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Author Topic: Charlie's 15th century - The Germans are coming!!!!! (Feb 19)  (Read 36532 times)

Offline DintheDin

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Re: Charlie's 15th century - a parade of pikes!!!! (Jan 18)
« Reply #300 on: January 27, 2020, 08:34:46 AM »
A sight to behold!  :-* :-* :-*
Now and then we had a hope that if we lived and were good, God would permit us to be pirates. – Mark Twain, Life on the Mississippi

Offline Eric the Shed

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Re: Charlie's 15th century - a parade of pikes!!!! (Jan 18)
« Reply #301 on: January 27, 2020, 03:02:36 PM »
What a wonderful thread...

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Re: Charlie's 15th century - The Germans are coming!!!!! (Feb 19)
« Reply #302 on: February 20, 2020, 12:26:12 AM »
This post doesn't have that many new figures - it's all about rebasing, reorganising, new flags and the first steps into a new project.

Up until this point this project has not been set in any real historical conflict, it's just been imaginary private wars in the late 15th century. The plan always was to do that, and later be able to adapt the same collection to interesting (and obscure) wars.

Well that has now begun, as I take the first steps into taking this collection into the War of Burgundian Succession!

I plan to write lots more about this war in the days to come, as I've been doing a lot of research. I'll briefly summarise it for you though.

Charles the Bold died in 1477, and the extensive Burgundian territories all passed to his daughter Mary. Obviously everyone then wanted to marry her, and become the next Duke of Burgundy themselves. Louis XI of France wanted her to marry his son Charles (who would become Charles VIII), but Mary was having none of it. So Louis invaded instead, planning to take back all the Burgundian lands he felt were part of France (and a few over the border too!). Mary did find a husband in Maximilian of Hapsburg, the young Duke of Austria and son of the Holy Roman Emperor, who rushed to defend her inheritance from France. Though his titles made him sound very impressive, he actually had very little money or resources (his father the Emperor just left him to it). So the newly married couple had to raise armies from their ever-rebellious subjects in the Low Countries, and mercenaries who they really couldn't afford to pay.
The French were generally successful in taking territory, though Maximilian did win the one major pitched battle of the war (Guinegate in 1479). They came to a truce in 1482 and signed the Treaty of Arras, which the French came out of much better than Mary and Maximilian. However Mary died shortly afterwards, and suddenly Maximilian was struggling to keep things together - the Flemish in particular weren't his biggest fans, and they held his son Philip. Maximilian tried to rule as Philips' regent, but didn't have an easy time of it.
However the French weren't able to make the most of the situation as Louis XI died in 1483, and his son Charles came to the throne as a minor. For most of the 1480s the French regency government were concerned with events in Brittany, so Maximilian was able to busy himself combating various rebellions in Flanders, Liege and Luxembourg. Border warfare against the French did continue, and various towns and castles changed hands. Eventually the treaty of Senlis was signed in 1493 - this time Maximilian came out of it well, and regained lots of territory, because Charles VIII, now come into his majority, was more interested in invading Italy than fighting with all his neighbours. Maximilian also was now set to become Emperor with the death of his father, and the Flemish were happy to accept his son Philip as their ruler.

This is a great conflict for wargaming in my opinion. There isn't much info on it in English, so at first I was worried all there really was to it was one battle and various treaties. But now I've managed to find some French sources and got the hang of translating them with google, I'm happy to report this war is full of all sorts of small-scale actions - sieges, ambushes, raids, night attacks.... And its populated with lots of interesting characters I'm looking forward to painting up.

The 'Burgundian' armies of Mary and Maximilian are also full of potential, with room for pretty much every type of late medieval unit. Ordonnance company cavalry, Flemish militias, German, Swiss and English mercenaries..... Everything I have so far painted up for this project can be repurposed for Maximilian's armies, or indeed rebels for him to fight against.




So, first off, here's my re-organised and re-based polearm infantry. If you've been following this thread for a while, you will have seen most of these models before - but now I have FINALLY got them arranged how I like, helped with my switch to multi-basing at last. I've got them in two units, one of 40 and one of 48. Lots of these models are very old, painted years ago, but I've been merciless and just chosen the very best - I want these units to look good from every angle, so there are quite a lot of rejects which aren't being used.

These are going to represent German mercenaries fighting for Maximilian, and so I've given them flags with the Burgundian cross.





Some different angles and close ups....









I'm quite critical of the Foundry Swiss range... but this one figure is fantastic, one of my very favourites in the entire collection! The pose is just perfect.





Now, the pikemen from my last post have also been designed for this war - I now have some proper flags for them. All three pike units have the flag-bearer individually based so they can be swapped out. So I've now got enough Burgundian flags for all three units. They can all represent Germans -  the unit with all the feathers of course can be Swiss, and the two smaller units can be from the Low Countries (sometime in the future I'll do some state flags for Flanders and Brabant at least). The Swiss actually fought for both sides - they were brought in by Maximilian at first (both Germans and Swiss, which could possibly have been the same thing), but many of them switched allegience and fought for the French, which was later confirmed by a treaty. So I've also got a French flag for the Swiss unit.








Offline DintheDin

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Re: Charlie's 15th century - The Germans are coming!!!!! (Feb 19)
« Reply #303 on: February 20, 2020, 07:46:25 AM »
Apart from your excellent painting, you based your units so wonderfully! The choice of postures giving them an aggressive forward motion!
Fantastic collection! Congrats! 

Offline fred

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Re: Charlie's 15th century - The Germans are coming!!!!! (Feb 19)
« Reply #304 on: February 20, 2020, 07:51:52 AM »
Looking great, I like the close ranked nature of your troops.

The individually based standard bearers is a very good move.

Offline Stuart

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Re: Charlie's 15th century - The Germans are coming!!!!! (Feb 19)
« Reply #305 on: February 20, 2020, 08:21:37 AM »
Excellent work Charlie, I really like the idea of a seperate base for the standard bearer, that’s really neat  :)

Offline Chimpfoot

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Re: Charlie's 15th century - The Germans are coming!!!!! (Feb 19)
« Reply #306 on: February 20, 2020, 08:39:08 AM »
Not that you need any more complimentary replies...but bloody crikey!
Achieving individualism on miniatures on this scale is hard ask but it's exactly what elevates these units and gives a air of realism that could have been otherwise lacking.
First rate inspiration for the rest of us.
Thanks for sharing

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Re: Charlie's 15th century - The Germans are coming!!!!! (Feb 19)
« Reply #307 on: February 20, 2020, 09:52:14 AM »
The individually based standard bearers is a very good move.

Excellent work Charlie, I really like the idea of a seperate base for the standard bearer, that’s really neat  :)

Agreed, it's actually a bit of a stroke of genius!  8)

I wish that I had thought of it a long time ago- it would have saved me a lot of painting time!  o_o

That pike block looks beautiful Charlie  :-* :-* :-*

Offline painterman

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Re: Charlie's 15th century - The Germans are coming!!!!! (Feb 19)
« Reply #308 on: February 20, 2020, 12:17:01 PM »
Bravo!
being able to use your collection for different wars is fantastic and they really look the part - great to see a different campaign/war being covered too.
Cheers

Offline Captain Blood

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Re: Charlie's 15th century - The Germans are coming!!!!! (Feb 19)
« Reply #309 on: February 20, 2020, 02:12:47 PM »
Awesome. A winning combination of quantity as well as quality. The thought you’ve put into posing has really paid off.

Offline Breazer

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Re: Charlie's 15th century - The Germans are coming!!!!! (Feb 19)
« Reply #310 on: February 20, 2020, 07:21:11 PM »
Awesome stuff Charlie. It's indeed a very interesting time for wargaming. I'm also really curious about the unit from Brabant (thats where i'm from and I don't ive seen many people make those). Keep up the great work!

Offline HappyChappy439

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Re: Charlie's 15th century - The Germans are coming!!!!! (Feb 19)
« Reply #311 on: February 20, 2020, 07:21:51 PM »
Great work! These blocks have turned out fantastic!

Nice job on the idea to keep them faction-agnostic too!

Offline Charlie_

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Re: Charlie's 15th century - The Germans are coming!!!!! (Feb 19)
« Reply #312 on: February 21, 2020, 01:38:52 AM »
Thanks all!

Yes the posing is something that I think is really worth getting right. I think having them close-packed like this really is the way to go. I love the idea of a 'forest of polearms', which is what I'm trying to achieve.
It means you've got to put more thought into getting them to rank up right, a bit like a jigsaw puzzle.

A lot of these have been re-based TWICE in the past year - the two older pike units, most of the front ranks of polearms.... Though hacking into bases with clippers seemed tough at first, and I wasted a lot of tufts to do so, I'm glad I did. First time round, too many of the best sculpts weren't positioned right and were hiding in the second rank, and too many dodgy ones were right at the front. So second time round I made sure to get all my favourite ones in prominent positions (most noticeably the front corners) and the ones I wasn't quite sure about where they could be hidden away a bit. Also I realised I needed to avoid having too much of an obvious gap between the bases (as in open space between the models either side of the join), so I made sure to position and glue them all down unit by unit, checking the joins between bases.

I'm also really curious about the unit from Brabant (thats where i'm from and I don't ive seen many people make those). Keep up the great work!

Well from what I've read, whenever Maximilian raised an army to go campaigning in the Low Countries, Brabant seems to be the most reliable in providing him with both troops and money. In contrast to troublesome Flanders. They never rebelled against him, and off the top of my head I think they provided him with troops when he marched against the rebelling Flemish, and when he sent an army to Liege.
Brabant also has a great-looking flag - a gold lion on black! So it seems worthwhile doing one Brabant flag for my pikemen at least to mix in with the Burgundian crosses.

Offline Muzfish4

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Re: Charlie's 15th century - The Germans are coming!!!!! (Feb 19)
« Reply #313 on: March 06, 2020, 02:02:35 AM »
Wonderful thread - thanks for posting!