had a pretty fun lineup, I feel, but, you know, getting everything finished and just so required more time than I think I can manage.
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I just emailed my Round 1 to 3 teams. This is my first time participating, really looking forward to it. Thank you Captain Blood for organizing this.
James
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I had a pretty fun lineup, I feel, but, you know, getting everything finished and just so required more time than I feel I can manage.
I know what you mean about taking off. Last year was a nice break.
I was on the fence about this year too, honestly. I know I won't have the time to do some of the lineups I have been planning to the level I want, but I do have several other minor collections of things that have been sitting in stasis too long. My goal this year is to honor the intent of the league and get to some things that have languished unpainted.
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Wow, didn't see so many more entries coming, this is great!
I mean, I was still going to end up somewhere near the bottom however many entries there were, but good to see the number has shot up. Definitely got me finishing off figures for various projects which have been standing idle for ages :)
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Good to see the number of entrants increasing. :)
I'm not posting much about the LPL...because I'm busy painting stuff. Aiming for a random mix of figures/genres. At least one entry - if I get it finished - will be something I don't usually paint.
Seeing the lineup so far, should be fun.
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Heh, I'm faithfully following my traditional workflow, that is, promising myself in June that next year I'll start preparing well in advance, but in reality only finding the time when inspired by looming deadlines. lol This year it was maybe even worse than before, thanks to three weeks abroad and extra weeks dedicated to travel preparation and backlog-clearing. Nothing done whatsoever until early March. As a bonus, I'm still trying to find all the hobby stuff I packed away in last autumn's house move. Two weeks ago I was still trying to find basing sand, of all things. Each paint bottle is a lottery ticket. On Thursday, while frantically finalising the entries, I managed to lose the 4 x 6 terrain mat I'm using for photos. Don't ask how. :-I
The photos were finally ready well after midnight. Fortunately I didn't have to be very productive myself in the early Friday morning work meeting.
In hindsight, I could have finished the entries on Friday too, thanks to the deadline extension, but whatever. Now I just dedicated that evening to drinking beer with my feet on the painting table. :D
(But seriously. Next year I'll start preparing well in advance.)
So, good luck, all participants. And have fun, you slackers who only watch while drinking beer with your feet on the painting table. ;)
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So, good luck, all participants. And have fun, you slackers who only watch while drinking beer with your feet on the painting table. ;)
Exactly :)
The random draw of round one pairings has been made by Admiral Benbow, who is kindly running the leaderboard this season (because I am crap at spreadsheets)..
The pairings in future rounds will be automatically determined by standing of participants based on the results of preceding rounds, using the Swiss Pairing System.
Matches will be up tomorrow morning 8)
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Good to see so many contestants, good Luck to all. Although looking at the contestant list I do feel a bit underqualified, there's a Lt, a captain and an admiral, even a couple of doctors and a prof, and I think they all outrank me lol. But I'll give it my best shot and will try to represent the little guy :D
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there's a Lt, a captain and an admiral, even a couple of doctors and a prof, and I think they all outrank me lol. But I'll give it my best shot and will try to represent the little guy :D
Don´t under-estimate yourself´s value: You are a MISTER and a TOUGH GUY...what do I have to offer? :D
Good luck to all of you who dare to compete!!!
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...The random draw of round one pairings has been made by Admiral Benbow...
Idea for next year's LPL - I'm thinking ahead ::)
Instead of random draw for first round, just pair them up as they arrive. Would still be random, but less work for the organisers.
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Good luck, everyone!
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Now live!!!
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And as per tradition, some of the choices to be made are well nigh impossible!
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Done me votin' - now back to assembling and painting plastic Vikings...
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The part I find the hardest is when you go to vote, and you find you can't actually justify voting for your own picture over the opposition...
:?
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The part I find the hardest is when you go to vote, and you find you can't actually justify voting for your own picture over the opposition...
:?
I voted for my opposition more than once over the years :)
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I voted for my opposition more than once over the years :)
I always vote for my opponents due to good sportsmanship...
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Interesting concept. Most sports don't consider actively helping the opposition to win to be good sportsmanship. In cricket it is usually a one-way ticket to a lifetime ban, and in some cases a prison sentence. :)
But then again those Asian betting syndicates haven't got their claws into the LPL. Yet. Yeah, it isn't quite the same. lol
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But then again those Asian betting syndicates haven't got their claws into the LPL. Yet.
It's only a matter of time... lol
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I voted for my opposition more than once over the years :)
Oh, you silly, silly man!
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Wow. That is some high level painting we have here!
Very nice to get things started. I hope to finish my next team on a hotel stay wit has work. lol
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This looks like an another great LPL. Awesome works all around, with a lot of difficult chooses. :)
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WOW! yes there are some dam fine painters hanging around here! I unfortunately have not been following the LPL much over the last few years (life, work, mini painting, dogs, 2nd job as a secret agent for the Illuminati) and when I made the somewhat snap decision to enter put off taking pictures until a few days before the deadline. I did what I thought was a pretty good job with some of me recent work.....oh boy the bar has been raised around here!!! :o The pressure last night on the painting table was high! I was paired against the talented "Dr Mathias" in round one, "ouch! teacher may I have another!" glad that's over! :'( lol
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Interesting concept. Most sports don't consider actively helping the opposition to win to be good sportsmanship.
Surely the man means 'good' as in 'profitable'.
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As every year, I think that a few of the contestants really should be in a league of their own, the way they smash the opposition...
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Round 2 is now open for your votes :)
Please note that from this round (2) onwards, we'll be closing the voting at the end of the Friday following the start of the round in question.
This is to allow enough time on the Saturday to work out the standings and thus the match pairings for the subsequent round, and then to set up all the matches. (Without having to do all that first thing on a Sunday morning!)
So basically, voting on each round will now be open for 6 days instead of 7.
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Both of the Round starting emails I've had so far have been blank. Are they supposed to be? :D
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I'm sure they're not!
Are you on Hotmail? Apparently there's some kind of spam filter problem affecting LAF notifications to Hotmail accounts...
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Nope, Gmail, and both very definitely blank... this happened last year, but I can't remember how it got fixed.
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Odd.
I'm sure The Prof will check it out, but I think it's probably something to do with your email settings. Because I'm on Yahoo Mail and my LPL notification came through this morning absolutely fine.
:?
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Oh dear, I never got the notification for this 2nd round - should I worry?
And it's gmail too.
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I got round 1 announcement with an empty message body. Or viewed in raw mode, it contains
--SMF-d79eecc5893bbb97bdbf8ad830606515
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
--SMF-d79eecc5893bbb97bdbf8ad830606515--and nothing else.
Didn't receive round 2 mail at all.
Looks like some kind of SMF bug. I found a few results for related issues. Some of them concern normal posting, others e-mail. Suspected reasons include BBcode, unusual characters, and custom themes. This one (http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=172923.0) looks relevant (SMF 1.1.x, e-mail), but nothing conclusive is achieved there.
Sometimes the notifications get through just fine, for example the "one week left" mail on 24th. Could it be that some characters like ’ (acute) or – (en dash) combined with output encoding already manage to break it? Also, how do you produce the message? Copying from a fancier office software or directly from a browser window may introduce all sorts of garbage. Passing it through a plain text editor may get rid of that.
Just guessing here, though. :? Can you send test notifications to a limited group?
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Haven't read this whole thread, so apologies if it's been covered; can we expect an Excel spreadsheet Leaderboard? Or does this version of the LPL not include the Teutonic upgrade pack?
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Meanwhile my notification appeared, just 27 minutes ago (13:45 local time, UT + 1:00 + 1:00 summer time) - and it's blank.
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I got round 1 announcement with an empty message body. Or viewed in raw mode, it contains
--SMF-d79eecc5893bbb97bdbf8ad830606515
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit
--SMF-d79eecc5893bbb97bdbf8ad830606515--and nothing else.
Didn't receive round 2 mail at all.
Looks like some kind of SMF bug. I found a few results for related issues. Some of them concern normal posting, others e-mail. Suspected reasons include BBcode, unusual characters, and custom themes. This one (http://www.simplemachines.org/community/index.php?topic=172923.0) looks relevant (SMF 1.1.x, e-mail), but nothing conclusive is achieved there.
Sometimes the notifications get through just fine, for example the "one week left" mail on 24th. Could it be that some characters like ’ (acute) or – (en dash) combined with output encoding already manage to break it? Also, how do you produce the message? Copying from a fancier office software or directly from a browser window may introduce all sorts of garbage. Passing it through a plain text editor may get rid of that.
Just guessing here, though. :? Can you send test notifications to a limited group?
It takes some time (1-2 hours) to send all the notifications. Is it already arrived? Is it blank?
We had some empty notifications last year as well, no idea why, probably a bug in the software, there is definitely nothing fancy in the newsletter text, I paste it from Notepad.
We can makes some tests with a limited group, but probably later.
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Haven't read this whole thread, so apologies if it's been covered; can we expect an Excel spreadsheet Leaderboard? Or does this version of the LPL not include the Teutonic upgrade pack?
Yes you can expect a leaderboard in due course.
In the Admiral's capable Teutonic hands... :)
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First two rounds have been excellent. Thanks to all the competitors on some excellent painting.
Do I detect more 15mm entries this year? Is this a trend?
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Thanks - I see (now) that you covered that point in the first post of the thread... so thanks answering that question promptly. Also thanks to you, the Admirals and the Professor for co-running it this year - it's never easy. Will be interesting to see if the number of voters pick up due to a little more prompting of the LAF community. It's certainly a highlight of my wargaming year.
Finally, is it possible to get a "both" button for voting? :D
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I just got a Rd 2 notification and it is blank. Hope that helps.
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That was tough!, it gets harder and harder every year as the entrants are light years beyond anything I could do. This round was very good.
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I got a blank notification too, but realised what it was without the text.
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Email Notification:
Sometimes I don't receive one.
Sometimes I receive one, but it's blank.
Always, I do NOT care. :)
The new round will start every Sunday. I don't need any sort of email notification and if it helps with workload/tasks for Alex and other LPL organisers I'd prefer you don't send one. One less issue to worry about. ::)
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I love the LPL and the level of painting is up and up every year :-* but I'm beginning to think the judging should be against a plain background. I'll probably be shouted down on this but I think it would be a MUCH more level playing field for some to the contestants where it seems the difference in the voting is based on the scene and not the painting. I mean is it a painting contest or a terrain/setting contest? Some of the painters here may not have the terrain or the extra time to devote to the setting while their painting is clearly excellent.
Just my two cents.....
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It might make a more level playing field, but for my money it would be a much less interesting contest. The vignettes are what makes LPL such a fun experience for me. I really look forward to seeing what folks have come up with. If they were banned I think I would probably stop following it altogether. Sifting through 50 groups of five figures in a little neat row isn't very appealing at all. I want to see what people have imagined around them.
Besides, I really don't think that a poor, unskilled or rushed paint job is going to beat a top-drawer one just because it has been set in a little scene. It's more likely to be a tie-breaker between two closely-matched entries, and I think in that case the person who has put in more effort deserves the win.
Maybe I'm just being selfish because I love the vignettes, but that's how I feel. :)
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I've been schooled by plain background entries a few times. I would suggest that minis-only entries fight an uphill battle against the 'wow' effect of an overall scene- but on the flip side, using a setting can distract and in some cases the figures are further back in the picture plane and the detail is lost, so the 'team' suffers for it.
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I mean is it a painting contest or a terrain/setting contest?
Yes.
And a photography contest, you missed that element.
Please, no more restrictions on LPL entries. The "no multiple viewpoints/collage entries" rule is already aggravating enough and has taken a lot of the point away from the bump in image dimensions up to 1000x1000px from 800x800.
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Some of us mid-tier painters NEED the scene bonus... lol
Seriously, not to beat this topic to death, but I love, love, love the scenes each Sunday! I honestly would not really participate or watch if it was 5 figures on a black background or whatever. It simply would not be as interesting, IMO.
Mike Demana
www.firstcommandwargames.com
http://leadlegionaries.blogspot.com/
(http://i721.photobucket.com/albums/ww213/mikedemana/Miscellaneous/LPL_bades_zpsl7op2jaz.jpg)
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My notification mails were also both blank, without any content (just received the second, half an hour ago or so).
I do not use hotmail, but the largest Danish web-provider, YouSee (formerly TDC).
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I love the LPL and the level of painting is up and up every year :-* but I'm beginning to think the judging should be against a plain background.
Heh, this is probably one of the top five recurring topics. We even went through it this year too (http://leadadventureforum.com/index.php?topic=97891.msg1231703#msg1231703). :)
I mean is it a painting contest or a terrain/setting contest?
Well, I'm not an organiser but to me it's:
1) an incentive to get something built, painted and photographed,
2) an excuse to put together an interesting display and show it to people, and
3) a chance to ogle ~40 similar setups weekly.
Mainly 1), though. I guess there's a contest too, but I rank completing painting projects higher than internet points. If I took the points very seriously, I'd have to slave throughout the year instead of just finishing whatever feels about right in spring along other commitments.
Some of the painters here may not have the terrain or the extra time to devote to the setting while their painting is clearly excellent.
There's no denying that a fancy scene looks pretty, gets praise and scores points. It's also very true that if you don't already have suitable terrain, it can be next to impossible to squeeze in a new terrain project along the main entry, photo editing/submitting and whatnot. Some painters don't even want to buy terrain elements or have a pile of them in their closets if the only use would be LPL. Conversely, if you have even the basics for a couple of typical environments, the fancy scene may almost build itself. Entering without any or improvising with next to none is playing in hard mode.
And still, I'm one of those who really love how LPL offers a rare chance to give your team a background and a setting, both literally and figuratively. Even if your painting isn't exactly top notch, a few terrain pieces may turn the entry into a story, which people are happy to discuss and compliment, while the minis themselves might be a bit "meh" in a police lineup arrangement.
However, I personally prefer drawing the line to excessive use of extra minis. Between terrain pieces and a team it's still clear what the actual entry is, but if the team is blended among 50 old minis from your collection, it starts to become a contest of how many extras people have managed to amass over years. Pretty, yes, but already quite far from the core concept of "paint a team, take a photo of it".
And finally...over these years, I've managed to discover a million ways to shoot myself in the foot by putting too much effort and attention into terrain, while the focus should still be on the team itself. One day I'll write a longer post about these lessons learnt, but a good rule of thumb is "if even a slightest bit in doubt, keep it simple". :)
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Without wanting to think my painting skills are anywhere near up there with the best, I sometimes wonder (I say this in my "vast" experience of last year's LPL and the first two rounds of this years...) whether I lose in the photography/scenery stakes more than the actual painting.
That being said, I won a couple of rounds last year with plain backgrounds, and to be honest the LPL has got me to actually invest in more scenery - even basic stuff like trees etc - so I find myself in a position where at long last I actually have potential gaming setups. To which end the scenic element of the LPL has been rather good for me - and the scenic side in everyone else's is pretty inspiring, plus I pick up ideas and such like, so all in all I think it would be the less for having no backgrounds.
Having just one photo though is best, rather than insets and alternative views and so forth - that just rewards people who know more about cameras than which way to point it and what button to click! lol
I think on balance the setup of the LPL works out, and in the end it's just a bit of fun isn't it :D
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I see LPL as an all around miniature painting/staging/picture/community involvement competition. The better you paint, set up, and execute an image, the more votes you'll get.
What I really like about that is that it's pretty unique. CMON does painting almost exclusively, and so I'll go there if I want strictly a painting competition. I really love the unique style of this competition, because it's not just a painting competition, but an all around competition, and it's so inspiring. So, so inspiring.
I look forward to it every year for the scenes and the narrative that people create through their images.
Thanks
n
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Wow, hat off to all the replies! :-* It shows the class that LPF members have, as well as the respect for differing opinions! Many gave their take or opinion on my comment in a most civil and sensible way! Most other forums would have just turn straight away into a FLAME war. I do have to admit that even though I tend to favor the other side as a more even competition I must admit the I too enjoy the scenic aspect as well.... (I'm opening the Terrain Vault in the future!)
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Just a reminder that...
Please note that from this round (2) onwards, we'll be closing the voting at the end of the Friday following the start of the round in question.
This is to allow enough time on the Saturday to work out the standings and thus the match pairings for the subsequent round, and then to set up all the matches. (Without having to do all that first thing on a Sunday morning!)
So basically, voting on each round will now be open for 6 days instead of 7.
...so the voting will be closed tonight / first thing tomorrow, to allow us a day to reconcile the results and set up for Round 3.
So if you haven't voted yet, please go and do so in the next few hours... :)
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...so the voting will be closed tonight / first thing tomorrow, to allow us a day to reconcile the results and set up for Round 3.
From an administrative viewpoint, closing the voting on Friday will make a huge difference for the administrators of the league.
Seems a rather obvious and necessary change actually.
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Round 3 is now live for your voting delectation and delight :)
Participants, please remember you need to get your Round 4 entries in by the end of this coming Friday at the latest (so far, I've only received 10 Round 4 teams out of 38!)
If you don't submit a new team, your Round 3 team will roll forward to Round 4 (where it will probably lose, because - rightly or wrongly - the voting LAF public tend not to favour repeat entries... )
Also remember - voting on each round now closes last thing Friday night, ahead of the start of the next round on Sunday.
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Participants, please remember you need to get your Round 4 entries in by the end of this coming Friday at the latest (so far, I've only received 10 Round 4 teams out of 38!)
15. Timings, Registration and Deadlines
The first round of LPL11 will open for voting on Sunday 2nd April, 2017.
Entries to any round must be received by 12.00 GMT on the Friday before the next round opens on the Sunday.
Is the final deadline for submission 12.00 GMT or 2359 GMT Friday? Just in case, as I have limited time this coming week... :?
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Wow, hat off to all the replies! :-* It shows the class that LPF members have, as well as the respect for differing opinions! Many gave their take or opinion on my comment in a most civil and sensible way! Most other forums would have just turn straight away into a FLAME war.
Agreed, 100%!
Also, sometimes it is simply being creative with what you have -- even if it is not the right period of scenery. For example, my gladiator "arena" is simply French & Indian War stockades with sand pour on the ground in front of it. I don't have appropriate arena scenery, but you can "suggest" it with just some simple scenic bits. The figures get them thinking that way, and then you just need a couple things for their mind to complete the scene.
Great discussion, by the way!
Mike Demana
www.firstcommandwargames.com
http://leadlegionaries.blogspot.com/
(http://i721.photobucket.com/albums/ww213/mikedemana/Miscellaneous/LPL_bades_zpsl7op2jaz.jpg)
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15. Timings, Registration and Deadlines
The first round of LPL11 will open for voting on Sunday 2nd April, 2017.
Entries to any round must be received by 12.00 GMT on the Friday before the next round opens on the Sunday.
Is the final deadline for submission 12.00 GMT or 2359 GMT Friday? Just in case, as I have limited time this coming week... :?
Hi Paul :)
I won't prepare the matches until Saturday, so as long as you can let me have your entry by the end of Friday - or before I wake up on Saturday - that's fine.
I appreciate I put 12.00 Midday in the rules, but I'll amend those to 12 Midnight to give people a bit more leeway.
Earlier would obviously be better if possible, so I can load as many photos to the gallery in advance as possible.
Cheers
Richard
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Cheers Richard. I'm aiming for Thursday pm.....
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I did not get any notice for Level 3. :-[
I have checked my spam filters etc and if was not in that box either.
as far as the scenery question, I do like to see good presentation as well as excellent painting. I'm for background scenery.
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I did not get any notice for Level 3. :-[
I have checked my spam filters etc and if was not in that box either.
I'm afraid that owing to the recent problems with some ISP's evidently having blocked or voided LAF emails for various (entirely spurious) reasons, we've decided not to send further notifications for the time being.
But there is a big helpful banner right at the top of each and every page on the forum, reminding you to vote :)
All you have to do is remember to pop along every Sunday morning, UK time, (or during the ensuing week) and exercise your right to vote on the matches...
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Still short of a few round 4 entries... Gentle reminder to participants... 8)
Will close the current round of matches overnight or first thing tomorrow... And then be looking to set up everything for round 4 during Saturday.
Please remember that if you don't submit a new team, or advise which of your previous teams you would like to play again, your entry from the current round will simply roll forward.
:)
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Just sent off Rounds, 4, 5, and 6 by email!
Not entirely happy with my Round 5 photo, might try again this weekend. Or might not. We shall see.
Onward!
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Round 4 is now live... :)
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Nice choice on changing the colour from blue to red for the announcement. My eye picked it up staight away.
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Figures are done for rounds 5, 6 and 7 but I still need to work on the décor for round 5…
On another topic, I’m still trying to understand why the total numbers of voters vary so much from one match-up to another… :?
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I’m still trying to understand why the total numbers of voters vary so much from one match-up to another… :?
Never understand it myself, same every season.
That year when there was a record number of entries, it did get a little awkward to make sure I'd voted for all of them. It's when you are voting and people are leaving comments, moving the order. My foolproof method now is:
Open the top one - admire - choose and vote - back space, the browser arrow. Choose the next one down, repeat actions as above.
I've found I never miss any of the matches this way and vote on them all.
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Clever... I just try to vote as fast as I can, hoping people won't have time to post too many comments. I come back later to be sure I vote on all match. I'm quite sure I missed at least 1 in LPL 10 though :?
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Sometimes I can't decide which to pick, plan to come back later when I've thought about it, and forget to. Sometimes I just can't choose and so don't vote. In such cases I like to give my vote to whoever else is in the room at the time, but often I'm on my own here in the man-cave (especially on a Sunday morning).
Very occasionally I just flat-out don't like either entry for whatever reason, and so again, I don't vote. I don't see the benefit in spending much time wrestling with the idea of which one I dislike the least.
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Very occasionally I just flat-out don't like either entry for whatever reason, and so again, I don't vote. I don't see the benefit in spending much time wrestling with the idea of which one I dislike the least.
I think that's the answer to the conundrum to be honest. Several people have said to me down the years that they don't bother to vote on matches where neither entry floats their boat.
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I posted a question about my own entry in the current round between Angstpuppet and me. This put the match at the top of the list and "gained" 3 more voters…
EDIT: which tend to prove that while some people decide not to vote, others just miss the round somehow. Maybe a way to cast vote and post comments at a "different time" could be done? :?
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I posted a question about my own entry in the current round between Angstpuppet and me. This put the match at the top of the list and "gained" 3 more voters…
EDIT: which tend to prove that while some people decide not to vote, others just miss the round somehow. Maybe a way to cast vote and post comments at a "different time" could be done? :?
Interesting phenomena you've observed. Voter fatigue maybe? 19 rounds is a lot of threads to look at sometimes, so maybe the ones near the bottom get left out sometimes?
Thanks
n
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Interesting indeed… the number of voters go from 305 to 323 (for now)… which bring the % of the votes for my own entry down a little lol
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Thanks Boss,
have set diary to vote on Tuesday.
Being an Aussie, can not trust the pomy's to be on time. :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
many thanks for the quick reply.
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Last call for entries for round 5.
20 new teams received. 18 still to come - or round 4 teams will roll forward to round 5...
By tonight if you can please. (Or, being exceptionally lax with the rules) by first thing tomorrow at the latest :)
Thanks all.
Richard
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The hour on end date of sending entries is loose point of the rules.
I try to meet the hour given for first turns admission - ie 23 GMT but its not clear :>
Sent mine few hours ago.
After hell of trying to make photo of them..
How some of you are doing such crisp photos is just beyond me.. Some kind of magic.. :V
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Tripod, a camera that allows exposure of several seconds, and a form of diffused lighting is key!
Mike Demana
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Tripod, a camera that allows exposure of several seconds, and a form of diffused lighting is key!
This is pretty important. Diffusing the light does two things- it allows you to use more light without getting glare, and cuts harsh specular highlights.
There is quite a bit of technical know-how behind good photography, but there are a few basic things that can be taken into account, providing you can manipulate some settings. Most cameras and even phones have some control over settings. If you don't have a tripod it is very difficult to shoot anything at less than 1/60 second and avoid blur. Even setting the camera on a book for stability is better than just holding it free form.
Apeture (f-stop): This controls your depth of field, which is how wide the zone of focus is. A group of figures in a line parallel to the picture plane is easier to focus on than figures arranged in such a way that some are closer than others. With a tripod and f16 you should be able to get a group of figures that are set apart a bit (some deeper into the picture) all sharp and in focus. Having the camera a little further away from the subject can also help focusing. If I have a lot of figures I actually shoot at something like f18 or f20. I use a lot of light though, so I can keep the shutter speed down to half a second or so (which is actually a long time in photography).
Shutter speed: This is how long the shutter is open, letting in light. If you go to a higher f-stop (smaller aperture, more sharpness over a deeper space) you need to correspondingly increase the length of time the shutter is open. The longer it is open, the more blurring there will be unless you have a tripod. Deep depth of field requires a high f-stop and thus more time. If your figures are not arranged too deep, a lower f-stop (like f8 or f11) could be used. I always try to get a higher f-stop though.
Auto settings try to even things out, and usually try to get to 1/60 second or higher to avoid blur- which means it is also auto-opening the aperture to get more light... reducing depth of field and making focus more challenging (or even impossible).
If you have the ability, I would recommend 'bracketing'. Take several shots at f14 and f16, with different shutter speeds.
Not sure if any of that helps :)
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For some reason I didn't get notified of Season 11 and just found this now so did my voting fro Round 4.
Did go through all the earlier entries and some great jobs out there as usual.
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I totally agree with Dr. Mathias. Taking good photos is a art in its own.
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Okay then... Voting on Round 4 is closed, and preparations for Round 5 now begin!
There are a lot of VERY nice entries following the 'ship's crew' bonus theme.
Just to note, I haven't received replacement teams for Round 5 from:
Bugsda
Dr The Viking
Khmorg
Vonkluge
Gents - if you think you have sent in your Round 5 entry, well, I don't seem to have it. In which case please get in touch as soon as you can.
Otherwise, I will roll your R4 entry onto R5.
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Thanks Dr
I have tripod (not the best one - wobbly, but its ok when I use 5 seconds delay).
I am starting to believe I need more light, but I will try to experiment with bracketing..
My wife's camera has very large and unwelcoming manual :O
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Even with a tripod you'll often get a little bit of camera shake from pressing the button, which if you are on any kind of long exposure will ruin your pic. Best use a remote or timer.
My pictures were terrible until I had the brilliant idea of actually bothering to read that little book that came with the camera. :) They're by no means perfect now, but they are much better. On my camera you can set the depth of field you want (depending on just how much of the stuff in-frame you want in focus) and the camera automatically calculates the exposure time needed based on that and the amount of light available. It seems remarkably idiot-proof, and lighting is of minimal importance. I only use ambient lighting with this method, no fancy lighting rig at all and the result has been satisfactory to me, providing I remembered to set the white balance (else the colours can come out a bit funky).
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Even with a tripod you'll often get a little bit of camera shake from pressing the button, which if you are on any kind of long exposure will ruin your pic. Best use a remote or timer.
My pictures were terrible until I had the brilliant idea of actually bothering to read that little book that came with the camera. :) They're by no means perfect now, but they are much better. On my camera you can set the depth of field you want (depending on just how much of the stuff in-frame you want in focus) and the camera automatically calculates the exposure time needed based on that and the amount of light available. It seems remarkably idiot-proof, and lighting is of minimal importance. I only use ambient lighting with this method, no fancy lighting rig at all and the result has been satisfactory to me, providing I remembered to set the white balance (else the colours can come out a bit funky).
Great points- a remote (or cable release) is going to produce even better clarity.
Setting the aperture for control over the depth of field is the main goal.
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Round 5 is up - post date is 26 April?!
Were the threads posted then, and hidden (and now unhidden) or something else?
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Round 5 is up - post date is 26 April?!
Were the threads posted then, and hidden (and now unhidden) or something else?
Do you scent a conspiracy theory? :D ;)
I set up all the polls in a separate preparation area well in advance. Then once all the entries are in, I simply have to populate them. Then move them across to the LPL board proper on the day. Cuts down the work the day before, but yes, makes the date look wrong :)
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I see you edited them 12 hours ago (6am Sunday my time) - which adds to my confusion. The reminder in the top right of every page is something that's working for me this year, definitely the judge(s) should follow in the future.
Your detailed prep has me guessing you've been bitten by a German zombie :D
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I see you edited them 12 hours ago (6am Sunday my time) - which adds to my confusion. The reminder in the top right of every page is something that's working for me this year, definitely the judge(s) should follow in the future.
Your detailed prep has me guessing you've been bitten by a German zombie :D
Yes, I set them up last night and sent them live this morning (UK time).
The truth is, I have various limited slots during the week to spend time on this, and so I prepare as much as I can in advance :)
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Great points- a remote (or cable release) is going to produce even better clarity.
I use the timer on mine. You know, the one that allows you to run around and get in the picture (mind you, I swear I am not actually IN any of my pics... lol)
Mike Demana
www.firstcommandwargames.com
http://leadlegionaries.blogspot.com/
(http://i721.photobucket.com/albums/ww213/mikedemana/Miscellaneous/LPL_bades_zpsl7op2jaz.jpg)
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I am "paycheck to paycheck" now in this LPL. That's what I call it when I have no cushion...I'm painting this coming round this week. :'(
How late can this 'Murican turn in the next round on this Friday, GMT? lol I am going to be struggling to get all the steps done -- finishing the painting, sealing, basing, flocking, and so forth. On the bright side, when I began my Round 6, I was paralleling my Round 7. So, they have flesh and first color done.
These are the times that try LPLers souls... ;D
Mike Demana
www.firstcommandwargames.com
http://leadlegionaries.blogspot.com/
(http://i721.photobucket.com/albums/ww213/mikedemana/Miscellaneous/LPL_bades_zpsl7op2jaz.jpg)
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I know your pain :/
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I am "paycheck to paycheck" now in this LPL. That's what I call it when I have no cushion...I'm painting this coming round this week. :'(
That's the, in the long run, unappealing part of the LPL and the reason I didn't participate this time.
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How late can this 'Murican turn in the next round on this Friday, GMT?
Mike, I'm flexible on timings within reason :)
A few people have been a bit late over the last couple of rounds.
I ask for the teams to all be in by the end of Friday (UK time) so that I can organise and upload all the pictures and set up all the matches on Saturday, ready to roll on Sunday.
So some time on Saturday daytime is really the latest. Bear in mind that in your part of the States, I think you're 6 or 7 hours behind us here in the UK.
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Seems like I'm always 'paycheck to paycheck' by round 5. I always bite off more than I should chew during the three week grace period between initial entries and round 4 o_o
Burn Out City here I come ;)
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Seems like I'm always 'paycheck to paycheck' by round 5. I always bite off more than I should chew during the three week grace period between initial entries and round 4
Well, with the horde of ladies you painted up for this last round, my friend... lol
I consider myself extravagant when I paint eight 28mm figs! lol
Sounds like a lot of us are in the same boat. Thanks, Cap'n, for the grace period. I'll be out of town on Saturday at a convention, so it has to be by Friday.
Mike Demana
www.firstcommandwargames.com
http://leadlegionaries.blogspot.com/
(http://i721.photobucket.com/albums/ww213/mikedemana/Miscellaneous/LPL_bades_zpsl7op2jaz.jpg)
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Still hard at work at round 7, finished the first mini for that yesterday, but still don't know what to do about round 8 and 9, have some idea about round 10 but need to check if I really have all the parts I need for that ;D Had a good head start but went away on vacation for a week last week so that didn't help ;)
actually had a good idea for round 8, dug out the minis from the leadpile, took a close look and burried them again, way to fiddly, I didn't even want to try assembling them let alone paint them on a deadline ;)
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I love reading the progress reports on here painters, thanks to everyone who posts them!
I myself have been languishing on rounds nine and ten... I have become obsessively particular about details and highlights and I found myself blending a shield for an hour and a half... a shield that I will mostly cover up with a design anyway! Blending isn't as easy as I'd like it to be on large flat surfaces :/ That being said, I have four of the six figures done for round ten, and about 0.75 figures done for round nine.
I am also struggling to find time to photograph rounds seven and eight! It's always such a time-intensive process...
Good luck everyone, may your brushes fly like lightning and your lighting conditions be favorable!
thanks
n
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I have rounds 7-10 looking at me with sad reproach.. They are all started apart from Big brother who need some sculpting and is bare naked.
But I finished 4 groups that were on the table for years unfinished so the original goal of LPL is working.
What is taksing me is fight with camera for interesting looking and showing photos. That feeling when you learn for 3 hours about bracketing and then realising best photo was made on auto setting anyway.. o_o
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I have been watching this tournament for the last few years and it seems to me that, whilst the winners have always been spectacular, the strength in deapth of the field improves year on year. It is a real visual treat to see the entries each week. So congrats to everyone and keep up the good work.
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I did get my Round 6 completed, photographed, and submitted -- after three days in a row of being up till after midnight! I like how it turned out, but no resting on my laurels in LPL! I am away at a convention all day today, and then I am setting up for a playtest of a different convention game Sunday. Yikes... :o
Mike Demana
www.firstcommandwargames.com
http://leadlegionaries.blogspot.com/
(http://i721.photobucket.com/albums/ww213/mikedemana/Miscellaneous/LPL_bades_zpsl7op2jaz.jpg)
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Big brother who need some sculpting and is bare naked.
That is just like my big brother entry! :o
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I have been taking many, many shots of each set up, so I thought I'd share some of the behind-the-scenes images.
Here's my set up for my first entry - Skythians! You can see that the image was taken on my desk using some scenery I had. I did fix up the detailing a bit though with some extra grass, bushes, etc. I also added grass tufts just temporarily. I plan to use those tufts throughout to help make the scenes a bit more realistic and to obscure the bases a bit.
The hill in the background is the ubiquitous GW hill, along with some Woodland Scenics trees. I have three lights on the scene, and some older DBA camps and army elements to add to the background.
(http://hourofwolves.org/images/armies/LeadPaintersLeague11/roundOneStaging.jpg)
I'll post more images as things progress!
Thanks
n
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Neldoreth - I just loved your 15mm "Skythians on the hunt!" entry in Round 1 and you most definitely got my vote despite the phenomenal opposition from Lt Hazel. Not just because they were absolutely lovely, well photographed and extremely well painted or because I have a massive soft spot for Skythians but because they were all that AND 15mm. That standard of painting in 15mm is in my view far more difficult because of the smaller scale and hence of more worth of praise that the similar standard in 28mm.
One thought - I'd like to see a compulsory 15mm round in LPL just to sort out the men from the boys....just my 2p!
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One thought - I'd like to see a compulsory 15mm round in LPL just to sort out the men from the boys....just my 2p!
That sounds like a good idea.
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I don't believe I have ever voluntarily owned a 15mm figure. Don't think I would start for an LPL.
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Thanks Paddy649, you're far too kind!
I really like the idea of a 15mm round in LPL, it would be great to see how this group paints and sets the scene for some awesome 15s!
Sinewgrab, I used to feel the wway you do, but there's something very special about being able to paint a twelve-unit army in a single month! It also really allowed me to get better at painting 28mm figures. After painting a handful of 15mm figures, painting details on a 28mm figure is almost child's play!
Thanks
n
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I'd like to see a compulsory 15mm round in LPL just to sort out the men from the boys....just my 2p!
The LPL was never limited to a certain scale in any round. I would prefer if it were kept like that. To specify/require a scale would only limit the number of contestants, I feel. I can not imagine that a gamer would pick the challenge to paint a scale in which he doesn´t play. I like the idea of bonus points for a special theme. Maybe this could apply to a scale bonus too. To be fair there should be a bonus for different scales too then (e.g. "bigger than 28mm scale", "smaller than 28mm scale" instead of "15mm", "20mm", "40mm", "54mm" and so on).
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The LPL was never limited to a certain scale in any round. I would prefer if it were kept like that. To specify/require a scale would only limit the number of contestants, I feel. I can not imagine that a gamer would pick the challenge to paint a scale in which he doesn´t play. I like the idea of bonus points for a special theme. Maybe this could apply to a scale bonus too. To be fair there should be a bonus for different scales too then (e.g. "bigger than 28mm scale", "smaller than 28mm scale" instead of "15mm", "20mm", "40mm", "54mm" and so on).
Couldn't it just be a bonus thing? 15mm is hardly worse than a any other bonus theme.
I like it!
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Couldn't it just be a bonus thing? 15mm is hardly worse than a any other bonus theme.
Of course it could be. Although I would suggest to add another bonus theme for another scale other than 28mm for fairness.
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I don't believe the LPL has ever had "compulsory" rounds, and I don't really think it should start now. What do you do if someone simply doesn't submit a new entry that week, or ignores the stipulation? Kick them out of the competition?
Bonus points is the way to go.
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Compulsory scale of 15mm is a terrible idea. My 2p.
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Whoops, in my earlier post I didn't mean to agree with a compulsory 15mm round, I was thinking it could be considered as a 'bonus' theme. My reading comprehension was off ;)
Past bonus rounds have included some pretty niche things.
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Whoops, in my earlier post I didn't mean to agree with a compulsory 15mm round, I was thinking it could be considered as a 'bonus' theme. My reading comprehension was off ;)
Past bonus rounds have included some pretty niche things.
This was also my point
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One thought - I'd like to see a compulsory 15mm round in LPL just to sort out the men from the boys....just my 2p!
Sorry my bad! Poorly worded. I should have said "I'd like to see a 15mm specific Bonus Round" That may act as a bit of a leveller for smaller scales. Not suggesting anything compulsory....
Not sure how scale based bonus points would work......although in the far less prestigious Battlefront Painting League we occasionally run with an "armed stubble" modifier to balance the judging between 6mm and 15mm or larger scales.
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Just submitted my round 7 entry, a little too close to the deadline for my liking...
I'll plan to take pictures this weekend for round 8!
Thanks
n
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Here's a staging shot for round 2.
I noticed that the camera was over-exposing the shot, so I just put a piece of white plastic in the frame to trick the camera into thinking it was lighter, and so automatically reducing the exposure. It seemed easier than figuring out how to use the camera properly ;)
(http://hourofwolves.org/images/armies/LeadPaintersLeague11/roundTwoStaging.jpg)
Funny thing, the webs weren't as obvious in the final picture, and I wasn't really too happy with them anyway. Worst thing is that I couldn't really get the stuff completely out of the trees afterward!
Thanks
n
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Funny thing, the webs weren't as obvious in the final picture, and I wasn't really too happy with them anyway. Worst thing is that I couldn't really get the stuff completely out of the trees afterward!
Same thing happened to me in my Mirkwood LPL entry from a few years ago ;)
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Round Seven photo just submitted at or possibly after the last minute! ;D
Looked up from doing the usual Saturday household chores (pints of coffee, harassing the cat, laundry, the usual...) and realized I hadn't actually taken the Round 7 photos yet, so dashed them off.
I guess they'll become my Round 8 entry and I'll take my re-run lumps on 7 if I'm too late...
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Sigh. I was unable to get my Round 7 entry done in time. So, I had to dig out some previously painted figs for Rounds 7 and 8, because I am going out of town for more than a week starting Monday morning. I tried to give them my usual show in staging, so hope you enjoy them...!
Hopefully, I will be back on track for the final two rounds...
Mike Demana
www.firstcommandwargames.com
http://leadlegionaries.blogspot.com/
(http://i721.photobucket.com/albums/ww213/mikedemana/Miscellaneous/LPL_bades_zpsl7op2jaz.jpg)
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I am a little confused... the teams have to be newly painted and not previously shown in any way or form, right?
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I am a little confused... the teams have to be newly painted and not previously shown in any way or form, right?
If you want the bonus points, yes. You can enter figures that you have shown before, but as they are not newly painted to take part in the league, they don't get the 'new team' bonus 10 points :)
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I agree on there not being any compulsory scales, but a bonus round for 15mms would be good as it can be hard to compare them to 28mms.
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If you want the bonus points, yes. You can enter figures that you have shown before, but as they are not newly painted to take part in the league, they don't get the 'new team' bonus 10 points :)
I didn't realise this. Doh!
Count me in next year then.
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I didn't realise this. Doh!
Count me in next year then.
Oh yes, I would love to see you in, Steve! :)
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I didn't realise this. Doh!
Count me in next year then.
That would be great, Steve.
And bring Kev with you :D
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That would be great, Steve.
And bring Kev with you :D
What a show that would be. :o
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What a show that would be. :o
i've got enough 5 figure pics of his to enter him without him knowing....:-)
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I got my final three entries turned in this week. I am glad I made it through even though I am in last place. Just finishing this competition is a huge hurdle. Good luck to everyone finishing up and to those still in contention for top spots. This has been a blast.
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I got my final three entries turned in this week. I am glad I made it through even though I am in last place. Just finishing this competition is a huge hurdle. Good luck to everyone finishing up and to those still in contention for top spots. This has been a blast.
As someone in the bottom half last year, I can tell you that at the end of the day LPL is first for you and you alone; getting stuff painted and photographed is hugely satifying. The fact that you're up against painters who can actually pro-paint something doesn't mean the bottom half of the league should be disheartened.
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As someone in the bottom half last year, I can tell you that at the end of the day LPL is first for you and you alone; getting stuff painted and photographed is hugely satifying. The fact that you're up against painters who can actually pro-paint something doesn't mean the bottom half of the league should be disheartened.
I agree with you. The LPL is simply a brilliant device for fast tracking your painting. I have blatted through an entire Afrika Korps and Romano-British army over the last 3 - 4 months. I'd never have done that without the incentive of the LPL.
But think it's worth pointing out that out of 38 contestants there is only one actual pro-painter I know of involved in this LPL The rest of us are mere amateur hobbyists who do it for pleasure ;)
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Same here, finally finished a lot of stuff which has been sitting waiting - the advantage of the 5-figure teams is that it gets me to paint the whole unit for various things and then just pick a few to photograph. I've actually almost cleared the decks...
That said, the sheer quality of most of the painters in it is still disheartening, but in an inspirational way! :D
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I agree on there not being any compulsory scales, but a bonus round for 15mms would be good as it can be hard to compare them to 28mms.
Well, as there are only 2-3 people submitting 15mm miniatures on a regular basis I actually don't see any demand for a 15mm special round. Would be the same for let's say 54mm or 10mm...
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FOr my sake it started really well beeing at least 4 weeks in advance... now I'm struggling to follwo the pace as I can't really paint during the weekdays and there's plenty of stuff to do in the weekends! lol
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I started the event with six teams already complete! I'm struggling to finish nine and ten :) I think I need to stop with adding detail and just finish... Shields and fabric patterns are killing me!
thanks
n
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I agree that for those who are not top tier, LPL is still an amazing experience. In addition to completing lots of figs you would not have otherwise, the drive to do your best makes all of us improve. I am a better painter now than I was when I entered my first LPL. I try new techniques and take extra time. I get better.
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Neldorth - In the same position although had less than 6 at the start complete.
Round 9 has changed its composition to save time already
But hey I love the competition and at the end of it I have to find more space for completed figures - win win
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Silly question; regarding voting and interface:
Could the "Submit" button be moved further from the radio buttons?
I was voting and I got the **wrong radio button. When I tried to shift to the other, intended choice, I **accidentally hit the "Submit" button. And obviously, there is no abort button. Could the "Submit" button be positioned centered instead of flush left? Or further down if there were some blank lines...
...not worried about the stray vote. Just wondered if a small improvement could happen.
**( #badtouchscreen #badnaughtytouchscreen ) :?
Update: I did better in round nine; no miscast votes; still wish the "Vote" button was center justified. [/edit] #fatfingers
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Cloudy days make for the best pictures.
Here is the outside staging for my Bretonnian knight entry for round 7
(http://hourofwolves.org/images/armies/LeadPaintersLeague11/roungSevenStaging.jpg)
Incidentally, I did cut the lawn after I took this photo! :)
Thanks
n
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I, on the other hand, am lame and suck. For the 3rd week in a row I was unable to get my new team painted. This is the worst I've ever done at submitting new entries in the spirit of the league. I am a little depressed about this and am thinking I shouldn't have entered this year...😟😞
Sorry guys!
Mike Demana
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I, on the other hand, am lame and suck. For the 3rd week in a row I was unable to get my new team painted. This is the worst I've ever done at submitting new entries in the spirit of the league. I am a little depressed about this and am thinking I shouldn't have entered this year...😟😞
Sorry guys!
Mike Demana
There's definitely no reason to feel sorry about! I think we all know those times when real life intervenes with what we'd prefer to do. I myself am struggling to get on with my submission for the last round. Vital parts have yet to be delivered by the post man. Also it's not like you've taken anybody's starting place away. Your kind and encouraging comments on your fellow painters submissons alone helped to make this years (my first btw.) LPL a thoroughly enjoyable affair.
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Yeah, I had to repeat this round too. But at least I've got a new entry for the final round.
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Ive got 3 ready for the final round, fourth 60% but the Big brother is bare with some sculpting to do o_o
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I'm sad to say that work this week might mean round 10 defeats me... that or I'll pull a couple of late ones!
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I only just made it as I'm travelling abroad.
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Mt five small figs are done for the final round, the large one is still missing hair and metallics... Should I do NMM? Or should I do metallics? That is the question...
Thanks
n.
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Finished round 10 this morning! Pictures tonight, and then done!
That was a lot of work, and a lot of fun. But I'm looking forward to the break :)
Thanks
n
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Lots of good things again this round. Well done all those taking part.
I think I'd only risk joining in the LPL if I had a lot of stuff on the workbench nearly done that I could finish off fairly quickly.
FX: man looking at workbench
Actually maybe I should give it a go.
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Finished round 10 this morning! Pictures tonight, and then done!
I have the last normal sized miniatures done for round 10 last night, but BIG BROTHER is just started. I don´t really dare to look forward to finish him in time. Painting, drying, varnishing, flocking the base and taking pictures could be a bit steep to handle tonight... :( Anyway, I may contribute at least something new and even the 15 bonus points would not take me to the top...
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I just finished and sent off my image!
Phew, what an adventure... I'm eagerly awaiting everyone's final round entries! Good luck all!
Thanks
n
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I will be a little late again.
Those final rounds are killing me and I just dont have lighting power to make a decent photo at night.
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Looks like I should make it too...!
Mike Demana
www.firstcommandwargames.com
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I did it! Round 10 is sent! WOOOOOOOO!
(https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BYpVVCWCIAAbKiG.png)
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Round 10 was finished last night, photographed tonight, and the email just sent off!
Onward!
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I managed it too..
Unfortunately Ive painted a guy that is unphotographable.. it has to be kind of Slaaneshian miasma, I hope rest will be enough to give me some votes :)
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LPL12 awaits :D :D :D No resting on our laurels.
Can't wait to see tomorrow's entries.
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Now that the lpl is over I wanted to post at least one group shot, and a few close ups, of what the lpl helped me to get done plus some random cultists and daemon add ons. I will try to post more later.
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Yeah, well done in keeping your focus!
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Well done. You may be the winner in number of new figures painted!
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I'm impressed with anyone who an stick to a theme through the ten weeks!
Thanks for the group shot Angstpuppet.
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Angst
That's a lot of fir power - a tremendous amount of work over the 10 weeks
Hope to see you back next year
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Thanks for the kind words everyone. I plan on returning next year. In fact I have around six others that might come with me. All but one of them are much better painters than me but only one of them can grind out volumes of models like me when I am on a tear. If even half of them join up next year will be interesting, as we all want to see each other improve but there is still an undertone of competitive tension between all of us.
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Go for it - It does push you on with your painting and your scene setting plus its great fun. It's also probably the only part of the hobby my wife approves of.
Last year I was 2 off the bottom and this year managed to get a lot higher so positions can change
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I can't believe it's over... I have so much free time now that I don't know what to do with myself!!! lol
thanks
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I can't believe it's over... I have so much free time now that I don't know what to do with myself!!! lol
thanks
n
Army Painters 2017 is the answer to that ;)