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Title: Building KLS Walkure : action pictures on page 3!!!
Post by: Pijlie on February 23, 2017, 02:29:28 PM: Despite the fact that I bailed out of the building contest because I had been building airships all year, after running the Skyships of Barsoom demo the itch returned and I felt quite disturbed by the fact that the Germans were so far unrepresented on my gaming table. So the building of KLS (Kaiserliches LuftSchiff) Walkure began.

(https://scontent-ams3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/16804220_1320847191287474_6524552339799282485_o.jpg?oh=42c0a4a4d81346701fc10efe33af15e2&oe=5933C3B4)

So far the sketches, zeppelin tubes and sawing molds have been made.

(https://scontent-ams3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/16819408_1321228197916040_20986999932283398_o.jpg?oh=077e34219345544bb7291c4c9f4f104b&oe=5926C1AF)

(https://scontent-ams3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/16825816_1322103827828477_4960327663300207135_o.jpg?oh=e72e8205357bb86a2d90a52ba27b99b4&oe=5934BC0B)
Title: Re: Building KLS Walkure
Post by: The_Beast on February 25, 2017, 12:46:34 PM: Have you seen Crossover Miniatures Frederik?

(http://crossoverminiatures.com/figures/wp-content/uploads/2016/03/Frederik-Manned-9.jpg)

Frederik Class Airship (http://crossoverminiatures.com/product/frederik-class-airship/)

Similar enough that I was wondering: homage, unconscious remembrance, or convergent evolution?

In Crossover's case, I prefer the version he did without the gasbags. So far, yours seems more 'organic'.

I am intrigued by the second layout; I think I have a toy with that rounded-sides going on. Oh, merde, another expedition to the basement, I fear...

Really looking forward to more reports!

Doug
Title: Re: Building KLS Walkure
Post by: tin shed gamer on February 25, 2017, 02:44:30 PM: Yours build ,was one of the builds I was looking forward to seeing,during the competition.So its good to see your back on your tools .(so to speak)

Its also nice to see you've opted to build a class other than the over played Aphid's.
Or some over bulked off the shelf derivative.
So I for one,will be watch for your progress,with interest.

Mark.
Title: Re: Building KLS Walkure
Post by: Pijlie on February 25, 2017, 02:54:34 PM: Thank you.

I aimed for a zeppelin based German ship because Space 1889 canon denies them liftwood. But I wanted to stay away from traditional airship design and yet again stay close enough to make it recognisable. So there had to be zeppelin tubes and engines in separate gondolas outside the hull. But because VSF always looks insanely impractical the hull would be on top of the zeppelins instead of underneath. I added the ram because it simply looks early Victorian and makes no sense at all.

Obviously someone else already thought of that. The similarities are coincidental I think. But to be honest, one can never be sure.....
Title: Re: Building KLS Walkure
Post by: The_Beast on February 26, 2017, 04:38:48 AM: As I suggested. However, a homage would have been understandable, and I DID say I preferred what I was seeing so far. ;)

I THINK the toy I was remembering was the Pirate of Dark Waters 'Wraith', later reused as the Mortal Combat 'Dragon Wing.'

(http://piratesofdarkwater.net/images/merchandise/action-wraithfigures.jpg)

Bow on, the outriders stand out better.

Doug
Title: Re: Building KLS Walkure
Post by: Pijlie on February 26, 2017, 07:00:06 AM: I can see that turn into something Barsoomian :)
Title: Re: Building KLS Walkure
Post by: The_Beast on February 26, 2017, 11:34:41 AM: Quote from: Pijlie on February 26, 2017, 07:00:06 AM
I can see that turn into something Barsoomian :)

Yes, like so much in my life, it has been tasking me for years... :'(

Doug
Title: Re: Building KLS Walkure
Post by: tin shed gamer on February 26, 2017, 01:22:53 PM: I like the design. It reads as a logical progression with in the context of 1889.Rather than an oversized Aphid with extra firepower. That most people opt for.
Title: Re: Building KLS Walkure
Post by: Pijlie on February 27, 2017, 09:31:51 AM: Quote from: tin shed gamer on February 26, 2017, 01:22:53 PM
I like the design. It reads as a logical progression with in the context of 1889.Rather than an oversized Aphid with extra firepower. That most people opt for.

To be honest I already built an Aphid (actually two...) to try out some building ideas. lol

Extrapolating from Space 1889 canon the Germans arrived on Mars after the British and therefore their aeronefs should in my eyes appear as an answer to British designs without making use of liftwood.

So, apart from being lifted by zeppelin gasbags, Walkure will be better armoured and sport Germanesque weaponry (Maxim machineguns instead of Nordenfelds) and will have an armoured ram bow copied from indigenous Martian designs.

I am contemplating arming her better as well, but that would create a problem with game balance and ignore the fact that gasbags should not have better lifting capabilities than liftwood. And that would seem the case if two gasbags could lift better armour as well as heavier guns without paying any price.

So she will either get about the same armament as an Aphid or be classified in my homebrewn rules as a Heavy ship, which will make her slower in speed and climb rates.
Title: Re: Building KLS Walkure
Post by: Pijlie on February 27, 2017, 02:25:54 PM: Using the templates to draw the main parts on MDF an hour of sawwork leaves you with a pile of wooden parts:

(https://scontent-ams3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-0/p75x225/16998184_1326273527411507_2574887778044937324_n.jpg?oh=26160c67c28c9b9ad00ff4c644a3c2ab&oe=59340119)

Since I am always curious how it all looks and can never wait I piled all the pieces on top of each other and took a quick picture before it collapsed again. It starts to look like the intended design :)

(https://scontent-ams3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/16903496_1326273824078144_303521292187763853_o.jpg?oh=ca1ca6171264be2a85fdb8393fa107e2&oe=596E462B)
Title: Re: Building KLS Walkure
Post by: The_Beast on February 28, 2017, 03:28:37 PM: Excellent!

While handwavium can explain the bag-to-ship size disparity, and one reason I like your version is that disparity is less, another option that the Germans had in Space 1889 were lift rotors.

I do assume the 'wings' are trim tabs, but you might think of adding a few upward props.

If not, perhaps the germ of an idea for later beasts. :D

Doug
Title: Re: Building KLS Walkure
Post by: Pijlie on February 28, 2017, 03:48:49 PM: Quote from: The_Beast on February 28, 2017, 03:28:37 PM
While handwavium can explain the bag-to-ship size disparity, and one reason I like your version is that disparity is less, another option that the Germans had in Space 1889 were lift rotors.

I do assume the 'wings' are trim tabs, but you might think of adding a few upward props.

I considered lift rotors (especially after I saw a splendid Robur's Albatross) but dismissed them because they would get in the way of play tremendously.

I handwave the disparity based on Mars' lower gravity :)

The stubby wings will bear the engines, which will get double props and will be tiltable so as to enable upward, forward and downward propulsion (hell, they can even work as emergency brakes!)

I chose to arm Walkure slightly beter than the Aphid I already built. She will get a 77mm cannon on the bow, two 37mm Maxim pom-poms on the port and starboard barbettes and two Maxim machineguns to repell boarders on the wings of he bridge. She will also get armour plating on the gasbags and bridge and shields on the guns.
Title: Re: Building KLS Walkure
Post by: Mr. Rheydt on February 28, 2017, 08:31:12 PM: Looks very promising, I am curious about the outcome.
Might the KLS also carry bombs or a small party of "landing troops"?
Title: Re: Building KLS Walkure
Post by: Pijlie on March 01, 2017, 02:11:38 AM: All the structural hull parts now glued in place and the stack fitted t rest her on the flying standard she now looks like this (the zeppelins put on for the picture and a 28mm figure added for scale):

(https://scontent-ams3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/17097460_1327697640602429_4013798321394844271_o.jpg?oh=f671d6c97ae9b6316eec0db2c243dd6e&oe=5941678C)

She will indeed carry a crew of sailors as well as Seebattallion (MartianerKolonialSchutztruppen) marines.
Title: Re: Building KLS Walkure
Post by: The_Beast on March 01, 2017, 02:13:18 AM: I would assume a marine or three aboard, but troop carrier is asking a bit much.

I still have a Nautilus I want to use as armored 'bag' troop carrier.

(http://www.julesverne.ca/images/imgjvmodels/revell.jpg)

Doug

Edit: Of course, the Walkure would be MOST valuble as escort...
Title: Re: Building KLS Walkure
Post by: Pijlie on March 01, 2017, 05:27:57 AM: Quote from: The_Beast on March 01, 2017, 02:13:18 AM
I would assume a marine or three aboard, but troop carrier is asking a bit much.

Let's not get ahead of ourselves right now ;)
Title: Re: Building KLS Walkure
Post by: Pijlie on March 04, 2017, 02:56:19 PM: Progress after a free saturday to spend on the hobby. :D

The detailing and painting can begin....

(https://scontent-ams3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/17157645_1331322630239930_4812876048946258841_o.jpg?oh=3bed6dee78be55b59600dcbf7a784fe3&oe=5973591C)
Title: Re: Building KLS Walkure
Post by: The_Beast on March 05, 2017, 04:08:18 PM: 1) I ALWAYS get ahead of myself! Except when I'm behind...

2) I call fun!

Doug
Title: Re: Building KLS Walkure
Post by: fergal on March 05, 2017, 09:05:15 PM: Very cool build so far. Looks like a great German addition!

Any plans for crew?
Title: Re: Building KLS Walkure
Post by: Captain Darling on March 05, 2017, 09:28:11 PM: Hey Pijlie,

Your ability to go from plans to constructed model so quickly are enviable.

Looking forward to you completing this and seeing it manned and armed...

Cheers!
Title: Re: Building KLS Walkure
Post by: Pijlie on March 06, 2017, 05:51:10 AM: Quote from: fergal on March 05, 2017, 09:05:15 PM
Very cool build so far. Looks like a great German addition!

Any plans for crew?

Part of the crew has been in my collection for years. They are Pulp Figures' Seebattalion and its nefarious Prussian commander Ludwing Von Twitterling-Hupsenbach. The captain, deck crew and some more sailors have been ordered from Copplestone and are on their way.

I might convert some plastic Mutant Chronicles "Germans" into Space Kommandos :)
Title: Re: Building KLS Walkure
Post by: The_Beast on March 06, 2017, 02:20:03 PM: I LOVE those!

I have a few of the Imperial Trenchers someone else painted, but I gave the spike-heads to a friend, who's yet to field them. :(

I would have expected Raumkommandos to be normally on duty on a aether-flyer, though one supposes they could be an detached assignment. ;)

DO keep it up, ol' bean!

Doug
Title: Re: Building KLS Walkure
Post by: Pijlie on March 06, 2017, 08:09:37 PM: Added the deck (prints), magnetised the weaponry, added magnetic mounts for the engines and tried a new clour for the zeppelin gasbags.

(https://scontent-ams3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/17159022_1333251613380365_3677578765429353054_o.jpg?oh=5daf7c1dd9fb233cced0ed9878be0245&oe=5925EA44)

Now for more detailing, railings and such!
Title: Re: Building KLS Walkure
Post by: Captain Darling on March 08, 2017, 11:32:26 AM: Looking good!

Ah print and glue deck detail..DOH I've been etching lines in, drilling holes for fasteners and highlighting with a wash...mind you the deck on my models are miniature compared with this...

Re gasbags personally I'd go with a contrasting colour make them stand out...but that's just me.
Title: Re: Building KLS Walkure
Post by: Pijlie on March 08, 2017, 01:02:01 PM: Well, etched decks look better, but require a lot more work. Prints can be enlarged or shrunk at will of course.

The gasbags will end up in the current colour, but the rest of the hull will become blue-grey for, as you rightly point out, contrast.
Title: Re: Building KLS Walkure
Post by: The_Beast on March 08, 2017, 01:53:17 PM: Quote from: Captain Darling on March 08, 2017, 11:32:26 AM
Looking good!

Ah print and glue deck detail..DOH I've been etching lines in, drilling holes for fasteners and highlighting with a wash...mind you the deck on my models are miniature compared with this...

Looking good! ;)

While I admire your dogged determination, printed decks got me way further with my own foamcore Aphids than I thought possible. I really do NEVER finish anything. I've been thinking of putting up a thread of building d'failures...

Quote from: Captain Darling
Re gasbags personally I'd go with a contrasting colour make them stand out...but that's just me.

I rather like the contrast I'm seeing in the current image. Grey vs. greenish grey. Subtle but good for me. However, it'll be 'builder's call,' of course.

Doug
Title: Re: Building KLS Walkure
Post by: Pijlie on March 08, 2017, 06:41:47 PM: Railings and gunshields

(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-yc27iw7_aW8/WMBQMlNrzRI/AAAAAAAAEqM/7G8DUndT48YQtjDfnd_D2wsE7x9V7vr3wCLcB/s640/WP_20170308_001.jpg)

Look here for all the intermediate steps http://pijlieblog.blogspot.nl/2017/03/building-walkure-german-aeronef-part-2.html (http://pijlieblog.blogspot.nl/2017/03/building-walkure-german-aeronef-part-2.html)
Title: Re: Building KLS Walkure
Post by: The_Beast on March 09, 2017, 03:20:18 PM: :-*

Doug
Title: Re: Building KLS Walkure
Post by: Blodwin on March 09, 2017, 11:08:47 PM: An excellent flying machine- congratulations :-*
Blodwin
Title: Re: Building KLS Walkure
Post by: Pijlie on March 12, 2017, 03:39:19 PM: Made some more progress this weekend :)

(https://scontent-ams3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t31.0-8/17159246_1340527879319405_3011854536705117677_o.jpg?oh=76032305adde0d7123d7b35ab9ad3f6a&oe=592EEFF0)
Title: Re: Building KLS Walkure
Post by: Supercollider on March 12, 2017, 06:24:04 PM: Terrific! :-*
Title: Re: Building KLS Walkure
Post by: marianas_gamer on March 12, 2017, 07:34:23 PM: Very nice work :-* Thanks for sharing!
LB
Title: Re: Building KLS Walkure
Post by: Pijlie on March 16, 2017, 03:13:58 PM: And here she is! All finished and crewed for now by some of her Marines, as her crew is still W.I.P.

(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-vtwMDqgWBEE/WMqq968zNVI/AAAAAAAAErs/tkITaK0ETd0p8aiI_tfRifCcvkjqbZwcACLcB/s640/WP_20170316_009.jpg)

(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-lInkMciSNw4/WMqq9OCpS-I/AAAAAAAAErY/QxehgEB-knYMyzRLbHwHz6iAzlzaEgq9wCLcB/s640/WP_20170316_003.jpg)

There will be more to view on my blog soon http://pijlieblog.blogspot.nl/ (http://pijlieblog.blogspot.nl/)
Title: Re: Building KLS Walkure
Post by: Captain Darling on March 16, 2017, 07:47:48 PM: Oh yeah that's the business...well done!
Title: Re: Building KLS Walkure
Post by: VSF Gamer on March 16, 2017, 09:56:14 PM: Indeed very well done. A fine looking airship!
Title: Re: Building KLS Walkure
Post by: The_Beast on March 17, 2017, 03:19:21 AM: Quote from: VSF Gamer on March 16, 2017, 09:56:14 PM
Indeed very well done. A fine looking airship!

Funny, Randy, I thought you were much more vocal in your feelings about the work done. I thought you might join my hatred-of-the-competent-who-put-me-to-shame, save, you put me to shame already... lol

Pilije, still say that's not a troop carrier, but the 'overhead' shot let me know the thrill of fear it's opponents would feel.

Brilliant!

Doug

PS I'm pretty sure the Eisernes Kreuz brought a tear to his eye... :D
Title: Re: Building KLS Walkure
Post by: The_Beast on March 19, 2017, 04:19:24 PM: Congrats on a quarter million!

Hope I contributed in my small way, on a TMP request for flying and boarding rule set:

"...you might look at the basic rules a fellow in the Netherlands put up to share.

You can also oo and ah the ships. ;->="

"Oooh & Aaah indeed — Thanks!" :D

Doug
Title: Re: Building KLS Walkure
Post by: Pijlie on March 19, 2017, 07:02:51 PM: Thanks!
Title: Re: Building KLS Walkure
Post by: Pijlie on March 31, 2017, 05:48:25 AM: Here she is with her full crew (Copplestone & Pulp Figures):

(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-LEmIGIbsXzA/WNYpmhLDzAI/AAAAAAAAEsI/AiV4GS0vxn4DTsiWRitHS_Zbi609oiCXQCLcB/s640/WP_20170325_002.jpg)

(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-Mm1hl93m__E/WNYpms8eY2I/AAAAAAAAEsQ/UNPKKzwAzcg4346N76keziBl8J9wT7xggCLcB/s640/WP_20170325_003.jpg)

(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-2GIJJ582WhE/WNYpmjdnHuI/AAAAAAAAEsM/qjNsaPQTADEnCIRCuNOJjXKzTPBW0XLswCLcB/s640/WP_20170325_004.jpg)

She will see action this weekend at Impact in Eindhoven NL!
Title: Re: Building KLS Walkure
Post by: SpaceGoblin on March 31, 2017, 01:15:14 PM: Amazing! Excellent work! :-*
Title: Re: Building KLS Walkure
Post by: dinohunterpoa on April 02, 2017, 12:40:05 AM: Pijlie, this is an AWESOME build as usual, CONGRATULATIONS! :-* :-* :-* :-* :-*

I am ~~so totally shamelessly completely steal~~ very inspired by this!

THANK YOU VERY MUCH for sharing! ;)
Title: Re: Building KLS Walkure
Post by: Pijlie on April 02, 2017, 05:32:35 AM: :D
Title: Re: Building KLS Walkure : action pictures on page 3!!!
Post by: Pijlie on April 03, 2017, 06:45:18 PM: (https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-0HLYa2wm48M/WOHKt0odpYI/AAAAAAAAEtk/K90irQaAnzoMZ8KAdyfSBHyg9GMQPubjACLcB/s640/Impact%2B2017%2B%25286%2529.jpg)

(https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-lzyMSIZKQjk/WOHKuHX1sUI/AAAAAAAAEts/jKQTdGRH-8gl8YfPgW0DHhiYOBYuRnZDgCLcB/s640/Impact%2B2017%2B%25288%2529.jpg)

(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-vdsXujca3m4/WOHKrwnn0SI/AAAAAAAAEtE/gKXWd_yIX0cUIH2fo_4uaced-NMcNboFACLcB/s640/Impact%2B2017%2B%252813%2529.jpg)

(https://1.bp.blogspot.com/-M07XC6fkiu0/WOHKr8PtjmI/AAAAAAAAEs8/TFtJRUFpYAoacXL48t4gSLiQPyUBPcBAQCLcB/s640/Impact%2B2017%2B%252812%2529.jpg)

(https://2.bp.blogspot.com/-JzXiIOgd6js/WOHKrx2oijI/AAAAAAAAEtA/19C1GEL5iK06amkwddQEpv8wnqCEHnIKQCLcB/s640/Impact%2B2017%2B%252814%2529.jpg)

(https://4.bp.blogspot.com/-imIRo43U1oM/WOHKsliG9RI/AAAAAAAAEtQ/8GkHcs5s2iIM7GVhc7PkhhVXUQw2YOkPgCLcB/s640/Impact%2B2017%2B%252817%2529.jpg)

Full pic report here http://pijlieblog.blogspot.nl/ (http://pijlieblog.blogspot.nl/)
Title: Re: Building KLS Walkure : action pictures on page 3!!!
Post by: The_Beast on April 05, 2017, 03:44:44 AM: Mein Gott! A target-rich environment! :-*

Okay, I consider the challenge offered... ;)

Doug
Title: Re: Building KLS Walkure : action pictures on page 3!!!
Post by: Captain Darling on April 05, 2017, 09:26:28 AM: Your German 'vessel' with crew looks great!
Your forces gathered in mass are spectacular well done...
Title: Re: Building KLS Walkure : action pictures on page 3!!!
Post by: Malamute on April 05, 2017, 09:29:27 AM: Great stuff, some lovely aerial action going on there. ;D
Title: Re: Building KLS Walkure : action pictures on page 3!!!
Post by: Dr. The Viking on April 08, 2017, 09:14:30 AM: ALways good with another Nef build. Looking ace!
Title: Re: Building KLS Walkure : action pictures on page 3!!!
Post by: Mr. Rheydt on August 15, 2017, 09:25:08 PM: Look great!
Title: Re: Building KLS Walkure : action pictures on page 3!!!
Post by: Bullshott on August 15, 2017, 09:47:31 PM: Great work :-* :-* :-*
Title: Re: Building KLS Walkure : action pictures on page 3!!!
Post by: Supercollider on August 17, 2017, 01:19:49 AM: Magnificent conveyances! :-*

You've inspired me to dust off my own long shelved nef project.
Title: Re: Building KLS Walkure : action pictures on page 3!!!
Post by: Metternich on August 20, 2017, 11:53:30 PM: That is just marvelous ! What a fine sight to see such noble conveyances on one table !
Title: Re: Building KLS Walkure : action pictures on page 3!!!
Post by: Pijlie on August 21, 2017, 06:23:18 AM: Thanks. I am glad you enjoy them!